TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2004:03:12

---	Log	opened Fri Mar 12 00:00:00 2004
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00:31	schweeb	caker: messed with 2.6.4 yet?
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01:25	Traithe	Anyone happen to know if Chris will be back online tonight? Hate to bug him as I'm sure he's busy, but I've got a service I'm looking to move to hosting here, and I'd like to minimize our current downtime as much as possible. :)
01:26	schweeb	think he's sleeping
01:26	schweeb	it's 1:30am or so there
01:26	Traithe	Doh, just my luck, bad timing. Thanks for the heads up.
01:27	schweeb	try back in like 8 hours
01:27	Traithe	Will do. :) Cheers.
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02:26	hawk	hello there
02:27	hawk	I have set up a dns server on my linode
02:28	hawk	my sites are being resolved but only with the name of my domain. For eg. indobel.net
02:28	hawk	but it is not resolved if i use www.indobel.net
02:28	hawk	which indicates that there is some problem with my dns zone data
02:29	hawk	is there any1 who can guide me through?
02:29	hawk	did anyone had this problem before?
02:29	EFudd	www.dnsstuff.com
02:35	hawk	thank you EFudd
02:35	EFudd	:)
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03:42	hawk	yawns :Q
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04:56	fo0bar	dnsstuff.com is the rock
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07:52	michaelc	hrm anyone can help me with ips i added to my account? seems they're on a different subnet than the first and having trouble getting the box to reply on them
07:57	jotun	try the forums if no one is active here
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08:23	Tenkawa	morning all
08:23	chris	bleh
08:24	Tenkawa	nice response
08:24	Tenkawa	:(
08:24	chris	It's my usual
08:24	Tenkawa	do you ever wake up in a good mood?
08:24	Tenkawa	or spend the morning in one
08:25	chris	"bleh" is mood agnostic
08:25	chris	I'm in a fine mood presently
08:25	Tenkawa	hmm ok...
08:25	Tenkawa	cool
08:25	Tenkawa	fridays help right>?
08:25	chris	Friday's before finals don't usually =/
08:25	Tenkawa	"ack
08:25	Tenkawa	my friend hadnt mentioned anything about finals
08:25	Tenkawa	hmm
08:26	Tenkawa	more sg-1 tonight while I wait for my family to get here
08:26	Tenkawa	and.. more Fatal Frame
08:26	Tenkawa	woohoo
08:27	chris	Did you ever watch Stellvia?
08:27	Tenkawa	not all of it yet
08:27	Tenkawa	Janice likes it so we are trying to watch it together but she's been real busy
08:30	Tenkawa	I want to hurry up and finish Fatal Frame so I can get started on Crimson Butterfly
08:30	chris	I need this: http://www.splitreason.com/productdetail.php?id=42
08:32	Tenkawa	what the heck is that
08:32	Tenkawa	I got redirected to some source code
08:32	chris	odd
08:32	chris	It's a shirt
08:33	Tenkawa	oops
08:33	Tenkawa	left ouit a w
08:33	Tenkawa	taker out the first w in there and see what happens
08:34	chris	Doesn't resolve for me
08:34	Tenkawa	man anyone wearing that shirt would get some odd looks walking around
08:34	chris	HTTP commie!
08:34	Tenkawa	ww.splitreason.com/productdetail.php?id=42
08:34	Tenkawa	oops
08:35	Tenkawa	www.splitreason.com/productdetail.php?id=48
08:35	Tenkawa	I like that one
08:35	Tenkawa	or
08:35	Tenkawa	www.splitreason.com/productdetail.php?id=95
08:35	chris	I would never buy the wasabi one because a) I don't really like wasabi much and b) I don't like wearing anything japanese related
08:36	Tenkawa	heh .. I love wasabi and I really like japanese culture
08:36	Tenkawa	although I dont think this is very culturish of a shirt
08:37	Tenkawa	wasabi on sushi is damn good
08:37	chris	When I get paid I'll probably get the feedme, http, code ninja and possibly geek shirts
08:37	chris	I need shirts pretty bad
08:37	Tenkawa	speaking of that I should go eat some sushi tomorrow
08:37	Tenkawa	heh
08:38	Tenkawa	heh.. I wonder if my bro will eat sushi
08:38		* chris goes to look at thinkgeek and gameskins
08:38	chris	http://www.gameskins.com/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F6076327&rnd=6434609&rrc=N&affl=&cip=140.254.94.88&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=gssh017&cat=menstees
08:38	Tenkawa	gameskins?
