TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2007:01:18

---	Log	opened Thu Jan 18 00:00:31 2007
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09:10	<npmr>	mmmmm corn chip
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13:07	<Fabio>	hi! :)
13:07	<thotypous>	hi
13:08	<Fabio>	my ips are still null routed
13:08	<Fabio>	since 4 days ago
13:08	<Fabio>	caker
13:08	<Fabio>	please, it is not possible that an attack wouldn't have ceased :(
13:08	<@caker>	Fabio: the null routes were removed 2 days ago
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13:11	<Fabio>	thanks, i will try to use lish to access it, as ssh is not working anymore ;)
13:11	<Fabio>	caker, :)
13:11	<thotypous>	:D
13:19	<Xel>	Fabio is back!
13:19	<Xel>	That's just so awsome
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14:01	<GN>	I'm watching the andromeda strain via netflix stream
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15:45	<@caker>	!avail
15:45	<linbot>	caker: Linode100 - 3, Linode150 - 24, Linode200 - 4, Linode300 - 10, Linode400 - 10
15:46	<afv-13>	woah
15:47	<afv-13>	exodus or have the new hosts been put in place?
15:47	<@caker>	now hosts
15:47	<@caker>	5 more today, hopefully .. waiting on HE to install some cables :(
15:47	<@caker>	otherwise the machines are ready
15:48	<afv-13>	nice
15:49	<afv-13>	any old hosts going on ebay?
15:49	<@caker>	not yet -- check back in March :)
15:50	<afv-13>	so then you must have a plan to get people to migrate
15:51	<afv-13>	maybe something along the lines of "ram upgrades only available on new hosts, click here to migrate now" :p
15:51	<@caker>	something like that, yeah
15:52	<@caker>	we'll give an incentive for moving to the new hosts (read: new datacenter, new IP) for a while --
15:52	<afv-13>	how many hosts don't have the capacity for plan upgrades?
15:52	<@caker>	enough of one to get space opened up on existing hosts so we can upgrade who ever is left
15:53	<@caker>	uh, it's not a pretty picture. Most of our machines have 4-6G -- new ones are 16G :)
15:53	<afv-13>	aaaah, that's cool, but will there be a need for migration between datacenters?
15:53	<@caker>	for some, yes
15:53	<afv-13>	people on host32?
15:54	<@caker>	It'll all be voluntary -- you can either upgrade now (and move) or wait and not have to move
15:54	<afv-13>	so there is a move away from TP?
15:55	<@caker>	No?
15:55	<afv-13>	then i'm misunderstanding you
15:56	<@caker>	It's a little complicated, but no -- we've got to free up resources on TP machines (by asking people to migrate off, to another datacenter) so that whoever is left over can upgrade in place
15:57	<afv-13>	makes sense
15:58	<Eman>	so there will be forced migration when the new hosts go online?
15:59	<@caker>	Eman: not if we can help it. The only ones we might force will be within the same DC (no IP change)
16:01	[~]	jams waits for the incentive of extra bandwidth
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16:04	<afv-13>	caker: i'm surprised TP haen't asked to resell linodes to compliment their dedicated offerings
16:05	<afv-13>	would you be up for something like that?
16:06	<@caker>	Not unless the price is right, and I knew they'd do it right...
16:07	<@caker>	all datacenters will be virtualized within the next 10 years ... Mark. My. Words.
16:08	<afv-13>	yup, and what better place to start than making use of an established provider like linode
16:09	<afv-13>	only effort for them would be changing their site a little and getting you guys to make a TP skin for linode
16:10	<@caker>	Hah
16:10	<@caker>	sorry ... us doing a theplanet skin is funny
16:10	<afv-13>	well, not changing your site, i mean an additional site with a tp skin
16:10	<@caker>	The way I look at it -- We don't need anybody :)
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16:12	<@mikegrb>	lolz
16:12	<afv-13>	lol, but the extra revenue wouldn't hurt
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17:02	<Xel>	caker, I'm guessing that people already on a new host (I'm on host62) won't need to do any sort of migration...?
17:03	<chris>	You'll migrate host4 over my dead body
17:03	<chris>	What are we talking about again?
17:04	<Xel>	Hey chris.
17:04	<Xel>	I am the STA Xel :P
17:04	<Xel>	And you, I see, are the STA Null.
