TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2005:03:13

---	Log	opened Sun Mar 13 00:00:47 2005
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02:03	funkycow	to the segfaulting from before... seems like tls found its way back in -- i just disabled it and named (and asterisk too) worked
02:03	---	User: *** funkycow is now known as eric
02:13	Shaun	eric: tls will come back anytime there's a glibc update
02:14	Shaun	gest thing to do is create a hourly cronjob that checks for /lib/tls and if it finds it, it moves it.
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02:21	thread	/dev/ubd/0 1.2G 1.2G 2.0K 100% /
02:22	thread	anybody wanna tell me what that is all about?
02:22	thread	I suppose this is the wrong hour to ask...
02:27	tierra	hmm
02:28	tierra	I would assume that means your partition is full
02:29	thread	Linode 256 has 12288 MiB
02:29	thread	that's like 12 g or so right?
02:30	tierra	I think you missed a digit when you setup your partitions... heh
02:30	thread	fuc
02:30	tierra	how much of disk does it say your using in the LPM?
02:30	tierra	you can always resize partitions
02:30	tierra	not a problem
02:33	thread	cool
02:33	thread	thanks
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03:11	rrijkse	does anyone know if there is a problem with host 39? I just got back to my computer and my linode was shutdown.
03:13	@caker	rrijkse:
03:13	@caker	ENOMEM in journal_alloc_journal_head, retrying.
03:13	@caker	__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xf0/0)
03:13	@caker	__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xf0/0)
03:13	@caker	Kernel panic: kernel BUG at inode.c:129!
03:13	@caker	^-- looks to me like you ran out of memory, and the kernel crashed
03:14	rrijkse	oh ok, that's weird, i'll see what could've caused it
03:18	rrijkse	i don't see anything unusual in my logs
03:18	EFudd	yeah, but that's a pretty nasty looking "out of memory" condition.
03:18	EFudd	someone isn't properly testing for ENOMEM and handling it and passing back to inode handler.
03:19	EFudd	that could lead to FS corruptions.
03:19	EFudd	then again, i'm making some assumptions without reading inode.c...
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03:19		* EFudd wonders if that was an ASSERT death
03:20	rrijkse	what is an ASSERT death?
03:21	EFudd	ASSERT is used to trap things that are ReallyBad and for a panic so stuff doesn't get corrupted.
03:21	rrijkse	ah
03:21	EFudd	ie, if it was an ASSERT then it was handled correctly.
03:22	rrijkse	well it wasn't cause my linode wasn't running anymore, i did see a lot of ext 3 errors in my logs
03:22	EFudd	sompn like...
03:22	rrijkse	ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 38482
03:22	rrijkse	there are dozens of these
03:23		* EFudd nod
03:23	EFudd	one might use assert around hardware related stuffs generaly tho
03:23	EFudd	or filesystem stuffs too...
03:24	rrijkse	i'll see if it happens again, it's too late to start workin on this now
03:24	EFudd	what kernel are you on?
03:24	rrijkse	i have full backups of everything so if anything happend to any of the files it wouldn't matter that much
03:24	rrijkse	the latest 2.4
03:25		* EFudd looks to see if he has a 2.4 tree around
03:25	rrijkse	2.4.29
03:25	EFudd	lesse.....
03:25	EFudd	and you are all ext3?
03:25	rrijkse	yeah
03:26	EFudd	herm. there's an fs/inode.c and fs/ext3/inode.c. Bleh.
03:26	EFudd	Oh odd........
03:26	EFudd	it was in fs/inode.c...
03:28	rrijkse	so how could that have happend, i dont' run that much on there... and i have lots of swap
03:28	EFudd	sec, building a cscope index....
03:28	EFudd	I'm curious to where this came from....
03:28	rrijkse	same here
03:30	EFudd	it was trying to do cleanup..... (it being the kernel for inode buffers...)
03:31	rrijkse	a cleanup for what?
03:33	EFudd	sec..
03:34	EFudd	this part of the code path might be above my head without a lot of research....
03:34	rrijkse	everything to do with this is way beyond my knowledge
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03:35	rrijkse	i know a lot about linux but none of bare stuff
03:35	EFudd	* Define JBD_EXPENSIVE_CHECKING to enable more expensive internal
03:35	EFudd	* consistency checks. By default we don't do this unless
03:35	EFudd	* CONFIG_JBD_DEBUG is on.
