TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2007:01:26

---	Log	opened Fri Jan 26 00:00:39 2007
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01:08	<caker>	foo
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01:19	<caker>	No one issue jobs via LISH, or shutdown
01:19	<caker>	nova1 died
01:19	<caker>	moving the drives now...
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01:53	<jayyers>	im looking for a program for windows to help diagnose why my computer keeps freezing randomly, to do extensive test on ram,cpu ect anyone have any suggestions?\
01:57	<jayyers>	anyone?
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02:03	<jayyers>	does anyone know of any programs to extensively test different components of the computer for stability, i have a computer that keeps freezing and cant figure out why
02:06	<jayyers>	please help anyone
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02:32	<andrew_j_w>	is linode.com down for anyone else?
02:32	<andrew_j_w>	I get a timeout when trying to access it
02:35	<@mikegrb>	yes, it's being worked on
02:40	<andrew_j_w>	ok, thanks :-)
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05:27	<guinea-pig>	awww, where'd linbot go?
05:29	<@mikegrb>	he's sleeping while his hard drives are oved around
05:30	<guinea-pig>	ah
05:30	<guinea-pig>	i like sleeping.
05:30	<guinea-pig>	and my hard drives need moving (aka dreaming)
05:30	<guinea-pig>	oh my. i'm a bit... stupid. never mention ones own hard drives in such a sence.
05:31	[~]	guinea-pig .... shuts up.
05:31	<guinea-pig>	heh, it's so cold in my bedroom, my cpu fan is running at 50%... while compiling.
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07:40	<brc>	how cold
07:40	<brc>	how many celsius ?
07:53	<SpaceHobo>	COUNT THE CELCIUS, GUINEA-PIG
07:53	<SpaceHobo>	ONE CELCIU, TWO CELCIUS...
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08:25	<brc>	pipi
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09:26	<devside_net>	Does anyone know whats going on with the linode nameservers? Can resolve and ping ns1.linode.com, but it will not longer answer?
09:29	<npmr>	try ns1.theshore.net
09:30	<npmr>	oh, there really is an ns1.linode.com
09:30	<npmr>	i can ping it
09:30	<npmr>	have you run traceroute?
09:30	<devside_net>	All my domains will no longer resolve.
09:30	<npmr>	have you run traceroute?
09:31	<devside_net>	dig @ns1.linode.com devside.net
09:31	<devside_net>	;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
09:32	<npmr>	[inkblot@dorothy:~][inkblot@dorothy:~]$ host -t any devside.net
09:32	<npmr>	devside.net NS ns1.linode.com
09:32	<npmr>	devside.net NS ns2.linode.com
09:32	<devside_net>	I can access my account and login via IP, I can get the first VH, via IP, but domains will not resolve locally, or on the server.
09:32	<npmr>	like i asked before.... twice....
09:32	<npmr>	have you run traceroute?
09:33	<npmr>	oh, my mistake
09:33	<npmr>	i was reading a "not" into your initial statement about pinging
09:33	<devside_net>	Ok, traceroute will not work either.
09:34	<npmr>	to the name server?
09:34	<devside_net>	Like I said, ns1.linode is not answering for any domains under my account. Nor is ns2.linode.com
09:34	<npmr>	caker, mikegrb, tasaro: ns1.linode.com and ns2.linode.com don't seem to be responding
09:35	<devside_net>	dig @ns2.devside.net +trace ..it stops at linode
09:36	<devside_net>	whops... dig@ns2.linode.com devside.net +trace
09:37	<devside_net>	Let me try again... dig devside.net +trace
09:38	<devside_net>	;; Received 498 bytes from 128.8.10.90#53(D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 89 ms
09:38	<devside_net>	devside.net. 172800 IN NS ns1.linode.com.
09:38	<devside_net>	devside.net. 172800 IN NS ns2.linode.com.
09:38	<GN>	i problems with mine early this morning, but it seems to have cleared up
09:38	<GN>	*i had
09:38	<devside_net>	;; Received 107 bytes from 192.52.178.30#53(K.GTLD-SERVERS.net) in 188 m
09:38	<devside_net>	;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
09:39	<npmr>	GN, is it still cleared up for you?
09:39	<Kurt>	devside_net: are you a series of tubes?
09:40	<devside_net>	traceroute ns1.linode.com is working fine.
09:40	<GN>	npmr running some tests now
09:43	<@mikegrb>	should be better in a minute
09:44	<@mikegrb>	devside_net: try now?
09:45	<devside_net>	dig @ns1.linode.com devside.net
09:45	<devside_net>	;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
09:46	<devside_net>	The +trace is working though.
09:46	<devside_net>	Ok. Working now.
09:47	<devside_net>	So what happened with the nameserver?
09:48	<@mikegrb>	when linode.com went down it freaked out
09:48	<@mikegrb>	so we will have to look into fixing that
09:50	<devside_net>	Was this specific to my host, or something random?
10:04	<Darxus>	do people often say they get significantly more spam after moving to linode?
