TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2005:08:01

---	Log	opened Mon Aug 01 00:00:03 2005
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00:27	<linbot`>	New news from wiki: LinodeWiki:Community Portal <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LinodeWiki:Community_Portal>;
00:33	<linbot`>	New news from wiki: LinodeWiki:General disclaimer <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LinodeWiki:General_disclaimer>; \|\| LinodeWiki:About <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LinodeWiki:About>; \|\| LinodeWiki:General disclaimer <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LinodeWiki:General_disclaimer>; \|\| LinodeWiki:About <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LinodeWiki:About>;
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05:10	<linbot`>	New news from forums: Linode Two Year Anniversary and Status Update in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1729>; \|\| xampp? in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1710>; \|\| Problems recieving mail from badly configured hosts in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1800>; \|\| Host46 Reboot in System and Network Status <http://www.lin
05:10	<linbot`>	New news from wiki: Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>; \|\| LinodeWiki:General disclaimer <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LinodeWiki:General_disclaimer>; \|\| LinodeWiki:About <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LinodeWiki:About>; \|\| LinodeWiki:General disclaimer <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LinodeWiki:General_disclaimer>; \|\| LinodeWiki:Community Portal <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LinodeWiki:Community_
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06:11	<ct>	I want to sign up for a linode-96. How can I tell which datacentre the available linodes are available at? I want one at he.net because ping times are lower from where I live.
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07:12	<Internat>	wtf
07:12	<Internat>	thats a lota new news
07:13	<Internat>	ct: not sure if caker or mikegrb are awake atm, but if u desperately need a didfefernt datacentre it is probabluy best to shoot them off an email..
07:14	<ct>	I can wait for an IRC answer, no real hurry
07:14	<Internat>	:)
07:15	<encode>	ct: although ping times are definitely lower at he.net for australians (i live in sydney) tp.net is fairly usable too
07:15	<Internat>	yeah im in the he for my linode (im in brisbane)
07:15	<encode>	all the newer servers are in tp
07:16	<encode>	newer = better host performance
07:16	<encode>	i wonder how much of a difference it really makes when ssh'd
07:16	<Internat>	when zen comes in, i wont be complainging what centre im in..for zen its fucking rad
07:16	<ct>	I thought newer ones were in he.net?
07:17	<encode>	no
07:17	<encode>	the majority of linode servers are at theplanet.net
07:18	<encode>	and at least some (i think all) of the xen servers are at theplanet
07:18	<encode>	Internat: how long have u had your linode?
07:18	<Internat>	umm about a year i think
07:18	<encode>	oh k
07:19	<Internat>	this is my 2nd node
07:19	<encode>	cos ive only had mine around 4 months
07:19	<Internat>	was sharing with a mate for a while, then got my own when his contract expired
07:19	<encode>	and there were no 96's at he.net when i started
07:19	<ct>	what distribution do you guys run?
07:19	<encode>	at least, none available
07:19	<Internat>	debian
07:19	<encode>	ct: im lazy, i run ubuntu
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10:41	<shas>	hey mikegrb
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11:12	<alex323>	hey all
11:12	<alex323>	im trying to find the kernel headers for my kernel
11:12	<alex323>	where would i download them?
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11:12	<alex323>	err
11:12	<alex323>	Linux ninja 2.6.12.3-linode14 #1 Tue Jul 26 23:44:29 EDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
11:12	<@mikegrb>	kernel.org
11:13	<@mikegrb>	or in debian
11:13	<alex323>	mikegrb, but isn't my kernel different?
11:13	<@mikegrb>	not much
11:13	<alex323>	its in apt-get
11:13	<@mikegrb>	what are you compiling that you need the headers for?
11:13	<alex323>	BOPM
11:13	<alex323>	/home/alex/bopm/bopm-3.1.2/src/config.c:72: undefined reference to `yyin'
11:13	<alex323>	config.o(.text+0x5a):/home/alex/bopm/bopm-3.1.2/src/config.c:85: undefined reference to `yyin'
11:13	<alex323>	config.o(.text+0x2fe): In function `yyerror':
11:13	<@mikegrb>	[michael@orion:~][michael@orion:~] apt-cache search BOPM
11:13	<@mikegrb>	bopm - Blitzed Open Proxy Monitor
11:14	<alex323>	that'll install it as root though right/
11:14	<@mikegrb>	it shouldn't
11:14	<alex323>	i need the whitelist patch though
11:16	<shas>	ey mike, me == shasderias, works for me if you want to support through here
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11:20	<alex323>	what is "one Host CPU for this month"?
