| --- | Log | opened Thu Feb 19 00:00:06 2004 |
| --- | Day | changed Thu Feb 19 2004 |
| 00:00 | ElectricElf | epic: qpoppper is a popular one, as is courier-pop{,-ssl} |
| 00:00 | Artifex | mikegrb: well, i'll google it later, and see what turns up |
| 00:00 | epic | thanks |
| 00:00 | @mikegrb | Artifex: okie |
| 00:00 | @tjfontaine | coworker alert |
| 00:00 | Artifex | mikegrb: i may have one hell of an impressive myth setup soon, if i get my way, muhhahaha |
| 00:00 | ElectricElf | tjfontaine: Duck! |
| 00:00 | Artifex | tjfontaine: hi |
| 00:00 | @mikegrb | Artifex: :) |
| 00:00 | Artifex | tjfontaine: do YOU know? |
| 00:00 | @tjfontaine | I have to echo mike's comments initially, but which breakout box? |
| 00:01 | | * adamg wants to be able to walk around with a blue tooth device in pocket and get the tv channels and music to follow around the house |
| 00:01 | @inkblot | mikegrb, rocko spocko |
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| 00:01 | @inkblot | any idea yet what the deal is with the entropy thing? |
| 00:01 | @mikegrb | inkblot: not really |
| 00:01 | schweeb | adamg: does bluetooth have enough range for that? didn't think so |
| 00:01 | @mikegrb | some is getting made |
| 00:01 | @mikegrb | but then it gets used right away |
| 00:01 | @inkblot | mikegrb, more cronjobs |
| 00:01 | adamg | only needs enough range per room |
| 00:02 | ElectricElf | schweeb: He probably means more like a dotfile-on-a-keychain |
| 00:02 | adamg | recieve per room, activates the devices in that room |
| 00:02 | Artifex | tjfontaine: give me a sec |
| 00:02 | @tjfontaine | tay |
| 00:02 | ElectricElf | schweeb: (With receivers in each room) |
| 00:02 | schweeb | oic |
| 00:02 | @mikegrb | schweeb: there are places that sell 300m bluetooth stuff though too |
| 00:02 | adamg | 300m far to big 15 to 20 is fine, coupled with a movement detector |
| 00:02 | epic | ok got it running |
| 00:02 | @mikegrb | inkblot: shiznit gets used by the next second |
| 00:02 | adamg | and hooked into the lights as well |
| 00:03 | schweeb | heh |
| 00:03 | schweeb | my friend's got all that shit in his house |
| 00:03 | @mikegrb | adamg: you'll be just like billgates |
| 00:03 | ElectricElf | Yeah, I'd go with a receiver in each room - easier to figure out where the person actually is. |
| 00:03 | @inkblot | [inkblot@dorothy:~]$ sudo tail -1000 /var/log/syslog | grep -c CRON |
| 00:03 | @inkblot | 319 |
| 00:03 | adamg | god no |
| 00:03 | @inkblot | that's 31.9% |
| 00:03 | adamg | mine wont crash every 5 minutes |
| 00:03 | ElectricElf | (You're doing to have to have three anyways, just to get reliable triangulation) |
| 00:03 | schweeb | closed circuit cameras, motion detectors, closet lights are switched on by the opening of the door |
| 00:03 | @mikegrb | adamg: you might look into the stuff designed for detecting location of a person in a room |
| 00:03 | @inkblot | say yes to entropy! |
| 00:04 | @mikegrb | adamg: er room of the house rather |
| 00:04 | Artifex | tjfontaine: ok, sorry, back |
| 00:04 | @tjfontaine | k |
| 00:04 | adamg | long term plan |
| 00:04 | Artifex | tjfontaine: define breakout box? |
| 00:04 | ElectricElf | Hm. There appears to be a family of squirrels living in my parents' chimney. |
| 00:04 | @mikegrb | Artifex: have a link to the device? |
| 00:04 | Artifex | the dvr? |
| 00:04 | | * mikegrb nods |
| 00:04 | Artifex | could probbaly find one |
| 00:04 | Artifex | lemme go grab the model number |
| 00:05 | @tjfontaine | Artifex: the device that presumably accepts video in and then connects via 1394 |
| 00:05 | adamg | afk |
| 00:05 | @tjfontaine | dvr |
| 00:05 | @tjfontaine | hmmm |
| 00:05 | @mikegrb | tjfontaine: yeah that makes me curious |
| 00:05 | Artifex | tjfontaine: does a hell of a lot more then that, too |
| 00:05 | Artifex | lol |
| 00:05 | @tjfontaine | are there doze drivers? |
| 00:05 | Artifex | Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 |
| 00:05 | @tjfontaine | wtf is that |
| 00:05 | | * Artifex shrugs |
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| 00:06 | @mikegrb | cable company thing? |
| 00:06 | Artifex | set top dvr, yes |
| 00:06 | @mikegrb | yeah |
| 00:06 | @tjfontaine | hmm |
| 00:07 | @mikegrb | looks doubtful |
| 00:08 | @mikegrb | might try plugging it in and see if dmesg says something |
| 00:08 | Artifex | k |
| 00:08 | Artifex | well |
| 00:08 | @mikegrb | thing runs linux though :) |
| 00:08 | @tjfontaine | aye |
| 00:08 | | * Artifex nods |
| 00:08 | Artifex | well, cant screw w/ it now |
| 00:08 | Artifex | but |
| 00:08 | Artifex | it's my project for the weekend |
| 00:08 | Artifex | :-) |
| 00:08 | Artifex | anyways |
| 00:08 | @mikegrb | :) |
| 00:08 | Artifex | have to run |
| 00:08 | Artifex | need to finish some code |
| 00:08 | Artifex | ttyl |
| 00:08 | @mikegrb | cya |
| 00:08 | @mikegrb | and send me chipage ;) |
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| 00:17 | epic | crap |
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| 00:17 | schweeb | damn, didn't get to yell |