10:04	<npmr>	i sure don't
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10:09	<devside_net>	Does anyone know if its possible to enter a wildcard dns record under linode dns?
10:13	<Darxus>	I don't even remember how to do that with bind, I stopped when it occurred to me that people could link to my web page via things along the lines of http://devside_net.sucks.devside.net
10:14	<GN>	Darxus: good call
10:18	<npmr>	c
10:18	<npmr>	:]
10:19	<devside_net>	I was thinking more of an NS record... '* IN NS host.domain', but it would be the same for an A.
10:20	<devside_net>	...for bind. Not sure about the rest. They all handle them differently.
10:21	<devside_net>	That way, linode can take care of the main host(s).domain(s), and the rest go to a local dns server.
10:23	<devside_net>	Ofcource the local dns server would not have any wildcard records. It would be handling dynamic dns.
10:23	<devside_net>	So no one would be able to do that 'sucks' example.
10:25	<devside_net>	Well, you could have one wildcard A pointing to 127.0.0.1, just in case someone does want mess with you.
10:27	<npmr>	mikegrb, ping
10:43	<Darxus>	grr my bandwidth script had a division by zero error and I lost what line it was on :(
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10:53	<Darxus>	ah.. there was a problem with linode... that would've caused the xml to not respond?
10:57	<Kurt>	Darxus: are you a series of tubes?
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11:03	<Darxus>	hmm, I contain a lot of them but I think it's a poor definition of what I am... I think "ugly bag of mostly water" fits much better
11:04	<Kurt>	THINGS THAT REALLY PISS ME OFF #23432432: Misspelling "lying" as "lieing".
11:04	<Kurt>	THINGS THAT REALLY PISS ME OFF #23432433: Misspelling "ridiculous" as "rediculous".
11:05	<SpaceHobo>	there is no 'a' in "definitely", no 'x' in "espresso"
11:05	<Kurt>	yup
11:05	<tierra>	that's rediculous, you're deinately lieing
11:05	<devside_net>	I think that's a line from an onl star trek episode.
11:05	<Kurt>	and then there's "should of" when "should have" is correct
11:05	<SpaceHobo>	also "shoe in"
11:06	<Kurt>	yeah, that's actually "shoo-in"
11:06	<SpaceHobo>	I also hate the "if * would have , would have *"
11:06	<SpaceHobo>	which should be "if * had , would have *"
11:07	<Kurt>	plus, there's using the plural form of a verb to refer to a singular collective noun
11:07	<Kurt>	like saying "the team are" when actually "the team is" is correct
11:07	<SpaceHobo>	that's regional
11:07	<SpaceHobo>	collective nouns are plural in commonwealth parlance
11:07	<SpaceHobo>	that's in the BBC style guide even
11:08	<SpaceHobo>	I find myself doing it nowadays
11:08	<Kurt>	yeah, the Brits fuck it up
11:09	<SpaceHobo>	that's one where I'm willing to say that they created the language so they get to stick to that one
11:09	<SpaceHobo>	but I won't forgive them bad Latin
11:09	<SpaceHobo>	like "aluminium"
11:10	<SpaceHobo>	which is only that way here because someone said "HEY WAITAMINUTE ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS END IN -IUM!!!!"
11:11	<SpaceHobo>	and bad French
11:11	<SpaceHobo>	they pronounce "fête" as though it were "fate"
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11:11	<SpaceHobo>	when the accent clearly makes it "fett"
11:11	<SpaceHobo>	as in Boba
11:12	<Kurt>	SpaceHobo: the logical conclusion of treating collective nouns as plurals is that all nouns should be treated as plurals
11:12	<Kurt>	because if you treat "team" as a plural because it's made up of several components (the members)
11:12	<SpaceHobo>	Kurt: the difference is consciousness
11:13	<Kurt>	then "member" or "person" should be a plural since it's made up of several components (arms, legs, feet, a pancreas, etc.)
11:13	<Kurt>	and, in fact, everything else other than the fundamental particles should be considered plural
11:13	<SpaceHobo>	I like it because in the US you have the reverse fallacy: that a corporation is legally a person
11:14	<tierra>	English is a second (or third) language for more than 50% of the people I work with online, I have a high tolerance for errors. If stuff like this bothers you, you're an uptight prick that thinks everyone should know how to speak _your_ language perfectly.
11:14	<SpaceHobo>	tierra: likewise, and the ESL co-workers are often better at mechanics than the native-born
11:15	<SpaceHobo>	because they actually stopped to think about the language instead of deciding not to learn any more past age 7
11:15	<SpaceHobo>	the only reason I'm any good at English is because I spent a lot of time learning French when I was young
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11:17	<tierra>	I like how while both of you are talking about this, neither of you can form complete sentances, or use punctuation. :)
11:17	<SpaceHobo>	"sentences"
11:18	<SpaceHobo>	and that's because IRC isn't structured like written speech
11:18	<tierra>	It could be.
11:18	<SpaceHobo>	it's structured more like spoken conversation, which tends to be more open-ended with sentence structure
11:19	<tierra>	We could all be sitting here drinking tea, and conversing about the jolly good weather. :)
11:20	<SpaceHobo>	I'm sorry, what was the point of that statement?
