| --- | Log | opened Wed Jan 24 00:00:00 2007 |
| --- | Day | changed Wed Jan 24 2007 |
| 00:00 | <taupehat_> | ah, really? |
| 00:00 | <taupehat_> | that doesn't make sense! |
| 00:00 | <@caker> | ajmitch: migrating to an HE host? |
| 00:00 | <taupehat_> | it's 10pm here |
| 00:00 | <ajmitch> | yep, UTC+13 at the moment |
| 00:00 | <npmr> | is it so not 10 pm in ohio |
| 00:00 | <Eman> | 1am here :/ |
| 00:00 | <ajmitch> | caker: I guess, if there's nothing free in TP |
| 00:00 | <Eman> | here being detroit area |
| 00:00 | <npmr> | Eman, me too |
| 00:01 | <taupehat_> | ajmitch: hah |
| 00:01 | <taupehat_> | okay |
| 00:01 | <taupehat_> | you're +13, I'm -8 |
| 00:01 | <taupehat_> | it must be the 24th for you then? |
| 00:01 | <ajmitch> | yep :) |
| 00:01 | <@caker> | ajmitch: mind opening a ticket? |
| 00:02 | <ajmitch> | caker: sure, one sec |
| 00:02 | <taupehat_> | still, the time-of-day offset is a lot less than I expected it would be |
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| 00:02 | <ajmitch> | given that I'm 21 hours ahead of you.. |
| 00:02 | <taupehat_> | hehe |
| 00:02 | <ajmitch> | during (southern) winter it's 19 |
| 00:02 | <taupehat_> | but really, you're not longitudinally that far from me |
| 00:03 | <taupehat_> | which is why I figured you were in Hawaii |
| 00:03 | <@caker> | ugh? |
| 00:03 | <taupehat_> | ugh? |
| 00:03 | <npmr> | >:E |
| 00:03 | <taupehat_> | heh |
| 00:03 | <ajmitch> | caker: 24129 |
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| 00:03 | [~] | ajmitch wonders who has the email address registered for the account |
| 00:04 | <taupehat> | heh |
| 00:04 | <ajmitch> | I've just been delegated to handle all the sysadmin tasks :) |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | down again? |
| 00:04 | <@tasaro> | no |
| 00:04 | <@tasaro> | that was his ticket :P |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | No, it is |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | from my end, anyway |
| 00:04 | <ajmitch> | oh dear |
| 00:04 | <npmr> | indeed it is |
| 00:04 | <ajmitch> | what a pain |
| 00:05 | <@caker> | OK, TP left the console connected -- hopefully something useful |
| 00:05 | <ajmitch> | that could make migration a bit dicy :) |
| 00:05 | <npmr> | ajmitch, the data on host39 wouldn't be corrupted by an interrupted migration off of that host |
| 00:06 | <npmr> | they'd have to start over again, of course |
| 00:06 | <ajmitch> | no, but I'd hate to think what these repeated failures are doing to the filesystem |
| 00:06 | <npmr> | i imagine the host filesystems are static enough |
| 00:06 | <ajmitch> | one hopes so |
| 00:08 | <npmr> | heh |
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| 00:08 | <npmr> | i can track host39 downtime by my mail queue |
| 00:08 | <taupehat> | hmm |
| 00:09 | <taupehat> | this should prove entertaining |
| 00:09 | <taupehat> | I'm doing a hot-upgrade of my suse 10.1 box to .2 |
| 00:09 | <taupehat> | all via yast |
| 00:09 | <taupehat> | anyone want to place bets on the outcome? |
| 00:09 | [~] | npmr seen it |
| 00:09 | <npmr> | i did that with redhat using inferior technology in 1999 |
| 00:10 | <npmr> | went from 6.2 to 7.0 using up2date |
| 00:10 | <npmr> | it's messy |
| 00:10 | <taupehat> | heh |
| 00:10 | <ajmitch> | taupehat: if it was debian, there'd be no bet needed :) |
| 00:10 | <taupehat> | ajmitch: agreed |
| 00:10 | <taupehat> | unfortunately, suse continues to wipe the walls with debian where desktop usability is concerned |
| 00:10 | <ajmitch> | for desktop stuff, I use ubuntu |
| 00:10 | [~] | taupehat runs debian on anything not requiring x11 |
| 00:11 | [~] | ajmitch is only slightly biased, being a debian & ubuntu developer |
| 00:11 | <npmr> | upgrading from redhat 7.0 to debian 2.2 by way of installing connectiva linux's rpm-packaged apt and dpkg.... |
| 00:11 | <npmr> | now that was interesting |
| 00:11 | <taupehat> | I've tried ubuntu again recently (well, kubuntu), and it's still getting there |
| 00:11 | [~] | sol loves kubuntu |
| 00:11 | <taupehat> | yeah |
| 00:11 | <taupehat> | kubuntu does some things a LOT better than suse |
| 00:12 | <taupehat> | like support on this latitude |
| 00:12 | <Eman> | <- another kubuntu user |
| 00:12 | <taupehat> | actual suspend and volume keys |
| 00:12 | [~] | ajmitch tends to only ever run the development branch of ubuntu or debian on his systems |
| 00:12 | <taupehat> | hehe |
| 00:12 | <taupehat> | look at all the kubuntu users! |
| 00:12 | <npmr> | debian uber alles |
| 00:12 | <fake> | w00t i got to 60% this time |
| 00:12 | <npmr> | (with working suspend and volume buttons) |
| 00:12 | <taupehat> | ajmitch: any chance ubuntu will switch to KDE and make gubuntu the red-headed stepchild as it so greatly deserves to be? |