08:38	chris	^ that's a must
08:39	Tenkawa	oh my god contra
08:39	chris	Not just contra, all oldschool konami games used that
08:39	Tenkawa	thats right.. gradius uised it too
08:39	chris	Anyone who gamed back then knows it
08:39	Tenkawa	god those were the days
08:40	chris	It's like a NES requirement
08:40	Tenkawa	yup
08:40	Tenkawa	rofl
08:40	Tenkawa	http://www.gameskins.com/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F6076327&rnd=4625876&rrc=N&affl=&cip=&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=gssh036&cat=menstees
08:41	chris	The konami one is the only one they have that I really like
08:41	Tenkawa	I swear I need that shirt when I go to gamestop
08:42	Tenkawa	heh notice the GTA VC one?
08:42	chris	yeah
08:42	chris	http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/sysadmin/6692/
08:42	chris	PEBKAC!
08:42	Tenkawa	well the hardware purchase is essentially approved
08:49	chris	http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/5e89/
08:49	chris	Killer coding ninja monkeys!
08:49	Tenkawa	heh
08:50	chris	So which hardware got approved?
08:51	Tenkawa	to consolidate/upgrade the nuts and bolts and sheet metal I call a computer
08:51	Tenkawa	er computers
08:58	Tenkawa	looking at a xp 3200 400fsb and half a gig memory to upgrade my desktop and move the shuttle to being the server
08:59	Tenkawa	I'll get my first look at a amd64 this weekend :)
09:00	chris	....
09:01	chris	Bastard!
09:01	chris	Oh well, I can continue learning the amd64 instruction set without a chip
09:01	Tenkawa	hrehhe
09:01	Tenkawa	heheh
09:02	Tenkawa	Is there a debian port yet for it?
09:02	chris	So my rent options are looking like 220/month (utilities included) or 150/month (no utilities)
09:02	chris	Since utilities are split three ways I'm thinking the latter may be better
09:03	Tenkawa	reading the amd64 faQ
09:03	chris	AMD64 has some really cool stuff built in
09:04	chris	Not just the buffer overflow protection (bounds checking), but also stuff like executable memory vs readable memory
09:04	chris	Overflow won't do shit if the injected code can't be executed by the cpu
09:05	Tenkawa	omg.. gentoo has a working installable amd64 port but debian doesnt??
09:05	Tenkawa	intersting
09:06	chris	"working"
09:06	chris	Anyways, you can still install on it. Just doesn't have a specific build yet
09:06	chris	Not surprising, debian likes to wait for things to work
09:06	Tenkawa	so its essentially just the 32 bit gentoo running on a 64 bit cpu?
09:07	chris	I'd assume so, perhaps building with some 64 bit optimizations
09:07	Tenkawa	nod
09:07	chris	I don't think GCC has a whole lot of AMD64 opts yet
09:07	Tenkawa	what I want to do is take my bro's hard drive out of his box when he gets here and dump one of mine on it and play around with the cpu
09:07	Tenkawa	see how it performs
09:09	Tenkawa	omg gateway bought emachines
09:09	Tenkawa	thats just wrong
09:14		* Tenkawa converts all his ext3 uml's to xfs
09:41	Tenkawa	done :)
09:41	chris	Without nuking the data
09:42	Tenkawa	yup
09:42	Tenkawa	I made copies
09:42	Tenkawa	uml rocks
09:42	Tenkawa	copy, mkfs the copy, mount both, cp from orig to new, edit fstab, unmount, fire up uml
09:42	Tenkawa	:)
09:43	Tenkawa	mind you I also can do a dd from dev/zero instead of a copy to create the file but its easier this way
09:48	Tenkawa	I wish there was a lighter version of screen
09:48		* Tenkawa wonders if screen can be compiled against uclibc
09:49	schweeb	most likely, Tenkawa
09:49	Tenkawa	hmm.. might be worth a try
09:50	Tenkawa	I eventually want to see if I can get the whole thing down to a busybox backend running the uml's
09:51	Tenkawa	the host will act purely as nothing but a management piece
09:52	schweeb	that's an interesting idea
09:52	schweeb	will UML compile against uclibc?
09:53	schweeb	I tried a uclibc system under a UML once, but it was a PITA
09:54	Tenkawa	schweeb: hmm...
09:54		* Tenkawa goes to his compiler box
09:55	schweeb	I'd be astonished to see UML compile against anything other than glibc
09:55	schweeb	hrm... does it get compiled statically though
09:55	Tenkawa	yes
09:56	schweeb	uml:/home/uml/run# ldd linux
09:56	schweeb	not a dynamic executable
09:56	schweeb	yep
09:56	Tenkawa	just noticed
09:56	schweeb	apparently so
09:56	Tenkawa	yup
09:57	schweeb	think I'll compile 2.6.4 today
10:13	@inkblot	shoop
10:14	schweeb	mornin inkblot
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10:56	eurozip	anyone know anything about java (j2me) and .rrc resource files?
