| --- | Log | opened Sat Feb 07 00:00:19 2004 |
| --- | Day | changed Sat Feb 07 2004 |
| 00:00 | schweeb | /usr/share/docs is usually a good place to start |
| 00:00 | schweeb | or squirrelmail.org |
| 00:00 | You_Wish | both are open now for 2 days |
| 00:01 | You_Wish | docs suck |
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| 00:13 | You_Wish | see chmod -R 777 attachments data |
| 00:13 | You_Wish | chmod: failed to get attributes of `data': No such file or directory |
| 00:15 | --- | ---> bendy [~bendy24@66.48.23.112] has joined #linode |
| 00:15 | bendy | ping mikegrb |
| 00:16 | @mikegrb | pong bish |
| 00:16 | bendy | you ready for bzflag? |
| 00:16 | @mikegrb | nah |
| 00:16 | bendy | cmon |
| 00:16 | @mikegrb | busy setting up new server |
| 00:16 | bendy | you know you want to |
| 00:16 | bendy | bah |
| 00:17 | @mikegrb | bendy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075534823 <- buy me that |
| 00:17 | bendy | busy working the wifes ass |
| 00:17 | heidi | no |
| 00:17 | bendy | mikegrb:? |
| 00:17 | schweeb | quiet, you'll anger heidi |
| 00:17 | bendy | a managed hub? |
| 00:17 | bendy | wuffor? |
| 00:17 | @mikegrb | bendy: home |
| 00:18 | bendy | youneed that many ports? |
| 00:18 | @mikegrb | more ports anyway |
| 00:18 | @mikegrb | using.... 9ish right now |
| 00:18 | bendy | not bad |
| 00:19 | schweeb | hey |
| 00:19 | schweeb | I have one of those |
| 00:19 | schweeb | 10mbit |
| 00:19 | @mikegrb | heh |
| 00:19 | bendy | a switch? |
| 00:19 | bendy | or a hub |
| 00:19 | @mikegrb | I want a managed switch if possible |
| 00:19 | @mikegrb | to play with :) |
| 00:19 | schweeb | vlans, mmmmm |
| 00:19 | @mikegrb | though the box that I'm going to install as a firewall I may just put a bunch of nics in |
| 00:19 | @mikegrb | as many as it will hold |
| 00:20 | bendy | yeah |
| 00:20 | bendy | later |
| 00:20 | bendy | gonna play bzflag |
| 00:20 | schweeb | I might buy an xbox for a firewall |
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| 00:21 | schweeb | either that or get one of those Linksys Router/AP's with the Linux firmware |
| 00:21 | schweeb | oh,nice |
| 00:21 | schweeb | my caps lock key got confused for a minute there.... |
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| 00:36 | --- | Channel: mode/#linode [-b *!*joshua@2001:618:4fd::*] by inkblot |
| 00:37 | ElfStone | ... |
| 00:38 | schweeb | inkblot: get bored? |
| 00:38 | NickSerb | heh |
| 00:38 | NickSerb | I've seen this before |
| 00:39 | schweeb | cats playing with their prey? |
| 00:39 | NickSerb | schweeb: it's automated |
| 00:39 | schweeb | (note the correct use of their) |
| 00:39 | NickSerb | haha |
| 00:39 | schweeb | NickSerb: ah, tempban? |
| 00:39 | NickSerb | the fun part is watching the person subject to inkblot's quota system try and figure out the heuristic |
| 00:39 | NickSerb | not quite |
| 00:39 | ElfStone | no he did it himself |
| 00:39 | ElfStone | he set the ban |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | hahahaha |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | yes |
| 00:40 | ElfStone | he had to unset it |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | automatically |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | and it was automatically unset |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | keep talking, elfstone |
| 00:40 | @mikegrb | roflmao |
| 00:40 | schweeb | you are an idiot, ElfStone |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | tell us a story |
| 00:40 | ElfStone | he did not autoban it |
| 00:40 | ElfStone | if he did |
| 00:40 | schweeb | you can set your client to do shit for you |
| 00:40 | ElfStone | i would of been kicked |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | no |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | ban != kickban |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | but please |
| 00:40 | NickSerb | keep talking |
| 00:40 | ElfStone | NickSerb most clients who do autoban does kick also |
| 00:41 | schweeb | quit arguing. |
| 00:41 | @mikegrb | hahah |
| 00:41 | @mikegrb | not a real client |
| 00:41 | NickSerb | no really |
| 00:41 | NickSerb | keep arguing |
| 00:41 | | * schweeb starts swearing and shaking his head |
| 00:41 | NickSerb | ElfStone: he wrote this one himself |
| 00:42 | NickSerb | hmmm, he must have set the threshold quite high for ElfStone |
| 00:42 | ElfStone | NickSerb he said he set the ban himself |
| 00:43 | NickSerb | perhaps |
| 00:43 | NickSerb | but I'll bet you're in his list |
| 00:44 | NickSerb | try and paste something |
| 00:44 | ElfStone | no |