| 00:13 | <sol> | 2 out of 3 of my computers run kubuntu most of the time ;) |
| 00:13 | <Eman> | taupehat: i wish they would, gnome is irritating |
| 00:13 | <taupehat> | linus was correct when he tore gnome to pieces |
| 00:13 | <taupehat> | imho |
| 00:14 | <Eman> | lets remove features like screensaver properties because they are confusing! |
| 00:14 | <taupehat> | ajmitch: that chardonnay I just polished off is from your hemisphere |
| 00:14 | <taupehat> | that big island to your west |
| 00:14 | <taupehat> | good stuff |
| 00:15 | <ajmitch> | ah, nz has better stuff than that cheap aussie plonk |
| 00:15 | <npmr> | (what big island west of detroit?) |
| 00:15 | <taupehat> | does it indeed? |
| 00:15 | <taupehat> | recommend any brands? |
| 00:15 | <ajmitch> | not off the top of my head :) |
| 00:16 | <ajmitch> | actually australia does have some good wines, but there are a number of good ones from marlborough or central otago in NZ |
| 00:16 | <taupehat> | I'll keep an eye out for them |
| 00:17 | <npmr> | i think i need to go to bed |
| 00:17 | <npmr> | losing... focus... |
| 00:17 | <taupehat> | night |
| 00:17 | <npmr> | later |
| 00:18 | <ajmitch> | night npmr |
| 00:23 | <@caker> | TP is taking their sweet time... |
| 00:23 | <ajmitch> | joy |
| 00:24 | <ajmitch> | probably had to wake someone up :) |
| 00:24 | <taupehat> | heh |
| 00:24 | <taupehat> | I got some great spam from a host at TP yesterday |
| 00:36 | <taupehat> | heh |
| 00:36 | <taupehat> | 4.05 GB for the update |
| 00:36 | <taupehat> | took me 25 minutes just to wade through dependencies |
| 00:36 | <ajmitch> | yay, host39 is back (in a sense) |
| 00:37 | <@caker> | "nothing on monitor" |
| 00:37 | <@caker> | pfft. |
| 00:37 | <ajmitch> | in that I can ping it, but not the linode |
| 00:37 | <taupehat> | ask him if he plugged the monitor into the serial port ;) |
| 00:37 | <ajmitch> | still no info as to why it died? |
| 00:37 | <@caker> | It seems we need to go into BIOS and exit out (w/o saving) to get it to recognize the 3ware card |
| 00:37 | <ajmitch> | ugh |
| 00:38 | <@caker> | so either a PCI slot problem or something with the 9550SX card ... |
| 00:39 | <@caker> | hmm |
| 00:54 | <@caker> | ajmitch: ticket updated |
| 00:54 | [~] | ajmitch checks |
| 00:54 | <ajmitch> | that's a long migration time |
| 00:55 | <@caker> | with 18G, yeah |
| 00:56 | <ajmitch> | /dev/ubda 13G 3.8G 9.3G 29% / |
| 00:56 | <ajmitch> | looks like I can shrink things a bit there |
| 00:57 | <ajmitch> | ok, I've got the nod to migrate :) |
| 00:58 | <ajmitch> | how risky is resizing? |
| 00:58 | <@caker> | as safe as ext2resize |
| 00:58 | [~] | ajmitch has done that on a mounted filesystem on LVM before.. |
| 00:59 | <ajmitch> | so I may as well :) |
| 01:00 | <ajmitch> | actually I won't risk it with host39 acting flaky today |
| 01:01 | <ajmitch> | so I should just be able to migrate now? |
| 01:03 | <@caker> | ajmitch: yes -- relogin? |
| 01:04 | <ajmitch> | aha, point |
| 01:04 | <ajmitch> | thanks, starting now |
| 01:09 | <sol> | this time i'm seeing lots of file system errors like "/dev/ubdc: Inode 50081, i_blocks is 392, should be 400. FIXED." |
| 01:09 | <ajmitch> | that's not unusual after a forced reboot |
| 01:09 | <ajmitch> | sadly |
| 01:10 | <sol> | more than usual |
| 01:10 | <sol> | afaik |
| 01:10 | <ajmitch> | caker: any way to watch migration progress aside from the queue? |
| 01:10 | <sol> | it's still fixing them |
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| 01:15 | <encode> | so whats the go with host39? |
| 01:15 | <@caker> | ajmitch: no, not with LVM :( |
| 01:16 | <@caker> | encode: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11504#11504 |
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| 01:17 | <encode> | yeah |
| 01:17 | <fake> | what's the resolution? migration? hardware fix? |
| 01:17 | <encode> | so basically you're just waiting and hoping it doesnt happen again, and if it does you should be able to see the cause? |
| 01:18 | <@caker> | well this boot I actually turned off console blanking for the correct terminal (duh) but at this point we're better just moving everyone off |
| 01:18 | <@caker> | I'm taking things minute by minute, currently -- but yes, we'll be migrating everyone off |
| 01:19 | <ajmitch> | caker: will you get any sleep tonight? :) |
| 01:19 | <@caker> | I kind of doubt it. |
| 01:19 | <ajmitch> | painful |
| 01:19 | <encode_> | caker: ok cool - thanks for your hard work |
| 01:19 | <ajmitch> | thanks for what you've done |
| 01:19 | <@caker> | sure thing |
| 01:20 | <fake> | yeah caker thanks. sorry for being a little annoyed earlier. i just wanted my file transfer to finish -- now it's all good ;p |
