| --- | Log | opened Tue Feb 13 00:00:09 2007 |
| --- | Day | changed Tue Feb 13 2007 |
| 00:00 | <ajmitch> | avg of ~230ms ping time, but that's hardly unusual for me :) |
| 00:00 | <tronix> | :) |
| 00:00 | <ajmitch> | NZ is at the end of some long bits of string |
| 00:00 | <tronix> | normal day, packet loss is close to 0. when it was nasty, was 30-40% |
| 00:00 | <tronix> | now about 6ish |
| 00:00 | <tronix> | I use mtr which combines ping and traceroute and calculates a packet loss percentage |
| 00:01 | <tronix> | and let it run for long enough that it gives accurate % numbers |
| 00:01 | <ajmitch> | yes, I'm using mtr as well |
| 00:01 | <ajmitch> | and seeing 0% loss |
| 00:01 | <ajmitch> | over only 2 minutes, admittedly, but I'll leave it running |
| 00:01 | <tronix> | wonder who on these hosts caused some *hat to go nuts. ;) |
| 00:02 | <ajmitch> | probably someone being offensive on irc ;) |
| 00:02 | <tronix> | hahaha |
| 00:02 | [~] | tronix stops making whack-a-mole comments ;) |
| 00:02 | <ajmitch> | "zomg im gonna p4k3t j00!!!!" |
| 00:03 | <tronix> | hahaha |
| 00:03 | [~] | ajmitch remembers when smurf was popular a few years ago\ |
| 00:03 | <tronix> | ugh. |
| 00:03 | <ajmitch> | yeah |
| 00:03 | <tronix> | oodles o' fun. (working at a large provider) |
| 00:04 | [~] | ajmitch was in high school at the time |
| 00:04 | <ajmitch> | so yeah.. |
| 00:04 | <tronix> | didn't miss much from the provider POV. :-) |
| 00:04 | <ajmitch> | I knew a few silly people |
| 00:04 | <tronix> | hahaha can imagine |
| 00:05 | <ajmitch> | they barely understood the basics of networking, but they could run a script! |
| 00:05 | <tronix> | hahahaha |
| 00:05 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:05 | <taupehat> | lol |
| 00:05 | <taupehat> | hey |
| 00:05 | <taupehat> | it got all better! |
| 00:05 | <tronix> | for now. the current mole has been sufficiently whacked. :P |
| 00:05 | <npmr> | bedtime for asshat in orange county |
| 00:05 | <tronix> | hahaha |
| 00:06 | <tronix> | night npmr |
| 00:06 | <npmr> | no, not me |
| 00:06 | <ajmitch> | heh |
| 00:06 | <tronix> | oh ok :) |
| 00:06 | <tronix> | lights out, baybee! |
| 00:06 | <taupehat> | ahh, orange county |
| 00:07 | <taupehat> | was there recently, and was happy to be just passing through |
| 00:07 | <taupehat> | which, at 92mph, didn't take all that long :) |
| 00:07 | <tronix> | you mean the freeways were empty? ::amazed:: ;) |
| 00:07 | <npmr> | it is an earthly hell |
| 00:07 | <taupehat> | tronix: HOV lane :)_ |
| 00:08 | <tronix> | hahaha |
| 00:08 | <npmr> | hypothesis: script kiddie ddosing HE |
| 00:08 | <tronix> | npmr: that's the strange thing; I don't see the packet loss (when it's bad) |
| 00:08 | <tronix> | on the HE side. |
| 00:08 | <npmr> | evidence: lots of packets which suddenly stopped at 11 PM PST |
| 00:08 | <tronix> | hmmm. |
| 00:08 | <ajmitch> | closest I've been to orange county is SF :) |
| 00:08 | <tronix> | hahahaha |
| 00:08 | <taupehat> | err |
| 00:08 | <taupehat> | npmr: 10PST |
| 00:08 | <npmr> | is it? |
| 00:08 | <taupehat> | it's 10:08 here |
| 00:09 | <taupehat> | yes |
| 00:09 | <taupehat> | maths is hard |
| 00:09 | <npmr> | oh yeah, my laptop's set to EST |
| 00:09 | <npmr> | i forget that |
| 00:09 | <npmr> | i'm in chicago |
| 00:10 | <taupehat> | is it windy? |
| 00:10 | <npmr> | not yet |
| 00:10 | [~] | ajmitch is in a nice sunny, warm place |
| 00:10 | <npmr> | !weather 60625 |
