TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2004:02:15

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01:49	EFudd	<- wishes he go go 2 minutes without coughing up a lung
01:49	EFudd	been sick now, 5 days?
01:49	@caker	cold?
01:49	@caker	drug of choice?
01:50	@caker	<-- Advil Cold and Sinus (yum)
01:50	EFudd	cold/flu/something
01:50	EFudd	think i picked up what gf had
01:50	EFudd	now i'm eh... pretty messed up on nyquil. but been that way for the last 24 hours
01:50	EFudd	i've got this one scratch in my throat that makes me cough violently every few minutes.
01:54	ElectricElf	caker: Did blocking those odd packets stop the connection-dropping, by the way?
01:56	@caker	ElectricElf: yes. I haven't looked to see if we're still receiving it, but HE said the customer-at-fault (on the same switch as us) was to fix it Thu/Fri
01:56	@caker	ElectricElf: still strange that their traffic messed with our connections
01:57		* EFudd mumbles something about broked l2 devices
01:57	ElectricElf	caker: Yah. To say the least. :)
01:57	ElectricElf	caker: Scary strange, really ;)
01:57	@caker	ElectricElf: kinda ...
01:58	ElectricElf	caker: Indeed.
01:58	@caker	I'm looking into some ip-block specific in/out filters on each host
01:58	@caker	rather than relying on the provider's routing to DTRT
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02:02	ElectricElf	caker: I'm a default-deny kind of guy. If I haven't taken it into account, it doesn't come in nor does it go out
02:03	@caker	ElectricElf: I do that with the Linode tables, but not in general, so that's the perfect method
02:03	@caker	(like you mentioned)
02:04	ElectricElf	I'd still be worried about those packets having an effect though ;)
02:04		* EFudd dies
02:04	ElectricElf	caker: Is the 2924 the switch that you blocked it on?
02:05	mikegrb	vuln-dev@
02:05	mikegrb	:)
02:05	@caker	ElectricElf: no, I spooled it out to each host
02:05	ElectricElf	caker: K.
02:05	EFudd	02:05 -!- idle : 2 days 10 hours 53 mins 47 secs [signon: Thu Feb 12
02:05	@caker	I don't trust myself with the ACLs yet, but I've got a switch here to experiment on
02:05	EFudd	well that is good.
02:06		* ElectricElf scoffs in the general direction of Cisco hardware.
02:06	mikegrb	:)
02:06		* EFudd s off's in the diredtion of Electric Elf
02:06		* EFudd hands himself a 'c'
02:06		* ElectricElf offers another :)
02:07	EFudd	can't sleep. gnome will get me.
02:07	ElectricElf	EFudd: Watch your underpants!
02:07	ElectricElf	3. ...
02:07	ElectricElf	4. PROFIT!!!
02:07	EFudd	actually the issue is, i can't sleep cause i'll start coughing again
02:07	EFudd	wake becky up
02:08	EFudd	and just generally be miserable
02:08	ElectricElf	EFudd: Been there, done that :\|
02:08	ElectricElf	EFudd: Even got kicked out of bed.
02:09	mikegrb	:/
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---	Log	opened Sun Feb 15 02:09:13 2004
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02:09	ElectricElf	mikegrb_: ?
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02:10	mikegrb	I dunno
02:10	mikegrb	did orion go anywherE?
02:10	@caker	mikegrb: looks like ircd and sighup lived
02:10	ElectricElf	mikegrb: Yeah, they appear to be fine.
02:11	mikegrb	caker: thanks, that was what I was curious abuot
02:11		* ElectricElf smells fish. Fishy fish.
02:11	@caker	mikegrb: host looks fine
02:12	mikegrb	yeah
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02:13		* schweeb slaps ElectricElf with a large trout
02:13	ElectricElf	Mmmm! Trout!
02:13	ElectricElf	schweeb: Though, for future reference, I tend to prefer Sole. :)
02:13	schweeb	yea, you'd like that, wouldn't you, you damn dirty canuck.
02:13	ElectricElf	lol
02:14	ElectricElf	schweeb: Don't make me hit you upside the head with a KILL :)
02:14	ElectricElf	schweeb: (Just kidding, we don't do that here.)
02:14	schweeb	heh
02:14	schweeb	stonetable quite enjoys it on Ars ;)
02:15	ElectricElf	Hah :)
02:15	EFudd	http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/sharp_zaurus_C860.htm
02:15	EFudd	i've been staring at that PDA for ~1yr now
02:15	EFudd	wish it wasn't so damn pricey.
02:16	ElectricElf	EFudd: Yeah, so have I.
02:16	schweeb	mmm Zaurus
02:16	ElectricElf	EFudd: Thinking about it, a hiptop (Sidekick if you're familiar with T-Mobile), and a live CD I'm working on as a laptop replacement.
