TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2004:03:29

---	Log	opened Mon Mar 29 00:00:00 2004
00:00	@tjfontaine	I installed amavisd-new a few times, never had to answer any questions like that, but I just edit the config files by hand anyway
00:02	@tjfontaine	amavisd-new is a wrapper to send email content and pass it through spamassassin and then also if needed a virus scanner or scanners of your choice
00:02	@tjfontaine	I use the sophos savi api with sophie for virus checking at work and at the linode
00:18	EFudd	-rw-r--r-- 1 jason jason 11132 Mar 20 20:47 postfix-filter.pl.txt
00:18	EFudd	hrm
00:18	EFudd	so sounds like amavisd == postfix-filter.pl.. but that is more generic
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00:26	@tjfontaine	ya
00:26	@tjfontaine	I use it with postfix and its content filter
00:29	EFudd	you ust postfix-filter yourself? 'tis written by a friend of mine. wondering if there is a duplication in the program namespace
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02:16	imserb	hello
02:16	imserb	any linode support staff?
02:17	imserb	or linode cust?
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05:21	SupaDongzu	jesux
05:25	@mikegrb	yes?
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07:36	jake	bby0205
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08:22	Wanna	caker
08:22	Wanna	hello
08:22	Wanna	you there ?
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08:30	chris	People need to wait more than 2-3 minutes, jeez
08:31	limecat	heh
08:40	@tjfontaine	bah you should respond to my every whim at every second
08:40	@tjfontaine	peace
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09:53	chris	hrmmm
09:53	chris	A uml server technically isn't vulnerability to typical hacks such as modules / rootkits, correct?
09:53	chris	Since it doesn't have a kernel or module support of its own
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11:04	timpelican	hi all
11:05	timpelican	annoying n00b time - how long does a linode account normally take to set up?
11:06	ses	how long you been waiting so far?
11:07	timpelican	seven or eight hours. not hassling, just curious as to whether I was likely to be able to do anything with it this evening...
11:08	ses	well ive been waiting for mine 26 days but dont seem to be able to get hold of the admins :-/
11:09	timpelican	ouch!
11:09	ses	does anyone here have any insight into what the delays might be?
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11:23	jake	ses: are you waiting for one that is listed as unavailable?
11:23	jake	ses: if so I would assume it is because they are waiting on the hardware to arrive
11:24	jake	timpelican: usually not long at all, as soon as caker comes alive
11:27	timpelican	ok, ta. as I said, just curious, I'm about to leave work and was hoping for a fiddle when I got home (fnar)
11:32	adamg	hmm
11:38	mowser	anyone using spammassin?
11:38	adamg	yes
11:39	timpelican	not on linode yet ;) but yes, from inside mailscanner
11:39	mowser	do you know if it has out of the box filters setup or do i have to create them all
11:39	mowser	out of the .deb
11:39	jake	mowser: yes
11:40	jake	mowser: out of the box it is basic, althoug follow the instal documenttation to install razor, pyzor etc and it will stop everything
11:40	adamg	and dcc
11:40	jake	adamg: definately
11:40	adamg	and remeber to enable bayes
11:40	mowser	thanks
11:40	adamg	and prime of the database
11:40	adamg	by default it needs 200 spam and 200 ham to start
11:41	adamg	although for some reason SA failes on the rbl checks
11:41	jake	adamg: I havn't done that in the past, although that is only 1 hours worth of mail for me
11:42	adamg	it will add mail to the database it's self if autolearn is turned on
11:42	adamg	but it will not start to use bayes till it has 200 of each type in it
11:42	mowser	does SA work with exim?
11:42	timpelican	you'll still need to manually hook it into the mail system though, if that was the question
11:43	timpelican	ie make your MTA send mail through SA, and then do something with the fact that it's tagged it as spam
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11:44	Tenkawa	hey any of you playing Lineage 2?
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11:47	jake	Tenkawa: Job + Child 1 + Child 2 + Wife = No Lineage 2
11:47	Tenkawa	haahaa
11:47	Tenkawa	I hear ya
11:47	Tenkawa	its hard enough with just Job + Girlfriend
11:47	jake	Only if the commuter rail would offer wirelesss
11:47	Tenkawa	hehehe
11:47	Tenkawa	only if my laptop had powerful enough specs
11:48	jake	hehe
11:48	jake	got that covered
11:48	ses	jake: where would it be listed unavailable? there were some "available" when i signed up.. but not heard anything at all since signup..