11:00	@inkblot	ha ha
11:03	eurozip	take that as no
11:16	schweeb	eww java
11:17	Dave	java is nice
11:17	Dave	better than c# and mono
11:18	schweeb	o_O
11:18	schweeb	howso?
11:18	schweeb	java's slow as hell IME
11:18	SupaDongzu	hahahaha
11:18	schweeb	and the widgets are ugly
11:19	@inkblot	ha ha javur
11:19	@inkblot	ha ha d flat
11:19	@inkblot	ha ha mono
11:19	Dave	yeah, you need to use swt, not awt or swing
11:19	Dave	most people dont (yet)
11:19	SupaDongzu	welcome to mackertosh
11:19	SupaDongzu	(DONGS)
11:19	Dave	swt uses native api calls, so its quicker, and not ugly
11:20	@inkblot	# ha ha mackertosh
11:20	@inkblot	:0fb
11:20	@inkblot	\| sed -e 's/Macintosh/Mackertosh/'
11:20	@inkblot	That is all.
11:20	SupaDongzu	Lolz.
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---	Log	closed Fri Mar 12 11:50:25 2004
---	Log	opened Fri Mar 12 12:17:28 2004
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13:21	cobaltsixty	i like java. but not for desktop apps. :)
13:27	SupaDongzu	I hate teh javur
13:27	SupaDongzu	javur is a language for big, dumb, dogshit-eatin' hillbillies
13:27	@mikegrb	and you are too cute to be one of them
13:27	SupaDongzu	http://sakima.ivy.net/~carton/academia/java_languageoftomorrow.html <-- cobaltsixty
13:27	SupaDongzu	mikegrb: :D
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13:29	cobaltsixty	looks like a great rant :)
13:30	SupaDongzu	If Java itself is portable, then why isn't there a portable way to install and run a Java program without dealing with spaghetti .class-files, setting CLASSPATH, and referring to arcane modules contained within .jar files? Why do we have to use a Unix shell script to start a supposedly-portable Java program?
13:30	EFudd	iTrip == good for ipod owners
13:30	EFudd	that's a troll supa.
13:30	EFudd	nothing more. No substance, only misunderstanding.
13:31	schweeb	SupaDongzu: plus the fact that you have to go out of your way to download the closed source runtime
13:31	EFudd	besides, .class's outside of a .jar override a .jar :P
13:31	SupaDongzu	If Java was designed to be portable, why is it so much easier to port C programs to different Unixes than it is to port Java programs to Java Runtime Environments on different Unixes?
13:31	EFudd	(and .war, .ear, etc.)
13:31	SupaDongzu	Java's decoy claims of portability have in effect killed the Freenet, and dragged the Freenet architecture down to the same level of broken fantastic promises that Java makes. ``The mythical Freenet about which we have heard so much.''
13:31	EFudd	you don't need to port "java programs to different runtimes"
13:32	wtfe	i think the emacs comparison is a little off, though
13:32	dmp	my main beef with java is the licence of sun's class libs
13:32	wtfe	emacs doesn't have floating point support, for example...
13:32	EFudd	heh
13:32	EFudd	fiance is calling me from other room
13:32		* EFudd ignores
13:32	SupaDongzu	emacs also lacks lexical scopes
13:33	EFudd	(lesson to be learned; do not expect me to hear through walls)
13:33	terry	Can someone answer a quick one?
13:33	Tenkawa	terry: oinly if you ask
13:33	terry	:-D
13:33	EFudd	that article is the equivilant of saying "why do we need to install windows/unix/compiler/etc to run this C code and then modify the inline asm on each different architecture??"
13:34	SupaDongzu	terry: You didn't follow protocol. YOu have to ask permission to ask if you can ask a question. then log off before anyone can answer
13:34	terry	Does the underlying host reset the linode's /etc/motd?
13:34	cobaltsixty	nice article
13:34	EFudd	no, but your init scripts do
13:34	EFudd	:)
13:34	terry	And I'll take my answer off the air
13:34	cobaltsixty	but... sometimes java saves my ass
13:34	SupaDongzu	haha
13:35	Tenkawa	SupaDongzu: no no.. you aslmost got it right... you ask if you can ask the questiomn then logoff before even asking it
13:35	SupaDongzu	terry: TURN YOUR RADIO DOWN. IT MAKES TEH INTERFERENCE
13:35	terry	Oh and Chris...love the show.
13:35	EFudd	ok. that was freaky
13:35	EFudd	fiance turned down radio the same second you said that supa
13:35	SupaDongzu	long time caller, first time listener.
13:36	Tenkawa	terry: to answer your q no it shouldnt unless the linode folks are doing something special
13:36	Tenkawa	but I'm not a linode person so dont take my answer as an official one
13:36	cobaltsixty	i just did a server for a cable-based broadband service here in brazil. wrote in gcj, compiled on windows, then tried on FreeBSD. worked. some flaws, but then i fixed.
