TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2005:01:25

---	Log	opened Tue Jan 25 00:00:27 2005
00:06	@caker	linode.com any better now?
00:08	tierra\|w	yay!
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03:07	force	Hello
03:07	force	I need help
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03:31	psychoid	hello
03:32	psychoid	i have problem when installing ircd hybrid
03:32	psychoid	gcc -I../include -I../adns -O2 -g -DNDEBUG -DIRCD_PREFIX=\"/usr/local/ircd\" -c whowas.c
03:32	psychoid	yacc -d ircd_parser.y
03:32	psychoid	make[1]: yacc: Command not found
03:32	psychoid	make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127
03:32	psychoid	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/server/ircd-hybrid-ru/src'
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03:32	psychoid	make: *** [build] Error 2
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03:33	psychoidz	hello
03:33	psychoidz	i have problem
03:33	psychoidz	orion.oftc.net
03:33	psychoidz	gcc -I../include -I../adns -O2 -g -DNDEBUG -DIRCD_PREFIX=\"/usr/local/ircd\" -c whowas.c
03:33	psychoidz	yacc -d ircd_parser.y
03:33	psychoidz	make[1]: yacc: Command not found
03:33	psychoidz	make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127
03:33	psychoidz	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/server/ircd-hybrid-ru/src'
03:33	psychoidz	make: *** [build] Error 2
03:33	psychoidz	how to fix it>
03:33	psychoidz	how to fix it?
03:34	psychoidz	my os is redhat9.0
03:34	psychoidz	anybody home?
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03:37	psychoid	hello
03:40	psychoid	hello
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04:52	adamg	morning all
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05:14	npmr	linbot, roulette
05:14	linbot	npmr: click
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06:11	hierr	hi
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06:31	linbot	New news from forums: Activation in Sales Questions and Answers \|\| Activation in Sales Questions and Answers \|\| Activation in Sales Questions and Answers
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06:41	Nostromo	Caker, are you around?
06:42	Nostromo	jasonf - i've registered for linode :)
07:01	---	Channel: mode/#linode [+o linbot] by mikegrb
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09:40	mystic	how long did most peoples accounts take 2 setup?
09:40	mystic	if theres ne 1 here!!
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10:05	TehDan	I think caker is out of office, so things might take a little longer than usual.... mine was about 24 hrs tho
10:05	TehDan	also bear in mind he's quite a few hours behind you in the UK....
10:06	TehDan	!seen caker
10:06	@linbot	TehDan: caker was last seen here 2 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes, and 4 seconds ago saying: <caker> the village called, they want their idiot back
10:07	sunny	!weather 10001
10:07	@linbot	sunny: The current temperature in New York, New York is 28�F (9:51 AM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16�F. Pressure: 29.89 in (1012 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 2 out of 12
10:07	TehDan	err... i wouldn't believe that tho, I saw him here yesterday!
10:10	mystic	kool thanks for the help!
10:12	Nostromo	oh brother.
10:13	Nostromo	i think i saw 3 different people coming into this channel asking for registration help. not one of them spelled "cool" correctly, or even like the others.
10:14	mystic	erm i can spell kool how ever i want
10:14	mystic	i can even spell it kewl
10:16	@linbot	New news from forums: How long until activation? in Sales Questions and Answers \|\| How long until activation? in Sales Questions and Answers \|\| How long until activation? in Sales Questions and Answers
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10:24	jaxn	is something going on with one of the boxes?
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10:58	nick\|work	hey guys
10:58	---	User: *** nick\|work is now known as nickfuyry
10:58	---	User: *** nickfuyry is now known as nickfury
10:58	dddshroom_	hey
11:00	nickfury	what's the good word
11:02	dddshroom_	the bad word is io_tokens
11:02	nickfury	hehe
11:02	nickfury	u familiar in debian bro?
11:03	dddshroom_	I used it a long time ago, I use gentoo now
11:03	nickfury	well
11:03	nickfury	i am having alittle problem
11:03	nickfury	i don't even thgink it's really what distro i am using personally
11:03	nickfury	but i have a domain name attached to my server.