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| 00:17 | epic | hi epic_ |
| 00:17 | epic_ | hi epic |
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| 00:19 | @inkblot | dongs |
| 00:21 | @mikegrb | epic: why do you keep comming and going? |
| 00:21 | epic | my orange soda keeps spilling |
| 00:21 | epic | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 00:21 | epic | :( |
| 00:22 | schweeb | apt-get install build-tools |
| 00:22 | schweeb | or is it buildtools |
| 00:22 | @mikegrb | apt-cache search and aot-get install are your friend |
| 00:22 | epic | wow you guys are great lol |
| 00:22 | chris | build-essential |
| 00:22 | @mikegrb | build-essential I thought |
| 00:22 | schweeb | fine then |
| 00:22 | epic | yeah i couldnt build anything, i was like, fsck pine and ssl |
| 00:22 | schweeb | meh |
| 00:22 | @mikegrb | what were you trying to build? |
| 00:22 | schweeb | use mutt |
| 00:23 | @mikegrb | that is what apt-get is for |
| 00:23 | schweeb | and ssl is already in deb |
| 00:23 | chris | pine is also in deb |
| 00:23 | epic | pine isnt in apt-get |
| 00:23 | schweeb | you have to compile pine |
| 00:23 | epic | apt-get install pine |
| 00:23 | chris | incorrect |
| 00:23 | epic | yeah |
| 00:23 | chris | pine is in non-free |
| 00:23 | schweeb | it's in an apt source, but you have to compile it yourself I thought |
| 00:23 | epic | oh |
| 00:23 | epic | w/e i got the src tarball |
| 00:24 | @mikegrb | or use vim |
| 00:24 | @mikegrb | or if you must nano |
| 00:24 | schweeb | something about restrictions on binary distribution |
| 00:24 | epic | yeah i got vim |
| 00:24 | epic | atleast i figured out how to use cgi-bin to make an uptime script :p |
| 00:24 | | * schweeb apt-get installs pine... |
| 00:24 | schweeb | NOTHING |
| 00:25 | epic | no |
| 00:25 | epic | see |
| 00:25 | | * schweeb does apt-get source pine |
| 00:25 | schweeb | there we go. |
| 00:25 | epic | :o |
| 00:25 | schweeb | see, no binaries available |
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| 00:25 | | * chris shrugs |
| 00:25 | chris | my defense is "who the fsck wants to use pine?" |
| 00:26 | epic | why is mutt better? |
| 00:26 | epic | alot of ppl use pine |
| 00:26 | epic | people* |
| 00:26 | schweeb | mutt's configurable to all hell |
| 00:26 | schweeb | very very very flexible |
| 00:26 | schweeb | but I use a GUI mail client |
| 00:26 | epic | i hate gui |
| 00:26 | schweeb | so I use neither of those |
| 00:27 | schweeb | thunderbird is great |
| 00:27 | epic | ascii action games > * = slow > nothing |
| 00:27 | schweeb | needs a few improvements, but overall good |
| 00:27 | epic | irssi is flexible... |
| 00:27 | schweeb | yes, and I use irssi |
| 00:28 | epic | have you seen blowfish.pl? |
| 00:28 | ElectricElf | I'm extraordinarily partial to Sylpheed (Claws). |
| 00:29 | | * ElectricElf talking on a tablet computer. |
| 00:29 | epic | awesome |
| 00:29 | epic | how do you type? |
| 00:29 | ElectricElf | .....t'.ver yes low going. |
| 00:29 | ElectricElf | and not very accurate |
| 00:30 | epic | :-\ |
| 00:30 | epic | any voice commands? |
| 00:30 | schweeb | ElectricElf: how's them flying pigs? bet they make good bacon |
| 00:30 | ElectricElf | Supposedly. It's not my machine,.thou s h. |
| 00:30 | @mikegrb | thou s h.??? That's amazing! |
| 00:31 | schweeb | can't believe XF86 4.3 is out |
| 00:31 | ElectricElf | schweeb: Heh :) |
| 00:31 | ElectricElf | schweeb: Haven't upgraded yet. |
| 00:31 | schweeb | ElectricElf: whether it be american or canadian bacon ;) |
| 00:32 | schweeb | think I'm gonna redo this system |
| 00:32 | ElectricElf | mikegrb: It's apparently easier to use the on-screen keyboard :) |
| 00:32 | @mikegrb | heh |
| 00:32 | schweeb | I don't trust the transition from experimental's 4.3 -> unstable 4.3 |
| 00:32 | ElectricElf | This is XP though. |
| 00:32 | epic | debia small is tripping... its like irssi( needs ssl(needs ncurses devel)))) |
| 00:32 | epic | debian* |
| 00:33 | ElectricElf | The handwriting recog. is decent, but not great. |
| 00:33 | schweeb | epic: ...... |
| 00:33 | epic | hard to maintain |
| 00:33 | epic | i assume |
| 00:33 | schweeb | epic: that's the fucking point |
| 00:33 | schweeb | epic: SMALL |
| 00:33 | epic | unless once you get it running |
| 00:33 | epic | hehe :p |
| 00:33 | chris | epic: remember when I said I hated you? |
| 00:33 | epic | yeah? |
| 00:33 | chris | It still applies |
| 00:33 | epic | o |
| 00:33 | epic | ok |
| 00:33 | schweeb | lol |
| 00:33 | ElectricElf | chris: *cough* :{0 |
| 00:33 | @mikegrb | omg |
| 00:34 | ElectricElf | s/(0/)/ |
| 00:34 | epic | omg omg omg! |
| 00:34 | schweeb | epic: if you want evrything already installed, go use RH or something |
| 00:34 | epic | nah |
| 00:34 | epic | i had it running, i like debian more... makes me think ;) |
| 00:34 | schweeb | otherwise, use apt-get, it's not like you don't get upwards of 260K downloads over the internet from HE |