13:36	@mikegrb	EFudd: perhaps she is Tenkawa
13:36	@mikegrb	er terry
13:36	terry	That's cool. I ask because I changed it for my own purposes, rebooted last night, and POOF!
13:36	EFudd	if you would like an example of a java desktop application that is surprisingly agile(responsive, functional, etc) check out IDEA from intellij.net.. (although eh, it _is_ a java ide)
13:37	EFudd	mike, doubting it.unless she can irc while packing up to move
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13:37	cobaltsixty	yeah, intellij is really smart. but i never used it.
13:37	SupaDongzu	terry: yeah, that's per-distro
13:37	Tenkawa	yeah there are _some_ porting work to be done in Java but nothing as drastic as C or C++
13:37	EFudd	the only time idea is slow for me is when XP comesout of hibernation.. and it's gotta swap back into memory
13:37	SupaDongzu	in debian, see the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
13:37	Tenkawa	biggest prob I've ran into is file io
13:37	EFudd	grep -ic motd /etc/init.d/*
13:38	EFudd	:)
13:38	EFudd	or -il
13:38	Tenkawa	more specificly file io handling
13:38	EFudd	<- java newb
13:38	terry	Got it. That's actually what I needed. Thanks guys!
13:38	Tenkawa	pathnames, mixed case, filename limits
13:38	SupaDongzu	rockin
13:38	EFudd	i would walk 500 miles and i wouldd walk 500 miles
13:38	SupaDongzu	terry: watch out for base-files upgrades tho
13:38	EFudd	to be the man to walk 1000 miles to fall down at your door
13:39	terry	I've hacked Java since 1.0alpha...but I'll leave you guys to it for now...I have some Python/Zope to hack for now.
13:39	EFudd	ack
13:39	EFudd	python
13:39		* EFudd runs
13:39	Tenkawa	SupaDongzu: shouldnt that file trigger the maintainer ask flag in apt-get?
13:39	EFudd	(well, it could be tcl)...
13:39	SupaDongzu	well
13:39	SupaDongzu	it does
13:39	SupaDongzu	but that's hairy
13:39	Tenkawa	true
13:39	SupaDongzu	terry: if you're running a recent debian, there's an EDITMOTD flag in /etc/default/rcS
13:39	terry	To each his own...Now you're sorry you helped!
13:40	Tenkawa	heeehee
13:41		* Tenkawa grumbles at pine
13:41	terry	Supa, you rule.
13:41	terry	That gets a resounding NO!
13:41	EFudd	gah
13:41	terry	And now, just to stir things up...You could always add Jython to the mix!
13:41	EFudd	becky is freaking out bout moving 6 wine bottles
13:42	EFudd	"what do we put them in???"
13:42	EFudd	"uh, we carry them."
13:42	terry	EFudd...DRINK them.
13:42	SupaDongzu	Tenkawa: http://zork.net/pub/pine
13:42	EFudd	terry, the wine isn't of high enough quality for me to care :P
13:42	Tenkawa	hey thats slick
13:43	SupaDongzu	any program that accepts a config file on the command line is thus also a scripting language
13:43	EFudd	depends on how said config file is parsed.
13:43	SupaDongzu	well
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13:43	SupaDongzu	it doesn't have to be particularly GOOD
13:43	EFudd	well
13:44	EFudd	the example i'm assuming is : at worst case the config could be output to stdout from a parser and put into stdin for said app
13:44	terry	EFudd, perhaps that means you'll take the suggestion :-D
13:44	SupaDongzu	inkblot showed me how to write scripts in screen, which is pretty crazy
13:44	EFudd	do share.
13:44		* SupaDongzu points to the phrase "on the command line" in his above assertion
13:44	EFudd	define "command line"
13:44	EFudd	that means little to me
13:44	SupaDongzu	as an argument
13:44	EFudd	argv does tho
13:45	SupaDongzu	fine
13:45		* SupaDongzu tosses EFudd some LFPs
13:45	EFudd	excuse me, i'm a tad pedantic
13:45	EFudd	so uh..
13:45	EFudd	becky had "the cat" bathed
13:46	EFudd	for future movement into my house
13:46	EFudd	since she's moving today, the cat is at her mom's
13:46	EFudd	becky went to her mom's fa few minutes ago to pickup the cat...
13:46	EFudd	the cat was black.
13:46	EFudd	It's an orange cat.
13:46	@mikegrb	heh
13:46	EFudd	The cat decided to climb up in the fucking fireplace
13:46	@mikegrb	pwahahahahahah
13:46		* EFudd notes said house has white carpet
13:46	@mikegrb	not anymore
13:47	EFudd	i don't like said cat.
13:48	EFudd	What is the one thing humans do that cauese them to lose complete control over themselves? all humans?