11:03	nickfury	one sepecifically that does not seem to allow to recieve emails other than from people local to the server
11:03	nickfury	all my other email address work
11:03	nickfury	but it seems these can't get external emails from others.
11:04	nickfury	i was jsut wodner if i overlooked something
11:04	TehDan	try dpkg-reconfigure exim
11:04	nickfury	i don't use exim
11:04	TehDan	or dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config if you're using sarge
11:04	TehDan	ah. what do you use?
11:04	nickfury	i'm using a postfix, dracd config
11:04	nickfury	maybe i should be using exim though
11:04	nickfury	but .
11:05	nickfury	otherwise, this is what i am set with now
11:05	TehDan	postfix should be fine, that's what I use.
11:05	TehDan	does the myhostname in your main.cf resolve to your linode IP?
11:06	TehDan	better 1st question: is port 25 open?
11:07	TehDan	and does your mydestination include the domain you want delivered locally?
11:07	nickfury	hrrm,
11:07	nickfury	good points
11:07	nickfury	let me check some shit out and get back to you o that
11:08	nickfury	i think your right though
11:08	nickfury	that domain might not resolve
11:08	nickfury	acutally
11:08	nickfury	could you test?
11:08	nickfury	send to adrian@cyanstudios.ca
11:08	TehDan	also: you should disabled dracd until local delivery is working
11:08	nickfury	tell me if yo uget a bounce back
11:08	TehDan	happy to
11:08	TehDan	what's your domain?
11:08	nickfury	eh?
11:08	TehDan	you said you were using dracd?
11:08	nickfury	yes sir
11:09	TehDan	you only need that if you want external users to send mail to other external users via your server
11:09	nickfury	yes
11:09	nickfury	i got that working fine
11:09	nickfury	it checks, adds my ip to the list for 30 minutes
11:09	nickfury	so i can relay
11:09	nickfury	so it's nothing to do with dracd then
11:09	TehDan	okay, well i haven't used it so I can't gaurantee that...
11:09	nickfury	umm i havent' touched my postfix config in a while, where isi t located again
11:10	nickfury	the main.cf
11:10	nickfury	i've forgotten
11:10	TehDan	what is your domain? have you set up an mx record?
11:10	nickfury	yes...
11:10	nickfury	i got that all working fine
11:10	nickfury	cyanstudios.ca doesn resovle to my box
11:10	TehDan	etc/postfix/main.cf
11:10	nickfury	ahh thanks
11:10	nickfury	ok well
11:10	nickfury	straight off the bat
11:10	nickfury	i need to add domains to the mydomain = line right
11:10	nickfury	for those domains to properly get email?
11:11	TehDan	ah look, your on the same host as me.
11:11	nickfury	200?
11:11	nickfury	nice. neighbours :P
11:11	nickfury	ok well
11:11	nickfury	myhostname = cyanstudios
11:11	nickfury	mydomain = adrianstiegler.com
11:11	nickfury	is my myhostname and mydomain line
11:11	nickfury	do i need to add cyanstudios.ca to the mydomain ?
11:12	nickfury	as in. adding a domain every time to this line ?
11:12	TehDan	yeah - postfix will accept mail for any valid user (or alias) at any mydestination
11:12	TehDan	you need myhostname to be cyanstudios.ca
11:12	nickfury	but
11:12	nickfury	will that mean that adrianstiegler.com won't work then ?
11:13	TehDan	no, you need to add that to mydestination
11:13	nickfury	hrrm
11:13	nickfury	my mydestination line
11:13	nickfury	mydestination = $myhostname localhost.$mydomain localhost $mydomain
11:13	nickfury	as so
11:13	TehDan	okay just stick adrianstiegler.com on the end of that
11:13	nickfury	but what about cyanstudios.ca
11:13	nickfury	that replaces the mydomain ?
11:14	TehDan	myhostname = cyanstudios.ca will take care of that
11:14	TehDan	you can set mydomain as that too
11:14	nickfury	but what will taking away the adrianstiegler.com do?