| 00:34 | ElectricElf | schweeb: I'd actually like caker to provide a Debian-standard image too. |
| 00:35 | schweeb | ElectricElf: what's in standard over base ? |
| 00:35 | ElectricElf | schweeb: The current one isn't really "Debian" |
| 00:35 | schweeb | oic |
| 00:35 | ElectricElf | schweeb: About 150M :) |
| 00:35 | schweeb | ah, heh |
| 00:36 | schweeb | I just install the shit ;) |
| 00:36 | | * ElectricElf would as go for a "Debian rescue" too. |
| 00:36 | schweeb | don't pay attention to the base, as long as I can apt-get stuff |
| 00:36 | schweeb | ElectricElf: that would be really nice |
| 00:36 | ElectricElf | schweeb: Working on it :) |
| 00:37 | ElectricElf | Olay, this is getting painful. |
| 00:38 | schweeb | actually, a good idea would be to allow for a temporary rescue image to be added onto your account for a short period of time, allowing you to manipulate your other images on a non-live system... like what I wanna do, make an image backup |
| 00:38 | ElectricElf | Off to bed for me :) |
| 00:38 | epic | it would be cool if we had a "smart" installation.. you start out with a full debian installation, 7 cds, configure everything you want, then run a program to rm everything thats not being used. |
| 00:38 | epic | linode came with "temp" harddrive for thise reason, higher than the hard limit |
| 00:39 | @inkblot | sudo apt-get install debfoster |
| 00:39 | @inkblot | sudo debfoster |
| 00:39 | epic | ? |
| 00:40 | @inkblot | ^-- shell commands --^ |
| 00:40 | epic | for what |
| 00:40 | @inkblot | installing and running debfoster |
| 00:40 | schweeb | inkblot: ME LIKEY |
| 00:41 | schweeb | never knew about that one |
| 00:41 | @inkblot | sighup, essentials? |
| 00:41 | sighup | rumour has it essentials is n. Things necessary to maintain a productive and secure hacking environment. "A jug of wine, a loaf of bread, a 20-megahertz 80386 box with 8 meg of core and a 300-megabyte disk supporting full UNIX with source and X windows and EMACS and UUCP via a 'blazer to a friendly Internet site, and thou." |
| 00:41 | @inkblot | hmmm |
| 00:41 | @inkblot | grrrr |
| 00:41 | @inkblot | i keep losing my list |
| 00:42 | @inkblot | sighup, essentials are ssh rsync screen mtr tcpdump vim irssi-text debfoster uucp sudo |
| 00:42 | sighup | OK, inkblot. |
| 00:42 | @inkblot | sighup, essentials? |
| 00:42 | sighup | essentials is, like, n. Things necessary to maintain a productive and secure hacking environment. "A jug of wine, a loaf of bread, a 20-megahertz 80386 box with 8 meg of core and a 300-megabyte disk supporting full UNIX with source and X windows and EMACS and UUCP via a 'blazer to a friendly Internet site, and thou." |
| 00:42 | @inkblot | hmmm |
| 00:42 | @inkblot | whatever |
| 00:43 | schweeb | that's the one disadvantage to Debian, there's so many really really useful programs like that that are hidden by the fact that apt sources are OMG HUGE |
| 00:43 | schweeb | gotta comb through 11k+ packages for the cool stuff |
| 00:44 | @inkblot | and then once you've done that, you know everything there is to know about everything |
| 00:44 | @inkblot | mission accomplished |
| 00:44 | schweeb | then they add another cool package |
| 00:44 | schweeb | and you're lost again ;) |
| 00:44 | @inkblot | like robotfindskitten |
| 00:44 | @mikegrb | inkblot: debfoster is awsome, cooks my emergency bacon, wakes me with a blow job every morning, etc... I'm all porno for debfoster, thank you inkblot for telling me about debfoster |
| 00:44 | @inkblot | :D |
| 00:44 | @inkblot | sighup, debfoster is <reply>debfoster \is great! debfoster gives \me a blowjob every morning to wake \me up! debfoster cooks \my emergency bacon! Thank \you, $who, for telling \me about debfoster! \I'm all pr0n0 for debfoster!!!! |
| 00:44 | sighup | OK, inkblot. |
| 00:45 | @inkblot | sighup, mtr is <reply>mtr \is great! mtr gives \me a blowjob every morning to wake \me up! mtr cooks \my emergency bacon! Thank \you, $who, for telling \me about mtr! \I'm all pr0n0 for mtr!!!! |
| 00:45 | sighup | OK, inkblot. |
| 00:45 | @inkblot | sighup, sudo is <reply>sudo \is great! sudo gives \me a blowjob every morning to wake \me up! sudo cooks \my emergency bacon! Thank \you, $who, for telling \me about sudo! \I'm all pr0n0 for sudo!!!! |
| 00:45 | sighup | OK, inkblot. |
| 00:45 | @inkblot | sighup, robotfindskitten is <reply>robotfindskitten \is great! robotfindskitten gives \me a blowjob every morning to wake \me up! robotfindskitten cooks \my emergency bacon! Thank \you, $who, for telling \me about robotfindskitten! \I'm all pr0n0 for robotfindskitten!!!! |
| 00:45 | sighup | OK, inkblot. |
| 00:45 | schweeb | inkblot: I think greb deletes them just to mess with you ;) |
| 00:45 | | * inkblot [heart] his /bacon alias |
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| 00:46 | @mikegrb | sighup: forget essentials |
| 00:46 | sighup | mikegrb: I forgot essentials |
| 00:46 | @mikegrb | there you go bishes |
| 00:46 | @inkblot | sighup, essentials are ssh rsync screen mtr tcpdump vim irssi-text debfoster uucp sudo robotfindskitten nwall |