17:04	<chris>	haha
17:04	<@caker>	Xel: correct
17:04	<Xel>	Cool caker.
17:04	<chris>	I wondered how many people would have "Xel"
17:04	<Xel>	I am just too awsome.
17:04	<Xel>	GRB has disappeared, and Tarrant.
17:05	<chris>	Tarrant disappeared years ago didn't he?
17:05	<Xel>	A couple.
17:05	<chris>	and GRB has always disappeared randomly
17:05	<Xel>	I know.
17:05	<Xel>	STA is sort of waiting for TFC2
17:05	<chris>	I met Tarrant in cali a while back, he was amusing
17:05	<Xel>	Is he a big dork?
17:05	<chris>	yes
17:05	<Xel>	Hah I knew he would be
17:05	<chris>	and balding a bit if I recall
17:05	<Xel>	ahahaha
17:06	<Xel>	So why don't you drop by anymore?
17:06	<Xel>	Lost interest?
17:06	<chris>	Forgot the chan key again
17:06	<chris>	I'm still on gnet
17:06	<Xel>	Just use /chanserv invite
17:07	<Xel>	The invite will let you bypass the channel key
17:07	<Xel>	How long have you been with linode?
17:08	<chris>	Pretty early on, not sure. Caker would know
17:10	<Xel>	Hmm afk. Meeting @ work.
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20:23	<@caker>	!avail
20:23	<linbot>	caker: Linode128 - 3, Linode192 - 24, Linode256 - 4, Linode384 - 10, Linode512 - 10
20:23	<ajmitch_>	nice
20:23	<@caker>	nice?
20:23	<ajmitch_>	RMA upgrade?
20:23	<@caker>	hehe
20:23	<@caker>	you noticed -- good job
20:23	<ajmitch_>	s/RMA/RAM/
20:23	<darkbeholder>	ooo very nice
20:24	<@caker>	this isn't THE ram upgrade, but something to hold us over until March (or so)
20:24	<ajmitch_>	aha
20:24	<ajmitch_>	what will THE RAM upgrade be like?
20:24	<@tasaro>	;)
20:24	[~]	ajmitch_ presumes we'll need to reboot to get it
20:25	<ajmitch_>	given that even with xen it can't expand beyond what it's booted with
20:25	<ajmitch_>	at least until the kernel got memory hotplugging, I heard :)
20:26	<@caker>	you'll need to reboot, although there IS mem hotplug in recent UML
20:26	<@caker>	hold off on rebooting for a few minutes
20:26	<@caker>	still need to commit this
20:26	<ajmitch_>	sure
20:26	[~]	ajmitch_ needs to take down zope cleanly first & make sure it can come back up
20:26	<ajmitch_>	which I have to put in a script ASAP
20:27	<@tasaro>	darkbeholder: I think I just replied to your ticket - didn't notice you in here
20:28	<darkbeholder>	thats ok
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20:30	<ajmitch>	caker: thanks for the upgrade anyway :)
20:30	<@caker>	ajmitch: you're welcome!
20:31	<@caker>	ok, everyone should see if (upon re-login)
20:31	<@caker>	*it
20:51	[~]	efudd blinks
20:51	<efudd>	512s?
20:51	<efudd>	but i just rebooted!@# :P
20:51	[~]	caker hugs efudd
20:52	<darkbeholder>	poor efudd
20:52	[~]	ajmitch may have more incentive to upgrade the account now
20:52	<efudd>	that's a pretty crazy increase caker.
20:52	<@caker>	should be 28%
20:52	[~]	efudd nods
20:53	<@caker>	there's a-more a-coming, too
20:53	<efudd>	hrmph. 512 is way too much for me now.
20:53	[~]	ajmitch waits breathlessly
20:53	<efudd>	what, $20 price drops?! :)
20:53	<ajmitch>	problem is that I know I could fill 512 without too much of a hassle
20:53	<@caker>	efudd: downgrade; save some cash for your house
20:53	<Eman>	$20 price drop... haha that would make a 128 nearly free
20:53	<efudd>	caker, nod. 'cept I -just- increased my filesystem 5 days ago (I was still at 8... :/)
20:55	<efudd>	I guess they can be shrunk too. hmm.
21:11	<linbot>	New news from forums: 28% Additional RAM now Standard on all Packages in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2574>;
21:11	<taupehat>	w00t!