11:14	nickfury	so your telling me i should change myhostname from 'cyanstudios' to 'cyanstudios.ca'
11:14	TehDan	your myhostname needs to be inside mydomain, you can't use different domains for both
11:14	nickfury	and mydomain to 'cyanstudios.ca' as well
11:15	TehDan	yes
11:15	nickfury	and
11:15	nickfury	add any domains i want as well
11:15	TehDan	and put your other domain on mydestination
11:15	nickfury	to the end of mydestination
11:15	TehDan	yep
11:15	nickfury	but.. what if i have alot of other domains
11:15	nickfury	i need to add those aas well
11:15	nickfury	for them to receieve the mail correctly
11:15	nickfury	?
11:16	TehDan	yes, otherwise postfix will either refuse to relay them or throw them back because it doesn't know where to pass them onto
11:16	nickfury	i see is ee
11:17	nickfury	ok
11:17	nickfury	main.cf saved
11:17	nickfury	i'm guesing a postfix restart is in order
11:17	TehDan	that'll do it
11:17	nickfury	err reload
11:17	nickfury	ok reloaded.
11:17	TehDan	okay, do "postfix check"
11:17	TehDan	itll tell you if there's anything wrong with the config files
11:17	nickfury	hrrm
11:17	nickfury	postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts and /etc/hosts differ
11:18	TehDan	whats in your /etc/hosts
11:18	nickfury	#127.0.0.1 cyanstudios.ca sandbox
11:18	nickfury	127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
11:18	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios
11:18	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios
11:18	nickfury	someting doens't seem right here
11:18	nickfury	my /etc/hostname
11:18	nickfury	is "cyanstudios'
11:18	TehDan	ah, that needs to be cyanstudios.ca really
11:19	nickfury	not cyanstudios.cyanbstuduios.ca? right
11:19	nickfury	or the hostname
11:19	TehDan	Yes: that would make more sense....
11:19	nickfury	as long as the hostname matches in the hosts file
11:19	nickfury	it sholdn't matter.
11:19	nickfury	it's just a name
11:19	TehDan	yeah, and in fact you'll probably need to set myhostname to cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca as well
11:20	TehDan	(in main.cf)
11:20	nickfury	i don't understand
11:20	nickfury	why all these changes
11:20	nickfury	it's just cyanstidios that is triping
11:20	TehDan	well /etc/hostname probably isn't critical, but I suspect postfix will be upset if I can't resolve myhostname via /etc/hosts
11:21	nickfury	well
11:21	nickfury	the /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts file
11:21	nickfury	reads as
11:21	nickfury	#127.0.0.1 cyanstudios.ca sandbox
11:21	nickfury	127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
11:21	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios
11:21	nickfury	i ahve a feeling
11:21	nickfury	if i just add that extra line
11:21	nickfury	to the bottom
11:21	nickfury	i'm good
11:21	TehDan	worth a try....
11:21	nickfury	i added that line
11:21	nickfury	and did a postfix check
11:21	nickfury	no problems now
11:22	nickfury	can you send an email to adrian@cyanstudios.ca
11:23	nickfury	i've forgotten why i put a cyanstudios. before each domain
11:23	nickfury	in my hosts file
11:23	nickfury	is there a reason for hta
11:23	TehDan	its in your queue as 4F05462563
11:23	TehDan	(type mailq)
11:24	nickfury	test message from TehDan...
11:24	nickfury	so i guess it went through
11:24	TehDan	excellent.
11:24	nickfury	something is wierd
11:24	nickfury	sec
11:24	nickfury	ok
11:24	nickfury	can you do one more test/
11:24	nickfury	for me?
11:24	TehDan	I relayed it to your machine manually, so the headers might look odd.
11:25	nickfury	send to dave@cyanstudios.ac
11:25	nickfury	ac =ca
11:25	nickfury	same idea.
11:25	TehDan	sure
11:25	nickfury	just want to check his mail
11:25	nickfury	because he wasnt' getting mail from external users
11:25	TehDan	250 Ok: queued as AA5DD62563
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11:26	nickfury	nice
11:26	nickfury	i have mail :P
11:26	TehDan	grat.
11:26	nickfury	Test (2)
11:26	nickfury	great.
11:26	nickfury	that works then
11:26	TehDan	"great"....
