TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2005:01:25

---	Log	opened Tue Jan 25 00:00:27 2005
00:06	@caker	linode.com any better now?
00:08	tierra\|w	yay!
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03:07	force	Hello
03:07	force	I need help
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03:31	psychoid	hello
03:32	psychoid	i have problem when installing ircd hybrid
03:32	psychoid	gcc -I../include -I../adns -O2 -g -DNDEBUG -DIRCD_PREFIX=\"/usr/local/ircd\" -c whowas.c
03:32	psychoid	yacc -d ircd_parser.y
03:32	psychoid	make[1]: yacc: Command not found
03:32	psychoid	make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127
03:32	psychoid	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/server/ircd-hybrid-ru/src'
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03:32	psychoid	make: *** [build] Error 2
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03:33	psychoidz	hello
03:33	psychoidz	i have problem
03:33	psychoidz	orion.oftc.net
03:33	psychoidz	gcc -I../include -I../adns -O2 -g -DNDEBUG -DIRCD_PREFIX=\"/usr/local/ircd\" -c whowas.c
03:33	psychoidz	yacc -d ircd_parser.y
03:33	psychoidz	make[1]: yacc: Command not found
03:33	psychoidz	make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127
03:33	psychoidz	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/server/ircd-hybrid-ru/src'
03:33	psychoidz	make: *** [build] Error 2
03:33	psychoidz	how to fix it>
03:33	psychoidz	how to fix it?
03:34	psychoidz	my os is redhat9.0
03:34	psychoidz	anybody home?
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03:37	psychoid	hello
03:40	psychoid	hello
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04:52	adamg	morning all
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05:14	npmr	linbot, roulette
05:14	linbot	npmr: click
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06:11	hierr	hi
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06:31	linbot	New news from forums: Activation in Sales Questions and Answers \|\| Activation in Sales Questions and Answers \|\| Activation in Sales Questions and Answers
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06:41	Nostromo	Caker, are you around?
06:42	Nostromo	jasonf - i've registered for linode :)
07:01	---	Channel: mode/#linode [+o linbot] by mikegrb
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09:40	mystic	how long did most peoples accounts take 2 setup?
09:40	mystic	if theres ne 1 here!!
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10:05	TehDan	I think caker is out of office, so things might take a little longer than usual.... mine was about 24 hrs tho
10:05	TehDan	also bear in mind he's quite a few hours behind you in the UK....
10:06	TehDan	!seen caker
10:06	@linbot	TehDan: caker was last seen here 2 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes, and 4 seconds ago saying: <caker> the village called, they want their idiot back
10:07	sunny	!weather 10001
10:07	@linbot	sunny: The current temperature in New York, New York is 28�F (9:51 AM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16�F. Pressure: 29.89 in (1012 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 2 out of 12
10:07	TehDan	err... i wouldn't believe that tho, I saw him here yesterday!
10:10	mystic	kool thanks for the help!
10:12	Nostromo	oh brother.
10:13	Nostromo	i think i saw 3 different people coming into this channel asking for registration help. not one of them spelled "cool" correctly, or even like the others.
10:14	mystic	erm i can spell kool how ever i want
10:14	mystic	i can even spell it kewl
10:16	@linbot	New news from forums: How long until activation? in Sales Questions and Answers \|\| How long until activation? in Sales Questions and Answers \|\| How long until activation? in Sales Questions and Answers
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10:24	jaxn	is something going on with one of the boxes?
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10:58	nick\|work	hey guys
10:58	---	User: *** nick\|work is now known as nickfuyry
10:58	---	User: *** nickfuyry is now known as nickfury
10:58	dddshroom_	hey
11:00	nickfury	what's the good word
11:02	dddshroom_	the bad word is io_tokens
11:02	nickfury	hehe
11:02	nickfury	u familiar in debian bro?
11:03	dddshroom_	I used it a long time ago, I use gentoo now
11:03	nickfury	well
11:03	nickfury	i am having alittle problem
11:03	nickfury	i don't even thgink it's really what distro i am using personally
11:03	nickfury	but i have a domain name attached to my server.
11:03	nickfury	one sepecifically that does not seem to allow to recieve emails other than from people local to the server
11:03	nickfury	all my other email address work
11:03	nickfury	but it seems these can't get external emails from others.
11:04	nickfury	i was jsut wodner if i overlooked something
11:04	TehDan	try dpkg-reconfigure exim
11:04	nickfury	i don't use exim
11:04	TehDan	or dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config if you're using sarge
11:04	TehDan	ah. what do you use?
11:04	nickfury	i'm using a postfix, dracd config
11:04	nickfury	maybe i should be using exim though
11:04	nickfury	but .
11:05	nickfury	otherwise, this is what i am set with now
11:05	TehDan	postfix should be fine, that's what I use.
11:05	TehDan	does the myhostname in your main.cf resolve to your linode IP?
11:06	TehDan	better 1st question: is port 25 open?
11:07	TehDan	and does your mydestination include the domain you want delivered locally?
11:07	nickfury	hrrm,
11:07	nickfury	good points
11:07	nickfury	let me check some shit out and get back to you o that
11:08	nickfury	i think your right though
11:08	nickfury	that domain might not resolve
11:08	nickfury	acutally
11:08	nickfury	could you test?
11:08	nickfury	send to adrian@cyanstudios.ca
11:08	TehDan	also: you should disabled dracd until local delivery is working
11:08	nickfury	tell me if yo uget a bounce back
11:08	TehDan	happy to
11:08	TehDan	what's your domain?
11:08	nickfury	eh?
11:08	TehDan	you said you were using dracd?
11:08	nickfury	yes sir
11:09	TehDan	you only need that if you want external users to send mail to other external users via your server
11:09	nickfury	yes
11:09	nickfury	i got that working fine
11:09	nickfury	it checks, adds my ip to the list for 30 minutes
11:09	nickfury	so i can relay
11:09	nickfury	so it's nothing to do with dracd then
11:09	TehDan	okay, well i haven't used it so I can't gaurantee that...
11:09	nickfury	umm i havent' touched my postfix config in a while, where isi t located again
11:10	nickfury	the main.cf
11:10	nickfury	i've forgotten
11:10	TehDan	what is your domain? have you set up an mx record?
11:10	nickfury	yes...
11:10	nickfury	i got that all working fine
11:10	nickfury	cyanstudios.ca doesn resovle to my box
11:10	TehDan	etc/postfix/main.cf
11:10	nickfury	ahh thanks
11:10	nickfury	ok well
11:10	nickfury	straight off the bat
11:10	nickfury	i need to add domains to the mydomain = line right
11:10	nickfury	for those domains to properly get email?
11:11	TehDan	ah look, your on the same host as me.
11:11	nickfury	200?
