TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2004:02:12

---	Log	opened Thu Feb 12 00:00:23 2004
---	Day	changed Thu Feb 12 2004
00:00	mattcowger	ok :)
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00:00	schweeb	very good estimate
00:00	schweeb	I think that's how caker gets his data
00:00	schweeb	except on the bridge side
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00:01	mattcowger	got it
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00:01	blahrus	what was the backup util that is alot like rsync but not and has a windows client . . . . started with a u?
00:01	chris`	hrm, as far as UML hosting goes, is it possible to rebuild your own kernel for your UML system?
00:01	schweeb	chris`: no, you can't get a custom kernel for linode
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00:02	schweeb	that's for sure a security risk, as you could put something in the kernel to allow you to escape onto the host system
00:02	blahrus	never mind found it,unison
00:03	mikegrb	chris`: though if you have a specific need you can talk to caker about it
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00:10	chris`	Good to know
00:11	blahrus	anyone here used unison before?
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00:14	chris`	schweeb / mikegrb: Host kernels are patched / kept up to date regularly I assume?
00:15	mikegrb	yes
00:15	mikegrb	and the host has pretty much nothing running on it
00:16	mikegrb	just ssh and the umls and cron
00:16	mikegrb	maybe ntpd too, that sort of thing
00:16	blahrus	when is Chris going to be done with the 2.6 . . . he said yet? or are the hosts already running 2.6?
00:16	schweeb	no host or guest 2.6's yet
00:17	blahrus	cool
00:17	blahrus	g2g
00:17	blahrus	later
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00:17	schweeb	sounds like he wants to start goign host 2.6 soon
00:17	chris`	I'm sharing a linode with some friends currently, just thinking about getting a personal one instead
00:22	@caker	hey
00:23	mikegrb	hey
00:23	chris`	^
00:24		* mikegrb kisses firefox 0.8
00:24		* chris` still has fire* .7
00:25	mikegrb	I just upgraded this evening, very nice
00:25	chris`	I didn't see much difference at work but I forgot to purge my configs
00:25	chris`	I assume that had something to do with it
00:25	mikegrb	I saved my configs
00:26	mikegrb	It's amazingly noticable on my 850mhz/128mb laptop
00:26	schweeb	I'll wait till deb has it in apt
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00:27	mikegrb	heh
00:27	mikegrb	my laptop's distro has it :)
00:28	schweeb	omg Gentoo on a mobile processor ;_;
00:28	mikegrb	heh
00:28	mikegrb	yup
00:28	schweeb	I have the skills to build my own package, but don't have the motivation, or the need
00:29	mikegrb	heh
00:29	mikegrb	that would be my problem
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00:29	@inkblot	Q-O aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! my eye! it stings! it stings!
00:29	schweeb	plus I can harass ElectricElf or a few other people about building packages
00:30	@inkblot	oh, i mean
00:30	@inkblot	hello
00:30	schweeb	if I ran into probs
00:30	ElectricElf	schweeb: Just Use Sid :)
00:30	schweeb	lol
00:30		* mikegrb uses schweeb
00:30	schweeb	ElectricElf: I do!
00:30		* ElectricElf starts a campaign :)
00:30	ElectricElf	schweeb: Good good :)
00:30	@inkblot	http://www.backports.org/ <-- beaujolais
00:30	schweeb	ElectricElf: but it's still got X4.2!!!
00:30	mikegrb	ElectricElf: what are debian kernel packages like?
00:30	schweeb	ElectricElf: MURDER BRANDEN
00:30	@inkblot	woody + backports.org = :D
00:30	ElectricElf	inkblot: God help us all. :)
00:30	ElectricElf	mikegrb: The binary packages are reasonable good, I feel.
00:31	ElectricElf	mikegrb: I use them in a few places.
00:31	schweeb	inkblot: woody? even wiht backports that's ancient
00:31	ElectricElf	mikegrb: I very much dislike the source they're built from though - they're too far-patched to be useful to me.
00:31	@inkblot	[inkblot@dorothy:~]$ cat /etc/debian_version
00:31	@inkblot	3.0
00:31	ElectricElf	mikegrb: (Obviously I'm only going to bother with my own if I need to patch it.)
00:31	schweeb	<3 make-kpkg
00:31	mikegrb	ElectricElf: hmmm
00:32	ElectricElf	inkblot: I've always done my own backports, actually. I've only maintained one machine which had a backports.org backport installed (spamassassin), and it was relatively pain-free.
00:32	ElectricElf	inkblot: (Not perfect, but not bad either.)
00:32	mikegrb	ElectricElf: is it dificult to compile your own kernel "the right way"
00:32	ElectricElf	mikegrb: Have you ever compiled your own kernel?
00:32	@inkblot	[inkblot@dorothy:~]$ grep backports /etc/apt/sources.list
00:32	@inkblot	deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable bittorrent bogofilter chkrootkit mailman ucf
00:32	mikegrb	ElectricElf: yes
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00:32	ElectricElf	mikegrb: Do you have a .config you know works?