| 00:44 | NickSerb | ha ha |
| 00:48 | schweeb | omg I have another fan |
| 00:48 | schweeb | <3 heidi |
| 00:50 | heidi | heh |
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| 00:55 | jeffml | How long does it normally take for a response to a support ticket? |
| 00:56 | schweeb | whenever caker gets to it |
| 00:59 | jeffml | it was sort of a yes or no question but it was sent around the time of the linode.com website outage which makes me wonder if he even saw it |
| 00:59 | jeffml | yesterday, he posted to the forums that he responds to tickets within minutes and was always on call for them |
| 01:00 | schweeb | he's pretty good about it |
| 01:00 | schweeb | but the man's gotta eat and sleep |
| 01:00 | jeffml | screw that |
| 01:01 | jeffml | :P |
| 01:02 | jeffml | it's been 3 days, i'll give it a couple more and see. |
| 01:03 | @mikegrb | heh |
| 01:07 | schweeb | I think I've crashed vim. |
| 01:09 | @mikegrb | call the insurance company |
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| 04:16 | Darkone | morning everyone |
| 04:28 | wap | Morning |
| 04:41 | Darkone | hmmmm |
| 04:41 | Darkone | has anyone setup exim+mysql+qpopper here ? on debian ? |
| 05:15 | adamg | morning all |
| 05:22 | adamg | sighup seen mikegrb |
| 05:22 | sighup | mikegrb was last seen on #linode 4 hours, 13 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: call the insurance company [1076134149] |
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| 06:39 | adamg | yay another gcc update on gentoo |
| 06:39 | adamg | that is sure gonna slow down some hosts when people start to update that! |
| 06:40 | adamg | mikegrb: when you appear I need to speak to you |
| 07:18 | k3rnel | ive got a 30day free trial of VPS ^_^ |
| 08:25 | --- | ---> adamgent [~root@adhaero.hat-technologies.ltd.uk] has joined #linode |
| 08:28 | k3rnel | adamgent: ur logged in as root.... lol |
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| 08:56 | k3rnel | can i boot multiple Linodes with seperate IP's at the same time? |
| 08:56 | k3rnel | or do i have to order extra ips |
| 08:58 | k3rnel | (08:58:33) —› found (3) clone(s) in #linode on OFTC |
| 08:58 | k3rnel | (08:58:33) —› (8%) of the users in (#linode) are clones |
| 09:00 | k3rnel | boxstats |
| 09:00 | adamg | as long as you have multiple linodes yes |
| 09:01 | k3rnel | ok so i dont need another ip |
| 09:01 | k3rnel | it just assignes another one |
| 09:01 | adamg | but for each linode account you have you can only boot one config profile |
| 09:01 | k3rnel | oic |
| 09:02 | k3rnel | so if i wanted 2 boxes up |
| 09:02 | k3rnel | i would order another ip |
| 09:02 | k3rnel | and create a new Linode |
| 09:02 | adamg | you would have to purchase 2 linode accounts |
| 09:02 | k3rnel | oic |
| 09:02 | k3rnel | so whats a new ip for? |
| 09:02 | | * k3rnel ( NoNameScript 3.8 :: by greeny & mute :: www.nnscript.de ) |
| 09:04 | adamg | for some things you need more than one ip, multiple ssl sites etc |
| 09:05 | k3rnel | k |
| 09:05 | tjfontaine | ftp sites by different names |
| 09:05 | k3rnel | if i had some customers to my site, i would definately get a linode lol. this is awesome |
| 09:07 | k3rnel | boxstats [gfx: NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go (Toshiba)] |
| 09:12 | k3rnel | do you monitor your customers? |
| 09:13 | tjfontaine | can you be more specific in terms of 'monitor'? |
| 09:13 | k3rnel | like, do you log what my customers do? |
| 09:13 | k3rnel | i respect their privacy |
| 09:13 | k3rnel | like email and stuff |
| 09:14 | tjfontaine | well, if you become an open relay that may be an issue |
| 09:14 | k3rnel | open relay? |
| 09:14 | tjfontaine | spam relay |
| 09:14 | k3rnel | oic |
| 09:14 | tjfontaine | if you and your customers folly the TOS you'll be fine |
| 09:14 | k3rnel | should i give them your TOS? |
| 09:14 | tjfontaine | s/folly/follow/ |
| 09:15 | adamg | linode do not log any anything that happens within your linode |
| 09:15 | tjfontaine | well, they are required to follow that TOS, but if you want to add more then you should make an addendum |
| 09:16 | k3rnel | k |
| 09:17 | k3rnel | following your TOS, if i cc an email to 2 people thats considered spam... |
| 09:17 | adamg | no its not |
| 09:17 | adamg | if you where sending them un wanted stuff then yes it could |
| 09:18 | tjfontaine | the issue is where you send massive amounts of spam to many many many people |
| 09:18 | tjfontaine | and potentially get linode ips on blacklists |
| 09:19 | adamg | basically if you follow the T&C and AUP then you will not have a problem |