02:17	EFudd	eh
02:17	EFudd	hiptop/sidekick/etc isn't available here
02:17	ElectricElf	EFudd: They're really amazingly cool. :)
02:17	schweeb	ElectricElf: stone's got one
02:17	EFudd	Yes. I realize that. :)
02:17	ElectricElf	EFudd: Next sysadmin job I get, I'm getting one.
02:17	ElectricElf	schweeb: Oh, man, I've got to bug him.
02:17	schweeb	I have a buddy with one too
02:17	ElectricElf	EFudd: Especially with the SSH2 client ... Mmmmmmm.
02:18	EFudd	....
02:18	EFudd	they continue to have 0 North Carolina Coverage
02:18	schweeb	sharp doesn't sell the C-Series in the US, do they?
02:18	ElectricElf	schweeb: No, but there are a number of importers.
02:18	EFudd	there are a numbe rof importers yes. Btu they are all overpriced.
02:18	schweeb	aren't they all foreign language models though?
02:18	EFudd	cheapest i'm aware o is conics.net
02:18	EFudd	still $750+ iirc
02:18	ElectricElf	schweeb: Yeah, but there are ready instructions on how to convert them.
02:19	EFudd	860 anyway
02:19	ElectricElf	EFudd: Yeah, conics is the place I've been drooling on as well.
02:19	EFudd	i bought a libretto l5 a year ago
02:19	EFudd	so i guess i'lll stick with that
02:19	ElectricElf	schweeb: And if you're going to flash it with Opie or something other than the stock ROM, it's not like it matters much anyways.
02:19	EFudd	mind you, it sits powered off 90pct of the time now
02:19	EFudd	it's a real laptop and not much bigger than apda ultimatelyh
02:19	ElectricElf	EFudd: Thinkpad 380D here.
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02:19	ElectricElf	Yeah, the Librettos are nice.
02:20	EFudd	i dunno how small a 380d is
02:20	ElectricElf	EFudd: It's not really small, but its blocker than most laptops today. Not as big in width and depth, but bigger in thickness. I quite like it.
02:20		* EFudd 's throat begins to throb from the coughing
02:20	ElectricElf	EFudd: The new ones with the big-ass screens, you need a briefcase or a largish backpack to carry them around :\|
02:20	schweeb	I have my 12lb Dell laptop ;)... that's portable... sort of...
02:21	schweeb	ElectricElf: heh, I had to buy a quite large backpack for my Dell
02:21	EFudd	hrm. fiance has been looking at victoria's sekret onl my computer
02:21	schweeb	but at least everything on the damn thing is Linux compatible
02:21	EFudd	schweeb, i've got a 10lb 17" widescreen toshiba. definately not portable.
02:21	ElectricElf	schweeb: Yeah.
02:21	mikegrb	EFudd: I can't get one in SC either :/
02:21	EFudd	i don't have a case for it still.
02:21	EFudd	mike, /nods.
02:21	mikegrb	artifex has a hiptop
02:22	mikegrb	I looked at it :/
02:22	EFudd	hopefully that wireless beta thingy i'll be able to get in
02:22	EFudd	i forget who the carrier is ... um, the 2 way walkie talkie fokl (drugged here. can't remember much atm)
02:22	EFudd	anyway tehy are gttesting a 1.5Mbit wireless solution over the next view months
02:22	EFudd	nextel. that's it.
02:22	mikegrb	t-mobile even has a spiffy data only plan, 29 a month unlimited data 0 included voice minutes but $0.10/min for voice when I need it
02:22	EFudd	pcmcia card in this area.
02:22	EFudd	signup thingy was on /..... so i signed up.
02:22	mikegrb	:)
02:22	mikegrb	nice
02:22	mikegrb	good luck
02:22	EFudd	mike, $30/mo unlimited data is the shit!
02:23	mikegrb	right
02:23	EFudd	i'm paying $80/mo unlimited data on sprint atm
02:23	mikegrb	that would be perfect
02:23	mikegrb	I can talk to heidi on irc if I need to :)
02:23	schweeb	jesus
02:23	mikegrb	or if she takes it with her she can reach me on irc :)
02:23	schweeb	$849 suggested for that zaurus
02:23	mikegrb	she already ssh'es to orion to irc as it is so she would be able to handle it on the hiptop with no training
02:23	EFudd	yah.
02:23	mikegrb	she is a good geek wife
02:24	EFudd	ok
02:24	EFudd	nyquil == suck
02:24	schweeb	can the hiptop IRC?
02:24	EFudd	i'm now on 4 niquil pills
02:24	EFudd	and stil up
02:24	EFudd	WTF !!
02:24	mikegrb	schweeb: it can ssh
02:24	mikegrb	schweeb: and it runs java aps I believe so you could probably get a java client
02:24	schweeb	geez
02:24	mikegrb	has a native ssh client though I believe
02:24	schweeb	java = teh suck
02:25	@caker	EFudd is robotripping .. well, with nyquil
02:25	EFudd	right.
02:25	EFudd	i can think of more fun times in life.
02:25	EFudd	it's never any fun until you start seeing paisley on white.