13:48	EFudd	answer) sneeze
13:48	EFudd	causes uncontrollable eye closure, stoppage of heart beat, stoppage of thought process.
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13:48	BB	what about being dead?
13:48	EFudd	that cat makes me sneeze 8+ times in a row sometimes. h8 h8 h8
13:48	EFudd	bb, at that point you == corpse
13:48	EFudd	not 'hyoomon' :P
13:49	BB	heh
13:52	cobaltsixty	jython rules
13:53	wtfe	haskell rules
13:53	dmp	sneezing doesn't make me piss myself - explain that, please
13:53	@mikegrb	dmp: stfu bish
13:53	dmp	mikegrb: shush, you, or I'll ghost you
13:53	@mikegrb	:<
13:53	dmp	;)
13:55	Tenkawa	c
13:55	EFudd	Java defines nothing past .class files. The way class files find each other is unportable---it's left up to each JRE, and there are usually several options: .class file in the current directory, .class file in the CLASSPATH, .class file fetched from a base URL, .jar file, .zip file, .cab file
13:55	EFudd	that is incorrect.
13:55	EFudd	based on my (limited) knowledge of java
13:56		* caker orders host20
13:56	EFudd	grats
13:56		* mikegrb orders naps all around
13:56	EFudd	linode avail
13:56		* EFudd looks for bot
13:57	@mikegrb	sighup: linode avail
13:57		* EFudd coulda swore that functionality existed :P
13:57	sighup	Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 38] [Linode 96: 21] [Linode 128: 0] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0]
13:57	EFudd	ah there.
13:57	@mikegrb	l(
13:57	@mikegrb	er ;)
13:57	EFudd	you selling a lot more larer nodes lately caker?
13:57	EFudd	larger.
13:57	@caker	well, there's not many to go around so they go fast
13:57	EFudd	-nods-
13:57	@caker	But at least they don't sit forever
13:58	EFudd	i guess the question should have ben formulated specific to number of larger nodes vs smaller... or soemthing
13:58		* caker is concerned about power consumption at HE
13:58		* EFudd suggests more !he nodes
13:58	@caker	yeah ..
13:58		* mikegrb hands caker an extension cord
13:58		* caker has 48 port switch at TP with only 8 servers on it
13:58	EFudd	i'm kinda surprised about their lacking
13:58	EFudd	altho i guess i shouldn't be
13:59	EFudd	if i saved irk logs for the last 1yr, i probalby have 400+ instance of "fuck he" in them
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13:59	@caker	just from #linode?
13:59	EFudd	(and probably 5pct of those from someone who has enable on their routers)
13:59	EFudd	no
13:59	EFudd	from network geeks.
13:59	@caker	intersecting
13:59	EFudd	fuck, in that, could be defined as "damn, stupid" etc.
14:00	EFudd	just general discourse
14:00	@caker	right
14:00	EFudd	example, he merged/bought lightning.net
14:00	@caker	non-US clients tend to favor HE wrt latency
14:00	@caker	yeah, in NYC, right?
14:00	EFudd	old roommate of mine was the supporter of lightning's dial stuff
14:00	EFudd	yah
14:00	EFudd	another friend, is like partner/owner of lightning
14:00	@caker	I remember commercials from them
14:00	@caker	when I worked in NYC
14:01	EFudd	(and so fucking flaming gay... came to dinner once in a leather suit.)
14:01	@caker	and .. what's the other big one .. Erols?
14:01	EFudd	gah
14:01	EFudd	erols. :)
14:01	EFudd	point is i know at least 4 people with enable on he's network
14:01	@caker	heh
14:01	BB	allways tell your momy where your going?
14:01	EFudd	can name 2 folk with enable on the mae's
14:02	EFudd	my old roommate used to get stoned while working on infrastructure @ cisco
14:02	EFudd	then leave routers in enable
14:02		* EFudd snickered much :)
14:02	cobaltsixty	enable rules.
14:02	@caker	my cisco is configed with a sometimes-annoying very low timeout value :)
14:02	EFudd	hmmm.
14:02	EFudd	(nods)
14:02	cobaltsixty	thinkgeek used to have some nice t-shirt on IOS's enable...
14:02	EFudd	friend of mine (who claims to ahve made $2.48/second) built exodus's network....
14:03	@caker	I want the one that says "I read your email" .. but people might take me seriously :)
14:03	EFudd	which means c&w/mci's
14:03		* Tenkawa has gotten to the paranoid point to restrict some of his stuff down to mac addresses
14:03	EFudd	$2.48/second is 214k/day or 78million/year :/
14:03	EFudd	it makes me sad.