03:35	EFudd	^^ might be useful.
03:35	EFudd	but i think that's a caker-ism.
03:35	rrijkse	lol
03:36	rrijkse	if it happens again i'll do some reaearch on it and figure out what it really is all about
03:36	rrijkse	thanks for your help im gonna head off to bed
03:36	EFudd	see, it looks like it was supposed to 'silently wait'
03:36	EFudd	instead of triggering BUG
03:37	rrijkse	i see
03:37	EFudd	oh
03:37	EFudd	yeah... now i see why it did this, I think...
03:38	EFudd	the kernel still had references (buffers) in memory to an inode that was trying to get cleared.....
03:38	rrijkse	ah
03:39	EFudd	but....
03:40	EFudd	that's what happened at "kernel panic: kernel BUG at inode.c:129"
03:40	EFudd	what i don't get is how we got THERE from journal_alloc_journal_head's failure
03:40	rrijkse	i have no idea stuff on my linode had been acting funny for a week or so but i thought i took care of that.
03:41	rrijkse	for example my processes like apache and apache-ssl were running but i couldn't stop them with init.d scripts
03:41	rrijkse	and a restart would start them but they wouldn't beable to bind to the ports
03:42	EFudd	yeah. caker's right. you hit some obscure linsux bug that hapepns in low memory conditions.
03:42	EFudd	you probably maxed out phys and swap...
03:42	EFudd	perhaps the fs code was trying to aggressively free up memory at the same time that something was tryin gto allocate buffers.
03:42	rrijkse	the weird thing is that i had like 100 MB of swap left, i checkd that a few hours before it crashed
03:42	EFudd	ie, the code there is multi-entrant, I think.... ie, not sequential. could be 2 things there, but caused by memory, I guess.
03:43	EFudd	well, a few hours is a long time.
03:43	EFudd	I can run a system outta memory in a few cycles of the clock.
03:43	rrijkse	i think i might haveto upgrade to a plan above me
03:43	rrijkse	yeah i know
03:43	rrijkse	i guess i'll have to keep a closer eye on it
03:44	rrijkse	anyway thanks a lot for your help
03:44	EFudd	ayup.
03:44	EFudd	there are a few old redhat bugs on this, but specific to certain hardware.
03:44	tierra	EFudd, as much as I've read, I think this was an issue brought up in #uml recently...
03:45	EFudd	caker, was there anything else shown other than those couple of lines you pasted?
03:45	tierra	I don't know anything about it though, definately not my area of expertise
03:45	EFudd	tierra, hrm. i don't pay attention to that.. hmm
03:45	rrijkse	im off to bed i'll see you guys later
03:45	EFudd	and caker, did the physical host mention anything about bits being bad (ECC kinda stuff) around that time?
03:45	EFudd	this is the kinda problem that normally screams 'hardware'
03:46		* EFudd assumes his adderall is working given his interest in this ><
03:46	tierra	hehe
03:48	EFudd	I see a channel logger in #uml. wonder where the sekret codeztext are to be found...
03:51	@caker	EFudd: /whois UML_ChanLog
03:51	EFudd	how, er, useful. :)
03:52	EFudd	now, buy a google-search-box thingy :)
03:52	@caker	no doubt
03:53	EFudd	weer.. damnit.
03:53	EFudd	here i was searching from the top.
03:55	EFudd	well, went back to 2/25.. no hits for 'ENOMEM'. I give.
03:56	tierra	search for inode.c
03:56	EFudd	o.
03:56	tierra	it's was pretty recent, I think in the last week
03:57	EFudd	19:35 < Aiken> jdike using 2.6.11 + the incremental patches I just triggered a kernel bug kernel BUG at fs/inode.c:1109!
03:57	EFudd	ah ha.
03:57	EFudd	3-9
03:57	tierra	yeah, that's it
03:58	EFudd	Hrm.....
03:58	@caker	odd -- he wasn't running 2.6
03:59	EFudd	yah.
03:59	EFudd	the host is 2.4?
03:59	EFudd	(also...?)
03:59	@caker	all hosts are 2.6 now
03:59	EFudd	hmmm.... ok.
03:59	EFudd	Didn't you have some 'new io fancy thingy' option available for linodes?
03:59	@caker	host ~should be irrelevant
03:59	@caker	CFQ-TS disk sched?