11:48	jake	as long as it's plugged in
11:48	jake	ses: and how long has it been
11:49	ses	jake: has been since 3rd march
11:49	jake	ses: have you talked to caker?
11:50	jake	ses: or filed a ticket?
11:50	jake	ses: or used the forums?
11:50	ses	jake: cant seem to get hold of him - tried email, icq, phone, left messages..
11:50	jake	sighup ping caker
11:50	sighup	caker: ping! ping! ping!
11:50	sighup	caker was last seen on #linode 17 hours, 20 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: sighup: bios? [1080516579]
11:50	jake	he should be around here soon, and he usually reads the logs, try talking to him
11:51	ses	yeah have tried but no replies yet.. cant file a ticket as my username doesnt work yet :(
11:51	jake	ses: well, stay online here and I would imagine he would be around here soon
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11:52	ses	jake: okie.. cheers 4 help
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11:59	blahrus	anyone around for a simple question?
12:00	SupaDongzu	I am
12:00	SupaDongzu	but you have to ask permission first to see if you can get a ticket before you can ask if you can ask a question
12:00	SupaDongzu	I mean, if everyone just asked their questions in here straightaway, we'd be flooded with answers, and then where would we be?
12:01	blahrus	alright I am running debian stable on my linode, I want to change it from dhcp to static because, when I add a subdomain, it restarts bind and apache and resets my nameserver
12:01	chris	ANARCHY!
12:01	blahrus	it resetse my named.conf
12:01	blahrus	and I do wnat it to change
12:01	Tenkawa	chris: bah
12:01	chris	Tenkawa: MY LINE!
12:01	SupaDongzu	blahrus: you can just edit the file in /etc/network/interfaces
12:01	Tenkawa	chris: TOUGH!!
12:02	Tenkawa	muhaahaahaahaha
12:02	chris	Tenkawa: Grrrr!
12:02	Tenkawa	chris: I saw my first Korean anime this weekend
12:02	Tenkawa	damn they know how to integrate cg with hand drawn stuff
12:03	chris	You obviously haven't seen Macross Zero
12:03	chris	It kicks the shit out of any other anime/cg blend
12:03	Tenkawa	the story wasnt all that great but the cg just was wicked
12:03	blahrus	auto eth0
12:03	blahrus	iface eth0 inet dhcp
12:03	blahrus	#iface eth0 inet static
12:03	blahrus	#hostname stealth
12:03	blahrus	#address 66.220.1.67
12:03	blahrus	#gateway 64.62.190.1
12:03	blahrus	#netmask 255.255.255.0
12:03	blahrus	how do I set my reslove.conf not to change
12:03	blahrus	I just uncommented those lines
12:04	SupaDongzu	the trick is to do cel-shaded CG
12:04	jotun	cell-shading is :<
12:04		* SupaDongzu shrugs
12:05	SupaDongzu	you know
12:05	SupaDongzu	It's funny
12:05	SupaDongzu	The Triplets of Belleville was hailed in all the local SF newspapers as being a triumph for "traditional hand-drawn animation"
12:05	SupaDongzu	punchline: it was almost entirely cel-shaded CG
12:05	jotun	heh
12:16	@mikegrb	Downloaded 22.2MB in 7s (3079kB/s)
12:16		* mikegrb heart linode and the ucsc.edu debian mirror
12:18	EFudd	!
---	Log	closed Mon Mar 29 12:23:42 2004
---	Log	opened Mon Mar 29 12:23:45 2004
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12:44	Whowo	caker ?
12:45	Whowo	hey
12:50	SupaDongzu	mmmm, caaaaaake...
12:50	heidi	sighup seen caker
12:50	sighup	caker was last seen on #linode 18 hours, 20 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: sighup: bios? [1080516579]
12:52		* heidi wears a linode shirt today
13:16	EFudd	yanno. Outlook sucks. I used pine to forward an email to two people last thursday with instruction on how to deal with a conference call they were managing for me since I was out of town. I listened in on the call and they appeared to completely ignore what I had provided them. What REALLY happened was that outlook, on their desktops, decided to NOT show the EDITED TEXT version and instead showed them the HTML version that was "attached" which had not be
13:17	BB	but if u edit the plain text and send back plain and html .. what do you expect it to do?
13:17	EFudd	i didn't expect the html to still be tehre :)
13:17	EFudd	and i expect a client to not lack.
13:17	EFudd	:)
13:17	BB	heh then i blame pine :)
13:18	EFudd	i blame me. when i responded the 2nd time i deleted the attachment
13:18	BB	heh
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13:50	Whowo	caker ?
