| --- | Log | opened Sun Feb 01 00:00:09 2004 |
| --- | Day | changed Sun Feb 01 2004 |
| 00:00 | <ElfStone> | oh wel |
| 00:00 | <ElfStone> | *well |
| 00:00 | <heidi> | when someone says not to pm them and you still do, it is in violation of oftc rules |
| 00:00 | <schweeb> | mikegrb: powerconnect 3000's from $14/mo |
| 00:00 | <ElfStone> | well when you asked me to stop i put you on ingore |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:00 | <schweeb> | mikegrb: or ~$500 |
| 00:00 | <ElfStone> | *ignore |
| 00:00 | <heidi> | so when someone on staff heard me getting frustrated they passed it on |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | 500 |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | hmm |
| 00:00 | <heidi> | hmm |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | how many ports does that have |
| 00:01 | <@mikegrb> | oh guess I can pull it up myself ;) |
| 00:01 | <schweeb> | 24 10/100 and 2 gige |
| 00:01 | <heidi> | but anyway, just be careful about how you address some people from now on |
| 00:01 | <schweeb> | you're not really gonna find a managed switch with much less than 16 ports |
| 00:01 | <schweeb> | or, not a good one |
| 00:01 | <heidi> | some don't like talking to "kids" |
| 00:01 | <ElfStone> | i have you blocked on pm so i can;t |
| 00:01 | <heidi> | if you know what I mean |
| 00:01 | <heidi> | heh |
| 00:02 | <schweeb> | heidi: spelling mistakes got to me |
| 00:02 | <ElfStone> | heidi: i stoped giveing my age out for that reason |
| 00:02 | <heidi> | heh |
| 00:02 | <heidi> | schweeb: yeah I am a spelling nut |
| 00:02 | <heidi> | but sometimes I type too fast |
| 00:02 | <heidi> | so I mispell and am a bit of a hypocrite |
| 00:02 | <ElfStone> | but whatever i know i type too fast to have spelling right |
| 00:03 | <schweeb> | there's a difference between misspelling and mistyping |
| 00:03 | <heidi> | true |
| 00:03 | <ElfStone> | yea whatever |
| 00:03 | <heidi> | I should do something productive |
| 00:03 | <schweeb> | I tried... |
| 00:03 | <ElfStone> | heidi: i am |
| 00:04 | <schweeb> | I was doing a little write up on User Mode Linux for my webpage, but SSH disconnections kept screwin me over |
| 00:04 | <heidi> | heh |
| 00:04 | <ElfStone> | schweeb: i thougth you said you had alot of sleep |
| 00:04 | <ElfStone> | schweeb: how is the server goin |
| 00:04 | <ElfStone> | *going |
| 00:04 | <schweeb> | think my router's slowly dying |
| 00:04 | <ElfStone> | schweeb: what brand? |
| 00:05 | <ElfStone> | heidi: the other one is at westpoint |
| 00:05 | <heidi> | the other what |
| 00:05 | <ElfStone> | i believe |
| 00:05 | <ElfStone> | nuke school |
| 00:05 | <heidi> | no |
| 00:05 | <heidi> | it is in in new york |
| 00:05 | <schweeb> | think I'm gonna buy one of those gumstix and make a router project for myself |
| 00:06 | <heidi> | but not westpoint |
| 00:06 | <heidi> | they have moved some |
| 00:06 | <ElfStone> | heidi: oh ya that is army |
| 00:06 | <heidi> | one used to be in florida |
| 00:06 | <heidi> | but it was closed |
| 00:06 | <heidi> | yeah |
| 00:07 | <ElfStone> | It is in NJ |
| 00:07 | <ElfStone> | Earle NJ |
| 00:11 | <heidi> | no |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | O.o |
| 00:11 | <heidi> | last choice he had was here or new york |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | there are no navy based in my |
| 00:11 | <heidi> | definetly new york |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | wait |
| 00:11 | <heidi> | it is just a school |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | this list is from 2002 |
| 00:11 | <heidi> | no actual subs |
| 00:11 | <heidi> | yeah |
| 00:12 | <heidi> | it is well publicized either |