04:00	EFudd	or did you pull whatever that was. I seem to remember some option with the caveat of "don't try this. but try it if you don't care about data."
04:00	EFudd	~9months+ ago was when i first heard reference?
04:00	@caker	that was ages ago, and it ate filesystems and was never placed into use
04:00	EFudd	ok... hmm
04:00	@caker	ubd-mmap+devanon
04:00	EFudd	do you have a stack backtrace for his failure?
04:00	EFudd	or just the data you pasted?
04:00	@caker	one sec
04:01	@caker	Kernel panic: kernel BUG at inode.c:129!
04:01	@caker	<6>SysRq : Show Regs
04:01	@caker	EIP: 0073:[<401f968d>] CPU: 0 Not tainted ESP: 007b:bfffda5c EFLAGS: 00000283
04:01	@caker	Not tainted
04:01	@caker	EAX: ffffffda EBX: bfffea98 ECX: 400ebd00 EDX: 405bb53c
04:01	@caker	ESI: 44a19014 EDI: bfffea98 EBP: bffffa98 DS: 007b ES: 007b
04:01	@caker	Call Trace: [<80312ce7>] [<8031a484>] [<800125cf>] [<801a9f8e>] [<80195875>]
04:01	@caker	[<8001f15e>] [<80014bc7>] [<80014c3d>] [<8004996e>] [<803123d2>] [<80318bea>]
04:01	@caker	[<800621f0>] [<8004af32>] [<80040fe8>] [<8003fec0>] [<80041168>] [<80041100>]
04:01	@caker	[<80199e97>] [<80190694>] [<80199f0a>] [<80199100>] [<80199448>] [<80199bbc>]
04:01	@caker	[<80199ba5>] [<802ab638>] [<802ab891>]
04:01	@caker	all she wrote
04:01		* caker fires up ksysoops
04:01	EFudd	damn.
04:02	EFudd	yeah, i can't grok those call traces
04:02		* EFudd looks at 2.6.9 sources.
04:03	EFudd	aiken's failure was in iput()....
04:03	EFudd	completely different, other than "fs/inode.c"
04:04	EFudd	hrm...
04:05	@caker	flood
04:05	@caker	Warning (Oops_read): Code line not seen, dumping what data is available
04:05	@caker	>>EIP; 401f968d Before first symbol <=====
04:05	@caker	Trace; 80312ce7 <__FRAME_END__+1073/3bea4>
04:05	@caker	Trace; 8031a484 <__FRAME_END__+8810/3bea4>
04:05	@caker	Trace; 800125cf <__wake_up+4b/dc>
04:05	@caker	Trace; 801a9f8e <handle_sysrq+36/44>
04:05	@caker	Trace; 80195875 <panic_exit+1d/34>
04:05	@caker	Trace; 8001f15e <notifier_call_chain+1e/38>
04:05	@caker	Trace; 80014bc7 <panic+97/120>
04:05	@caker	Trace; 80014c3d <panic+10d/120>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 8004996e <destroy_inode+66/68>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 803123d2 <__FRAME_END__+75e/3bea4>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80318bea <__FRAME_END__+6f76/3bea4>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 800621f0 <ext3_delete_inode+0/130>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 8004af32 <iput+c6/27c>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80040fe8 <vfs_unlink+dc/1c4>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 8003fec0 <lookup_hash+48/a8>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80041168 <sys_unlink+98/108>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80041100 <sys_unlink+30/108>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80199e97 <execute_syscall_skas+af/f8>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80190694 <set_current+14/2c>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80199f0a <handle_syscall+2a/78>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80199100 <handle_trap+3c/11c>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80199448 <userspace+100/16c>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80199bbc <fork_handler+80/a0>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 80199ba5 <fork_handler+69/a0>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 802ab638 <__restore+0/8>
04:06	@caker	Trace; 802ab891 <kill+11/20>
04:06	@caker	</flood>
04:06	EFudd	Hmmmmm.....
04:07	EFudd	Ah!
04:07	EFudd	iput+c6...
04:07	tierra	was that rrijkse's trace?
04:07	@caker	call trace fed through ksysmoops, yes
04:08	EFudd	So....
04:08	EFudd	Something tried to unlink through the vfs interface..
04:08	EFudd	then..