11:20	<tierra>	Relax, you're looking for something to argue against, and I'm just having some fun.
11:21	<SpaceHobo>	So it was meant to be funny?
11:22	<tierra>	I don't use emoticons often, except to make my connotations clear where they wouldn't be otherwise. So yes, that's what the smiley face meant.
11:22	<SpaceHobo>	Yeah, that's what I though.
11:22	<SpaceHobo>	thought
11:22	<SpaceHobo>	I'm still looking for the funny.
11:27	<tierra>	It was a play on Kurt's animosity towards the 'Brits'.
11:33	<SpaceHobo>	Okay, but I'm still waiting for the funny.
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11:45	<londonguy>	Just want to thank Linode for the extra RAM, once again! That's twice I've had a RAM upgrade :)
11:46	<londonguy>	still interested, guys, in news about the 3rd datacentre
11:47	<@tasaro>	londonguy: It's in the works ;)
11:47	<londonguy>	that's what I hear
11:47	<londonguy>	I've been thinking about getting a 2nd linode for a while
11:47	<londonguy>	and the site diversity, along with closer proximity to London, is quite exciting
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12:25	<fo0bar>	23:19 < caker> nova1 died
12:25	<fo0bar>	06:33 -!- linbot [~supybot@ns.theshore.net] has joined #linode
12:25	<fo0bar>	ouch
12:30	<npmr>	hurg
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12:38	<devside_net>	ns1.linode.com and ns2.linode.com are not answering, again.
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12:50	<tierra>	I'm seeing the same
13:00	<devside_net>	I think the linode ns servers have not been answering for hours at a time. Who knows for how long. I'm setting up my own local dns right now.
13:00	<tierra>	tasaro: ping
13:00	<devside_net>	They might as well start pulling the plugs on the servers, if you cant host domains.
13:01	<tierra>	devside_net: the DNS service is in fact in beta, you should expect some hangups
13:01	<devside_net>	Beta dns? I though Linode was established?
13:01	<tierra>	it is, but the DNS service is in beta
13:02	<devside_net>	So how has Linode been hosting domains?
13:02	<devside_net>	without dns?
13:02	<tierra>	years
13:02	<tierra>	I've run my own DNS server on my Linode for the first 2 years I had it
13:02	<devside_net>	That just does not make sense to me. What hosting provider does not provide DNS?
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13:03	<tierra>	http://www.linode.com/forums/index.php <- note the DNS Manager forum is under the "Beta Forums"
13:03	<tierra>	devside_net: a lot
13:03	<devside_net>	Is Linode something comming out of a garage?
13:03	<devside_net>	Seriously guys, thats just crazy saying our dns is beta or non existant.
13:04	<tierra>	haha, not at all, Linode has been well established for some time
13:04	<devside_net>	not without dns.
13:04	<kvandivo>	linode isn't in the dns business. they are in the virtual server business
13:04	[~]	tierra notes that he's a customer, not an employee
13:04	<devside_net>	DNS is a part of any VPS, or hosting, business.
13:05	<kvandivo>	if they happen to provide a dns, that's something that they didn't say they were going to do.. they are just doing it because they think it will be helpful and maybe pull in new customers in the future
13:05	<devside_net>	Helpful, are you kidding me?
13:05	<kvandivo>	no
13:05	<tierra>	having a VPS usually entails that you know how to run your own DNS services, the DNS Manager is a value-added service (that's still in beta)
13:05	<devside_net>	Its a necessity.
13:05	<devside_net>	I must be dreaming.
13:06	<tierra>	it's not necessity
13:06	<devside_net>	1991 says hello.
13:06	<tierra>	like I said before, I was running my own DNS server before the DNS Manager was added
13:06	<tierra>	on my Linode
13:06	<kvandivo>	i just use zoneedit
13:06	<kvandivo>	it's done what i've needed
13:06	<devside_net>	Good for you, and so will I, at least a backup, now that I know.
13:07	<tierra>	and yes, there are lots of free DNS hosting services out there
13:07	<devside_net>	I need a real DNS server, not some fling by night, 1second ping, dynamic dns service.
13:07	<kvandivo>	Do I need a domain name for my Linode?
13:07	<kvandivo>	No, not at all.
13:07	<kvandivo>	We have set up default DNS entries for all our IPs. It follows the scheme "li-X.members.linode.com", where X is the last number of your IP address.
13:07	<Rifkin>	Given that there are so many ways to handle DNS (I'm using the service provided by my registrar Namecheap), why would I even want to use Linode DNS?
13:07	<kvandivo>	You are more than welcome to run your own DNS servers, or outsource this service to another provider.
13:08	<devside_net>	Hold on....
13:08	[~]	npmr runs his own dns servers
13:08	<devside_net>	Are you also ging to tell me that Linode IPs are dynamic?