00:32	schweeb	if I didn't have make-kpkg, I wouldn't have been as involved in following 2.6 development
00:32	mikegrb	ElectricElf: I'm just curious if debian has some crazy way to do it 'properly'
00:32	mikegrb	ElectricElf: yes
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00:33	ElectricElf	schweeb: Indeed, and excellent tool.
00:33	ElectricElf	mikegrb: Then it's trivial. Copy the .config to the source tree, then 'fakeroot make-kpkg --revision 0.1 kernel_image'
00:33	@inkblot	mikegrb, the official debs are made using make-kpkg
00:33	chris`	hrm, I don't see a firefox build with xft
00:33	ElectricElf	mikegrb: That'll dump a deb in ../, just install and go.
00:33	schweeb	just need to figure out how to get it to make it add correct grub entries
00:33	mikegrb	ElectricElf: that's not bad then
00:33	@inkblot	fakeroot is such a cool hack
00:33	schweeb	mikegrb: I have an archive of like 110M of make-kpkg images I've done
00:34	ElectricElf	mikegrb: (Other interesting options: --append-to-version and '--added-modules <comma-seperated names from /usr/src/modules> modules_image')
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00:34	mikegrb	ElectricElf: thanks for the info, I think my laptop will be debianified this weekend
00:34	mikegrb	I need to install debian on this desktop with no os too
00:34	schweeb	we have a convert!
00:34	schweeb	yay
00:34	mikegrb	heh
00:34	mikegrb	:)
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00:34	ElectricElf	mikegrb: I find it very nice. An improvement over doing it manually. I've even got the following in /etc/kernel-img.conf. If you use grub as your bootloader, your menu.lst gets updated for free and you don't need to fiddle around with anything after installation:
00:35	ElectricElf	postinst_hook=/sbin/update-grub
00:35	ElectricElf	postrm_hook=/sbin/update-grub
00:35	schweeb	debian - kicking ass then asking questions, 24x7 365
00:35		* chris` is currently using debian on 4 archs
00:35	mattcowger	anyone know which port for gentoo had dig, host, nslookup, etc
00:35	schweeb	chris`: good work
00:35	@inkblot	[inkblot@sausage:~]$ grep mobile /proc/cpuinfo
00:35	@inkblot	model name : mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1400+ Processor
00:35	@inkblot	[inkblot@sausage:~]$ cat /etc/debian_version
00:35	@inkblot	testing/unstable
00:35	@inkblot	^-- teh rool
00:35	@inkblot	except that testing sucks a lot more than it used to
00:36	schweeb	ElectricElf: hrm, never used update-grub
00:36	mikegrb	ElectricElf: one of my favorite differinces with apt is getting questions for configing packages
00:36	schweeb	inkblot: testing SUCKS
00:36	ElectricElf	schweeb: I wrote large portions of it :)
00:36	@inkblot	schweeb, a lot more than it used to
00:36	mattcowger	anyone know which port for gentoo had dig, host, nslookup, etc
00:36	ElectricElf	schweeb: Or at least I did originally - might have been rewritten in large parts since then.
00:36	mikegrb	mattcowger: bind-tools or something like that
00:36	schweeb	testing has all the disadvantages of sid, with all the aged software problems that woody has
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00:36	chris`	Getting deb on this network boot mips box was interesting
00:37	ElectricElf	schweeb: And two more on its own - traumatic upgrades every now and then, in addition to no security uploads.
00:37	@inkblot	schweeb, testing used to be nearly as up-to-date as sid until the developers started ignoring it
00:37	schweeb	ElectricElf: damn man, you're too busy with that stuff ;)
00:37	ElectricElf	schweeb: That was a year or two ago - never touched it again, as it did everything I needed it to do :)
00:37	ElectricElf	schweeb: A fair bit of stuff was added thereafter.
00:38	schweeb	god. I dunno how those zealots in #debian@freenode can continue recommending testing to people
00:38	schweeb	and will verbally assault you for using sid.
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00:38	schweeb	wonder if mwilson's still at it
00:39	ElectricElf	schweeb: When was the last time you saw either of those things? I smack people down whenever I see it.
00:39	@inkblot	i use testing on a lot of machines
00:39		* mikegrb gives schweeb inkblot chris` and ElectricElf a cookie
00:39	ElectricElf	schweeb: (And it isn't just them, a LOT of people do it.)
00:39	@inkblot	but i certainly don't recommend it
00:39	@inkblot	k, bedtime
00:39	@inkblot	later hobes
00:39	mikegrb	nn inkblot
00:39	schweeb	ElectricElf: I haven't been in there in months
00:40	chris`	mwilson can be amusing
00:40	schweeb	at least 2 months, probably 3
00:40	schweeb	amusingly stupid.