11:26	nickfury	i guess it was the hosts
11:26	nickfury	i mean
11:26	nickfury	the /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosets file
11:26	nickfury	seems to differ.. so i guess making the change did that
11:27	npmr	why are you changing /etc/hosts?
11:27	TehDan	odd. there's probably a command to update that, I had the something similar when I manually edited /etc/aliasis the other day
11:27	npmr	i thought we had that all worked out a month ago?
11:27		* TehDan knows nothing of this month ago of which you speak
11:28	npmr	TehDan, i know
11:30	TehDan	I think the hosts were okay, it was just conflicting with info in /etc/postfix/main.cf
11:32	nickfury	npmr
11:32	nickfury	i had to correct the hosts file to be the same as the hosts file used in the spool
11:32	nickfury	that's all
11:37	ref	yay... linode.com works again :)
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11:41	npmr	nickfury, why were they different in the first place?
11:41	nickfury	no idea
11:41	nickfury	i must have added the domain cyanstudios.ca to my /etc/hosts file
11:41	nickfury	and .. not knowing that a copy is made i guess
11:41	nickfury	for postfix
11:41	nickfury	i thought.. it was just that file i had to worry about it
11:41	npmr	why did you add anything at all to your hosts file?
11:41	nickfury	well
11:41	SupaDongzu	oh hi nickfury
11:42	SupaDongzu	haven't seen you in a while
11:42	nickfury	i thought i had to add domains that were pointing to my server to the hosts
11:42	nickfury	SupaDongzu ya man .. how are ya
11:42	npmr	man, if annie or shelley make my sandwich, everything is fine
11:42	SupaDongzu	I normally spot you in an instant, on account of I have "nick" listed as a highlight word (being my first name)
11:42	npmr	but as soon as someone else in the shop makes it,
11:42	npmr	it's got onion or tomato or something on it
11:43	nickfury	npmr i remember both of us , and SupaDongzu talking about hostnames and all this hsots shit a while ago, when i we fixed my postfix config
11:43	SupaDongzu	yeah
11:43	nickfury	so i'm guessing adding domains to the hosts file
11:43	nickfury	isn't correct.
11:43	npmr	yeah, exactly
11:43	npmr	and we had that stuff _settled_
11:43	nickfury	well
11:44	nickfury	that was before cyanstudios.ca worked o my server
11:44	nickfury	but ideally what you are saying
11:44	nickfury	is i don't need those cyanstudios.ca entries
11:44	nickfury	in my etc hosts file
11:44	SupaDongzu	yes
11:44	SupaDongzu	what you need is DNS pointing to you
11:44	npmr	if you want to add virtual domains, or aliases
11:44	SupaDongzu	then your box will figure it out just like everyone else
11:45	npmr	those are part of your servers configs
11:45	npmr	e.g. /etc/postfix/main.cf
11:45	nickfury	right
11:45	nickfury	so ideally i just want my hostname and it's base in the hosts file
11:45	nickfury	everything else, just.. get's delivered to the users mailbox
11:46	SupaDongzu	you want to list the hostnames in the "we accept mail for this host" setting
11:46	SupaDongzu	not in /etc/hosts
11:46	SupaDongzu	think of /etc/hosts as an old vestigial pre-dns hack
11:46	nickfury	right right
11:46	SupaDongzu	you used to have to download a new one from the internic every week
11:46	nickfury	so.. the domains i will allow mail to pass through, are always always always set in the main.cf correct?
11:47	SupaDongzu	because new hosts were joining the ARPAnet every month, and names were changing
11:48	SupaDongzu	how do you mean "pass through"?
11:48	SupaDongzu	do you mean relay?
11:48	SupaDongzu	or deliver?