13:08	<npmr>	no they aren't
13:09	<devside_net>	This is insane,
13:10	[~]	Battousai notes linode is an UNmanaged service
13:10	<npmr>	many web hosts will either try to, or insist that, they host everything for you
13:10	<npmr>	linode is not a web host
13:10	<tierra>	Maybe a VPS isn't the right kind of hosting for you, maybe you were looking for DreamHost or something?
13:10	<SpaceHobo>	run your own DNS, dude
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13:11	<devside_net>	DNS is too much to much to ask? If it is with linode I'll be gone fast. I'm not really sure why some of you thing DNS is optional.
13:11	<SpaceHobo>	WE RUN OUR OWN DNS
13:11	<npmr>	it's optional because linode does not host web sites
13:12	<devside_net>	Good for you, your pings will be 5 times higher.
13:12	<npmr>	linode hosts servers not web sites
13:12	<devside_net>	5x+
13:12	<SpaceHobo>	devside_net: what?
13:12	<Battousai>	DNS has nothing to do with ICMP echo
13:12	<SpaceHobo>	yeah, weird
13:12	<devside_net>	The resopnse time.
13:12	<SpaceHobo>	um
13:12	<npmr>	devside_net, show me proof
13:12	<SpaceHobo>	I'll have localhost cache of DNS queries
13:12	<Battousai>	so anyway
13:13	<tierra>	same response time using ns1.linode.com as if you ran your own DNS server _on_ your linode
13:13	<SpaceHobo>	but yeah, ICMP echo doesn't even use DNS
13:13	<SpaceHobo>	it's all by IP
13:13	<devside_net>	I have run my own dns before, and the hosts. A host's DNS Servers are much better.
13:13	<Battousai>	since linode is an unmanaged service, and advertised as such, they are under no obligation to manage your own DNS for you
13:13	<devside_net>	No one is asking to manage DNS.
13:13	<npmr>	yeah, you are
13:13	<Battousai>	that's exactly what you seem to be asking for
13:14	<npmr>	we're all talking about authoritative servers, right?
13:14	<devside_net>	Its an automated system.
13:14	<Battousai>	what?
13:14	<GN>	devside_net : godaddy has a DNS service you can use
13:14	<devside_net>	Just give me access, and a dns server.
13:14	<npmr>	no one here is getting confused between authoritative dns servers and resolving dns servers?
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13:15	<SpaceHobo>	I was under the impression that devside_net was talking about resolvers
13:15	<npmr>	devside_net, yes, someone else's dns server.... therefore: manager
13:15	<npmr>	managed
13:15	<GN>	zoneedit.com is another free one
13:16	<SpaceHobo>	GN: those are authoritative DNS services
13:16	<npmr>	SpaceHobo, i suspect he's confused
13:16	<SpaceHobo>	devside_net: are you talking about authoritative nameservice, or recursive resolution?
13:16	<devside_net>	I was confused on the point that Linode does not provide solid DNS servers, when I signed up. Nothing more.
13:16	<tierra>	SpaceHobo: this conversation came about because of Linode name servers being down, I thought we were all talking about authoritative servers
13:16	<GN>	me too tierra
13:17	<devside_net>	And now everyone is saying its beta at best.
13:17	<SpaceHobo>	devside_net: authoritative or resolvers?
13:17	<devside_net>	authoritive
13:17	<SpaceHobo>	Ah
13:17	<Battousai>	the authoritative is indeed beta
13:17	<SpaceHobo>	yeah
13:17	<npmr>	yeah, that's beta, and yeah, you're asking for managed dns
13:17	<SpaceHobo>	okay
13:17	<devside_net>	I'm asking to resolve a domain name.
13:17	<devside_net>	Thats not much.
13:17	<npmr>	no you're not
13:17	<tierra>	devside_net: nothing says anything about providing name servers when purchasing a Linode.
13:18	<npmr>	you're asking for linode to host your domain so that others may resolve it
13:18	<npmr>	that different from you resolving names
13:18	<SpaceHobo>	this is why I thought he was talking about resolvers
13:18	<SpaceHobo>	okay
13:18	<SpaceHobo>	devside_net: so where is your offsite secondary nameserver?
13:19	<SpaceHobo>	is it really that unreliable that you can't stand your primary going down?
13:19	<npmr>	[inkblot@dorothy:~][inkblot@dorothy:~]$ ns devside.net
13:19	<npmr>	devside.net NS ns2.linode.com
13:19	<npmr>	devside.net NS ns1.linode.com
13:19	<SpaceHobo>	oh dear.
13:20	<devside_net>	oh dear for linode. Trust me, put up a sign on the front page saying "dns might work sometimes,ot might not -- sign up with zoneedit" and its going to hit you hard.
13:20	[~]	npmr really wants to know what's in devside_net's /etc/resolv.conf
13:20	<SpaceHobo>	at least they're on different networks...