04:09	EFudd	(iput() is nasty in 2.4 vs 2.6...)
04:12	EFudd	* Called at the last iput() if i_nlink is zero.
04:12	EFudd	ext3_delete_inode() is called if i_nlink is zero....
04:12		* EFudd wonders if there is an off-by-one with that
04:14	EFudd	ok, aiken and rrijkse's issues/errors are very similiar. both spawned through iput but for 2 different, albeit similar reasons... I_CLEAR (2.6) vs <something> in 2.4...
04:15	EFudd	oh, both I_CLEAR...
04:16	EFudd	caker, was there any timestamp associated with the ENOMEM and the following __alloc_pages to the "Kernel panic:" line?
04:17	@caker	no -- there never are in console outputs :/
04:17	@caker	it looks like it happened earlier without the panic
04:17	@caker	I'll post his console log -- one sec
04:17	EFudd	Yeah.... good.
04:17	EFudd	that answers the question.
04:19	@caker	http://www.theshore.net/~caker/uml/rrijkse.log
04:19	EFudd	ewf.....
04:22	EFudd	int inode_has_buffers(struct inode *inode)
04:23	EFudd	i'm guessing that the term "buffer" there means "stuff not destaged to disk."
04:24	EFudd	I give up on this one...
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04:29	EFudd	I just can't grok() how 'iput' fits into 'remove' this late at night.
04:32	@caker	Xen rocks my socks
04:33	@caker	balloon
04:33	@caker	Request a domain to adjust its memory footprint.
04:33	EFudd	not messed with it yet here.
04:33	@caker	save
04:33	@caker	Suspend a domain to disk.
04:33	@caker	restore
04:33	@caker	Restore a domain from disk
04:33	EFudd	er, isn't the whole "freeing of resources" iffy with resizes?
04:34	@caker	it has a built-in balloon memory driver that supposedly handles it
04:34	EFudd	or does it not allow you to go down....
04:34	@caker	up/down, doesn't matter
04:34	EFudd	hrm.
04:34	@caker	[root@host27 xen]# uname -a
04:34	@caker	Linux host27.linode.com 2.6.10-skas3-v8-rc2-xen-2.0.5 #2 Thu Mar 10 21:24:25 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
04:34	EFudd	Kinda difficult to tell OS->App->something to "free some memory y0. Big Daddy wants it back."
04:34	@caker	^-- Xen + SKAS kernel, for host and Xen domains (guests) -- allowing Xen domains to run SKAS UMLs
04:35	EFudd	Heh.
04:35	@caker	Linodes under Xen
04:36	@caker	crap, it's late
04:36	EFudd	yeah N:/
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06:44	cout	caker: what's with the "i686 i686 i386" thing?
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11:18	NetWolf	hrm
11:18	pknetworks	??
11:18	pknetworks	What's up?
11:18	NetWolf	adamg: why daoes mtl have in there hostnames cable for you and boardband for others
11:18	NetWolf	example bagu.broadband.ntl.com
11:19	NetWolf	and you ust111.cdif.cable.ntl.co
11:26	adamg	legacy
11:27	adamg	ntl delervies data via cable not via the dsl type
11:27	adamg	cable indicates cable delivery
11:27	adamg	broadband is a generic term coving cable and adsl
11:28	adamg	ntl bought several different cable companies over the year, so things are mainly just legacy
11:42	NetWolf	ah okay
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13:18		guinea-sleep \| whoops. left mtr running all day again...
13:18	@mikegrb	Silly you.
13:19		guinea-sleep \| not bad, though
13:20		guinea-sleep \| i wonder what path wires take across the rocky's from Denver
13:20	@mikegrb	they go through china
13:20	@mikegrb	they are sneaky that way
13:21		guinea-sleep \| because the hop from denver to sntcca (santa clara?) is longer than nyc to denver
13:21		guinea-sleep \| how's theplanet's network going?
13:22	tjfontaine	swimmingly
13:22		guinea-sleep \| i know that word
13:31	Surferdude	Hi, does anyone have an IRCD running on their linode that i can try?
13:31		guinea-sleep \| heh
13:31		guinea-sleep \| dude
13:31		guinea-sleep \| you're connected to one
13:31		guinea-sleep \| right. now.
13:32	@mikegrb	hah
13:32	@mikegrb	a cookie for guinea-sleep
13:33		guinea-sleep \| cookies in bed? YAAAY!