11:11	nickfury	nice. neighbours :P
11:11	nickfury	ok well
11:11	nickfury	myhostname = cyanstudios
11:11	nickfury	mydomain = adrianstiegler.com
11:11	nickfury	is my myhostname and mydomain line
11:11	nickfury	do i need to add cyanstudios.ca to the mydomain ?
11:12	nickfury	as in. adding a domain every time to this line ?
11:12	TehDan	yeah - postfix will accept mail for any valid user (or alias) at any mydestination
11:12	TehDan	you need myhostname to be cyanstudios.ca
11:12	nickfury	but
11:12	nickfury	will that mean that adrianstiegler.com won't work then ?
11:13	TehDan	no, you need to add that to mydestination
11:13	nickfury	hrrm
11:13	nickfury	my mydestination line
11:13	nickfury	mydestination = $myhostname localhost.$mydomain localhost $mydomain
11:13	nickfury	as so
11:13	TehDan	okay just stick adrianstiegler.com on the end of that
11:13	nickfury	but what about cyanstudios.ca
11:13	nickfury	that replaces the mydomain ?
11:14	TehDan	myhostname = cyanstudios.ca will take care of that
11:14	TehDan	you can set mydomain as that too
11:14	nickfury	but what will taking away the adrianstiegler.com do?
11:14	nickfury	so your telling me i should change myhostname from 'cyanstudios' to 'cyanstudios.ca'
11:14	TehDan	your myhostname needs to be inside mydomain, you can't use different domains for both
11:14	nickfury	and mydomain to 'cyanstudios.ca' as well
11:15	TehDan	yes
11:15	nickfury	and
11:15	nickfury	add any domains i want as well
11:15	TehDan	and put your other domain on mydestination
11:15	nickfury	to the end of mydestination
11:15	TehDan	yep
11:15	nickfury	but.. what if i have alot of other domains
11:15	nickfury	i need to add those aas well
11:15	nickfury	for them to receieve the mail correctly
11:15	nickfury	?
11:16	TehDan	yes, otherwise postfix will either refuse to relay them or throw them back because it doesn't know where to pass them onto
11:16	nickfury	i see is ee
11:17	nickfury	ok
11:17	nickfury	main.cf saved
11:17	nickfury	i'm guesing a postfix restart is in order
11:17	TehDan	that'll do it
11:17	nickfury	err reload
11:17	nickfury	ok reloaded.
11:17	TehDan	okay, do "postfix check"
11:17	TehDan	itll tell you if there's anything wrong with the config files
11:17	nickfury	hrrm
11:17	nickfury	postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts and /etc/hosts differ
11:18	TehDan	whats in your /etc/hosts
11:18	nickfury	#127.0.0.1 cyanstudios.ca sandbox
11:18	nickfury	127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
11:18	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios
11:18	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios
11:18	nickfury	someting doens't seem right here
11:18	nickfury	my /etc/hostname
11:18	nickfury	is "cyanstudios'
11:18	TehDan	ah, that needs to be cyanstudios.ca really
11:19	nickfury	not cyanstudios.cyanbstuduios.ca? right
11:19	nickfury	or the hostname
11:19	TehDan	Yes: that would make more sense....
11:19	nickfury	as long as the hostname matches in the hosts file
11:19	nickfury	it sholdn't matter.
11:19	nickfury	it's just a name
11:19	TehDan	yeah, and in fact you'll probably need to set myhostname to cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca as well
11:20	TehDan	(in main.cf)
11:20	nickfury	i don't understand
11:20	nickfury	why all these changes
11:20	nickfury	it's just cyanstidios that is triping
11:20	TehDan	well /etc/hostname probably isn't critical, but I suspect postfix will be upset if I can't resolve myhostname via /etc/hosts
11:21	nickfury	well
11:21	nickfury	the /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts file
11:21	nickfury	reads as
11:21	nickfury	#127.0.0.1 cyanstudios.ca sandbox
11:21	nickfury	127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
11:21	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios
11:21	nickfury	i ahve a feeling
11:21	nickfury	if i just add that extra line
11:21	nickfury	to the bottom
11:21	nickfury	i'm good
11:21	TehDan	worth a try....
11:21	nickfury	i added that line
11:21	nickfury	and did a postfix check
11:21	nickfury	no problems now
11:22	nickfury	can you send an email to adrian@cyanstudios.ca
11:23	nickfury	i've forgotten why i put a cyanstudios. before each domain
11:23	nickfury	in my hosts file
11:23	nickfury	is there a reason for hta
11:23	TehDan	its in your queue as 4F05462563
11:23	TehDan	(type mailq)
11:24	nickfury	test message from TehDan...
11:24	nickfury	so i guess it went through
11:24	TehDan	excellent.
11:24	nickfury	something is wierd
11:24	nickfury	sec
11:24	nickfury	ok
11:24	nickfury	can you do one more test/
11:24	nickfury	for me?
11:24	TehDan	I relayed it to your machine manually, so the headers might look odd.
11:25	nickfury	send to dave@cyanstudios.ac
11:25	nickfury	ac =ca
11:25	nickfury	same idea.
11:25	TehDan	sure
11:25	nickfury	just want to check his mail
11:25	nickfury	because he wasnt' getting mail from external users
11:25	TehDan	250 Ok: queued as AA5DD62563
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11:26	nickfury	nice
11:26	nickfury	i have mail :P
11:26	TehDan	grat.
11:26	nickfury	Test (2)
11:26	nickfury	great.
11:26	nickfury	that works then
11:26	TehDan	"great"....
11:26	nickfury	i guess it was the hosts
11:26	nickfury	i mean
11:26	nickfury	the /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosets file
11:26	nickfury	seems to differ.. so i guess making the change did that
11:27	npmr	why are you changing /etc/hosts?
11:27	TehDan	odd. there's probably a command to update that, I had the something similar when I manually edited /etc/aliasis the other day
11:27	npmr	i thought we had that all worked out a month ago?
11:27		* TehDan knows nothing of this month ago of which you speak
11:28	npmr	TehDan, i know
11:30	TehDan	I think the hosts were okay, it was just conflicting with info in /etc/postfix/main.cf
11:32	nickfury	npmr
11:32	nickfury	i had to correct the hosts file to be the same as the hosts file used in the spool
11:32	nickfury	that's all
11:37	ref	yay... linode.com works again :)
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11:41	npmr	nickfury, why were they different in the first place?
11:41	nickfury	no idea
11:41	nickfury	i must have added the domain cyanstudios.ca to my /etc/hosts file
11:41	nickfury	and .. not knowing that a copy is made i guess
11:41	nickfury	for postfix
11:41	nickfury	i thought.. it was just that file i had to worry about it
11:41	npmr	why did you add anything at all to your hosts file?