13:21	<SpaceHobo>	and in different states
13:21	<SpaceHobo>	linode++
13:21	<tierra>	technically speaking, ns1.linode.com and ns2.linode.com are in 2 different datacenters, and ns2 should be a good enough secondary (again, hopefully we are talking about authoritative)
13:21	<SpaceHobo>	most of those regisrar managed dns services have nameservers on the same goddamn subnet
13:21	<SpaceHobo>	yeah
13:21	<Xel>	I love zoneedit
13:21	<Xel>	Heh heh
13:21	<tierra>	SpaceHobo: very true, lots of free ones do
13:22	<Xel>	Free, good backup
13:22	<Xel>	And they give you like three different secondaries
13:22	<SpaceHobo>	okay, I'm beginning to understand what's going on then
13:22	<npmr>	SpaceHobo, what's odd is that ns1 and ns2 seem to be going down at the same time
13:23	<npmr>	i don't get that part
13:23	<Battousai>	is it database driven?
13:23	<npmr>	but hey.... It's Beta.
13:23	<npmr>	no, zone files
13:23	<Battousai>	weird
13:23	<SpaceHobo>	it also seems that they only do master service
13:23	<Xel>	For now
13:23	<SpaceHobo>	yeah
13:23	<SpaceHobo>	it looks like it's all very new
13:24	<Xel>	... It is.
13:24	<npmr>	about two months, tops
13:24	<SpaceHobo>	I didn't even know it was there
13:24	<Xel>	Linode doesn't really do managed services - the DNS manager is a special treat
13:24	<Xel>	But it isn't that hard to run bind9.
13:24	<npmr>	or use zoneedit
13:24	<SpaceHobo>	so when I look at the DNS Manager
13:24	<tierra>	they do only do master right now, slave zones are aparently planned, and yes it's all new, and yes, it's all still in beta
13:24	<SpaceHobo>	I see nothing that indicates the service is beta
13:24	<Battousai>	or nsd or whatever authoritative server
13:25	<Battousai>	there's plenty of them, most small enough to run on a linode
13:25	<Xel>	I run bind9 on my linode.
13:25	<Xel>	No resource issues
13:25	<SpaceHobo>	so the service is kind of silently beta, and nameservers in two DCs a thousand miles apart seem unable to provide records
13:26	<Xel>	Space, don't complain - use ZoneEdit.
13:26	<SpaceHobo>	what?
13:26	<SpaceHobo>	why the hell would I do that?
13:26	<SpaceHobo>	I'm running bind9
13:27	<devside_net>	I would not either
13:27	<SpaceHobo>	and I have a secondary in LA and a tertiary in Canada
13:27	<Xel>	For secondary name servers
13:27	<GN>	I just use godaddy's, it's pretty slick
13:27	<tierra>	both name servers answer, so they're both up, this is probably just a glitch in the zone update system
13:27	<Xel>	zoneedit is great for secondaries.
13:27	<devside_net>	dig @ns1.linode.com devside.net
13:27	<devside_net>	;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
13:27	<SpaceHobo>	yeah
13:27	<SpaceHobo>	that's not cool
13:28	<tierra>	which would explain why both ns1 and ns2 aren't aren't resolving domains
13:28	<SpaceHobo>	I think the service needs to be better labeled as beta
13:28	<Xel>	ns1 is up (pingable), just isn't responding to DNS queries
13:28	<tierra>	SpaceHobo: that may be true, but it's not like it's advertised when purchasing a Linode
13:28	<devside_net>	Might as well start pulling the plugs. Its assumed.
13:28	<@caker>	yawn - what's up with dns?
13:29	<tierra>	no-one signs up with Linode _expecting_ DNS hosting (unless you're devside_net aparently)
13:29	<npmr>	caker, ns1 and ns2.linode.com not responding
13:29	<Xel>	caker, they aren't responding to DNS queries.
13:29	<devside_net>	VPS -- NO DNS
13:29	<GN>	good morning caker :)
13:29	<devside_net>	at LINODE
13:29	<@caker>	at the same time?
13:29	<Battousai>	it needs a beta sticker
13:29	<GN>	yep
13:29	[~]	caker scratches head
13:29	<Xel>	devside_net, if you can't handle your own DNS, you shouldn't be running a server...
13:29	<Battousai>	as xel pointed out, they both reply to pings
13:30	<devside_net>	How about also labling your IPs as static, so no one get confused.
13:30	<Battousai>	uh
13:30	<tierra>	they are static
13:30	<npmr>	everyone: raise your hand if you're confused
13:30	<devside_net>	YOU CAN PING, but they do not answer queries.
13:30	[~]	npmr waits quietly
13:30	[~]	Battousai raises his hand
13:30	<Battousai>	where are they labeled as dynamic?
13:31	<SpaceHobo>	\o
13:31	<Xel>	devside_net, have you been drinking by any chance?
13:31	<SpaceHobo>	Xel: that's not a helpful response
13:31	<Battousai>	easy now
13:31	<devside_net>	I'm just saying, if the DNS is beta for a VPS, might as well tell clients the IPs are static so they do not think they are dynamic.
13:32	<GN>	don't mind xel, he's the antagonist
13:32	<Xel>	Space, I'm not trying to be helpful in this instance.
