TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2004:03:26

---	Log	opened Fri Mar 26 00:00:55 2004
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04:21	dsp^	is there something going on with host8?
04:21	dsp^	responsiveness of my linode has gone down the tubes
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---	Log	opened Fri Mar 26 08:40:01 2004
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09:30	slacker	sighup mirror
09:30	sighup	mirror is This can refer to many things in the land of technology. Most often, it is used to describe a method of redundancy where data is mirrored across two devices, whether they are physically separate devices or not. Basically, the same data is written to both devices, so if one device fails, the other can be used and the data will be fine. As far as disk drive redundancy is concerned, when drives are mirrored, they are in a RAID 1 configuration. See RAID 1
09:30	---	User: *** slacker is now known as You_Wish
09:31	You_Wish	yooo anybody live
09:44	inkblot	no
09:46	You_Wish	anybody know how people setup mirror websites
09:47	You_Wish	How do the mirror websites
09:47	inkblot	depends
09:47	inkblot	do you have shell access to the main server?
09:47	You_Wish	does somebody just copy the site from one place to another
09:48	You_Wish	yes i have shell access
09:48	inkblot	ok then
09:48	inkblot	rsync
09:48	You_Wish	that is how they do it
09:49	You_Wish	interesting
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09:50	You_Wish	if i typed that in my shell would anything happen
09:50	You_Wish	hey jake wb
09:50	inkblot	you mean just "rsync"?
09:50	You_Wish	yes
09:50	inkblot	yes, something would happen
09:50	You_Wish	what
09:50	jake	You_Wish: hey
09:50	You_Wish	give me example
09:51	You_Wish	jake you got time today to walk me thru
09:51	inkblot	you'd get a screenfull of output describing the usage of rsync
09:51	You_Wish	k
09:51	inkblot	i.e. the "help" page
09:51	You_Wish	k
09:51	You_Wish	let me try
09:51	You_Wish	nope
09:51	You_Wish	i guess i have to download it
09:52	inkblot	apt-get install rsync
09:52	jake	You_Wish: I can try
09:52	You_Wish	thanks inkblot
09:53	You_Wish	jake let me download it
09:53	jake	k
09:53	You_Wish	jake should it go in root or my folders i use for web
09:53	jake	do you have apache, mod_ssl and mysql up and running
09:53	You_Wish	yup
09:53	jake	k
09:53	You_Wish	all up and running
09:53	jake	is it going to be the only thing hosted, or a virtual host
09:54	You_Wish	i guess it would be virtual
09:54	You_Wish	cause i got forums and other pages up
09:54	jake	well, by virual is it a differnt name, or just a different directory?
09:55	jake	www.blah.com/catalog
09:55	jake	or www.myshop.com
09:55	You_Wish	i want to beable to run it from a home directory
09:56	You_Wish	all my home directories have virtural pages on them
09:56	jake	ok so www.blah.com/~bob
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09:57	sjansen	Do we have a mod_rewrite user in the house?
09:57	jake	sjansen: what do you need, a simple example?
09:57	sjansen	Help debugging.
09:57	jake	sjansen: hmmm, no not for me sorry
09:59	You_Wish	jake do i need to log into blah or something
09:59	You_Wish	jake ok it is download to root directory
09:59	jake	well, you can do it all as root if you want, we can set permissions late
10:00	You_Wish	k
10:00	jake	so you have a www or public_html directory for each user
10:00	jake	and have you downloaded oscommerce?
10:00	You_Wish	oscommerce is download now
10:01	You_Wish	example /home/web1/webpage/index
10:01	jake	ok, so here are the steps....
10:01	You_Wish	example /home/web1/webpage/forum
10:01	jake	1. create mysql database
10:01	jake	2. give proper permissions to database
10:01	jake	3. extract oscommerce
10:01	jake	4. copy needed files to web directory
10:01	jake	5. set file permissions
10:01	jake	6. finish install with oscommerce install pages
10:02	jake	7. seel lots of products
10:02	jake	ok, so lets start with mysql how much do you know?