| 01:20 | <ajmitch> | you said it's not possible with lvm - are you using pvmove onto a network block device? |
| 01:21 | <@caker> | believe it or not, I'm thinking about migrating you guys back to host53 (many of the host39ers came from there) -- as a temporary home until we can get a real replacement up |
| 01:21 | <sol> | looks like fsck failed |
| 01:22 | <sol> | what would you do? "Give root password for maintenance (or type Control-D for normal startup):" |
| 01:22 | <@caker> | ajmitch: no, piping the data over ssh into an lv |
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| 01:22 | <ajmitch> | interesting |
| 01:22 | [~] | sol is thinking root password... |
| 01:23 | <@caker> | sol: pass and an interactive fsck |
| 01:31 | <sol> | Pass 1... |
| 01:48 | [~] | sol wonders if these files are corrupt after cloning with fsck and what's the deal with host39 |
| 02:05 | <@caker> | ajmitch: hmm, iostat shows blocks written to your device, so there is a way to monitor migration progress |
| 02:06 | <ajmitch> | yay |
| 02:06 | <ajmitch> | how far through is it? |
| 02:06 | <ajmitch> | with about 1 hour done |
| 02:07 | <@caker> | Device: tps Blk_read/s Blk_wrtn/s Blk_read Blk_wrtn |
| 02:07 | <@caker> | dm-7 0.28 1.16 1.06 2621608 2393504 |
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| 02:07 | <ajmitch> | blocksize? |
| 02:07 | <SpaceHobo> | caker: let me know when's good migration time |
| 02:08 | <@caker> | not sure what the block size, but if 1k that's 2.28GB |
| 02:10 | [~] | ajmitch may have to come back to fixing up DNS in the morning then |
| 02:10 | <sol> | what is TLS and do i want it? i've googled but it makes little sense to me... |
| 02:10 | <@caker> | ajmitch: is DNS on the node? .. because I can give you the new ones now |
| 02:12 | <ajmitch> | all done through dns manager |
| 02:12 | <ajmitch> | so separate, but more pain to change :) |
| 02:13 | <sol> | fixing my node is getting old, should i turn it off? are we migrating? |
| 02:13 | <sol> | <- host39 |
| 02:14 | <sol> | pls answer soon, i'm pooped... |
| 02:14 | <@caker> | sol: one sec |
| 02:15 | <sol> | ty |
| 02:17 | <@caker> | sol: migration set (relogin) |
| 02:18 | <@caker> | SpaceHobo: after his? |
| 02:20 | <ajmitch> | caker: oh, what does iostat -m say? |
| 02:20 | <ajmitch> | it should give results in MB |
| 02:20 | <@caker> | dm-7 0.40 0.00 0.00 1851 1721 |
| 02:21 | <ajmitch> | right, so it was 512-byte blocks |
| 02:21 | <ajmitch> | this could take awhile :) |
| 02:21 | <sol> | are 39 and 53 in the same dc? |
| 02:21 | <@caker> | sol: yes |
| 02:22 | <sol> | thank god (and caker) |
| 02:23 | [~] | sol resizes disks first... |
| 02:23 | <sol> | ...and delete swap |
| 02:25 | <Battousai> | i once had a server named sol |
| 02:25 | <Battousai> | it put out a lot of heat... |
| 02:25 | <Battousai> | thats why we named it after the sun |
| 02:26 | <sol> | my hands are always hot, but not sweaty ;) |
| 02:28 | [~] | sol migrates... |
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| 02:50 | <erikh> | caker: ping |
| 02:50 | <@caker> | pong |
| 02:51 | <encode> | can i migrate after SpaceHobo? i presume ip addresses will remain the same? |
| 02:51 | <@caker> | yes, and yes |
| 02:51 | <encode> | sweet thanks |
| 03:06 | <SpaceHobo> | caker: sure, let me know |
| 03:07 | <SpaceHobo> | It snowed in London last night |
| 03:07 | <SpaceHobo> | there's about an inch on theground |
| 03:07 | <SpaceHobo> | hasn't happened in years |
| 03:07 | <encode> | nice |
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| 03:56 | <encode> | how is the migration process going? |
| 03:59 | [~] | ajmitch doesn't plan to stay up & wait for it |
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| 04:01 | [~] | sol migrated |
| 04:02 | <sol> | 15G went smoothly |
| 04:02 | [~] | ajmitch has the pain of going from TP->HE |
| 04:02 | <ajmitch> | no idea how much it's done so far |
| 04:02 | <sol> | now to fix the damage to those pesky db files... |
| 04:02 | <encode> | i wonder if SpaceHobo is done yet |
| 04:03 | <encode> | sol: how long did 15GB take? |
| 04:04 | <taupehat> | ajmitch: but once you're done with that pain, life is ever soc much better |
| 04:04 | <taupehat> | HE > TP |
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| 04:04 | <ajmitch> | taupehat: I can hope so |
| 04:04 | <sol> | about 1 hr 10 min |
| 04:04 | <ajmitch> | but there's no real way for me to measure that :) |
| 04:04 | <taupehat> | aye |
| 04:05 | <taupehat> | well, you might notice |
| 04:05 | <ajmitch> | maybe |
| 04:05 | <taupehat> | HE.net is in california |
| 04:05 | <taupehat> | so fewer hops |
| 04:05 | <ajmitch> | but we've only been doing development on it so far, no real production sites |
| 04:05 | <taupehat> | one hop to AU, another hop across it, then the next hop is direct to Newport Oregon |