00:40	ElectricElf	schweeb: Excellent. :)
00:40	ElectricElf	schweeb: Hey, stop putting the place down, makes me irritated :)
00:40	schweeb	lol
00:40	ElectricElf	schweeb: If you think it's that bad, go in and help out ;)
00:40	chris`	I'm always in #debian, just don't feel like speaking during cluebie hour
00:41	chris`	Not sure which hour that is though
00:41	schweeb	ElectricElf: *sigh8 /me adds another IRC network to his list
00:41	ElectricElf	schweeb: Hehe :)
00:41	schweeb	I'm gonna have to add another virtual desktop to enlightenment
00:41	ElectricElf	schweeb: You could just hang in OFTC's #debian.
00:41	schweeb	for all my IRC windows
00:41	schweeb	I do.
00:42		* mikegrb adds schweeb to his irc network
00:42	ElectricElf	schweeb: Okay.
00:42	schweeb	I was afraid to join at first ;)
00:42	ElectricElf	schweeb: If you help out there, I'll try not to get irritated when you're down on the other one :)
00:42	ElectricElf	schweeb: (Having earned the right and all that :)
00:42	schweeb	see!
00:43	schweeb	I try to help where I can. think my IRCing at work has begun to wear on my boss ;)
00:43	ElectricElf	Hehe :)
00:43	mikegrb	ElectricElf: he has helped me in there :)
00:43	schweeb	that I have
00:44	schweeb	ElectricElf: plus anything @freenode is too high activity for me. pages scroll by before I have the chance to look back
00:44	mikegrb	sometimes here too :/
00:44	ElectricElf	schweeb: Hehe
00:45	schweeb	mikegrb: yea, when k3rnel's harassing that poor bot
00:45	ElectricElf	schweeb: If you ever want to learn how to type fast (on a bad day I go at 100WPM), hold several conversations at once in #debian.
00:45	mikegrb	heh
00:45	mikegrb	ElectricElf: as well as other channels?/
00:45	mikegrb	heh
00:45	mikegrb	that makes stuff confusing
00:45	mikegrb	I hurt my head
00:46	schweeb	ElectricElf: I've gotten to the point where I was a consistant 140WPM, but this laptop teaches me bad habits and slows me down
00:46	schweeb	I'm 80WPM if anything now
00:46	ElectricElf	schweeb: 140? That's good.
00:47	schweeb	that was about 2 years ago, senior yr HS. since then I'm way slower
00:48	schweeb	k3rnel and ElfStone make me feel wizened and old :/
00:50	ElectricElf	schweeb: ElfStone?
00:50	%sighup	i heard ElfStone was an amazingly incompetant troll
00:50	schweeb	lol
00:50	schweeb	gg sighup
00:51	schweeb	ElectricElf: a youngster in the channel. ~16. it shows. the "elf" part threw me off when I first saw him, knowing you
00:51	ElectricElf	schweeb: Yeah.
00:52	ElectricElf	schweeb: I misread what you said, thought you were saying he was old. :)
00:52	ElectricElf	schweeb: (I knew him to be otherwise, at least by his own word.)
00:52	schweeb	lol
00:53	schweeb	he causing mayhem all across oftc?
01:03	ElectricElf	schweeb: Wouldn't go that far :)
01:22	Sh8d0w	just annoying ppl all across oftc
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02:52	@	guinea-sleep \| :<
03:00		* caker-he -j DROPs evil remote addr
03:01	ElectricElf	caker-he: Are you capable of filtering that IP addresses' packets before it hits HE's gateway?
03:01	ElectricElf	caker-he: (I was under the impression it was coming from outside)
03:02	@caker	ElectricElf: it is, .. I could ACL it on the switch, but for now, trying iptables inside my uml
03:02	ElectricElf	Oh, I see what you mean, sure.
03:03	ElectricElf	That's be interesting though, if it's the packet's interaction with Linux's stack that's causing the problem.
03:03	ElectricElf	Like we really need another security issue :)
03:03	@caker	a hah
03:03	@caker	that IP is flooding to .255's
03:04	ElectricElf	Sounds nefarious.
03:04	@caker	not really flooding, .. slow rate -- 1/pps
03:05	ElectricElf	caker: Broadcasting then :)
03:05		* ElectricElf sighs
03:05	ElectricElf	The Debian New Maintainer process has gotten a lot harder since I last did it.
03:05	ElectricElf	It's like a bloody entrance exam now, I've written at least 2500 words.
03:06	@	guinea-sleep \| heh yeah
03:07	@caker	Why would I see this: 64.62.246.106.62050 > 64.71.157.38.135
03:07	@caker	for two IPs that aren't in my routed blocks
03:07	@caker	Looks like a 64.62.. netmask problem
03:07	ElectricElf	caker: What are your routed blocks?
03:08	@caker	64.62.190.0-255 and 66.220.1.0-255
03:08	ElectricElf	Curious.
