| --- | Log | opened Wed Feb 09 00:00:08 2005 |
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| 09:19 | zavier | hello |
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| 10:05 | adamg | !seen caker |
| 10:05 | linbot | adamg: caker was last seen here 1 day, 18 hours, 44 minutes, and 17 seconds ago saying: <caker> ahh, no you're fine |
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| 10:18 | cout_ | seems my linode ran out of memory yesterday at around 6:30am (give or take 15 minutes) |
| 10:18 | cout_ | any ideas on how I can track that down for next time it happens? |
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| 12:18 | npmr | caker, what do you make of this: http://dorothy.movealong.org/mrtg/dorothy.swap.html ? |
| 12:19 | npmr | caker, there's been a gradual increase in swap usage since reboot, which is just a few days before the data begins |
| 12:20 | mikegrb | npmr: kernel swapping stuff out that hasn't been used |
| 12:20 | npmr | right, but why the buildup of dirty pages? |
| 12:21 | mikegrb | because your kernel is a dirty old man |
| 12:21 | npmr | hardy har... no really, why should there be a gradual accumulation of this stuff? |
| 12:21 | mikegrb | dunno |
| 12:22 | npmr | i/o bandwidth and loadavg haven't had that growth characteristic, so it's not really much of a concern |
| 12:23 | npmr | but i don't know whether i should expect a sudden explosion in disk activity or something once swap usage crosses some critical point |
| 12:23 | mikegrb | for what it's worth I believe I've seen that when I had mrtg graphing swap |
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| 13:25 | Toger | So, how does the Linode Plan Upgrade procedure work? |
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| 13:28 | adamg | Toger, support meet a support ticket asking for an upgrade |
| 13:28 | tjfontaine | you submit a ticket, and when its ready you'll see a button that will take care of the migration |
| 13:28 | Toger | adamg: did that. |
| 13:28 | Toger | tjfontaine: ah, ok. |
| 13:28 | Toger | Will my IP change? |
| 13:28 | tjfontaine | if you have to change DC's yes |
| 13:29 | adamg | what are you wanting to upgrade to? |
| 13:29 | Toger | 64 -> 96 |
| 13:29 | adamg | which dc? |
| 13:29 | Toger | host21, wherever that is. |
| 13:29 | tjfontaine | HE I believe |
| 13:30 | adamg | yeah think 24 was the last one there |
| 13:30 | adamg | caker is probably waiting for a linode to become free ther |
| 13:30 | tjfontaine | there is a possibility you'll have new ips |
| 13:31 | Toger | doh, that'll mean the migration will have more impacts. |
| 13:31 | adamg | hmm fresh coffee |
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| 15:59 | Artifex | !seen caker |
| 15:59 | linbot | Artifex: caker was last seen here 2 days, 0 hours, 37 minutes, and 59 seconds ago saying: <caker> ahh, no you're fine |
| 16:07 | linbot | New news from forums: Rate-limiting processes? in Performance and Tuning |
| 16:15 | Artifex | ok |
| 16:15 | Artifex | so |
| 16:15 | Artifex | i ordered a second node |
| 16:15 | Artifex | received an invoice and a charge receipt |
| 16:15 | Artifex | and my card has been charged |
| 16:15 | Artifex | but |
| 16:15 | Artifex | account does not seem to be active yet |
| 16:16 | Artifex | hasnt QUITE been the full 48 hours yet... but getting there :-) |
| 16:18 | Artifex | considering my first node took all of 20 minutes.... this seems a little odd |
| 16:18 | Artifex | :-) |
| 16:18 | heidi | not lately |
| 16:18 | heidi | he is getting overwhelmed with customers and such |