11:41	nickfury	well
11:41	SupaDongzu	oh hi nickfury
11:42	SupaDongzu	haven't seen you in a while
11:42	nickfury	i thought i had to add domains that were pointing to my server to the hosts
11:42	nickfury	SupaDongzu ya man .. how are ya
11:42	npmr	man, if annie or shelley make my sandwich, everything is fine
11:42	SupaDongzu	I normally spot you in an instant, on account of I have "nick" listed as a highlight word (being my first name)
11:42	npmr	but as soon as someone else in the shop makes it,
11:42	npmr	it's got onion or tomato or something on it
11:43	nickfury	npmr i remember both of us , and SupaDongzu talking about hostnames and all this hsots shit a while ago, when i we fixed my postfix config
11:43	SupaDongzu	yeah
11:43	nickfury	so i'm guessing adding domains to the hosts file
11:43	nickfury	isn't correct.
11:43	npmr	yeah, exactly
11:43	npmr	and we had that stuff _settled_
11:43	nickfury	well
11:44	nickfury	that was before cyanstudios.ca worked o my server
11:44	nickfury	but ideally what you are saying
11:44	nickfury	is i don't need those cyanstudios.ca entries
11:44	nickfury	in my etc hosts file
11:44	SupaDongzu	yes
11:44	SupaDongzu	what you need is DNS pointing to you
11:44	npmr	if you want to add virtual domains, or aliases
11:44	SupaDongzu	then your box will figure it out just like everyone else
11:45	npmr	those are part of your servers configs
11:45	npmr	e.g. /etc/postfix/main.cf
11:45	nickfury	right
11:45	nickfury	so ideally i just want my hostname and it's base in the hosts file
11:45	nickfury	everything else, just.. get's delivered to the users mailbox
11:46	SupaDongzu	you want to list the hostnames in the "we accept mail for this host" setting
11:46	SupaDongzu	not in /etc/hosts
11:46	SupaDongzu	think of /etc/hosts as an old vestigial pre-dns hack
11:46	nickfury	right right
11:46	SupaDongzu	you used to have to download a new one from the internic every week
11:46	nickfury	so.. the domains i will allow mail to pass through, are always always always set in the main.cf correct?
11:47	SupaDongzu	because new hosts were joining the ARPAnet every month, and names were changing
11:48	SupaDongzu	how do you mean "pass through"?
11:48	SupaDongzu	do you mean relay?
11:48	SupaDongzu	or deliver?
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11:48	nickfury	both
11:48	nickfury	deliver
11:48	nickfury	that was my.. problem before
11:49	nickfury	it wasn't allowing any cyanstudios.ca emails through
11:49	nickfury	just bouncing htem back
11:49	nickfury	they work now, but it seemed to start working when i made sure the two hosts file were the same
11:49	nickfury	ut
11:49	nickfury	i think its just working because
11:50	nickfury	it seems to be. "hardcoded" into the hosts file
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11:52	SupaDongzu	okay
11:52	SupaDongzu	wel
11:52	SupaDongzu	part of the problem last time
11:52	SupaDongzu	is that your hosts file was trumping DNS with bogus data
11:53	SupaDongzu	so once you stopped putting nonsense into /etc/hosts, things started working properly
11:53	SupaDongzu	the issue wasn't that you put something useful in, but that you took out something destructive
11:53	SupaDongzu	so
11:54	SupaDongzu	just get a backup copy of /etc/hosts and fix it again
11:55	SupaDongzu	or dike out the bogus lines you added
11:56	nickfury	ok well
11:56	nickfury	allow me to show you something
11:56	nickfury	i remember when you, me and npmr sat down
11:56	nickfury	and worked out my postfix shit..
11:56	nickfury	this was for adrianstiegler.com the domain
11:56	nickfury	well.. since my server isn't based around my adrianstiegler.com domain anymore
11:56	nickfury	and is based on cyanstudios.ca
11:56	nickfury	i probably should do the required changes to bring that up to date
11:56	nickfury	main.cf seems to be fine
11:57	nickfury	i guess it's really just my hosts file
11:57	nickfury	let me paste it so yo ucan see what i mean
11:57	nickfury	#127.0.0.1 cyanstudios.ca sandbox
11:57	nickfury	127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
11:57	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios
11:57	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios
11:57	nickfury	so.. that's basically what it is now ..
11:57	nickfury	the first line being the line we got rid of last time
11:57	nickfury	my etc/hostname is 'cyanstudios'
11:58	nickfury	so those two lines are fine, the last one, probably not nessecary anymore right
11:59	npmr	adrianstiegler.com vs. cyanstudios.ca
11:59	npmr	pick one
11:59	nickfury	cyanstudios.ca
11:59	nickfury	is the main now
11:59	nickfury	cyan being the server name now
12:00	npmr	your mail server can host as many domains as you want, but the system can only live in one
12:00	nickfury	i see
12:00	nickfury	do i need the cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca
12:00	nickfury	or can i just have cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios
12:00	npmr	you said cyan
12:00	nickfury	wel
12:00	nickfury	yea i know
12:00	npmr	that would make it cyan.cyanstudios.ca
12:00	nickfury	but the hostname
12:00	nickfury	is cyanstudios
12:01	nickfury	i don't see why having cyan. in front of it does anything tough
12:01	nickfury	err though
12:01	npmr	so?
12:01	nickfury	so.. can you explain?
12:02	nickfury	oh i see
12:02	npmr	if your hostname is cyanstudios
12:02	nickfury	you need the hostname
12:02	nickfury	i thought the right edge of that line toko care of that
12:02	nickfury	the 'cyanstudios' part
12:02	npmr	and your fully-qualified hostname is cyanstudios.ca
12:02	npmr	than that means "ca" is your domain
12:02	npmr	i think you want cyanstudios.ca to be your domain
12:02	nickfury	yea
12:03	nickfury	but the hosts file doens't seem to be in any trouble right now anyway
12:03	nickfury	things are working as is
12:03	npmr	ok
12:03	npmr	what does "hostname" say?
12:03	nickfury	the file /etc/hostname
12:03	nickfury	reads as 'cyanstudios'
12:03	npmr	run the command "hostname"
12:04	npmr	paste the output
12:04	nickfury	same
12:04	npmr	and "hostname -f"?
12:04	nickfury	cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com
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12:04	nickfury	thay should probably be flushed out now
12:05	nickfury	since the hosts file reads with just the localhost and now cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca
12:05	nickfury	how do i get rid of the .adrainstiegler.com extension now again/
12:05	npmr	"domain"
12:05	npmr	"extensions" are for filenames
12:05	nickfury	sorry.
12:06	npmr	is it is your /etc/hosts?
12:06	nickfury	127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
12:06	nickfury	#65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios
12:06	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios
12:06	npmr	ok
12:06	nickfury	i commented out the adrianstiegler.com oen
12:06	npmr	does "hostname -f" say cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca now?
