TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2006:02:05

---	Log	opened Sun Feb 05 00:00:44 2006
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04:57	<mrtrip>	Anyone that knows debian and linux networking around?
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04:58	<jdub>	ask straight out, anyone around might be able to help
04:58	<mrtrip>	It's regarding multiple IPs on different subnets
04:58	<mrtrip>	On a single interface
04:59	<mrtrip>	Just want an example of creating the individual routes for the IPs
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13:16	<Zach>	Say, does any know of a good IPtables script that supports multiple external interfaces?
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14:12	<[\|^__^\|]>	mikegrb: is there a good SIP client for windows, or other device that will allow asterisk VoIP stuff?
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15:28	<[\|^__^\|]>	hmmm, is this ser any good...
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18:28	<@caker>	go packers
18:29	<@mikegrb>	it's funny that so manny channels are airing sports related stuff
18:30	<@mikegrb>	doesn't make much sense, if someone is into sports they are going to be watching the superbowl on abc
18:30	<[\|^__^\|]>	haha
18:30	<@mikegrb>	if they aren't watching the superbowl, the probably don't want to watch sports related programming
18:31	<@mikegrb>	a sure way to ensure you have the lowest viewership possible
18:31	<[\|^__^\|]>	yes
18:32	<[\|^__^\|]>	someone should write a bug tracking system that uses existing bug trackers as datastores
18:32	<[\|^__^\|]>	just store irrelevant bugs all over the internet
18:32	<[\|^__^\|]>	and then give it an actually useful interface
18:43	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: did you find a SIP softphone for windows?
18:44	<[\|^__^\|]>	No, but I'm still playing with ekiga
18:44	<[\|^__^\|]>	I can't seem to get it to do my soundcard
18:44	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: for SIP I've had great luck with the x-lite softphonbe.
18:44	<[\|^__^\|]>	yeah?
18:44	<[\|^__^\|]>	cool
18:45	<@mikegrb>	it's what everyone uses on windows
18:45	<[\|^__^\|]>	http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/006418.html
18:45	<anderiv>	also - if you want to do straight IAX2 to your softphone, check out idefisk.
18:45	<[\|^__^\|]>	I know nothing of these protocols
18:45	<[\|^__^\|]>	I still have a 2500 model phone
18:46	<anderiv>	IAX is the native asterisk protocol...most frequently used for calls between asterisk boxes, but with the advent of IAX softphones, has now been getting some use in the client realm.
18:46	<@mikegrb>	http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/combination-wine-heatercooler-152806.php
18:46	<anderiv>	IAX is much more NAT-friendly, so I prefer it over SIP.
18:46	<@mikegrb>	there are iax hardphones as well
18:47	<anderiv>	mikegrb: true
18:47	<[\|^__^\|]>	hmmm
18:48	<[\|^__^\|]>	I just want to be able to call \|o_o\| when she's on her big european trip
18:48	[~]	mikegrb has to run a local asterisk box since > 1 sip device didn't work behind nat
18:48	<anderiv>	speaking of asterisk - what's the status of getting ztdummy into the linode kernels?
18:48	<@mikegrb>	probably not going to happen
18:48	<anderiv>	mikegrb: no?
18:48	<anderiv>	bummer
18:48	<@mikegrb>	it doesn't support a monolithic kernel
18:50	<anderiv>	that said, asterisk does seem to run pretty well on my 120.
18:51	<@mikegrb>	yeah
18:51	<@mikegrb>	run it on my linode too
18:52	<anderiv>	mikegrb: do you and caker use asterisk for the linode business?
18:52	<@mikegrb>	not currently
18:52	<@mikegrb>	we don't really take calls right now
18:53	<anderiv>	heh - must be nice :-)
18:53	<anderiv>	I just got the go-ahead to implement it at work.
18:53	<anderiv>	...to extend our current legacy PBX.