| 00:10 | <@linbot> | npmr: Temperature: 27.9°F / -2.3°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022.2hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h; Rest of Tonight - Cloudy with a chance of flurries...then snow likely with areas of blowing snow developing in the early morning hours. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Windy. Lows in the mid 20s. Northeast winds 20 to 30 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph. Chance (2 more messages) |
| 00:10 | <npmr> | !more |
| 00:10 | <@linbot> | npmr: of snow 70 percent.; Tuesday - Snow and blowing snow. Snow may be heavy at times. Snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches. Total snow accumulations of 4 to 7 inches. Temperatures nearly steady in the middle 20s. Northeast winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts to around 40 mph.; Tuesday Night - Light snow diminishing to flurries. Areas of blowing snow. Colder with lows of 5 to 10 above. Wind chills as low as 10 below zero. (1 more message) |
| 00:11 | <ajmitch> | cold |
| 00:11 | <npmr> | !more |
| 00:11 | <@linbot> | npmr: North winds 20 to 30 mph.; |
| 00:11 | <taupehat> | a little windy |
| 00:11 | <npmr> | not as cold as last week |
| 00:11 | <taupehat> | coolish |
| 00:11 | <npmr> | lows below 0 |
| 00:11 | <npmr> | er, 'scuse me |
| 00:11 | <npmr> | highs below 0 |
| 00:11 | <taupehat> | heh |
| 00:11 | <npmr> | windchills below -20 |
| 00:12 | [~] | taupehat lived at 9200 feet for years. Cold is fine. Wind sucks. |
| 00:12 | <npmr> | i can't imagine what minnesota must have been like |
| 00:12 | <npmr> | i used to ski a lot |
| 00:12 | <npmr> | in high school i'd go every day after school for about 4 or 5 hours |
| 00:12 | [~] | ajmitch lives in a city where snow settles on the ground maybe 2 or 3 times a year in the city centre |
| 00:13 | <ajmitch> | & it's one of the colder areas in NZ |
| 00:13 | [~] | tronix seconds taupehat on wind suckage |
| 00:13 | <npmr> | i got to a point where i really loved the super cold weather |
| 00:13 | <tronix> | i wear shorts/short sleeves down to 0 but only if no wind |
| 00:13 | <@caker> | !cnn 37211 |
| 00:13 | <@linbot> | caker: The current temperature in Brentwood, TN is 45°F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Wind: CLM at 0 mph (0 km/h). |
| 00:13 | <taupehat> | heh |
| 00:13 | <taupehat> | !cnn 97520 |
| 00:13 | <@linbot> | taupehat: The current temperature in Ashland, OR is 42°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Wind: N at 3 mph (5 km/h). |
| 00:13 | <taupehat> | caker: about the same |
| 00:14 | <tronix> | !cnn 90210 |
| 00:14 | <@linbot> | tronix: The current temperature in Beverly Hills, CA is 57°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Wind: WSW at 9 mph (14 km/h). |
| 00:14 | <@caker> | only because it's raining .. it's been cold here of late |
| 00:14 | <taupehat> | !cnn Moscow, Russia |
| 00:14 | <@linbot> | taupehat: The current temperature in Moscow, Russia is 9°F. Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 92%. Wind: E at 7 mph (11 km/h). |
| 00:14 | <taupehat> | or better yet :) |
| 00:14 | <npmr> | skiing in sub-10 degree weather is a rather existential experience |
| 00:14 | <tronix> | hahaha indeed |
| 00:14 | <taupehat> | !cnn Saint Petersburg, Russia |
| 00:14 | <taupehat> | bah! |
| 00:14 | <taupehat> | !cnn Saint Leningrad, Russia |
| 00:14 | <tronix> | !cnn St. Petersburg, Russia |
| 00:15 | <tronix> | !cnn Mother Russia |
| 00:15 | <taupehat> | okay, at least it's reasonably current |