| 00:46 | sighup | OK, inkblot. |
| 00:46 | @mikegrb | robotfindskitten looks interesting too, will have to check that out tommorow |
| 00:46 | @mikegrb | in the mean time, nn linoders |
| 00:46 | @inkblot | later hobe |
| 00:47 | @inkblot | sighup, nwall is <reply>nwall \is great! nwall gives \me a blowjob every morning to wake \me up! nwall cooks \my emergency bacon! Thank \you, $who, for telling \me about nwall! \I'm all pr0n0 for nwall!!!! |
| 00:47 | sighup | OK, inkblot. |
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| 00:53 | schweeb | crap... 17994 packages in my apt sources |
| 00:54 | @inkblot | so? |
| 00:54 | schweeb | I didn't realize there were so many |
| 00:54 | schweeb | last I checked it was ~11k I think |
| 00:55 | | * inkblot shrugs |
| 00:55 | @inkblot | ok |
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| 01:03 | @inkblot | hooray! |
| 01:03 | @inkblot | @reboot works! |
| 01:04 | mschiano | is perl already installed within redhat? |
| 01:04 | @inkblot | rpm -q perl |
| 01:05 | schweeb | generally it's installed |
| 01:06 | mschiano | i'm completely new to linux, so yeah, i know squat :) |
| 01:06 | mschiano | i'm trying to set up webmin |
| 01:08 | @inkblot | with webmin, you will *always* be new to linux |
| 01:08 | @inkblot | even years from now |
| 01:09 | mschiano | humpf |
| 01:12 | mschiano | how may i go about getting certain services (such as named) to start upon restart? |
| 01:13 | @inkblot | by default, they already should |
| 01:13 | @caker | mschiano: ntsysv |
| 01:13 | mschiano | thank you |
| 01:13 | @caker | np |
| 01:18 | schweeb | weird |
| 01:18 | | * schweeb tries to figure out what was eating all his disk io |
| 01:20 | foonix | caker: do confirmation calls only come during normal biz hours? |
| 01:39 | @caker | foonix: Around then .. I'll try to be considerate of time-zones |
| 01:39 | @caker | schweeb: were you messing with ebtables and logging when your box died last week? |
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| 02:17 | mschiano | is there a default port mysql is set up on? |
| 02:18 | @inkblot | yes |
| 02:18 | @inkblot | [inkblot@goose:~]$ grep mysql /etc/services |
| 02:18 | @inkblot | mysql 3306/tcp # MySQL |
| 02:18 | @inkblot | mysql 3306/udp # MySQL |
| 02:18 | @inkblot | i think it only uses the tcp port |
| 02:19 | mschiano | thank you |
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| 02:32 | fo0bar | hello |
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| 02:36 | @inkblot | hot damn |
| 02:36 | @inkblot | welcome, fo0bar! |
| 02:52 | fo0bar | hey, small world |
| 02:52 | @inkblot | yeah, i know |
| 02:52 | fo0bar | yosemite introduced me to linode, just signed up today |
| 02:53 | @inkblot | hmmmm |
| 02:53 | @inkblot | i wonder who introduced him |
| 02:53 | @inkblot | (not me) |
| 02:53 | fo0bar | *shrug* |
| 02:53 | @inkblot | i've had mine since september |
| 02:53 | @inkblot | beat the /. crowd, that's for sure |
| 02:56 | fo0bar | okay, pardon me for asking this (and making a fool out of myself), but do I know you from anywhere except the occasional bug report on lnx-bbc? :) |
| 02:56 | @inkblot | #g7? |
| 02:56 | @inkblot | #tron? |
| 02:56 | fo0bar | YES! |
| 02:56 | @inkblot | the lnx-bbc credits file? |
| 02:56 | fo0bar | g7 |
| 02:57 | SupaDongzu | ha ha |
| 02:57 | fo0bar | you and your obvious idling superiority |
| 02:57 | @inkblot | :D |
| 02:57 | @inkblot | i use my linode |
| 02:58 | @inkblot | i have a higher item score than jotun |
| 02:58 | fo0bar | I gave up after awhile (and after getting a dozen people hooked on it) |
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| 02:58 | @inkblot | heh |
| 02:59 | fo0bar | same thing with introducing akro to gimpnet (irc.gimp.org:#akro, it's a neat game) |
| 02:59 | fo0bar | I think a couple other nets have it too as well |
| 03:00 | @ | guinea-sleep | hehe |
| 03:01 | --- | User: *** guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-pig |
| 03:01 | fo0bar | anyways, linode seems to be very cool so far |
| 03:02 | fo0bar | sshing into the console... not very useful for day-to-day stuff, but nifty nonetheless |
| 03:02 | @inkblot | much like logging into the console on any other server |
| 03:02 | fo0bar | automatic reverse dns tool... |
| 03:03 | @inkblot | yep |
| 03:03 | @inkblot | forward has to work first |
| 03:03 | fo0bar | yeah, but that's easy |
| 03:04 | fo0bar | and linode/he.net is about 10ms and all fiber away from my soon-to-be-old colo, so my 2.5GB home dir transferred in only a couple minutes |
| 03:04 | fo0bar | sorry, 8ms |
| 03:05 | @inkblot | mine's at the planet |
| 03:05 | fo0bar | that never ceases to amaze me... I'm about 250 miles away from san jose and only 8ms for many things... that's approaching speed of light there |
| 03:06 | @inkblot | hmmmm |
| 03:06 | @inkblot | ms is 1/1000th, right? |
| 03:06 | fo0bar | yeah |
| 03:06 | fo0bar | http://www.google.com/search?&q=speed%20of%20light%20in%20miles%20per%20millisecond |