18:54	<@mikegrb>	we will have great goodness
18:54	<@mikegrb>	intigrated CRM stuffs
18:54	<@mikegrb>	punch in ticket number and it pops up onscreen and such
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19:00	<Narada>	hi folks; i'm getting the classic error of: INIT: Id "c0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes; my /etc/inittab contains c0:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 vc/0 linux; i've also tried #c0:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 115200 vc/0 linux; no luck; any tips?
19:02	<Narada>	anyone awake? :)
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19:11	<[\|^__^\|]>	okay
19:12	<Narada>	Can anyone hear me?
19:12	<[\|^__^\|]>	Hi
19:12	<Narada>	Hello!
19:12	<[\|^__^\|]>	okay, who here has SIP working?
19:12	<Narada>	Great. Finally I hear people.
19:13	<[\|^__^\|]>	hear?
19:13	<[\|^__^\|]>	are you using text-to-speech?
19:13	<Narada>	Yeah I forgot to mention I'm completely insane.
19:13	<Narada>	I'm getting this error: INIT: Id "c0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes; I've tried the usual /etc/inittab fix but it's not working. Any tips would be much appreciated.
19:15	<Narada>	I've got the line ":12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 vc/0 linux" in inittab but no luck. Have I got it right?
19:16	<Narada>	There was a major baselayout upgrade recently though and I'm wondering whether that is the cause.
19:17	<[\|^__^\|]>	hey, could someone call me on SIP so I know it works?
19:18	<japostoles>	caker , mike: Either of you guys there?
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19:25	<[\|^__^\|]>	haha
19:26	<[\|^__^\|]>	Who's Kitchen 1?
19:37	<japostoles>	wtf.. why doesnt ctrl-break or ctrl-c work within lish??
19:39	<japostoles>	I'm pinging and I cant stop it
19:40	<Beirdo>	I'm sure if you kill the ssh connection it will stop
19:41	<japostoles>	I cant
19:41	<japostoles>	its screen
19:41	<japostoles>	lish
19:41	<Beirdo>	oh you mean on the console from lish?
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19:43	<japostoles>	yeah
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19:52	<tronix>	re: softphones... I particularly like twinkle (sip) and idefisk (sip), and um, gnophone (iax)
19:52	<[\|^__^\|]>	yeah?
19:52	<tronix>	they work great, except for gnophone because * is iax2 based and gnophone is only iax
19:52	<[\|^__^\|]>	See, \|o_o\| will have the windows side on her laptop on the biznazz trip
19:53	<tronix>	ooh windows.. hmm
19:53	<tronix>	forgot about that detail ;)
19:53	[~]	tronix thinks
19:53	<[\|^__^\|]>	I have ekiga for the linnucks side
19:53	<[\|^__^\|]>	seems to work fine
19:53	<japostoles>	is there a way to get ahold of caker or mike or anyone who can handle support issues other than IRC?
19:54	<cmantito>	open a ticket/
19:54	<cmantito>	?
19:54	<tronix>	idefisk works on windows too
19:54	<[\|^__^\|]>	it seems like all the screenshots I can find for idefisk and x-lite seem to only do DTMF POTS stuff
19:54	<tronix>	ooh my bad, idefisk is iax2
19:55	<tronix>	xten's commercial but they have a free version, sip and windows/linux
19:56	<tronix>	xten's now known as CounterPath. website: http://www.counterpath.com/
19:56	<tronix>	I do recall hearing some rave reviews about SNOM (sip, windows)
19:56	<tronix>	http://www.snom.com/
19:56	<tronix>	also has a free version avail too
19:57	<[\|^__^\|]>	hmmm
19:57	<[\|^__^\|]>	maybe I should go iax
19:57	<[\|^__^\|]>	it seems more robust
19:58	<[\|^__^\|]>	and freer
19:58	<tronix>	doesn't really matter either way -- both works though agreed, easier to deal with NAT
19:58	<tronix>	with IAX2
19:58	<[\|^__^\|]>	yeah
19:58	<[\|^__^\|]>	hmmm
19:59	<tronix>	http://asteriskguru.com/tools/idefisk_beta.php
19:59	<tronix>	(if you want windows + iax2)
20:00	<[\|^__^\|]>	hmmmm
20:02	<tronix>	japostole: not sure, but you could try ctrl-z then kill -9 %1
20:03	<tronix>	Narada: Gentoo?