03:08		* ElectricElf scrolls up to the previous tcpdump
03:11	ElectricElf	Those are weird sequence numbers too.
03:15	@caker	yeah
03:20		* ElectricElf would need to poke about to do any real detectivework :)
03:23	@caker	03:04:58.226978 64.62.246.106 > 216.218.158.82: ESP(spi=0x34e81141,seq=0x25)
03:23	ElectricElf	Now isn't that interesting?
03:24	@caker	even if this was spoofed, you can't spoof the dest
03:24	@caker	right??
03:24	ElectricElf	caker: That's AH, not ESP
03:24	@caker	I mean, I shouldn't be getting that traffic
03:24	ElectricElf	caker: No, you shouldn't be getting this traffic.
03:25	ElectricElf	caker: And yeah, you can't spoof the destination.
03:25	ElectricElf	caker: (Sorry, misunderstood what you were asking - thought the IPSECness of the packet was relevant to the question :)
03:37	ElfStone	sighup linode avail
03:37	%sighup	Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 12] [Linode 96: 8] [Linode 128: 3] [Linode 192: 7] [Linode 256: 7]
03:37	ElfStone	caker still have all those 192 and 256s
03:39	@caker	ElfStone: yeah, a few ...
03:39	ElectricElf	caker: How long does it take you to get a new host online if you're running low?
03:39	ElfStone	how many did you start off with again?
03:40	@caker	6 or 7 on one, and there's 1 or 2 open on the other host
03:40	ElfStone	ah cool cool
03:42	@caker	well .. 64.62.246.106 is history .. I just ebtable'd them off on hosts 9-16 ... we'll see if that corrects any of the drops
03:43	caker-he	still here
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04:26	@caker	ElfStone: I can turn them around in about 5 days, from ordering to online, but in the past I've taken my time
04:26	ElfStone	ElectricElf asked
04:26	ElfStone	not me
04:26	@caker	wrong Elf<tab>
04:26	ElectricElf	No probs. :)
04:26	ElfStone	HHE
04:26	ElfStone	hehe
04:27	ElfStone	its okay
04:27	ElfStone	people were mixing me up with ElectricElf for the first couple of days i was here
04:30	adamg	so I take it the he problem still hasnt been fixed then
04:31	ElfStone	caker do you have a sla with he?
04:31	@caker	well, there's some curious traffic hitting the switch
04:31	@caker	ElfStone: I'd have to check what their % uptime is
04:32	ElfStone	ah
04:32		* caker waits for lamEfudd to drop .. or not
04:34	ElfStone	caker i am trying to research A. Phillip Randolph
04:34	ElfStone	have you heard of him/her before?
04:34	@caker	ElfStone: no idea
04:34	@caker	why?
04:34	ElfStone	US Gov Project
04:34	ElfStone	on Black History Month
04:34	ElfStone	due within the next 2 weeks
04:34	ElfStone	but i want to get it done
04:35	@caker	google-->select all->download
04:36	ElfStone	lol i am useing a database thru my school
04:36	ElfStone	was useing
04:36	@caker	bah .. google holds the one truth
04:37	ElfStone	lol
04:38	ElfStone	caker know what teh problem was
04:38	ElfStone	?
04:38	@caker	ElfStone: maybe ..
04:39	ElfStone	my teacher misspelled the name
04:39	ElfStone	2 l's
04:39	ElfStone	she put 2 L's when there was only one
04:39	adamg	which is\was caker
04:42	@caker	That we're receiving traffic, specifically from 64.62.246.106, to IPs within the two blocks and also to IPs outside my range...
04:42	@caker	so that's the first issue
04:43	@caker	Perhaps since the src machine is 64.62.x.x, it might be a routing issue ..
04:43	@caker	64.62.246.106 is an HE ip
04:43	@caker	secondly, whatever traffic that machine is sending might be the disconnection culprit
04:44	@caker	which would be unusual, but there's a correlation with traf from that IP and the disconnects
04:45	@caker	So, to test, I'm dropping packets from 64.62.246.106 on the HE boxes
04:45	ElfStone	caker one of the reasons i suggested a router
04:45	ElfStone	for stuff like that
04:46	@caker	I believe I can do that already on the switch
04:46	ElfStone	hrm
04:46	ElfStone	i do not know
04:46	ElfStone	never messed with a managed switch
04:47	ElfStone	]or manageable
04:47	ElfStone	if you want to use proper terms
04:49	ElfStone	well see yall later
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05:31	shakr	does anyone know of a reliable commerical internet fax gateway service? - for clients replacing their landline/dialup with broadband and cell only
05:33	adamg	i use a fax gateway in the uk, a commercial company that runs fax to email and email to fax, but you could look at something like VoIP
05:34	shakr	voip, i believe, would be way overkill. the fax <--> email thing is more of what's needed
05:34	shakr	i guess my question would be better stated as, "can anyone recommend...."
