| --- | Log | opened Mon Jan 29 00:00:56 2007 |
| 00:03 | <Internat> | caker: to the lish account or the linode? |
| 00:05 | <@caker> | Internat: lish |
| 00:05 | <Internat> | would have helped me a few months ago when i couldnt remember my host number |
| 00:10 | <taupehat> | hi caker |
| 00:10 | <@caker> | hello |
| 00:10 | <taupehat> | just saying hi, no anything happening |
| 00:10 | [~] | caker phews |
| 00:10 | <taupehat> | hehe |
| 00:10 | <@caker> | thanks for the easy let-down |
| 00:11 | <taupehat> | yeah, you gotta start fretting when one of the xennode testers says "hi" like that =] |
| 00:21 | <tsuyoshi_> | I only used lish once, before I installed sshd... |
| 00:22 | <@caker> | taupehat: http://host56.linode.com:8022/ <-- use at your own risk -- unencrypted |
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| 00:22 | <@caker> | (yet) |
| 00:22 | <taupehat> | heh |
| 00:22 | <taupehat> | neat |
| 00:22 | <taupehat> | let me know when it's encrypted |
| 00:25 | <taupehat> | http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i298/hdlorenz/MSFEBRUARY.jpg |
| 00:50 | <warewolf> | caker- set up a java ssh console through the website |
| 00:50 | <warewolf> | caker- too many people don't know about lish |
| 00:50 | <warewolf> | caker- if it's on the website, screaming, with "You can also connect to your server's console by sshing to <blah>." people will be more aware of it. |
| 00:51 | <@caker> | warewolf: that's the plan |
| 00:51 | <warewolf> | caker- something similar to http://xabean.com/tradewars, but beware that the applet has to come from the host you're connecting to. |
| 00:51 | <warewolf> | good :) |
| 00:52 | <warewolf> | now get working on it :P |
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| 02:42 | <fo0bar_> | caker: this week when we have some time, how bout we get finnix upgraded? |
| 02:42 | |-| | fo0bar_ changed nick to fo0bar |
| 02:47 | <@caker> | fo0bar: ok -- should be easy enough |
| 02:50 | <fo0bar> | caker: yeah, 89.0 (well, 88.0 too but it was never deployed on linode) allows you to use the same initrd as the CD... of course the kernel still has to be recompiled for you to add reboot fu/tokens |
| 02:51 | <@caker> | fo0bar: is a new kernel necessary? |
| 02:51 | <fo0bar> | hmm, what was the last one? |
| 02:51 | <@caker> | 2.6.14.2-finnix86.1-linode2 ? |
| 02:53 | <fo0bar> | oh, now I remember why |
| 02:53 | <fo0bar> | squashfs 3.0 |
| 02:53 | <@caker> | and unionfs |
| 02:54 | <fo0bar> | the image on the CD is 3.0, and while the 3.0 kernel can mount 2.1 images, the opposite is not true |
| 02:54 | <@caker> | ok |
| 02:54 | <@caker> | hook my up with some patches, yo |
| 02:57 | <fo0bar> | one sec |
| 02:57 | <fo0bar> | you want to re-patch 2.6.14, or something newer? |
| 02:57 | <fo0bar> | 2.6.18 was released with 89.0 |
| 02:57 | <@caker> | let's go with newest |
| 02:58 | <@caker> | Are there squashfs patches for 2.6.19.2 ? |
| 02:58 | <@caker> | may as well go all the way |
| 02:59 | <fo0bar> | probably, and if not, 2.6.18 patches should work |
| 02:59 | <fo0bar> | http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/squashfs/squashfs3.2-r2.tar.gz <-- latest squashfs |
| 03:00 | <fo0bar> | jeez, there still isn't a stable unionfs patch for 2.6.19 yet |
| 03:01 | <fo0bar> | 2.6.18 it is... |
| 03:01 | <fo0bar> | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.18.6.tar.bz2 |
| 03:01 | <fo0bar> | ftp://ftp.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/pub/unionfs/unionfs-1.4.tar.gz |
| 03:02 | <@caker> | noted, thanks |
| 03:02 | <fo0bar> | .6 was the last 2.6.18 release |
| 03:03 | <fo0bar> | fyi, it's easier to patch with squashfs first (since it's a real .patch), then apply unionfs, which mucks with Kconfig via a script |
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| 03:55 | <marc_in_lux> | good morning |
| 03:57 | <marc_in_lux> | I know it's very early 'over there', but in case you read this or grep it from the log, caker , please be aware my network graphs (host 56) have stopped functioning again. Couple days ago this was followed by bad connectivity. Seems ok right now, just want to raise awareness |
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| 04:26 | <encode> | http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2835/910qi9.gif |
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| 07:51 | <brc> | pipi |
| 07:51 | <brc> | oops |
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| 09:52 | <Darxus> | any of you guys remember tripwire (http://sourceforge.net/projects/tripwire/)? I was thinking there might be some creative ways to use it with linode |
| 09:55 | <SpaceHobo> | AIDE is the current tool |
| 09:55 | <SpaceHobo> | it's spammier than even logcheck |
| 09:56 | <SpaceHobo> | the way to use it would probably to be with some sort of finnix-like image that you reboot into and run to check all files |
| 09:57 | <Darxus> | yeah I was thinking along those lines... maybe set up a kernel for normal use that can't read or write the filesystem used to store the checksums |
| 10:01 | <Darxus> | although if it could be run on the host OS directly accessing the filesystem that would be nicer :) |
| 10:04 | <SpaceHobo> | guh |
| 10:04 | <SpaceHobo> | not for linode |