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02:26	schweeb	they need to combine a Sun commercial and a Snickers commercial... "Using Java? Not going anywhere for a while? Eat a Snickers."
02:27	mikegrb	heh
02:27	mikegrb	well it wouldn't be a sun commercial then :p
02:27	EFudd	every time i cough
02:27	EFudd	i'm gonna send a ^G to channel
02:27	EFudd	just so you can all feel my pain
02:27	mikegrb	:<
02:27	schweeb	go for it
02:27	EFudd
02:27	mikegrb
02:27	EFudd	yah yah
02:27	EFudd	we all have beep off :P
02:27	mikegrb
02:27	mikegrb	heh
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02:33	schweeb	whoops wrong channel
02:33	schweeb	oh well
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02:34	EFudd	these rumors of a 70k base for the next generation z06 make me cry
02:34	EFudd	i like the 42k versions of the z06
02:34	schweeb	70k as in $70,000 ?
02:34	EFudd	yes
02:34	schweeb	ouch
02:34	EFudd	yes.
02:35	schweeb	I wouldn't buy one at that price
02:35	EFudd	it's still a deal
02:35	EFudd	but eh...
02:35	EFudd	that's how much the ZR1 was
02:35	EFudd	35k base + 35-36k option
02:35	schweeb	that's in the range of BMW M3's and such though ;)
02:35	EFudd	Yes.
02:35	EFudd	i realize that. :)
02:35	EFudd	which is what makes me cry. :)
02:36	schweeb	I'd get the M3. less people own M3's, and the M3 is a pretty slick looking vehicle
02:36		* EFudd po
02:36	schweeb	and this coming from a huge vette fan
02:36	EFudd	i enjoyed my z06 much more than the m3
02:36	EFudd	and the m3 was a 'vert
02:37	EFudd	ok, gonna try to get some sleep again i guess
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03:56	Ciaran[church	\| Gah. The connection to my Linode is really slow.
03:57	@caker	Ciaran[church]: anything look odd when you traceroute to it?
04:01	Ciaran[church	\| Let me take a look...
04:01	Ciaran[church	\| (also, I won't be here long, I'm going to church in a min.)
04:02	Ciaran[church	\| Also, why is traceroute installed in /usr/sbin on most computers when it can be run as a non-root user? sigh I keep forgetting to do that.
04:02	@caker	heh
04:03	Ciaran[church	\| So far, every hop further than my router is showing as "* * *".
04:03	Maturin	You're going to church in a minute? Wow, you must be in a different part of the world than I am. After all these years on it I'm sometimes still amazed by the 'net.
04:03	Ciaran[church	\| I wonder... hang on.
04:04	Maturin	'cause it's 1am here.
04:04	Ciaran[church	\| Maybe my router's blocking ICMP packets from getting returned or something.
04:04	Ciaran[church	\| That wouldn't cause the slowdown, but still...
04:04	Ciaran[church	\| It's 9:04am on Sunday here.
04:04	Ciaran[church	\| I'm in the UK.
04:04	Maturin	ah, ok.
04:05	Ciaran[church	\| And you must be in the PST area. :D
04:05	Ciaran[church	\| Most people seem to be either 5 hours (EST) or 8 hours (PST) behind me.
04:05	Maturin	Yes, I'm a few miles away from Hurricane Electric. :)
04:05	Ciaran[church	\| Oh wow. Nice pings, then. :D
04:05	Maturin	Oh yeah!
04:06	Maturin	caker: I'm a new subscriber (just a few days), and am positively thrilled with your service. You rock.
04:06	Ciaran[church	\| Yeah, I think my router must be blocking ICMP messages. kicks it Hang on.
04:06	ElectricElf	Yay linode. :)
04:06	@caker	Maturin: Hey, thanks man!
04:06	Ciaran[church	\| I concur with Maturin.
04:06	Ciaran[church	\| (I'm new too)
04:06	@caker	Ciaran[church]: which host are you on?
04:06	Ciaran[church	\| host15.
04:06	Ciaran[church	\| But it's not the fault of that.
04:07	Ciaran[church	\| Every step further than my router is blocked.
04:07	Ciaran[church	\| traceroute to matrix.theblob.org (66.220.1.230), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
04:07	Ciaran[church	\| 1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 0.579 ms 0.534 ms 0.517 ms
04:07	Ciaran[church	\| 2 * * *
04:07	Ciaran[church	\| 3 * * *
04:07	Ciaran[church	\| (etc)
04:07	ElectricElf	Ciaran[church]: Your router must be blocking them, then :\|
04:07	Ciaran[church	\| Yeah. I'll check that out when I come back from church.
04:07	@caker	Ciaran[church]: 4:00 AM EST is a common cron-job time, too
04:09	Ciaran[church	\| I normally do my jobs at midnight.
04:09	Ciaran[church	\| But that's only convention.
04:10	Ciaran[church	\| Oh, and that's midnight on whatever server I'm using.