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15:15	Sh8d0w	Wow: Host initiated restart: Job Entered 01/01/1974 12:00:00 AM
15:19	lurq	Does anyone know if things have been sorted out for the poor guys that didn't received their linodes?
15:19	lurq	http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=737
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15:21	jake	hey anyone out there use ez publish?
15:21	jake	I need a good CMS/CMF that is not "news" based
15:22	ses	lurk: still nothing yet, but chris doesnt seem to have been around since i made the forum post
15:22	lurq	sighup ping caker
15:22	sighup	caker: ping! ping! ping!
15:22	sighup	caker was last seen on the network 1 hours, 22 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [1080586771]
15:22	lurq	ses: ok. good luck. I've only good experiences with linode so far.
15:23	ses	lurk: yeah seems to be the general opinion; just slipped thru the net somehow i think
15:28	@caker	hey guys
15:28	@caker	ses: when you get back, I /msg'ed you
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15:41	adamg	well that was annoying
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15:54	@mikegrb	sorry
15:55		* adamg watches poker
15:59		* caker is hungry
15:59	@mikegrb	mmmm cake
16:00		* caker doesn't like Googles site changes
16:00	adamg	neither do I
16:00	adamg	there are alot of complaints about it esp the changes in site ranking
16:00	adamg	alot of people have disappeared from the search results
16:00	@caker	more than just display changed?
16:00	adamg	they have changed the ranking algo apparently
16:01	@caker	I hate the new look. The colored adwords ads are no longer colorized
16:01	@caker	that sucks
16:01	@guinea-pig	but hey, "linode" still returns 14,400 results
16:01	@caker	I turned off my google advertising
16:01	@caker	... last week
16:02	@guinea-pig	is that good or bad?
16:02	@caker	well, good and bad ..
16:02	@guinea-pig	interesting
16:02	@guinea-pig	and what does zis tell us about your mother?
16:02	@caker	It's very expensive. And the terms I use have increased in popularity over the past 5 months or so
16:03	@caker	And I'm thinking that money might be better spent on some magazine ads, but I'm not ready to do that yet
16:03	@guinea-pig	oh yeah
16:03	@guinea-pig	put one in penthouse
16:03		* caker finds "sour patch kids" to eat
16:03	@caker	guinea-pig: heh
16:03	@guinea-pig	just so we all have another excuse to buy it
16:03	@caker	"I just read it for the ads" ?
16:04	@guinea-pig	:D
16:04	@guinea-pig	mmm. i've gotta hop over to freenode for a bit
16:05	@guinea-pig	found a message for xiphmont (aka the vorbis guy) at MIT saturday night
16:05	@caker	http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/enhancements.html
16:05		* caker reads
16:06	@caker	here we go .. Google will become another do-everything like Yahoo!
16:06	@caker	what a pity
16:06	@guinea-pig	:<
16:06	@guinea-pig	time to start another good-intentioned search engine
16:06	@caker	no kidding
16:06	@guinea-pig	no, i'm not kidding
16:07	@guinea-pig	:P
16:07	@guinea-pig	ok yes i am
16:07	@caker	... AdWords was expensive enough -- the value of it is less now that the ads aren't in pretty colored boxes (seriously)
16:07	@guinea-pig	but hey
16:07	@guinea-pig	yeah i can see that
16:07	@caker	oh, but the top 1 is still in a colored box across the top
16:07	@caker	most people missed that first one anyway
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16:08	@caker	Web Alerts is nice
16:09	@caker	http://www.google.com/webalerts
16:11	@guinea-pig	erm
16:11	@guinea-pig	coloured box across the top?
16:11	@guinea-pig	only coloured box i see is the one that says results 1-20 out of..
16:12	@caker	if you search for something that has ads
16:12	@guinea-pig	right
16:12	@guinea-pig	like linode.
16:12	@guinea-pig	i search for linode, and i get one ad on the box to the right
16:12	@caker	<@caker> I turned off my google advertising
16:13	@guinea-pig	someone else has an ad with linode in it, then :P
16:13	@caker	not for long :-p
16:13	@guinea-pig	suing them?