| 10:05 | <SpaceHobo> | honestly, best to keep like a 128MB filesystem that just has AIDE, the AIDE database, and access to the normal FS |
| 10:05 | <SpaceHobo> | but with linode you get no kernels of your own |
| 10:08 | <Darxus> | oh, duh, I can just set up my normal configuration profile to not include the image with AIDE on it at all to avoid it having write access to that image |
| 10:08 | <SpaceHobo> | yep |
| 10:08 | <SpaceHobo> | it just doesn't get the device file |
| 10:11 | <Darxus> | yup, nice |
| 10:21 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Bandwidth reporting site unreliable? in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2583>; |
| 10:24 | <Darxus> | the thing I said about getting more spam since I moved to linode was my fault, I neglected to properly set up one of my major filters |
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| 10:55 | <Darxus> | I seem to have fixed my problem with aptitude, somehow it got the impression I wanted to install a whole mess of packages, I just told it I didn't through the curses gui |
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| 12:08 | <npmr> | SpaceHobo, your mail server's acting funny |
| 12:08 | <SpaceHobo> | Oh yeah? |
| 12:08 | <SpaceHobo> | do tell |
| 12:08 | <npmr> | check your mailq |
| 12:09 | <SpaceHobo> | ah, no postgrey |
| 12:09 | <npmr> | also, mine's full of stuff for seth |
| 12:09 | <SpaceHobo> | dammit |
| 12:09 | <SpaceHobo> | whoa, no syslog |
| 12:09 | <SpaceHobo> | could I trouble you for a flush? |
| 12:10 | <npmr> | looks like since about 1:30 EDT |
| 12:10 | <npmr> | sure |
| 12:10 | <npmr> | yep, there it all goes |
| 12:11 | <npmr> | so, syslog died and brought a bunch of other stuff down too? |
| 12:12 | <SpaceHobo> | seems like |
| 12:12 | <SpaceHobo> | :< |
| 12:12 | <SpaceHobo> | and dmesg is full of fucking line_ioctl: tty0: unknown ioctl: 0x5603 |
| 12:12 | <SpaceHobo> | so I'll be fucked if I can diagnose this |
| 12:12 | <npmr> | :E |
| 12:13 | <SpaceHobo> | <caker> yeah just ignore that |
| 12:13 | <SpaceHobo> | grrrrrr |
| 12:13 | <npmr> | uml sure leaves a lot of crap in there |
| 12:13 | <npmr> | SpaceHobo, i wrote a munin io_status script |
| 12:13 | <npmr> | if you're inclined to run munin again at any point |
| 12:14 | <npmr> | not that that's in any way related to your current situation |
| 12:16 | <SpaceHobo> | heh |
| 12:16 | <SpaceHobo> | I may consider running the gatherer |
| 12:16 | <npmr> | if you like, i'll host the graphs |
| 12:16 | <SpaceHobo> | but I don't really have anyplace useful to run the plotter |
| 12:16 | <SpaceHobo> | I may take you up on that at some point |
| 12:16 | <npmr> | sure |
| 12:17 | <npmr> | i don't rightly know how the i/o load is split between munin-node and munin-update |
| 12:18 | <npmr> | munin-node does lots of forking and so there could be quite a bit of heap allocation and destruction under high memory pressure behind munin's i/o |
| 12:19 | |-| | SimplyCT [~5684911d@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode |
| 12:19 | <SimplyCT> | Hi There, is anyone from Linode There? |
| 12:19 | <npmr> | SimplyCT, the channel ops are the linode staff |
| 12:20 | <npmr> | except for linbot. linbot is a bot |
| 12:20 | <Darxus> | does anybody ever actually hit thie io_status limit? |
| 12:20 | <npmr> | yes |
| 12:20 | <SimplyCT> | Hi There, Who would i need to talk to regarding Business Proposals |
| 12:20 | <npmr> | if by "hit the limit" you mean "run out of accumulated tokens" |
| 12:21 | <npmr> | SimplyCT, caker is the man in charge |
| 12:21 | <Darxus> | I'm using io tokens at 2.4% of the refill rate... but I realize I'm not loading my linode much |
| 12:21 | <npmr> | at that rate, you'll never run out |
| 12:22 | <Darxus> | right |
| 12:22 | <npmr> | you'll need to use greater than %100 of the refill rate to start using up accumulated tokens, which happens to a lot of people |
| 12:22 | <Darxus> | I understand :) |
| 12:23 | <Darxus> | I'm curious what it takes to hit 100% of the refill rate though |
| 12:23 | <npmr> | bittorrent, when it checksums a large file at startup |
| 12:23 | <Darxus> | heh |
| 12:23 | <Darxus> | I gotta try running that on my linode sometime |
| 12:23 | <npmr> | memory exhaustion and subsequent swapping |
| 12:24 | <SimplyCT> | Is caker responsive? |
| 12:24 | <afv-13> | generally |
| 12:24 | <Darxus> | I'm tempted to add io_status stuff to my linodebw script, to email you an eta to when you'll run out of tokens whenever you're over the refill rate |
| 12:24 | <npmr> | when i want to deliberately exhaust my tokens, i usually "find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum" |
| 12:25 | <Darxus> | SimplyCT: he sleeps sometimes :) |
| 12:25 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:25 | <SimplyCT> | lol do you think he is awake now? |
| 12:25 | <Darxus> | npmr: why do you ever deliberately want to exhaust your tokens? |
| 12:25 | <npmr> | SimplyCT, if you're a customer, you can open a support ticket and he'll be paged |
| 12:25 | <afv-13> | npmr: why would you want to deliberately exhaust your tokens? |
| 12:25 | <npmr> | heh |
| 12:25 | <SimplyCT> | i am not a customer |
| 12:26 | <npmr> | SimplyCT, then i'd just wait for him here in the channel |
| 12:26 | <SimplyCT> | ok |
| 12:26 | <Darxus> | surely he has an email address :) |