13:33	@mikegrb	:D
13:33		guinea-sleep \| sigh
13:33		guinea-sleep \| i removed locales from my linode ages ago
13:34		guinea-sleep \| but my current SCREEN session still has $LANG set, heh
13:34		guinea-sleep \| so $AGES < $AGE($SCREEN)
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14:27	pknetworks	Hey mike when did you become a OP?
14:27	pknetworks	Just curious. :)
14:27	tjfontaine	few weeks ago when he got hired
14:27	kvandivo	browse the forum
14:27	tjfontaine	or you mean netop?
14:28	tjfontaine	he became a netop some time ago after being a netrep because of sponsoring a server orion.oftc.net (which is hosted on a linode)
14:29	tizen	wow
14:30	tizen	what type of linode
14:30	tizen	you'd think that an ircd would use a nice chunk of I/O
14:30	tjfontaine	not really
14:30	pknetworks	Ok chat with you all late.r
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14:30	tjfontaine	I believe initially it was on an L128
14:30	tizen	i suppose it depends on user count and amount of logging
14:30	tjfontaine	and maybe actually first on an L64
14:31	tjfontaine	initially orion.oftc.net was merely a hub
14:31	tjfontaine	it wasn't until recently that orion made it's way to rotation
14:31	tjfontaine	orion has even survived a DC migration
14:32	tizen	I swear you just sit here and soak up info
14:32	tizen	lol
14:32	tizen	You're the #linode sponge
14:33	kvandivo	well, 'tjfontaine' is actually just a bot
14:33	kvandivo	so ya, that's basically what it is doing
14:33	tjfontaine	:)
14:33	kvandivo	botsnack
14:33		* tjfontaine gobbles, thanks kvandivo
14:34	kvandivo	it's just got a highly sophisticated language parser that makes you think it is real
14:34	tizen	haha, makes sense
14:34	tizen	;)
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14:36	tizen	wow
14:36	tizen	I will never ever ever use that script
14:36	tizen	(® (KELEBEK Script v7.2) ®) Mutlaka Download Edin! Savaþa HaYýR!!!,Korsana Hayýr !!!,Yasla Baþýný Degajeme Doðru , Orjinal'den Kopya ,Ben Yaptým Sen Yapma .Kelebek Script 7.2 Yüklemesini Web Sitemizden Yapabilirsiniz. (® www.SuperASK.net ®) <--- How can you need that long of a Quit message to advertise.
14:37	kvandivo	and when other people repeat it, it makes the message that much more effective
14:38	tizen	except I'm making note of an injustice done to my eyes
14:38	tjfontaine	and my bandwidth (and server and hubs bandwdiths)
14:38	tjfontaine	and those lurking in #linode
14:39	linbot	Take me to your leader
14:39	tjfontaine	or die by the fly guy
14:40	tizen	i need to find a way to backup 60gb
14:40	tizen	lol
14:41	@caker	lol?
14:41		* caker ponders
14:41	tjfontaine	hahah
14:41	tjfontaine	awesome
14:41	tjfontaine	it hasn't be /loaded
14:41	tjfontaine	s/be/been
14:41	tjfontaine	/
14:42	tjfontaine	bugger all nap time
14:42	kvandivo	tizen: 3.5 inch floppies.. definitely 3.5 inch floppies..
14:42	tizen	that's why i'm laughing
14:42	tizen	I'm looking at my disk drive
14:42	tizen	lol
14:43	tizen	stupid ntfs not being convertable to ext3
14:43	tizen	last remaining part of microsoft on my computer
14:43	tizen	that ntfs drive
14:43	kvandivo	or, i could send you my 50 invites to gmail, you could install that gmail filesysetem thing, and use that.. you could probably compress 60 to 50
14:43	tizen	well, a couple fonts too
14:43	tjfontaine	kvandivo: good idear
14:43	tizen	I can't see that being all that fast
14:43	tizen	lol
14:44	kvandivo	man, you _do_ think this is a funny situation
14:44	tizen	yes i do
14:44	tjfontaine	haw haw underlines
14:44	tizen	its also sad.
14:45	bendy24	shh2chhhhhhhyy nnnyhunyhn3n21nb~44x57~8~
14:45	tjfontaine	hi zach
14:45	kvandivo	na.. that was just line noise.. his 1200 baud modem is acting up again
14:45	tizen	caker: btw, due to linode, i discovered ubuntu
14:45	tjfontaine	kvandivo: oh.