10:02	You_Wish	very little
10:03	You_Wish	but table is made
10:03	jake	database or tabl
10:03	jake	e
10:03	You_Wish	the database nane is oscommerce
10:03	jake	ok
10:03	jake	did you set permissions?
10:03	You_Wish	dont know how
10:03	jake	ok
10:03	jake	so
10:03	You_Wish	or what to make them
10:03	jake	# mysql -u root -p mysql
10:04	jake	once in let me know
10:04	jake	if you don't have a password, then leave out the -p
10:04	You_Wish	i am it
10:05	You_Wish	i am it mysql
10:05	jake	grant all on oscommerce.* to <username>@localhost identified by '<password>';
10:05	jake	pick a username and password
10:05	jake	then....
10:05	jake	flush privileges;
10:06	jake	hopefully you don't get any errors
10:06	You_Wish	is the correct grant all on oscommerce.* to test@localhost identified by 'testpass';
10:06	jake	looks good
10:07	You_Wish	i can change later right
10:07	inkblot	sjansen, i [heart] mod_rewrite
10:07	jake	hmmm, yeah it is in 2 config files later on
10:07	jake	so now you need to extrac oscommerce, I recommend extracting it to /tmp or somewhere like that then we will copy in what we need
10:08	You_Wish	k
10:08	jake	ok, so now for where you want it, do you want in a sub directory(standard is catalog) or just in the web root
10:09	sjansen	inkblot: can you see anything wrong with these directives?
10:09	sjansen	RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^.?q=.?WebRescuer.*$ [NC]
10:09	sjansen	RewriteRule ^/$ http://buscaluz.org/blog/2004/03/15/000033.html [R=permanent]
10:09	sjansen	Basically, if someone comes to my homepage on a search engine query for WebRescuer, I want to redirect them to the specified page.
10:09	You_Wish	jake should i get out of mysql now
10:09	jake	once you decide which directory you want it in ....
10:09	jake	You_Wish: yes
10:09	jake	\q
10:10	jake	cd <directory_to>
10:10	jake	cp -R <oscommerce_extracted>/catalog/* .
10:10	adamg	sighup net ping host12
10:10	sighup	adamg: what?
10:10	adamg	sighup netping host12
10:11	You_Wish	making temp now
10:11	jake	You_Wish: ok
10:11	adamg	sighup ping caker
10:11	sighup	caker: ping! ping! ping!
10:11	sighup	caker was last seen on #linode 10 hours, 13 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: the host wasn't down in this case, just your Linode thought the gateway was somewhere else [1080277066]
10:11	You_Wish	sorry i am slow
10:11	sjansen	inkblot: I've got rewrite logging on, with the loglevel at 9, but nothing is being written.
10:11	inkblot	sjansen, oh, conditionals
10:11	jake	You_Wish: not a problem
10:11	inkblot	hmmm
10:11	adamg	can anyone ping host12
10:12	jake	adamg: nope :-(
10:12	sjansen	adamg: yep :-)
10:12	inkblot	sjansen, i haven't used RewriteCond
10:12	inkblot	sorry
10:12	adamg	anyone else
10:12	inkblot	adamg, i can
10:13	You_Wish	ok i made temp directory in root and file is there
10:13	You_Wish	now i am untar it
10:13	adamg	seems to be back now
10:13	jake	ok, so run the cp command I put above
10:13	jake	so you want to copy all the contents in the catalog dir to wherever you want to put them in the web root
10:14	You_Wish	ok now it is untar in temp
10:15	You_Wish	should this be like this cd temp?
10:15	You_Wish	<jake> cd <directory_to>
10:15	You_Wish	<jake> cp -R <oscommerce_extracted>/catalog/* .
10:15	jake	cd /home/web1/blah/
10:16	jake	anyone here use Zend optimizer?
10:17	You_Wish	jake this is where i get lost
10:17	jake	ok
10:18	jake	so what is confusing you?
10:18	You_Wish	i want to put run the os forum /home/ircd/web
10:18	You_Wish	so what do i do next
10:18	You_Wish	i dont get this <You_Wish> <jake> cd <directory_to>
10:18	You_Wish	<You_Wish> <jake> cp -R <oscommerce_extracted>/catalog/* .