| 12:26 | <npmr> | SimplyCT, there was a situation overnight a few days ago that may have screwed up his sleep schedule, so he may still be sleeping late on account of that |
| 12:27 | <npmr> | SimplyCT, he's in U.S. Central time |
| 12:27 | <SimplyCT> | ok |
| 12:27 | <Darxus> | he's in central? then why is linode all eastern? |
| 12:27 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:27 | <SimplyCT> | lol |
| 12:27 | <npmr> | as far as deliberately using all of my tokens goes, i did it a couple of times while i was working on the munin io_status script, for example |
| 12:28 | <Darxus> | ahh |
| 12:28 | <Darxus> | npmr: oh are you the one with all the nice mrtg graphs including available entropy? if so, where'd you get the entropy data? |
| 12:28 | <Darxus> | hmm,, no, guess that wasn't munin |
| 12:28 | <npmr> | Darxus, http://dorothy.movealong.org/munin/ |
| 12:29 | <npmr> | that's all stock munin graphs, plus my io_status graph |
| 12:29 | <Darxus> | nice |
| 12:29 | <afv-13> | very |
| 12:31 | <npmr> | fyi, just running munin-node and the munin-update script works out to an i/o load of 10 tokens/second |
| 12:31 | <Darxus> | ugh, get rid of the exponential notation on the io_status graphs :P |
| 12:31 | <npmr> | no |
| 12:31 | <npmr> | oh, just the notation, you mean? |
| 12:31 | <Darxus> | yes |
| 12:32 | <npmr> | if you know how, i'll do it |
| 12:32 | <Darxus> | nope |
| 12:32 | <npmr> | munin uses rrdtool to generate the graphs |
| 12:32 | <Darxus> | what's tap0? |
| 12:32 | <Darxus> | yeah I've been meaning to play with rrdtool |
| 12:32 | <warewolf> | some vpn probalyl |
| 12:33 | <SimplyCT> | has anyone seen cPanel/WHM 11 yet? |
| 12:33 | <npmr> | Darxus, tap0 is a tun/tap network device created and used by openvpn |
| 12:33 | [~] | warewolf headdesk |
| 12:33 | <warewolf> | please don't use cpanel. |
| 12:33 | <SimplyCT> | if you dont mind me asking why? |
| 12:34 | <Darxus> | npmr: so it's network traffic internal to linode? |
| 12:35 | <npmr> | Darxus, no, it's network traffic via vpn to and from a small network of Linksys WRT54G and WRT54GS devices running OpenWRT |
| 12:35 | <Darxus> | npmr: why are you running squid? |
| 12:35 | <Darxus> | ah |
| 12:35 | <npmr> | to fuck with my neighbors |
| 12:36 | <afv-13> | what's with the language lately? |
| 12:36 | <npmr> | they get on my wireless and their interwebs are all messed up |
| 12:36 | <Darxus> | heh |
| 12:37 | <npmr> | the routers on the vpn transparently proxy (or not) based on hardware mac |
| 12:38 | <npmr> | Darxus, i used to use speechio, by the way |
| 12:38 | <npmr> | that was some fun stuff |
| 12:38 | <Darxus> | cool |
| 12:38 | <Darxus> | I had fun with it |
| 12:39 | <npmr> | do you still work on voice synthesis? |
| 12:39 | <Darxus> | nah |
| 12:39 | <Darxus> | speechd was a relatively simple wrapper that supported a couple of speech synthesizers other people wrote |
| 12:41 | <npmr> | yeah, i know it was simple |
| 12:41 | <npmr> | but it made festival bearable |
| 12:41 | <npmr> | that's valuable |
| 12:41 | <Darxus> | yeah |
| 12:48 | <warewolf> | SimplyCT- I ask not to use cpanel because it promotes sysadmin lazyness, which always results in trojaned boxes. |
| 12:49 | <Darxus> | warewolf: bah, unix sysadminning is unnecessarily hard :/ |
| 12:49 | <Darxus> | the number of ways setting up a new shell account with access only by ssh key can fail without telling you what's wrong really annoys me |
| 12:50 | <Darxus> | and how hard it is just to tell postfix "send everything to this server" without opening a security hole... |
| 12:50 | <Darxus> | and chrooting bind... |
| 12:50 | <Darxus> | I can't wait till the ubuntu people get their hands on those kinds of things :P |
| 12:51 | <Darxus> | unix sysadminning has been part of my job for... seven years... and of course it's my favorite, it just gets annoying |
| 12:52 | <warewolf> | Darxus: 1) use ssh -v 2) use whatever postfix's definition of a "smarthost" is 3) um .. how hard is it to add -t to a shell script? |
| 12:53 | <Darxus> | warewolf: ssh -v tells the user "our key was rejected" and logs "failed to authenticate" when the /home/user/.ssh directory has the wrong permissions |
| 12:53 | <warewolf> | Darxus: then ramp up your sshd debugging level. |
| 12:53 | <warewolf> | Darxus: sshd -D -p 222 works extremely well for that. |
| 12:53 | <warewolf> | these are tricks of the trade |
| 12:53 | <Darxus> | 2) I was setting up my old server to relay to my new one, so it was more complicated than that |
| 12:54 | <warewolf> | you just have to learn them |
| 12:54 | <Darxus> | 3) I screwed up permissions again |
| 12:54 | <warewolf> | debugging/sysadmining is a lot of trial and error -- what rubs me the wrong way most is when people refuse to invesetigate what's wrong |
| 12:54 | <Darxus> | yes I'm sure the problems are tolerable if it's what you do all day every day and feel like memorizing the quirks, it's just unnecessary |
| 12:54 | <warewolf> | you can't be afraid to break something when it's already broke |
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| 13:45 | <Demonicpagan> | hey caker you around? |
| 13:47 | <@tasaro> | Demonicpagan: Need help? |