04:10	@caker	Ciaran[church]: What happens is the rest of the Linodes sucking up disk I/O, which, under 2.4 isn't so hot .. one of the reasons I'm preparing to switch to 2.6 w/ a fair disk i/o scheduler
04:10	Ciaran[church	\| Ahhhh. Of course.
04:12	Ciaran[church	\| Ah well. I'm off now.
04:12	@caker	Ciaran[church]: see ya
04:12	Ciaran[church	\| Well, off to idle again, anyway. ;)
04:12	Ciaran[church	\| (it is okay in here, right?)
04:12	Maturin	bye, Ciaran.
04:12	@caker	totally
04:12	Ciaran[church	\| Cool. I asked ElectricElf about idling before and he said it was okay, so with him being an ircop and all I trusted him ;), but I thought it would be cool to ask you as well.
04:13	Ciaran[church	\| So... yeah. See ya. :D
04:13	@caker	ok :)
04:13		* Ciaran[churc poofs.
04:18	Maturin	<yawn>, goodnight.
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04:29	Ciaran[church	\| Actually, I have about 10 minutes before I need to go. You still there, Chris?
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04:29	@caker	Yes
04:30	Ciaran	Okay, cool. I've got three questions to ask. :)
04:30	@caker	shoot
04:30	Ciaran	Firstly, the signup form said that a call-back was required before the account would be activated, but I didn't get a call. How come?
04:30	Ciaran	Is it 'cuz I'm in the UK?
04:31	@caker	I have a system which generates a fraud score, based on the information you provide (IP, bin/CC number, bank name, etc)
04:31	@caker	And I use this score to determine whom I call back for verification
04:32	Ciaran	Ah, cool.
04:32	@caker	I've called the UK plenty of times (all over, actually)
04:32	@caker	time zones suddenly become very relevant :)
04:32	ElectricElf	Heh
04:32	Ciaran	(yay, my fraudulent order wasn't recognised by Chris? Now I can root his box and--- oops) You didn't hear that, did you Chris? hangs halo above head
04:33	@caker	heh
04:33	vitrum	interesting... is that a system you've designed or is there something available for businesses out there to use for that kind of stuff?
04:33	@caker	I mostly use www.maxmind.com, along with a phone-number decoder type site
04:34	@caker	plus a score that's returned by my CC gateway
04:34	vitrum	huh
04:34		* caker hates scammers
04:34	Ciaran	Ah. My phone number I gave was my mobile number, so that couldn't have been trackable by location...
04:34	ElectricElf	Ciaran: To your region though, probably.
04:34	Ciaran	The second question I wanted to ask was about signups again... how many of them (including me) came from that Slashdot thread? :D
04:35	Ciaran	EE: Oh, it was a UK number, yeah.
04:35	@caker	Well .. probably a dozen or two that said "slashdot" on their signup for how hear about us
04:35	Ciaran	Ah. Cool.
04:38	Ciaran	And last question... on the Mandrake 9.1 images you have, would it be possible to put Internet sources for the CD-ROMs in urpmi? I know of one source in particular that I use with no problem at all.
04:39	@caker	Sure, send it along to me, and I'll add it to the to-do list
04:40	Ciaran	Okay. You don't want me to put the commands here then?
04:40	Ciaran	Or I guess I could put them on the forum...
04:40	@caker	either way :)
04:40	Ciaran	Okay. Well, I'll do both then. :D
04:41	Ciaran	Here are the commands I would use for them:
04:41	Ciaran	(as root, obviously)
04:41	Ciaran	urpmi.removemedia "Installation CD 1"
04:41	Ciaran	urpmi.removemedia "Installation CD 2"
04:41	Ciaran	urpmi.removemedia "Installation CD 3"
04:42	Ciaran	urpmi.addmedia "Installation CD 1 (Internet)" http://lorien.handhelds.org/Mandrake9.1/Mandrake/RPMS/ with ../base/hdlist1.cz
04:43	Ciaran	urpmi.addmedia "Installation CD 2 (Internet)" http://lorien.handhelds.org/Mandrake9.1/Mandrake/RPMS2/ with ../base/hdlist2.cz
04:43	Ciaran	urpmi.addmedia "Installation CD 3 (Internet)" http://lorien.handhelds.org/Mandrake9.1/Mandrake/RPMS3/ with ../base/hdlist3.cz
04:43	Ciaran	That should do the trick.
04:43	@caker	Is the end result of this just a change to a config file somewhere?
04:44		* caker doesn't use Mandrake much
04:44	Ciaran	No, it also downloads the .cz files mentioned and indexes them.
04:45	@caker	ok :)
04:46	Ciaran	It's just that by default, the sources are set to read from /dev/cdrom , which obviously I don't have access to.
04:46	Ciaran	And it's not like bandwidth is short or anything. :D
04:46	@caker	looks correct :)
04:46	Ciaran	.
04:46	Ciaran	Whoops, silly dot.
04:47	Ciaran	Right, now I really am off. :D
04:47	Ciaran	See you in a few hours.