14:46	tizen	which finally got me to fully switch to linux
14:46	tizen	so, thanks :)
14:47	kvandivo	how apropos that ubuntu means 'humanity to others' in light of your story
14:50	kvandivo	caker, just curious.. you get my email and working on digesting it?
14:57	@caker	kvandivo: hmm
14:57	@caker	kvandivo: I don't think I received an email from you
14:57	kvandivo	ok.. that would explain lots..
14:58	@caker	ahh, found it
14:59	tizen	caker: what do you use to sort emails.. you must get a ton
14:59	@caker	tizen: just a crapload of filters
14:59	@caker	tizen: and POPfile for spam ...
14:59	tizen	ah
15:00	tizen	Thunderbird ?
15:01	@caker	occasionally -- I tested it last week for a week. Me likes
15:02	tizen	Yeah, i really like it myself... I have noticed its slower on linux than windows though
15:02	Redgore	Ill always be a evolution fan myself
15:02	tizen	ubuntu comes with evolution default, but i removed that quickly
15:03	tizen	Firefox should always be pared with Thunderbird
15:03	kvandivo	once i came up with a way to fake thunderbird into letting me pipe messages to spamassassin for training, i decided i could be happy with it
15:03	@caker	Thunderbird is a wonky name, IMO
15:03	Redgore	opera is my browser of choice
15:04	tizen	i like thunderbird's built-in spam filter kvandivo, almost no false positives
15:04	kvandivo	sa is my second line of defense, and the email program itself is my 3rd
15:05	@caker	tizen: in a weeks worth of training, it was pretty good (we're talking easily 500-1000 spam messages I classified)
15:05	tizen	yeah, i just restarted training it when i moved to linux, the installer somehow thought my 20gb backup partition was a good place to format as swap
15:05	tizen	so... it's getting better
15:06	@caker	"the installer" :)
15:06	tizen	I don't know if the spammers are trying to tell me something or not, but if I filter cialis i remove probably 80% of the spam I get.
15:06	@caker	as in, the person installing?
15:06		* kvandivo smirks.
15:06	tizen	caker: That's a definate possibility
15:06	@caker	:(
15:07		* caker drinks some more coffee
15:07	tizen	actually, what happend, was it made a 6th partition on the drive, but it overlapped with the 5th which was the backup
15:07		* linbot dispenses coffee
15:08	tizen	so when i reorginized the partition table
15:08	tizen	i couldn't mount it
15:08	tizen	whatever, forced clean up
15:09	tizen	my drive has a lot less junk now
15:09	tizen	lol
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15:13	pknetworks	Hey can someone tell me why I would have a n open session on Lish
15:14	pknetworks	"there is a screen on: 31263.######## (Attached)
15:14	pknetworks	and I know that it was me and I lost my connection when I tried to log back in to Lish that is what I get
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15:19	Redgore	hmm has TP recently had backbone improvements ?
15:19	Redgore	my bot seems more stable than usual
15:20	adamg	they did some fibre re-work a week or so ago
15:29	linbot	New news from forums: New Feature - Reverse DNS Manager in Linode.com Announcements
15:34	kvandivo	linbot, a url would be a cool thing to add there
15:39	@caker	!supybot.plugins.RSS.showLinks True
15:39	@caker	!config supybot.plugins.RSS.showLinks True
15:39	linbot	caker: The operation succeeded.
15:39	@caker	linbot: botsnack
15:39	linbot	thanks caker :)
15:39	kvandivo	nifty
15:40	adamg	boys and their bots
15:42	Redgore	linbot: list RSS
15:42	linbot	Redgore: add, announce, forums, forums2, info, remove, rss, theplanet, umldevel, umluser, and wiki
15:42	Redgore	linbot: RSS forums2 1
15:42	Redgore	linbot: RSS forums 1
15:42	linbot	Redgore: New Feature - Reverse DNS Manager in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=405>;
15:43	adamg	!rss theplanet
15:43	linbot	adamg: The Planet is the First Hosting Provider to Release the Newly Available Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 <http://www.theplanet.com/about/releases/02282005.html>; \|\| The Planet adds Internet Security Systems’ RealSecure Server Sensor to Product Lineup <http://www.theplanet.com/about/releases/02242005.html>; \|\| The Planet adds Arbor Peakflow for Most Advanced Security Monitoring Available (5 more messages)
15:43	Redgore	supybot's are fun
15:44	adamg	i have one somewhere just not had the chance to play with it
15:44	Redgore	I have one running on a network Im a founder of, irc.smdc-network.org in the main channel there, running off my Linode
15:46	@caker	!wiki
15:46	@caker	!rss wiki
15:46	@caker	Error: Couldn't get RSS feed
15:46	@caker	hmm
15:47	Redgore	!rss info wiki
15:47	linbot	Redgore: Title: LinodeWiki - Recent changes [en]; URL: <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Recentchanges>;; Description: Track the most recent changes to the wiki on this page.; Last updated time unavailable.