| 13:48 | <Demonicpagan> | i was just looking at my transfer/mo. on my account and trying to figure out what the best route for me to go would be... i just purchased 40GB worth of additional transfer and i'm still looking at being 172% above my monthly allowance |
| 13:49 | <Demonicpagan> | i don't recall what plan i currently stand at and with what i got , i want to go the most cost effective route |
| 13:49 | <@tasaro> | Demonicpagan: Let me take a look - one sec |
| 13:49 | <Demonicpagan> | ok |
| 13:52 | <@tasaro> | Demonicpagan: pm? |
| 13:53 | <Demonicpagan> | ure |
| 13:53 | <Demonicpagan> | sure |
| 14:08 | [~] | caker mentions that the bandwidth query gets cached for 10 minutes |
| 14:09 | <@caker> | !cnn 37211 |
| 14:09 | <linbot> | caker: The current temperature in Brentwood, TN is 31°F. Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 33%. Wind: SW at 8 mph (13 km/h). |
| 14:10 | <@caker> | my Dad calles me a bit ago and says "Just wanted to let you know we're on board the ship, it's 80 degrees, and there's 3 girls in string bikinis. Thought you'd like to know" |
| 14:10 | <@caker> | thanks dad. |
| 14:10 | <@mikegrb> | t/hee |
| 14:11 | <guinea-pig> | iff hee != 0 |
| 14:12 | <guinea-pig> | caker, ever find anything hostside the other day that'd be causing my unusual loadavg? |
| 14:12 | <@caker> | no |
| 14:12 | <guinea-pig> | i haven't had much opportunity to check since then |
| 14:12 | <guinea-pig> | suppose i could try a reboot |
| 14:14 | <@caker> | my guess was dns being down was causing a backlog of processes |
| 14:14 | <@caker> | but you should see that in ps/top/etc |
| 14:14 | <guinea-pig> | dns being down? |
| 14:14 | <@caker> | From a few days ago |
| 14:15 | <guinea-pig> | well, yeah. it started right when (i assume) nova came back UP |
| 14:15 | <guinea-pig> | but i'm not using your DNS |
| 14:15 | <@caker> | who's are you using them? |
| 14:16 | <@mikegrb> | the intarwebs |
| 14:16 | <Darxus> | I guess I should setup the linode DNSes as forwarders on my nameserver... not used to having that option |
| 14:16 | <guinea-pig> | localhost |
| 14:17 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: well, nothing's coming to mind -- let me know if you ever solve it please |
| 14:20 | <guinea-pig> | hmmm. |
| 14:20 | <guinea-pig> | can a process be locked in iowait, and *not* show a D status? |
| 14:21 | <guinea-pig> | i had a couple of exim processes that didn't exit when i stopped the parent |
| 14:21 | <guinea-pig> | except ... they were started today, so nevermind |
| 14:22 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: what does uptime report as your loadavg? |
| 14:22 | <guinea-pig> | it's drooped now |
| 14:22 | <@caker> | :) |
| 14:22 | <guinea-pig> | which leaves it to be one of oidentd, or udev... unless you did something |
| 14:22 | <@caker> | don't look at me! |
| 14:23 | <guinea-pig> | i'm not. i'm looking at a textual representation of your supposed words |
| 14:23 | <@caker> | don't look at my words! |
| 14:23 | <guinea-pig> | don't talk about my music! |
| 14:25 | <guinea-pig> | meh, i should reboot anyway. i hear there's been more memory added. |
| 14:26 | <iggy> | disk space was last |
| 14:26 | <Darxus> | that memory was added on january 25th? |
| 14:26 | <iggy> | if you still haven't gotten memory, you are _way_ behind |
| 14:26 | <@mikegrb> | silly iggy |
| 14:26 | <iggy> | what did I miss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 14:27 | <guinea-pig> | i'll wait until the next kernel.http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2574 |
| 14:27 | [~] | mikegrb 's linode 512 is booted with only 256 mb of ram |
| 14:27 | <@mikegrb> | runs fine, no need to reboot so far ;) |
| 14:27 | <Darxus> | iggy: 28% additional ram, january 18 http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2574 |
| 14:27 | <@caker> | iggy: everything I do, I do it for you |
| 14:28 | <iggy> | holy crap!!!! that was my birthday even |
| 14:28 | <iggy> | how did I miss that |
| 14:28 | <guinea-pig> | happy birthday! |
| 14:28 | [~] | caker preps for the hump |
| 14:28 | <Darxus> | haha |
| 14:28 | <guinea-pig> | errr, it was your birthday, were you busy with booze and womens? |
| 14:28 | [~] | mikegrb hands caker a condom |
| 14:28 | <iggy> | I'll save it for when you are least expecting it |
| 14:28 | <@caker> | iggy: oh, ok :) |
| 14:29 | <iggy> | sadly it was a thursday... but the next night, yes... sex, drugs, booze, DnB |
| 14:29 | <iggy> | not in that order |
| 14:29 | <guinea-pig> | iggy: sounds like a good birthday |
| 14:29 | <iggy> | I blacked out at ~1 |
| 14:29 | <iggy> | so yeah |
| 14:30 | <@mikegrb> | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7472502197006303244 <-- mmm |
| 14:31 | <Darxus> | heh, the memory increase was two days before I signed up |
| 14:31 | <@mikegrb> | linode needs one of those in the conference room |
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| 14:32 | <GN> | I thought this was the linode conference room. |
| 14:33 | <guinea-pig> | i love how he almost dragged his head in the beginning |
| 14:34 | <GN> | yeah that was freakin close |
| 14:35 | <@caker> | ok, I want one |
| 14:38 | [~] | iggy plans a trip to the linode offices |
| 14:38 | <iggy> | customers get to ride for free? |
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| 14:42 | <@mikegrb> | iggy: yes, duh |