05:35	shakr	i've found a few - efax.com looks o.k.
05:36	shakr	adamg: what does that service run you monthly and for what volume? or is it generally charged per use?
05:37	adamg	the fax to email is 25 ukp per year
05:37	adamg	and the email to fax is PAYG
05:37	adamg	fax to email to 20 ukp not 25
05:38	shakr	make sense
05:38	shakr	makes sense, even
05:38	adamg	mail to fax is 10 ukp setup and then 5p per page uk, 10p per page europe and USA, 50p per page ROW
05:39	shakr	1p is 1/100 ukp?
05:39	adamg	yes
05:40	adamg	sighup change .1 gbp to usd
05:40	%sighup	adamg: .1 British Pound makes 0.19 U.S. Dollar
05:40	shakr	are you allowed to email out .doc, .pdf, etc? any specific client software to install?
05:40	adamg	so one page to anywhere in the US would be .19 cents
05:40	adamg	it is all done via email
05:40	adamg	you can attach some attachments cant remeber which ones
05:41	adamg	I dont use the mail to fax that often
05:43	shakr	and obviously you receive a .gif or similar on inbound?
05:43	adamg	tiff
05:47	adamg	I think you can attach .doc and .pdf out bound and possibly some others
06:01	shakr	thanks for the info. ureach.com is looking attractive as far as US based i-fax services go
06:52	mikegrb	I used ureach once upon a time, about 4-5 years ago
06:52	mikegrb	they were brand new then
06:52	mikegrb	never used them for faxes though :/
07:07		* chris` yawns
07:07	chris`	Either you guys are in a much different timezone or you never sleep
07:07		* chris` goes to get ready for work
07:12	mikegrb	or both
07:15		* adamg is in a different timezone
07:15	adamg	but saying that Idont tend to sleep either
07:15	adamg	apart from last night that is
07:16		* adamg just spend a small fortune :-(
08:11	mikegrb	:<
08:22	mikegrb	8================================D
08:27	adamg	now we know you are exagurating
08:31	mikegrb	:<
08:32	mikegrb	sighup: uptime
08:32	%sighup	08:32:04 up 32 days, 8:56, 5 users, load average: 0.18, 0.37, 0.32
08:32	mikegrb	see
08:32	mikegrb	no exageration bish
08:38	-!-	Irssi: #linode: Total of 36 nicks 3 ops, 1 halfops, 0 voices, 32 normal
08:56	adamg	1:56pm up 64 day(s), 19:12, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.15, 0.14
08:57	mikegrb	we don't care about that
08:57	mikegrb	let's see updike!
09:02	adamg	2:02pm up 72 day(s), 14:53, 1 user, load average: 0.29, 0.23, 0.25
09:03	mikegrb	no
09:03	mikegrb	updike!
09:04	dsp	8:49AM up 496 days, 14:32, 1 user, load averages: 0.24, 0.38, 0.37
09:04		* dsp smiles
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09:04	blahrus	morning
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10:56	SupaDongzu	8=======================================================================D
10:57	SupaDongzu	my updike is strong
10:57		* mikegrb cuts SupaDongzu's updike off
10:57	mikegrb	pwahaha
10:57	SupaDongzu	:<
10:57	schweeb	o_O
10:59	theblah	hahah
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11:00	blahrus	finaly people wake up
11:03	mikegrb	anyone play with pathalizer?
11:03	mikegrb	it's pretty spiffy http://thegrebs.com/admin/pathalizer/access_log.gif
11:06	blahrus	i don't even want to see what some of my sites look like on that thing
11:08	mikegrb	heh
11:09	blahrus	mikegrb: where you the one here that told me about unison backup util
11:14	mikegrb	I don't think so
11:15	blahrus	ok never mind then, just knew it was someone here
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11:54	mikegrb	caker: you around?
11:59	eurozip	any one know how to make konsole use a Xdefaults file?
12:00	eurozip	need to map - on the keypad to pf4 and such for vt220 on an AIX system
12:00	eurozip	xmodmap will do it, but then I have that for the entire Xsession, not just the konsole session
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12:30	adamg	hi gomxgom
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12:48	genxweb	anyone here good with slackware
12:49	genxweb	root@rootmybox:/var/log# /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd start
12:49	genxweb	/usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started
12:49	genxweb	root@rootmybox:/var/log#
12:49	genxweb	I changed my machine name in the HOSTNAME file restarted the box and edited the /etc/apache/httpd.conf ServerName line with the correct name. I now get the error
12:49	dmp	and what do the apache logs say?
12:49	genxweb	above
12:49	genxweb	not sure where the apche logs are on slack
12:49	dmp	/var/log/apache?