12:06	nickfury	yea
12:06	nickfury	it does
12:06	nickfury	i gues that's all i had to d o
12:06	npmr	ok
12:07	npmr	generally, yes
12:07	nickfury	cool
12:07	npmr	but if you are running the name service caching daemon (nscd), you may have to restart it
12:07	nickfury	ya.. i just fell behind to make that change
12:07	npmr	most people don't though
12:07	nickfury	ya. i'm good i think
12:10	nickfury	hrrrm
12:11	nickfury	seems cyanstudios.ca email isn't; coming.
12:11	nickfury	sec
12:11	nickfury	acutally
12:11	nickfury	my adrianstiegler.com mail isn't working now
12:11	nickfury	so something is wierd.
12:11	nickfury	postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts and /etc/hosts differ
12:11	nickfury	ohh
12:11	nickfury	same error
12:12	nickfury	i just have to change my /var/spool one i think now
12:13	nickfury	ya.. something is wierd now .
12:13	nickfury	adrianstiegler.com mail now will not come through
12:13	nickfury	Final-Recipient: rfc822;adrian@adrianstiegler.com
12:13	nickfury	Action: failed
12:13	nickfury	Status: 5.0.0
12:13	nickfury	Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 <adrian@adrianstiegler.com>: User unknown
12:29	@caker	linbot: weather 19104
12:29	@linbot	caker: The current temperature in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is 32�F (11:54 AM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 19�F. Wind: WNW at 12 mph (18 km/h). Pressure: 29.94 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 2 out of 12
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12:36	tsi	i didn't know infobot could take zipcodes
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12:36	tsi	that sure beats knowing weather station codes
12:38	tsi	i haven't even read the bind9 post and i like it already. more people should write about the solutions they find instead of just leaving it hanging
12:38		* tsi guilty
12:42	adamg	caker hows things going?
12:46	npmr	tsi, it's not infobot
12:49	fo0bar	http://macmini.purestatic.com <-- screw linode, I'm colocating a mac mini!
12:52	nickfury	hehge
12:52	nickfury	it is interesting
12:55	nickfury	although
12:55	nickfury	a minimac
12:55	nickfury	running 24/7?
12:55	nickfury	not very.... trusting
12:55	nickfury	especially at that size
12:55	nickfury	wer're talking laptop drives
12:57	fo0bar	... I've been using the same 60GB laptop drive since 2001 (it cost a mint back then), nearly 24/7, across 2 laptop replacements, without a problem
12:58	fo0bar	and the mac would be mostly stationary
12:58	nickfury	LOFL!!!!!!
12:58	nickfury	http://www.compfused.com/directlink/593/
12:58	fo0bar	2.5" drives are slower, but I would say a LOT more reliable than standard ATA
12:59	nickfury	meh.
12:59	nickfury	i'm not sure about that
12:59	nickfury	the whole .. 24/7 minimac thing
12:59	nickfury	i'll pick a normal box anyday.. to be honest
13:00	fo0bar	I probably would too, but I wouldn't completely reject this idea
13:00	nickfury	bah.
13:01	nickfury	i'm perfer to work on a mac for my artwork etc etc
13:01	nickfury	i'll leave servers up to the professionals :)
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13:03	tsi	2.5 has a way higher mtbf, and your anecdotal evidence probably isn't under the same workload that a server would be under -- even a lightly loaded server
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13:04	nickfury	a mini mac running at 1.4 ghz
13:04	nickfury	would be equal to what in Intel ?
13:05	ref	pentium 200Mhz
13:05	nickfury	hrrm
13:05	tsi	i'd also say "how retarded, it only has one power supply" but then again the xserve also suffers this design flaw
13:05	nickfury	so really.. it doesn't even compare still
13:05	nickfury	tsi
13:05	nickfury	when were apple computers EVER about options?
13:06	tsi	hey, I love apple and even have 10 xserve raids
13:06	ref	you have color options :P
13:06	nickfury	laff
13:06	nickfury	exactly.
13:06	nickfury	so' we're talking ... simplified solutions
13:06	nickfury	that's it
13:06	ref	lime or blue or red? take your pick!
13:06	nickfury	they go with your OS too.. the nice big three colorful balls )
13:06	nickfury	haha
13:06	ref	i think the lime is a better computer than the red!
13:06	ref	but that's just me...
13:07	nickfury	i think people need to stop buying apple's becaue of looks and go look at some SICK ass sony workstations
13:07		* npmr has an account on a lime imac running debian
13:07	tsi	the cpu power/storage/memory density is just so low on a rack of minimacs that it boggles the mind
13:07	nickfury	those are.. worth every penny
13:07	fo0bar	nickfury: NEVER use that word around here
13:07	nickfury	laff.
13:07	nickfury	sony :)
13:07	tsi	eww sony
13:07	nickfury	what's worng with sony
13:07	tsi	the brokenest breaking breaker that ever broke
13:07	nickfury	laff.
13:08	nickfury	as they lead the processor race right
13:08	nickfury	haha
13:08	fo0bar	what tsi said
13:08	npmr	i have a very nice sony it-b3
13:08	nickfury	stop hating
13:08	npmr	everyone should have the pleasure of using one
13:08	fo0bar	and they charge an arm and a leg for everything, even more so than apple
13:08	tsi	their consumer electronics division is great, their computer people should be lined up and shot
13:08	nickfury	again
13:08	nickfury	Sony leads in the tech race
13:08	nickfury	so what arey ou complaining about?
13:08	fo0bar	what?
13:08	nickfury	what?
13:08	tsi	sony leads what in the what?
13:09	npmr	nickfury, we're more interested in the technology than the business
13:09	tsi	HUGALUGHALUGHALUGH
13:09	npmr	nickfury, frankly, i don't give a rat's ass who's "leading"
13:09	nickfury	u guys .... need to simma down :)
13:09	npmr	but on that note
13:09	nickfury	ur getting your underwear all in a knot over comptuers :)
13:09	npmr	SONY IT-B3
13:09	npmr	BEST IN CLASS
13:09		* nickfury searches
13:09	fo0bar	vaio battery $300, vaio power supply $150, vaio battery cover (1"x2" piece of plastic) $65
13:10	fo0bar	I LOVE SONY!
13:10	nickfury	i wanna get a ZenMicro
13:10	nickfury	i think those are pretty well developed
13:10	ref	$65 for plastic? is it hand-made?
13:10	tsi	that's typical laptop battery price
13:10	npmr	nickfury, do a google image search
13:10	nickfury	it's a phone ?
13:10	npmr	yes it is
13:11	npmr	and it is a very nice, very simple phone
13:11	npmr	like i said
13:11	npmr	Best in class.
13:11	fo0bar	okay... so their phones(?) are nice, but their computer products are crap
13:12	npmr	http://closetofdoom.com/view-from-above.jpg <-- my sony it-b3, in the old closet of doom
13:12	nickfury	and.. alienware?