| 14:42 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Question Regarding the Next Few Months in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2543>; |
| 14:45 | <guinea-pig> | caker: who came up with the linode logo? |
| 14:45 | <@tasaro> | Caker or GN is my guess... |
| 14:46 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: myself and GN |
| 14:46 | <guinea-pig> | it just occurred to me that it's been the same since day one |
| 14:46 | <guinea-pig> | GN? |
| 14:46 | <GN> | me :) |
| 14:46 | [~] | caker points |
| 14:46 | [~] | guinea-pig has no recollection of GN |
| 14:47 | <Darxus> | caker: why are you going to purge the old distros? seems like you might as well leave them available |
| 14:47 | <@caker> | Darxus: people deploy them and then get into trouble |
| 14:47 | <@tasaro> | So all the support tickets can keep coming in |
| 14:47 | <Darxus> | caker: heh okay |
| 14:48 | <guinea-pig> | if someone wants an old distro, they have to go through the work of securing it, so they need to at least know how to install it. |
| 14:48 | <@caker> | Red Hat 9 must have been marketed extremely well, because people still default to it |
| 14:48 | <guinea-pig> | is it old? |
| 14:49 | <Darxus> | redhat was a really major distro |
| 14:49 | <Darxus> | I used it for a couple years |
| 14:49 | <guinea-pig> | i think the redhat name had been marketed well in the past |
| 14:49 | [~] | linbot dispenses Firecracker Chicken Wraps |
| 14:49 | <guinea-pig> | linbot: rr |
| 14:49 | <linbot> | *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
| 14:49 | <Darxus> | caker: maybe list the release date of each image, and sort them newest to oldest? |
| 14:49 | [~] | linbot reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 14:49 | <guinea-pig> | ow, that hurt |
| 14:49 | |-| | mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker |
| 14:50 | <guinea-pig> | i'm not important enough to use real bullets? :( |
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| 14:50 | <guinea-pig> | Darxus: then nobody will install debian! |
| 14:50 | <@caker> | haha |
| 14:50 | <Darxus> | hahah |
| 14:50 | <Darxus> | I would assume nobody is installing debian now, for the same reason that my linode was my first non-debian server install in years |
| 14:50 | <guinea-pig> | actually, caker do you add security updates to images on occasion? |
| 14:51 | <@caker> | on occasion is the key word, there... |
| 14:51 | <guinea-pig> | indeed |
| 14:51 | <Darxus> | yeah it would be a good idea in the case of debian based distros to do an apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade in those images once in a while |
| 14:51 | <Darxus> | but at least they come up listening on minimal ports |
| 14:51 | <@caker> | automating that is in our dev queue |
| 14:52 | <Darxus> | nice |
| 14:52 | <guinea-pig> | i'd prefer automating a fresh image, rather than apt-get updating it |
| 14:53 | <guinea-pig> | especially for automation, when you're not around to fix the cruft |
| 14:53 | <ajmitch> | Darxus: why would noone be installing debian? |
| 14:53 | <@caker> | 15:50 < guinea-pig> Darxus: then nobody will install debian! |
| 14:53 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: because their release cycle is unacceptable, and ubuntu is debian plus a dev team which focuses on reasonable release cycles and UIs |
| 14:53 | <ajmitch> | sarge is good enough for me! :) |
| 14:54 | <ajmitch> | and how many people runngin stuff on linode care about the UI? |
| 14:54 | <@caker> | (oh, missed a line, ignore me) |
| 14:54 | <guinea-pig> | for desktops, debian has become unacceptable, i agree |
| 14:55 | <guinea-pig> | speaking of which, nice article on /. about gentoo on servers, i thought |
| 14:55 | <ajmitch> | the sarge release cycle was abysmal |
| 14:55 | <ajmitch> | etch has come together much sooner, and is close to release (pending a few issues like the kernel) |
| 14:55 | <guinea-pig> | what's wrong with the kernel? |
| 14:56 | <ajmitch> | a few bugs remaining, I don't know the details |
| 14:56 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: the time between debian's last two releases is three years, the time between ubuntu's last two releases is about six months |
| 14:56 | <ajmitch> | Darxus: I know that, I work on both :) |
| 14:56 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: ah, cool |
| 14:56 | <npmr> | my debian 3.1 desktop is running newer software than probably about 80% of the world's pcs |
| 14:56 | <ajmitch> | and I'm not going to upgrade a server ever 6 months |
| 14:56 | <ajmitch> | s/ever/every/ |
| 14:56 | <Darxus> | I'm glad to hear the rumours that debian's release cycle is improving but really, I've had enough, and I can't imagine how debian could get me to install their distro again |
| 14:57 | <guinea-pig> | Darxus: do you prefer linux over windows? |
| 14:57 | <npmr> | the time between microsoft's last two releases is about 4 years, and most users are at least a couple of releases behind |
| 14:57 | <Darxus> | guinea-pig: yes |
| 14:57 | <ajmitch> | I'll happily run a nice stable platform as a server - 2 years is not a long time really |
| 14:58 | <Darxus> | my workstation at work, and my computer at home, run linux almost exclusively |