11:24	<@mikegrb>	shas: well, we can move you over space availible
11:24	<@mikegrb>	shas: looks like slightly higher ping times but a route with more throughput
11:24	<@mikegrb>	shas: would mean an IP change for you
11:28	<shas>	hrm sec
11:29	<shas>	something weird is going on :p
11:33	<shas>	okay.. something seems to have changed, i'm hitting 100 ish now <.<
11:34	<alex323>	mikegrb, do i have a CPU time allotment?
11:34	<@mikegrb>	sure
11:34	<alex323>	mm
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11:34	<alex323>	ok, on the main page it says i used 9% of one jhost cpu
11:35	<alex323>	host
11:35	<shas>	mikegrb: , sorry for the trouble <.< i'll have to poke a little more
11:35	<@mikegrb>	shas: ok
11:35	<shas>	irc, ftp xfers are slow
11:35	<shas>	http seems to be decent
11:35	<@mikegrb>	shas: interesting
11:35	<alex323>	mikegrb, what happens if i hit 100%?
11:35	<@mikegrb>	alex323: nothing
11:35	<shas>	although i'm pretty sure i wasn't getting these speeds a few days back
11:35	<shas>	at least for http
11:35	<alex323>	mikegrb, oh really?
11:35	<alex323>	i saw it going up last night and i was like, "oh fuck im going to hit 100% soon"
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11:40	<shas>	mikegrb: thanks very much again :)
11:41	<shas>	i think i'll stay at he
11:41	<shas>	sorry for the inconvenice <.<
11:41	<@mikegrb>	shas: no problem
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13:08	<rafx>	anyone around to help me with billing?
13:09	<SupaZubon>	need us to balance your checkbook?
13:09	<rafx>	heh
13:09	<rafx>	caker, mikegrb, need a sec for billing-related issue
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13:22	<heidi>	mikegrb stepped out
13:22	<heidi>	he will be back
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13:34	<rafx>	thanks heidi
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13:48	<thelsdj>	so far vpseasy seems real good, except for a few quirks because they are really new to the vps game but on the whole very good experience so far
13:49	<Battousai>	download anything from it yet?
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13:50	<thelsdj>	will test now
13:51	<Battousai>	also, did you ever get an aup or anything like that?
13:52	<thelsdj>	1.7MB/s downloading from it to my linode
13:52	<Battousai>	whoo
13:53	<Battousai>	that's a speeding ticket right there
13:54	<Battousai>	mikegrb: make HE go that fast for us east coasters ;)
13:54	<thelsdj>	hit 3.0MB/s uploading from linode to vpseasy
13:55	<Battousai>	tp?
13:55	<thelsdj>	yea
13:55	<thelsdj>	tp both ways
13:56	<thelsdj>	yikes
13:56	<thelsdj>	bigger file i got it to hit 4.5MB/s :)
13:56	<thelsdj>	ooh 4.7 at the end
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13:58	<thelsdj>	Battousai: they do have a forum so you could ask about AUP on the presale question forum
13:58	<thelsdj>	http://forums.vpseasy.com/
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15:11	<alex323>	hey Battousai?
15:11	<Battousai>	uh oh
15:11	<alex323>	see pm
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15:28	<rafx>	caker, mikegrb, need a sec for billing-related issue
15:33	<heidi>	rafx: open a ticket
15:34	<rafx>	i heard tickets can take a few days, just wanted about 30 seconds. it'll be too late end-of-day today
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15:40	<heidi>	rafx: well, it depends on the kind of ticket and whether it needs research or whether it needs cakers look over
15:40	<heidi>	but if it is an easy question mikegrb can get to it right away
15:40	<rafx>	ok, thanks i'll try it out
15:57	<SupaZubon>	http://picdump.home.mindspring.com/dns/ <-- good DNS tutorial
15:59	<SupaZubon>	http://picdump.home.mindspring.com/dns/11.html <-- mikegrb
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16:02	<Battousai>	old
16:02	<Battousai>	i remember seeing that in high school
16:02	<SupaZubon>	whoa
16:02	<SupaZubon>	when I was in high school, I was still using gopher
16:03	<Battousai>	good for you
16:03	<Battousai>	gopher rocks
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16:20	<gpd>	anyone good at excel forumlas?