13:32	<Battousai>	i'm not entirely sure how those two are related
13:32	<npmr>	i think that's a candidate for bash.org
13:32	<Xel>	Space, in situations where logic fails, alcohol is often (though not always) involved.
13:32	<devside_net>	IF a VPS has no dns service, I might also think they are not providing dynamic ips. Since this is all very crazy.
13:32	<SpaceHobo>	when I joined this conversation, devside_net seemed to be making arguments for why running your own bind was a bad idea. I disagree with that, but devside_net is relying on a linode service that has gone down for him. This isn't something to jump on him for
13:32	<Xel>	npmr, I love bash.org :)
13:33	<Xel>	Space, no, he is implying that a VPS is required to run a DNS by some industry standard
13:33	<devside_net>	I never said that. I assumed Linode has solid authoritive NS. They do not.
13:33	<Battousai>	they don't, it's beta
13:33	<Battousai>	we've established that
13:33	<devside_net>	And everyone her is now saying, get lost, go get zoneedit.
13:33	<Xel>	Well...
13:33	<GN>	no their not
13:33	<Battousai>	the ideal solution would be to manage your own primary dns server and get some free backup
13:33	<npmr>	devside_net, zoneedit is very popular among linode customers
13:34	<GN>	their saying use a different free dns solution
13:34	<GN>	*they're
13:34	<Xel>	ZoneEdit is great for SECONDARY. I still think that you should run your own stable primary.
13:34	<@caker>	hmm ... looks like nagios (which we're running on the same Linodes as the ns servers) caused the nodes to OOM
13:34	<devside_net>	I know what zonedit is. But with everone else that I have used, I had solid DNS support.
13:34	<SpaceHobo>	ouch
13:35	<Battousai>	must be nova1's fault
13:35	<@caker>	guess I'll be moving that of
13:35	<devside_net>	I assumed too much.
13:35	<lucca>	I run my own primary, and have a wealthy friend with globally distributed colo boxes run the secondaries.
13:35	<Battousai>	let some of us in on that action
13:35	<lucca>	heh
13:35	<Xel>	lucca, don't lie.
13:35	<SpaceHobo>	I'd appreciate it if everyone could stop being so aggro about this
13:36	<Battousai>	sorry
13:36	<SpaceHobo>	on both sides
13:36	<GN>	xel always get's em fired up :)
13:36	<Xel>	GN, they were plenty fired up when I got here
13:36	<GN>	heh
13:37	<devside_net>	In the mean time, is anyone working to get ns1/ns2.linode back up again?
13:37	<SpaceHobo>	devside_net may have made some easily disputed claims about DNS, but he relied on a service that went down. This does not make him a fool for relying on the service, and he has a right to be anxious about its return
13:37	<SpaceHobo>	devside_net: caker is.
13:37	<SpaceHobo>	devside_net: he's freeing up resources
13:37	<devside_net>	hay, is just that all my domains are down. no big deal.
13:37	<GN>	it is a big deal
13:38	<Battousai>	mikegrb: go stick a beta on every one of those pages please
13:38	<GN>	like google :)
13:38	<Battousai>	google is beta?
13:39	<Xel>	devside_net, ok. Well now that you know that this is a beta service, do you plan to find another solution for secondary DNS servers?
13:39	<tierra>	nameservers are back up btw
13:39	<GN>	devside_net : did you register your domain with godaddy?
13:39	<devside_net>	Yes.
13:39	<tierra>	yes to who's question?
13:39	<GN>	I can help you set up your dns through there if you want
13:39	<devside_net>	My domains re with godaddy.
13:40	<GN>	It's easy
13:40	<darkbeholder>	yeah, i run my dns through godaddy
13:40	<npmr>	all evidence to the contrary
13:41	<npmr>	er, pardon
13:41	<npmr>	misread nicks
13:42	<SpaceHobo>	haha
13:42	<SpaceHobo>	you need nickcolor.pl
13:43	<darkbeholder>	it happens
13:43	<devside_net>	I'm going to point my domains to ns1/ns2.dynside.net as a 3rd and 4th ns. Or should I do ns1.linode.com as 1st, ns1.dynside.net as 2nd, etc...
13:44	<SpaceHobo>	I'd go with linode as 1 and 2, and put the dynside guys later
13:44	<npmr>	it's not like backup mail servers, the order doesn't really matter to clients
13:44	<SpaceHobo>	since the linode nameservers will be updated simultaneously
13:44	<SpaceHobo>	that's true too
13:44	<npmr>	the only real distinction is from an administrative point of view
13:44	<@caker>	everything looking better now?
13:44	<npmr>	there is one primary server, the rest are secondaries
13:44	<tierra>	caker: for me, yeah (I'm using ns1 and ns2
13:45	<SpaceHobo>	npmr: well one is master, the rest are slaves
13:45	<devside_net>	Ther are answering, but the RR are missing.
13:45	<@caker>	devside_net: example?
13:45	<npmr>	devside.net A record currently not present at ns2.linode.com
13:46	<GN>	http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=devside.net
13:46	<devside_net>	dig @ns1.linode.com devside.net
13:46	<devside_net>	Then all I get are the root servers.