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11:48	nickfury	both
11:48	nickfury	deliver
11:48	nickfury	that was my.. problem before
11:49	nickfury	it wasn't allowing any cyanstudios.ca emails through
11:49	nickfury	just bouncing htem back
11:49	nickfury	they work now, but it seemed to start working when i made sure the two hosts file were the same
11:49	nickfury	ut
11:49	nickfury	i think its just working because
11:50	nickfury	it seems to be. "hardcoded" into the hosts file
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11:52	SupaDongzu	okay
11:52	SupaDongzu	wel
11:52	SupaDongzu	part of the problem last time
11:52	SupaDongzu	is that your hosts file was trumping DNS with bogus data
11:53	SupaDongzu	so once you stopped putting nonsense into /etc/hosts, things started working properly
11:53	SupaDongzu	the issue wasn't that you put something useful in, but that you took out something destructive
11:53	SupaDongzu	so
11:54	SupaDongzu	just get a backup copy of /etc/hosts and fix it again
11:55	SupaDongzu	or dike out the bogus lines you added
11:56	nickfury	ok well
11:56	nickfury	allow me to show you something
11:56	nickfury	i remember when you, me and npmr sat down
11:56	nickfury	and worked out my postfix shit..
11:56	nickfury	this was for adrianstiegler.com the domain
11:56	nickfury	well.. since my server isn't based around my adrianstiegler.com domain anymore
11:56	nickfury	and is based on cyanstudios.ca
11:56	nickfury	i probably should do the required changes to bring that up to date
11:56	nickfury	main.cf seems to be fine
11:57	nickfury	i guess it's really just my hosts file
11:57	nickfury	let me paste it so yo ucan see what i mean
11:57	nickfury	#127.0.0.1 cyanstudios.ca sandbox
11:57	nickfury	127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
11:57	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios
11:57	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios
11:57	nickfury	so.. that's basically what it is now ..
11:57	nickfury	the first line being the line we got rid of last time
11:57	nickfury	my etc/hostname is 'cyanstudios'
11:58	nickfury	so those two lines are fine, the last one, probably not nessecary anymore right
11:59	npmr	adrianstiegler.com vs. cyanstudios.ca
11:59	npmr	pick one
11:59	nickfury	cyanstudios.ca
11:59	nickfury	is the main now
11:59	nickfury	cyan being the server name now
12:00	npmr	your mail server can host as many domains as you want, but the system can only live in one
12:00	nickfury	i see
12:00	nickfury	do i need the cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca
12:00	nickfury	or can i just have cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios
12:00	npmr	you said cyan
12:00	nickfury	wel
12:00	nickfury	yea i know
12:00	npmr	that would make it cyan.cyanstudios.ca
12:00	nickfury	but the hostname
12:00	nickfury	is cyanstudios
12:01	nickfury	i don't see why having cyan. in front of it does anything tough
12:01	nickfury	err though
12:01	npmr	so?
12:01	nickfury	so.. can you explain?
12:02	nickfury	oh i see
12:02	npmr	if your hostname is cyanstudios
12:02	nickfury	you need the hostname
12:02	nickfury	i thought the right edge of that line toko care of that
12:02	nickfury	the 'cyanstudios' part
12:02	npmr	and your fully-qualified hostname is cyanstudios.ca
12:02	npmr	than that means "ca" is your domain
12:02	npmr	i think you want cyanstudios.ca to be your domain
12:02	nickfury	yea
12:03	nickfury	but the hosts file doens't seem to be in any trouble right now anyway
12:03	nickfury	things are working as is
12:03	npmr	ok
12:03	npmr	what does "hostname" say?
12:03	nickfury	the file /etc/hostname
12:03	nickfury	reads as 'cyanstudios'
12:03	npmr	run the command "hostname"
12:04	npmr	paste the output
12:04	nickfury	same
12:04	npmr	and "hostname -f"?
12:04	nickfury	cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com
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12:04	nickfury	thay should probably be flushed out now
12:05	nickfury	since the hosts file reads with just the localhost and now cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca
12:05	nickfury	how do i get rid of the .adrainstiegler.com extension now again/
12:05	npmr	"domain"
12:05	npmr	"extensions" are for filenames
12:05	nickfury	sorry.
12:06	npmr	is it is your /etc/hosts?
12:06	nickfury	127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
12:06	nickfury	#65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.adrianstiegler.com cyanstudios
12:06	nickfury	65.19.178.200 cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca cyanstudios
12:06	npmr	ok
12:06	nickfury	i commented out the adrianstiegler.com oen
12:06	npmr	does "hostname -f" say cyanstudios.cyanstudios.ca now?