13:13	npmr	and it's cheap
13:13	nickfury	http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=EhMbKRaPQG0bKFd5njYRIlmDgO7UQ3zLM1c=?CategoryName=cpu_VAIODesktopComputers_VSeries&Dept=cpu_VAIODesktopComputers
13:13	nickfury	wow.. nice sony monitor
13:13	nickfury	wish it was just a monitor though
13:15	pdx6	their video game systems are pretty nice
13:16	ref	i can't believe you have http://closetofdoom.com just for THAT
13:16	npmr	ha ha
13:17	tsi	then i guess you shouldn't visit my lame-o single page domains
13:17	ref	ow high is high-speed-uplink? :P
13:18	nickfury	sony's ps3 should be interesting .. for sure
13:18	ref	tsi: he doesn't even have a page! just apache generated dirlist
13:18	tsi	mmmm +Indexes
13:18	ref	*how high
13:19	npmr	http://goose.movealong.org/mrtg/goose.inet.html <-- ref
13:20	tsi	does out-of-the-box linksys firmware support snmp?
13:20	tsi	or is that something you need sveasoft for?
13:20	ref	oh... adsl
13:20		* ref soon to be on Comcast's 6Mbit/768kbit cable
13:20	tsi	i like that four hour porn movie download at 6pm
13:21	npmr	ha ha
13:21	tsi	errr i mean "database backup"
13:21	tsi	wink wink nudge nudge
13:21	ref	i think you mean "gay porn"
13:22	tsi	HUALUGHAULUGHALUGH
13:22		* ref goes back to work...
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13:25	Nostromo	init 6 is not enough to reboot a linode? i have to use the linode console?
13:32	tsi	status: WORKSFORME
13:32	tsi	NOTABUG
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13:35	npmr	i hate to disappoint you guys, but......
13:35	npmr	0 18 * * * root /usr/local/sbin/rsync-debian-mirror
13:35	npmr	http://debian.movealong.org/debian/
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13:46	Nostromo	why would that disappoint us?
13:47	npmr	not you
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13:47	Nostromo	ok, why would it disappoint in general?
13:48	npmr	please refer to the backscroll
13:48	npmr	approximately fifteen to twenty-five lines back
13:51	Nostromo	i saw those. i assume you mean the significant daily rsync'ing?
13:52	npmr	correct
13:53	npmr	based on the bandwidth graphs people were speculating about pr0n
13:53	SupaDongzu	hmmm
13:53	Nostromo	rsyncing pr0n.
13:53	Nostromo	hmmmmmk
13:53	Nostromo	kidding.
13:54	Nostromo	well, i find it hard to decide which is better. pr0n or debian mirrors.
13:54	Nostromo	that's just sick.
13:54	npmr	i can tell you which i more useful
13:54	Nostromo	hmm, i think i'll leave that one unanswered, if you don't mind.
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14:03	SupaDongzu	So I'm curious
14:04	SupaDongzu	or rather
14:04	SupaDongzu	I wonder if it wouldn't be wise to coordinate the various gentoo and debian mirrors
14:04	SupaDongzu	like
14:04	SupaDongzu	if it turns out that two people are mirroring debian
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14:04	SupaDongzu	surely one could mirror from the otehr
14:04	SupaDongzu	if they're in the same datacenter
14:17	tsi	do you trust fellow linode customers?
14:18	SupaDongzu	well that's why you centralize
14:19	SupaDongzu	if there are six debian mirrors on here
14:19	SupaDongzu	it may be worth it for caker to host one
14:19	rafx	i trust SupaDongzu. well, with tech advice anyways
14:19	SupaDongzu	:D
14:21	npmr	SupaDongzu, there have been various attempts to convice caker to host relevant mirrors
14:21	rafx	there'd have to be digital signatures or more low-tech sha1 hashes hosted on trusted sites available for automated comparison
14:21	npmr	SupaDongzu, i don't know what the last known status of the campaign was
14:21	npmr	also, my mirror is at home
14:21	SupaDongzu	npmr: it's probably just another admin headache for him
14:22	rafx	if caker mirrors debian packages at the same datacenter, my bandwidth usage would be reduced. yum
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14:22	npmr	i think the real obstacle was that providing local archives for all nine or eleven or however many distros he provides images for is just way too much space
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14:24	rafx	maybe another approach is to see if the datacenter company provides mirrors. for them, it might be worth it to reduce bandwidth usage.
14:26	rafx	HE seems to be doing funky stuff like offering bittorrent trackers so mirrors might take little convincing
14:27	tsi	maybe someone could buy a linode dedicated to providing os mirrors to other linode customers and request donations from peers
14:27	tsi	with proper hashing and keys and mumbo jumbo
14:28	tsi	and then after a several month proof of concept run, ask for caker to Bless the monthly bill and make it go away
14:29		* tsi returns you to your regularly scheduled editor holy war
14:37	TehDan	rafx: how much software do you install a month, out of interest?
14:39	SupaDongzu	hmmm
14:39	SupaDongzu	I'd say I get on average 15 packages a day
14:39	SupaDongzu	well
14:39	SupaDongzu	some are dry
14:39	SupaDongzu	so let's say 10
14:39	SupaDongzu	so rougly 300 per month here
14:41	SupaDongzu	hooray for shaboom, eh?
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14:46	tsi	haven't you ever heard of configuration management?
14:46	tsi	i hope your linode isn't a production server
14:48	TehDan	indeed... I just wonder if its really going to save that much bw - clearly caker doesn't consider that it would save him much in the way of bw charges as it would be reasonably trivial for him to set some up
14:49	TehDan	after all, I'd guess <1% of customers pay for extra bw so that they can upgrade packages all day... so any bw saved would probably just be unused from your included quota
14:51	SupaDongzu	hmmm?
14:51	SupaDongzu	tsi: are you talking to me?
14:51	SupaDongzu	I was talking mostly about upgrades
14:52	SupaDongzu	or rather, dist-upgrade
14:53	TehDan	erm... how often do you dist-upgrade? debian only switches release every several years or so..... so only one dist-upgrade is required to switch woody -> sarge
14:53	SupaDongzu	I run testing
14:53	SupaDongzu	I'm running sarge now
14:53	TehDan	you don't need to dist-upgrade every day.....
14:53	SupaDongzu	and I upgrade every day
14:54	SupaDongzu	a lot of the bulk is when some large constellation of packages gets updated for some small thing
14:54	SupaDongzu	like all of the python dist gets rebuilt somehow
14:54	SupaDongzu	I actually have cron-apt running hourly
14:54	SupaDongzu	I often get security updates before I've even read the advisory
14:56	TehDan	I probably see more traffic blocked by my firewall than getting and update from security.debian.org every hour.....
14:56	SupaDongzu	ha.
14:56	SupaDongzu	firewall.
14:56	SupaDongzu	magic talisman!
14:56	SupaDongzu	keeps out evil!