14:03	@caker	mb he meant during work hrs :)
14:03	EFudd	fucker would drive his ferrari top down, in the rain
14:03	EFudd	:)
14:03	@caker	haha
14:04	EFudd	caker, it's no sekret he had just under 100m before the pop
14:04	EFudd	at which point he got lucky and diversified
14:04	EFudd	he holds a ton in cash cause he's a paranoid acid-head
14:04	cobaltsixty	Tenkawa, which do you use to restrict macs, "layer-2-boy"?
14:04	EFudd	ebtables!
14:05	cobaltsixty	oh, not linux again... :)
14:05	schweeb	caker: any 2.6.4 experimentation yet?
14:05	cobaltsixty	am i wrong to have been jumped on FreeBSD bandwagon?
14:06	Tenkawa	iptables
14:06	@caker	schweeb: no .. that's partly why I'm ordering another box -- test 2.6.4 before I start doing reboots (as soon as next week)
14:06	Tenkawa	my whole router is a iptables project
14:06	@caker	schweeb: 2.6.4-um got a nice review on uml-list
14:06	Tenkawa	mind you its got a 1 gig cpu and 256 meg ram (Yes I know major overkill)
14:07	schweeb	caker: yea, but I'm not using it for -um ;)
14:07	Tenkawa	afk.. meeting
14:07	schweeb	I might do some testing with my uml instance with 2.6.4-um though
14:07	@caker	schweeb: are you on 2.6.3?
14:08	schweeb	I'm on 2.6.1-skas for a host right now... and 2.4.24 or 2.4.25 for my guests
14:08	schweeb	still never switched to 2.6.3 ;)
14:08	schweeb	lazy
14:08		* schweeb waits for people to hax0r his server
14:10		* caker completes the orders
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14:52		* caker puts another dime in the jukebox, baby
14:56		* Dave loves rock and roll
15:11	Tenkawa	really?
15:11	Tenkawa	oops
15:11	Tenkawa	sorry
15:11	Tenkawa	wrong window
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16:57	@caker	(none):~# uname -a
16:57	@caker	Linux (none) 2.6.4-linode1-1um #1 Fri Mar 12 16:35:38 EST 2004 i686 unknown
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16:57	guinea-pig	ooh ahh
16:57		* guinea-pig bows before the UML god
17:02	NeXTer	Cool, any idea when we'll see that on the nodes?
17:02	@caker	Well .. it works for Debian, thus far .. there's problems with certain host kernel / uml-glibc version combos
17:02	guinea-pig	yay debian!
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17:03	@caker	for example -- Red Hat filesystem with nptl enabled glibc doesn't work under 2.6um and 2.4 host
17:03	@caker	but does work with 2.6 as the host
17:03	NeXTer	As long as it's fine with Debian, it's fine with me :P
17:03	guinea-pig	caker: i wouldn't think otherwise
17:04	guinea-pig	so we just have to wait until the hosts are all 2.6
17:04	@caker	There's another change I need to make to the host.lib (my stuff) anyway, so not quite sure I'm ready to set this free yet
17:05	guinea-pig	if you love it, set it free
17:05	guinea-pig	if it crashes, it wasn't meant to be
17:05		* caker loves bacon
17:05	guinea-pig	crispy!
17:06	@caker	Ok .. I think some reboots are coming next week
17:06	guinea-pig	oh?
17:06		* caker starts to get reboot fever
17:06	@mikegrb	omg
17:07	NeXTer	Wooo...
17:07	@mikegrb	heidi is making spaghetti
17:07	@mikegrb	with bacon
17:07	@mikegrb	and butter on the noodles
17:07	guinea-pig	i don't wanna reboot! i'll have to restart SCREEN again :P
17:07	@mikegrb	yum
17:07	@mikegrb	she is the bacon queen
17:07	@caker	hah
17:07	guinea-pig	what's the good in using screen if you go and reboot :P
17:08	@mikegrb	none
17:08	@mikegrb	:p
17:08	@caker	http://www.theshore.net/~caker/uml/host_uptimes.txt
17:08	guinea-pig	should mrtg that :P
17:09	@caker	I do
17:09	@mikegrb	http://thegrebs.com/tps.gz
17:09	@mikegrb	tps reports
17:09		* mikegrb hugs host18
17:09	@caker	wha, no updike stabs?
17:09	@mikegrb	where is the updike line for each host?
17:09	@caker	mikegrb: that
17:10	@caker	's better
17:10	@mikegrb	will this 2.6 kernel have the updike patch?
17:10	@mikegrb	it is very stable ;)
17:10	@caker	mikegrb: NO!
17:10	@mikegrb	run it at home myself
17:10	@mikegrb	makes the kernel run like a dream
17:10	@caker	http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=user-mode-linux-devel&m=107907660232401&w=2
17:11	@caker	"Latency on the game server dropped from 90-110ms down to 45-75 ms with nothing more than a kernel upgrade to 2.6. This one's highly recommended." -- Bill Stearns
17:11	@caker	it does seem faster ... not network wise, so much, but in general
17:12	guinea-pig	of course. newer is always faster, donchaknow!