| 09:21 | adamg | if you or any of your customers break it then you are in trouble |
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| 09:22 | adamg | hi jeffml |
| 09:22 | jeffml | hey |
| 09:24 | adamg | and as for the clones in here I know which ones they are and all are there for legit reasons |
| 09:24 | --- | Channel: mode/#linode [+o tjfontaine] by ChanServ |
| 09:24 | k3rnel | =p |
| 09:25 | --- | Channel: mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine] by ChanServ |
| 09:25 | | * adamg no longer has op prevs |
| 09:25 | tjfontaine | why for? |
| 09:25 | adamg | no idea |
| 09:26 | | * tjfontaine just saw one day he had them :-) |
| 09:26 | adamg | yeah so did I, but today they are gone |
| 09:26 | k3rnel | hmmm |
| 09:27 | k3rnel | wtf tjfontaine.... you said you werent a guy! |
| 09:27 | k3rnel | ;) ;) |
| 09:28 | | * adamg must have missed that comment |
| 09:28 | k3rnel | it was a pm |
| 09:29 | adamg | k |
| 09:29 | k3rnel | j/k |
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| 09:45 | adamg | sighup change 1 gbp to usd |
| 09:45 | sighup | adamg: 1 British Pound makes 1.85 U.S. Dollar |
| 09:45 | adamg | yay it's up |
| 09:45 | adamg | sighup change 1 gbp to aud |
| 09:46 | sighup | adamg: 1 British Pound makes 2.40 Australian Dollar |
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| 10:08 | ElfStone | adamg: new isp? |
| 10:09 | adamg | no |
| 10:09 | ElfStone | hrm |
| 10:09 | ElfStone | they used to have freewebhosting |
| 10:09 | ElfStone | a long time agoi |
| 10:09 | ElfStone | *ago |
| 10:10 | adamg | who did |
| 10:10 | ElfStone | F2S |
| 10:10 | ElfStone | your isp |
| 10:11 | adamg | I thought they where only a uk company |
| 10:11 | ElfStone | maybe 2-3 years |
| 10:11 | ElfStone | webhosting |
| 10:11 | ElfStone | i didn't think webhosting is set to one section of the world |
| 10:13 | adamg | in thought the only webhosting they did was for people who had net access accounts with them |
| 10:13 | ElfStone | Oh |
| 10:13 | ElfStone | i am not sure |
| 10:14 | ElfStone | but i remember they used to be a big free webhoster |
| 10:17 | ElfStone | used to have a site called daiga that they hosted |
| 10:17 | adamg | k |
| 10:17 | ElfStone | they still have the same logo |
| 10:18 | ElfStone | but lol they offer paid hosting and adsl |
| 10:20 | ElfStone | but i use 1and1 atm |
| 10:22 | adamg | for what |
| 10:23 | ElfStone | webhosting |
| 10:23 | ElfStone | untill i get my linode |
| 10:23 | ElfStone | *until |
| 10:23 | adamg | oh right so you are going to get one then |
| 10:23 | ElfStone | i never said i wasn't going to |
| 10:24 | ElfStone | if i wasn't i would not be in here |
| 10:24 | adamg | there are some people in here who do not have a linode |
| 10:25 | adamg | sighup linode forums |
| 10:25 | sighup | adamg: General Discussion: /dev/random not being seeded; Sales Questions and Answers: A few, no, several questions...; Sendmail and Email Related Forum: Sendmail/postfix inoperability; Sendmail and Email Related Forum: Cyrus-imap and account passwords; General Discussion: help keeping gentoo small |
| 10:26 | ElfStone | i know but with all the troblue that happens i would be crazy to stay here unless i plan to get a linode |
| 10:31 | adamg | right |
| 10:32 | ElfStone | have you ever used invisionboard? |
| 10:33 | adamg | no, I have heard of it though |
| 10:33 | ElfStone | what messageboard software do you prefer? |
| 10:34 | adamg | phpbb or vbullitin |
| 10:34 | adamg | sp? |
| 10:34 | ElfStone | ah okay |
| 10:34 | ElfStone | sp?? |
| 10:34 | adamg | phpbb is free and probably the most popular of the free ones |
| 10:34 | ElfStone | ah |
| 10:35 | ElfStone | InvisionBoard is free also |
| 10:35 | ElfStone | in a sense anyways |
| 10:35 | adamg | vBulletin is expensive but probably one of the best ones out there |
| 10:35 | ElfStone | they say they will never require you to pay |
| 10:35 | adamg | it all depends on what load they are going to have |
| 10:35 | ElfStone | well |
| 10:36 | ElfStone | the makers of invisionboard |
| 10:36 | ElfStone | were the makers of ikonboard |
| 10:36 | ElfStone | they have an hosting bussiness and software devlopeing |
| 10:37 | ElfStone | and they have linceses for there board software |
| 10:37 | ElfStone | for no copyright also chat built in |
| 10:37 | adamg | right and.. |
| 10:38 | ElfStone | and offical support |
| 10:38 | ElfStone | but they have a Unlimited Free Version |
| 10:40 | ElfStone | i don't know i just like it. |
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| 10:42 | Darkone | is anyone here? |
| 10:42 | Darkone | i.e caker or mikegrb |