13:47	<devside_net>	The records are set under my account, and have been since the start. The domains were working.
13:48	<kvandivo>	thanks for the mention of nickcolor SH
13:48	<tierra>	I think that's a configuration error on your part... here's one of my domains hosted on ns1 and ns2 @ linode: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=wxwiki.org
13:48	<SpaceHobo>	kvandivo: :D
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13:50	[~]	tierra uses nickcolor.pl and nicklist.pl among 5 or 6 others :)
13:50	<devside_net>	That could be a result of something else, the other domain, dynside.net is now resolving.
13:50	<kvandivo>	hmm.. i'll try nicklist, but not convinced i'll like it
13:51	<kvandivo>	trackbar is my gem of a script that i'll throw out there
13:51	<tierra>	depends on how you configure it
13:51	<devside_net>	How ofter can I expect for linode DNS to fail? 50% of the time, once a week for 8 hours, etc...?
13:51	<@caker>	devside_net: none.
13:52	<Battousai>	just one thing about the setup you were talking about, devside_net...
13:52	<devside_net>	The other users have stated linode DNS is beta at best and I should go get a zoneedit account. I'm just trying to get to the botom of this. Today its been down for what, 2-8 hours?
13:52	<Battousai>	if you add NS records there and nsX.linode.com goes down again, resolvers won't know where to find those if they aren't cached
13:53	<Battousai>	ns records from dynside.net, that is
13:53	<GN>	devside_net: use godaddy
13:53	<devside_net>	NS record from godaddy, to ns1.dynside.net
13:53	<devside_net>	with ns1.lidone and friends.
13:53	<Battousai>	ok
13:54	<devside_net>	Can a zone file have different TTLs for different RRs?
13:57	<devside_net>	.
13:58	<GN>	RR = each entry?
13:59	<GN>	Yes
13:59	<devside_net>	isent each entry called a resource record? Or at least the CNAME, A, etc part?
13:59	<GN>	yes it is
14:00	<GN>	and I think you can
14:00	<npmr>	yes, each record can have a different ttl
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14:04	<devside_net>	Hmm, I'm still having a problem with devside.net zone under linode...
14:05	<devside_net>	zone devside.net/IN: loaded serial 2007012615 OK
14:05	<npmr>	it looks like the nameservers have not loaded any zones
14:05	<devside_net>	dynside.net is ggod, but not devside.net
14:05	<devside_net>	Same account, same ns.
14:07	<devside_net>	The ony thing I did was add an extra ns server to the zone, which I removed afterwards.
14:07	<GN>	was that the wildcard one you were going to try?
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14:08	<devside_net>	No. Just a ns1.dynside.net.
14:09	<Nigel_>	wow, when did ev1 and The Planet merge?
14:09	<devside_net>	rackshack -> ev1 -> servermatrix/theplanet
14:10	<kvandivo>	may 8th
14:10	<Xel>	Yea woh
14:10	<Xel>	I used to have a rackshack server
14:10	<devside_net>	Linode system will not accept a
14:11	<devside_net>	* wildcard, so its can be done.
14:11	<Nigel_>	kvandivo: honestly?
14:11	<Nigel_>	wow
14:11	<devside_net>	can not be done.
14:11	<kvandivo>	would i lie?
14:11	<devside_net>	Lat time I used IRC in was 1997.
14:11	<Xel>	So wait... ThePlanet Linode servers are just RackShack servers with UML installed?
14:12	<Xel>	Or are they Linode hardware colo'd?
14:12	<Nigel_>	Xel: linode are colo'd
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14:12	<GN>	linode hardware
14:12	<devside_net>	Everytime I type something, it comes out all wrong.
14:12	<Nigel>	i just kinda freaked out when i went to the ev1 site, and got redirected to TP
14:13	<GN>	are you sure there isn't a typo in your dns settings ;)
14:13	<@caker>	devside_net: what's your Linode username, please?
14:13	<devside_net>	agmichel
14:22	<devside_net>	the dig trace is going around in circles
14:26	<@caker>	found the bug, one sec
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14:34	<@caker>	should be working now
14:35	<GN>	caker: what was the bug?
14:35	<@caker>	an incorrect time setting one one server was preventing the query that builds the zones from retrieving that zone
14:35	<Battousai>	gremlins, got it
14:35	<GN>	solar flares you say?
14:35	<guinea-pig>	caker: i'm assuming this is related to nova1 given the time it started... but i'm showing a false loadavg on my linode. user=aaron, host64.
14:35	<GN>	hehe
14:35	[~]	guinea-pig just woke up
14:36	<guinea-pig>	http://parsed.net/stats/mrtg/load.html
14:36	<guinea-pig>	wonder if there's a zombie or somesuch. don't see anything inside my node
14:36	<devside_net>	So far I have setup an extra ns1/ns2.dynside.net, in addition to ns1/ns2.linode.com under registrar for devside.net, and am running bind with the proper zone data.
14:37	<@caker>	guinea-pig: um.. (cmon brain) ...