| 16:19 | Artifex | also, you'd think that considering i ordered for a full year, and have been a faitfull existing customer, there'd be some priority there.... |
| 16:19 | Artifex | eh, but maybe that's just idealistic dreaming :-) |
| 16:21 | heidi | he just got back in town from being gone for two weeks |
| 16:21 | heidi | I think he has a lot of cleanup to do |
| 16:22 | Artifex | well, the signup page said 48 hours... so I'll give him that |
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| 16:24 | Artifex | i'm not trying to be problematic or anything, just have a project that needs to get underway, and everythings on hold in the interim :-) |
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| 16:24 | origin2k | Does anyone know where to get the 2.6.10 uml patch? |
| 16:25 | origin2k | Hello |
| 16:26 | tierra|w | http://www.linode.com/~caker/uml/ <- probably somewhere in there |
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| 17:41 | Padraig | hi |
| 17:41 | Padraig | I have an emergency on my account...how quickly do the tickets get answered? |
| 17:47 | tizen | depends |
| 17:47 | tizen | anyways we can help you? |
| 17:48 | tizen | i don't know how to get them picked up fasted |
| 17:48 | tizen | faster |
| 17:48 | Padraig | hi ok |
| 17:48 | tizen | !seen cajker |
| 17:48 | linbot | tizen: I have not seen cajker. |
| 17:48 | tizen | !seen caker |
| 17:48 | linbot | tizen: caker was last seen here 2 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes, and 13 seconds ago saying: <caker> ahh, no you're fine |
| 17:48 | Padraig | wow |
| 17:48 | Padraig | I should have known that command lol |
| 17:48 | Padraig | anyway a client of mine |
| 17:49 | Padraig | logged in and stole my software that I run for him |
| 17:49 | Padraig | and installed it on another linode |
| 17:49 | Padraig | and didn't pay me for it |
| 17:49 | tizen | ... ok. |
| 17:49 | Padraig | I submitted a ticket to linode |
| 17:50 | tizen | Well, I don't know what you expect to get, but you'll deffinately need Caker. |
| 17:50 | Padraig | yeah ok |
| 17:50 | Padraig | I know what I want but I'll talk to caker about it |
| 17:50 | Padraig | I just thought he might be on |
| 17:50 | tizen | he might be, he's just quiet |
| 17:50 | mikegrb | lolz |
| 17:50 | tizen | lol |
| 17:52 | Padraig | ok |
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| 18:28 | tjfontaine | I don't know what he expects caker to do about it |
| 18:29 | heidi | shrug |
| 18:30 | heidi | well if he could prove that it is his and the guy was in a contract to pay if he used it, then caker could take the other linode away |
| 18:30 | heidi | thats about it |
| 18:31 | heidi | if there is a contract, the guy could file a lawsuit, but that wouldn't have anything to do with caker |
| 18:31 | tjfontaine | I don't think caker has any jurisdiction/right to suspend or carry out any penalty on the other account |
| 18:32 | heidi | i dont think so either |
| 18:32 | tjfontaine | as far as caker is concerned as long as each account is following his own terms of service theres not much recourse that can happen from cakers end |
| 18:32 | heidi | but i dont really know much |
| 18:32 | heidi | right |
| 18:32 | tierra|w | I don't think he can do anything until Padraig takes it to court, and an order is brought down |
| 18:32 | tjfontaine | it would certainly have to be taken care of in a more civil/legal binding arbitration |
| 18:34 | heidi | michael said the guy would need an injunction to shut down th node |