| 10:42 | adamg | not seen caker yet and mikegrb is probably a sleep |
| 10:43 | adamg | someone else might be able to help you |
| 10:45 | Darkone | who has istalled qmail with mysql here ? |
| 10:45 | Darkone | or exim |
| 10:45 | adamg | only courier |
| 10:45 | adamg | although I should be playing with qmail and exim in a week or two |
| 10:46 | adamg | I dont find the qmail site of much use |
| 10:46 | ElfStone | this sucks |
| 10:46 | adamg | it seems to be very confusing |
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| 10:47 | ElfStone | adamg: the webhost who does my ircnetwork's website |
| 10:47 | ElfStone | it is up |
| 10:47 | ElfStone | but refuseing connections on the cpanel and whm |
| 10:48 | ElfStone | this ruines anything i was suppose to do with it today |
| 10:48 | adamg | so email them and ask why |
| 10:48 | ElfStone | lol |
| 10:49 | ElfStone | i would but my e-mail is on there servers |
| 10:49 | adamg | phone? |
| 10:50 | ElfStone | none listed |
| 10:50 | --- | Channel: mode/#linode [+b *!*joshua*:6@*] by inkblot |
| 10:50 | ElfStone | excuse me? |
| 10:51 | adamg | and the reason for that ban was for what |
| 10:51 | ElfStone | i don't know |
| 10:52 | adamg | I never understand why people use there email address supplied by there web host as there web host contact email address |
| 10:52 | ElfStone | i do not get one from my isp |
| 10:52 | adamg | yeah but there are many other places to get email addresses |
| 10:53 | ElfStone | my prim. e-mail is down because the software they use is messed up |
| 10:53 | ElfStone | something is wrong with kerbos or something like that |
| 10:58 | ElfStone | bbl |
| 11:02 | @inkblot | hmmm |
| 11:02 | @inkblot | looks like a bug |
| 11:02 | @inkblot | i guess it doesn't handle ipv6 hostmasks very well |
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| 11:30 | --- | Channel: mode/#linode [-b *!*joshua*:6@*] by inkblot |
| 11:30 | rekcah | please help me |
| 11:30 | rekcah | Can anyone help me ? |
| 11:30 | tjfontaine | please ask a question |
| 11:31 | rekcah | I set my firewall |
| 11:31 | rekcah | And now I cant even connect to my server |
| 11:31 | rekcah | Can anyone shut it down? |
| 11:31 | tjfontaine | connect via lish |
| 11:31 | rekcah | How to? |
| 11:31 | tjfontaine | ssh <linode name>@host<number>.linode.com |
| 11:32 | rekcah | what is linode name? |
| 11:32 | tjfontaine | your user name you login to linode.com/members as |
| 11:33 | tjfontaine | <number> is your the number your host is on |
| 11:34 | rekcah | like this minhkhai@li4-162.linode.com |
| 11:34 | rekcah | right? |
| 11:34 | tjfontaine | no |
| 11:34 | tjfontaine | like minhkhai@host15.linode.com |
| 11:35 | rekcah | and password is my root password or my account password? |
| 11:36 | adamg | your account password |
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| 11:36 | rekcah | is <host15> correct number? |
| 11:36 | adamg | if that is your hsot |
| 11:36 | tjfontaine | I think it might be, but check on http://linode.com/members |
| 11:37 | rekcah | how to check it on members section? |
| 11:38 | adamg | login and click on ssh and remote console at the bottom of the page |
| 11:39 | adamg | use Business::CreditCard; |
| 11:39 | adamg | opps wrong window |
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| 11:41 | adamg | follow the instructions under the remote console bit |
| 11:41 | rekcah | I connected and it stop at "starting sendmail:" |
| 11:41 | rekcah | how to solve it? |
| 11:42 | adamg | wait for it to timeout |
| 11:42 | adamg | it will do eventually |
| 11:42 | adamg | your iptables are probably stopping it listening on a port |
| 11:42 | rekcah | yes :( |
| 11:43 | rekcah | I use webmin to configure my iptable |
| 11:43 | rekcah | I set it to stop access from 1 IP |
| 11:43 | rekcah | but I dont know why even I cant connect to it |
| 11:44 | tjfontaine | iptables --flush |
| 11:44 | adamg | not much help if he cant connect to the console |
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| 11:45 | tjfontaine | hmm |
| 11:45 | rekcah | I installed alot of software in my server. I really dont want to format it 1 more time :(( |
| 11:46 | adamg | sendmail should timeout and you should be able to get to the console |
| 11:46 | rekcah | Yes, It time out now |
| 11:47 | rekcah | And it is "starting sm-client" |
| 11:47 | adamg | you will just have to wait till you can get to the console, it might take a while |
| 11:53 | rekcah | ok. I got root access now. I typed iptables --flush |
| 11:53 | rekcah | but i'm still not be able to connect to webmin :( |
| 11:54 | Darkone | *sigh* |
| 11:56 | rekcah | please, Anyone answer me? |
| 11:57 | adamg | and now restart |
| 11:57 | Darkone | with ? |
| 11:58 | adamg | or start webmin |
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| 12:16 | Darkone | so I still take it nobody knows how to get qmail/exim + mysql working :( |
| 12:18 | adamg | have you tried to find a howto on the web? |
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| 12:19 | rekcah | I restarted my server |
| 12:19 | rekcah | And everything is the same |
| 12:19 | rekcah | No change was made |
| 12:19 | rekcah | :(( |
| 12:19 | rekcah | can anyone help me to solve it :( |
| 12:20 | rekcah | now I cant even connect to Lish. It gives me 1 message "there is no screen to be resumed match <my account name> |
| 12:23 | rekcah | is there anybody here ? |
| 12:23 | adamg | that means it hasnt booted properly |
| 12:25 | rekcah | ok |
| 12:25 | rekcah | Now I can access it |
| 12:25 | rekcah | but how to remove my firewall |
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| 12:25 | rekcah | Because I already type iptables --fulsh |
| 12:26 | rekcah | flush |
| 12:26 | rekcah | but no change was made |
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| 12:34 | adamg | bbiab |
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| 13:00 | --- | User: *** k3|bbltrbl is now known as k3rnel |
| 13:01 | @inkblot | keep it to yourself |
| 13:02 | k3rnel | sry, just messing with my script... |
| 13:03 | k3rnel | hey do you know a program to invert the colors on movies? my avi player is playing it inverted |
| 13:04 | @inkblot | looks like you found one |
| 13:29 | k3rnel | found what |
| 13:30 | @inkblot | a program that will invert the colors in movies |
| 13:31 | k3rnel | i need it un-inverted |
| 13:31 | NickSerb | ha ha |
| 13:31 | k3rnel | lol |
| 13:31 | k3rnel | it plays it inverted, without any other software |
| 13:31 | @inkblot | well in that case i think want you *really* want is to fix your avi player |
| 13:31 | k3rnel | i tried it with several other players |
| 13:31 | k3rnel | its my GFX drivers i think |
| 13:32 | @inkblot | well then fix those |
| 13:32 | k3rnel | i did |
| 13:32 | @inkblot | apparently not |
| 13:32 | k3rnel | w/e |
| 13:32 | @inkblot | you too, sweetie |
| 13:32 | k3rnel | Okay... |
| 13:33 | k3rnel | When I install my OS on Linode, does it come with all the latest security patches? Or do I have to install all of them myself? |
| 13:34 | @inkblot | the image that is used is a fixed image created by caker |
| 13:34 | @inkblot | i don't know how often he recreates them |
| 13:34 | @inkblot | particularly since there are several of them |
| 13:34 | k3rnel | ok |
| 13:34 | k3rnel | caker: Are you here? |
| 13:34 | @inkblot | i would recommend bringing it fully up to date yourself |
| 13:35 | k3rnel | Ok. |
| 13:37 | k3rnel | I see on the Debian website all you do is issue an apt command. |
| 13:38 | @inkblot | that is correct |
| 13:38 | @inkblot | specifically, |
| 13:38 | @inkblot | apt-get update |
| 13:38 | @inkblot | apt-get upgrade |
| 13:38 | schweeb | <3 apt |
| 13:38 | @inkblot | or if you prefer, |
| 13:38 | @inkblot | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:38 | @inkblot | (personally, i use dist-upgrade) |
| 13:39 | @inkblot | "update" will fetch new package lists and rebuild the local database of available packages |
| 13:39 | @inkblot | "upgrade" will fetch and install updated packages so long as doing so does not create conflicts |
| 13:40 | @inkblot | "dist-upgrade" will fetch and install updated packages and attempt to resolve conflicts by removing packages and/or installing replacements |
| 13:40 | @inkblot | there are other apt-get commands, as well |
| 13:40 | @inkblot | but those are the ones for updating |
| 13:41 | k3rnel | Okay, so I will just run that |
| 13:41 | k3rnel | THanks |
| 13:41 | k3rnel | So I dont specify any directory? |
| 13:41 | k3rnel | just: |
| 13:42 | k3rnel | [ hostname ]# apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:42 | schweeb | right |
| 13:42 | k3rnel | That's pretty simple. |
| 13:42 | schweeb | don't dist-upgrade generally |
| 13:42 | k3rnel | Should I add that to cron? |
| 13:42 | schweeb | inkblot: don't try to hurt the new users |
| 13:42 | schweeb | k3rnel: no |
| 13:42 | k3rnel | lol |
| 13:42 | k3rnel | i have never used debian |
| 13:43 | schweeb | you /could/ have it download the files for you, if you like |
| 13:43 | k3rnel | what if my users install a vuln. program |
| 13:43 | schweeb | your users can't install programs via apt |
| 13:43 | schweeb | just like every other distro |
| 13:43 | k3rnel | like, on the internet |
| 13:43 | schweeb | users can't install rpms on RH, etc... |
| 13:43 | k3rnel | if they download an old naim or something |
| 13:43 | k3rnel | like |
| 13:43 | k3rnel | tar -zxf name.tgz |
| 13:43 | k3rnel | configure |
| 13:43 | k3rnel | make |
| 13:44 | k3rnel | and its vuln |
| 13:44 | k3rnel | will that command upgrade it? |
| 13:44 | schweeb | no.... |
| 13:44 | k3rnel | So, I just let them get 0wned? |
| 13:44 | schweeb | that would be impossible |
| 13:44 | schweeb | yes |
| 13:44 | k3rnel | okay lol |
| 13:44 | schweeb | pwned for being idiots |
| 13:45 | k3rnel | yeah... |
| 13:45 | k3rnel | lol |
| 13:45 | schweeb | the reason you don't want to dist-upgrade or put it in cron is that, sometimes packages that are installed by dist-upgrade are missing dependencies and stuff |
| 13:45 | k3rnel | 7 second lag |
| 13:45 | k3rnel | my internet is going so slow |
| 13:46 | k3rnel | ahh |
| 13:46 | schweeb | and apt-get asks for input sometimes when you're upgrading |
| 13:46 | k3rnel | so it would screw it all up |
| 13:46 | k3rnel | oic |
| 13:46 | k3rnel | what about an answer file? |
| 13:46 | schweeb | how would you know what to answer? |
| 13:46 | schweeb | it's package dependant |
| 13:46 | k3rnel | oh |
| 13:46 | k3rnel | i thought it was like, do you want to instal all these: y/n |
| 13:48 | schweeb | it does that too |
| 13:48 | schweeb | but there's also debconf screens |
| 13:48 | schweeb | like "do you want to overwrite this config file" |
| 13:48 | schweeb | and it's not always a good idea to overwrite it |
| 13:48 | k3rnel | ok |
| 13:49 | k3rnel | so i run that maybe once a month, |
| 13:49 | schweeb | yea |
| 13:50 | schweeb | or when there's a known vulerability |
| 13:50 | k3rnel | why dont i just hand-patch it? |
| 13:50 | k3rnel | or will it do extra stuff |
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| 13:52 | k3rnel | okay a final question... what system do you suggest i register? i am just a starting shell company. |
| 13:53 | k3rnel | but im limited on funds until i get off the ground |
| 13:53 | schweeb | just shells? |
| 13:53 | k3rnel | yes. |
| 13:53 | schweeb | is there any money in that? |
| 13:53 | k3rnel | yeah |
| 13:53 | k3rnel | i would be paying, say 20/month |
| 13:54 | k3rnel | then i charge people 7/month for a shell |
| 13:54 | schweeb | hell, I've never had a problem getting shells for free |
| 13:54 | k3rnel | and i could have 200 ysers |
| 13:54 | k3rnel | users* |
| 13:54 | schweeb | 13:54 < schweeb> hell, I've never had a problem getting shells for free |
| 13:54 | schweeb | doh |
| 13:54 | schweeb | sorry bout that |
| 13:54 | k3rnel | :P |
| 13:54 | schweeb | stupid mouse keeps losing sync |
| 13:54 | | * schweeb stabs psmouse.ko |
| 13:55 | k3rnel | yeah, but most of the free shells limit you. |
| 13:55 | k3rnel | and some dont allow storing of exploits |
| 13:55 | k3rnel | which i wont be doing. |
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| 13:55 | k3rnel | lol |
| 13:55 | noobie-exim | *sob* |
| 13:55 | noobie-exim | :< |
| 13:56 | schweeb | k3rnel: heh, I have shells on like 16 boxes right now |
| 13:56 | k3rnel | wtf..... |
| 13:56 | k3rnel | i have 4 |
| 13:56 | k3rnel | you have 16???? |
| 13:56 | schweeb | not that hard to accumulate |
| 13:56 | k3rnel | why would you want 16 shells |
| 13:56 | k3rnel | i could easily get 10, but most of them would be horrible quality |
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| 13:57 | schweeb | I can do as I like on mine |
| 13:57 | schweeb | I know all the admins |
| 13:57 | k3rnel | oic |
| 13:57 | k3rnel | the average business man doesnt know admins =p |
| 13:57 | @inkblot | yeah, man |
| 13:57 | schweeb | <--- admin |
| 13:58 | @inkblot | shells really aren't worth money |
| 13:58 | @inkblot | i have.... |
| 13:58 | @inkblot | um |
| 13:58 | @inkblot | >20? |
| 13:58 | @inkblot | maybe |
| 13:58 | k3rnel | woah lol |
| 13:58 | schweeb | wouldn't doubt it, inkblot, not at all |
| 13:58 | k3rnel | i am selling the cheapest pay shells, |
| 13:58 | k3rnel | but they are not limited at all except a quota |
| 13:58 | | * inkblot shakes his head |
| 13:58 | @inkblot | whatever |
| 13:58 | @inkblot | ha ha |
| 13:58 | @inkblot | i have *no quotas* |
| 13:59 | k3rnel | : |
| 13:59 | schweeb | indeed |
| 13:59 | k3rnel | :O |
| 13:59 | @inkblot | actually, my school shell and isp shell have |
| 13:59 | @inkblot | but none of the others |
| 13:59 | schweeb | I have a 50MB quota at school... that's the ONLY account I have with a quote |
| 13:59 | schweeb | er quota |
| 13:59 | k3rnel | what school u go to? |
| 13:59 | k3rnel | is it a college |
| 13:59 | schweeb | ja |
| 13:59 | k3rnel | kewl |
| 13:59 | @inkblot | well, i just dropped out, so i guess i'm losing that one |
| 13:59 | @inkblot | depaul u. |
| 13:59 | k3rnel | do most colleges have shell accounts |
| 14:00 | @inkblot | yes |
| 14:00 | k3rnel | sweet. |
| 14:00 | @inkblot | ... |
| 14:00 | @inkblot | most of them suck |
| 14:00 | k3rnel | :| |
| 14:00 | @inkblot | it's usually some crappy proprietary unix |
| 14:00 | schweeb | *cough* Solaris |
| 14:00 | @inkblot | with all kinds of crap disabled |
| 14:00 | @inkblot | schweeb, worse |
| 14:00 | @inkblot | dpu uses h-pux |
| 14:00 | schweeb | eww |
| 14:00 | k3rnel | i mean, im just doing this shell stuff to create a small community of friends. i dont plan on making too much of a profit |
| 14:00 | schweeb | chsh doesn't work on solaris @_@ |
| 14:01 | k3rnel | if i can make 20/month (like 3 ppl signing up) then i can keep it going |
| 14:01 | schweeb | once Sun gets through sucking Kettering's dick, maybe they'll change to linux |
| 14:01 | k3rnel | lol |
| 14:01 | k3rnel | i just dont know where to advertise |
| 14:02 | k3rnel | i did a free URL submission thing, and i put it on ShellSearch.com (acky.net) |
| 14:02 | schweeb | I'm wondring what type of SSO solution they have, since only like 1/3 of the applications you can log into on the web actually use their SSO solution |
| 14:02 | k3rnel | sso? |
| 14:03 | schweeb | single sign on |
| 14:03 | k3rnel | k |
| 14:03 | @inkblot | schweeb, there used to be a guy at kettering |
| 14:03 | @inkblot | a professor |
| 14:03 | k3rnel | inkblot: where do u suggest i advertise |
| 14:03 | @inkblot | big linux pusher |
| 14:04 | @inkblot | he got me started, basically |
| 14:04 | schweeb | what's his name? |
| 14:04 | @inkblot | last i knew he moved on to SVSU |
| 14:04 | schweeb | ah |
| 14:04 | @inkblot | scott james |
| 14:04 | schweeb | never heard of him |
| 14:04 | k3rnel | Scott D. James |
| 14:04 | @inkblot | i think my only non-linux shell is my dpu shell |
| 14:05 | schweeb | I was about ready to go down there and introduce them to the pleasures of LDAP or postgresql one day |
| 14:05 | @inkblot | and my only non-debian shells are dpu, speakeasy, and pascal.bas.k12.mi.us |
| 14:05 | @inkblot | k3rnel, yes |
| 14:05 | k3rnel | ya |
| 14:05 | @ | guinea-sleep | a big linux pusher got me into linux as well |
| 14:05 | @inkblot | k3rnel, do you know him? |
| 14:05 | @ | guinea-sleep | :P |
| 14:05 | k3rnel | nah google knows him tho |
| 14:05 | k3rnel | ;) |
| 14:05 | @inkblot | ah, i see |
| 14:06 | @inkblot | good |
| 14:06 | @ | guinea-sleep | google knows many people, i'm sure |
| 14:06 | @inkblot | because that would be fucking unbelievable |
| 14:06 | @inkblot | google knows me really well |
| 14:06 | k3rnel | lol |
| 14:06 | k3rnel | how many results |
| 14:06 | @ | guinea-sleep | i knew google the other night |
| 14:06 | k3rnel | i have like 300+ |
| 14:06 | k3rnel | and they are NOT good results :( |
| 14:06 | @inkblot | the first 7 pages are all me |
| 14:07 | k3rnel | all mine r me =p |
| 14:07 | k3rnel | except like 20 |
| 14:07 | @ | guinea-sleep | ever since 9-11, ... there's a kid who died named timothy aaron haviland :< |
| 14:07 | @ | guinea-sleep | so i'm not even on the first page |
| 14:07 | @ | guinea-sleep | anymore |
| 14:07 | k3rnel | oh |
| 14:07 | @inkblot | hurg |
| 14:08 | k3rnel | is kettering medical? |
| 14:08 | @inkblot | http://not.invisible.net/signals/usr/ <-- actually, i have no idea what this is |
| 14:08 | k3rnel | and they offer shells.... |
| 14:08 | k3rnel | what kind of doctor knows linux |
| 14:08 | schweeb | engineering |
| 14:09 | @inkblot | General Motors Institute of Management and Engineering |
| 14:09 | k3rnel | whats the link |
| 14:09 | schweeb | and "doctor" as is completing their "doctorate" degree |
| 14:09 | @inkblot | now known as Kettering University |
| 14:09 | @ | guinea-sleep | Festering University |
| 14:09 | k3rnel | gmi.edu? |
| 14:10 | schweeb | www.kettering.edu |
| 14:10 | k3rnel | k |
| 14:10 | schweeb | gmi.edu works as well |
| 14:10 | k3rnel | k |
| 14:10 | schweeb | inkblot: I do h ave one prof who seems to like linux.. Sheng |
| 14:10 | @inkblot | schweeb, where do they keep the shells? |
| 14:10 | @inkblot | don't know sheng |
| 14:10 | @inkblot | nova? |
| 14:10 | schweeb | polaris.kettering.edu |
| 14:10 | @inkblot | ah |
| 14:10 | @ | guinea-sleep | i keep shells in a shoebox under my bed. |
| 14:10 | schweeb | I think |
| 14:11 | schweeb | maybe nova |
| 14:11 | @inkblot | nova must be faculty shells |
| 14:11 | schweeb | I think they're the same system |
| 14:11 | @inkblot | heh |
| 14:11 | NickSerb | ha ha |
| 14:11 | NickSerb | I was one of the people who pushed guinea-sleep into teh lunix |
| 14:11 | k3rnel | polaris is up |
| 14:11 | k3rnel | lunix? |
| 14:12 | NickSerb | no |
| 14:12 | NickSerb | "teh lunix" |
| 14:12 | @inkblot | [inkblot@goose:~]$ shrike -l nriffe uname -a |
| 14:12 | k3rnel | ok |
| 14:12 | @inkblot | HP-UX students B.11.11 U 9000/800 1104484636 unlimited-user license |
| 14:12 | k3rnel | the linux |
| 14:12 | @inkblot | that's shrike.depaul.edu |
| 14:12 | NickSerb | haw haw |
| 14:12 | @inkblot | I know. |
| 14:12 | NickSerb | wow |
| 14:12 | NickSerb | unlimited users! |
| 14:12 | NickSerb | that must be a VALUABLE LICENSE |
| 14:12 | schweeb | nova{sche8449}3% uname -a |
| 14:12 | schweeb | SunOS nova 5.9 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise |
| 14:12 | @inkblot | yeah, check this out: |
| 14:13 | @inkblot | [inkblot@goose:~]$ shrike -l nriffe wc -l /etc/passwd |
| 14:13 | @inkblot | 30434 /etc/passwd |
| 14:13 | NickSerb | haw haw |
| 14:13 | k3rnel | WTF |
| 14:13 | k3rnel | WOAH |
| 14:13 | @inkblot | i know |
| 14:13 | NickSerb | it's halfway full! |
| 14:13 | @inkblot | muy dongorific |
| 14:13 | k3rnel | holy crap |
| 14:13 | @inkblot | it was over 35K for a while |
| 14:13 | k3rnel | are they running like a 100U cluster? |
| 14:13 | @inkblot | they must have purged a bunch |
| 14:13 | @inkblot | nope, |
| 14:13 | NickSerb | do they even have shadow? |
| 14:13 | @inkblot | just a dual pa-risc |
| 14:13 | @inkblot | hmmm |
| 14:14 | k3rnel | :o |
| 14:14 | NickSerb | ha ha |
| 14:14 | NickSerb | welcome to crax0r |
| 14:14 | @inkblot | ha ha, no shadow |
| 14:14 | k3rnel | ha |
| 14:14 | k3rnel | wtf |
| 14:14 | NickSerb | THEN WE CAN HAVE VALUABLE ACCOUNTS ON TEH PHUX |
| 14:14 | k3rnel | so u have the hashes |
| 14:14 | @inkblot | [nriffe@students:~]$ grep lgarfiel /etc/passwd |
| 14:14 | @inkblot | lgarfiel:*:16443:15163:Laurence O Garfield:/students/g/lgarfiel:/usr/local/bin/tcsh |
| 14:14 | @inkblot | oh |
| 14:14 | @inkblot | i guess they do |
| 14:14 | k3rnel | o |
| 14:14 | NickSerb | yeah |
| 14:14 | NickSerb | shadow |
| 14:14 | @inkblot | it's just not /etc/shadow |
| 14:14 | k3rnel | o |
| 14:14 | NickSerb | or he was illed |
| 14:15 | @inkblot | heh |
| 14:15 | NickSerb | the order of the gold star |
| 14:15 | NickSerb | in closing: ha ha tcsh |
| 14:15 | @inkblot | no, mine's a * too |
| 14:15 | @inkblot | but then again |
| 14:15 | NickSerb | you use a key |
| 14:15 | @inkblot | i'm using rsa uath |
| 14:15 | @inkblot | yeah |
| 14:15 | @inkblot | i'll try from flynn |
| 14:15 | k3rnel | what is a good computer college |
| 14:15 | NickSerb | k3rnel: ??? |
| 14:15 | k3rnel | for programmign |
| 14:15 | @inkblot | MIT |
| 14:15 | schweeb | inkblot: I don't think they use any name services at KU... I think they just nfs share /etc @_@ |
| 14:15 | k3rnel | k |
| 14:15 | NickSerb | MIT |
| 14:16 | @inkblot | ha ha |
| 14:16 | NickSerb | even better |
| 14:16 | k3rnel | i might go there, cuz my parents suggested it |
| 14:16 | NickSerb | you can take the introductory course on-line |
| 14:16 | NickSerb | they have videos |
| 14:16 | k3rnel | for free? |
| 14:16 | schweeb | inkblot: seriously, either that or it's a NAS |
| 14:16 | NickSerb | and the book |
| 14:16 | NickSerb | all up on teh entarweb |
| 14:16 | NickSerb | aye |
| 14:16 | NickSerb | for free |
| 14:16 | @inkblot | that is so dongs |
| 14:16 | NickSerb | creative commons license |
| 14:16 | schweeb | inkblot: their pam.conf is all pam_unix |
| 14:16 | k3rnel | im not even in highschool yet =p |
| 14:16 | @inkblot | NickSerb, i'm in from flynn |
| 14:16 | @inkblot | that's with a password |
| 14:16 | NickSerb | http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ <-- watch 'em |
| 14:16 | @inkblot | so i guess there's a shadow somewhere |
| 14:17 | k3rnel | ty |
| 14:17 | | * inkblot welcomes HP-UX to 1996 |
| 14:17 | k3rnel | holy fuck |
| 14:17 | k3rnel | they are HUUUUGE |
| 14:17 | NickSerb | k3rnel: you may find it good to pick up a copy of The Little Schemer |
| 14:17 | k3rnel | to think i have 56k :( |
| 14:17 | NickSerb | it's like $20 |
| 14:17 | @inkblot | hahahahaha |
| 14:17 | k3rnel | whats that |
| 14:17 | NickSerb | it's a book |
| 14:17 | k3rnel | about...? |
| 14:17 | NickSerb | bright red and yellow cover |
| 14:17 | NickSerb | programming |
| 14:17 | @inkblot | programmerung |
| 14:17 | k3rnel | kewl |
| 14:17 | NickSerb | and the process of computation |
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