14:57	TehDan	if you say so....
14:57	TehDan	I prefer to think of it as a packet filter that rejects a lot of script-kiddies per unit time
14:57	SupaDongzu	that's grand
14:57	SupaDongzu	I have a firewall
14:57	SupaDongzu	it's called tcpwrappers
14:58	SupaDongzu	and not running broken services
14:58	SupaDongzu	and upgrading daemons regularly
14:58	TehDan	that's one approach
14:58	SupaDongzu	beats having to remember if ipchains/iprules/ipfilters/ipstopper/ipsifter is the flavor of the week
15:00	TehDan	not quite as flexible though...
15:00	SupaDongzu	?
15:00	SupaDongzu	plenty flexible
15:00	SupaDongzu	firewalls are useful for protecting multiple poorly-managed servers
15:01	SupaDongzu	but if you've got a standalone host, it's best to just actually SysAdmin the thing
15:01	SupaDongzu	done.
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15:26	Nostromo	hmm, my linode keeps getting shutdown after i boot it.. any help anyone?
15:26	Nostromo	(i just installed a fresh distro)
15:27	npmr	SupaDongzu, none of the above actually..... iptables has been "flavor of the week" since around the late 90s
15:28	rafx	Nostromo, use Lish to see what is happening during boot.
15:28	Nostromo	hmm, good idea.
15:28	Nostromo	thanks
15:32	fo0bar	npmr: 6 years isn't long enough damnit!
15:32	npmr	i know
15:37	Nostromo	rafx, thanks - solved it.
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16:44	adamg	lo
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17:44	ThQ	caker you in
17:45	ThQ	!seen caker
17:45	@linbot	ThQ: caker was last seen here 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 27 seconds ago saying: <caker> linbot: weather 19104
17:48	ThQ	!page caker
17:48	@caker	ThQ: hello
17:48	ThQ	can i pm
17:48	@caker	yup
17:51	adamg	you call and he appears
17:51	ThQ	linbot: weather 49010
17:51	@linbot	ThQ: The current temperature in Allegan, Michigan is 11�F (5:46 PM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 11�F. UV: 0 out of 12
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18:40	heidi	caker: how is your dad
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18:48	adamg	hmm
18:49	adamg	heidi hows hunter?
18:54	heidi	adamg: good, sleeping
18:55	adamg	how long till you move again?
18:56	heidi	don't know
18:56	heidi	we will be here for a few more months at least
18:57	heidi	monday or tuesday is michaels last day in the navy
18:57	adamg	has he got anything planned for when he leaves
18:59	heidi	possibly
18:59	heidi	he has a job lined up
18:59	heidi	most likely will be telecommuting for a while until the office is set up
19:00	adamg	yeah i know which one you are going on about
19:00	heidi	if that doesn't work out I don't have a clue
19:00	mikegrb	McDonalds
19:00	npmr	ha ha
19:00	adamg	you would eat more than you sold
19:01	heidi	heh
19:01	adamg	1 for them 3 for me
19:01	heidi	heh
19:01	heidi	yep
19:01	heidi	that would be him
19:02	adamg	well they are so small you need 3/4 before you are full
19:02	adamg	prefer a nice large pizza
19:03	heidi	heh
19:03	heidi	michael would too
19:04	adamg	getting hungry now
19:06	heidi	heh
19:06	npmr	likewise
19:06		* npmr searches out foodicles
19:07	adamg	has hit midnight here
19:07	adamg	pizza place around the corner has shut :-(
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19:17	guinea-pig	how many customers do you think caker's losing to macmini?
19:21	tierra\|w	depends... know of any datacenters offering rackspace for mac minis? If so, sign me up =)
19:22	tierra\|w	http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050124_mini.jpg <- Gentoo on mac mini
19:22	guinea-pig	um
19:22	guinea-pig	http://macmini.purestatic.com/
19:23	tierra\|w	haha, nice
19:25	guinea-pig	went into the apple store today to look at one, for kicks
19:25	guinea-pig	they had no idea someone was doing this, and were all sold out
19:25	guinea-pig	even sold some of the displays, heh
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20:36	kmiller	hello
20:36	kmiller	i have a support issue i need resolved
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20:39	kmiller	hello/
20:39	kmiller	???????
20:40	Newsome	~seen caker
20:40	Newsome	!seen caker
20:40	@linbot	Newsome: caker was last seen here 2 hours, 52 minutes, and 12 seconds ago saying: <caker> yup
20:50	npmr	!weather 94110
20:50	@linbot	npmr: The current temperature in San Francisco, California is 52�F (4:56 PM PST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 52�F. Pressure: 29.93 in (1013 hPa). Visibility: 3.0 miles (4.8 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12
20:51	npmr	!weather 56649
20:51	@linbot	npmr: The current temperature in International Falls, Minnesota is 10�F (7:32 PM CST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 5�F. Pressure: 29.85 in (1011 hPa). Visibility: 3.0 miles (4.8 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12
20:51	npmr	!weather 48104
20:51	@linbot	npmr: The current temperature in Ann Arbor, Michigan is 31�F (7:53 PM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 25�F. Wind: SSW at 13 mph (20 km/h). Pressure: 29.57 in (1001 hPa). Visibility: 8.0 miles (12.9 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12
20:52	npmr	!weather 60602
20:52	@linbot	npmr: The current temperature in Chicago, Illinois is 41�F (6:53 PM CST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 34�F. Pressure: 29.53 in (1000 hPa). Visibility: 9.0 miles (14.5 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12
20:53	kmiller	hello?
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21:04	ThQ	!weather 66666
21:20	kmiller	hello?
21:22	@caker	kmiller doesn't wait around very long, does he?
21:22	npmr	nien
21:22	SupaDongzu	hahaha
21:22	SupaDongzu	revolving doors
21:23		* mikegrb throws back his head and cackles with insane glee.
21:25	@caker	Quotes from an email today:
21:25	@caker	On another note, I'd like to make a pleasant compliment to one of your support reps in #linode with the handle "adamg". He's always polite, prompt, effectivley answers questions, and is always willing to help.
21:26	@caker	I'm not so happy with "Efudd" in which I asked a question, and he blatantly told me to go elsewhere to get my "omgzomgz 1TB Bandwidth". He's rude, and quite honestly, his arrogance was making me want to cancel the service linode provided me with in spite of what he said.
21:26	@caker	EFudd: posing as a Linode employee again? :)
21:27	mikegrb	lolz
21:27	ThQ	lol
21:27		* mikegrb throws back his head and cackles with insane glee.
21:27		* mikegrb gives adamg a gold star
21:29	ThQ	Quote from an email to caker: Im not happy at all with linbot. All it does is sit their and scratch its butt. It dont help people at all. Please fire it.