| 18:35 | heidi | that would be until a permanent ruling was made |
| 18:36 | adamg | and you would have to ask why this other guy had access to his linode anyway and why the sw was so easy to nick |
| 18:37 | heidi | yeah |
| 18:38 | heidi | well, the guy was his customer |
| 18:38 | heidi | so that explains the first part |
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| 19:08 | tsi | oh man debian is so... bsd |
| 19:09 | tjfontaine | is so kick ass |
| 19:10 | pdx6 | debian is actually pretty linux |
| 19:10 | pdx6 | now slackware... |
| 19:10 | tsi | i can't deal with these init scripts! |
| 19:10 | pdx6 | then start everything by hand |
| 19:11 | tjfontaine | ugh, sysv is da bomb |
| 19:11 | tsi | I was thinking, "oh man! after all these years i can try debian for my backup ns/mx!" |
| 19:11 | tsi | 2 minutes into booting and i've already given up |
| 19:11 | tsi | ;P |
| 19:11 | tjfontaine | hp-ux has init scripts |
| 19:11 | tjfontaine | in favor of? |
| 19:11 | tsi | redhat |
| 19:12 | tjfontaine | hah |
| 19:12 | | * tsi 50% serious, 50% troll |
| 19:12 | tjfontaine | redhat has init scripts as well |
| 19:12 | tjfontaine | /etc/init.d/ -> /etc/rc.d/init.d/ |
| 19:12 | | * mikegrb distills tjfontaine with adobe distiller |
| 19:12 | tjfontaine | o0 |
| 19:13 | tsi | right but rh's scripts make SENSE |
| 19:13 | tsi | ;P |
| 19:13 | tsi | and you never have to edit them! |
| 19:13 | tjfontaine | um |
| 19:13 | tsi | i guess that's more a stab at slack |
| 19:13 | tjfontaine | you don't have to edit deb |
| 19:13 | tjfontaine | ln -s /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d /usr/sbin/service |
| 19:13 | tjfontaine | and its RH |
| 19:14 | tjfontaine | and /etc/sysconfig is for the most part /etc/default/ |
| 19:15 | tjfontaine | not to mention apt-get in its original enviroment, as compared to trying to fix dep hell |
| 19:15 | tsi | yeah I know all about apt-get |
| 19:15 | tjfontaine | apt4rpm < real apt-get in debian |
| 19:15 | tsi | and i'd love to have that, but i frankly don't want to learn a new distro unless i'm on the clock |
| 19:15 | tjfontaine | dependency management is better held by urpmi in Mandrake |
| 19:15 | tjfontaine | linux is linux is linux |
| 19:16 | tsi | except for the parts that aren't |
| 19:16 | tjfontaine | if you say so |
| 19:30 | Artifex | yah, really the only differences between distributions are package management and preinstalled packages |
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| 19:31 | Artifex | and occasionally some philosophical quirks, like w/ gentoo |
| 19:31 | | * Artifex shrugs |
| 19:31 | ]p]Griswald | hrm... |
| 19:31 | ]p]Griswald | any reason why my node would complain about disk space? |
| 19:31 | ]p]Griswald | Avail: 1.5 GB |
| 19:32 | ]p]Griswald | Host 13 |
| 19:37 | tierra|w | is that 1.5GB partitioned and formatted |
| 19:37 | ]p]Griswald | it's part of the partition |
| 19:38 | guinea-pig | which partition? |
| 19:38 | ]p]Griswald | from df: |
| 19:38 | ]p]Griswald | /dev/ubda 4.8G 3.4G 1.5G 71% / |
| 19:38 | ]p]Griswald | it's the only partition ;P |
| 19:38 | tierra|w | how about inodes? df -i |
| 19:38 | ]p]Griswald | besides swap |
| 19:38 | ]p]Griswald | IFree: 0 |
| 19:38 | ]p]Griswald | ??? |
| 19:38 | tierra|w | yep |
| 19:38 | ]p]Griswald | I never heard of inodes... |
| 19:38 | tierra|w | you use Maildir format mail? |
| 19:39 | ]p]Griswald | mail dosen't work on the node |
| 19:39 | ]p]Griswald | failed many times trying to install various ones :P |
| 19:39 | tierra|w | well, something on your linode is creating massive amounts of files |
| 19:39 | ]p]Griswald | hmm... |
| 19:40 | ]p]Griswald | any suggestions on how to find out what? |
| 19:40 | tierra|w | inodes is where the filesystem saves file information... |
| 19:40 | tierra|w | hmm... finding out where you have thousands of files in one directory and figuring out whats creating them |
| 19:41 | tierra|w | for most people, that's usually Maildir (which creates one file per email sent/received) |
| 19:41 | ]p]Griswald | yeah, but the machine dosen't handle mail at all |
| 19:41 | tierra|w | checking up on /var/spool could be a good idea |
| 19:42 | ]p]Griswald | any incoming mail/whatever is handled by my POP3 server elsewhere |
| 19:42 | tierra|w | yeah, but that could mean spam is getting stuck in the queue |
| 19:42 | tierra|w | through whatever SMTP server your running |
| 19:43 | tierra|w | if it's not mail, I don't know what to tell you... do you run squid actually |
| 19:43 | tierra|w | ? |
| 19:43 | ]p]Griswald | drwxrwx--- 2 mail mail 8564736 Feb 9 19:42 clientmqueue/ |
| 19:43 | ]p]Griswald | no, no squid |
| 19:43 | ]p]Griswald | I can't even ls in that dir :P |
| 19:43 | ]p]Griswald | /var/spool/clientmqueue/ |
| 19:43 | tierra|w | ls | wc -l? |
| 19:44 | ]p]Griswald | still taking forever :X |
| 19:44 | ]p]Griswald | though, I did an rm -fr clientmqueue on it |
| 19:44 | ]p]Griswald | waited a few seconds |
| 19:44 | ]p]Griswald | cancelled it with CTRL+C |
| 19:44 | tierra|w | heh... alright, well, that would be the problem then I guess |
| 19:45 | ]p]Griswald | 188K IFree |
| 19:45 | ]p]Griswald | yeah |
| 19:45 | guinea-pig | be careful blindly rm'ing things |
| 19:45 | ]p]Griswald | it just finished listing |
| 19:45 | tierra|w | yeah |
| 19:45 | ]p]Griswald | yeah |
| 19:45 | ]p]Griswald | I know :) |
| 19:45 | ]p]Griswald | 163027 |
| 19:45 | ]p]Griswald | :X |
| 19:45 | tierra|w | 163,000 files? |
| 19:45 | ]p]Griswald | yeah |
| 19:45 | mikegrb | lolz |
| 19:45 | ]p]Griswald | lol |
| 19:45 | tierra|w | that would definately fill up your inodes |
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| 19:46 | ]p]Griswald | XD |
| 19:47 | ]p]Griswald | does postmaster or sendmail write to that dir? o.o |
| 19:47 | tierra|w | I can't believe I just fielded that problem so quick, fast, and nailed the problem right on... I don't typically know that much about linux to do that that good |
| 19:47 | mikegrb | lolz |
| 19:47 | ]p]Griswald | lol |
| 19:48 | ]p]Griswald | I've never known about Inodes though XD |
| 19:48 | ]p]Griswald | so that makes me more of a n00b |
| 19:48 | ]p]Griswald | ;D |
| 19:48 | tierra|w | any MTA uses /var/spool I believe... I don't know which your using... |
| 19:48 | tierra|w | heh |
| 19:48 | ]p]Griswald | well, the last thing I tried for mail was sendmail |
| 19:48 | ]p]Griswald | :P |
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| 19:49 | ]p]Griswald | because everything else failed |
| 19:49 | ]p]Griswald | so I just kept fucking it up worse and worse |
| 19:49 | tierra|w | yeah, probably the result of a misconfigured sendmail filling up /var/spool |
| 19:49 | guinea-pig | /var/spool/ is for m[4~ore than just mail, though |
| 19:49 | ]p]Griswald | :P |
| 19:49 | tierra|w | true |
| 19:49 | ]p]Griswald | it's only the clientmqueue thats full |
| 19:49 | guinea-pig | cron, cups, lpd, etc |
| 19:50 | ]p]Griswald | and mqueue |
| 19:50 | ]p]Griswald | so I assume it's all mail related |
| 19:50 | guinea-pig | one would assume mqueue is short for mail queue |
| 19:50 | tierra|w | how long ago were you playing with sendmail? |
| 19:50 | ]p]Griswald | quite a while ago |
| 19:50 | | * tierra|w is curious as to how long it took to fill up your inodes |
| 19:50 | ]p]Griswald | :) |
| 19:50 | ]p]Griswald | about a month ago |
| 19:50 | mikegrb | lolz |
| 19:50 | ]p]Griswald | lol |
| 19:50 | tierra|w | sounds about right |
| 19:52 | tierra|w | yeah, you'll want to check up on sendmail then and get it cleanly installed or uninstalled |
| 19:52 | tierra|w | so that doesn't happen again |
| 19:52 | ]p]Griswald | :) |
| 19:52 | tierra|w | or take the lazy route, and setup a cron job to clean out that folder every night =) |
| 19:52 | mikegrb | lolz |
| 19:52 | ]p]Griswald | lol |
| 19:52 | tierra|w | at least do the second suggestion until you get sendmail off of there |
| 19:53 | ]p]Griswald | it's called rpm --erase sendmail |
| 19:53 | ]p]Griswald | XD |
| 19:54 | tierra|w | rpm hell... in my experience, it never installs or uninstalls any package completely or cleanly (hence why I'm sure sendmail did that to you) |
| 19:54 | tierra|w | heh |
| 19:54 | tierra|w | anyway, at least you know what's up now |
| 19:58 | ]p]Griswald | :) |
| 19:58 | NetWolf | !seen caker |
| 19:58 | linbot | NetWolf: caker was last seen here 2 days, 4 hours, 37 minutes, and 12 seconds ago saying: <caker> ahh, no you're fine |
| 20:04 | ]p]Griswald | well |
| 20:05 | ]p]Griswald | sendmail is now fully uninstalled |
| 20:05 | ]p]Griswald | rpm of course, didn't uninstall it |
| 20:05 | ]p]Griswald | :P |
| 20:06 | tierra|w | heh |
| 20:29 | ]p]Griswald | oh yeah, and uh... thanks for the help, tierra|w :) |
| 20:29 | ]p]Griswald | tierra|w++ |
| 20:29 | tierra|w | np |
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| 21:35 | tjfontaine | Artifex: agreed |
| 21:43 | Artifex | tjfontaine: slowpoke |
| 21:44 | mikegrb | tjfontaine: agreed |
| 21:44 | tjfontaine | Artifex: had company over, sorry |
| 21:44 | tjfontaine | mikegrb: that I am a slowpoke? |
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| 21:44 | mikegrb | yoo better be |
| 21:44 | mikegrb | no |
| 21:44 | tjfontaine | Artifex: I need my W2 :) |
| 21:44 | mikegrb | teh linux |
| 21:44 | | * mikegrb W2's tjfontaine |
| 21:44 | tjfontaine | mikegrb: oh |
| 21:47 | Artifex | tjfontaine: i cant really help you with that... call perry :-) |
| 21:48 | tjfontaine | heh |
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| 21:48 | tjfontaine | can do |
| 21:51 | mikegrb | Elapsed Time: 0h13m19s |
| 21:52 | mikegrb | heidi's been on the phone a while |
| 21:52 | tjfontaine | o0 |
| 21:52 | mikegrb | have to wait for her so I can restart my torrent ;) |
| 21:52 | tjfontaine | heh |
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| 22:29 | tizen | hehe, Feb 9th... And I've used 195mb of transfer... I think my concerns about lack of bandwidth were a little overboard |
| 22:30 | tjfontaine | As of Thu Feb 10 03:30:16 2005 you are currently UNDER your set limit (80%). |
| 22:30 | tjfontaine | Input Bytes Xfer: 2.66 GiBs |
| 22:30 | tjfontaine | Otput Bytes Xfer: 14.09 GiBs |
| 22:30 | tjfontaine | ------------------------ |
| 22:30 | tjfontaine | Total Bytes Xfer: 16.74 GiBs of 75.00 available. |
| 22:30 | tjfontaine | EFudd++ |
| 22:44 | ]p]Griswald | Total: 6.99 GB |
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| 23:02 | mikegrb | Total Bytes Xfer: 14.89 GiBs of 75.00 available. |
| 23:02 | mikegrb | tj wins |
| 23:02 | npmr | i've used less than 1 |
| 23:13 | EFudd | Total Bytes Xfer: 20.18 GiBs of 75.00 available. |
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