| 04:05 | <sol> | the "host duration" value on the queue says "6 minutes, 32 seconds" |
| 04:05 | <taupehat> | and straight down the train tracks to fremont |
| 04:05 | <ajmitch> | southern cross cable should go direct from NZ->US |
| 04:06 | [~] | ajmitch checks with mtr |
| 04:06 | <taupehat> | hrm |
| 04:06 | <ajmitch> | yep |
| 04:06 | <taupehat> | I wonder if it doesn't go AU->NZ->US then =] |
| 04:06 | <ajmitch> | maybe, there's a couple of loops on the cable |
| 04:06 | <taupehat> | I know right where it terminates on this side of the pond though |
| 04:06 | <ajmitch> | & a few different ones on the sea floor :) |
| 04:06 | <taupehat> | heh |
| 04:06 | <taupehat> | hey, that's like top secret and stuff |
| 04:07 | <ajmitch> | sure it is.. |
| 04:08 | <ajmitch> | being on a newer server may help things a bit too |
| 04:08 | <taupehat> | well |
| 04:08 | <taupehat> | being on a server sans failing interface card will certainly be a bonus |
| 04:08 | <ajmitch> | that's always a good thing |
| 04:09 | <encode> | 1 hour 10 minutes? thats ages! i wonder why it took so long |
| 04:09 | <encode> | to copy 15GB of data |
| 04:09 | <taupehat> | from a failing machine |
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| 04:10 | <sol> | nah that's about normal if not faster than normal |
| 04:10 | <encode> | is it going over 10baseT or something |
| 04:11 | <taupehat> | it's going over the internets |
| 04:11 | <sol> | iirc going to the other dc was way slower, and i had to migrate back, hehe |
| 04:12 | <encode> | sol: so your migration was TP -> TP right? |
| 04:12 | <ajmitch> | sol: tell me about it, I'm still waiting :)\ |
| 04:12 | <encode> | (the one jsut then) |
| 04:12 | <sol> | yes encode |
| 04:12 | <encode> | hmm |
| 04:12 | <sol> | don't wait, it was slow, maybe 3 hours? |
| 04:12 | <encode> | im only using 5.2GB of storage, although the disk image is 12GB |
| 04:13 | <encode> | maybe i should shrink the partition before migration |
| 04:13 | [~] | sol would've resized it |
| 04:13 | <encode> | but im worried what will happen if the host dies in the middle of the shrink |
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| 04:21 | <@caker> | SpaceHobo: ping? |
| 04:22 | <encode_> | caker: what do you reckon? shrink first and risk the host not crashing? or just migrate the whole image |
| 04:23 | <@caker> | encode_: 12G? And how much is unused? |
| 04:23 | <encode_> | 6.4GB |
| 04:24 | <@caker> | there's a local host I can move you to, but you'll likely need to migrate again once host39 is replaced |
| 04:24 | <@caker> | did we go over this already? I'm burnt |
| 04:25 | <encode_> | kinda |
| 04:25 | [~] | ajmitch is heading off |
| 04:25 | <@caker> | ok -- or, you can move to a new HE host complete with IP change |
| 04:25 | <ajmitch> | thanks for your help, caker |
| 04:25 | <@caker> | ajmitch: ok -- you all set? |
| 04:25 | <ajmitch> | I guess so, I'll find out in the morning :) |
| 04:25 | <encode_> | i'd prefer to stay in TP |
| 04:25 | <ajmitch> | once everything is migrated |
| 04:26 | <@caker> | ok, new-ticket us if you need anything |
| 04:26 | <ajmitch> | I have to check lish authorized_keys |
| 04:26 | [~] | ajmitch does that now |
| 04:26 | <@caker> | encode_: ok, one sec |
| 04:28 | <ajmitch> | ok, everything looks fine to me |
| 04:28 | <@caker> | encode_: migration set -- I wouldn't bother resizing since it's a fast local copy |
| 04:28 | <encode> | ok cool |
| 04:28 | <encode> | thanks |
| 04:28 | <@caker> | encode_: go for it -- SpaceHobo's MIA |
| 04:29 | <encode> | cheers |
| 04:29 | <encode> | bye for now |
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| 04:34 | <SpaceHobo> | oh sorry |
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| 04:57 | <encode> | still going... |
| 04:58 | <@caker> | encode: 9.4G so far |
| 04:59 | <encode> | ok, cool |
| 05:05 | <@mikegrb> | oh sorry, /me takes windows off of host39 and puts linux back |
| 05:05 | [~] | mikegrb runs |
| 05:05 | <encode> | ahaha |
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| 05:10 | <encode> | finished |
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| 05:13 | <SpaceHobo> | all done? |
| 05:13 | <encode> | yep |
| 05:13 | <encode> | seems to be working well |
| 05:13 | <encode> | thanks caker |
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| 05:13 | <SpaceHobo> | caker: my turn? |
| 05:14 | <@caker> | SpaceHobo: doit |
| 05:15 | <SpaceHobo> | caker: shutting down now |
| 05:16 | <SpaceHobo> | okay, got migrations plus boot queued |
| 05:16 | <encode> | took me 40 mins all up |
| 05:16 | <encode> | not too bad at all |
| 05:23 | <SpaceHobo> | encode: how big is your /? |
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| 05:24 | <encode> | /dev/ubda 12G 5.2G 6.4G 45% / |