21:30	ThQ	makes as much scence as the last paste caker did
21:31	heidi	caker: how is your dad
21:32	EFudd	er, what did I do? :)
21:32	EFudd	good job adam!
21:33	EFudd	I think I specifcally told him to stop whining about only getting Ngig of bandwidth instead of 1TB like his other provider. :P
21:33		* EFudd will leave #linode perm if necessary :)
21:33	@caker	how he figured EFudd was a Linode employee is beyond me :)
21:34	EFudd	oh, er, his email implied we were employees? :)
21:34	@caker	He must have thought all 50 people in here were waiting to serve
21:34	@caker	EFudd: why else would he care?
21:34	EFudd	oh. I see now. "support reps" :)
21:34		* EFudd must /lastlog to find his nickname for future chastisement and straight-setting-ness.
21:34	ThQ	does that make me a support rep because i was idling in here
21:35	@caker	heidi: he's doing better today. Might be home by Friday
21:35	@caker	heidi: thanks for asking
21:35	EFudd	thq, STFU and log into the queue! You have 2 cases to resolve in the next 37 seconds. Get to it ! chop chop!
21:36	SupaDongzu	:D
21:36	SupaDongzu	YOU CAN'T FIRE ME!!!
21:36	SupaDongzu	I QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:36	EFudd	--DISCLAIMER-- I am not employee of Linode.com. I am just a troll that happened upon some clue many years ago. Unfortunately this clue has all been spent and my answers all come from a specially modified magic 8-ball. If you'd like to continue with your questioning, please press '1' now in l33t AOL style.
21:37		* EFudd makes hotkey
21:37	SupaDongzu	555555555555
21:37	EFudd	Supa. KEYWORD: RTFM. Ktnx. HAND. HTH!
21:37	SupaDongzu	EFudd: we're working on a game for squinky's voicemodem
21:37	SupaDongzu	called "DTMF DUNGEON"
21:37	EFudd	werd.
21:37		* EFudd pulls out whistle
21:37	SupaDongzu	and the sample code was all "Press 5 to kill troll"
21:37	EFudd	Sekret Cap'n Whistle.
21:38	SupaDongzu	so whenever anybody's trolling in #tron
21:38	SupaDongzu	everyone fills the screen with 5's
21:38	EFudd	oic :)
21:38	SupaDongzu	it is justice
21:38	EFudd	I wonder if I can get in trouble with the FAA/FBI by shining my DVD player towards a plane.....
21:38		* EFudd notes back clearly states CLASS 1 LASER PRODUCT
21:38	ThQ	yes you can
21:38	ThQ	its considered terrorism
21:39	EFudd	Hmm. Wonder if I can rob a store with a DVD player.
21:40	ThQ	Thats like me saying "I wonder if i can get in trouble for rebroadcasting Howard Stern on my Ham Radio"
21:45	SupaDongzu	YOU CAN???????
21:45	SupaDongzu	OMFG
21:45	guinea-pig	i use a steak radio
21:45	SupaDongzu	mine is vegan
21:45	SupaDongzu	it is dreamy
21:45	guinea-pig	that means it's from vega
21:45	SupaDongzu	it is.
21:45	mikegrb	I have a small hand held pig radio
21:46		* guinea-pig climbs out of mikegrb's hand
21:46	SupaDongzu	my radio is made of cake
21:46	guinea-pig	fairy cake
21:46	mikegrb	I filed my taxes today :D
21:46	guinea-pig	i feared my taxes today
21:47	mikegrb	my taxes were nice to me
21:47	mikegrb	$3,500
21:47	guinea-pig	all that money i made plowing snow... has to go to repair my truck instead of to uncle sam :(
21:47	mikegrb	3,100 federal
21:47	guinea-pig	is that a refund or owed?
21:47	mikegrb	refund
21:47	mikegrb	had a kid
21:47	guinea-pig	nice
21:47	guinea-pig	haha
21:47	mikegrb	turns out that is a very good thing to do
21:47	guinea-pig	i owe $7k federal, $600 state
21:48	@caker	mikegrb: yeah, for them -- more people to pay taxes
21:48	guinea-pig	(oops)
21:48	mikegrb	caker: heh eventually
21:48	mikegrb	guinea-pig: big oops
21:48	guinea-pig	yeah
21:48	guinea-pig	they give you an incentive to make more taxpayers
21:49	guinea-pig	it's like a town giving a business a tax break the first couple years it builds in town
21:49	SupaDongzu	japan's problem is they make it too damn hard to raise a kid
21:50	SupaDongzu	that's why the population is all 90 years old
21:51	@caker	SupaDongzu: I heard about that on World Business on PBS the other day .. 1/3 of their pop. is over 60 or something
21:51	SupaDongzu	yep
21:51	SupaDongzu	part of the problem is that the school system is terrible
21:51	@caker	??
21:51	SupaDongzu	haha
21:52	SupaDongzu	everyone in the US boggles when I say that
21:52	@caker	Aren't they all brainiacs?
21:52	SupaDongzu	hahaha
21:52	SupaDongzu	okay
21:52	guinea-pig	boggle
21:52	SupaDongzu	so you are probably thinking of all those stories you heard
21:52	guinea-pig	terrible as in whips and chains?
21:52	SupaDongzu	about how kids commit suicide because they take their studies so seriously
21:52	SupaDongzu	and you thought "my my, the pressure from the schools to perform must be huge!"
21:52	SupaDongzu	I thought this as well
21:53	@caker	(or how it takes an intelligence level 1.5x the average American to even learn their written language)
21:53	SupaDongzu	and then E explained it
21:53	SupaDongzu	and I heard some asia scholar confirm this
21:53	SupaDongzu	SO
21:53	SupaDongzu	the real story behind it is this: japanese schools are like US ghetto schools only without the knives and guns
21:53	SupaDongzu	they're hideous
21:53	SupaDongzu	the teachers have no recourse to discipline the students
21:53	SupaDongzu	and all they do to teach is demand recitation of memorized facts
21:53	SupaDongzu	the textbooks are all slim little puff pieces
21:54	SupaDongzu	SO
21:54	SupaDongzu	at the end of your school carreer
21:54	SupaDongzu	you're supposed to take this ONE BIG TEST
21:54	@linbot	15,000 car, you make-a-me-raff
21:54	SupaDongzu	that your schools have NOT PREPARED YOU FOR
21:54	SupaDongzu	so you cram
21:54	SupaDongzu	and you feel terrible about yoruself
21:54	npmr	and die
21:54	SupaDongzu	I mean, all sorts of kids pass this test right? so why not you?
21:55	SupaDongzu	here's the secret: those other kids had parents who could afford private tutoring for most of your life
21:55	SupaDongzu	so you spend 6 hours in a crappy school
21:55	SupaDongzu	and then another 6 hustling around to tutors to try and make up for the failings of the school system
21:55	SupaDongzu	but the schools are just zoos
21:55	SupaDongzu	kids running through the halls
21:55	SupaDongzu	opening doors at random and hurling things in
21:55	SupaDongzu	etc
21:56	SupaDongzu	I mean, there are good schools and bad
21:56	SupaDongzu	but most of them are in serious decay mode
21:56	SupaDongzu	SO
21:56	mikegrb	so...