16:13		* caker awaits trademark search to complete
16:13	@guinea-pig	haha
16:14	@guinea-pig	so i search for "isp"
16:14	@caker	try: http://www.google.com/search?q=virtual+servers
16:14	@caker	(nothing with News section)
16:14	@guinea-pig	oh
16:14	@guinea-pig	hardly ever see those boxes
16:15	@guinea-pig	either that or my eyes just skip 'em :P
16:15	@caker	yeah - those are the most expensive, too
16:15	@guinea-pig	stupid
16:15	Sh8d0w	I think ppl filter it out in their head
16:15	@guinea-pig	advertising is for ... well, whatever
16:15	@guinea-pig	word of mouth is the way to go
16:16	@caker	Sh8d0w: about the 1974 time in the job queue -- I use that so that job runs before any of yours (Like if someone pressed Reboot 10x while during a planned host restart)
16:17	Sh8d0w	caker: ah, icic
16:18	@caker	What kind of M&Ms does Tattoo like?
16:18	@caker	zee plain, zee plain
16:18		* caker rimshots
16:27	@caker	guess no one thought that was funny
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16:30	@mikegrb	pwahaha
16:30	@caker	mikegrb: thanks mike :)
16:31	@mikegrb	wow that site advertising under linode looks good
16:31	EFudd	Blee!
16:31	@mikegrb	I should switch
16:31	@mikegrb	:p
16:32	EFudd	google changed? how?
16:32		* EFudd reads
16:34	@mikegrb	EFudd: heh I had the same reaction
16:34	@mikegrb	didn't read anything on the web today
16:34	EFudd	I remember when yahoo was useful.
16:34	@mikegrb	I actually worked :/
16:34	@mikegrb	heh me too
16:34	@mikegrb	I was first on the web in ummm
16:34	EFudd	<- 1991ish
16:35	@mikegrb	92 93 ish
16:35	EFudd	"teh web"
16:35	@mikegrb	I remember gopher!
16:35		* EFudd remembers hax0ring via archie+gopher =]
16:35	@mikegrb	when it was useful
16:35	@mikegrb	heh
16:35	@mikegrb	EFudd++
16:35	@mikegrb	I'm not even as old as caker yet
16:35	EFudd	yah
16:35	EFudd	caker is very old
16:35	@mikegrb	and bbs's
16:35	cdlu	I remember Debian before apt. Those were the days...
16:35	EFudd	BBS? What's that? /sniff
16:36	EFudd	my first linsux was yggdrasil
16:36	EFudd	:)
16:36	@mikegrb	cdlu: debian without apt :O
16:36		* EFudd remembers tsx-11 being useful
16:36	cdlu	mikegrb: dselect was it
16:36		* EFudd remembers when tsx11 was also a BBS
16:36	EFudd	(as in software)
16:37	@mikegrb	I first got online from a wyse-60 :D
16:37	EFudd	ha
16:37	EFudd	i used to work from home from one of those + external modem :-)
16:37	@mikegrb	heh
16:37	EFudd	that was in 1996 even :)
16:37	@mikegrb	I used one of those on a IBM PS/2
16:37		* cdlu first got on the internet in 1995 in an NCSA telnet window to a linux box from an old mac lc, probably a 520
16:37	@mikegrb	win3.11 and teh winsock
16:37	cdlu	at the school computer labs
16:38	cdlu	on a T1 :)
16:38	EFudd	T1? What's that?!
16:38	EFudd	Is'nt that the innernet backbone?
16:38	@mikegrb	heh
16:38	@mikegrb	yes
16:38	@mikegrb	the wyse-60 had a t1 on the other end
16:38	@mikegrb	not that it was noticable in irc
16:38		* EFudd had a personal t1 in 1995 for a while
16:38	@mikegrb	I don't count that as my starting on irc date though
16:39	EFudd	that was a fokton of bandwidth for an individual then :)
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16:39	@mikegrb	indeed
16:39	EFudd	MINE MINE MINE !@#!#
16:39	cdlu	first time I used the web was with lynx, first site was yahoo, first term was 'terrorist handbook' :)
16:39	@mikegrb	like an oc-12 todaw ;)
16:39	@mikegrb	heh
16:39	EFudd	"the web"
16:39		* EFudd sighs
16:39	@mikegrb	first thing I did online was irc
16:39	EFudd	ARCHIE YOU FOKKERS!@#!#
16:39	EFudd	mike, same :)
16:39	cdlu	I didn't start IRCing for two more years
16:39	EFudd	warez np !
16:39	@mikegrb	to talk to someone sitting at the terminal next to me!
16:39	cdlu	mikegrb: 'flirt'? :)
16:39	EFudd	Hey, I used talk the other day. like ~1 month ago
16:39	@mikegrb	heh no
16:40	EFudd	it made me feel strange.
16:40	cdlu	talk!