12:49	genxweb	i tried /var/logs
12:50	genxweb	I will check but did not see a apache dir there
12:50		* dmp shrugs
12:50	genxweb	ok
12:50	genxweb	I think ifigure it out
12:51	genxweb	while I am here is thee any scripts that I can use or do i need to make my own to do a weekly updatre of slackware packages to keep the box secure as possible
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13:10	mikegrb	:)
13:10	SupaDongzu	only one reply
13:10	SupaDongzu	most distressing
13:10	mikegrb	from yourself?
13:11	schweeb	wtf is "updike"
13:11	mikegrb	I've don'e some irssi scripts
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13:11	SupaDongzu	no
13:11	SupaDongzu	from guine
13:11	mikegrb	not any that did ctcp stuff
13:11	mikegrb	when I get around to it all make a quick one for that
13:11	SupaDongzu	http://zork.net/wiki/Updike
13:11	mikegrb	just a matter of looking up signal name
13:11	mikegrb	or going there
13:11	mikegrb	:p
13:11	SupaDongzu	heh
13:11	SupaDongzu	there are scripts there
13:11	SupaDongzu	for irssi and epic
13:12	SupaDongzu	including CTCP DONGS support
13:13	mikegrb	'export uptime to IRC using common uptime interchange format'
13:13	mikegrb	pwahaha
13:15	SupaDongzu	welcome to mackertosh!
13:15	%sighup	(DONGS)
13:15	SupaDongzu	:D
13:15	mikegrb	"_
13:15	mikegrb	er :)
13:15	SupaDongzu	you poeple have made me the happiest troll alive
13:17		* adamg looks for a dns server to use
13:19	mikegrb	I think I'm going to apply that 2.6 kernel patch
13:19		* mcowger recommends zoneedit
13:19	SupaDongzu	:D
13:19	SupaDongzu	it would rock if you applied the patch in linode's UML kernels
13:20	SupaDongzu	although I think sneakums mentioned some problems with that
13:21	mikegrb	I asked caker about it
13:21	mikegrb	he thought I was kidding... I wasn't ;)
13:21	SupaDongzu	haha
13:22	adamg	which 2.6 patch
13:22	mikegrb	for updike
13:22	SupaDongzu	http://zork.net/wiki/Updike <-- that one
13:22	mikegrb	there is a 2.4 one too
13:22	SupaDongzu	yes
13:22	SupaDongzu	there is.
13:23	mikegrb	I had seen the 2.4 before
13:23	mikegrb	but was using 2.6
13:23	mikegrb	now that I see the 2.6 one, I'm all over that shiznit
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13:29	SupaDongzu	515/tcp open printer
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13:51		* jax is away: demo
13:59	mcowger	grrr! the default gentoo install is pretty silly, with SO MANY use flags enabled...WHO NEEDS ALSA and X by default on a linode?
14:01	adamg	then change the flags and re-emerge any packages that dont need them
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14:13	mcowger	i know, but its just silly to have all those ther by default
14:25	@caker	hello
14:25	%sighup	hi, caker.
14:26	@caker	Hi sighup
14:26	%sighup	salut, caker.
14:26	@caker	No disconnects!
14:26		* caker points to lamEfudd and caker-he
14:26	adamg	so whos fault was it then
14:27	@caker	HE letting traffic in that wasn't mine, and then whatever traffic it was receiving did something strange .. still waiting on another response from HE, but I just sent them a nasty gram
14:28	@caker	telling them to move it (cc'ed to everyone I know at HE :)
14:28	schweeb	hah
14:29	schweeb	so it was that AH/ESP traffic or whatever it was?
14:29	@caker	no totally random traffic, all zero byte packets, some of it would eventually get around to hitting IPs in our block, and that
14:29	@caker	is when it would cause the connections to drop
14:30	@caker	... something else is at work here, I'm def. thinking routing problem at HE
14:30	@caker	strange that blocking that traffic would solve the disconnects, if it was a routing issue ..
14:31	adamg	it is possible that your connection was been flooded and thus stopping other packets getting though in a timely manner
14:31	@caker	It wsa only a few packets/sec
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14:54	sinned	caker what kind of packets were they
14:54	sinned	tcp? icmp?
14:55	@caker	mostkly ACKs what whatnot
14:55	sinned	strange
14:55	@caker	very
14:55	@caker	you haven't disconnected yet :)
14:55	sinned	nope : )
14:55		* caker does a little dance
14:56	@caker	stupid sinned
14:56		* sinned goes home
14:56	@caker	er sighup
14:56	@caker	he just pm'ed me a little dance
14:56	%sighup	:D\-<
14:56	%sighup	:D\|-<
14:56	%sighup	:D/-<
14:56	schweeb	haha
14:56	schweeb	sighup: dance
14:56	%sighup	:D\-<
14:56	%sighup	:D\|-<
14:56	%sighup	:D/-<
14:56	schweeb	rofl
15:05	mcowger	i dont know if any of you are into car audio at all, but:
15:05	mcowger	http://www.focaljet.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB32&Number=931243&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=2&fpart=1
15:07	@caker	What the!