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04:48	vitrum	bizarre feeling when one gets up for the morning while i should probably be going to bed
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08:03	Ciaran	Hello again. :D
08:03	Ciaran	Didn't miss a lot, I see...
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09:06	myprodol	heh, do linodes have more space now?
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09:11	Majid	Hello, is there anyone here using linode services?
09:12	myprodol	I am
09:13	Majid	what's your comment on it?
09:13	Majid	how is it in terms of performance?
09:14	myprodol	Great, I just have lag connecting from south africa on 56k dialup.
09:14	Majid	which plan do you have?
09:14	myprodol	256
09:15	myprodol	And it seems the linodes have more space now too :}
09:15	Majid	oh well that shouldn't have problem with performance.
09:16	Majid	well I am looking for a dedicated server for the price of max $30/m
09:16	Majid	I am affraid 96MB RAM will not provide me the right performance
09:17	myprodol	Hey, it's linux, you don't need much
09:17	Majid	I know, but redhat 9 uses more ram
09:18	myprodol	i run debian on mine :}
09:18	adamg	you will find it hard to find a dedicated server for $30/m
09:18	Majid	well I have found actually.
09:18	Majid	one dedicated and others virtual
09:19	Majid	I mean virtual dedicated
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09:28		* Ciaran tries something.
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09:28	ciaran_	Yay.
09:28	ciaran_	It shows my reverse DNS. Cool. :D
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10:22	sinned	where did you find a dedicated server for $30/m ?
10:23	myprodol	Majid quit already
10:23	sinned	oh i see
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10:48	adamg	I know of dedis for 30 ukp
10:48	adamg	sighup change 20 gbp to usd
10:48	sighup	adamg: 20 British Pound makes 37.69 U.S. Dollar
10:48	adamg	sighup change 30 gbp to usd
10:48	sighup	adamg: 30 British Pound makes 56.53 U.S. Dollar
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13:36	epic	i made a bash script to do an ls after a cd, but it returns me to the directory i executed it from...
13:38	@tjfontaine	what?
13:39	epic	i want to automatically ls right after i cd to a directory
13:39	epic	so i do:
13:39	epic	alias cd="./~/scripts/cdls"
13:39	epic	and in that files is:
13:39	epic	#!/bin/bash
13:39	SupaDongzu	hahahaha
13:40	epic	cd $1
13:40	epic	ls
13:40	SupaDongzu	ha ha ./~/
13:40	epic	?
13:40	SupaDongzu	cd is a builtin
13:40	SupaDongzu	best to do a function
13:40	SupaDongzu	using $@ or whatever
13:40	SupaDongzu	but even that sucks
13:40	epic	i dont care if it sucks, i just want it to work :)
13:41	SupaDongzu	alias cd='echo -e "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.";cd'
13:41	SupaDongzu	that's what I do
13:41	SupaDongzu	but that's because I just stick cd at the end
13:41	SupaDongzu	but
13:41	SupaDongzu	in closing
13:41	SupaDongzu	ha ha ./~/
13:41	epic	wtf
13:41	epic	wow, ./~/
13:41	SupaDongzu	10:39 <epic> alias cd="./~/scripts/cdls"
13:41	epic	yes
13:41	SupaDongzu	also
13:42	SupaDongzu	you need to use $@
13:42	SupaDongzu	what if you have to cd to a dir with a space in the name?
13:42	epic	ok
13:42	epic	i dont
13:42	SupaDongzu	try like
13:42	SupaDongzu	cd "$@"
13:42	SupaDongzu	you will
13:42	SupaDongzu	someday
13:42	SupaDongzu	you will
13:42	epic	ok
13:42	SupaDongzu	and it will baffle you
13:42	SupaDongzu	you'll untar something
13:42	SupaDongzu	and it'll make a dir with a space in the name
13:42	SupaDongzu	and you'll get like
13:42	ElectricElf	SupaDongzu++ :)
13:42	SupaDongzu	NO SUCH DIR EMAD
13:42	SupaDongzu	and you'll be al "I'm trying to go to 'EMAD FOO'!!!!"
13:43	epic	ok whatever i changed it
13:43	SupaDongzu	rok
13:43	epic	do you know how i can get it to not drop to the directory where i started the shell?
13:43	SupaDongzu	how do you mean?
13:43	epic	like,
13:43	SupaDongzu	oh
13:43	SupaDongzu	well
13:43	epic	ok
13:43	SupaDongzu	you're running a script
13:43	SupaDongzu	you're starting a subshell
13:43	SupaDongzu	it cds
13:43	epic	yes
13:43	SupaDongzu	and then it exits
13:43	epic	yeah
13:44	SupaDongzu	that's how scripts work
13:44	ElectricElf	SupaDongzu: This is a script, not a function?