16:40	@mikegrb	no! ;)
16:40		* EFudd remembers talk being mad useful and ytalk being uber
16:40	cdlu	I used talk for a long time
16:40	@guinea-pig	caker: i liked the tatoo joke. i just didn't see it until now
16:40	@mikegrb	aye
16:40	cdlu	and ytalk some, too
16:40	@guinea-pig	my parents would love it
16:40	cdlu	ytalk was a bit more frustrating
16:40	cdlu	as other people could butt in :)
16:40	@mikegrb	when I first found screen I came
16:40	EFudd	ircds used to have /page to page someone on the ircd host for talk/irc sessions :)
16:41	cdlu	*** Unknown command: PAGE
16:41	cdlu	:(
16:41	@mikegrb	heh
16:41		* EFudd nods
16:41	EFudd	ok. enough i remember when. :P
16:41	@mikegrb	I ran on ircd under win 3.11 to play
16:41	EFudd	WTF
16:41	EFudd	/k mikegrb
16:41	@mikegrb	:<
16:41	cdlu	mikegrb: you should know that I used Linux before I used Windows :)
16:41	@mikegrb	I was like 10 bish
16:41	@mikegrb	I hadn't heard of linux then
16:41	EFudd	IGNORANCE VIA AGE IS NOT AN EXCUSE
16:41	cdlu	by _years_
16:42	EFudd	I was mad lucky.
16:42	@mikegrb	though my first isp introduced me to a shell
16:42	EFudd	The FIRST linsux BBS mirror in the US was "Johnny's Place BBS"
16:42	EFudd	and it was local to me
16:42	EFudd	:-)
16:42	EFudd	note: there were only like 3 BBSes in my AREA CODE EVER.
16:42	@mikegrb	and I actually ended up with root on their dial in /web server in 7th grade
16:42		* EFudd snickers
16:42	@mikegrb	hmm I wonder if sudo existed then
16:42	@mikegrb	I guess not
16:42	@mikegrb	EFudd: spiffy
16:43	@mikegrb	we had like 50
16:43	EFudd	i remember talking to a friend who had admin on a local computer stores WWIV BBS...
16:43	@mikegrb	local pc user's group had a monthly paper
16:43	@mikegrb	listed bbs's
16:43	EFudd	friend was going "Apparently you can't format C: under WWIV. It stops it."
16:43	EFudd	I talked him into giving me admin password.
16:43	EFudd	....
16:43	@mikegrb	heh
16:43	@mikegrb	didn't talk him into it again
16:43	@guinea-pig	mikegrb: when was 7th grade? :P
16:43	EFudd	the next week friend was at computer store where Jorge says "Greg, know what happened to the BBS? I came in yesterday and it was just Gone !"
16:43	@mikegrb	umm
16:43		* mikegrb counts
16:44	EFudd	lesson learned: You can indeed format C: through WWIV command console.
16:44	@guinea-pig	stop counting
16:44	@guinea-pig	Sudo was first conceived and implemented by Bob Coggeshall and Cliff
16:44	@guinea-pig	Spencer around 1980 at the Department of Computer Science at
16:44	@guinea-pig	SUNY/Buffalo. It ran on a VAX-11/750 running 4.1BSD.
16:44	@mikegrb	oh thanks
16:44	@guinea-pig	np
16:45	@mikegrb	so it was already around
16:45	@mikegrb	I went there on days I didn't have school
16:45		* EFudd bets if he was less of an overall asshole in #linode and didn't have to tell people to /ignore him, that he'd get opped :P
16:45	@mikegrb	worked all day
16:45		* EFudd isntalls PCBoard 15.21
16:46	@mikegrb	one day when stuff was down and I called to see what was up they said "why aren't you in school" "home sick :p" "you have your own line, right?" "yes" "can we fwd the support number there?" "sure" :D
16:46	@mikegrb	small isp 4 or 5 people
16:46	@mikegrb	mainly geeks
16:46	@mikegrb	they were busy fixing stuff so I took the load off of them by dealing with people calling in every 5 sec to see what is up
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17:09		* adamg waits for time to pass
17:10	adamg	caker: do you email people if they are flagged as a fraud risk for further info?
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17:24	@caker	ytalk rocket
17:24	@caker	rocked even
17:25	adamg	ssh really does seem to use alot of bw
17:26	@caker	adamg: Usually it's more obvious (that it's fraudulent) when I don't activate the account and never hear from them again.