17:12	guinea-pig	that's why i always run windows xp on my 386SX
17:12	@mikegrb	:)
17:27	sednet	Can someone tell me if the load averages returned by uptime on my linode are the same as the load averages of the host?
17:28	@caker	sednet: they are not
17:29	sednet	That explains why they never go above 0.02 :-)
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17:31	untitled9	i'm looking to switch web hosts, can someone answer some questions?
17:31	@caker	untitled9: sure
17:32	untitled9	i'm fairly experienced with linux and love webmin... will i be able to get basic web hosting and e-mail (imap & pop) setup easily?
17:32	@caker	It sounds like you'll be able to
17:32	@caker	(with your experience)
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17:32	untitled9	what about uptime, i'm looking to switch from imhosted whose uptime & support is miserable
17:33	@caker	http://www.theshore.net/~caker/uml/host_uptimes.txt -- taken today
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17:35	untitled9	hosting multiple domains was simple at imhosted, so thats one thing i've never setup myself... i know apache alright, is it that hard to setup & maintain?
17:35	untitled9	(including e-mail for multiple domain names)
17:35	@caker	For apache, it's just a config directive and a dns pointing to your IP
17:35	@caker	for email, there's a few methods -- I'd guess webmin supports a few of them
17:36	untitled9	can i do the dns stuff through webmin?
17:36	@caker	if you run your own dns servers, sure
17:37	@caker	Also, there's zoneedit.com which offers DNS for five zones free. Most registrars also provide "managed dns", too
17:38	sednet	everydns.net does 20 zones and 200 records free
17:39	@caker	wow
17:39	untitled9	dns is one thing i don't understand that well... i'm trying to learn though... if i have 5 domain names that i have sites & e-mail for, can i easily park & host them on my linode account?
17:39	@caker	Yes... "easy" depending on who you talk to
17:40		* caker thinks it's easy
17:40	untitled9	but of course, i guess i'm looking to switch everything over the weekend when the sites aren't as busy
17:41	@caker	well, google for some tutorials or give it a shot with a spare domain, and move the rest over when you have a working setup
17:42	untitled9	i know it can take a few days for dns info to propagate... how do i minimize the downtime?
17:43	@caker	by having both old and new still working, and then flip DNS and wait a day or so
17:43	@caker	There are other methods, like moving your MX records before the A records
17:44	@caker	that way, mail's already moved before the actual site is
17:44	untitled9	wow.. great.. so i should move the MX records, but keep the A records running on both for a few days?
17:44	@caker	(maybe?)
17:44	@caker	I dunno, that might be a bogus suggestion
17:44	untitled9	lol... hey no problem... i can't complain about getting free live tech support
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17:45	untitled9	it makes sense to me though... since the sites setup in 2 places it doesn't matter where web traffic is routed to...
17:45	guinea-pig	i always just drop the expire time in my zones to something small... like 4 hours, a few days bfeore i plan on moving anything
17:45	@caker	^ yeah
17:45	guinea-pig	so when i do, it doesn't take long for stuff to catch up
17:45	untitled9	whoa.. "expire time in my zones"... could you explain?
17:46	untitled9	also, i don't have direct control of the dns records on imhosted
17:46	guinea-pig	except for a few stupid ISPs that cache DNS info longer than the zone says to
17:46	guinea-pig	oh hmm
17:46	untitled9	and their support sucks
17:46	guinea-pig	well, if you have a linode, you could always host your own DNS :P
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17:47	untitled9	yeah thats what i'm planning on doing, but i want to minimize downtime when i switch
17:47	guinea-pig	oh
17:47	untitled9	i don't mind paying for both for a month, but i can't afford 2 days of downtime waiting for dns records to switch
17:47	untitled9	(if it matters the domain names were purchased through godaddy)
17:49	@caker	well, .. GoDaddy will do managed DNS for you
17:50	untitled9	ok... (thanks a lot btw)... so can i setup all the fun MX & A records at GoDaddy and not worry about doing it at Linode or Imhosted?
17:50	@caker	Yeah ..
17:50	@caker	You could do it now first, and mimic what you've got setup with imhosted...
17:50	@caker	That way, when you're ready to make the move, you've got control ...
17:52	untitled9	wow... thanks... i'm going to go check out godaddy and see if i can do that right now
17:57	untitled9	btw.. thanks a lot, i think i'm switching to linode this weekend and its all your fault ;P
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18:05	untitled9	is 96mb of ram enough for apache (5 domains, low traffic), mysql (couple dbs, low usage), and e-mail (about 20 pop & imap, medium usage)?