13:44	epic	i saw something a few weeks ago
13:44	SupaDongzu	ElectricElf: yeah, I'll get to that with him
13:44	epic	where it will not drop to the originating diretory
13:44	ElectricElf	SupaDongzu: Just making sure. :)
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13:44	SupaDongzu	heh
13:44	SupaDongzu	well
13:44	SupaDongzu	the way to do it is as a bash function
13:44		* ElectricElf also takes SupaDongzu's enter key away. :)
13:44	SupaDongzu	but to avoid recursion
13:44	epic	is it _possible_
13:44	Ciaran	There's a far easier way for all of you to know.
13:44	SupaDongzu	you'll need to use the (I think) builtin command
13:44	SupaDongzu	yes, it is possible
13:44	Ciaran	Use the "source" command.
13:45	epic	ok
13:45	Ciaran	as in, "source script.sh".
13:45	SupaDongzu	yeah, sourcing the script would work, but would that accept all the args?
13:45	Ciaran	That will execute it in the current context.
13:45	ElectricElf	Ciaran: s/source/./
13:45	Ciaran	EE: I know that, but I was just explaining it. :D
13:45	ElectricElf	SupaDongzu: Yeah, you can provide args to a sourced snippet.
13:45	ElectricElf	Ciaran: K :)
13:45	SupaDongzu	heh
13:45	epic	heh
13:45	SupaDongzu	I think a bash function is far more elegant
13:46	ElectricElf	http://eelf.ddts.net/~dbharris/temp/bash.supercd
13:46	epic	thx
13:46	ElectricElf	epic: Oh, I don't know if that's what you want.
13:46		* ElectricElf was just posting it.
13:47	ElectricElf	epic: But it might.
13:47	epic	ok
13:47	ElectricElf	epic: Source that in your startup script, with '. /path/to/bash.supercd', then 'alias cd=supercd', then drop a .supercd in the directory which has one line, '[ "$1" = "enter" ] && ls'
13:48	ElectricElf	epic: That'll execute 'ls' when you 'cd' to the directory the .supercd is in, or any directory underneath it.
13:48	ElectricElf	epic: One of these days I'll make recursion optional.
13:48	epic	wait
13:48	Ciaran	blinks
13:48	epic	wtf
13:48	epic	why not everything?
13:48	ElectricElf	epic: Why not which?
13:48	SupaDongzu	heh
13:48	epic	:\
13:49	SupaDongzu	I actually still have plans to set up zork-like room descriptions in various dirs
13:49	epic	source works though
13:49	ElectricElf	SupaDongzu: Yeah, I want to add .README support to the above, for documentation. Right now it'll only execute the .supercd if it's either owned by you, or root.
13:49	Ciaran	EE: So... no offence, but why the heck does it take a file as large as that to do what's basically a "cd $1; ls $1"?
13:50	epic	yeah... lol
13:50	ElectricElf	Ciaran: It doesn't. :)
13:50	Ciaran	So what does it do?
13:50	ElectricElf	Ciaran: It provides for you to do any arbitrary stuff on entering/exiting directory trees.
13:50	Ciaran	Ah.
13:51	Ciaran	(see, I didn't RTFS. I didn't really want to.)
13:51	ElectricElf	It's so large because it also does the exiting stuff.
13:51	ElectricElf	Ciaran: If it didn't need to do exit hooks, it'd be way simpler. But as it stands, I use it to set environment variables, umasks, and aliases.
13:51	Ciaran	Fair enough.
13:51	ElectricElf	Ciaran: For instance, http://eelf.ddts.net/~dbharris/temp/etc.supercd
13:52	ElectricElf	Ciaran: That's what I put in my /etc/s which are stored in CVS
13:52	Ciaran	Well, whaddaya know. I backup my /etc directory in CVS too. :D
13:52	epic	Sun Feb 15 \|\| 01:52 PM \|\| li2-216 \|\| epic \|\| ~/scripts
13:52	epic	$ alias cd="source ~/scripts/cdlist $1"
13:52	epic	Sun Feb 15 \|\| 01:52 PM \|\| li2-216 \|\| epic \|\| ~/scripts
13:52	epic	$ cd /
13:52	epic	then it just hangs
13:52	ElectricElf	epic: It's likely looping.
13:52	epic	hmmm
13:53	Ciaran	Ctrl-C out of it.
13:53	epic	i did
13:53	Ciaran	What's the contents of ~/scripts/cdlist ? Don't paste it here, just tell us basically what it does...
13:53	ElectricElf	epic: In ~/scripts/cdlist, you want 'shopt -q expand_aliases' at the top, and 'shopt -s expand_aliases' at the bottom.
13:53	epic	eh
13:53	epic	its just
13:53	epic	ls $@
13:53	epic	or
13:53	epic	hold on a sec
13:53	ElectricElf	s/-q/-u/, sorry.
13:53	epic	cd $1
13:53	epic	ls
13:54	Ciaran	epic: I think I may know the problem.
13:54	Ciaran	You're aliasing cd.
13:54	epic	yes
13:54	Ciaran	Presumably, in the sourced file, you're using cd too.
13:54	epic	im sourcing that file
13:54	Ciaran	So you're calling itself over and over.