| 03:07 | @inkblot | groovy |
| 03:07 | fo0bar | so okay, ~1/6 the speed of light, but still pretty amazing |
| 03:08 | @inkblot | <@inkblot> Dumont, great-circle ORD to DFW |
| 03:08 | @inkblot | <+Dumont> inkblot: Great-circle distance: 801.5 mi, 696.5 nm, 1290.0 km, heading 221.5 degrees true |
| 03:08 | @inkblot | round-trip min/avg/max = 41.1/41.7/42.0 ms |
| 03:08 | @inkblot | sighup, 41.7 * 186.282397 |
| 03:08 | sighup | 7767.9759549 |
| 03:09 | @inkblot | sighup, 801.5 / 7767.9759549 |
| 03:09 | sighup | 0.103180031021391 |
| 03:09 | @inkblot | ^-- goose.movealong.org to dorothy.movealong.org |
| 03:09 | @inkblot | expressed as a fraction of c |
| 03:09 | fo0bar | not bad |
| 03:09 | @inkblot | (approximate) |
| 03:10 | @inkblot | routing seems to be pretty direct |
| 03:10 | @inkblot | bounces around chicago a little bit |
| 03:11 | @inkblot | then dallas |
| 03:11 | fo0bar | where is Dumont? |
| 03:11 | @inkblot | but then who knows where the atm network goes |
| 03:11 | @inkblot | chicago |
| 03:11 | fo0bar | no, what net? |
| 03:11 | @inkblot | oh, you mean "why isn't dumont here?" |
| 03:11 | @inkblot | slashnet |
| 03:11 | fo0bar | thanks |
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| 03:13 | fo0bar | 00:12 <fo0bar> great-circle RNO to SJC |
| 03:13 | fo0bar | 00:12 <Dumont> Great-circle distance: 188.2 mi, 163.6 nm, 302.9 km, heading 219.1 degrees true |
| 03:13 | fo0bar | hmm, appearantly I80/680 isn't so direct |
| 03:14 | fo0bar | well, it's 250 miles of road from RNO to SJC ;) |
| 03:15 | fo0bar | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 8.386/8.500/8.668/0.130 ms |
| 03:16 | fo0bar | sighup, 8.5 * 186.282397 |
| 03:16 | sighup | 1583.4003745 |
| 03:16 | fo0bar | sighup, 188.2 / 1583.4003745 |
| 03:16 | sighup | 0.118858125229021 |
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| 06:02 | Devboy | anyone here |
| 06:02 | Devboy | ive installed GCC and it says it can make excuteables any suggestions?? |
| 06:03 | Devboy | can= cannot |
| 06:06 | Devboy | fixed that 1 |
| 06:07 | Devboy | fixe dthe other 1 |
| 06:17 | Devboy | humm carnt seem to fix this one |
| 06:23 | Devboy | help! i can connect via FTP but when i try to connect via ssh it wont connect says connection time out, any suggestions? |
| 06:25 | Tenkawa | sounds like ssh port is blocked or not running |
| 06:25 | Tenkawa | if you try to "telnet thathost 22" what happens? |
| 06:27 | Devboy | exits |
| 06:27 | Devboy | could not oen connection to host |
| 06:28 | Tenkawa | not refused though right? |
| 06:28 | Devboy | nope, connection failed tho |
| 06:28 | Devboy | same with telnet |
| 06:28 | Tenkawa | sounds like port is blocked to me.. |
| 06:28 | Tenkawa | does _ay_ port show active? |
| 06:28 | Tenkawa | thwhole host might be down |
| 06:28 | Tenkawa | err ay/any |
| 06:28 | Devboy | huh |
| 06:29 | Devboy | well ftp works tho, and ive just run a reboot |
| 06:29 | Tenkawa | interesting |
| 06:29 | Devboy | very! i havent installed a firewall of anything its virtualy a NEW! system |
| 06:30 | Devboy | just apache perl, mysql and about to do php! |
| 06:31 | Tenkawa | bummer |
| 06:32 | Devboy | this linode is being a blimin pain |
| 06:33 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 06:38 | Devboy | do u know if it is posible to upgrade php from installed from the apt-command to a own compiled newer version? |
| 06:40 | epic | cya |
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| 07:39 | Devboy | caker u there mate? |
| 08:01 | @mikegrb | too early for him |
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| 08:06 | Devboy | lol |
| 08:06 | Devboy | ahh well, i got my sys back working just need to find away to update php4 to the latest and it still be secure, any suggestions? |
| 08:09 | @mikegrb | what distribution? |
| 08:11 | Devboy | debian |
| 08:13 | @mikegrb | if php4 is already installed then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 08:15 | dmp | Devboy: I wonder if you might be better targetting these questions at #debian |
| 08:18 | Devboy | i ki know dmp but i havcent started my irc client yet |
| 08:18 | dmp | come on, there are IRC clients for windows and unix and they are very easy to use |
| 08:18 | jake | whats the best irc client for windows? |
| 08:19 | jake | I am using GAIM |
| 08:19 | dmp | xchat IMHO |
| 08:19 | jake | works for me |
| 08:19 | dmp | or mirc if you like THAT kind of thing |
| 08:19 | jake | might try it |
| 08:19 | jake | hehe |
| 08:20 | Devboy | i know, i havent starte dit thats all, im about to go in using xchat |
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| 08:23 | jake | ok lets ee how xchat works |
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| 08:23 | Devboy1 | see :) |
| 08:23 | Devboy1 | me on xchat now :P |
| 08:23 | jake | me too |
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| 08:27 | Devboy | sorted! |
| 08:27 | | * chris yawns |
| 08:28 | Devboy | lol# |
| 08:28 | Devboy | chris u wouldent happen to be in #debian would u lo |