| 14:58 | <guinea-pig> | are the reasons somewhat philosophical? |
| 14:58 | [~] | guinea-pig hopes that's the word he's looking for |
| 14:58 | <Darxus> | (I still haven't gotten around to setting up the one at home to output to the second monitor so I actually rebooted to windows last night) |
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| 14:59 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: when a distro is dependant on a third party backporting major software like MTAs... that's broken |
| 14:59 | <guinea-pig> | what i mean, do you run linux because it has the software you're looking for, or because you believe in certain attitudes and movements behind it? |
| 14:59 | <ajmitch> | ubuntu is great for many tasks, but I'd be wary of putting edgy on a server, for example |
| 15:02 | <Darxus> | guinea-pig: linux pisses me off less |
| 15:03 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: yeah I'll be sticking to the Ubuntu LTS releases on my server, probably switching to them a couple months after each release |
| 15:04 | <ajmitch> | & you'll still have the problem of 18 months or more between LTS releases |
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| 15:05 | <Darxus> | better than three years, and I still have no actual evidence to cause me to believe debian will improve |
| 15:05 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: how much does ubuntu developement get fed back into debian? |
| 15:05 | <ajmitch> | as much as people are willing to take |
| 15:06 | <Darxus> | I.. know that much :) |
| 15:06 | <ajmitch> | patches are given back, if maintainers will take them |
| 15:06 | <ajmitch> | there are some teams that work on both ubuntu & debian for certain areas |
| 15:06 | <Darxus> | so the patches are actually submitted to debian? that's cool |
| 15:06 | <Darxus> | good |
| 15:06 | <ajmitch> | not as well as they should be, but they are there |
| 15:07 | <guinea-pig> | i've been through a few debian release cycles now, and i hear the same stuff every time, a few months before release, about how old it is... and then everybody loves them after they release |
| 15:08 | <Darxus> | yup I was a debian fanatic for... say 10 years maybe? could be a couple less, hard to say |
| 15:08 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: in what ways would you say debian is more worth using than ubuntu? |
| 15:09 | <guinea-pig> | however, i gave up on trying to become a package maintainer years ago. i forget why... i love packaging |
| 15:09 | <guinea-pig> | things have changed so much since then, though |
| 15:10 | <ajmitch> | Darxus: more time spent on release, over a wider range of packages |
| 15:10 | <ajmitch> | maintaining universe is a 'best effort' from a small group of people |
| 15:11 | <Darxus> | guinea-pig: because it's impossible to become a debian package maintainer because they're incapable of managing the help that's offered? |
| 15:11 | <guinea-pig> | Darxus: it used to be easier, then there was an explosion of maintainers |
| 15:11 | <warewolf> | Gentoo: -O99 rice burner activated |
| 15:11 | <guinea-pig> | and i don't mean the bloody type |
| 15:11 | <warewolf> | Debian: Would you like some elitism with your fries? |
| 15:11 | [~] | ajmitch looks for the fire extinguisher |
| 15:11 | <guinea-pig> | warewolf: i'm too good for fries |
| 15:11 | <warewolf> | Slackware: package manager? you mean make install? |
| 15:11 | <warewolf> | RedHat: Use our rpms or /else/ |
| 15:12 | <npmr> | yeah, that mock-slogan should really say "stable, secure, state-of-the-art: pick two" |
| 15:12 | <warewolf> | Ubuntu: Debian for Dummies |
| 15:12 | <Darxus> | heh |
| 15:12 | <warewolf> | SUSE: German .. novell .. eh, what the heck. |
| 15:12 | <Darxus> | yeah, it continues to fascinate me how ubuntu stuff just works |
| 15:13 | <Darxus> | like... one time I clicked a couple things and the resolution changed, without restarting anything |
| 15:13 | <guinea-pig> | one thing i miss in ubuntu |
| 15:13 | <Darxus> | and I double click on a file and video plays... and I don't even know the application I'm running, it just works |
| 15:13 | <guinea-pig> | is alt+ctrl+(-/+) |
| 15:13 | <warewolf> | Darxus: horrey sheet! A front-end to xrandr! |
| 15:13 | <guinea-pig> | resolution changing |
| 15:13 | <warewolf> | guinea-pig: that was handy with CRTs, not so much with LCDs now |
| 15:14 | <guinea-pig> | i don't own an LCD |
| 15:14 | <Darxus> | and I pulled the sd card out of my camera and stuck it in my reader... I hoped maybe ubuntu had enough magic in it to make it easy for me to mount the card, instead it popped up a window saying "you inserted a camera memory card, would you like to down the images" and it WORKED |
| 15:14 | <guinea-pig> | don't make assumptions |
| 15:14 | <guinea-pig> | i like to fullscreen my youtube experience! |
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| 16:51 | <encode> | bye kurt |
| 16:54 | <Darxus> | what was kurt? |
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| 17:08 | <encode> | kurt was autokilled |
| 17:09 | <warewolf> | probally spamming or something. |
| 17:09 | <warewolf> | I wouldn't worry about it. He was not killed without reason. |
| 17:10 | [~] | caker tries some python |
| 17:11 | <warewolf> | ew, whitespace dependant language |
| 17:11 | <warewolf> | ew ew ew |
| 17:12 | <@caker> | it is? See, I didn't even know that! |
| 17:12 | <warewolf> | yeah indentation matters :( |
| 17:12 | <SpaceHobo> | it's a fantastic testament to the language that it has become so successful despite this |
| 17:12 | [~] | caker shoves everything in globals() |
| 17:21 | <encode> | hooray for globals() |
| 17:22 | <encode> | warewolf: im not worried about it - im more amused by it |
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| 18:15 | <Demonicpagan> | tasaro, you around? |
| 18:37 | <@tasaro> | Demonicpagan: Yes |
| 18:38 | <Demonicpagan> | when i restart my linode after the migration, aside from updating my network information, i should have any errors arise, should i? |
| 18:38 | <@tasaro> | Demonicpagan: No, what are you seeing? |
| 18:39 | <Demonicpagan> | things like: /bin/sh: line 6: /usr/local/sbin/courierlogger: No such file or directory |
| 18:39 | <Demonicpagan> | INIT: cannot execute "/command/svscanboot" |
| 18:39 | <Demonicpagan> | and something else, i just can't seem to catch cuz it just scrolls to fast for me to see in lish |
| 18:42 | <@caker> | /command/ as a path? I'd say sytax error in your inittab for one |
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| 18:45 | <npmr> | caker, no way man, that's the djb way |
| 18:46 | <Demonicpagan> | trying to find what i have executing that command is a different story |
| 18:51 | <@caker> | npmr: huh... neat |
| 18:51 | <@caker> | daemontools |
| 18:52 | <@caker> | is /package /service /command a bsd-ism, or daemontools-ism? |
| 18:52 | <tsuyoshi_> | the djb way =^( |
| 18:52 | <ajmitch> | djb is different |
| 18:52 | <@caker> | Installation |
| 18:52 | <@caker> | Create a /package directory: |
| 18:52 | <@caker> | mkdir -p /package |
| 18:52 | <@caker> | ^-- daemontools .. |
| 18:53 | <@caker> | weirdness |
| 18:53 | <tsuyoshi_> | djb decided that the way distros were putting everything in different directories was annoying |
| 18:54 | <tsuyoshi_> | so he came up with his own way |
| 18:54 | <fo0bar> | god I love debian's /etc/network/intererfaces |
| 18:55 | <fo0bar> | http://www.pastebin.ca/332479 <-- with that, doing "ifup br500" creates a bridge interface, sets its UP to 1.2.3.91, creates a VLAN subinterface on eth0, then adds it to the bridge |
| 18:59 | <guinea-pig> | fo0bar: you mean other distros don't have that? |
| 18:59 | <guinea-pig> | that's just .... weird |
| 19:01 | <guinea-pig> | Demonicpagan: are you familiar with screen? lish is a screen session. ^A-? for help. ^A-[ to enter copy mode... lets you scroll back nicely. just hit escape to quite out of copy mode |
| 19:01 | <fo0bar> | guinea-pig: I would think that there are few instances where you would need a bridge on top of a vlan |
| 19:01 | <guinea-pig> | fo0bar: i meant network/interfaces |
| 19:02 | <fo0bar> | guinea-pig: RH-based distros have interface-specific files in /etc/sysconfig/network-interfaces/ |
| 19:02 | <fo0bar> | but same concept |
| 19:02 | <guinea-pig> | ok question |
| 19:02 | <guinea-pig> | what's the point of a sysconfig dir in a dir already specified as a system config dir? :P |
| 19:03 | <guinea-pig> | df -h |
| 19:03 | <guinea-pig> | oops |
| 19:03 | <@caker> | DENIED |
| 19:03 | <fo0bar> | I think the idea is you can trust that everything in /etc/sysconfig can be sourced, where you can't be sure of that with any arbitrary file in /etc |
| 19:03 | <fo0bar> | same thing with debian's /etc/default/ |
| 19:04 | <guinea-pig> | hmm. |
| 19:04 | <guinea-pig> | it almost looks as if linode plans have just about doubled, after all the various upgrades over the years |
| 19:05 | <fo0bar> | http://www.theshore.net/pricing.cfm <-- the specs have gone up a bit since "the beginning" :) |
| 19:06 | <guinea-pig> | in the beginning.... there was no setup fee, iirc |
| 19:07 | <fo0bar> | oh wait, that's shared hosting |
| 19:07 | <@tasaro> | heh |
| 19:07 | <fo0bar> | I thought there was a "pre-linode" VPS pricing page somewhere on theshore |
| 19:07 | <guinea-pig> | heh |
| 19:08 | <@tasaro> | I'm pretty sure the pricing hasn't changed |
| 19:08 | <guinea-pig> | http://web.archive.org/web/20030711171623/http://linode.com/products/linodes.cfm |
| 19:09 | <@tasaro> | Scroll down to "Current Specials" |
| 19:09 | <@tasaro> | Grand Opening Special - No setup fees through the end of July! |
| 19:10 | <guinea-pig> | tasaro: that's when i signed up |
| 19:10 | [~] | ajmitch wouldn't mind hosting with maybe 2GB RAM, unlimited bandwidth, etc :) |
| 19:11 | <guinea-pig> | for the same plan name, cost/2, disk*2... otherwise mostly the same. |
| 19:11 | <npmr> | caker, i wouldn't call it "neat", myself |
| 19:12 | <Demonicpagan> | guinea-pig, that would be ctrl+A for ^A, lost on the ^A... not familiar w/ screen at all |
| 19:12 | <Demonicpagan> | ? |
| 19:12 | <guinea-pig> | heh, sorry. yes. ^ is ctrl |
| 19:12 | <guinea-pig> | Demonicpagan: everyone should be familiar with screen. play around. |
| 19:13 | <Demonicpagan> | would it be odd it tell me that there is no other window? |
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| 19:16 | <@mikegrb> | http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/NEWS01/701290322/1077/COL02 <-- guinea-pig |
| 19:21 | <Demonicpagan> | hmmm, ctrl+A isn't working for me |