13:54	ElectricElf	'shopt -u expand_aliases', 'shopt -s expand_aliases' :)
13:54	epic	ok
13:54	Ciaran	Heh.
13:55	Ciaran	Yeah, what ElectricElf said.
13:55	ElectricElf	epic: Just put those around the 'cd' call.
13:55	epic	ok ty
13:55	ElectricElf	epic: So 'shopt -u expand_aliases; cd "$1"; shopt -s expand_aliases'
13:55	epic	isnt it $@?
13:55	ElectricElf	epic: It should be. You had $1 above though.
13:55	epic	alright
13:55	ElectricElf	epic: (And you might have had reason for it, so I left it as it was.)
13:56	epic	ok, just wasnt working before with $@
13:56	ElectricElf	Yeah, that wasn't the problem.
13:56	epic	ok
13:57	epic	yay it works
13:57	Ciaran	I'm having a few problems with it.
13:57	epic	thanks guys :)
13:57	Ciaran	Here's my ~/bin/cdls file:
13:57	Ciaran	shopt -u expand_aliases
13:57	Ciaran	cd $1; ls $1 --co
13:57	Ciaran	shopt -s expand_aliases
13:57	epic	nah
13:57	ElectricElf	Ciaran: I also put supercd and alias it to 'cd' by default on all the shared boxes that I administer, to print out informational messages when people enter particular directories. ie: "cd /foo/bar" may result in "we have to keep this directory world-readable for technical reasons, but you should NOT be looking here. Go away or your account will be restricted to CVS only."
13:57	Ciaran	Nice.
13:57	epic	lol
13:58	ElectricElf	epic: All set then? :)
13:58	Ciaran	EE: So does that work by storing such messages in a .cdprint file or something?
13:58	epic	yeah thankyou
13:58	ElectricElf	epic: What I posted above, it wouldn't have worked for you, I didn't realise you were trying to do it with / specifically.
13:58	epic	it works
13:58	ElectricElf	epic: For that to work, you'd need to be able to turn off recursion, which isn't possible yet. (Just FYI)
13:58	epic	it works perfect
13:58	ElectricElf	epic: Yeah, I meant bash.supercd. In case you were thinking about poking around with it.
13:58	epic	oh
13:59	epic	yeah i might
13:59	ElectricElf	Ciaran: No, that uses supercd - it's just that the .supercd in the directory prints the message on enter.
13:59	Ciaran	EE: Fair enough.
13:59	ElectricElf	Ciaran: But I do want to add support for simple message-printing in a non-executable way. Right now it won't execute the .supercd if it's owned by another user (security reasons), and there's no way to change that safely.
14:00	epic	check out my leet ascii art, http://epicshells.mine.nu
14:00	ElectricElf	So all those informational-message .supercd files need to be owned by root:root.
14:00	epic	:]
14:00	Ciaran	I must admit, that supercd script seems pretty neat.
14:00		* ElectricElf uses it most for setting umask.
14:01	Ciaran	Now there's a nice idea.
14:01	ElectricElf	Followed by aliases/functions (typically for CVS), and then environment variables.
14:01	ElectricElf	Ciaran: Take a look at the etc.supercd I posted - that's from /etc/.supercd
14:01	epic	freenode has tooooo many ppl
14:01	epic	people
14:02	SupaDongzu	haha
14:02	Ciaran	EE: Yeah, I saw it.
14:02	ElectricElf	Ciaran: All it does is alias cvs to 'cvs -q', but I find it a bitch to work in /etc/ without it.
14:02	ElectricElf	Ciaran: K.
14:02	SupaDongzu	use a .cvsrc
14:02	SupaDongzu	instead of aliasing
14:02	ElectricElf	SupaDongzu: I don't like -q elsewhere.
14:02	SupaDongzu	ah
14:03	Ciaran	Heh. I love the way Dot TK are only serving ads to IE users. (tongue-in-cheek)
14:03	Ciaran	See http://banners.dot.tk/bmcbanner?fldpromonr=1&fldbannernr=0&flddomainnr=3386037 to see what I mean.
14:03	Ciaran	In my browser, it comes up with the source.
14:04	Ciaran	Since the Content-Type is set wrong.
14:04	ElectricElf	Ciaran: Hah
14:04	Ciaran	But IE will always render it as proper HTML, because it's silly and ignores the Content-Type.
14:04	ElectricElf	Yeah, I see.
14:04	ElectricElf	text/plain at that.
14:04	Ciaran	Right.
14:04	ElectricElf	Does IE support xhtml yet?
14:05	ElectricElf	(Or, better yet, xml/xsl)
14:05	Ciaran	As far as I know, XHTML has been supported for some time.
14:05	ElectricElf	Yeah, I realised after I'd said it that it's supported it for a while.
14:05	Ciaran	And with the appropriate DTD and HTML display, XML can be used.
14:06	ElectricElf	It's really the lack of support for application/xhtml+xml that pisses me off.