| 00:15 | <tronix> | it's geographically challenged at times. |
| 00:15 | <taupehat> | !cnn Novosibirsk, Russia |
| 00:15 | <@linbot> | taupehat: The current temperature in Novosibirsk, Russia is 14°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Wind: W at 7 mph (11 km/h). |
| 00:15 | <taupehat> | wow, warmer than I thought |
| 00:15 | <npmr> | !cnn murmansk |
| 00:15 | <npmr> | !cnn murmansk, russia |
| 00:15 | <taupehat> | that place brings to minds the mammaries of a female sorcerer |
| 00:15 | <npmr> | :< |
| 00:16 | <tronix> | taupehat: funny you mention Novosibirsk... I sent a letter to the Soviet Embassy (during the Cold War) asking for data on the USSR |
| 00:16 | <tronix> | for a school project ;) |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | !cnn Quito, Ecuador |
| 00:16 | <tronix> | they actually sent me a box full of nifty books/facts |
| 00:16 | <@linbot> | caker: The current temperature in Quito, Ecuador is 54°F. Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Wind: SSE at 0 mph (0 km/h). |
| 00:16 | <taupehat> | hehe |
| 00:16 | <tronix> | fortunately, I'd sent the request 2 months before due date |
| 00:16 | <taupehat> | tronix: I have some books like that |
| 00:16 | <tronix> | so I got it night before project was due ;) |
| 00:16 | <taupehat> | from Donetsk no less |
| 00:16 | <tronix> | ahhh nice |
| 00:16 | <taupehat> | talking about that beautiful place |
| 00:16 | <taupehat> | hahaha |
| 00:16 | <npmr> | heh |
| 00:16 | <taupehat> | it's a friggin open pit coal mine with a town around it |
| 00:16 | <tronix> | hahaha |
| 00:17 | <taupehat> | with a cloud of coal dust surrounding it by like 50 klicks |
| 00:17 | [~] | tronix coughs reflexively |
| 00:17 | [~] | taupehat was there in 1987, and it was truly horrid |
| 00:17 | <tronix> | can only imagine. |
| 00:17 | <tronix> | I like how they have 'expedited processing fees' for the visa application... |
| 00:17 | <npmr> | could the air burn if lit? |
| 00:18 | <ajmitch> | tronix: funny, I live with someone from Novosibirsk |
| 00:18 | <tronix> | "If you want it < 6 months, I suggest you include an expedited processing fee of at least $100, preferrably $200" |
| 00:18 | <taupehat> | npmr: given the amount of amazingly smelly cigarettes people smoked around there, no |
| 00:18 | <tronix> | ajmitch: wow, nice |
| 00:18 | <npmr> | ha ha |
| 00:18 | <npmr> | crummy imported tobacco |
| 00:18 | <tronix> | New Siberia sounds like an interesting place from what I've read. |
| 00:18 | <ajmitch> | I think she's going back to visit in a few months |
| 00:19 | <tronix> | that's pretty cool. |
| 00:19 | <ajmitch> | yeah, we have a fairly diverse flat in that respect :) |
| 00:19 | <ajmitch> | NZ-born people have been a minority in this household for awhile now |
| 00:20 | <tronix> | :-) |
| 00:20 | <npmr> | !cnn edmonton, ab |
| 00:20 | <npmr> | boooo |
| 00:21 | <SpaceHobo> | wasn't novosibirsk supposed to be an entirely nuclear-powered city? |
| 00:21 | <tronix> | !cnn Sydney, Australia |
| 00:21 | <@linbot> | tronix: The current temperature in Sydney, Australia is 72°F. Conditions: Partly Sunny. Humidity: 68%. Wind: ESE at 15 mph (24 km/h). |
| 00:21 | <tronix> | perfect. |
| 00:21 | <taupehat> | omg HAHAHA |
| 00:21 | <taupehat> | http://riosec.com/solaris-telnet-0-day |
| 00:21 | <tronix> | that sucked. :) |
| 00:21 | <tronix> | fortunately, my team runs 0 boxes w/telnet |
| 00:21 | <tronix> | other less enlightened teams... ahh... welll... |