20:03	<tronix>	oh, I see Narada's left. too bad.
20:04	<tronix>	also, re: softphones... a very nice list of them for various OSes is at:
20:04	<tronix>	http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=VOIP+Phones
20:04	<tronix>	under the Soft Phones section
20:05	<tronix>	that's how I picked out the good ones for Linux -- checked list and tried each client, one by one. :)
20:05	<[\|^__^\|]>	hmmm
20:07	<tronix>	also, if I might suggest something... grab one sip and one iax2 client, install + config it, so if she has problems getting one to work, there's an alternative ready. like if hotel does really odd port filtering or something.
20:08	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: have you thought about just using skype?
20:08	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: much easier to configure, and supports video calls as well.
20:09	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: ...admittedly less geek-quotient, though. :-)
20:09	<[\|^__^\|]>	anderiv: I don't use proprietary software
20:10	<[\|^__^\|]>	and ekiga does video too
20:10	<encode>	ewww @ skype
20:10	<encode>	skype sucks
20:10	<[\|^__^\|]>	encode: what doesn't suck?
20:10	<encode>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: asterisk :)
20:11	<[\|^__^\|]>	encode: that's a server, not a client
20:11	<[\|^__^\|]>	and not a protocol
20:11	<[\|^__^\|]>	iaxcomm seems to suck
20:11	<[\|^__^\|]>	and it's the only linux IAX client i've found so far
20:11	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: we're you looking for a SIP client for windows?
20:12	<[\|^__^\|]>	anderiv: yes, for the other end of the line
20:12	<[\|^__^\|]>	not mine
20:12	<[\|^__^\|]>	I need to be able to say "here, download this and you can call me at ..."
20:12	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: will you have to talk her through the config?
20:12	<[\|^__^\|]>	probably
20:13	<[\|^__^\|]>	but ekiga was very simple
20:13	<encode>	i havent made an extensive comparion of protocols, but SIP seems to be pretty good
20:13	<[\|^__^\|]>	and it's a gross nerdy Linux program
20:13	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: idefisk stores its config in an XML file, which you could probably email to her.
20:13	<encode>	i havent really looked for softphones, ATAs ftw
20:13	<[\|^__^\|]>	whereas these fine commercial iwndows programs are likely to be paragons of UI
20:14	<[\|^__^\|]>	anyway, I need a simple free SIP client for windows that'll Just Work
20:15	<tronix>	I'm not sure about non-proprietary sip softphones for windows, so depends on how flexible you can/willing to be
20:15	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: several people have recommended clients...none of them are incredibly easy to set up, though.
20:15	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: and because of the NAT issues, you can never count on it to "just work".
20:16	<[\|^__^\|]>	I dunno, it works for me behind NAT
20:16	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: it's a crapshoot.
20:17	<encode>	oh, softphone for windows
20:17	<encode>	i installed one on my sister's pc - only i'm not home to check atm
20:18	<anderiv>	seriously, if you want something that "just works", skype is the way to go. If that's not an option for you, though, suit yourself. I appreciate your desire to use only open software, but IMO, there are some instances where you gotta just go with what works.
20:18	<encode>	http://www.xten.com/index.php?menu=download thats it
20:18	<encode>	it has windows, OS X and linux versions
20:18	<[\|^__^\|]>	will that time out?
20:19	<encode>	free, not open source
20:19	<[\|^__^\|]>	yeah
20:19	<encode>	nah, its the lite version
20:19	<encode>	less features, but still plenty of features
20:19	<encode>	and no g729, which you'd expect
20:19	<anderiv>	[\|^__^\|][\|^__^\|]: that's the softphone I recommended earlier. Works well in my testing.
20:19	<[\|^__^\|]>	okay
20:19	<[\|^__^\|]>	thanks for all your help?