21:11	<@caker>	:)
21:11	<taupehat>	caker: does this mean that
21:11	[~]	caker thanks all of you for your business
21:11	<taupehat>	well, does this apply to current clients?
21:11	<taupehat>	and thanks for the service
21:11	<@caker>	taupehat: everyone but you -- since you had to ask.
21:11	<taupehat>	k
21:11	[~]	taupehat calls 1and1
21:12	<taupehat>	=P
21:12	<@caker>	haha
21:12	[~]	caker grovels at your feet
21:12	<darkbeholder>	why would we go elsewhere when you keep giving us more for free and still continue to provide very stable hosting and great support?
21:12	<taupehat>	I know
21:12	<taupehat>	it's like the OS X of VPS providers
21:12	<@caker>	hmm, because I've been selling off all your confidential data?
21:12	<taupehat>	the longer you stick with it, the more you get for your money
21:12	<ajmitch>	oh good, the price of extra RAM has dropped too
21:12	<taupehat>	well, that too
21:13	<ajmitch>	CMR is changed?
21:13	<@caker>	the CMR is bogus, honestly
21:13	<ajmitch>	heh
21:13	<darkbeholder>	so your doing what everyone else is :D
21:13	<ajmitch>	that's so good to know ;)
21:13	<@caker>	The REAL CMR is much higher <-- that kind of bogus
21:14	<darkbeholder>	is the next step to open a 24/7 call centre in india for support?
21:14	<ajmitch>	useful
21:14	<@caker>	TotalCPUMHz / NumOfLinodes == CMR, but what's on the website is worst case, meaning -- a single proc machine
21:14	[~]	ajmitch wonders if he should do debian etch or ubuntu feisty if we get a new one
21:15	<@caker>	also, may I dare say: MHz Myth
21:15	<ajmitch>	running 64-bit capable CPUs & distros yet?
21:15	[~]	Eman had a theory that host9 had like 100 nodes on it... that box can be slooooow
21:16	[~]	efudd also points out that there isn't really a good method by which to limit the Mhz
21:16	<efudd>	Although....
21:16	<efudd>	I should phrase that as "infrastructure" vs. "method".
21:17	<@caker>	ajmitch: no -- I've never taken the time to figure out what that involves
21:17	[~]	ajmitch hasn't looked into xen's management much, but it does have some good tools
21:17	<@caker>	like? :)
21:17	<efudd>	caker, 2 32bit machines and ducttape.
21:18	<efudd>	I think I want to build an F3P plane.
21:18	<ajmitch>	heh
21:19	<efudd>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCso3ib6cSY <- f3p example
21:19	<efudd>	pretty good pilot too....
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21:59	<JonR>	is lighty still lighter-weight than a properly optimized apache2 install?
22:14	<@caker>	JonR: read http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11470 and just install apache :)
22:19	<JonR>	ooh.
22:19	<JonR>	shiny
22:19	[~]	JonR also has to reboot for the additional gig of hard drive.
22:19	<JonR>	oh, one more thing
22:19	<JonR>	caker, you have optimization guidelines for the threadbased worker MPM in apache2?
22:19	<JonR>	I'm told it's better than the forking model when you're not using php
22:20	<JonR>	currently I have:
22:20	<JonR>	StartServers 2
22:20	<JonR>	MaxClients 15
22:20	<JonR>	MinSpareThreads 2
22:20	<JonR>	MaxSpareThreads 7
22:20	<JonR>	ThreadsPerChild 5
22:20	<JonR>	MaxRequestsPerChild 32
22:22	<@caker>	those look ok to me. You could raise MaxRequestsPerChild up a bit, IMO
22:23	<JonR>	okay
22:24	<JonR>	thanks!
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23:12	<erikh>	lighty is a lot of buzz
23:12	<erikh>	and little else, IMO
23:13	<Eman>	use microhttpd :p
23:13	<erikh>	thttpd
23:13	<erikh>	if you're just serving static files, there are a lot of options. like tux.
23:15	<@caker>	invisahttpd
23:15	<@caker>	> *
23:16	<Eman>	just use gopher
23:33	<JonR>	Eman: good plan.
23:33	[~]	JonR oughta set up a gopher server some day
23:39	<erikh>	heh
23:43	<Eman>	i call dibs on host9 when it goes up for sale :p
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