16:20	<gpd>	I want to do if(condition AND condition,'true','false')
16:24	<gpd>	looks like it is =if((AND(condition,condition)),1,0)
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16:34	<JonR>	traceroute is giving me a lot of "traceroute: sendto: Operation not permitted". what's up with that?
16:35	<JonR>	it just started doing it, too.
16:39	<Battousai>	is it not suid?
16:39	<JonR>	well, i'm running as root, so I wouldn't think that would be an issue...
16:40	<JonR>	all of a sudden it's behaving now...
16:41	<JonR>	but now I'm getting similar errors on ping.
16:41	<JonR>	li5-50:/# ping 207.44.196.47
16:41	<JonR>	PING 207.44.196.47 (207.44.196.47): 56 data bytes
16:41	<JonR>	ping: sendto: Operation not permitted
16:41	<JonR>	ping: wrote 207.44.196.47 64 chars, ret=-1
16:41	<JonR>	ping: sendto: Operation not permitted
16:41	<JonR>	ping: wrote 207.44.196.47 64 chars, ret=-1
16:44	<JonR>	and, now ping isn't doing that anymore either.
16:45	<JonR>	on the other hand, could I get someone else to try pinging that ip from their linode? I can ping it from my home, but not from my linode.
16:46	<JonR>	and now traceroute is doing it again. :/
16:46	<JonR>	this is disturbing me.
16:46	<adamg>	pings from both dcs
16:46	<JonR>	weird.
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18:20	<linbot`>	New news from forums: Rdiff backup problems in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1808>;
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19:27	<JonR>	could caker or another admin please privmsg me? i've got what might be a big problem.
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19:27	<JonR>	well, a big problem for me, anyway
19:27	<Razathorn>	regards
19:27	<Razathorn>	wow, I can't believe this java irc client just worked
19:27	<@mikegrb>	JonR: hello
19:27	<Razathorn>	Are there any official linode.com reps here?
19:28	<JonR>	mikegrb: thanks
19:28	<@mikegrb>	Razathorn: hello
19:29	<Razathorn>	mikegrb: I have installed UML and played with it quite a few times... I am currently considering using linode.com as a 'virtual dedicated server' solution
19:29	<Razathorn>	mikegrb: my main concerns are the security of the host machines
19:29	<Razathorn>	mikegrb: are the host machines using the kernel patch that keeps the host from viewing uml procs of uml kernel processes ?
19:30	<@mikegrb>	the host machines have the skas patches
19:31	<@caker>	Razathorn: simple answer: Yes, they are patched
19:31	<Razathorn>	Yeah i'm familiar with the skas patch ;) -- it's all good, i'm a software engineer with way more linux experience than I should admit to =P
19:33	<Razathorn>	So, what kind of backup solution is in use?
19:33	<@caker>	RAID1 on the hosts, but backups are your responsibility
19:33	<@caker>	rsync, rdiff-backup, etc
19:33	<Razathorn>	yeah
19:34	<Razathorn>	yeah I rsync boxes nightly with a script atm so this is no problem to implement
19:34	<Razathorn>	my primary concern would be the 'consolability' of the distribution.
19:35	<Razathorn>	ie, how can I run a given kernel version, since I realize the kernel is literally executed as an elf binary on the host
19:35	<Razathorn>	is there some way to get a console incase network goes down.. for instance a terminal server or something on the host
19:35	<@caker>	Yes .. /me finds linkage
19:35	<@caker>	The Freecycle Network. is made up of many individual groups across the globe. It's a grassroots movement of people who are giving (& getting) stuff for free in their own towns. Each local group is run by a local volunteer moderator (them's good people). Membership is free. To sign up, find your community by clicking on the region on the right. It will generate an automatic e-mail which, when sent, will sign you up for your local group and send you a re
19:36	<@caker>	oops
19:36	<@caker>	http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/LISH <--
19:36	<Razathorn>	owned by the cut vs hilight buffer eh
19:36	<JonR>	heh
19:36	<@caker>	Yup :)
19:36	<JonR>	I've had that happen to me, too.