15:07	@caker	how big is that sub?
15:10	mcowger	looks like a good 36"
15:10	@caker	I didn't know they made them that large
15:10	mcowger	maybe more like 32
15:10	mcowger	i didnt either
15:10	mcowger	probably a custom job
15:10	@caker	<-- audio engineering guy
15:13	mcowger	the biggest one i can find on Clarion's site is 15"
15:13	@caker	I've seen 18" subs ..
15:13	@caker	that's the largest I've seen ..
15:13	mcowger	ive seen those too, but the pic had clarion written on the sub
15:14	@caker	update Handing a partial victory to Internet phone providers, federal regulators said Thursday that voice communications flowing entirely over the Internet are not subject to traditional government regulations.
15:14	mcowger	could be a fake though.
15:14	mcowger	yeah, too bad vonage sucks the big one
15:14	@caker	"This is in no way different than e-mail and other peer-to-peer applications blossoming on the Internet," FCC Chairman Michael Powell said
15:14	@caker	you think? I just started playing with Vonage last week
15:15	mcowger	yeah, i had serious problems with them, unrelated to my own bandwidth.
15:15	@caker	hrm
15:15	mcowger	1) Poor quality..they need to up the bit rate
15:15	mcowger	2) Required use of the ATA186, a POS hardware
15:15	@caker	Every time I pick up my telephone, I get the pulsing dial-tone like I'm making a 3-way call
15:15	mcowger	3) No SIP support
15:15	@caker	hmm
15:15	mcowger	the stutter tones indiocates you have a VM
15:15	@caker	ahh
15:15		* caker didn't read the manual
15:16		* mcowger wants to find a decent provider that uses SIP so he can run asterisk
15:16	@caker	I wanted to mess with asterisk too
15:17	@caker	hmm.. can't log into vonage
15:17	mcowger	in the end, it was too much $$ to justify the cost, I just went back to only having a cell phone
15:18	mcowger	that and they sold my phone #
15:18	@caker	heh
15:18	mcowger	to a telemarketer within 2 days of my having it
15:19	mcowger	now I just get charged through the nose by Verizon :(
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15:21	Darkone	is anyone here ?
15:21	mcowger	yeah
15:22	Darkone	Is it possible to get bind to work as two dif ns servers on one linode?
15:22	Darkone	if the 3 ip's r bound to virtual interface's
15:22	Darkone	?
15:22	mcowger	caker, any reason why my node feels WICKED slow all the time...compiling takes at least 3 times as long as it did the last place I was at....
15:22	@caker	Darkone: Yes, just have named listen on both interfaces
15:22	mcowger	Darkone, yeah, just bind the instances to the different BIND servers
15:22	mcowger	or what caker said will work too
15:22	Darkone	caker
15:23	@caker	mcowger: you came from another UML provider, right?
15:23	Darkone	but then aint that kinda unreliable though ? :p
15:23	mcowger	caker, from a FreeBSD jail provider
15:23	@caker	Darkone: Yes, that's why they suggest running it on two difference boxes
15:23	schweeb	mcowger: you can always find someone that uses something else, adn use asterisk as a SIP -> * gateway
15:23	Darkone	ye I suppose
15:23	mcowger	Darkone, yes, having you NS on 1 server is unreliable, but ou asked how to do it :)
15:23	@caker	mcowger: UML has additional overhead, so compiling and whatnot won't go as fast as on a native box (or a jail'ed machine)
15:23	Darkone	ye I know mcowger ;-)
15:24	mcowger	anything I can do to speed up compiles?
15:25	mcowger	it took me like 30 minutes to compile apache!
15:27	@caker	mcowger: just the usual .. ccache or whatever, maybe
15:27	mcowger	ok.
15:32	mcowger	i will admit that it IS nice to be able to run 'top', etc...didn't have that with the jails...though I miss ports system very much....emerge just isnt to the same level
15:32	Darkone	apt-get is your friend
15:33	@caker	no doubt :)
15:37	mcowger	apt-get isn't even CLOSE to ports...and besides, I have gentoo
15:37		* schweeb twitches
15:37	dmp	heh
15:37	dmp	I was about to say something like that
15:37	dmp	If compiling is slow, AVOID IT
15:37	dmp	;)
15:38	schweeb	indeed
15:38	schweeb	source based OS on server = dumb.
15:38	mcowger	:), yes, but theres no other way to get exactly the options I want
15:38	schweeb	sigh
15:39	schweeb	I've gone over this before. rebuilding packages is quite easy in debian.
15:39	schweeb	apt-get source <blah>
15:39	mcowger	yes, rebuilding=compiling, so we are the same place!
15:39	schweeb	edit debian/rules to add other compile options
15:39	dmp	in all fairness, schweeb, that wouldn't be any faster
15:39	Darkone	dpkg-buildpackage
15:39	Darkone	:p
15:39	dmp	BUT you would any compile the few packages you have weird requirements for
15:39	dmp	not everything from gcc up
15:39	schweeb	dmp: faster than compiling the whole OS
15:39	schweeb	which is what I was getting at.