10:19	jake	ok, so /home/ircd/web is an empty directory right now that apache is going to serve up?
10:19	You_Wish	there is a web page in web
10:19	You_Wish	and there is a forum also
10:19	jake	ok, and apache is servin it ok
10:19	You_Wish	yes
10:20	You_Wish	both work page and forum are working form that directory
10:20	jake	ok, so do you want oscommecr to be the default of that site or would you like to put in a sub directory
10:20	You_Wish	sub
10:20	jake	ok
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10:20	jake	cd /home/ircd/web
10:20	jake	mkdir catalog
10:20	jake	cd catalog
10:21	jake	cp -R /root/temp/oscommer.../catalog/* .
10:21	You_Wish	[root@YourWishes ircd]# cd web
10:21	You_Wish	[root@YourWishes web]# mkdir catalog
10:21	You_Wish	[root@YourWishes web]# cd catalog
10:21	You_Wish	[root@YourWishes catalog]# cp -R /root/temp/oscommer.../catalog/* .
10:21	You_Wish	cp: cannot stat `/root/temp/oscommer.../catalog/*': No such file or directory
10:21	You_Wish	[root@YourWishes catalog]#
10:22	jake	sorry /root/temp/oscommer.../catalog/* wasn't literal
10:22	You_Wish	i am retarded
10:22	jake	hehe
10:22	You_Wish	so what would i put
10:22	inkblot	You_Wish, run this: PS1='[\u@\h:\w]\$ '
10:23	You_Wish	inkblot no offense but your making me nervous
10:23	inkblot	fear of the unknown
10:23	inkblot	you'll get over it
10:24	inkblot	it'll help prevent you from getting lost
10:24	You_Wish	jake you still with me
10:24	jake	You_Wish: where did you extract oscommerce
10:24	You_Wish	root/temp
10:25	You_Wish	god i hope my logs are on
10:25	jake	ok cd /root/temp
10:26	You_Wish	k
10:26	You_Wish	done
10:26	jake	You_Wish: if I disapper for a bit, it is only because my boss is around
10:26	You_Wish	k
10:26	You_Wish	tyt
10:26	jake	ok in /root/temp
10:26	You_Wish	yes
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10:27	jake	oscommerce made a directory cd into that directory
10:27	You_Wish	oscommerce-2.2ms2 oscommerce-2.2ms2.tar.gz
10:27	You_Wish	[root@YourWishes oscommerce-2.2ms2]#
10:27	jake	cd /root/temp/oscommerce-2.2ms2
10:27	You_Wish	done
10:27	jake	ok, now...
10:28	jake	cp -R catalog/* /home/ircd/web/catalog/
10:28	You_Wish	done
10:28	You_Wish	there is no way i would have figure this out
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10:29	jake	ok, so cd /home/ircd/web/catalog
10:30	You_Wish	done
10:30	jake	ok , so if you ls, you should see a bunch of php files
10:31	You_Wish	yup
10:31	You_Wish	full of stuff
10:31	jake	k , what group does apache run as?
10:31	jake	probably apache or nobody
10:31	You_Wish	hmm
10:31	You_Wish	dont know how to answer that
10:31	You_Wish	i dont know
10:32	jake	ok
10:32	You_Wish	i just know it works
10:32	jake	hehe using fedora?
10:32	You_Wish	rh8
10:32	jake	ok, so it should run as apache
10:32	jake	so....
10:32	You_Wish	i thing it is apache
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10:33	jake	chown -R ircd:apache *
10:33	jake	assuming pwd = /home/ircd/web/catalog
10:33	You_Wish	done
10:33	jake	chmod -R g+w *
10:33	You_Wish	done
10:33	jake	these are just trick I have picked up that makes things work much nicer
10:34	You_Wish	k
10:34	jake	ok, so now you should be able to bring up the install pages and finish the install
10:34	You_Wish	k
10:34	jake	what is the url
10:34	jake	if you don't mind I'd like to bring it up here too to double check everything
10:35	jake	just the web site url
10:35	You_Wish	http://www.yourwishes.net
10:35	You_Wish	that should be it
10:35	You_Wish	correction
10:35	You_Wish	http://irc.yourwishes.net
10:36	jake	ok so go to http://irc.yourwishes.net/catalog/install/
10:36	jake	you should get
10:36	jake	FATAL ERROR: register_globals is disabled in php.ini, please enable it!