17:26	adamg	k
17:26	@caker	in ses's case, there were two signups within an hour from each other, same IP, different names, countries, and CC
17:27	adamg	right, that would look dodgy
17:27	@caker	also in ses's case, he provided me the wrong phone number (off by one digit), which I did call
17:27	@caker	so I wrote him off
17:28	@caker	but he's set now :)
17:28	adamg	god it is going to be hard for me to get back into my 2ndserver development one look at the db and I am confused
17:28	adamg	still dont have the time to touch it for a few months
17:30	@caker	my new limiter patch is great, if I do say so myself.. Already cranked down some baddies on host7 and host8 :)
17:31	adamg	I am hitting the swap hard
17:32	@caker	not as far as the host can tell (which is good)
17:32	adamg	yeah
17:33	adamg	using about 120 meg swap
17:33	adamg	been running vmstat solid for about 3 days, intresting to see what is going on
17:33	@caker	a lot in swap can be just fine --- it's only when thrashing it in and out does the host take a hit
17:34	@caker	vmstat++
17:34	adamg	just shows I need more ram
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17:37		* BB looks at caker and wonders who was a baddie on host8
17:37	adamg	well the month ends in 2 days
17:37	adamg	so caker when are we getting 2.6 on the host
17:37	@caker	BB: not you :)
17:38	BB	caker heh
17:39	@caker	adamg: Right. 2.6 on the host isn't as much of a priority now that I have a this method to place limits on i/o per UML
17:39		* EFudd notes host6 people are all pretty polite !
17:39	@caker	adamg: so I might delay the reboots
17:41	adamg	is the limiter on all the machines then
17:41	@caker	It's inside the UML kernel (linode24). So, next time you reboot you'll get it
17:41	@caker	the defaults are set very high - just there as a break, but I can change it live
17:42	@caker	http://www.theshore.net/~caker/patches/
17:42		* EFudd notes the code doesn't lack
17:42	@caker	EFudd: thanks :)
17:42	@caker	<-- c/kernel newb
17:43	EFudd	it's a pretty good method.
17:43	@caker	But, I've stared at the UML code for over a year now
17:43	EFudd	aye. that helps a ton.
17:44	BB	caker is port 3128 blocked?
17:45	@caker	BB: at ThePlanet? hrm - it's not on my list .. lemme check from the host
17:45	BB	i think it is as it drops 2 hops before but 3129 works
17:46	@caker	BB: if this is your Linode, I can't find either ports open
17:46	@caker	(from the host)
17:46	BB	i just moved it to 3129
17:46	BB	i'l put it back on 3128
17:47	BB	its back listening on 3128 now
17:47	@caker	ok, from host8 it sees it (now trying from here)
17:47	@caker	3128/tcp filtered squid-http
17:47	@caker	looks that way
17:47	@caker	are you ok running it on a different port?
17:47	BB	yeah
17:47	@caker	cool
17:48	BB	its just i looked on the list and ran it ;), then wondered why i couldnt connect heh
18:02		* adamg looks thought cakers pics
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18:08	EFudd	debian makes me cry.
18:09	CaptSwaggerPa	\| directly after it violates your body I presume?
18:09		* EFudd nods
18:09	EFudd	you've apparently had the same problem :/
18:09	adamg	http://www.theshore.net/~caker/trip/Trek_Across_America/Man&Machine.JPG
18:09	CaptSwaggerPa	\| No. But I imagine that Debian is such a manly distro that that would be how it does things.
18:09	EFudd	Ah ha.
18:10	CaptSwaggerPa	\| in most cases debian seems to do the right thing imo
18:11	EFudd	no, it does.
18:11	EFudd	The best way i can describe it is this: "every time i type apt-cache install and apt-get search i am sad."
18:11	EFudd	sure, i could alias my way around those issues....
18:12	CaptSwaggerPa	\| haha
18:12	adamg	http://www.theshore.net/~caker/trip/Motorcycle/001.JPG
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18:12	adamg	your bikes caker
18:12	CaptSwaggerPa	\| ym that you don't know how to type
18:12	@caker	the one on the left is
18:12	CaptSwaggerPa	\| it's like when I type "grep 'foo'" and then nothing happens for a long time
18:13	@caker	that's about 300 miles from Nashville
18:13		* EFudd nods
18:13	@caker	near NC/TN border
18:13	EFudd	mmmm deals gap
18:13	@caker	oh yeah!