12:06	nickfury	yea
12:06	nickfury	it does
12:06	nickfury	i gues that's all i had to d o
12:06	npmr	ok
12:07	npmr	generally, yes
12:07	nickfury	cool
12:07	npmr	but if you are running the name service caching daemon (nscd), you may have to restart it
12:07	nickfury	ya.. i just fell behind to make that change
12:07	npmr	most people don't though
12:07	nickfury	ya. i'm good i think
12:10	nickfury	hrrrm
12:11	nickfury	seems cyanstudios.ca email isn't; coming.
12:11	nickfury	sec
12:11	nickfury	acutally
12:11	nickfury	my adrianstiegler.com mail isn't working now
12:11	nickfury	so something is wierd.
12:11	nickfury	postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts and /etc/hosts differ
12:11	nickfury	ohh
12:11	nickfury	same error
12:12	nickfury	i just have to change my /var/spool one i think now
12:13	nickfury	ya.. something is wierd now .
12:13	nickfury	adrianstiegler.com mail now will not come through
12:13	nickfury	Final-Recipient: rfc822;adrian@adrianstiegler.com
12:13	nickfury	Action: failed
12:13	nickfury	Status: 5.0.0
12:13	nickfury	Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 <adrian@adrianstiegler.com>: User unknown
12:29	@caker	linbot: weather 19104
12:29	@linbot	caker: The current temperature in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is 32�F (11:54 AM EST on January 25, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 19�F. Wind: WNW at 12 mph (18 km/h). Pressure: 29.94 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 2 out of 12
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12:36	tsi	i didn't know infobot could take zipcodes
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12:36	tsi	that sure beats knowing weather station codes
12:38	tsi	i haven't even read the bind9 post and i like it already. more people should write about the solutions they find instead of just leaving it hanging
12:38		* tsi guilty
12:42	adamg	caker hows things going?
12:46	npmr	tsi, it's not infobot
12:49	fo0bar	http://macmini.purestatic.com <-- screw linode, I'm colocating a mac mini!
12:52	nickfury	hehge
12:52	nickfury	it is interesting
12:55	nickfury	although
12:55	nickfury	a minimac
12:55	nickfury	running 24/7?
12:55	nickfury	not very.... trusting
12:55	nickfury	especially at that size
12:55	nickfury	wer're talking laptop drives
12:57	fo0bar	... I've been using the same 60GB laptop drive since 2001 (it cost a mint back then), nearly 24/7, across 2 laptop replacements, without a problem
12:58	fo0bar	and the mac would be mostly stationary
12:58	nickfury	LOFL!!!!!!
12:58	nickfury	http://www.compfused.com/directlink/593/
12:58	fo0bar	2.5" drives are slower, but I would say a LOT more reliable than standard ATA
12:59	nickfury	meh.
12:59	nickfury	i'm not sure about that
12:59	nickfury	the whole .. 24/7 minimac thing
12:59	nickfury	i'll pick a normal box anyday.. to be honest
13:00	fo0bar	I probably would too, but I wouldn't completely reject this idea
13:00	nickfury	bah.
13:01	nickfury	i'm perfer to work on a mac for my artwork etc etc
13:01	nickfury	i'll leave servers up to the professionals :)
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13:03	tsi	2.5 has a way higher mtbf, and your anecdotal evidence probably isn't under the same workload that a server would be under -- even a lightly loaded server
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13:04	nickfury	a mini mac running at 1.4 ghz
13:04	nickfury	would be equal to what in Intel ?
13:05	ref	pentium 200Mhz
13:05	nickfury	hrrm
13:05	tsi	i'd also say "how retarded, it only has one power supply" but then again the xserve also suffers this design flaw
13:05	nickfury	so really.. it doesn't even compare still
13:05	nickfury	tsi
13:05	nickfury	when were apple computers EVER about options?
13:06	tsi	hey, I love apple and even have 10 xserve raids
13:06	ref	you have color options :P
13:06	nickfury	laff
13:06	nickfury	exactly.