19:36	<JonR>	except I accidentally pasted in a whole webpage once.
19:36	<JonR>	30-some pages.
19:36	<JonR>	:/
19:37	<Razathorn>	I use kde on my linux laptop for work, there's a nice feature that merges the cut/hilight buffer as one... but... well, I am used to having two so I never use it, neat feature none the less
19:37	<@mikegrb>	caker: freecycle++
19:37	<@caker>	mikegrb: yeah, pretty cool ... I regged for the Nashville group
19:37	<Razathorn>	oh yeah, linode has wiki
19:38	<Razathorn>	I'm a documentation whore, you might not hear from me for a while now
19:38	<Razathorn>	INPUT[/johny5]
19:38	<@caker>	Razathorn: hah
19:39	<linbot>	is alive; MORE INPUT
19:39	<Razathorn>	frick'n leet... you use SCREEN in lish .. man all of the unix guys (myself included) have the MAD screen sessions opened on our dev boxes ;)
19:39	<Razathorn>	we're all screen freaks
19:40	<Razathorn>	did you guys implement lish ?
19:40	<@caker>	yup
19:41	<Razathorn>	memset(&previousExpectations,0,sizeof(EXPECTATIONS_STRUCT));
19:42	<Razathorn>	so is the screen just set to use something special for the shell
19:42	<Razathorn>	or does launching screen give you multiple lish's
19:43	<Razathorn>	not like there's much point
19:43	<@caker>	Each Linode is ran inside a screen session
19:43	<@caker>	Lish allows to to attach to it, or perform some basic control -- reboot, shutdown, etc
19:44	<@caker>	also provides an easy method to log console/kernel messages -- useful for capturing panics and whatnot
19:44	<@caker>	(if they occur)
19:46	<Razathorn>	or hit ctrl-c ;)
19:46	<Razathorn>	hahaha
19:49	<@caker>	?
19:55	<Razathorn>	if you hit ctrl-c in the uml proc, it kills the box
19:55	<Razathorn>	doesn't it
19:55	<Razathorn>	the uml proc
19:56	<@caker>	no .. maybe in TT mode (but I somewhat doubt that)
19:56	<that>	hah. just gives me a new line and bash prompt when i try
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20:00	<Razathorn>	welp, thanks for the input!
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20:52	<thelsdj>	hrm anyone know how to get dig to show all subdomain records also?
20:52	<SupaZubon>	subdomain?
20:52	<SupaZubon>	delegated subdomains eh...
20:52	<SupaZubon>	that's a good one
20:53	<thelsdj>	i'm trying to pull out all the records for one of my domains cause i don't have easy access to our dns server
20:53	<SupaZubon>	all the records, or all the delegation records?
20:53	<SupaZubon>	subdomains doesn't mean hostnames
20:54	<thelsdj>	i mean i want everything thats in the zone file
20:54	<SupaZubon>	dig axfr example.com
20:54	<SupaZubon>	if you have access to transfer it
20:54	<thelsdj>	right
20:54	<thelsdj>	ok great thanks
20:54	<thelsdj>	works
20:54	<SupaZubon>	groovy
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23:56	<gpd>	anyone remember an X11 app that used to do a similar thing to this:
23:56	<gpd>	http://www.macosxhints.com/images/snakebounce.mov
23:56	<gpd>	can't find it... can only find sodaplay.com (much newer)
23:57	<gpd>	used to be called springie or something... seem to remember it being around in about 1998...
23:57	<SupaZubon>	xsproingies
23:57	<JonR>	what's the url that video is from?
23:58	<gpd>	http://www.lorenb.com/software/sproing/
23:58	<gpd>	that's it... I knew you would know SupaZubon :)
23:58	<SupaZubon>	haha
23:59	<SupaZubon>	I remember watching demos of that at Comdex 98
23:59	<SupaZubon>	I am a cheap bastard when it comes to workstations
23:59	<SupaZubon>	so I didn't have X until like 2000
23:59	<gpd>	maybe it isn't called that...
---	Log	closed Tue Aug 02 00:00:01 2005