10:36	You_Wish	FATAL ERROR: register_globals is disabled in php.ini, please enable it!
10:36	You_Wish	yup
10:36	jake	hehe
10:36	You_Wish	keke
10:36	jake	ok so do you know vi?
10:36	You_Wish	pico
10:36	jake	great
10:36	jake	pico /etc/php.ini
10:37	jake	look for the register_globals and enable it
10:37	You_Wish	i am in
10:38	You_Wish	looking for it
10:38	jake	ok
10:38	You_Wish	change to on
10:39	You_Wish	no exit and save?
10:39	jake	ok save and quit
10:39	You_Wish	k
10:39	You_Wish	done
10:39	jake	/etc/init.d/httpd restart
10:39	You_Wish	done
10:40	jake	ok, go to http://irc.yourwishes.net/catalog/install/ again
10:40	You_Wish	wow
10:40	You_Wish	i am in
10:40	jake	hehe, ok, seelct install
10:40	jake	first screen both things should be ok
10:41	You_Wish	k
10:41	You_Wish	next
10:41	jake	on sec I am going to do an install on my box so I can follow along
10:41	You_Wish	k
10:41	You_Wish	yes my logs are on
10:42	You_Wish	there is no way i could figure this out on my own
10:42	You_Wish	i would have been here for years
10:42	jake	hehe
10:42	jake	ok so this screen, just hit continue
10:42	You_Wish	second screen continue correct
10:43	jake	one sec, need to create a database here
10:43	You_Wish	k
10:44	jake	ok, so database server
10:44	jake	localhost
10:44	jake	username, what we used in the grant command
10:44	jake	password what was used in the grant command
10:44	jake	databasename oscommerce
10:44	jake	session storage in the database
10:45	You_Wish	continue?
10:45	jake	then continue
10:45	jake	A test connection made to the database was successful.
10:45	jake	????
10:45	You_Wish	connect is good
10:45	jake	cool continue
10:46	jake	The database import was successful!
10:46	jake	???
10:46	You_Wish	import good
10:46	jake	continue
10:46	You_Wish	done
10:46	jake	ok, now double check all these settings, it should autodetect everything though
10:46	jake	then the "Enable SSL...
10:46	jake	are you going to use ssl?
10:47	You_Wish	not sure if ssl is on this machine
10:47	jake	ok, leave it off for now
10:47	You_Wish	k
10:47	jake	you can change it later
10:47	You_Wish	k
10:47	You_Wish	click continue
10:47	jake	if everything looks good, the continue
10:47	You_Wish	looks good
10:47	You_Wish	done
10:48	jake	just a confirmation, you can click continue
10:48	You_Wish	done
10:48	jake	go to the catalog to start
10:48	You_Wish	there
10:48	jake	you should see some red errors up on top, follow what they say
10:48	jake	so rm -rf /home/ircd/web/catalog/install
10:49	jake	chmod g-w /home/ircd/web/catalog/includes/configure.php
10:49	You_Wish	done
10:50	jake	reload the page and the red should go away
10:50	You_Wish	red gone
10:50	jake	cool
10:50	jake	go to http://irc.yourwishes.net/catalog/admin/
10:50	jake	that's the admin section
10:50	jake	from this point on, just play to learn
10:50	You_Wish	jake you are awsome
10:51	You_Wish	the was pure art
10:51	jake	figure out what it does if yo utotally screw it up reinstall it and try again
10:51	You_Wish	i give jake five stars *****
10:51	jake	the only other thing is the /admin section should be secured
10:51	You_Wish	k
10:51	You_Wish	how to secure
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10:52	jake	well, do you want to do it now or you want to play for a bit
10:53	You_Wish	i would rather be safe
10:53	You_Wish	play later
10:53	jake	ok, so have you edited the apache config file yet
10:53	You_Wish	i have many times
10:54	jake	ok so in the section for virtual host irc.xxx.net, add this
10:54	jake	<Directory "/home/msviki/www/html/admin">
10:54	jake	AllowOverride AuthConfig
10:54	jake	</Directory>
10:54	jake	hehe
10:54	jake	<Directory "/home/irc/web/catalog/admin">
10:54	jake	AllowOverride AuthConfig
10:54	jake	</Directory>
10:54	jake	I think I still have a type
10:54	jake	typo
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10:54	jake	but you get the idea
10:54	slacker	crap
10:55	slacker	i hope i just didn't drop the logs
10:55	slacker	this is youwish
10:55	jake	ohhh, fun
10:55	slacker	what was last statememtn
10:55	jake	I can email you my log
10:55	slacker	k
10:55	slacker	yourwishes@bellsouth.net
10:55	jake	ok
10:55	slacker	correction
10:55	slacker	yourwish@bellsouth.net
10:56	jake	so did you get the <directory settings in apache done?