| 00:21 | <tronix> | oops. |
| 00:21 | <tronix> | :) |
| 00:21 | <taupehat> | yeah |
| 00:21 | <taupehat> | well |
| 00:21 | <taupehat> | run telnet, get what comes to you |
| 00:21 | <taupehat> | crap, lagometer is in effect again |
| 00:22 | <tronix> | and how. |
| 00:22 | <tronix> | caker, still whacking moles? |
| 00:22 | <@caker> | tronix: should be better now, no? |
| 00:22 | <tronix> | nope |
| 00:22 | <tronix> | climbing to ~60 |
| 00:22 | <taupehat> | was for a while |
| 00:22 | <tronix> | (just now) |
| 00:22 | <tronix> | was better for a while, indeed |
| 00:23 | <tronix> | was. :) |
| 00:23 | <@caker> | ok, it's outgoing |
| 00:23 | <tronix> | ugh |
| 00:23 | [~] | caker shuts it down |
| 00:23 | <taupehat> | kill! |
| 00:23 | <tronix> | kneecap on sight! |
| 00:23 | <taupehat> | killall -9 |
| 00:23 | <tronix> | hahaha |
| 00:24 | <tronix> | far from it be from me to argue *that* one. ;) |
| 00:24 | [~] | tronix hmms and nukes a few extraneous words |
| 00:26 | <ajmitch> | hm, so that's why I haven't seen problems, if it's outgoing |
| 00:26 | <taupehat> | makes sense |
| 00:26 | <ajmitch> | though outgoing flooding is probably worse for caker |
| 00:26 | <ajmitch> | but easier to control |
| 00:26 | <taupehat> | yep |
| 00:35 | <tronix> | definitely would explain why I didn't see the loss on the HE side. |
| 00:36 | <tronix> | looks good at moment. |
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| 12:42 | <void0> | Hey, Does anyone know the approx amount of time it would take to resize a 18GB ext3 partition to 24GB using the LPM? |
| 12:55 | <void0> | Should a 6GB resize take over an hour to complete? |
| 12:55 | <Darxus> | what's lpm? |
| 12:56 | <tierra> | I've had a 6GB resize take 30 minutes before I think... but that stuff is very tempermental to what else is happening on the host |
| 12:56 | <tierra> | Darxus: Linode Platform Manager (the web administration) |
| 12:56 | <Darxus> | I'm surprised it can take that long when image creation is almost instant |
| 12:57 | <npmr> | image creation makes a sparse file |
| 12:57 | <void0> | Im just hoping something didnt go wrong and mess up my disk image. |
| 12:57 | <Darxus> | void0: why, you do have backups, right? :) |
| 12:58 | <npmr> | void0, what filesystem is on that image? |
| 12:58 | <void0> | I do, but spending the rest of the day restoring while my customers call to complain about the downtime is not something I wanna deal with. |
| 12:58 | <void0> | ext3 |
| 12:58 | <npmr> | i'd open a ticket |
| 12:59 | <npmr> | an hour for that is getting a little long |
| 12:59 | <void0> | 1 hour 15 minutes and rising |
| 13:06 | <@mikegrb> | 18 -> 24 is more important then the 6gb difference |
| 13:07 | [~] | mikegrb takes a look |
| 13:08 | <@mikegrb> | yah it's still running |
| 13:09 | <void0> | ok good |
| 13:09 | <void0> | wanted to make sure it wasnt messed up |
| 13:09 | <@mikegrb> | the disk image size has been increased, it's resizing the disk file system itself currently |
| 13:10 | <void0> | ok |
| 13:10 | <void0> | thanks |
| 13:16 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: host45 is a dog in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2615>; |
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| 15:27 | <npmr> | caker, mikegrb, tasaro: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtp pid 6652 killed by signal 11 |
| 15:27 | <npmr> | caker, mikegrb, tasaro: is that bad memory in the host? |
| 15:32 | <npmr> | hmmm |