20:19	<encode>	http://www.broadvoice.com/support_install_byod_xten.html
20:19	<encode>	thats a simple guide for setting it up
20:20	<encode>	obviously its designed for that company's VoIP solution
20:20	<encode>	but its pretty simple to figure out which settings need to be changed
20:22	<[\|^__^\|]>	oh cool
20:22	<[\|^__^\|]>	sorry for the "?"
20:22	<[\|^__^\|]>	I was talking in SIP to a friend!
20:23	<encode>	hehe s'ok
20:24	<[\|^__^\|]>	okay, groovy
20:24	<[\|^__^\|]>	thanks
20:24	<[\|^__^\|]>	We'll give x-lite a try
20:24	<[\|^__^\|]>	since I know ekiga works
20:24	<[\|^__^\|]>	called the echo tests and a friend's asterisk servar
20:24	<@mikegrb>	lolz
20:24	<[\|^__^\|]>	mikegrb: lol
20:24	<[\|^__^\|]>	kthxbi
20:26	<encode>	one thing i still have to figure out in asterisk - how to use both a SIP provider, and also dial to other asterisk servers
20:26	<encode>	not that i've looked into that much
20:26	<anderiv>	encode: I know it's certainly possible...not sure exactly how to implement, though.
20:26	<anderiv>	encode: I'm an asterisk n00b myself.
20:27	<encode>	the asterisk channel on freenode is pretty helpful
20:27	<anderiv>	encode: yes - and the mailing list.
20:27	<encode>	at least i think its freenode
20:27	<anderiv>	encode: yep - freenode.
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22:37	<warewolf>	why is it every time we get a new employee in my office, they change the color/layout/fonts of our standard documents we use every day.
22:37	<encode>	because you havent taught them better?
22:38	<warewolf>	someone made our firewall log analysis sheet yellow on puke green.
22:38	<encode>	ewwww
22:38	<warewolf>	way to make it READABLE.
22:38	<warewolf>	christ
22:38	<taupehat>	haha
22:39	<encode>	maybe they're colorblind
22:39	<taupehat>	I bet it looks great if you simply highlight all the text
22:39	<taupehat>	ctrl-A the document and see if it's any easier to read
22:39	<warewolf>	I'm all for meaningful changes, like increasing the font size (to make it easier to read, since we dropped a few firewalls) and adding zebra shading to keep in line where you are doing analysis across the width of the page
22:39	<taupehat>	zebra shading?
22:40	<warewolf>	zebra stripes
22:40	<warewolf>	color coding down the page
22:40	<taupehat>	l
22:40	<warewolf>	like http://www.ratemylinode.com/rankings.html
22:40	<taupehat>	k
22:40	<warewolf>	white/grey/white/grey/white/grey
22:40	<taupehat>	right
22:40	<warewolf>	so you don't miss your place as you shift your eyes side to side
22:40	<warewolf>	easier to navigate that way
22:41	<taupehat>	eh warewolf I wanna sort those rankings by uptime, btw
22:41	<warewolf>	gragremeblargh
22:41	<taupehat>	hehe
22:42	[~]	taupehat is the only host15 node that hasn't marked private
22:42	<taupehat>	it's interesting, too
22:42	<taupehat>	I've had massive (for me) traffic over the past week
22:42	<taupehat>	silly blogosphere
22:42	<taupehat>	village voice profiled me
22:42	<warewolf>	actually
22:42	<taupehat>	that branched out to other blogs
22:42	<warewolf>	you're the ONLY host15 person on rml
22:43	<warewolf>	er
22:43	<warewolf>	actually I'll hace to look on the back-end
22:43	<taupehat>	bartcop.com and democraticunderground.com have both been sending a ton of referers my way
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22:44	[~]	taupehat should really set his adsense back up
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23:37	<warewolf>	man, berlios.de sucks almost as much as freenode
23:37	<taupehat>	heh
23:37	<warewolf>	I seriously hate it how the website is down when I need to get at shit on it
23:38	<warewolf>	I want to hack on the bcm43xx code, to see if I can fool it into thinking my a/b/g card is just b/g
23:38	<warewolf>	(it gets confused and oopses when it tries to touch the A side)
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