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16:11	adamg	caker, so this uml within side xen, does that mean you could port all the existing images and kernels and run them within the xen framework?
16:15	@caker	adamg: images, yes -- with some minor modifications, mostly relating to different /dev/ nodes for disk devices
16:16	@caker	adamg: the kernels need to be "Xen" kernels -- but Xen has both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels
16:17	adamg	so in theory you could port the images over to Xen without the users having any major changes and have the benifit of the reduced over head and all the other nice things about Xen
16:19	@caker	adamg: yeah, no theory -- I've done it
16:19	@caker	adamg: probably could roll it into a nice script
16:20	adamg	nice
16:21	adamg	means that people would not have to set-up new nodes if they moved to Xen
16:21	adamg	do you lose any of the Xen features or reduced overhead, since you are still using SKAS
16:21	adamg	?
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16:23	adamg	also does Xen have the 2.6 TLS issue
16:27	@caker	adamg: Ideally, I'd have some time of "Migrate to Xen" feature
16:27		* mikegrb migrates adamg to /dev/null
16:27	@caker	adamg: not sure what you're asking regarding SKAS
16:27	adamg	didnt you say that SKAS ran within Xen
16:27	@caker	adamg: yes, Xen still has issues with TLS -- although they have a low-performance emulation layer. Supposedly, they're coming out with a Xen-friendly libc package
16:28	@mikegrb	that would be spiffy
16:28	@caker	Yes, you can run SKAS-UMLs under Xen
16:28	schweeb	caker: sounds like pretty soon on that libc too
16:28	schweeb	from what I read on th emailing list
16:29	adamg	will be nice to see the performance increase with Xen
16:30	@caker	adamg: it's pretty damn impressive
16:31	schweeb	soon as I get my cable modem issue fixed, I'm back to working on Xen again
16:33	adamg	how long till you think you will start rolling out Xen hosts?
16:34	@caker	I'd like to run a beta in a few weeks
16:34	@caker	maybe sooner
16:34	@caker	maybe sooner for an informal/private beta, then a public beta of some sort
16:35	adamg	just about when the API should be done by
16:36	@caker	Xen looks to be 10-15x faster than UML in my UnixBench tests
16:36	@caker	(yes, those numbers are correct :)
16:36	adamg	nice
16:36	adamg	will be nice to see MySQL running under it
16:37	Newsome	sounds nice
16:37	schweeb	yea, except for the mysql part :p
16:37	adamg	people will still have the memory issue at least
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16:57	schweeb	argh... my dad just started flipping breakers without telling me
16:57	adamg	poor you
16:57	adamg	first unplugging the router and ap and then playing with breakers
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17:00	schweeb	also, the cable modem is broked... packet loss up the wazu
17:01	adamg	blame your dad and get him to buy a new one
17:02	schweeb	nah, it's the cable company's fault... could be the modem or the service
17:04	satyap	mmm, costco chk bake
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17:29	satyap	grr rmy email got delivered but i have no idea where it is
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17:38	satyap	apparently i have a mail loop
17:45	adamg	good for you
17:52	nyx	anyone here have problems with ssh on debian after a stable->testing upgrade?
17:54	satyap	not me, but i think i went to usntable
17:54	satyap	what kind of problem?
17:57	adamg	cant login as root?
18:00	EFudd	Hmmmm...
18:06	satyap	yikes zoneedit is expensive
18:09	satyap	recommended dns servers?
18:09	satyap	bind? maradns?