| 19:32 | <Demonicpagan> | got it figured out... now to look at some history |
| 19:46 | <Demonicpagan> | my courier imap got botched on the migration :-\ |
| 19:51 | <Demonicpagan> | time to rebuild a box :) |
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| 19:55 | <squinky> | wheee, yet another irssi window |
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| 20:49 | <@caker> | https://www.linode.com/dev/console/ <-- stress test? (this time, it's secure) |
| 20:50 | <fo0bar> | fourohfour? |
| 20:51 | <@caker> | fo0bar: trailing slash? |
| 20:52 | <fo0bar> | odd, gnome-terminal's "open link" isn't adding that extra slash |
| 20:52 | <@caker> | this thing hammers apache |
| 20:53 | <fo0bar> | heh |
| 20:55 | <fo0bar> | hmm, it stopped responding |
| 20:55 | <fo0bar> | there we go |
| 20:56 | <fo0bar> | rather slow though |
| 20:56 | <@caker> | I'd love to push this out into the browser, but applets are often painful |
| 20:56 | <@caker> | Yeah .. it's a lot faster without apache (for SSL) |
| 20:56 | <@mikegrb> | and they eat your first born |
| 20:56 | <@caker> | it has a built in webserver |
| 20:57 | <fo0bar> | *shrug* mindterm isn't totally horrible IMHO |
| 20:57 | [~] | squinky punches fo0bar |
| 20:58 | [~] | fo0bar punches squinky |
| 20:58 | <squinky> | :< |
| 20:58 | <squinky> | whyfore |
| 20:59 | <fo0bar> | because I love you |
| 21:00 | <fo0bar> | of course, you'd have to have a webserver on each host because javur's security doodad will only let you connect to the host the applet came from |
| 21:02 | |-| | meat [~erik@meathook.dasbistro.com] has joined #linode |
| 21:03 | <squinky> | actually there's supposedly a proper fosswotzit javur ess essaitch |
| 21:17 | |-| | meat [~erik@meathook.dasbistro.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
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| 21:19 | <tierra> | caker: that console test seems to think my linode has run into a |
| 21:19 | <tierra> | kernel panic, or oom |
| 21:19 | <tierra> | oh, maybe it did |
| 21:20 | <@caker> | yup |
| 21:21 | <tierra> | guess I don't check my console often... it's filled with oom |
| 21:21 | <tierra> | heh |
| 21:21 | <tierra> | which is actually odd since I haven't had any memory problems in a long time, and I'm sitting fine right now |
| 21:21 | <warewolf> | caker- port fowarding to the host internally on www? |
| 21:22 | <tierra> | Mem: 195912k total, 176604k used, 19308k free, 30012k buffers |
| 21:22 | <tierra> | Swap: 263160k total, 0k used, 263160k free, 47692k cached |
| 21:22 | <tierra> | hmmm |
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| 21:22 | <@caker> | warewolf: no, it runs unprivileged on www and connects via ssh |
| 21:22 | <warewolf> | erm. |
| 21:23 | <warewolf> | I thought java applets couldn't connect to hosts _other_ than the webserver they were served from? |
| 21:23 | <@caker> | and sucks up precious apache threads and spams logs .. but hey, that's why they're there.. |
| 21:24 | <@caker> | This is all AJAX - server side keepalive connection stuff |
| 21:24 | <warewolf> | oh so you are forwarding it on the webserver |
| 21:24 | <warewolf> | uh, interesting. |
| 21:24 | <warewolf> | no java |
| 21:25 | <iggy> | good thing too, I don't have java on konqueror |
| 21:25 | <iggy> | which it works in btw |
| 21:25 | <iggy> | just for reference |
| 21:26 | <warewolf> | caker- slick. I like it. |
| 21:26 | <Internat-afk> | sorry i came in late, if u dont mind me asking what are we discussing? the irc app or something else? |
| 21:27 | <@caker> | Internat-afk: https://www.linode.com/dev/console/ |
| 21:27 | <iggy> | does it use comet or just polling? |
| 21:29 | <@caker> | no clue - my guess would be it polls |
| 21:31 | <Internat-afk> | thats uber! |
| 21:38 | <fo0bar> | Internat-afk: there is also an IRC proxy to lish. just /msg me your username, password and host, and I'll get you set up |
| 21:39 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 21:39 | <Internat-afk> | awsome |
| 21:39 | <Internat-afk> | its internat mystupidpassword and umm im on nova |
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| 21:50 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Outage: host58 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2591>; |
| 21:56 | <Battousai> | that must be the box with ajaxterm |
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| 22:31 | <iggy> | yeah, I went a little boot crazy... hope it's not making things even worse |
| 22:47 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: I think my Linux died - Please Help! in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2589>; |
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| 23:24 | <iggy> | any news? |
| 23:25 | <@caker> | resync -- it's going to take a while (22% completed) |
| 23:25 | <iggy> | rgr |
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| 23:39 | <iggy> | caker: once the host gets back to working state is everything going to correct itself? I accidentally submitted a few extra jobs before I saw that something was wrong |
| 23:40 | <@caker> | iggy: yes |
| 23:40 | <@caker> | (33%) |
| 23:40 | <iggy> | <--- sleep.... just wanted to make sure I didn't need to do anything special in the morn |
| --- | Log | closed Tue Jan 30 00:00:41 2007 |