10:56	slacker	nope
10:56	slacker	missed it
10:56	jake	ok, so you need <Directory "/home/ircd/web/catalog/admin">
10:56	jake	AllowOverride AuthConfig
10:56	jake	</Directory>
10:57	jake	in the virtual host config for irc....net
10:57	slacker	hmm
10:57	jake	???
10:57	slacker	lost me
10:58	jake	Or just globally in the httpd.conf file
10:58	jake	look in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
10:58	slacker	i am in it now
10:58	jake	look for AllowOverride and change it to AuthConfig
10:58	jake	or if you are using a <virtualhost, put it in there
11:00	slacker	done
11:00	slacker	changes applied
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11:01	jake	slacker: ok, so /etc/init.d/httpd restart
11:02	jake	then
11:02	jake	cd /home/ircd/web/catalog/admin
11:02	slacker	done
11:02	jake	pico .htaccess
11:02	slacker	nothing there blank
11:02	jake	?
11:02	slacker	blank page
11:03	jake	in the admin directory
11:03	slacker	nothing is there
11:03	jake	pico .htaccess
11:03	jake	with the .
11:03	slacker	ops
11:03	slacker	sorry
11:03	jake	hehe
11:03	jake	ok so right below the </IfModule>
11:03	jake	add....
11:03	slacker	there
11:03	jake	AuthUserFile /home/ircd/web/catalog/.htpasswd
11:03	jake	AuthName Secure
11:03	jake	AuthType basic
11:03	jake	require valid-user
11:04	slacker	done
11:04	jake	ok save and quit
11:04	jake	then
11:05	jake	cd /home/ircd/web/catalog
11:05	slacker	done
11:05	jake	ok , so
11:06	slacker	did it
11:06	jake	htpasswd -c .htpasswd <username>
11:06	jake	then give it a password
11:07	slacker	should it be the same pass as oscommerce
11:07	jake	doesn't matter, they are independant
11:07	jake	then try http://irc.yourwishes.net/catalog/admin
11:07	jake	should ask for username and password, and you are golden, assuming you can log in
11:08	jake	you may need to close current browser and open a new one though
11:09	slacker	hmm
11:09	slacker	not good
11:09	slacker	wrong pass
11:09	jake	?
11:09	jake	is t working now?
11:09	slacker	says wrong pass
11:09	jake	hehe
11:09	jake	ahhh
11:10	jake	in /home/ircd/web/catalog
11:10	jake	chown apache:apache .htpasswd
11:10	jake	then try again
11:10	slacker	cool
11:10	slacker	in
11:11	jake	except for adding ssl, you are good
11:11	slacker	jake your are awsome
11:11	slacker	i owe ya
11:11	jake	np
11:11	slacker	that was fun
11:12	slacker	excuse me while i jump around the room
11:14	jake	hehe
11:14	jake	you want me to mail you this
11:14	slacker	please
11:15	slacker	alot of great information
11:15	slacker	i have like 3 other projects i have been working on that i can use to fix those with
11:16	jake	hmmm, doesn't want me to save it?
11:16	jake	X-Chat???