21:56	SupaDongzu	maybe the generation that came of age in the late 70s managed to work this system pretty well
21:56	mikegrb	The End.
21:56	mikegrb	conclusion: Japan Sucks.
21:56	SupaDongzu	maybe there were just enough of them to make mad industry by sheer numbers
21:56	SupaDongzu	but the japanese schools are horrible
21:56	SupaDongzu	and I wouldn't raise a kid there
21:58	SupaDongzu	caker: does that satisfy your "???" :)
21:58	@caker	SupaDongzu: yes.
21:58	SupaDongzu	haha
21:59	mikegrb	SupaDongzu gets a gold star.
21:59		* caker applauds
21:59	EFudd	wow, another gold star.
21:59	EFudd	while i'm stuck with coal.
21:59	EFudd	><
21:59	SupaDongzu	EFudd: historically, it wasn't coal so much as a lump of something even less pleasant
22:00	EFudd	oic.
22:00		* linbot gives you a dirty look
22:00	SupaDongzu	you'd put your shoes out. And if you were bad, animals would make a mess in them
22:00	SupaDongzu	but that got sanitized to "coal" when things moved inside
22:02	mikegrb	SupaDongzu: a wealth of information <-- output of dict (1)
22:02	SupaDongzu	I see.
22:02	npmr	correct
22:03	EFudd	Error Number: -2147221501 0x80040003
22:03	EFudd
22:03	EFudd	Error Description: <system>\-2147221501\4\ [TRK_Track:CTrackProxy.TrackShipmentASP]\
22:03	heidi	caker: I am glad he is doing ok
22:03	SupaDongzu	okay, it's time for falafel
22:03	heidi	I was very worried
22:03		* EFudd determines that dhl-usa.com is broked
22:03	heidi	I don't like when people hurt
22:03	EFudd	Shipped Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2005
22:03	EFudd	Estimated Ship Date: 1/31/2005
22:03	EFudd	Dell==smart.
22:06		* caker got his DHL account the other day
22:06	fo0bar	EFudd: I've never had dell ship a computer in less than 2 weeks
22:06	EFudd	DHL is in possession of my M1400 table PC as of today.
22:06	fo0bar	hell, it took them 2 weeks to get a REFURB to me
22:06	@caker	OTOH, FedEX mis-weighed (by half) my last two servers :)
22:07	EFudd	and their website refuses to tell me its location.
22:07	EFudd	f00, i orderd my m1400 through dell late lastnight and it shipped today
22:07		* fo0bar grumbles
22:07		* mikegrb rumbles
22:07		* EFudd hopes heidi had gotten ready
22:08	heidi	?
22:08	heidi	gotten ready for what
22:08	EFudd	"GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMBLE!!!"
22:08	heidi	oh
22:08	heidi	never mind
22:08		* EFudd nod
22:08	heidi	when you get like three hours of sleep every day for four months, your brain gets soggy
22:08	EFudd	i understand. :0
22:09	heidi	my little one has started baby food along with the breast milk, but just once a day
22:09	heidi	but now he has decided he also needs breast milk every half hour to an hour
22:09	heidi	I am exhausted
22:10	heidi	he is draining me
22:10	EFudd	Crustaceans at 50x magnification on channel 129 voom! :)
22:10	EFudd	heidi, it's just payback from women draining men by taking their sperm.
22:10	alnr	no pun intended
22:10	heidi	sure it is
22:10	heidi	I didn't drain michael
22:11	heidi	we just had one lucky night
22:11	mikegrb	EFudd: what channel is 129?
22:11	EFudd	mmmm high definition Paramecium magnified 50x!
22:12	mikegrb	EFudd: /me <3 UniversalHD
22:12	EFudd	"LAB". which used to be called "MOOV". Which is art/graphics/etc set to music.
22:12	rafx	do people look like raisins when drained?
22:12	mikegrb	interesting
22:12	EFudd	yeah. if yer a stoner it'd be a great station to fade to.
22:12	mikegrb	heh
22:13	heidi	rafx: nope
22:13	heidi	unless you are the one drained, you can't tell the difference
22:13	heidi	but I am drained emotionally and mentally as well
22:13	heidi	energy gone
22:13	rafx	i'm not drained, but i think i'm drying out. probably need to drink 5x more water than i've been
22:13	mikegrb	EFudd: also, voom commercials are pretty sweet in HD
22:14	mikegrb	Discovery HD plays a bunch of trhem
22:14	heidi	voom sucks
22:14	EFudd	nods.
22:14		* EFudd mourns the soon-to-be-loss-of-voom
22:14	EFudd	installed today. cut off cable. dunno what i'm gonna do when they pull the voomplug
22:14	mikegrb	heh
22:15	rafx	speaking of mental drain, i'm gonna crash. need recharging badly
22:15	EFudd	l8s.
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22:16	EFudd	I also <3 that I get 20 HD OTA channels now
22:16	EFudd	instead of, well, none.
22:18	mikegrb	that is quite a few OTA
22:18	EFudd	aye. i expected 4 or 5.
22:18	EFudd	mind you, lots of those are subchannels that aren't always live.
22:19	mikegrb	I expect /maybe/ 1 here, pbs
22:19	EFudd	i was told to not expect PBS, it's my strongest signal
22:19	EFudd	i think there are 4 or 5 PBS stations i get :)
22:19	mikegrb	this town doesn't event have it's own nbc/abc/cbs station
22:19	EFudd	ah.
22:19	mikegrb	yes, we get four
22:19	EFudd	i'm 26 miles from PBS, NBS, ABC, FOX, CBS, UPN, WB(sux for signal).
22:19	mikegrb	pbs station is about 5 minute drive from here
22:20	mikegrb	and all the other stations are in mobile, alabama, about an hour west
22:20	mikegrb	65-70 miles
22:20	EFudd	nod. my PBS station is 4 miles or so from this house. was about a mile from my other one. but their transmitter is at the same location as alltheotherfolk
22:20	@linbot	New news from forums: New server in Sales Questions and Answers
22:20	EFudd	thanks linbot!
22:21	EFudd	ack. voom remote doesn't have a previouschannel button
22:21	ThQ	EFudd, get to work selling account now to fill the new server. After all your now a rep
22:21	EFudd	ThQ, on break.
22:22	EFudd	Extended.
22:22	EFudd	until my next trolling.
22:28	tsi	yay trolls!
22:28	tsi	er wait the other one
22:28	tsi	DIE, TROLLS
22:29	EFudd	easy to mix up.
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23:53	SupaDongzu	5555555
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