| 08:29 | chris | yes I am |
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| 08:30 | Devboy | lol |
| 08:32 | Tenkawa | are you causing trouble in there? |
| 08:32 | Tenkawa | ahhh oftc debian.. not freenode |
| 08:32 | Tenkawa | wheeew |
| 08:33 | chris | Tenkawa: So much hate in you |
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| 08:37 | Tenkawa | what hate? |
| 08:38 | Tenkawa | I'm a nice guy |
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| 09:07 | adamg_ | hmm |
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| 09:14 | @mikegrb | black lists are silly |
| 09:14 | @mikegrb | and now I go back to doing work |
| 09:35 | Tenkawa | okie dokie |
| 09:35 | Tenkawa | spam checking in place |
| 09:36 | schweeb | caker: no, I wasn't messing with ebtables |
| 09:36 | schweeb | caker: I'm assuming it was an XFS and SKAS problem, as ElectricElf has said is a possibility... I'll have to talk to jeff about that |
| 09:37 | Tenkawa | hmm |
| 09:37 | Tenkawa | is there a "spam" test email out there like eicar is for viruses? |
| 09:39 | ElectricElf | schweeb: Ah, did you reboot and have it eat a file? |
| 09:39 | | * Tenkawa runs as full clamscan |
| 09:39 | schweeb | ElectricElf: nope |
| 09:39 | ElectricElf | schweeb: Ah |
| 09:39 | schweeb | ElectricElf: just that one crash where much of the filesystem was possibly unreadable |
| 09:39 | | * ElectricElf is too lazy to do his own reproduction. :) |
| 09:40 | Tenkawa | err as/a |
| 09:40 | ElectricElf | schweeb: K |
| 09:40 | schweeb | I've tried reproducing it myself |
| 09:40 | schweeb | server's been 100% stable since |
| 09:40 | ElectricElf | I never had any crashes or anything. |
| 09:40 | ElectricElf | Only eaten files |
| 09:40 | schweeb | ah |
| 09:40 | ElectricElf | And after a reboot/unmount at that. |
| 09:40 | | * mikegrb eats ElectricElf's files |
| 09:41 | ElectricElf | mikegrb: Away from my files, you! |
| 09:41 | schweeb | no, nothing at all eaten |
| 09:46 | Tenkawa | oh man this is fun :( |
| 09:46 | Tenkawa | I'm trying to move floppyfw from my cdrom to a hard drive |
| 09:46 | Tenkawa | uggh |
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| 10:02 | mschiano | how can i get a full dump of a db through ssh? |
| 10:03 | @caker | mysql? |
| 10:03 | @mikegrb | mysqldump or some such |
| 10:03 | Tenkawa | mikegrb: thats no fun... |
| 10:03 | Tenkawa | gotta do a select sub query |
| 10:03 | Tenkawa | ROFL |
| 10:06 | mschiano | yes, mysql |
| 10:08 | ElectricElf | mschiano: Then yeah, mysqldump |
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| 10:14 | mschiano | thank you |
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| 10:27 | mschiano | is setting up my linode to act as a nameserver difficult? |
| 10:32 | SupaDongzu | it is a trial of your strength, your patience, your steady hand, and your drive geometry |
| 10:32 | SupaDongzu | It will tax you to the utmost |
| 10:33 | mschiano | how do you suppose i go about getting my domain point to my linode then? zoneedit? |
| 10:34 | SupaDongzu | vi |
| 10:34 | SupaDongzu | and bind |
| 10:34 | SupaDongzu | oh |
| 10:34 | SupaDongzu | your domain |
| 10:34 | SupaDongzu | that's between you and your registrar |
| 10:35 | mschiano | right, but i need a nameserver to use |
| 10:40 | @mikegrb | zonedit is free and doesn't require vi |
| 10:40 | @mikegrb | zoneedit even |
| 10:40 | @mikegrb | it might be a better choice as they will do primary and secondary dns for you |
| 10:40 | Devboy | make: *** [ext/ctype/ctype.lo] Error |
| 10:40 | Devboy | help i get that error when i goto make php4 lates |
| 10:41 | Devboy | *latest |
| 10:41 | jake | easydns is a nice dns service too, price is reasonable |
| 10:41 | jake | I have a couple of dozen domains with them, easy interface |
| 10:42 | mschiano | cool, i'll check them out |
| 10:42 | mschiano | thank you |
| 10:43 | jake | np |
| 10:44 | ElectricElf | jake: I'm partial to easyDNS too |
| 10:45 | @mikegrb | pah |
| 10:45 | Devboy | Help, my linode has fucked up and i cannot connect via SSH again! |
| 10:45 | ElectricElf | mschiano: If you want to be running your own DNS server, you just need to give your registrar the IP addresses of your nameservers - on will be your linode, and you'll need a second as well (perhaps a friend is willing to be a secondary or similar). |
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| 10:45 | Devboy | all i have done is installed apache / mysql /perl / webmin and think thats it and am trying to install php! |
| 10:46 | blahrus | Devboy: things seem to be going good for ya |
| 10:46 | jake | from experience I highly recommend not running your own dns servers |
| 10:46 | Devboy | i know yeah! |
| 10:46 | Devboy | i can access it via webmin asswell |
| 10:46 | Devboy | :'( |
| 10:47 | Devboy | i just tried rebooting ssh in webmin and i got this: Bad owner or mode for /var/run/sshd |
| 10:48 | blahrus | who are you logged in threw webmin? |
| 10:48 | Devboy | root |
| 10:48 | ElectricElf | jake: Any particular reason why? |