11:16	slacker	i seen alot of stuff i was just totally in the wrong area
11:16	slacker	mirc
11:16		* slacker is using ~�v�~ ��M�� ~�v�~ (sup)
11:18		* chris goes to read about how to setup /etc/shadow auth with exim
11:18	jake	mirc costs money though
11:19	slacker	jake i just checked the logs
11:19	slacker	all is there
11:19	jake	ok, cool
11:20	slacker	my mirc is like 8 years old
11:20	jake	cool
11:20	slacker	i think it was free then
11:21	slacker	best mirc script i have ever seen
11:21	slacker	i wished i could import it to xchat
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11:21	You_Wish	jake thanks again for your awsome time
11:22	You_Wish	that is why love linode
11:22	jake	hehe
11:22	jake	no prob, gott do some wreal work now
11:22	You_Wish	keke
11:22	You_Wish	ok
11:22	You_Wish	cya
11:22	jake	cya
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11:27	jake	You_Wish hmmm, trying out mirc
11:27	You_Wish	mirc sucks
11:27	You_Wish	the new one anyway
11:27	You_Wish	to many holes in it
11:27	jake	You_Wish think I like XChat better
11:27	You_Wish	i agree
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11:28	jake	that's better
11:31	You_Wish	the best one i have seen that works on linux and windows is kirc
11:31	You_Wish	trying to find the rite link
11:31	inkblot	ha ha mirc
11:31	You_Wish	it is in kde
11:32	---	Channel: mode/#linode [+o inkblot] by ChanServ
11:32	You_Wish	it is pretty much open so you can add or make your own script
11:32	@inkblot	ha ha
11:33	You_Wish	i am not referring to mirc
11:33	@inkblot	any irc client worth any iota of your attention has that
11:33	You_Wish	i am not sure if this or not http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/kirc.html
11:34	You_Wish	if it is that one will put xchat and mirc in its place
11:34	@inkblot	<You_Wish> i am not sure if this or not http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/kirc.html
11:35	@inkblot	PARSE ERROR
11:35	You_Wish	i dont think that is the main site
11:35	You_Wish	still looking
11:38	sinned	i don't like graphical irc clients at all
11:39	You_Wish	jake i will have to dig out my old backup cds to find that good one
11:39	@inkblot	the machines i run my irc clients on don't even have keyboards
11:39	You_Wish	not sure if you can text it
11:40	You_Wish	ok time for me to do real work
11:49	Tenkawa	inkblot: same here
11:49	Tenkawa	no kbs on these boxes
11:50	Tenkawa	cant wait till my cpu's get here :)
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11:52	Tenkawa	dual 2600 Bartons are going to be so sweet
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13:04	noog	where can i cancel my account?
13:04	noog	or do i ring my bank and ask them to deny future payments? :/
13:04	schweeb	put in a ticket
13:04	noog	k :)
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13:35	chris	wow, exim is taking considerably less memory than postfix was
13:37	SupaDongzu	yep
13:41	chris	I actually have 14 MB free instead of .5
13:57	Tenkawa	does postgresql support triggers and stored procs yet?
14:02	SupaDongzu	triggers, certainly
14:02	SupaDongzu	that's how sequences are implemented
14:02	Tenkawa	nod..
14:02	SupaDongzu	I think I've played with stored procs, but I can't recall
14:02	SupaDongzu	I don't do much DB stuff
14:03	Tenkawa	just trying to determine if this db connector I have in mysql is worth porting
14:03	Tenkawa	I've looked at the libpq++ api and it doesnt look too bad to port
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16:27	@\|Q__Q\|	hurg
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17:00	adamg	sighup seen caker
17:00	sighup	caker was last seen on the network 13 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [1080337604]
17:01	@caker	adamg: hey
17:01	adamg	hi caker
17:01	adamg	has there been any problems with host12 today
17:01	@caker	not that I'm aware of
17:02		guinea-sleep \| should there have been any problems with host12 today?
17:02	adamg	i have been kicked from the console and my linode a few times
17:02		* guinea-sleep sticks a talking piece of bacon in his hair
17:02	adamg	and then couldnt ping host12 either
17:02		guinea-sleep \| "kicked" is rather unspecific
17:02	adamg	someone else on the forum couldnt ping it as well, but some good
17:02	adamg	disconnected then
17:02	@caker	adamg: and what did traces look like when this happened?