18:09	EFudd	http://yourlinode/bind\|\|if(want_http_editing+mysql(mydns))
18:13	@mikegrb	zoneedit is free for up to 5 domains
18:17	satyap	hmm
18:18	satyap	i was on a weird page that had options: free, $150, $250, or something
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19:20	---	User: *** guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-pig
19:20	nyx	xname.org is free
19:20	guinea-pig	what is it?
19:20	nyx	dns hosting :P
19:21	guinea-pig	oh
19:21	guinea-pig	i thought you meant the domain name was free
19:21	guinea-pig	hah
19:25	satyap	i'll go with everydns
19:25	satyap	as soon as i get email sorted out
19:25	guinea-pig	http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/2002to2003/lil2/ <-- the new hamster dance
19:35	kvandivo	let me get this straight.. guinea pig is telling us about hamsters..
19:37	guinea-pig	...
19:37	guinea-pig	RodenTV
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21:39	dizasta	nice client
21:39	@mikegrb	:D
21:39	tjfontaine	thanks
21:39	@mikegrb	dizasta: welcome
21:39	dizasta	who's an admin here?
21:40	bendy24	i am
21:40	bendy24	what can i do for you?
21:40	schweeb	certainly not mikegrb... he's not fully owned and operated by caker
21:40	@mikegrb	:<
21:40	@mikegrb	dizasta: what can I do for you?
21:41	bendy24	what can we do you for?
21:41	dizasta	lemme get on mirc
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21:41	dizasta	what network is this joint
21:41	@mikegrb	bendy24: ...
21:41	bendy24	mirc?
21:41	@mikegrb	dizasta: irc.oftc.net
21:41	bendy24	is that allowed here?
21:41	bendy24	mikegrb....
21:42	@mikegrb	yes
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21:43	@mikegrb	FreeBird: welcome
21:43	FreeBird	how to free the bsd?
21:43	@mikegrb	FreeBird: :D
21:43	@mikegrb	with a spork
21:43	FreeBird	ok.
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21:43	@mikegrb	:D
21:43	bendy24	mikegrb: i thought you said mirc wasnt allowed?
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21:44	dizasta	a couple of my clients in NYC use linodes
21:45	dizasta	trainnation.org
21:45	dizasta	of west side fame
21:45	dizasta	i'd like to resell for you guys
21:45	dizasta	and want to talk about setting that up
21:46	dizasta	i've got a company out here and one in DC doing project management, network security, and recruiting
21:46	tjfontaine	you'll need to discuss with caker
21:46	@mikegrb	We currently don't have a reseller program.
21:47	dizasta	ok
21:47	dizasta	i also have a colocate in DC running my business site
21:47	dizasta	LAMP setup
21:47	dizasta	i'm considering moving to a linode
21:48	dizasta	how long does it take to setup
21:48	tjfontaine	after cc validation it's almost instant
21:48	@mikegrb	After going through the signup process the account must be manually validated
21:48	tjfontaine	aye
21:48	@mikegrb	this is generally done within half an hour or so
21:49	@mikegrb	but if you come in here and ping caker or me we can do it then
21:49	dizasta	can you dns on my domains?
21:49	dizasta	and how many domains can i point at the single ip
21:50	tjfontaine	there is currently no DNS service
21:50	@caker	dizasta: unlimited, unless you need SSL certs for sites
21:50	tjfontaine	but you can host your own dns or utilize free services
21:54	dizasta	are the boxes backed up?
21:55	@mikegrb	they are raid mirrored
21:55	@mikegrb	there are how-to's in the forum an wiki for easy automated offsite backup though
22:03	nyx	stupid debian, ive upgraded my stable to unstable, and now i cant ssh to the thing :/
22:03	tjfontaine	debians fault?
22:04	nyx	prolly user error, but hey
22:04	tjfontaine	:)
22:06	dizasta	hahaha user error
22:06	dizasta	mike: are all the boxes 2.2ghz ?
22:07	@caker	dizasta: no, they're all 2.4Ghz-3Ghz dual proc
22:09	dizasta	how do you get 100mhz CMR off 40:1 contention ?
22:09	dizasta	wouldnt conention be 24-30: 1 ?
22:17	dizasta	?
22:19	@caker	that's the worst-case scenario -- generally it's much higher
22:20	@caker	There's only one box (host1) that has that CMR, the rest is way higher (do the math).
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23:11	satyap	sigh
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