13:06	nickfury	so' we're talking ... simplified solutions
13:06	nickfury	that's it
13:06	ref	lime or blue or red? take your pick!
13:06	nickfury	they go with your OS too.. the nice big three colorful balls )
13:06	nickfury	haha
13:06	ref	i think the lime is a better computer than the red!
13:06	ref	but that's just me...
13:07	nickfury	i think people need to stop buying apple's becaue of looks and go look at some SICK ass sony workstations
13:07		* npmr has an account on a lime imac running debian
13:07	tsi	the cpu power/storage/memory density is just so low on a rack of minimacs that it boggles the mind
13:07	nickfury	those are.. worth every penny
13:07	fo0bar	nickfury: NEVER use that word around here
13:07	nickfury	laff.
13:07	nickfury	sony :)
13:07	tsi	eww sony
13:07	nickfury	what's worng with sony
13:07	tsi	the brokenest breaking breaker that ever broke
13:07	nickfury	laff.
13:08	nickfury	as they lead the processor race right
13:08	nickfury	haha
13:08	fo0bar	what tsi said
13:08	npmr	i have a very nice sony it-b3
13:08	nickfury	stop hating
13:08	npmr	everyone should have the pleasure of using one
13:08	fo0bar	and they charge an arm and a leg for everything, even more so than apple
13:08	tsi	their consumer electronics division is great, their computer people should be lined up and shot
13:08	nickfury	again
13:08	nickfury	Sony leads in the tech race
13:08	nickfury	so what arey ou complaining about?
13:08	fo0bar	what?
13:08	nickfury	what?
13:08	tsi	sony leads what in the what?
13:09	npmr	nickfury, we're more interested in the technology than the business
13:09	tsi	HUGALUGHALUGHALUGH
13:09	npmr	nickfury, frankly, i don't give a rat's ass who's "leading"
13:09	nickfury	u guys .... need to simma down :)
13:09	npmr	but on that note
13:09	nickfury	ur getting your underwear all in a knot over comptuers :)
13:09	npmr	SONY IT-B3
13:09	npmr	BEST IN CLASS
13:09		* nickfury searches
13:09	fo0bar	vaio battery $300, vaio power supply $150, vaio battery cover (1"x2" piece of plastic) $65
13:10	fo0bar	I LOVE SONY!
13:10	nickfury	i wanna get a ZenMicro
13:10	nickfury	i think those are pretty well developed
13:10	ref	$65 for plastic? is it hand-made?
13:10	tsi	that's typical laptop battery price
13:10	npmr	nickfury, do a google image search
13:10	nickfury	it's a phone ?
13:10	npmr	yes it is
13:11	npmr	and it is a very nice, very simple phone
13:11	npmr	like i said
13:11	npmr	Best in class.
13:11	fo0bar	okay... so their phones(?) are nice, but their computer products are crap
13:12	npmr	http://closetofdoom.com/view-from-above.jpg <-- my sony it-b3, in the old closet of doom
13:12	nickfury	and.. alienware?
13:13	npmr	and it's cheap
13:13	nickfury	http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=EhMbKRaPQG0bKFd5njYRIlmDgO7UQ3zLM1c=?CategoryName=cpu_VAIODesktopComputers_VSeries&Dept=cpu_VAIODesktopComputers
13:13	nickfury	wow.. nice sony monitor
13:13	nickfury	wish it was just a monitor though
13:15	pdx6	their video game systems are pretty nice
13:16	ref	i can't believe you have http://closetofdoom.com just for THAT
13:16	npmr	ha ha
13:17	tsi	then i guess you shouldn't visit my lame-o single page domains
13:17	ref	ow high is high-speed-uplink? :P
13:18	nickfury	sony's ps3 should be interesting .. for sure
13:18	ref	tsi: he doesn't even have a page! just apache generated dirlist
13:18	tsi	mmmm +Indexes
13:18	ref	*how high
13:19	npmr	http://goose.movealong.org/mrtg/goose.inet.html <-- ref
13:20	tsi	does out-of-the-box linksys firmware support snmp?
13:20	tsi	or is that something you need sveasoft for?