17:02	adamg	er umm forgot about them
17:02		guinea-sleep \| where did the routing die?
17:02		guinea-sleep \| :P
17:03	@caker	sighup: linode avail
17:03	sighup	Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 0] [Linode 96: 0] [Linode 128: 0] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0]
17:03		* caker gasps
17:04	adamg	also what is the ssh timeout on the console set at
17:04		guinea-sleep \| 0 n0!
17:04		guinea-sleep \| NEW BOX!
17:04	adamg	need more than one
17:04		guinea-sleep \| more than one still includes one
17:05	@caker	KeepAlive yes
17:05	@caker	ClientAliveInterval 10
17:05	mikegrb	caker: I broke my linode this morning, all is good but I have a feature request ;)
17:05	adamg	I never like seeing no stock
17:05	@caker	mikegrb: what happened?
17:05	mikegrb	caker: ability to cancel a pending job from the website
17:05	adamg	I have had timeouts seveal times
17:05	@caker	mikegrb: oh no :)
17:05		guinea-sleep \| haha
17:06	mikegrb	added a BindAddress directive to apache
17:06	mikegrb	did an /etc/init.d/apache reload
17:06	mikegrb	turns out this is one of the cases that you really want to restart apache
17:06		guinea-sleep \| reload?! why not restart :P
17:06	mikegrb	apache sucked down all the ram
17:06		guinea-sleep \| haha
17:06		guinea-sleep \| ouch
17:06	mikegrb	then all the swao
17:06	mikegrb	swap
17:06	@caker	heh
17:06	mikegrb	couldn't even login from console
17:06		guinea-sleep \| damn
17:07		guinea-sleep \| never reload, it's evil :P
17:07	mikegrb	gave it a reboot from lish
17:07	mikegrb	waited for at least a good minute
17:07	mikegrb	no change on console
17:07	mikegrb	went to website
17:07	mikegrb	before I checked the job queue I clicked reboot as it showed power'ed up
17:08	mikegrb	then I saw my lish jobs were in there ;)
17:08	mikegrb	would have been nice to be able to cancel the second reboot
17:08		guinea-sleep \| hehe
17:08	mikegrb	alternatively under the "Powered" status thingie maybe a "2 pending jobs" in smaller letters that links to the job queue
17:09	mikegrb	or even just "There are pending jobs"
17:09	@caker	There is that -- the first sentence of the very first page
17:09	mikegrb	hmm
17:09	mikegrb	well
17:09	mikegrb	sorry ;)
17:09	mikegrb	all is good
17:10	mikegrb	worse part is orion had around 450 users connected directly and a server
17:10	@caker	So why did Apache do that in the first place?
17:10	mikegrb	so it was a pretty noticeable netsplit
17:10	mikegrb	I dunno
17:10	@caker	heh
17:11	mikegrb	at the least it should have just ignored the directive if it wasn't going to unbind from * and rebind to the given ip
17:11	mikegrb	but after it came up all was good
17:11	mikegrb	around 30mb ram free without swap touched right after everything was started
17:12	mikegrb	total used free shared buffers cached
17:12	mikegrb	Mem: 89 74 15 0 4 18
17:12	mikegrb	-/+ buffers/cache: 51 38
17:12	mikegrb	Swap: 256 100 156
17:12	mikegrb	not too bad on memory
17:12	mikegrb	I still haven't tweaked my httpd.conf and mysql.cnf for low memory since installing debian so that should help make the numbers nicer
17:15	@caker	my ubd limiter kicks ass
17:16	wtfe	what's the consensus regarding kernel ram usage 2.4 vs. 2.6?
17:16	mikegrb	your company kicks ass bish
17:17	@caker	kernel ram usage? you mean the 4megs it reserves for itself?
17:18	wtfe	is that all that the running kernel reserves?
17:19	@caker	I'd have to check the source, but something like that, yes
17:19	wtfe	i'd imagine that it'd be bigger than 4MB, though.
17:19	wtfe	the IP stack itself does considerable buffering
17:19	wtfe	but, i dunno...