18:13	EFudd	i didn't drive the gap, but i drove some other equally fun roads with my first z06 :)
18:13	@caker	nice
18:13	EFudd	enough to make my sister physically sick :)
18:14	@caker	DG is insane
18:14	EFudd	(and refused to ride back home with me)
18:14	EFudd	Yeah.. it was kinda outta my way when i was last there
18:14	@caker	The rumor goes, when they made the road, they got paid by the amount of pavement they laid, rather than time/distance/etc .. 319 turns in 11 miles
18:15	EFudd	I generally get the insanity part correct, but am often off a little on the exacts. i think i last claimed 311 turns 13 miles
18:15	@caker	What is Deal's Gap? It's the Dragon's lair of 318 turns in 11 miles. -- dealsgap.com
18:15	@caker	I win
18:16	@caker	EFudd: :-p
18:16	EFudd	heh :)
18:16	@caker	and probably 319 wrecks each year
18:16	@caker	and a death every weekend or so
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18:16	EFudd	but if yer crazy enough to try
18:17	EFudd	best video is minibike one tho :)
18:17	@caker	hell yeah
18:17	@caker	The guy who owned that old BMW in that picture, took me on my first motorcycle trip to Deal's Gap, probably only after I owned the bike for like a month :)
18:18	@caker	(I rode dirt-bikes as a kid/teen)
18:18		* eurozip rides every day
18:18	@caker	BMW riders are more elitist than Harley riders
18:18	@caker	which I was suprised to discover
18:18	eurozip	harley riders kick ass
18:18	eurozip	heh
18:20	@caker	http://www.theshore.net/~caker/trip/Motorcycle/010.JPG <-- stud
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19:07	@mikegrb	caker: that's a pretty spiffy picture
19:07	@mikegrb	where is that at?
19:07	@mikegrb	(other then that guy on the left)
19:10	chris	Which is caker?
19:12	@mikegrb	on left
19:12	@mikegrb	the guy with long hair
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19:16		* EFudd begins stage1 bootstrap
19:17		* mikegrb bootstraps emcnabb
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19:17	@mikegrb	er EFudd
19:17	inkblot	doot doot dooooooooooo
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19:17		* EFudd looks at mike again
19:17	@mikegrb	;)
19:18	EFudd	friends don't let friends use nick completion.
19:18	@mikegrb	:<
19:18		* mikegrb can't be arsed to type nicks out
19:20	EFudd	that's why you should just calle veryone fucktard :)
19:20	chris	He'd still have to type that out
19:21	EFudd	it's implied.
19:21	@mikegrb	;)
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20:03	adamg	hi umluser
20:05	umluser	hey there
20:05	umluser	This service looks pretty cool
20:05	@inkblot	it keeps my plants alive
20:06	umluser	cant ask for much more
20:06	@mikegrb	you too? spif
20:06	umluser	has it been around for a while?
20:06	@inkblot	almost a year
20:06	umluser	:}
20:08	umluser	do the servers get "loady", like some shared services?
20:08	@inkblot	if by "loady" you mean "oversold", then no
20:09	@inkblot	there are some i/o contention issues which are being worked on
20:09	umluser	:}
20:09	@inkblot	the host resources are never oversold, though
20:10	umluser	that is good
20:12	umluser	l8te
20:12	@mikegrb	inkblot: apache broke my linode
20:12	@mikegrb	inkblot: host was on 2.6 so everything was good :D
20:12	@guinea-dead	haha
20:13	@guinea-dead	oh right. reload vs. restart.
20:13	@inkblot	mikegrb, ?
20:13	@inkblot	how did apache break your linode?
20:13	@mikegrb	I helped it ;)
20:13	@mikegrb	added a BindAddress directive and did reload
20:14	@mikegrb	it needed restart I guess
20:14	@mikegrb	took up all ram and swap
20:14	@guinea-dead	hehe
20:14	@inkblot	ha ha
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20:30	qaz	anything up with host17?
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21:04	@caker	qaz: let me check
21:05	@caker	qaz: seems ok
21:09	@mikegrb	obviously you are not checking the right things then caker
21:09	@mikegrb	caker: I tried to malloc 10GB of ram and got an error, what's wrong?
21:10		* EFudd snicker
21:12	@caker	http://www.theshore.net/~caker/patches/eatmem.c
21:12	@caker	./eatmem 20000 loop &
21:12	@caker	run about 5 of those :)
21:12	@caker	that's one of the things I used to test the limiter
21:13	EFudd	omg
21:14	EFudd	space that code out
21:14	EFudd	:P
21:14	@caker	I nabbed it from some place, and don't really care :)
21:14	EFudd	it hurts my left liver to read.
21:14	@caker	aren't there code beautifiers?