13:20	ref	oh... adsl
13:20		* ref soon to be on Comcast's 6Mbit/768kbit cable
13:20	tsi	i like that four hour porn movie download at 6pm
13:21	npmr	ha ha
13:21	tsi	errr i mean "database backup"
13:21	tsi	wink wink nudge nudge
13:21	ref	i think you mean "gay porn"
13:22	tsi	HUALUGHAULUGHALUGH
13:22		* ref goes back to work...
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13:25	Nostromo	init 6 is not enough to reboot a linode? i have to use the linode console?
13:32	tsi	status: WORKSFORME
13:32	tsi	NOTABUG
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13:35	npmr	i hate to disappoint you guys, but......
13:35	npmr	0 18 * * * root /usr/local/sbin/rsync-debian-mirror
13:35	npmr	http://debian.movealong.org/debian/
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13:46	Nostromo	why would that disappoint us?
13:47	npmr	not you
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13:47	Nostromo	ok, why would it disappoint in general?
13:48	npmr	please refer to the backscroll
13:48	npmr	approximately fifteen to twenty-five lines back
13:51	Nostromo	i saw those. i assume you mean the significant daily rsync'ing?
13:52	npmr	correct
13:53	npmr	based on the bandwidth graphs people were speculating about pr0n
13:53	SupaDongzu	hmmm
13:53	Nostromo	rsyncing pr0n.
13:53	Nostromo	hmmmmmk
13:53	Nostromo	kidding.
13:54	Nostromo	well, i find it hard to decide which is better. pr0n or debian mirrors.
13:54	Nostromo	that's just sick.
13:54	npmr	i can tell you which i more useful
13:54	Nostromo	hmm, i think i'll leave that one unanswered, if you don't mind.
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14:03	SupaDongzu	So I'm curious
14:04	SupaDongzu	or rather
14:04	SupaDongzu	I wonder if it wouldn't be wise to coordinate the various gentoo and debian mirrors
14:04	SupaDongzu	like
14:04	SupaDongzu	if it turns out that two people are mirroring debian
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14:04	SupaDongzu	surely one could mirror from the otehr
14:04	SupaDongzu	if they're in the same datacenter
14:17	tsi	do you trust fellow linode customers?
14:18	SupaDongzu	well that's why you centralize
14:19	SupaDongzu	if there are six debian mirrors on here
14:19	SupaDongzu	it may be worth it for caker to host one
14:19	rafx	i trust SupaDongzu. well, with tech advice anyways
14:19	SupaDongzu	:D
14:21	npmr	SupaDongzu, there have been various attempts to convice caker to host relevant mirrors
14:21	rafx	there'd have to be digital signatures or more low-tech sha1 hashes hosted on trusted sites available for automated comparison
14:21	npmr	SupaDongzu, i don't know what the last known status of the campaign was
14:21	npmr	also, my mirror is at home
14:21	SupaDongzu	npmr: it's probably just another admin headache for him
14:22	rafx	if caker mirrors debian packages at the same datacenter, my bandwidth usage would be reduced. yum
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14:22	npmr	i think the real obstacle was that providing local archives for all nine or eleven or however many distros he provides images for is just way too much space
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14:24	rafx	maybe another approach is to see if the datacenter company provides mirrors. for them, it might be worth it to reduce bandwidth usage.
14:26	rafx	HE seems to be doing funky stuff like offering bittorrent trackers so mirrors might take little convincing
14:27	tsi	maybe someone could buy a linode dedicated to providing os mirrors to other linode customers and request donations from peers
14:27	tsi	with proper hashing and keys and mumbo jumbo
14:28	tsi	and then after a several month proof of concept run, ask for caker to Bless the monthly bill and make it go away
14:29		* tsi returns you to your regularly scheduled editor holy war
14:37	TehDan	rafx: how much software do you install a month, out of interest?
14:39	SupaDongzu	hmmm
14:39	SupaDongzu	I'd say I get on average 15 packages a day
14:39	SupaDongzu	well
14:39	SupaDongzu	some are dry
14:39	SupaDongzu	so let's say 10
14:39	SupaDongzu	so rougly 300 per month here
14:41	SupaDongzu	hooray for shaboom, eh?
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14:46	tsi