| 15:32 | <npmr> | nevermind |
| 15:38 | <gpd> | If I want the same set of packages on a newly installed machine -- can I work some dpkg magick? |
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| 15:40 | <gpd> | dpkg -l |awk '{print $2}' > thisbox.txt |
| 15:40 | <gpd> | dpkg -i `cat thisbox.txt` |
| 15:41 | <gpd> | that surely can't work -- there must be dpkg-mystery --clone thisbox.txt or something |
| 15:43 | <npmr> | dpkg --get-selections |
| 15:44 | <npmr> | see also: --set-selections |
| 15:45 | <gpd> | sweet - thanks npmr |
| 15:45 | <npmr> | np |
| 15:46 | [~] | npmr has used --set-selections before in a recovery from backups |
| 15:46 | <gpd> | would you do as it suggests -- ie. run delect and choose Install? |
| 15:46 | <npmr> | (/var/lib/dpkg/status was, of course, the source data) |
| 15:46 | <gpd> | or will apt-get update just do it? |
| 15:46 | <npmr> | hmmm |
| 15:47 | <npmr> | apt-get install --reinstall, probably |
| 15:47 | <npmr> | give it a list of packages derived from $(dpkg --get-selections) |
| 15:47 | <gpd> | I am tring to migrate a machine from 64bit to 32bit as too much pain in 64 bit land |
| 15:48 | <npmr> | like say: dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall |
| 15:50 | <gpd> | dpkg --get-selections |
| 15:50 | <gpd> | apt-get update |
| 15:50 | <gpd> | # dpkg --set-selections <myselections |
| 15:50 | <gpd> | # apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 15:50 | <npmr> | hmmm |
| 15:51 | <npmr> | yeah, probably |
| 15:51 | <gpd> | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/ch-package.en.html#s-record |
| 15:52 | <npmr> | ooh, debconf-get-selections |
| 15:53 | <npmr> | that sounds like a good idea |
| 15:53 | <npmr> | it's been years since i've used dselect for anything |
| 15:53 | <npmr> | i don't remember what "dselect update" does, exactly |
| 15:54 | <npmr> | but everything else in that recipe looks good |
| 15:54 | <npmr> | is it the same as running "apt-get update"? |
| 15:54 | <gpd> | I've never heard of debconf - so that one is also a mystery |
| 15:55 | <gpd> | oh -- that is the answers to all the dpkg install questions... |
| 15:55 | <npmr> | debconf is the thing that asks you configuration questions when you install packages |
| 15:55 | <npmr> | and stores the answers |
| 15:55 | <gpd> | makes sense :D |
| 15:55 | [~] | npmr nods |
| 15:56 | <gpd> | anyone here go to SCALE over the weekend? |
| 15:56 | <npmr> | also, apt-get -u dselect-upgrade.... not familiar with that particular mode of apt-get |
| 15:57 | <npmr> | ah ha, that's way better than my pipe magic and install --reinstall |
| 15:57 | <gpd> | It seems that the set-selections just sets the state -- that dselect then acts on. dselect-upgrade is just a way of doing the dselect install in apt (which must be good) |
| 15:58 | <gpd> | Have you used Apt On CD ? |
| 15:58 | <gpd> | http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:58 | <gpd> | someone recommended that as an option |
| 15:59 | <npmr> | set-selections goes behind dselect's back and twiddles the package status directly |
| 15:59 | <npmr> | never tried that |
| 15:59 | <gpd> | looks supergui |
| 16:00 | <npmr> | yeah, looks like a sort of norton ghost-like thing |
| 16:00 | <npmr> | maybe that's what you need |
| 16:00 | [~] | npmr shrugs |
| 16:01 | <npmr> | but saving your selections from the source system, setting them on the target system |
| 16:01 | <npmr> | and then imposing those selections with dselect-upgrade |