| 10:49 | jake | keeping your uptime , having at least two servers and the pain in the ass of keeping zone files updated |
| 10:50 | ElectricElf | jake: So basically just "requires knowledge and/or work"? |
| 10:50 | ElectricElf | Oh, and "a friend to run a secondary"? |
| 10:50 | jake | mind you I am doing this for customers, and with someone like easydns, they have 4 server across two seperate locations |
| 10:50 | Devboy | any suggestions people? |
| 10:50 | ElectricElf | jake: (Perfectly valid points mind, just making sure.) |
| 10:50 | blahrus | Devboy: I run it my self and have no issues |
| 10:51 | jake | ElectricElf: yep, all depends on how mych time/effort you want to put into it |
| 10:51 | Devboy | dam |
| 10:51 | Devboy | i never have |
| 10:51 | blahrus | Devboy: but like ElectricElf says just lost of time |
| 10:51 | jake | zoneedit is nice because first 5 are free, but interface is a little rough |
| 10:51 | blahrus | i used dnsexit.com |
| 10:51 | blahrus | all free |
| 10:52 | blahrus | I never had issues with it |
| 10:52 | jake | ElectricElf: also depends on how high traffic they are, I have a couple of really high traffic domains, and need really good uptime, etc. |
| 10:52 | ElectricElf | jake: K. For what it's worth, I run servers for about a dozen domains (maybe six DNS servers in total), and they're really very easy to manage once you learn how. It's not magic or anything, and certainly easier than running a web site with dynamic content. |
| 10:52 | jake | personal accounts I could care less |
| 10:52 | ElectricElf | jake: I disagree with the uptime bit though - what's it matter if the server is down for even a day or three? |
| 10:53 | ElectricElf | jake: (I mean, that's the entire point of having multiple servers :) |
| 10:53 | jake | ElectricElf: right if you have multiple servers you are ok, and I would recommend across multiple providers too |
| 10:53 | ElectricElf | It's not as good as a primary SMTP server, which can safely be down for weeks with a decent secondary, but certainly nothing terrible. |
| 10:53 | ElectricElf | jake: Obviously. |
| 10:53 | ElectricElf | jake: :) |
| 10:54 | ElectricElf | jake: "wire, switch, trunk, grid, country, continent" :) |
| 10:54 | jake | ElectricElf: Also, I generally am doing this for clients, so it is their cost and if something happens, I can pass it of as being someoneelses fault |
| 10:54 | ElectricElf | (Six things two DNS servers should never share.) |
| 10:54 | dmp | you missed server, ElectricElf |
| 10:54 | dmp | ;) |
| 10:55 | ElectricElf | dmp: If you can get two servers on *one* wire, you definetly don't need to be told the above :) |
| 10:55 | @mikegrb | heh |
| 10:55 | dmp | I've got two servers on *one* wire |
| 10:55 | ElectricElf | Ruling out token ring ;) |
| 10:55 | dmp | it's called a linode with two ips |
| 10:55 | ElectricElf | dmp: Two seperate boxes? One one wire? |
| 10:55 | @mikegrb | heh |
| 10:55 | dmp | two separate IPs |
| 10:55 | @mikegrb | that is the same server |
| 10:55 | dmp | one server |
| 10:55 | ElectricElf | dmp: Bah, if you're going to talk about virtual servers, then you better refer to virtual wires too :) |
| 10:55 | dmp | which is both primary and secondary DNS ;) |
| 10:55 | ElectricElf | dmp: (Duly noted, however.) |
| 10:56 | @mikegrb | ElectricElf++ heh virtual wires |
| 10:56 | dmp | my scheme is wrong and stupid - having primary and secondary dns servers off one linode with two ips |
| 10:56 | dmp | however the linode IS the domain |
| 10:56 | dmp | and everything on it |
| 10:56 | dmp | so if it is down, the domain is useless to me anyway ;) |
| 10:56 | jake | one server doing dns off of one box with two ips as primary and secondary, that could be trouble ;-) |
| 10:57 | dmp | jake: it works fine for me... as i said, all the stuff relating to the domain (web blah blah) is off the same linode too |
| 10:57 | ElectricElf | dmp: A lot of people use that excuse (myself included), but there is an argument against it; changing NSes at the registrar can take a good long while (days perhaps) ... whereas if your linode goes down permanently, and you know it, but you've got a seperate secondary, you can just change the As and similar to point to a new and/or temporary box, so very little interruption in service. |
| 10:58 | dmp | ElectricElf: that is a good point I hadn't considered |
| 10:58 | ElectricElf | dmp: (Compared to the linode going down permanently, you'd have potentially days of waiting until the glue records from the registrar propogated) |
| 10:58 | jake | dmp: yep, totally screwd, so why would it matter, although one thing is mail, if you have a secondary server that spools, them when box is down mail spools, other wise if all on one box, when it goes down mail is bounced back to sender |
| 10:58 | ElectricElf | dmp: Heh :) |
| 10:58 | dmp | jake: I have no secondary ;) |
| 10:58 | ElectricElf | dmp: Don't get me wrong, I do it myself too for stuff I don't care about. But I do like that argumen ;) |
| 10:58 | ElectricElf | s/gumen/gument/ |