14:06	Ciaran	If you point it to a raw XML file, it just displays the contents in such a way that you can open/close the tags.
14:06	ElectricElf	Ciaran: Okay, cool. I'll take a cloer look next time somebody brings that up.
14:06	ElectricElf	Bah
14:07	Ciaran	I'm really not too familiar with XML.
14:07	Ciaran	It does that for data XML files, I know that much.
14:07	ElectricElf	Nor am I, but I get complaints about it often enough.
14:08	ElectricElf	People uploading .xhtml, and IE not being able to display it because the mimetype for such is application/xhtml+xml
14:08	Ciaran	You know, things like that always amuse me because it highlights an inconsistency in IE.
14:09	ElectricElf	Yeah, but such is to be expected.
14:09	Ciaran	I mean, it displays files as HTML even when the Content-Type isn't text/html, and then it doesn't properly go and display Content-Types which it doesn't understand.
14:09	Ciaran	...wait. That made no sense.
14:09	ElectricElf	I've a great deal of respect for people who can write good, tasteful, even moderately complex pages that render perfectly across browsers.
14:09	Ciaran	ElectricElf: http://www.cssxengarden.com/ seems to work on most every browser I've tried.
14:10	ElectricElf	But that's secondary to the respect I have for people who can actually wade through the mass that is the current web standards mess and implement parsers for 'em all :)
14:10	Ciaran	That particular site is freakin' amazing.
14:10	ElectricElf	I've seen that before, yeah.
14:10	Ciaran	And, hey.
14:10	Ciaran	I meant http://www.csszengarden.com/ .
14:10	Ciaran	Darn phonetics ;p
14:10	ElectricElf	There we go, thanks.
14:10	ElectricElf	Was just googling.
14:11	ElectricElf	Ciaran: Are you familiar with www.oswd.org?
14:11	ElectricElf	There's ... a LOT of crap there.
14:11	ElectricElf	But some of it is pretty good.
14:12	Ciaran	EE: No, I hadn't come across it before.
14:13	ElectricElf	Ciaran: It's a pretty decent resource too.
14:14	Ciaran	Looks like it.
14:15	Ciaran	If I wanted to use a design, are there any terms anywhere I need to agree to or is it a case of download, hack and go?
14:17	ElectricElf	Ciaran: I'm pretty sure they're all under quite liberal licenses, but check the site docs.
14:18	ElectricElf	Ciaran: It's changed a fair bit since when I used it (the site), but when I last read the license(s), they were basically "don't remove copyright notice, just add to it" (which is the only legal thing to do, anyways, unless they assign copyright to you), otherwise "have fun and enjoy"
14:20	ElectricElf	Oh.
14:20	ElectricElf	Ciaran: #oswd is here on OFTC, as well.
14:20	ElectricElf	Heh. Yay OFTC.
14:21	Ciaran	:D
14:21	Ciaran	Hey. Someone has a sense of humour about Mozilla's name change...
14:21	Ciaran	http://www.cosmicat.com/software/firesomething/
14:21	ElectricElf	Oh, good. :)
14:21	ElectricElf	Hah
14:21	ElectricElf	Not bad :)
14:22	Ciaran	I found it from http://www.neilturner.me.uk/2004/Feb/14/mozilla_spacelizard.html .
14:27	Ciaran	By the way, EE...
14:27	Ciaran	You might be interested in this tool I made recently - http://theblob.org/desklinks/
14:28	Ciaran	Then again, if you use Mozilla, you may not. :D
14:28	Ciaran	Not be interested, I mean.
14:28	ElectricElf	Hehe
14:28	ElectricElf	Ciaran: Galeon, actually.
14:29	Ciaran	Hey, I use Galeon too.
14:29	ElectricElf	Ciaran: I don't use a search toolber, but I do use aliases.
14:29	ElectricElf	Ah, good good!
14:29	ElectricElf	Ciaran: Did you use it in the 1.2.x days?
14:29	Ciaran	EE: I guess you've never heard of Smart Bookmarks. :D
14:29	ElectricElf	Ciaran: Yeah, that's what I use for aliases ;)
14:29	Ciaran	Yeah, I did. When I went up to 2.x, it looked like a load of options had gone missing.
14:29	ElectricElf	Yeah, they had.
14:29	Ciaran	I'm still trying to figure out where they went, actually.
14:30	ElectricElf	It seems to have really improved lately.
14:30	ElectricElf	Ciaran: gconf-editor exposes most of 'em.
14:30	ElectricElf	Ciaran: Some of them are still missing, but none of the ones I care about.
14:30	Ciaran	Oh. Er... wait. Maybe I didn't upgrade, although I was sure I had. The About box says I'm using Galeon 1.3.9.
14:30	Ciaran	Hmm.
14:31	ElectricElf	Ciaran: 1.3.x is the new series.
14:31	ElectricElf	Ciaran: The GNOME2 one.
14:31	Ciaran	Ahhh. Gotcha. So 2.x only exists in my head.
14:31	Ciaran