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17:31		* adamg thinks he is going to need a bigger linode soon
17:33	fo0bar	I love the local university surplus sale
17:34	@inkblot	ha ha
17:34		* fo0bar got a p2-350mhz/64MB/3.2GB/10Mb workstation for $2
17:34	@inkblot	umich has a surplus warehouse with regular hours
17:34	fo0bar	the only thing wrong turned out to be a bad cdrom drive
17:34	@inkblot	google university of michigan property disposition
17:34	fo0bar	UNR only does it last friday of the month
17:34	fo0bar	:(
17:35	@inkblot	as of sunday
17:35	@inkblot	i will live three miles from prop. disp.
17:35	fo0bar	nifty
17:35	@inkblot	:D
17:35	@inkblot	i may send memory DIMMs nick's way
17:35	fo0bar	I also got an assload of 24-port managed switches for $1 each
17:35	@inkblot	provided i can scavenge some
17:36	SupaDongzu	heh
17:36	mikegrb	fo0bar: 10/100 or only 10mbps?
17:36	SupaDongzu	http://zork.net/wiki/ZorkNetChristmasList <-- has upated reqs for the DIMMs
17:36	fo0bar	10/100
17:36	SupaDongzu	(for inkblot's benefit, only)
17:36	@inkblot	righto
17:36	fo0bar	allied telesyn
17:37	mikegrb	fo0bar: nice
17:37	@inkblot	hmmm
17:37	mikegrb	SupaDongzu: you mean if I sent you something you wouldn't want it?
17:37	@inkblot	that will probably be hard to find
17:38	SupaDongzu	mikegrb: If you sent me something, I'd send a piece of myself back
17:38	mikegrb	:O
17:38	SupaDongzu	inkblot: yeah, it only likes to read one side of a double-sided DIMM
17:38	SupaDongzu	that's what the feedback says for one of the boards
17:39	SupaDongzu	http://www.google.com/search?q=epia+800+sided
17:39	SupaDongzu	I'm not holding my breath
17:42	SupaDongzu	mostly hmmm
17:42	SupaDongzu	perhaps the second slot can take a double-sided...
17:42	@inkblot	so if you stuck a 1GB DIMM in there, it'd read 512?
17:42	SupaDongzu	maybe
17:42	@inkblot	may be worth testing
17:43	SupaDongzu	yeah
17:43	@inkblot	once my new income starts rolling in i've got a mine to rackmount goose
17:43	@inkblot	s/mine/mind/
17:44	SupaDongzu	it's possible that the people complaining had old revs
17:44	SupaDongzu	this board has been out for a while
17:44	SupaDongzu	and it got good ratings
17:44	@inkblot	no good info from the vendor?
17:44	@inkblot	seems like that should be documented
17:46		* mikegrb stefelt du!
17:46	mikegrb	er
17:46	mikegrb	falsches fenster
17:46	SupaDongzu	taiwan, eh
17:47	@inkblot	URL please
17:47	SupaDongzu	ah
17:47	@inkblot	http://www.tw/ ?
17:47	fo0bar	I can't remember... when an old hard drive is loud when doing seeks, does it mean "hey, I'm old and loud", or "danger will robinson! you're a freaking idiot if you use me!"
17:47	SupaDongzu	I figured it out
17:47	SupaDongzu	if you only use the first slot
17:47	SupaDongzu	you get one side
17:47	SupaDongzu	if you use two slots
17:47	SupaDongzu	you get both sides
17:47	SupaDongzu	duh
17:47	SupaDongzu	interleaving!
17:47	@inkblot	weird
17:47	SupaDongzu	no
17:47	SupaDongzu	that's an old even/odd game
17:47	SupaDongzu	you used to have to play with simms
17:48	@inkblot	ah ha
17:48	@inkblot	i get it
17:48	SupaDongzu	so dude with lone double-sided dimm....
17:48	@inkblot	side a of both is bank 0
17:48	SupaDongzu	he kvetches
17:48		* SupaDongzu nods
17:48	@inkblot	side b of both is bank1
17:48	SupaDongzu	precisely
17: