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| 01:08 | <mikegrb> | caker: http://globalservers.com/vps_compare.htm |
| 01:08 | <mikegrb> | you win |
| 01:08 | <mikegrb> | they're advertising on slashdot right now |
| 01:08 | <mikegrb> | sighup: linode avail |
| 01:08 | <sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 31] [Linode 96: 7] [Linode 128: 5] [Linode 192: 10] [Linode 256: 10] |
| 01:08 | <mikegrb> | you don't need that sort of advertising though ;) |
| 01:08 | <eadz> | is caker around? |
| 01:09 | <eadz> | mikegrb, you work for linode? |
| 01:09 | <mikegrb> | eadz: hasn't been for a while |
| 01:09 | <mikegrb> | eadz: no, what's your question though? |
| 01:09 | <eadz> | tell sighhup |
| 01:09 | <eadz> | what does that bot do? |
| 01:09 | <eadz> | sighup: linode avail |
| 01:09 | <sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 31] [Linode 96: 7] [Linode 128: 5] [Linode 192: 10] [Linode 256: 10] |
| 01:09 | <schweeb> | why the hell do people still use .htm |
| 01:09 | <schweeb> | every reasonable OS supports long extensions now |
| 01:11 | <schweeb> | wtf |
| 01:11 | <EFudd> | ok |
| 01:11 | <schweeb> | you have to pay $5/mo to get mod_perl? |
| 01:11 | <EFudd> | the amount i paid in fed taxes this year SUCKS |
| 01:12 | <mikegrb> | schweeb: ? |
| 01:12 | <mikegrb> | EFudd: I'm sure |
| 01:12 | <schweeb> | mikegrb: iat that vps link you just posted |
| 01:12 | <EFudd> | it's > avg income here |
| 01:12 | <mikegrb> | EFudd: but due to extremely fsked up pay this year I will have a killer refund |
| 01:12 | <mikegrb> | :) |
| 01:12 | <EFudd> | bleh. |
| 01:12 | <EFudd> | i'm still waiting on a w2 |
| 01:13 | <mikegrb> | if heidi's former employer would just fucking send the damn w2 |
| 01:13 | <EFudd> | 28k in fokin' fed paid out |
| 01:13 | <schweeb> | I'm gettin at least $600 back |
| 01:13 | <mikegrb> | I want to get them done quik |
| 01:13 | <EFudd> | friend of mine just got $11k refund |
| 01:13 | <mikegrb> | heh I'm getting at least 2k back |
| 01:13 | <EFudd> | but he had to write out a 100k irs check earlier in the year |
| 01:13 | <mikegrb> | probably a bit more |
| 01:13 | <SupaDongzu> | ha ha refund |
| 01:13 | <SupaDongzu> | tax refunds mean you've given the IRS an interest-free loan |
| 01:13 | <SupaDongzu> | and thus, you are a fool |
| 01:13 | <mikegrb> | SupaDongzu: indeed |
| 01:13 | <schweeb> | mikegrb: you make probably 8 times what I make :p |
| 01:13 | <mikegrb> | SupaDongzu: but in my case I had no choice |
| 01:14 | <EFudd> | i dunno |
| 01:14 | <EFudd> | i have an extra $100/mo taken out in taxes :P |
| 01:14 | <SupaDongzu> | mikegrb: self-employment taxes? |
| 01:14 | <SupaDongzu> | or just odd pay-scale change? |
| 01:14 | <schweeb> | I only work 6 months out of the year, and make like $10/hr, so I'm under the poverty level |
| 01:15 | <mikegrb> | SupaDongzu: when the dispursing person called and said this is how we are going to fix it .... I said wtf blah blah.... his reply "oh well most people aren't smart enough to know about interest and taxes" me: "and?" |
| 01:15 | <schweeb> | if i were to live on my own that is |
| 01:15 | <mikegrb> | SupaDongzu: military pay messed up |
| 01:15 | <mikegrb> | was paid a large bonus |
| 01:15 | <SupaDongzu> | ah, military |
| 01:15 | <mikegrb> | medicaly disqualified |
| 01:15 | <mikegrb> | they started taking the bonus back and I had to get the JAG lawyer to tell them they couldn't do that |
| 01:15 | <SupaDongzu> | haha |
| 01:15 | <mikegrb> | they had a bit more bonus to take back |
| 01:15 | <SupaDongzu> | wait, disqualified for what? |
| 01:16 | <mikegrb> | said we'll pay you the full bonus again |
| 01:16 | <mikegrb> | leg surgery |
| 01:16 | <SupaDongzu> | ah |
| 01:16 | <mikegrb> | then you write us a check for what you owe on the previous bonus |
| 01:16 | <mikegrb> | mind you the previous bonus was previous year and already had taxes paid on it |
| 01:16 | <SupaDongzu> | yeah |
| 01:16 | <mikegrb> | so we get the money in the bank and ... wtf |
| 01:16 | <mikegrb> | short a few thousand dollars |
| 01:17 | <mikegrb> | they taxed the 2nd bonus at around 60% |
| 01:17 | <mikegrb> | even though no taxes were owed on it |
| 01:17 | <mikegrb> | so in short don't work for the government |
| 01:17 | <mikegrb> | it isn't a good idea |
| 01:17 | <mikegrb> | no matter what anybody else may tell you, regardless of your relation to them |
| 01:18 | * | schweeb had already come to this conclusion before this story |
| 01:18 | <schweeb> | contractors make out pretty good |
| 01:18 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 01:18 | <schweeb> | ever heard of SAIC? |
| 01:19 | <mikegrb> | sounds familiar |
| 01:19 | <schweeb> | lot of .mil contracts |
| 01:19 | <schweeb> | my friend works there, doesn't work anywhere near 40 hrs a week, and gets like 80k+/yr |
| 01:20 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 01:20 | <mikegrb> | the it civilians are all contractors at my command |
| 01:20 | <mikegrb> | they make out pretty good too |
| 01:21 | <schweeb> | he's former Army |
| 01:21 | <schweeb> | so that's how he ended u p gettin into it |
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| 03:19 | mikegrb | have fun |
| 03:21 | @guinea-work | kenya! keyna! come to kenya! |
| 03:23 | mikegrb | hmm |
| 03:23 | mikegrb | no thanks |
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| 05:54 | --- | Channel: mode/#linode [-o adamg] by adamg |
| 07:16 | adamg | afternoon all |
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| 08:00 | You_Wish | morning |
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| 10:20 | blahrus | moring |
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| 10:25 | adamg | hmm I appear to have an apache thread using 465 meg of memory |
| 10:33 | mikegrb | KILL THE BISH |
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| 10:59 | cOW | apache just loves taking memory |
| 11:00 | cOW | i love how it manages to squeeze itself into all your available memory :| |
| 11:00 | blahrus | it likes using it ALL |
| 11:00 | cOW | hehe |
| 11:00 | cOW | there must be a way to tell it to not take as much memory |
| 11:01 | cOW | I tweaked it a bit, but it still takes 50% |
| 11:02 | blahrus | I gave up and let it do whatever it wants |
| 11:04 | blahrus | that seems to work better for me |
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| 11:07 | mikegrb | I'm at around 4% for apache |
| 11:07 | mikegrb | watch the number of worker threads spawned and stuff |
| 11:14 | schweeb | apache2, cOW ? |
| 11:14 | schweeb | I've heard things about certain modes of apache2... you can compile it to act a bunch of different ways |
| 11:14 | schweeb | one way takes a lot of memory iirc |
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| 12:14 | adamg | the apache prob was my fault, had a continous loop |
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| 14:00 | @caker | hello |
| 14:02 | mikegrb | hello |
| 14:03 | mikegrb | do you have multiple linodes per account support planned anytime soon? |
| 14:03 | adamg | lo caker |
| 14:03 | adamg | I hope so, will make my life much easier |
| 14:03 | mikegrb | indeed |
| 14:04 | adamg | but then again you cant have everything |
| 14:04 | mikegrb | heh and new ip's without reboot ;) |
| 14:04 | @caker | Yeah, for starters they'll be a way to link accounts together, and then an easy way to toggle between them once you login |
| 14:04 | mikegrb | ahh |
| 14:04 | adamg | one thing I particularky would like it the ability to move ips between linodes easily |
| 14:05 | @caker | wow |
| 14:05 | mikegrb | that would probably be adiqute to make things a lot easier for a while |
| 14:05 | @caker | that's interesting |
| 14:05 | adamg | and I really can not type today |
| 14:05 | adamg | what is |
| 14:05 | @caker | moving ips around |
| 14:05 | adamg | we had a conversation about that a while back |
| 14:06 | @caker | yeah |
| 14:06 | adamg | make life easy for when spliting up services between linodes |
| 14:08 | adamg | and even better with not having to reboot as well! |
| 14:08 | mikegrb | heheh |
| 14:08 | mikegrb | but no ip with out reboot first :p |
| 14:08 | mikegrb | er |
| 14:08 | mikegrb | you know what I mean |
| 14:09 | dmp | how about adding new filesystems without rebooting? :) |
| 14:09 | mikegrb | how about adding new ram without rebooting? |
| 14:09 | adamg | dmp: I dont think would ever be possible |
| 14:09 | adamg | or that michael_-_ |
| 14:09 | @caker | actually, it is |
| 14:09 | adamg | it is |
| 14:09 | @caker | yup |
| 14:09 | dmp | adamg: well, if the udb<> node was populated right |
| 14:09 | dmp | you could just mount it |
| 14:09 | mikegrb | adamg: gees bish |
| 14:09 | mikegrb | adamg: caker can do anything, he's god f00l |
| 14:09 | adamg | thought it would cause problems with the kernel |
| 14:10 | @caker | you can hotplug ubd devices |
| 14:10 | adamg | can you do it with memory though |
| 14:10 | @caker | not yet |
| 14:11 | adamg | to start with I would settle for IPs |
| 14:12 | | * mikegrb too |
| 14:12 | mikegrb | * dmp three |
| 14:12 | | * dmp needs no more IPs |
| 14:12 | mikegrb | shush you |
| 14:12 | | * adamg is hopping to need a lot more IPs |
| 14:13 | | * dmp uses name-based hosting in apache |
| 14:13 | adamg | so do I |
| 14:14 | mikegrb | so do I |
| 14:14 | dmp | for FTP then? |
| 14:14 | adamg | but there are other reasons for needing other IPs |
| 14:14 | dmp | like? |
| 14:14 | adamg | well you need an ip for each ssl site |
| 14:14 | dmp | that is true |
| 14:14 | adamg | but the reason I want them is for dns |
| 14:15 | dmp | ah, yes that also |
| 14:15 | | * dmp is happy enough when apache works |
| 14:15 | | * mikegrb breaks dmp's apache |
| 14:15 | schweeb | yea, you can add all kinds of devices to UML as it is running |
| 14:16 | | * dmp breaks mikegrb's leg |
| 14:16 | schweeb | ubds, ethernet devices, etc... |
| 14:16 | schweeb | caker: hehe, gotmy 3 UMLs all up and running on the internet finally |
| 14:16 | @caker | cool |
| 14:17 | | * mikegrb gives schweeb a cupcake |
| 14:17 | schweeb | now to start the migration process |
| 14:17 | @caker | use the ifup scripts? |
| 14:17 | schweeb | nope |
| 14:17 | schweeb | I will though |
| 14:17 | schweeb | I'm waiting until the guy I'm renting from is actually at the datacenter |
| 14:18 | schweeb | minimum downtime for when I manage to screw it up |
| 14:18 | mikegrb | heh |
| 14:18 | schweeb | note the "when" |
| 14:18 | mikegrb | aye |
| 14:20 | schweeb | god, people here are bastards. they never tell me in an appropriate amount of time about a new user setup, it's always like 'we need them set up NOW!'. grr. |
| 14:20 | mikegrb | heh |
| 14:28 | adamg | god one place I worked it took six signatures to get a new account added |
| 14:29 | adamg | was fecking stupid |
| 14:30 | schweeb | I'd rather liek that |
| 14:31 | schweeb | it'd force them to schedule them better |
| 14:31 | adamg | it was a good idea but the company only has about 50 employees |
| 14:31 | schweeb | ~110 here |
| 14:32 | adamg | it is one of the many leagacy items from when the company belonged to a larger company |
| 14:32 | schweeb | problem is, we have too many user databases |
| 14:32 | schweeb | I need to yell at the guys that program a couple of the other softwares to auth off LDAP from now on |
| 14:33 | adamg | There was the line manager, personal person, quality control, line managers manager, director |
| 14:34 | adamg | and there was someone else as well |
| 14:34 | schweeb | ugh |
| 14:34 | schweeb | delegation of titles is gay |
| 14:34 | schweeb | President, Vice President, Director of xxx, Manager, Assistant Manager |
| 14:35 | adamg | different in the uk |
| 14:35 | adamg | we dont have president and vp's |
| 14:35 | adamg | top of our tree is Director |
| 14:35 | schweeb | there's like 7 people i n the company that don't have some sort of managerial title (and I'm one of them) |
| 14:35 | adamg | i know the us have a VP for everything |
| 14:36 | schweeb | we have like 5 VP's, one for each department |
| 14:36 | schweeb | sales, it, operations, etc.. |
| 14:38 | schweeb | the best part is that only managers are supposed to put in help tickets, soas to control stupid help requests, but there are so many managers, it doesn't make much difference |
| 14:38 | schweeb | plus most of the managers are dumb as rocks |
| 14:38 | adamg | the joys |
| 14:38 | @caker | schweeb: at previous job, I've had new employees sit for 3 days waiting for a computer that was requested like 3 mo beforehand |
| 14:39 | schweeb | caker: heh, gay. |
| 14:39 | @caker | yup |
| 14:39 | @caker | even worse, is it would happen again, and again, and again |
| 14:39 | schweeb | my job has been on the line the last few days |
| 14:39 | @caker | we were .com'ing, so would have dozens of employees a month |
| 14:39 | schweeb | as I've been being quite rude to the managers, trying to bend them to actually use the system the way it should be used |
| 14:40 | @caker | hmm |
| 14:40 | adamg | your supposed to bend the system |
| 14:40 | adamg | around them |
| 14:40 | @caker | bend the system means go around :) |
| 14:41 | schweeb | my problem is after 3 mo of training them ot do stuff correctly,I leave, and the other interns that are here when I leave don't force them to do it the right way |
| 14:43 | schweeb | the best is when someone quits, I'm not told, and then the person that takes over from them uses THEIR account for the first week |
| 14:44 | @caker | this sounds like my previous company |
| 14:44 | adamg | caker: since it has come up on the forum, have you got any plans to get some support staff |
| 14:46 | @caker | adamg: to start with, yes .. but honestly the support load is very low |
| 14:46 | @caker | When I'm ready for employees, I'll need more of an all-around type |
| 14:46 | tjfontaine | I can whine some to change that :-) |
| 14:46 | @caker | hehe |
| 14:47 | adamg | just wondering |
| 14:48 | tjfontaine | hmm I'll have to put on weight if I want to get hired... so I can be ALL AROUND everything |
| 14:48 | @guinea-work | haha |
| 14:48 | @guinea-work | oh right |
| 14:48 | --- | User: *** guinea-work is now known as guinea-sleep |
| 14:49 | @ | guinea-sleep | oh man |
| 14:49 | @ | guinea-sleep | that was a sweet HoG |
| 14:49 | @ | guinea-sleep | sighup: g7 gp |
| 14:49 | sighup | #G7 stats for gp, the Emperor of New England -- 5/162 Current Level: 51 | Time to next level: 4 days, 05:13:18 | Status: online | Item Total: 458 | Total Time Idled: 73 days, 03:40:45 |
| 14:50 | @caker | whoa .. "port knocking" |
| 14:50 | @caker | cool idea |
| 14:50 | schweeb | you didn't hear about that ye? |
| 14:50 | schweeb | er yet? |
| 14:50 | schweeb | was in SysAdmin about 6 months ago |
| 14:50 | @caker | just getting around to /. ... something didn't feel right and then I realized I hadn't read it yet today |
| 14:51 | @caker | ahh |
| 14:51 | @caker | nope |
| 14:51 | schweeb | been on /. before as well |
| 14:51 | @ | guinea-sleep | i almost never read /. |
| 14:51 | @ | guinea-sleep | anymore |
| 14:51 | schweeb | I never used to |
| 14:51 | schweeb | then I started working here, and needed something to distract myself |
| 14:52 | schweeb | so, I work on my own projects, read arstechnica, read their forums, read /., and read LinuxToday |
| 14:52 | schweeb | for like 1/2 the day |
| 14:52 | @ | guinea-sleep | the internet is a black hole that sucks in my life, and leaves a void behind |
| 14:52 | @ | guinea-sleep | an un-networked computer does not phase me |
| 14:52 | @ | guinea-sleep | eureeka |
| 14:53 | @ | guinea-sleep | that's it |
| 14:53 | @ | guinea-sleep | i don't hate computers. never have. i hate the internet! |
| 14:53 | @ | guinea-sleep | now to destroy it... *grin* |
| 14:55 | @caker | I have to design one of those tower ads (120x600). I'm sponsoring/hosting knoppix.net (big site) :) |
| 14:55 | schweeb | good luck on that one |
| 14:55 | schweeb | caker: sweet |
| 14:55 | schweeb | Caesar still hasn't gotten back to you yet, has he? |
| 14:55 | tjfontaine | you're currently doing so, or will be shortly |
| 14:55 | adamg | those iso downloads are going to be bad |
| 14:55 | @caker | sighup: nslookup knoppix.net |
| 14:55 | sighup | caker: knoppix.net is 66.220.1.171 |
| 14:56 | @caker | currently |
| 14:56 | tjfontaine | :-) |
| 14:56 | @caker | adamg: no isos :) |
| 14:56 | @caker | from his forums: We have 6904 registered users |
| 14:56 | schweeb | caker: is that a knoppix fansite or something? |
| 14:57 | @caker | schweeb: yes, second site in google for "knoppix" |
| 14:57 | schweeb | oh, nice |
| 14:57 | schweeb | hrm |
| 14:57 | | * schweeb checks google for his company |
| 14:59 | schweeb | our president offered a huge bonus to me if I could get our site in the first page on google for certain terms, but I'm not that unethical :-/ |
| 14:59 | schweeb | don't approve of google-tampering |
| 14:59 | adamg | it is hard to do as well |
| 15:00 | schweeb | yea |
| 15:00 | adamg | easier to just pay for adwords |
| 15:00 | schweeb | he said he'd buy any domains necessary to make it work as well |
| 15:00 | schweeb | yea, we pay for google ads |
| 15:00 | @caker | stupid idiot from yesterday logged into another account he has with me with the same IP. |
| 15:00 | | * caker turns off |
| 15:00 | | * caker cross references everything |
| 15:01 | adamg | that the idiot who used the stolen cc |
| 15:01 | schweeb | huh? |
| 15:01 | @caker | yeah |
| 15:01 | adamg | had some front coming on here and asking why it was gone |
| 15:01 | @caker | sighup: iqdb 36 |
| 15:01 | sighup | caker: i'm not following you... |
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| 15:02 | adamg | looks like no one has written that plug in yet |
| 15:04 | schweeb | hory shit |
| 15:04 | schweeb | we're the first ad on google |
| 15:04 | schweeb | that must have cost a fortune |
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| 15:05 | @caker | for what term (I won't click) |
| 15:08 | schweeb | tip of the day for firebird users: F6 brings the address bar into focus |
| 15:09 | adamg | some terms are really cheap others expensive |
| 15:09 | @caker | top 5 for "hosting" is like $40 ! |
| 15:10 | @caker | it's sick |
| 15:10 | adamg | that it is |
| 15:10 | adamg | and is how google gets it's money |
| 15:10 | adamg | someone has got to pay for the gormet meals that they serve to staff |
| 15:18 | schweeb | ooh, google rotates the first few ads based on number of clicks |
| 15:18 | schweeb | we were #2 for a second there |
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| 15:35 | shakr | so does ctrl L |
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| 16:01 | You_Wish | caker you alive |
| 16:02 | QuikShot | sighup: g7 Quik |
| 16:02 | sighup | #G7 stats for Quik, the Linodian -- 6/162 Current Level: 51 | Time to next level: 9 days, 08:19:49 | Status: online | Item Total: 473 | Total Time Idled: 68 days, 19:41:40 |
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| 16:15 | | * schweeb pokes caker |
| 16:16 | schweeb | caker: left you a PM |
| 16:19 | @caker | hey |
| 16:25 | @caker | http://www.infoworld.com/infoworld/img/05FElinux-ch.gif |
| 16:26 | @caker | whoops |
| 16:26 | @caker | http://www.infoworld.com/infoworld/article/04/01/30/05FElinux_1.html |
| 16:26 | @caker | 2.4 vs 2.6 comparison |
| 16:27 | schweeb | jes |
| 16:28 | @caker | impressive results |
| 16:28 | | * caker looks over at host17 |
| 16:28 | schweeb | you run 2.6 on anything? |
| 16:28 | @caker | I debated for host15 and host16 |
| 16:29 | @caker | My biggest concern is how a single UML can DOS the host |
| 16:29 | adamg | the swap thing |
| 16:29 | schweeb | preemption will kick that out the door |
| 16:29 | @caker | and I've considered a patch to UML that limit the number of write req/sec |
| 16:29 | @caker | but I know the purists will say "it's not the UML's fault" |
| 16:30 | @caker | since any application with the same usage pattern as UML could DOS a 2.4 kernel |
| 16:30 | @caker | I'm interested in 2.6 because of patches I've seen available that allow you to "nice" disk I/O too |
| 16:30 | schweeb | preemptive scheduling will allow the others to function even when another linode is trying to take all the resources |
| 16:31 | @caker | that's CPU sched, not disk I/O |
| 16:31 | @caker | ? |
| 16:31 | schweeb | right |
| 16:31 | @caker | this has more to do with the I/O scheduler |
| 16:31 | schweeb | you're having I/O probs? |
| 16:31 | schweeb | ahhh |
| 16:31 | schweeb | block I/O is supposed to be a lot faster |
| 16:31 | @caker | the request queue gets filled, and nothing else can get in |
| 16:31 | @caker | It's very unfair in 2.5 |
| 16:31 | @caker | er 2.4 |
| 16:32 | @caker | Yes, there's the deadline scheduler, and then the anticipatory scheduler (which is interesting in how it works) |
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| 16:32 | @caker | and then there's an unmaintained CFQ scheduler |
| 16:32 | schweeb | I need to start looking into those |
| 16:32 | schweeb | anticipatory looked sweet |
| 16:32 | adamg | hi Hansm |
| 16:32 | @caker | CFQ = completely fair queuing |
| 16:32 | Hansm | Caker = Chris? |
| 16:32 | schweeb | caker: timeslices? |
| 16:32 | @caker | Hansm: hey :) |
| 16:32 | Hansm | right? |
| 16:32 | @caker | CFQ just round robins the requests queue |
| 16:32 | schweeb | ah |
| 16:32 | @caker | Hansm: yes, this is Chris |
| 16:34 | schweeb | how complex is the UML code? |
| 16:34 | @caker | hmm |
| 16:34 | @caker | it's a little weird |
| 16:34 | | * schweeb opens up one of the patches |
| 16:35 | schweeb | I know a lot of it is a bit of a hack |
| 16:35 | @caker | because kernel stuff is really the "glibc" side |
| 16:35 | @caker | http://www.linode.com/uml/lxr/http/source/?v=linux-2.4.23 |
| 16:36 | schweeb | that's your mirror of Jeff's CVS? |
| 16:36 | @caker | I ran LXR on the code |
| 16:36 | @caker | Linux Cross Reference |
| 16:36 | schweeb | I've heard of it, dunno what it does |
| 16:37 | @caker | it parses the code and adds hyperlinks to all the tokens |
| 16:37 | @caker | so you can surf it quickly (and learn, etc) |
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| 16:38 | schweeb | ooh that's kinda neat |
| 16:39 | | * schweeb wonders what kind of provisions are being made in UML for when devfs is gone |
| 16:39 | schweeb | although, I tend not to use devfs myself |
| 16:40 | @caker | UML just inherits devfs and other kernel code, nothing specific has to be done |
| 16:41 | schweeb | true |
| 16:41 | schweeb | you started into that O'Reilly kernel book yet? |
| 16:41 | @caker | hehe |
| 16:42 | @caker | I've browsed it, yeah .. lots of stuff w(ay)tf over my head |
| 16:42 | schweeb | is that one still focused on the 2.4 kernel? or did they include any 2.6 stuff? |
| 16:42 | @caker | 2.4 :( |
| 16:42 | schweeb | I was gonna try learning more, but I wanted to wait for a 2.6 focused book to come out |
| 16:43 | schweeb | all those dev_t changes and such |
| 16:44 | Sh8d0w | wow, ./configure can acttually give a "permission denied" error? |
| 16:44 | schweeb | if you don't have appropriate access to execute it, I would imagine so |
| 16:44 | Sh8d0w | but I'm root |
| 16:45 | @ | guinea-sleep | root can't write to a read-only medium |
| 16:45 | @ | guinea-sleep | (for example) |
| 16:45 | @caker | is it set eXecutable? |
| 16:46 | @ | guinea-sleep | oh duh. always the simple things, eh? :P |
| 16:46 | @ | guinea-sleep | :< ... my dog's going to sleep tomorrow |
| 16:46 | schweeb | caker: what would be a good way to test disk IO speeds in UML, hdparm -Tt won't work |
| 16:47 | | * caker shrugs |
| 16:47 | schweeb | bugger. |
| 16:47 | Sh8d0w | ah, I was looking at the wrong file HEE HEE |
| 16:47 | @caker | My tests only involve making the UML swap like crazy |
| 16:48 | schweeb | I'm trying to figure out some good benchmarky type stuff to load test my server |
| 16:48 | @caker | usually I just do stuff like "time (dd ..some big file; copy somebigfile here)" |
| 16:48 | @caker | bonnie, and the like are WAY to complicated |
| 16:49 | schweeb | which would be how you ran across the ubd=mmap problems :p |
| 16:49 | @caker | heh |
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| 16:53 | @caker | hello inkblot |
| 16:55 | inkblot | hi |
| 16:56 | @ | guinea-sleep | nate dawg |
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| 17:33 | tjfontaine | ping caker |
| 17:34 | eadz | get up, have a coffee, download 80 MyDoom copies over dialup... |
| 17:35 | @caker | hey |
| 17:36 | tjfontaine | heya |
| 17:36 | eadz | hey caker |
| 17:38 | adamg | is || or in perl? |
| 17:39 | adamg | my memory has died |
| 17:39 | tjfontaine | ya |
| 17:39 | tjfontaine | for logical or |
| 17:39 | schweeb | correct |
| 17:39 | schweeb | need to re-read learning perl, and programming perl |
| 17:39 | @caker | sighup: true? |
| 17:39 | sighup | no idea, caker |
| 17:40 | @caker | sighup: true=1 |
| 17:40 | sighup | caker: what? |
| 17:40 | schweeb | sighup: true is 1 |
| 17:40 | sighup | OK, schweeb. |
| 17:40 | @caker | sighup: false is 0 |
| 17:40 | schweeb | sighup: true |
| 17:40 | sighup | OK, caker. |
| 17:40 | sighup | i think true is 1 |
| 17:40 | @caker | sighup: true or false ? |
| 17:40 | sighup | i don't know, caker |
| 17:40 | schweeb | sighup: true is <reply> 1 |
| 17:40 | sighup | ...but true is 1... |
| 17:40 | schweeb | sighup: no, true is <reply> 1 |
| 17:40 | sighup | ...but true is 1... |
| 17:40 | tjfontaine | sighup: forget true |
| 17:40 | sighup | tjfontaine: I forgot true |
| 17:40 | tjfontaine | sighup: true is <reply> 1 |
| 17:40 | sighup | OK, tjfontaine. |
| 17:40 | tjfontaine | sighup: true |
| 17:40 | sighup | 1 |
| 17:40 | schweeb | you guys haven't implemented the "no," feature yet? |
| 17:41 | tjfontaine | no |
| 17:41 | schweeb | I like that, we have that on another channel I'm in |
| 17:41 | schweeb | is sighup a blootbot? |
| 17:41 | mikegrb | yes |
| 17:42 | schweeb | good, then I already know some of its features |
| 17:42 | mikegrb | :) |
| 17:42 | schweeb | sighup: start a holy war |
| 17:42 | sighup | schweeb: excuse me? |
| 17:42 | schweeb | damn. |
| 17:42 | schweeb | that one's always fun. |
| 17:42 | tjfontaine | VI is G0D |
| 17:42 | mikegrb | sure |
| 17:43 | schweeb | correction |
| 17:43 | schweeb | vim is god |
| 17:43 | schweeb | vi is crap |
| 17:43 | mikegrb | sure |
| 17:44 | adamg | mikegrb you need to write an iqdb thing for sighup |
| 17:44 | tjfontaine | hehe |
| 17:44 | tjfontaine | I am doing it adamg |
| 17:44 | mikegrb | adamg: it will be better |
| 17:44 | mikegrb | bot in #iqdb will announce new quotes as added |
| 17:44 | mikegrb | but yes sighup will get a module too |
| 17:45 | adamg | good so we can do iqdb random etc |
| 17:46 | ElfStone | schweeb: what is the differnce? |
| 17:47 | adamg | !google vim |
| 17:48 | adamg | I thought xbox logger was in here |
| 17:48 | ElfStone | does not look like it |
| 17:49 | schweeb | ElfStone: vim supports syntax hilighting, and a bunch of other stuff |
| 17:50 | schweeb | when you type "vi" on most modern distros, you're really using vim |
| 17:50 | @caker | how many in here posses the Vi coffemug? |
| 17:51 | schweeb | thinkgeek? |
| 17:51 | ElfStone | lol |
| 17:51 | | * schweeb doesn't drink coffee |
| 17:51 | @caker | yeah, I saw them like at a tradeshow before they had them .. been around a long time, no? |
| 17:51 | ElfStone | schweeb: not for me |
| 17:51 | ElfStone | vi is elvis 2.1 for me |
| 17:51 | @caker | I thought they were everywhere |
| 17:52 | ElfStone | and VIM is vi improved 6.2.99 |
| 17:52 | @ | guinea-sleep | i've got a scan of a coffee mug |
| 17:52 | schweeb | which disro? |
| 17:52 | ElfStone | caker: hehe |
| 17:52 | ElfStone | schweeb: slackware 9.1 |
| 17:52 | schweeb | ah |
| 17:52 | ElfStone | caker: i have a linux shirt tho |
| 17:52 | schweeb | hrm |
| 17:52 | ElfStone | schweeb: some people call it the true linux for some reason |
| 17:53 | ElfStone | i do not know why |
| 17:53 | ElfStone | they will not explain |
| 17:53 | schweeb | the reason is they like incompetent packaging systems @_@ |
| 17:53 | schweeb | tgz != package management |
| 17:53 | ElfStone | LOL |
| 17:53 | ElfStone | it is fine for me |
| 17:53 | ElfStone | i use checkinstall |
| 17:53 | ElfStone | to input stuff into the package manager |
| 17:54 | @caker | cd /; tar xfz package.tar.gz |
| 17:54 | @caker | easy |
| 17:54 | ElfStone | yea |
| 17:54 | @caker | j/k :) |
| 17:54 | ElfStone | caker: packagemanger makes it easier to remove and add slackpacks |
| 17:54 | schweeb | I prefer something with the ability to do sophisticated package dependencies |
| 17:54 | ElfStone | like urpmi |
| 17:54 | ElfStone | in mandrake |
| 17:54 | ElfStone | and apt-get in debian |
| 17:54 | schweeb | which .debs are the best ones areound |
| 17:54 | schweeb | around even |
| 17:55 | schweeb | ebuilds aren't so bad either, from what I hear |
| 17:55 | ElfStone | hehe |
| 17:55 | ElfStone | urpmi does rpms |
| 17:55 | schweeb | the rpm format is my mortal enemy |
| 17:55 | ElfStone | hehe |
| 17:56 | schweeb | I've locked the rpm db too many times to mess with rpms anymore |
| 17:56 | ElfStone | i prefeer source |
| 17:56 | ElfStone | (i think i spelt that right) |
| 17:56 | schweeb | prefer. |
| 17:56 | ElfStone | ah thanks |
| 17:56 | ElfStone | didn't think it was a double e |
| 17:57 | schweeb | caker: http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/item/vimug?elinux=a4a4a6c838f6b9c6205940bc77046b09 <-- that one? |
| 17:57 | @caker | yeah |
| 17:58 | schweeb | do you actually have to use it as a reference? :p |
| 17:58 | @caker | I don't have one :) |
| 17:58 | @caker | and I only know about 6 routines in vi |
| 17:58 | schweeb | ahh |
| 17:58 | @caker | most involve ESC many times |
| 17:58 | schweeb | what do you use? |
| 17:58 | schweeb | lol |
| 17:58 | @caker | vi |
| 17:58 | schweeb | haha |
| 17:59 | schweeb | :w :wq :q :wq! :w fn :set noautoindent :syn on |
| 17:59 | ElfStone | i use pico atm |
| 17:59 | ElfStone | if i use vi |
| 17:59 | schweeb | pico's not powerful enough for me |
| 17:59 | schweeb | ... |
| 17:59 | schweeb | pico != vi |
| 17:59 | ElfStone | on my webserver i use |
| 17:59 | ElfStone | i know |
| 17:59 | ElfStone | on 1and1 |
| 17:59 | ElfStone | they only have vi |
| 17:59 | ElfStone | last time i tried |
| 18:00 | ElfStone | never tried vim |
| 18:00 | schweeb | once you get used to vim syntax, it's much faster than pico/nano |
| 18:00 | ElfStone | yea i know |
| 18:00 | schweeb | /<searchterm> <--- awesome |
| 18:00 | ElfStone | what is the open command |
| 18:00 | ElfStone | :o ?? |
| 18:00 | schweeb | probably |
| 18:00 | schweeb | I always open fromthe command line |
| 18:00 | ElfStone | vim fileanme? |
| 18:01 | schweeb | yep |
| 18:01 | @caker | delete [char|word|line], replace char, insert line, search, search & replace (/me stud), save, and abort.. |
| 18:02 | @caker | that's about it |
| 18:03 | @caker | I love the answer I get to this question: What's a good IDE for doing dev work in Linux? |
| 18:03 | @caker | answer (100x): vi |
| 18:03 | tjfontaine | :-) |
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| 18:17 | schweeb | caker: anjuta is nice in a gui :p |
| 18:17 | schweeb | I like being able to collapse tags and stuff |
| 18:19 | eurozip | vim++ (set nowrap\nset nu\nset ruler\nsyntax on) |
| 18:19 | schweeb | wonder how much memory UML uses without the mem=? option |
| 18:20 | EFudd | any way to move the cursor to character X in vi? say like 1,523 or sompn? |
| 18:20 | eurozip | :23 goes to line 23 |
| 18:20 | schweeb | :linenumber |
| 18:20 | EFudd | right |
| 18:20 | EFudd | not line |
| 18:20 | EFudd | character |
| 18:20 | eurozip | G in command mode to last line |
| 18:20 | EFudd | not last line |
| 18:20 | eurozip | looking... |
| 18:20 | EFudd | specific character # :P |
| 18:21 | EFudd | To move to a character number (position) in a line type: num |. (pipe symbol) |
| 18:21 | EFudd | appears to only be line by line operations still |
| 18:21 | eurozip | To move to a character number (position) in a line type: num |. (pipe symbol) |
| 18:21 | EFudd | -nods- :) |
| 18:21 | eurozip | http://www.dynamic-apps.com/linux_vim.jsp |
| 18:21 | eurozip | :) |
| 18:21 | EFudd | yaeh :P |
| 18:22 | EFudd | still not a specific char in the document tho :/ |
| 18:22 | eurozip | yep |
| 18:23 | EFudd | 18:22 <@Vee> ^u N right arrow was correct, EFudd |
| 18:42 | @caker | schweeb: default is 32m |
| 18:44 | schweeb | hrm, mine seems to be allocating 26M by default |
| 18:45 | schweeb | blackbeard:/var/www# free -m |
| 18:45 | schweeb | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 18:45 | schweeb | Mem: 26 25 1 0 1 10 |
| 18:48 | @caker | about 5-6 megs goes towards kernel space |
| 18:48 | @caker | sighup: 1024*2.5 |
| 18:48 | sighup | 2560 |
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| 18:48 | @caker | ssh host1 free -m |
| 18:48 | @caker | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 18:48 | @caker | Mem: 2526 2459 67 0 30 2233 |
| 18:49 | @caker | so 34megs reserved on host1 |
| 18:49 | schweeb | ahh |
| 18:49 | schweeb | gotcha |
| 18:55 | ElfStone | schweeb: what made you choose blackbeard as a name? |
| 18:55 | schweeb | ElfStone: pirate theme |
| 18:55 | ElfStone | ah |
| 18:56 | ElfStone | the server i am working at is named on a star trek theme |
| 18:56 | ElfStone | all the servers he has are named after ship classes |
| 18:56 | schweeb | <-- not a trek fan |
| 18:56 | ElfStone | hehe |
| 18:56 | ElfStone | my whole family is execpt my sister |
| 18:58 | ElfStone | what are you a fan of then |
| 18:59 | @caker | large women |
| 19:00 | ElfStone | lol |
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| 19:08 | @ | guinea-sleep | eek |
| 19:08 | @ | guinea-sleep | i just sent an email to someone who posted an apartment offering on craigslist |
| 19:08 | @ | guinea-sleep | am i really serious? *shudder* |
| 19:09 | ElfStone | O.o |
| 19:09 | @ | guinea-sleep | less than a block away from where i used to live |
| 19:09 | @ | guinea-sleep | i *love* it there |
| 19:09 | @ | guinea-sleep | relatively cheap, too |
| 19:09 | @ | guinea-sleep | considering it's in boston :P |
| 19:10 | @ | guinea-sleep | nothing's cheap in boston |
| 19:10 | ElfStone | lol |
| 19:10 | ElfStone | hoiw much |
| 19:10 | ElfStone | *how |
| 19:10 | @ | guinea-sleep | $500 |
| 19:11 | @ | guinea-sleep | shared with 2 others |
| 19:11 | ElfStone | Oh |
| 19:11 | @ | guinea-sleep | so $1500 for a 3 bedroom |
| 19:11 | @ | guinea-sleep | that's wicked cheap |
| 19:11 | @ | guinea-sleep | $1800-2200 is norm |
| 19:11 | @caker | guinea-sleep: where? |
| 19:11 | ElfStone | there are apartments that my os in is $450 |
| 19:11 | ElfStone | 1 bed room |
| 19:11 | @ | guinea-sleep | somerville, davis square |
| 19:11 | ElfStone | ah |
| 19:11 | ElfStone | hehe |
| 19:12 | @caker | boston? |
| 19:12 | ElfStone | *brother |
| 19:12 | ElfStone | for me? |
| 19:12 | ElfStone | no |
| 19:12 | @ | guinea-sleep | somerville-cambridge-boston |
| 19:12 | @ | guinea-sleep | a little to the northwest |
| 19:12 | @ | guinea-sleep | still on the subway system |
| 19:13 | @ | guinea-sleep | http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=cedar+and+highland&city=somerville&state=ma :) |
| 19:14 | ElfStone | hehe |
| 19:15 | @ | guinea-sleep | bob. |
| 19:15 | @ | guinea-sleep | bob had bitch tits |
| 19:15 | @ | guinea-sleep | to start press any key |
| 19:15 | @ | guinea-sleep | where's the any key? |
| 19:15 | | * guinea-sleep loves the simpsons techno |
| 19:15 | ElfStone | LOL |
| 19:16 | @ | guinea-sleep | d'oh d'oh d'oh d'oh-d'oh |
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| 19:28 | ElfStone | caer |
| 19:28 | ElfStone | *caker |
| 19:28 | ElfStone | 19:15 -!- WES][-Bernie- [bernhard@bernie.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'm |
| 19:28 | ElfStone | root I'm allowed to do that!] |
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| 19:29 | mikegrb | so? |
| 19:29 | mikegrb | he is a bofh |
| 19:29 | mikegrb | you aren't |
| 19:29 | mikegrb | he is a member of the cabal |
| 19:29 | ElfStone | what is bofh? |
| 19:30 | mikegrb | omg |
| 19:30 | adamg | sighup bofh |
| 19:30 | sighup | adamg: excuse me? |
| 19:30 | adamg | even sighup doesnt know |
| 19:30 | mikegrb | lolz |
| 19:30 | ElfStone | Oh |
| 19:30 | ElfStone | LOL |
| 19:30 | ElfStone | bastard operator from hell |
| 19:31 | ElfStone | and cabal the mutilplayer online gaming guild? |
| 19:31 | mikegrb | umm no |
| 19:32 | ElfStone | what is cabal then |
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| 20:34 | @caker | next time jeffml comes in, ask him to wait more than two minutes |
| 20:34 | mikegrb | he did |
| 20:34 | mikegrb | 2 min 5 sec |
| 20:39 | tjfontaine</ |