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| 10:58 | @mikegrb | dmp: you could just ask me :) |
| 10:58 | dmp | mikegrb: I'm not too worried TBH |
| 10:59 | blahrus | or we could just have servers never go down that wouldn't have to worry about it |
| 10:59 | blahrus | :) |
| 10:59 | dmp | I've had my xbox as my mailserver here for ages, with no secondary |
| 10:59 | dmp | and it works well enough for me |
| 10:59 | dmp | I'm not a company |
| 10:59 | dmp | :) |
| 10:59 | @mikegrb | it takes a few minutes at most to tell my mailserver and bind to be nice to you |
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| 10:59 | ElectricElf | blahrus: That's my approach to the entire "availability" problem ;) |
| 10:59 | jake | dmp: don't get me wrong for things that are mine(personally) I do the same, but for clients, the extra steps help |
| 11:00 | blahrus | ElectricElf: well thats the idea at lest :) |
| 11:00 | dmp | agreed, absolutely |
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| 11:02 | You_Wish | anybody here use squirrel mail |
| 11:02 | blahrus | i do |
| 11:02 | blahrus | love it |
| 11:03 | You_Wish | i just set it up |
| 11:03 | | * lurq is trying to get IMP up |
| 11:03 | blahrus | and its really easy to install plugin's |
| 11:03 | You_Wish | where is loging name and pass |
| 11:03 | You_Wish | when i go to webmail it asks for login and pass |
| 11:04 | You_Wish | where do i get that from |
| 11:04 | lurq | blahrus: what kind of plugins do you need/use for SqMail? |
| 11:04 | You_Wish | none yet |
| 11:04 | You_Wish | i just want to login it |
| 11:04 | You_Wish | but dont know what login name and pass to use |
| 11:04 | lurq | You_Wish: I guess it's asking for the uid/passwd for the IMAP server you configured it to? |
| 11:04 | lurq | at least, that's how IMP does it |
| 11:05 | You_Wish | i haven't touched imap |
| 11:05 | lurq | ok, POP then |
| 11:05 | You_Wish | where do i do that at to add user accounts |
| 11:06 | You_Wish | how do i add users accounts so i can log in |
| 11:06 | chris | Those accounts should be the same accounts as the users on the syste, |
| 11:06 | chris | *system |
| 11:06 | You_Wish | so i should be able to log in as root |
| 11:06 | chris | Not necessarily, most systems don't relay mail directly to root |
| 11:06 | blahrus | lurq: there are TONS AND TONS on their website |
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| 11:07 | blahrus | just really depends what you need |
| 11:07 | blahrus | they have back upstuff |
| 11:07 | blahrus | you name it reall |
| 11:07 | blahrus | really |
| 11:07 | You_Wish | so how do i login to it |
| 11:07 | lurq | blahrus: S/MIME plugin? PGP? |
| 11:07 | You_Wish | or how do i add users so i can set it up |
| 11:08 | You_Wish | the browser is coming up so i am guessing i can use it now but dont know how to add accounts |
| 11:09 | You_Wish | I keep getting incorrect login and pass |
| 11:09 | You_Wish | is there a default login and pass |
| 11:09 | blahrus | lurq: naw |
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| 11:10 | You_Wish | Unknown user or password incorrect. |
| 11:10 | You_Wish | Go to the login page |
| 11:10 | chris | You_Wish: It would make a lot more sense to read the squirrelmail docs instead of asking in your host's channel |
| 11:11 | You_Wish | dude i dont ask anything in here unless i have spent days or weeks looking and reading |
| 11:11 | chris | So you've spent weeks reading the squirrelmail docs? |
| 11:12 | You_Wish | yes man |
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| 11:12 | You_Wish | you think i like coming here and catching hell |
| 11:13 | You_Wish | chris = caker |
| 11:14 | You_Wish | last time i check this channel is for general chat |
| 11:14 | lurq | You_Wish: I assume that SquirrelMail needs to be configured to talk to an IMAP or POP3 server, right? |
| 11:15 | You_Wish | i think so |
| 11:15 | lurq | You_Wish: have you made sure that the IMAP or POP server SquirrelMail is talking to is up and running? |
| 11:15 | You_Wish | i thought all config was done when the login screen showed |
| 11:15 | lurq | You_Wish: you wish... |
| 11:15 | dmp | heh |
| 11:15 | You_Wish | lurq i dont know how to check that |
| 11:16 | lurq | well, do you intend it to talk to an IMAP or a POP server? |
| 11:16 | You_Wish | imap |
| 11:17 | lurq | and have you installed the imap server? |
| 11:17 | You_Wish | yes |
| 11:17 | lurq | ok, is it being run from inetd? |
| 11:17 | You_Wish | i think i turned it on properly from inetd |
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| 11:18 | lurq | check /etc/inetd.conf, and see which protocols are defined there (like "imap2" and/or "imaps") |
| 11:19 | You_Wish | k |
| 11:19 | lurq | You_Wish: find anything? |
| 11:19 | You_Wish | looking now |
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| 11:23 | --- | ---> slacker [~You_Wish@adsl-068-209-131-003.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #linode |
| 11:23 | slacker | i only have inetd.co |