| 16:01 | <npmr> | ... that should do it |
| 16:01 | <gpd> | I agree. On the case now -- just installing new system |
| 16:01 | <npmr> | it may involve a lot of downloading in that last step, though |
| 16:01 | <gpd> | This is good from chapter 3.4: |
| 16:01 | <gpd> | Enlightenment with these commands will save a person from the eternal karmic struggle of upgrade hell and let him reach Debian nirvana. :-) |
| 16:02 | <npmr> | ^_^ |
| 16:02 | <gpd> | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/ch-package.en.html#s-debian-package |
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| 17:40 | <HoopyCat> | g'evening |
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| 18:03 | <msmiffy> | linbot: rr |
| 18:03 | <@linbot> | msmiffy: *click* |
| 18:07 | <gpd> | wow - just discovered the mirrors.kernel.org ubuntu repository -- 6044kB/s 56s |
| 18:18 | <msmiffy> | Did you do a traceroute to see how far away it is? Like in the same rack? |
| 18:18 | <ajmitch> | ah, ubuntu |
| 18:20 | <gpd> | not easy to traceroute when they block pings :( |
| 18:21 | <msmiffy> | Ach, the ratbags! |
| 18:21 | <msmiffy> | Blockin' ICMP, 'tis unsporting! |
| 18:22 | <gpd> | agreed. |
| 18:22 | <gpd> | but at those speeds i am not complaining too much |
| 18:23 | [~] | msmiffy does perl -e "print 6044/56" ... 107.928571428571 kbps! |
| 18:23 | [~] | ajmitch wonders why msmiffy is doing a division |
| 18:24 | <ajmitch> | it's already in kBps |
| 18:24 | <gpd> | 56 seconds remaining for that apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:24 | [~] | msmiffy turns fat, bald and yellow and cries "Doh!" |
| 18:24 | <gpd> | which on us.ubuntu.com was going to take over 1.5 hours |
| 18:26 | <gpd> | npmr: that recipe worked a treat :) |
| 19:02 | <gpd> | any idea where smbpasswd stores the passwords? |
| 19:05 | <HoopyCat> | hmm, i'm pretty sure there's a file in /etc, but it's been awhile since i've used samba... |
| 19:13 | <gpd> | /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb it seems |
| 19:15 | <HoopyCat> | alright, so much for my guess. ;-) |
| 19:17 | <msmiffy> | Actually, I'd imagine that it would depend on the build/distro, so HoopyCat may still be correct... |
| 19:18 | <HoopyCat> | i'd assume ubuntu, which is debianesque and therefore would match the last system i used samba on. so i'm pretty sure i'm wrong. |
| 19:43 | <ajmitch> | depends what it's set to use for passwords as well |
| 19:44 | <ajmitch> | since there's also /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 21:12 | |-| | HoopyCat [~rtucker@bluemoon.hoopycat.com] has quit [Quit: bedtime] |
| 22:50 | <msmiffy> | linbot: rr |
| 22:50 | |-| | msmiffy kicked [#linode] linbot [BANG!] |
| 22:50 | [~] | linbot reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 22:50 | |-| | msmiffy [~smith@prospero.kbc.net.au] has joined #linode |
| 22:51 | [~] | msmiffy staggers back |
| 22:51 | <@caker> | yo |
| 22:52 | <msmiffy> | yoyo! |
| 22:58 | <ajmitch> | oy! |
| 22:59 | |-| | VS_ChanLog [~stats@ns.theshore.net] has left #linode [Rotating Logs] |
| 22:59 | |-| | VS_ChanLog [~stats@ns.theshore.net] has joined #linode |
| 22:59 | <msmiffy> | ajmitch: shouldn't that be !oy ? |
| 23:02 | <ajmitch> | linbot will probably jump on me |
| 23:02 | [~] | linbot jumps on you |
| 23:02 | <ajmitch> | heh |
| 23:04 | <@caker> | anyone here have 3ware RAID experience that could lend some insight? |
| 23:05 | <guinea-pig> | throw it on the fire |
| --- | Log | closed Wed Feb 14 00:00:12 2007 |