21:14	EFudd	yeah :P
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21:47	@caker	uh oh - Rus from JVDS purchased a Linode for a backup server :)
21:48	@guinea-pig	haha
21:49	@mikegrb	:O
21:49	@mikegrb	"Linode, so wonderful even JVDS uses it."
21:49	@caker	"Linode - even the competition uses us"
21:49	@caker	hehe
21:50	SupaDongzu	"Linode: We're Cute!"
21:50	vitrum	caker: kinda amusing i read a post by him on their own forum admitting that their control panel isn't as good as yours :) caker++
21:50	@guinea-pig	SupaDongzu++
21:50	@caker	When I first launched, he bugged me forever to resell my CP
21:50	@mikegrb	SupaDongzu: omg you are sooo cute
21:50	@guinea-pig	haha
21:51	@mikegrb	vitrum: heh
21:51	@guinea-pig	caker: your CP rocks.
21:51	@caker	it's ok
21:51	@guinea-pig	now if only i didn't hate the term "CP"
21:51	@caker	yeah .. not many people know what LPM is
21:51	@guinea-pig	associate it with that other operating system
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21:51	@caker	Hello matt
21:52	mattcowger	Hi
21:52	@guinea-pig	i'm afraid i can't quiet figure LPM out
21:52	@guinea-pig	quite
21:52	@caker	mattcowger: if arp -n shows a MAC address starting with FF: or FE:, lemme know
21:52	@caker	mattcowger: (for any of the x.x.x.1 addresses)
21:53	@caker	Linode Platform Manager
21:53	mattcowger	So, strangeness....here, at home, from my cable connection, I can get to my linode.just fine, but not from a shell account at my university.
21:53	mattcowger	onlything in my arp tables is:
21:53	mattcowger	gateway-he-li4.linode.com (66.220.1.1) at 00:30:71:F0:1C:55 [ether] on eth0
21:53	@caker	that looks correct.
21:54	mattcowger	strange....all of a sudden it appears to have corrected itself...i can get in now
21:55	mattcowger	very weird that from one site I can do a sull traceroute, but from another, I cant
21:55	@guinea-pig	the second site may be blocking certain things?
21:56	mattcowger	no, its happening after it gets to he:
21:56	mattcowger	> traceroute -n www.cowger.us
21:56	mattcowger	traceroute to www.cowger.us (66.220.1.225), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
21:56	mattcowger	1 152.117.96.1 0.427 ms 0.387 ms 0.374 ms
21:56	mattcowger	2 208.186.64.33 2.831 ms 3.076 ms 1.814 ms
21:56	mattcowger	3 208.186.29.253 3.877 ms 3.034 ms 3.283 ms
21:56	mattcowger	4 208.186.20.34 3.079 ms 5.289 ms 2.614 ms
21:56	mattcowger	5 208.186.21.2 10.479 ms 7.861 ms 7.508 ms
21:56	mattcowger	6 207.173.115.42 24.233 ms 21.373 ms 24.033 ms
21:56	mattcowger	7 208.186.20.242 21.733 ms 21.958 ms 25.596 ms
21:56	mattcowger	8 207.173.114.57 26.679 ms 31.348 ms 24.596 ms
21:56	mattcowger	9 207.173.114.138 28.157 ms 24.977 ms 25.256 ms
21:56	mattcowger	10 198.32.176.20 28.505 ms 25.705 ms 26.337 ms
21:56	mattcowger	11 64.62.249.121 26.964 ms 28.664 ms 26.526 ms
21:56	mattcowger	12 * * *
21:56	mattcowger	13 * * *
21:56	mattcowger	14 * * *
21:56	mattcowger	15 * * *
21:56	mattcowger	16 * * *
21:56	mattcowger	17 * *^C
21:56	mattcowger	sorry for the flood
21:56	mattcowger	didnt realize it would do it like that
21:56	mattcowger	and from the site that works:
21:56	mattcowger	Tracing route to www.cowger.us [66.220.1.225]
21:56	mattcowger	over a maximum of 30 hops:
21:56	mattcowger
21:56	mattcowger	1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.2
21:56	mattcowger	2 1 ms 3 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
21:56	mattcowger	3 * * * Request timed out.
21:56	mattcowger	4 61 ms 12 ms 8 ms 12.244.20.193
21:56	mattcowger	5 22 ms 9 ms 9 ms 12.244.0.9
21:56	mattcowger	6 24 ms 11 ms 11 ms 12.244.72.18
21:57	mattcowger	7 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms tbr1-p012402.st6wa.ip.att.net [12.122.5.174]
21:57