14:37	[~]	caker poofs
14:37	[~]	guinea-pig hugs caker
14:37	<Battousai>	wow, i read that wrong
14:37	<GN>	you thought it was a pig hug too?
14:38	<Battousai>	no, i thought caker was heading to the toilet
14:38	<GN>	eww
14:38	<devside_net>	ns1.linode.com is now returning an A for devside.net.
14:38	<@caker>	guinea-pig: the usual suspects? ps aux \| grep -c [RS] ?
14:39	<guinea-pig>	errr 68?
14:40	<guinea-pig>	do you mean grep -v perhaps
14:40	<@caker>	I don't know at this point :)
14:40	<guinea-pig>	because i already did that :P
14:40	<guinea-pig>	and yeah, everything's running R or S
14:40	<guinea-pig>	anyway, i've gotta find grub, shower, and head to work in an hour
14:44	<devside_net>	Just for the record, I do appreciate the prompt response by the person(s) that have been working on these DNS issues, some other places would have just ignored the problem.
14:46	<@caker>	devside_net: you're welcome -- sorry for the hassle
14:47	<@caker>	I've made a note to harden the zone generation against incorrect timestamps
14:50	<npmr>	what was the OOM thing all about?
14:51	<devside_net>	Has the other 'no-answer from NS' problem been tracked down, that has happened twice today?
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15:12	<Kurt>	tierra: I don't expect people to speak my language perfectly
15:12	<Kurt>	but whatever language you choose, yes, you should be able to speak it perfectly
15:13	<tierra>	I don't know anyone who can speak their native language perfectly...
15:14	<tierra>	It's not an exact science either.
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15:59	<linbot>	New news from forums: Summary Page for Offline Use in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2585>;
16:05	<linbot>	New news from forums: Timezones for Network and CPU graphs in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2586>;
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16:11	<marc_in_lux>	evening...
16:11	<marc_in_lux>	is there a traffic issue on host56?
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16:11	<marc_in_lux>	I've noticed sluggish transfers over the last hours, and just checking the network graph notice that nothing seems to be recorded any more...
16:15	<marc_in_lux>	ping... ?
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16:33	<marc_in_lux>	could somebody please confirm that I am being read?
16:33	<cmantito>	you are
16:34	<marc_in_lux>	puh :-) thanks
16:34	<cmantito>	you're lucky, I rarely look this way :P
16:34	<marc_in_lux>	so, am I the only one who apparently has network trouble?
16:34	<marc_in_lux>	:-)
16:35	<cmantito>	I'm not host56. sorry =P
16:35	<marc_in_lux>	aha
16:35	[~]	cmantito shows his passport --- seee? I'm from host52 ^^'
16:35	<marc_in_lux>	thought it might've been the datacenter...
16:35	<cmantito>	it has been a wee bit slow, but I just assume that's my shitty ISP being shit again
16:35	<marc_in_lux>	or just me somehow botching up something
16:36	<marc_in_lux>	noticed from two places...
16:36	<marc_in_lux>	downloading into one net this afternoon, trying to upload from another net now.
16:37	<cmantito>	my ping times to 56 are almost 4-5 times higher than to 52
16:37	<cmantito>	[kevin@mirwin ~][kevin@mirwin ~]$ ping host.kevinsnet.com
16:37	<cmantito>	PING host52.linode.com (70.85.129.13): 56 data bytes
16:37	<cmantito>	64 bytes from 70.85.129.13: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=59.735 ms
16:37	<cmantito>	versus:
16:37	<cmantito>	[kevin@mirwin ~][kevin@mirwin ~]$ ping host56.linode.com
16:37	<cmantito>	PING host56.linode.com (66.220.1.12): 56 data bytes
16:37	<cmantito>	64 bytes from 66.220.1.12: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=270.293 ms
16:37	<cmantito>	and they're both persistant in those ranges
16:37	<marc_in_lux>	aha
16:37	<marc_in_lux>	thanks
16:37	<cmantito>	no problem
16:38	<cmantito>	although
16:38	<cmantito>	hmmm
16:39	<cmantito>	nope, they're both TP if the site's still right
16:39	<@caker>	56 is HE, 52 is TP
16:39	<cmantito>	your site needs updating then
16:39	<@caker>	looking at mtr, this is an upstream HE issue
16:39	<cmantito>	and my ping comparison, it's not a fair comparison
16:40	<marc_in_lux>	caker, so it's known and being taken care of? Thanks
16:40	<cmantito>	"Host servers host1 through host8, and host27 and up are located at ThePlanet's Dallas" ;)
16:40	<@caker>	marc_in_lux: I would assume so. Give it sme time
16:41	<cmantito>	</nitpick>
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16:42	<marc_in_lux>	sure, no problem. Just wanted to enquire...
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16:53	<npmr>	route from sbc in chicago to theplanet is intermittently crappy
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17:39	<Kurt>	Tom Brady used to be the power forward for the Dallas Mavericks, but he got traded to the Kansas City Royals for Wayne Gretzky...
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