15:40	mcowger	but imnot compiling the whole OS, just apache, etc.
15:40	schweeb	optimizations and extra compile options are only useful in applications that actually would benefit from them (which is why I'm anti-gentoo biased)
15:40	mcowger	anyways, can you point me to a really good apt-get utuorial, maybe even one that compares how you would do things in ports to hwo you do it in apt?
15:41	mcowger	my compile usually aren't for performance, but for removing options I dont want.
15:41	schweeb	mcowger: debian.org has quite a few references on the subject
15:41	schweeb	start with the Debian Reference, and the FAQ, and move out from there
15:42	schweeb	but debian's stuff is generally compiled with most of the options you'll ever need, it's just split into multiple packages
15:43	Darkone	arg
15:43	Darkone	how can I move a file from one server to my linode without using ftp / http etc ?
15:43	schweeb	scp, or ask inkblot about rsync over ssh
15:43	mcowger	my lord...i dont need to read a giganto manual...271 pages, good luck!
15:43	Darkone	schweeb
15:43	Darkone	scp is the better bet
15:43	schweeb	that's what the find function is for mcowger
15:44	Darkone	but I never used it before, so maybe could u tell me the syntax ?
15:44	schweeb	same syntax as cp pretty much
15:44	schweeb	scp localfile user@remotehost:/path/
15:44	Darkone	well
15:44	mcowger	scp filehere username@remotehost:/remotepath
15:45	Darkone	and what about the password ?
15:45	schweeb	or you can scp user@remotehost:/path/file .
15:45	schweeb	it asks you
15:45	Darkone	ohhhh
15:45	schweeb	or if you have RSA keys set, it'll use those
15:48	mcowger	ok, off to go read Chapter 6 of the debian reference: 'Debian Package Management'
15:50	@caker	schweeb: good job :)
15:50	schweeb	caker: hrm? on the package management?
15:50		* caker nods
15:50	@caker	another convert (maybe) :)
15:50	schweeb	ah.
15:50	schweeb	hehe
15:50	schweeb	debian is godly for administration
15:51	@caker	How's your colo box been behaving?
15:51	schweeb	quite nicely the last few days
15:51	schweeb	I'm still concerned at why PAM crapped out
15:54	@	guinea-sleep \| it did?
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15:58	schweeb	guinea-pig: only temporarily
15:58	schweeb	a reboot fixed it
15:58	schweeb	I wasn't there do debug
15:59	@guinea-pig	a reboot isn't a fix. it's a workaround!
15:59	schweeb	inetd, pam, sshd, and smtp weren't able to do any lookups in pam.conf from what my logs told me
16:00	schweeb	therefore couldn't do any authentication
16:00	@guinea-pig	did you upgrade anything?
16:03	schweeb	there were no PAM upgrades
16:03	schweeb	I could have upgraded something else related to it, b ut I don't recall doing so
16:03	@guinea-pig	glibc? :P
16:03	@guinea-pig	i'm not sure how other distros handle library upgrades
16:04	ElectricElf	schweeb: This Debian?
16:04	schweeb	ya, ElectricElf
16:04	@guinea-pig	but after upgrading in debian, stuff that's still using the old libs shows up as using libfoo-1.2.3.so.dpkg-new in lsof
16:05	@guinea-pig	so i like to lsof \| grep dpkg and restart stuff myself, whether or not it needs to be restarted
16:05	schweeb	I'll grab my logs later if you are interested ElectricElf ;)
16:05	ElectricElf	schweeb: Hmm, it'd be pretty tough to get the system in that state via simple package system manipulations - at least, you'd know about it.
16:05	ElectricElf	schweeb: By all means :)
16:05	schweeb	ElectricElf: that's what my experiences too
16:06	ElectricElf	schweeb: Is there anything notable about the system? Standard woody or sid? woody with external package repos like backports.org? sid with experimental?
16:06	schweeb	sid
16:06	schweeb	standard
16:06	schweeb	off blade's XFS netinst
16:07	ElectricElf	Nothing terribly unusual there then.
16:07	@guinea-pig	mmmm blade
16:07	schweeb	make-kpkg'd 2.6.1-skas3 kernel
16:07	ElectricElf	Aaaaah
16:07	@guinea-pig	ElectricElf: why "woody or sid" ? what happened to sarge?
16:07	ElectricElf	schweeb: /etc on XFS?
16:07	schweeb	yes
16:07	schweeb	never had probs before
16:07	ElectricElf	guinea-pig: Testing is not suitable for use by any but the most skilled people ... and even then, they better have a lot of time on their hands :)
16:07	schweeb	ever
16:07	ElectricElf	schweeb: Ever used SKAS before? :)
16:08	@guinea-pig	heh
16:08	ElectricElf