TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2005:03:19

---	Log	opened Sat Mar 19 00:00:00 2005
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04:17	linbot	New news from forums: trying to make PPP conn. from windows with MPPE encryption in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1417>;
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06:10	linbot	New news from forums: Activation in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1475>;
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14:54	linbot	New news from forums: Distribuution for unix experienced but Linux noob in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1562>;
15:25	@mikegrb	hi
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15:44		guinea-sleep \| i hate the word "noob"
15:44		guinea-sleep \| hatehatehate
15:44		* guinea-sleep stomps
15:44	CryptWizard	just becuase you are one
15:45		* guinea-sleep stares blankly at CryptWizard
15:45		* CryptWizard stares back at guinea-sleep
15:46		guinea-sleep \| i have no problem with "newbie"
15:46		guinea-sleep \| but simplifying "bie" to "b" just irks me
15:48	iggy	then pretend it's pronounced like "tube"
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15:58	iggy	Beirdo: fix your shit
16:25	Beirdo	hmm?
16:25	Beirdo	the wiki will be back up next week when the server arrives here in Toronto
16:25	Beirdo	then I'll be moving it onto my linode
16:26	Beirdo	not much I can do about it, it's 400+ km away
16:28	Beirdo	and the ISP couldn't get me a temporary firewall to replace mine that went kaboom
16:29	CryptWizard	a firewall isnt that important
16:31	Beirdo	heh
16:32	Beirdo	it is.
16:32	Beirdo	and they won't let me just put the server onto the VLAN directly as they'd have to reconfigure the switch and they are lazy
16:38	Beirdo	so I'm taking all my stuff outta their colo. Screw em
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17:15	Shaun	Beirdo: they probably dont have anybody around to do the switch config, was it the middle of the night?
17:17	Beirdo	yes, but they were unwilling to do it the next day too.
17:17	Beirdo	up theirs
17:17	Beirdo	that's $300/month THEY ain't getting any more
17:18	Shaun	Beirdo: so they staticly routed your ip space to your fw and you routed it from there?
17:18	Beirdo	yep
17:19	Beirdo	and they didn't want to route the ip space directly (which is their IP space in reality)
17:19	Shaun	did you have a bunch of subnets?
17:19	Beirdo	no
17:19	Beirdo	one with 16 IPs
17:19	Shaun	that sucks, that setup is like all of like 4 lines to change...
17:19	Beirdo	I know
17:19	Shaun	who was this?
17:20	Beirdo	Magma Communicatiosn
17:20	Beirdo	ns rather
17:20	Shaun	whres that?
17:20	Beirdo	mind you, they recently got bought out, so it might just be the new owners being wankers
17:20	Beirdo	magma.ca
17:21	Beirdo	so gone are the days of 5 hops from my home network to the colo server :)
17:22	Beirdo	if the colo were here in Toronto, I'd be easily able to replace the firewall
17:22	Beirdo	but I don't live in Ottawa anymore and was looking at moving it to Toronto anyways
17:23	Beirdo	but linode is definitely cheaper, and I still get enough control anyways
17:23	Shaun	Beirdo: if it's far you may want to think about some extra redundancy... you could do HSRP between 2 firewalls, but your colo might be lazy and not want to set that up ;)
17:23	Beirdo	I'd rather have my colo local given the choice
17:24	Beirdo	they have a data center in Toronto too, I'll consider using it after I fix this crap and rebuild the server, etc
17:24	Beirdo	in the meantime, I think linode's a better choice anyways
17:24	Artifex	tjfontaine: you around
17:24	Artifex	?
17:25	Beirdo	just have to get the server here so I can move data, etc.
17:33	linbot	New news from forums: Anyone using typo3 on a Linode 64? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1338>; \|\| newbie linode questions in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1375>;
17:49	linbot	New news from forums: Control Panels? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=204>;
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18:09	adamg	mikegrb: you about?
18:09	@mikegrb	adamg: Yes!
18:10	adamg	can you easily tell what % of bw usage is within the linode network and what escapes to the ouside world?
18:11	@mikegrb	not easily
18:11	adamg	k
18:12	adamg	not to worry
18:13	@mikegrb	ok
18:13	kvandivo	were you worried, mg?
18:15	@mikegrb	not really
18:15		* mikegrb runs
18:15	adamg	you are already on my hit list, from a comment earlier
18:19	Artifex	tjfontaine never called me
18:19	Artifex	big shock there
18:19	Artifex	</sarcasm>
18:23	tjfontaine	hey
18:23	tjfontaine	day isn't out freak
18:24	Artifex	ahh
18:24	Artifex	but
18:24	Artifex	you said you would call me sometime in the afternoon
18:24	Artifex	and afternoon has certainly passed
18:24	tjfontaine	I didn't wake up til noon so it's just now afternoon
18:24	tjfontaine	I'm on and odd schedule
18:25	Artifex	i didnt wake up till 2:30... but that doesnt change the fact that the sun is setting
18:25	Artifex	anyways, regardless....
18:25	Artifex	this is the part where you tell me you're not going to go because (insert lame excuse here)
18:25	tjfontaine	<inserted>
18:26	Artifex	so, let's hear it
18:26	tjfontaine	nah I dun wanna get flamed anymore adn you prempted the phone call so consider yourself left hanging :)
18:26	Artifex	you wouldnt have called anyways
18:26	Artifex	hey
18:26	Artifex	btw
18:26	Artifex	when's your birthday?
18:26	tjfontaine	sept 4
18:27	adamg	tjfontaine get flamed never
18:27	Artifex	you know why i ask?