| 05:24 | <SpaceHobo> | yeah |
| 05:24 | <SpaceHobo> | mine's twice that |
| 05:24 | <encode> | :S |
| 05:26 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Apache SSL Oddity on transfer to Linode in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2580>; || Apache SSL Oddity on transfer to Linode in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2579>; |
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| 05:55 | <linbot> | New news from forums: inittab keeps getting overwritten on boot! in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2581>; |
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| 06:38 | <SpaceHobo> | caker: looks like frotz is back up |
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| 06:50 | <SpaceHobo> | who's next to migrate? |
| 07:13 | <guinea-pig> | man |
| 07:13 | <guinea-pig> | you have the worst luck with hosts, nick |
| 07:14 | <guinea-pig> | afaik, i've only had one host-forced migration, and i the only host-reboots i remember besides kernel upgrades were when they tripped on the power cord... |
| 07:15 | [~] | guinea-pig wishes the new host many good years of service |
| 07:25 | <SpaceHobo> | guinea-pig: Yeah, I think I've even been on the previous incarnation of 53 |
| 07:37 | <SpaceHobo> | caker: so around half past midnight I got lots of udba errors involving the size of the device. Does that coincide with the other errors that prompted the migration? |
| 07:48 | <guinea-pig> | hmm. your "new" host seems to be running an older kernel than mine. |
| 07:49 | <guinea-pig> | (just an observation, not a comment) |
| 07:49 | <SpaceHobo> | Linux frotz 2.6.19-linode26 #1 Thu Dec 7 17:38:04 EST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:49 | <SpaceHobo> | how is that not a comment? |
| 07:49 | <guinea-pig> | no, the host |
| 07:49 | <SpaceHobo> | oh |
| 07:50 | <guinea-pig> | comment = opinion, observation = fact. |
| 07:50 | <guinea-pig> | well, apparant fact |
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| 10:02 | <Darxus> | http://panic.chaosreigns.com/chaosreigns.com/code/dl/linodebw.png local (/proc/net/dev) and period (linode xml) both sampled every three hours are matching well, if not perfectly |
| 10:08 | <canburak-web> | hi, my member name is canburak and i can't access to member44.linode.com and require assistance. traceroute is available at http://pastebin.com/866313 and ssh canburak@member44.linode.com doesn't fail but i cannot log in (connect?). as you can see, i can browse your website, and can use CGI::IRC to join this channel. also i cannot access the services hosted on my linode. |
| 10:10 | <Darxus> | canburak-web: have you ever been able to access it in the past or did you just create your account? |
| 10:11 | <Darxus> | I am a fellow user not an admin |
| 10:11 | <@mikegrb> | canburak-web: try host44.linode.com |
| 10:14 | <canburak-web> | mikegrb, sorry for typo. i am using host44. |
| 10:14 | <canburak-web> | and i think i spotted the problem. my first dns server is my dns on the linode |
| 10:15 | <canburak-web> | have you initiated the reboot? |
| 10:16 | <canburak-web> | sorry for taking your time because of my fault, thanks. |
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| 10:29 | <Darxus> | heh, users :) |
| 11:05 | <npmr> | well, this may be a first for me |
| 11:05 | <npmr> | some random mail server on the east coast just tried an ETRN on my mail server |
| 11:07 | <SpaceHobo> | wow, I had to go look that one up |
| 11:08 | <SpaceHobo> | callback triggering |
| 11:08 | <npmr> | yep |
| 11:09 | <Darxus> | npmr: how did that go? |
| 11:09 | <npmr> | smack down |
| 11:09 | <npmr> | but still |
| 11:10 | <npmr> | it did come from the domain's mx |
| 11:10 | <SpaceHobo> | nice |
| 11:10 | <npmr> | which appears to be a legitimate something or other |
| 11:11 | <Darxus> | odd |
| 11:11 | <Darxus> | how did you notice it? |
| 11:12 | <npmr> | logcheck |
| 11:15 | <Darxus> | is the system clock that my linode sees already synchronized via ntp? |
| 11:16 | <npmr> | your uml kernel's "hardware" clock is the host system's system time |
| 11:16 | <npmr> | like every linux kernel, your uml kernel's system clock is initialized from the hardware clock at boot |
| 11:17 | <npmr> | so basically, your linode's clock is two levels removed from the host's hardware clock |
| 11:17 | <npmr> | versus the conventional one level |
| 11:17 | <Darxus> | cool, so is the host running ntp? |
| 11:17 | <npmr> | i don't remember |
| 11:17 | <npmr> | at any rate, your system time is not kept in sync with anything at all |
| 11:17 | <npmr> | it is only initialized from the host time |
| 11:18 | <Darxus> | "The host servers are now running ntpd, instead of just random ntpdate calls. That should take care of the issue. " - caker, 2003 |
| 11:18 | <Darxus> | excellent |
| 11:18 | [~] | npmr runs ntpdate every hour |
| 11:19 | <Darxus> | hmm |
| 11:20 | <Darxus> | should be good enough to just regularly sync the system clock to the hardware clock if the hardware clock the system clock of the host which is already running ntpd |
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| 11:22 | <Darxus> | hwclock --hctosys Set the System Time from the Hardware Clock. |
| 11:23 | <@mikegrb> | npmr: uml has no concept of a system or a hardware clock |
| 11:23 | <@mikegrb> | npmr: stores an offset of the host's time |
| 11:23 | <Darxus> | # hwclock --hctosys |
| 11:23 | <Darxus> | hwclock is unable to get I/O port access: the iopl(3) call failed. |
| 11:23 | <Darxus> | interesting |
| 11:23 | <@mikegrb> | npmr: as having a uml kernel in user space trying to keep accurate time would just be well, interesting |
| 11:36 | <npmr> | so does that mean it's unnecessary for me to do any kind of synchronization? |
| 11:36 | <npmr> | since the host clock is synchronized with ntpd |
| 11:38 | <afv-13> | could someone tell me how much ram ntpd is using on their linode please |
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| 11:53 | <ajmitch> | yay, migration completed during the night, and the linode is running |
| 11:53 | <ajmitch> | feels like a whole new box :) |
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| 11:53 | <Darxus> | afv-13: 3240 on my non-linode |
| 11:53 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: what was the migration from/to? |
| 11:54 | <afv-13> | Darxus: so surely it would be better to cron ntpdate than to run a daemon that sits idle most of the time? |
| 11:54 | <ajmitch> | Darxus: host39 to HE |
| 11:55 | <Darxus> | afv-13: ntpd does... more than ntpdate... ntpdate just synchronizes the date once, best it can, over and over again... ntpd tries to maintain the time accurately consistantly, and can use multiple time sources and figure out which are most reliable... |
| 11:56 | <Darxus> | of course ntpdate is probably perfectly acceptable for jest about all situations |
| 12:05 | <iggy> | iirc, caker told me it's pointless to run ntpd since the clocks run off the host clocks that are running ntpd already |
| 12:06 | <Darxus> | iggy: but the system clock is software, which could drift relative to the (virtual) hardware clock, right? |
| 12:07 | <iggy> | I'm just repeating what I was told... I didn't question it at the time |
| 12:08 | <warewolf> | Darxus: no need |
| 12:08 | <warewolf> | Dreamer3: the UML clock is fixed to host os clock, which is ntp sync'd. |
| 12:08 | <Darxus> | warewolf: but what keeps the system clock from drifting relative to the (virtual) hardware clock? |
| 12:09 | <warewolf> | okay we're not communicating effectivlyt. |
| 12:09 | <warewolf> | there is a hardware clock, called the RTC. |
| 12:09 | <warewolf> | there is a kernel clock that is based off the RTC at boot. |
| 12:09 | <warewolf> | ntp adjusts the kernel clock |
| 12:09 | <warewolf> | on shutdown the kernel clock is saved to the RTC. |
| 12:09 | <Darxus> | Subject: linode bandwidth usage at 116.580052914478% of quota |
| 12:09 | <warewolf> | the UML clock *is* the host OS kernel clock. |
| 12:09 | <Darxus> | my linodebw.pl works :) |
| 12:10 | <ajmitch> | Darxus: ouch :) |
| 12:10 | <warewolf> | the host kernel clock is ntp time sync'd. |
| 12:10 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: nah it was just a burst which drove a 3 hour average over my quota |
| 12:10 | <Darxus> | http://panic.chaosreigns.com/chaosreigns.com/code/dl/linodebw.png |
| 12:10 | <warewolf> | there is no drift between UML clock and host kernel clock, they're the same clock. |
| 12:10 | <ajmitch> | Darxus: so not a cumulative amount over the month? |
| 12:11 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: right |
| 12:11 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: check out the graph |
| 12:11 | <ajmitch> | yeah, looks useful |
| 12:11 | <Darxus> | the purple line all the way at the bottom is total actual usage |
| 12:11 | <Darxus> | the light blue line at the top is my quota |
| 12:11 | <warewolf> | Darxus: are you clear now? |
| 12:11 | <Darxus> | warewolf: assuming you're correct that the kernel clock continues to match the hardware clock :) |
| 12:12 | <warewolf> | 13:11 < warewolf> ntp adjusts the kernel clock |
| 12:12 | <warewolf> | 13:11 < warewolf> ntp adjusts the kernel clock |
| 12:12 | <warewolf> | please read |
| 12:12 | <warewolf> | hardware clocks /suck/ |
| 12:12 | <warewolf> | software clocks are much better. |
| 12:12 | <Darxus> | did I really need to put "(virtual)" before that time I typed "hardware clock" again? :) |
| 12:13 | <Darxus> | I understand that the hardware clock in my linode is the software clock in the host os |
| 12:13 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: the script is here: http://panic.chaosreigns.com/chaosreigns.com/code/dl/linodebw.pl |
| 12:13 | <Darxus> | I'd appreciate feedback on it |
| 12:13 | <Darxus> | caker suggested I post it to the forums and I will eventually, I'd like to have somebody else test it first |
| 12:13 | <warewolf> | Darxus: there *is* no hardware clock in your UML. Only a software clock. |
| 12:13 | <iggy> | the uml kernel clock is also the same as the host kernel clock |
| 12:14 | <ajmitch> | feedback besides "I don't like perl"? |
| 12:14 | <Darxus> | I generated the graph with http://panic.chaosreigns.com/chaosreigns.com/code/dl/linodebw.gnuplot |
| 12:14 | <Darxus> | ajmitch: yes :) |
| 12:15 | <Darxus> | warewolf: there is a virtual hardware clock, which is hardware as far as my kernel is concerned |
| 12:15 | [~] | warewolf headdesk |
| 12:16 | <warewolf> | -bash-2.05b# hwclock |
| 12:16 | <warewolf> | hwclock is unable to get I/O port access: the iopl(3) call failed. |
| 12:16 | <warewolf> | I say again |
| 12:16 | <warewolf> | there is _no_ hardware clock in your UML. |
| 12:18 | <Darxus> | my extra bandwidth cost calculation is broken |
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| 12:47 | <linbot> | New news from forums: HTTP-Retrievable Linode Stats (in XML) in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1558>; |
| 12:54 | <Darxus> | what causes that? |
| 13:12 | <@caker> | when I deleted a dupe post |
| 13:14 | <ajmitch> | caker! you managed to sleep? :) |
| 13:14 | <@caker> | heh :) |
| 13:14 | <@caker> | I counted vmstat 1 lines |
| 13:15 | <ajmitch> | everything seems to be up & running just fine on the HE host |
| 13:15 | <@caker> | good deal |
| 13:16 | <Xel> | caker, can linode generate winning lotto numbers for me? |
| 13:16 | <Xel> | :p |
| 13:17 | <@caker> | Xel: use all the host numbers you've been on |
| 13:17 | <Darxus> | Xel: are you stalking me? |
| 13:17 | <Xel> | Darxus, ... who the hell are you? |
| 13:18 | <ajmitch> | stalking is such an ugly word |
| 13:18 | <Xel> | caker, the lotto doesn't go up to 62 :\ |
| 13:18 | <Darxus> | my blog post from two days ago about a guy on the bus seriously asking me how to use somebody else's sudoku game to predict lotto numbers: http://darxus.livejournal.com/162427.html |
| 13:18 | <Xel> | ... Wow, how did you figure it out? |
| 13:18 | <Xel> | I've been following you around for two days now |
| 13:19 | <Xel> | I didn't think you'd make the connection |
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| 14:05 | <@caker> | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1734371/context/search:potato+gun |
| 14:08 | <ajmitch> | hah |
| 14:22 | <@caker> | http://youtube.com/watch?v=p01RjigiYF0 <-- the starup sound cracks me up |
| 14:25 | <@tasaro> | heh |
| 14:30 | <@mikegrb> | I won the netflix lottery \o/ |
| 14:30 | <@mikegrb> | alas, no computer with windows |
| 14:30 | <@mikegrb> | pity |
| 14:31 | <afv-13> | windows? |
| 14:32 | <afv-13> | p windows-el - window manager for GNU Emacs |
| 14:32 | <afv-13> | that? |
| 14:32 | <@mikegrb> | nah, that software from microsoft |
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| 15:06 | <taupehat> | hah |
| 15:06 | <taupehat> | caker: that iphone vid was a hoot |
| 15:07 | <@tasaro> | This one is my favorite: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6979065094299371478 |
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| 18:16 | <@mikegrb> | fo0bar: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/get-your-own-mii-sculpture-soon-231160.php |
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| 18:38 | <fo0bar> | mikegrb: hah |
| 18:38 | <npmr> | fo0bar, hi |
| 18:38 | <fo0bar> | my mii could kick your mii's ass |
| 18:38 | <fo0bar> | hey npmr |
| 18:38 | <npmr> | is there some trick to creating a raid device under finnix? |
| 18:39 | <fo0bar> | like, from scratch? or activating an existing array? |
| 18:39 | <npmr> | from scratch |
| 18:39 | <npmr> | brand new disks, just partitioned |
| 18:39 | <fo0bar> | oh, not really anything special, just specify the 17 cryptic flags needed to mdadm |
| 18:40 | [~] | fo0bar always needs to RTFM whenever he works with mdadm |
| 18:40 | <npmr> | i get "error opening /dev/md0: blah blah it's not there" |
| 18:40 | <fo0bar> | (which isn't often) |
| 18:40 | <fo0bar> | oh |
| 18:40 | <fo0bar> | hmm |
| 18:40 | <npmr> | does that need to preexist or something? |
| 18:40 | <fo0bar> | possibly, I seem to remember coming across that before |
| 18:40 | <fo0bar> | one sec |
| 18:41 | <npmr> | sure thing |
| 18:41 | <fo0bar> | did you modprobe the raid type first (raid5 or whatever you're planning)? |
| 18:41 | <npmr> | yeah |
| 18:42 | <npmr> | raid1, fwiw |
| 18:42 | <fo0bar> | try "MAKEDEV md" then |
| 18:42 | <fo0bar> | I would think mdadm would try to create them for you though |
| 18:43 | <npmr> | oh, ha |
| 18:43 | <npmr> | MAKEDEV makes the device files in ./ |
| 18:43 | <fo0bar> | hahaha |
| 18:43 | <npmr> | so, you know.... ~root/md0 |
| 18:43 | <npmr> | thanks man |
| 18:44 | <fo0bar> | if that works, I'll think about preseeding md entries in udev for future finnix releases... since I imagine this will come up often |
| 18:44 | <fo0bar> | (this is the first release with udev, which I had been putting off forever, so there are bound to be "issues") |
| 18:45 | <npmr> | hmmm |
| 18:45 | <npmr> | yeah |
| 18:45 | <npmr> | udev is interfering with MAKEDEV |
| 18:45 | <npmr> | it says "udev is in use, making entried in /dev/.static/dev |
| 18:45 | <fo0bar> | ... |
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| 18:45 | <npmr> | is that supposed to be union-mounted with /dev? |
| 18:46 | [~] | fo0bar boots up finnix to actually try |
| 18:47 | [~] | npmr uses the devices in .static |
| 18:47 | <npmr> | ok, it's initializing in the background |
| 18:47 | <npmr> | we'll see how it goes |
| 18:49 | <npmr> | so after running "mdadm -Cv /dev/.static/dev/md0 blah blah blah" udev kicks in and makes /dev/md0 |
| 18:49 | <npmr> | or at least i think it was probably udev |
| 18:50 | <fo0bar> | you could have also moved /dev/.static/dev/md* to /dev/ |
| 18:51 | <npmr> | devfs was voodoo enough for me, i know even less about udev and what will break it |
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| 18:52 | <fo0bar> | udev was basically built out of the lessons learned from devfs. user-created dev entries are supposed to co-exist with automatic ones I believe |
| 18:52 | <fo0bar> | IE, add /dev/foobar, and it should be there on next boot |
| 18:52 | <fo0bar> | (well, not on finnix for obvious reasons) |
| 18:53 | <npmr> | ok |
| 18:53 | <fo0bar> | I just find MAKEDEV's behavior weird |
| 18:55 | <fo0bar> | this should only be a problem for assembly. udev should create the stuff automatically upon activation of an existing array |
| 18:55 | [~] | fo0bar is thinking aloud now |
| 18:55 | <npmr> | yeah, i've seen that with existing arrays |
| 18:56 | [~] | npmr never used MAKEDEV before |
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| 20:22 | <Darxus> | I can't register for the forums |
| 20:22 | <Darxus> | on http://www.linode.com/forums/ the Register link asks me for a username & password, I gave it the one I have (with my username capitalized and all lower case), and it didn't like it |
| 20:24 | <Darxus> | the memberlist sorting thing seems broken, the results of sorting by total posts seems random as far as I can tell |
| 20:25 | <Darxus> | hah, nevermind, I just read the login prompt, sorry |
| 20:25 | <Darxus> | ..sorting still seems screwy though |
| 20:29 | <Darxus> | which forum should I post my linodebw.pl in? |
| 20:41 | <@caker> | maybe post the source in the wiki, but announce it in the forums? |
| 20:42 | <@caker> | we need a general bandwidth homepage, then that can link out to all C[C[C[C[Cof the people's scripts |
| 20:42 | <@caker> | all C[C[C[C[Cof the <-- wth was that? |
| 20:48 | <ajmitch> | something special |
| 20:49 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>; || Bandwidth <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Bandwidth>; |
| 21:13 | <Darxus> | caker: you still haven't told me which forum I should post to :) |
| 21:15 | <@caker> | tips and tricks? |
| 21:23 | <Darxus> | k |
| 21:24 | <ajmitch> | one advantage of being at HE now - ipv6 is a bt faster :) |
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| 21:39 | <shrap> | any reason my linode dissapeared for a sec? |
| 21:44 | <ajmitch> | magic pixies stole it? |
| 21:45 | <shrap> | for about 3 seconds |
| 21:45 | <ajmitch> | when you mean disappeared, it was unreachable, or it was rebooted? |
| 21:45 | <shrap> | enuf to have everyone ping out |
| 21:45 | <ajmitch> | internet issues happen |
| 21:45 | <Darxus> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11511 posted linodebw.pl, I'd appreciate verification I didn't do anything stupid :) |
| 21:45 | <Darxus> | but I gotta go to bed now |
| 21:45 | <shrap> | bah |
| 21:46 | <Darxus> | naked not chick is getting impatient |
| 21:46 | <ajmitch> | not chick? |
| 21:46 | <Darxus> | hah |
| 21:46 | <Darxus> | hot |
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| 21:49 | <linbot> | New news from forums: linodebw.pl in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2582>; |
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| 21:52 | <@caker> | Darxus: you ride motorcycles? |
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