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18:10	@mikegrb	yes
18:10	untitled9	thanks
18:10	untitled9	what about 64 (i'm a cheap bastard)
18:10	@mikegrb	should be okay there too
18:10	@mikegrb	you will want to play with the mysql and apache configs some
18:11	@mikegrb	I'm sure searching for "howto low memory apache" and the like might turn up some pointers
18:17	NeXTer	Why don't you investigate PostgreSQL while you're at it, hmm?
18:19		* mikegrb invistigates NeXTer
18:20	NeXTer	Ow! Quit poking me!
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18:22	untitled9	i love PostegreSQL, but nothings as quick & easy like mysql
18:23	untitled9	thanks a lot linodes lurkers... ciao
18:23	NeXTer	Err... What?
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18:26	NeXTer	My might be a tad faster, but I don't think the difference is enough to make any significalt difference with a properly setup database, is it?
18:28	schweeb	mysql isn't faster
18:30	NeXTer	The problem with my is that everyone insists on using it because everyone else is...
18:32	@mikegrb	heh yes
18:32	NeXTer	Would seem that Postgres has started to pick up some momentum though. I've seen several hosts lately that support both
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18:39	schweeb	that's the same excuse windows users had
18:39	schweeb	except it's even more unfounded when applied to DB's
18:39	@mikegrb	abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
18:40	NeXTer	Oh, lookie, someone's learned the alphabet :P
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18:43	@mikegrb	I have to practice
18:58	EFudd	So, 2 Dollars, 1 Half Dollar, 1402 Quarters, 1603 Dimes, 920 Nickels and 3109 penny's later - 8.9% charge, I have $540 cash ; Thank you coin star!
18:58	@caker	8.9%?!
18:58	@caker	that's great that it gives you the break-downs per coin
18:58	guinea-pig	man
18:59	@caker	too bad it doesn't give you weight
18:59	guinea-pig	the last time i took rolled coin to my bank, they told me to just bring them in loose, and they'd count 'em for me for free :P
18:59		* EFudd nods weight woulda been neat
18:59	EFudd	it was heavy for sure
18:59	@mikegrb	indeed
18:59	EFudd	guinea, interesting. my bank wouldn't
18:59	@mikegrb	would be damn spiffy
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19:00	guinea-pig	EFudd: i imagine your bank is a national chain of some sort :P
19:00	guinea-pig	mine is a local thing with 3 branches. i know the owner.
19:01	EFudd	heh
19:01	EFudd	no
19:01	EFudd	credit union
19:01	guinea-pig	what i don't get is this fad for "interest free checking"
19:01	guinea-pig	i mean... interest is a GOOD thing!
19:01		* mikegrb gets money on his checking agout
19:01	@mikegrb	er account
19:02	@mikegrb	not interest, dividends, it's a credit union
19:02	guinea-pig	i would if i ever had enough money in it :P
19:03	@mikegrb	heh
19:03	@mikegrb	well I have 0 in checking right now
19:03	@mikegrb	get payed sunday night
19:03	@mikegrb	and state and federal tax refunds next week
19:03	@mikegrb	not soon enough
19:03	@mikegrb	I so wanted pizza tonight
19:03	guinea-pig	i'm gonna have to pay ~$990 on my federal :<
19:04	guinea-pig	but i'm getting back ~$100 from the state
19:04	guinea-pig	stupid self-employment crap
19:04	@mikegrb	I got back 1010 federal
19:04	@mikegrb	550 on one state
19:04	@mikegrb	and owe 320 on another stage
19:04	@mikegrb	state
19:04	EFudd	i have to pay 3500 fed
19:04	EFudd	and 1200 state
19:04	guinea-pig	i forgot to account for social security... i was only expecting to owe ~$300
19:04	@mikegrb	my pay was screwed up hince the big fed refund
19:04		* EFudd sighs
19:06	EFudd	couple it with an 'accident' that caused my truck payment to be extracted twice yesterday
19:06	EFudd	left me pretty fundless
19:06	EFudd	hence the coins :)
19:18	@mikegrb	heh
19:18		* caker orders pizza
19:27		* EFudd just did
19:28	EFudd	"What is your phone number?" they ask. I respond "910-xxx" she goes "I'm going to use 919-xxx". I said "that's great, but if you need to call me it'd be incorrect."
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22:35	@caker	pihc: hello
22:41	Dave	caker: support uk debit cards yet?
22:41	@caker	Dave: get a real Visa card yet?
22:41	Dave	no :(
22:42	@caker	damn
22:44	pihc	Hello Chris
22:46	pihc	anybody have a preference for an ftp server? ProFtpd has me stumped
22:46		* caker is a proftpd user
22:47		* sjansen is an sftp user
22:47	pihc	Pro just sits there after I