18:27	adamg	tjfontaine, go out, find someone to go home with
18:27	tjfontaine	Artifex: no?
18:27	Artifex	because i've still got your fucking birthday present sitting here. :-\|
18:27	tjfontaine	adamg: heh
18:27	tjfontaine	Artifex: heh
18:27	Artifex	sept, oct, nov, dec, jan, feb, MARCH....
18:27	Artifex	wow
18:27	Beirdo	tis afternoon
18:28	Artifex	well over half a year since the last time you managed to NOT bail
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18:29	tjfontaine	Artifex: I love you too
18:29	Artifex	lies
18:29		* adamg was sure tj was only saying yesterday all his mates were getting married and not allowed to play anymore
18:29	Artifex	adamg: thats just another of his lame excuses
18:30	tjfontaine	no
18:30	tjfontaine	damnit
18:30	tjfontaine	arti why do you hate me so
18:30	Artifex	why do you hate me so?
18:30	Artifex	at least i TRY
18:30	Artifex	you have to meet me half way, man... at least once
18:30	Artifex	at least every 6 months or so
18:30	Artifex	cripes
18:30	adamg	well thats the fuse lit
18:34		* Beirdo hands around the peace bong
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18:38	Artifex	tjfontaine: well, there's nothing I hate more then giving up on a friendship, but you're not leaving me much alternative here
18:38	Artifex	so
18:38	Artifex	see you around, or whatever
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18:39	adamg	maybe I shouldnt have said anything
18:39		* tjfontaine rolls eyes
18:39	tjfontaine	I'll take care of him
18:41	adamg	wernt you working today>
18:41	adamg	?
18:42	tjfontaine	I was
18:42	adamg	oh
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19:30	@mikegrb	tjfontaine: <3
19:36	tjfontaine	mikegrb: <3
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20:57	Beirdo	aloha!
21:14	host39istoosl	\| hi .. does anyone know what i can do to make my lish stop its multi-second response times?
21:16	iggy	you mean logging in? or doing anything?
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21:18	host39istoosl	\| sorry bout logon/off .. if anyone has advice on speeding up this bloody shell so that its usable, please tell
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22:21	tvakah	I seem to recall something about debian sarge having issues with tls in uml...what do I need to do post dist-upgrading my debian 3.0 image to it?
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22:22	@mikegrb	tvakah: "mv /lib/tls /lib/tls-disabled"
22:22	@mikegrb	tvakah: it's an issue with the 2.6 kernels in uml
22:23	tvakah	aha, ty mikegrb
22:28	@mikegrb	no problem tvakah
22:30	tvakah	am I able to build & upload my own guest kernel to my linode?
22:30	tizen	tvakah: I don't think so.
22:31	@mikegrb	no, though the kernels we provide are pretty full featured
22:32	tvakah	any 2.6 ones (sorry, I haven't poked around too much in my account settings yet, I'm just hanging out here while my shiny new linonde dist-upgrades)
22:32	@mikegrb	if there is a feature you need that isn't included you can always request it
22:32	@mikegrb	yes, there are several 2.6 kernels
22:33	Beirdo	any opinions on an appropriately small MTA to use on my linode?
22:33	tvakah	gotcha
22:33	tvakah	exim4
22:33	Beirdo	why?
22:33	tvakah	Beirdo, or postfix imo
22:33	@mikegrb	exim4 fo sure!
22:33		* mikegrb runs
22:34	Beirdo	anyone got reasons to choose one over the other?
22:34	@mikegrb	it's small
22:34	Beirdo	anyone who suggests qmail is getting a boot to the head, BTW
22:34	tvakah	Beirdo, how about .... sendmail (j/k ;) )
22:34	@mikegrb	heck debian and thus probably ubuntu have exim-small packages
22:34	Beirdo	sendmail is fine, but not small
22:35	Beirdo	I'm quite comfortable with sendmail. I'm thinking postfix, but if there's a compelling reason to use exim...
22:35	tizen	postfix is much much better than qmail
22:35	tizen	i've only used them both
22:36	Beirdo	qmail can eat me :)
22:36	Beirdo	mmmm. Bushmills
22:37	Beirdo	OK. I think I'll go with postfix for one reason... we use it at work
22:37	tvakah	mikegrb, I found (from a post to uml users) a way to use dpkg-divert so that /lib/tls stays away accross upgrades of libc
22:38	@mikegrb	tvakah: aye, it's the easiest sollution
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22:40	@mikegrb	dcoulson_: Welcome
22:40	dcoulson_	hello
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22:42	tvakah	sweet that was easy to switch the kernel...when's 2.6.11 going to be avail?
22:42	@mikegrb	hopefully somewhat soon
22:42	@mikegrb	this week possibly
22:43	Beirdo	mikegrb: if I did want to switch kernels, how would I go about it?
22:44	Beirdo	I didn't notice it at first glance in the setup page
22:44	@mikegrb	Beirdo: the config profile
22:44	@mikegrb	there is a dropdown for kernel
22:46	Beirdo	Ah. OK. I'm happy with 2.4.29 for now, was just wondering for future notice
22:46	Beirdo	or whatever
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23:48	tvakah	holy crap...why are the guest kernel monolithic instead of modular?
23:49	tvakah	s/are/is/
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23:50	@mikegrb	modular == security risk in uml
23:50	tvakah	because I'm not entirely 100% on having every tunnel known to man show up in an ip li
23:50	tvakah	aha
23:50	@mikegrb	as you could modify a module to run malicious code on the host
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