| 00:12 | <heidi> | so may not be in any book you could get ahold of |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | heidi: they list it as a Naval Weapons Station |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | it is from the navy's website |
| 00:12 | <heidi> | yeah |
| 00:12 | <heidi> | but that doesn't mean that it is a nuke school |
| 00:12 | <heidi> | the school is by itself |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | chinfo.navy.mil |
| 00:12 | <heidi> | just a school |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | the one your at now is named the same |
| 00:13 | <heidi> | yeah |
| 00:13 | * | ElfStone looks |
| 00:13 | <schweeb> | mikegrb: how cheap of a switch were you looking for? cause you could build your own switch, just like I'm building my router |
| 00:13 | <heidi> | but that is because there actually used to be boats out of here |
| 00:13 | <schweeb> | mikegrb: how many ports |
| 00:13 | <@tjfontaine> | 48 |
| 00:13 | <heidi> | there are no active military ports here except for an occasional supply ship |
| 00:13 | <@tjfontaine> | :-) |
| 00:13 | <schweeb> | ahhhh |
| 00:13 | <schweeb> | nm then |
| 00:13 | <@tjfontaine> | jk |
| 00:14 | <schweeb> | heh |
| 00:14 | <@tjfontaine> | I odn't know how many ports he wants |
| 00:14 | <@tjfontaine> | but, I want a 48 for work, how bout you build me one :-) |
| 00:14 | <heidi> | I promise the only other school is in new york |
| 00:14 | <heidi> | they don't really advertise where the schools are |
| 00:14 | <heidi> | even on the web sites |
| 00:14 | <schweeb> | tjfontaine: that'd be just as expensive as a Dell powerconnect :p |
| 00:15 | <@tjfontaine> | ya :/ that sucks... but you could do it for free for me ;-) |
| 00:15 | <schweeb> | haha |
| 00:15 | <schweeb> | what I'd be making was a ghetto switch |
| 00:15 | <ElfStone> | heidi: http://chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/bases/navbases.html |
| 00:15 | <ElfStone> | they have greatlakes there |
| 00:16 | <ElfStone> | oh well |
| 00:16 | <@tjfontaine> | it would be perfect for my ghetto town |
| 00:16 | <schweeb> | lol |
| 00:16 | <schweeb> | check out http://www.gumstix.com |
| 00:16 | <schweeb> | they have linux based embedded boards |
| 00:16 | <schweeb> | with usb controllers on them |
| 00:17 | <@tjfontaine> | neato |
| 00:17 | <schweeb> | get a couple usb ethernet controllers and you can make a sweet router |
| 00:17 | <heidi> | ElfStone: that site does not list where the schools are |
| 00:17 | <heidi> | like I said |
| 00:17 | <schweeb> | iptables > linksys, dlink, etc... |
| 00:17 | <heidi> | there is no active base where the school is so it won't be listed |
| 00:17 | <heidi> | the base here used to have active ports |
| 00:17 | <heidi> | that is why it is listed |
| 00:18 | <heidi> | the nuke school stuff is pretty top secret |
| 00:18 | <heidi> | they don't want anyone finding them and blowing them up |
| 00:18 | <heidi> | too important |
| 00:18 | <heidi> | but anyway |
| 00:18 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:18 | <heidi> | it is the truth |
| 00:18 | <heidi> | we have friends that moved up there |
| 00:19 | <ElfStone> | yea |
| 00:19 | <heidi> | they split the classes |
| 00:19 | <ElfStone> | it is somewhere |
| 00:19 | <ElfStone> | but i do not care |
| 00:19 | <ElfStone> | =P |
| 00:19 | <heidi> | michael got to stay here cause he was married |
| 00:19 | <heidi> | it isn't really important where unless you were to actually join the navy and that particular program |
| 00:19 | <heidi> | which is incredibly hard to do |
| 00:20 | <heidi> | so many tests |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | yea |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | i know |
| 00:20 | <heidi> | hardest program in the navy |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | i have the requirements right here |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | no |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | the seals are |
| 00:20 | <heidi> | unfortunatly they are also the meanest |
| 00:20 | <heidi> | well, physically the seals maybe |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | seals |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | mentaly nuck |
| 00:20 | <heidi> | but seriously intellectually nuke program is the hardest |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | *nuke |
| 00:20 | <heidi> | yeah |
| 00:21 | <heidi> | nuke is the meanest |
| 00:21 | <ElfStone> | you need a near prefect asvad score |
| 00:22 | <heidi> | yes |
| 00:22 | <heidi> | plus near perfect scores on two other tests |
| 00:22 | <heidi> | or more |
| 00:22 | <heidi> | I can't remember exactly how many |
| 00:22 | <heidi> | I know of at least two |
| 00:22 | <ElfStone> | yea |
| 00:22 | <ElfStone> | my uncle told me |
| 00:23 | <ElfStone> | he wanted to get into the Nuke Field |
| 00:23 | <heidi> | yeah |
| 00:23 | <ElfStone> | but he didn't complete HS |
| 00:23 | <heidi> | mikegrb guessed on his tests for the most part |
| 00:23 | <ElfStone> | but he was a seal |
| 00:23 | <heidi> | and still got perfect scores |
| 00:23 | <heidi> | yeah |
| 00:23 | <ElfStone> | medical discharge after Gulf War |
| 00:23 | <heidi> | you have to complete high school for it |
| 00:23 | <heidi> | yeah |
| 00:23 | <ElfStone> | because of chemicals |
| 00:24 | <heidi> | yeah |
| 00:24 | <ElfStone> | he is always sick now |
| 00:24 | <heidi> | I am sorry |
| 00:24 | <ElfStone> | has hypotherma now |
| 00:24 | <heidi> | :( |
| 00:24 | <ElfStone> | that is from his truck break down |
| 00:24 | <ElfStone> | *breaking |
| 00:24 | <heidi> | oh |
| 00:25 | <ElfStone> | he is a trucker now |
| 00:25 | <ElfStone> | spent 8 hours |
| 00:25 | <ElfStone> | in below zero |
| 00:25 | * | SupaDongzu sighs |
| 00:25 | <heidi> | anyway |
| 00:25 | <@mikegrb> | SupaDongzu: indeed |
| 00:25 | <heidi> | mikegrb is threatening to kick me out of the channel for offtopic stuff |
| 00:25 | <SupaDongzu> | it's such a damn shame what the interstate highways did to this country |
| 00:26 | <heidi> | so I have to go now |
| 00:26 | <ElfStone> | heidi: dun listen to him |
| 00:26 | <ElfStone> | caker allows off topic |
| 00:26 | <SupaDongzu> | instead of eight-hour shifts on freight trains, it's all about 36-hour amphetamine drives on the interstate |
| 00:26 | <ElfStone> | he is not a amphetamine |
| 00:26 | <@mikegrb> | SupaDongzu: indeed |
| 00:26 | <heidi> | but mikegrb has ops |
| 00:27 | <Dave> | indeed |
| 00:27 | <ElfStone> | heidi: so? |
| 00:27 | <ElfStone> | kick=rejoin |
| 00:27 | <SupaDongzu> | if the us government were really serious about the "war on drugs" they'd fix the interstate trucking problem |
| 00:27 | - | heidi [~heidi@dave.xbox-linux.sf.net] left #linode () |
| 00:30 | <Dave> | nothing wrong with drugs |
| 00:30 | <Dave> | infact |
| 00:30 | <Dave> | there would be less anarchy if we had more! |
| 00:30 | <ElfStone> | Dave: hehe |
| 00:31 | <SupaDongzu> | do you really think it's safe to have speed freaks rolling 18-wheelers through traffic? |
| 00:31 | <Dave> | yes |
| 00:32 | <ElfStone> | what about trains |
| 00:32 | <ElfStone> | they cause more deaths |
| 00:32 | <Dave> | thats fine also |
| 00:34 | <@mikegrb> | No hahaha |
| 00:34 | <@mikegrb> | trains cause more deaths |
| 00:35 | <@mikegrb> | what twisted world do you live in |
| 00:35 | <Dave> | trains are alright if you dont have americans driving them |
| 00:35 | <ElfStone> | dave tell mike that i said that |
| 00:35 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:35 | <ElfStone> | he is a train freak like my dad >.< |
| 00:36 | <Dave> | ElfStone: arnt you the guy who doesnt know his arse from his elbow? |
| 00:36 | <ElfStone> | Dave: who said that |
| 00:37 | <Dave> | its confidential |
| 00:37 | <@mikegrb> | that would be the one |
| 00:37 | <ElfStone> | mike is a complete ass |
| 00:37 | <ElfStone> | just showed he said it |
| 00:37 | <Dave> | you mispelt competant |
| 00:37 | <ElfStone> | no |
| 00:37 | <ElfStone> | i spelled complete |
| 00:38 | <ElfStone> | not competant |
| 00:38 | <ElfStone> | so before you correct me read what i write |
| 00:38 | <@mikegrb> | dave that is a pretty good summary of him you came up with |
| 00:38 | <ElfStone> | wtfe |
| 00:40 | <Dave> | ElfStone: i think he agree's with me in my statment that you have trouble telling apart your bottom area, from the joint mid arm |
| 00:40 | <ElfStone> | Dave: well your wrong so get it right before you start saying stuff |
| 00:42 | <@inkblot> | ElfStone, you too, sweetie |
| 00:42 | <ElfStone> | inkblot: what is said is correct |
| 00:43 | <ElfStone> | what he said is wrong |
| 00:43 | <ElfStone> | so ... |
| 00:43 | <ElfStone> | i should know since he is saying it about me |
| 00:43 | <@inkblot> | and you should know that i'm talking about all the crap that you spew |
| 00:43 | <@inkblot> | and not any particular piece of it |
| 00:44 | <ElfStone> | anything i said that was wrong was corrected and i do not "spew crap" |
| 00:45 | <@inkblot> | to wit: |
| 00:45 | <@inkblot> | your wrong so get it right before you start saying stuff |
| 00:45 | <Dave> | do you prefer the term "eject crap projectily from a facial orofice"? |
| 00:45 | <@inkblot> | ^^^^^^ |
| 00:45 | <@inkblot> | also, "you're" |
| 00:46 | <ElfStone> | whatever |
| 00:47 | + | You_Wish [~You_Wish@adsl-068-209-131-003.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] joined #linode |
| 00:47 | <You_Wish> | caker got sec |
| 00:47 | - | ElfStone [joshua@2001:618:400:e6be::fa62] left #linode (Leaving) |
| 00:49 | <@inkblot> | all against banning ElfStone, speak now |
| 00:49 | <You_Wish> | i |
| 00:49 | <Dave> | me! |
| 00:49 | <You_Wish> | those apposed |
| 00:50 | <You_Wish> | say nay |
| 00:50 | <Dave> | although i dont know why im in this channel in the first place |
| 00:50 | <Dave> | so do as you please |
| 00:50 | <You_Wish> | caker you alive |
| 00:50 | <@inkblot> | sighup, ping caker |
| 00:50 | <sighup> | caker: ping! ping! ping! |
| 00:50 | <sighup> | caker was last seen on #linode 3 hours, 48 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: afk for a bit [1075600938] |
| 00:50 | * | Dave prods sighup |
| 00:50 | <@mikegrb> | 4 grs still counts as a bit |
| 00:51 | <You_Wish> | can anybody help me set new ips |
| 00:52 | <@inkblot> | all in favor of banning ElfStone.... |
| 00:52 | <@mikegrb> | peep |
| 00:53 | <@inkblot> | You_Wish, was your vote for or against banning him? |
| 00:53 | <You_Wish> | for |
| 00:53 | <@inkblot> | i suspect you misparsed |
| 00:53 | <@inkblot> | ok |
| 00:53 | <@inkblot> | so that's three in favor |
| 00:53 | <@inkblot> | and 1 against who says his vote doesn't count |
| 00:53 | <You_Wish> | i think a kill would be cooler |
| 00:54 | ~ | inkblot set +b ElfStone!*@* on #linode |
| 00:54 | <Dave> | that me? |
| 00:54 | <@inkblot> | yes |
| 00:54 | <You_Wish> | ./kill ElfStone comebackwhenwearenotbored |
| 00:55 | <schweeb> | You_Wish: I could have probably arranged a kill |
| 00:55 | <schweeb> | just talk to ElectricElf :p |
| 00:55 | <You_Wish> | all in favor of a kill verses a ban say i |
| 00:55 | <You_Wish> | i |
| 00:55 | <schweeb> | i |
| 00:56 | <schweeb> | *cough* versus |
| 00:56 | <You_Wish> | those apposed |
| 00:56 | <schweeb> | nay |
| 00:56 | <schweeb> | no opposition |
| 00:56 | <You_Wish> | meet adjourn |
| 00:56 | <You_Wish> | beer time |
| 00:57 | <SupaDongzu> | 21:32 <ElfStone> what about trains |
| 00:57 | <SupaDongzu> | 21:32 <ElfStone> they cause more deaths |
| 00:57 | <SupaDongzu> | hahaha |
| 00:57 | <SupaDongzu> | 40,000 deaths per year from automobiles |
| 00:57 | <SupaDongzu> | how do trains top that? |
| 00:57 | <SupaDongzu> | the deaths are in the hundreds |
| 00:57 | <SupaDongzu> | possibly dozens per year |
| 00:58 | <You_Wish> | anybody know how to check ip if it is up the right way |
| 01:01 | <@mikegrb> | SupaDongzu: indeed |
| 01:02 | <@mikegrb> | he is obviously stoned |
| 01:02 | <@mikegrb> | I was asked earlier today if he should be banned from the network |
| 01:03 | <SupaDongzu> | haha |
| 01:03 | <You_Wish> | i got milk :)) |
| 01:03 | <SupaDongzu> | oh, he's banned in here now |
| 01:03 | <SupaDongzu> | does this network moderate you if you're banned? |
| 01:03 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 01:03 | <SupaDongzu> | nice |
| 01:04 | <@mikegrb> | but of course he can't enter to be moderated ;) |
| 01:04 | <SupaDongzu> | you should hold banning votes in dutch |
| 01:04 | <@mikegrb> | hmm |
| 01:05 | <@inkblot> | ja/nee |
| 01:06 | <@inkblot> | SupaDongzu, what was "i abstain"? |
| 01:07 | <@mikegrb> | 00:56 <comet_11> The worst thing about / haiku poems is that you / always run out of |
| 01:08 | <@inkblot> | good one |
| 01:10 | <You_Wish> | caker 911 |
| 01:10 | <You_Wish> | my ip fill down and they can't get up |
| 01:14 | <@inkblot> | You_Wish, can you log into your host and work at the console? |
| 01:15 | <You_Wish> | yup |
| 01:15 | <@inkblot> | ok |
| 01:15 | <You_Wish> | i just added 2 ips |
| 01:15 | <You_Wish> | but they are not coming up |
| 01:15 | <@inkblot> | have you rebooted? |
| 01:15 | <You_Wish> | yup |
| 01:15 | <You_Wish> | they /dns ok but no ssh connect |
| 01:15 | <@inkblot> | have you configured your system to use the two new addresses? |
| 01:16 | <You_Wish> | i used the up command on the control panel |
| 01:16 | <@inkblot> | no, i mean in your linode |
| 01:16 | <You_Wish> | hmm |
| 01:16 | <@inkblot> | the control panel can only provision addresses |
| 01:16 | <@inkblot> | it's up to you to actually configure your system to use them |
| 01:16 | <You_Wish> | dont think so |
| 01:16 | <You_Wish> | i just up them that is it |
| 01:17 | <@inkblot> | define "up them" |
| 01:17 | <@inkblot> | i have no idea what that means |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | i used this command |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | ifconfig eth0:1 [insert additional IP #1 here] netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | ifconfig eth0:2 [insert additional IP #2 here] netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 01:18 | <You_Wish> | i have 4 ips |
| 01:18 | <You_Wish> | the two new ones i cant connect using ssh |
| 01:18 | <@mikegrb> | oh |
| 01:18 | <@mikegrb> | try viewing the profile and clicking save with no changes |
| 01:18 | <@mikegrb> | though I think caker may have fixed that bug |
| 01:19 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 01:19 | <You_Wish> | will i have to reboot again |
| 01:20 | <@inkblot> | i believe so |
| 01:20 | <schweeb> | I'm not sure how caker assigns IPs, but you'll likely always have to reboot when you get a new IP |
| 01:20 | <You_Wish> | crap |
| 01:21 | <You_Wish> | two boots ouch |
| 01:21 | <@inkblot> | the ebtables have to be rebuilt for your interface |
| 01:21 | <schweeb> | he probably adds a eth1=tuntap,blah,mac:ad:dd:ress etc.... |
| 01:21 | <@inkblot> | and that happens when you reboot |
| 01:21 | <schweeb> | yea |
| 01:21 | <@inkblot> | schweeb, no, it's all eth0 |
| 01:21 | <@inkblot> | aliases |
| 01:21 | <schweeb> | aha |
| 01:21 | <@inkblot> | hence eth0:0, eth0:1, ... |
| 01:22 | <schweeb> | if you have to reboot anyways, it'd be just as easy to use a 2nd interface :p |
| 01:22 | <@inkblot> | schweeb, he's working on it |
| 01:23 | <schweeb> | I'm sure |
| 01:23 | <You_Wish> | yup i did this right hence eth0:0, eth0:1 |
| 01:24 | <You_Wish> | but i forgot about the save |
| 01:24 | <@inkblot> | ok |
| 01:24 | <schweeb> | I have to work on my image creation scripts for my UML stuff, as my perl skills basically disappeared over this last school term :-/ |
| 01:24 | <@mikegrb> | did that work? |
| 01:24 | <You_Wish> | i haven't rebooted |
| 01:24 | <You_Wish> | one time boot i was hoping not two |
| 01:26 | <schweeb> | yea, well if the ebtables don't get scheduled for a refresh until you reboot, there's no physical method for packets destined for your ip to show up to your linode |
| 01:28 | <schweeb> | hrm |
| 01:28 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 01:29 | <schweeb> | that doesnt really make sense though, ebtables happens L2, it shouldn't effect L3 packets, unless ebtables somehow factors into the L3 routing |
| 01:39 | <@inkblot> | schweeb, caker's got it set up so that people can only use the ips that have been provisioned to them |
| 01:39 | <schweeb> | hrm I'll have to figure out how that works |
| 01:40 | <@inkblot> | schweeb, and the blocking occurs in ebtables because the host bridges the linodes to eth0 |
| 01:40 | <schweeb> | right |
| 01:40 | <@inkblot> | i.e. directly to ethernet |
| 01:40 | <@inkblot> | no routing in between |
| 01:43 | <You_Wish> | dam everything died |
| 01:47 | <schweeb> | inkblot: ah, I figured it out. ebtables has arp functionality, and can therefore filter based on IP |
| 01:47 | <schweeb> | and ip functionality. whoa. |
| 01:48 | <schweeb> | so it's not strictly layer 2 like i thought |
| 01:50 | <@inkblot> | t/hee |
| 01:51 | <You_Wish> | crap |
| 01:52 | <You_Wish> | now only the new 2 ips and my 2 old ones dont |
| 01:52 | <You_Wish> | now only the new 2 ips work and my 2 old ones dont |
| 01:52 | <schweeb> | this is why thinking of things strictly using the OSI model is dangerous |
| 01:52 | <schweeb> | You_Wish: weird |
| 01:52 | <You_Wish> | anybody got ideas |
| 01:52 | <schweeb> | sighup: ping caker |
| 01:52 | <sighup> | caker: ping! ping! ping! |
| 01:52 | <sighup> | caker was last seen on #linode 4 hours, 50 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: afk for a bit [1075600938] |
| 01:54 | <schweeb> | you might be out of luck till like tomorrow You_Wish |
| 01:54 | <schweeb> | it is 2am EST |
| 01:54 | <You_Wish> | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:54 | <schweeb> | dunno if TN is EST or CST |
| 01:54 | <@inkblot> | EST |
| 01:54 | <@inkblot> | mostly, if not all |
| 01:54 | <@inkblot> | nashville for sure |
| 01:54 | <schweeb> | he's probly snoozing then |
| 03:11 | <@mikegrb> | nah |
| 03:11 | <@mikegrb> | he is in cst |
| 03:11 | <@mikegrb> | zone changes a bit further east |
| 03:11 | <@mikegrb> | east of knoxville even I think |
| 03:12 | <@mikegrb> | but it is 2am cst now so :p |
| 03:13 | <@inkblot> | i doubt that |
| 03:14 | <@inkblot> | oh |
| 03:14 | <@inkblot> | i guess the line takes a big eastward dive through kentucky |
| 03:14 | <@inkblot> | ha ha indiana |
| 03:14 | <@inkblot> | ha ha arizona |
| 03:15 | <schweeb> | indiana time suscks |
| 03:15 | <schweeb> | er sucks |
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| 03:21 | <@mikegrb> | ;) |
| 03:21 | <@mikegrb> | I've driven through the time zone change about 12 times |
| 03:22 | <@mikegrb> | there is a sign at the entrance to the county |
| 03:23 | <@inkblot> | i've gone through the CST/EST boundary many dozens of times |
| 03:23 | <@inkblot> | but not in tennessee |
| 03:25 | <@inkblot> | chicago <--> ann arbor |
| 03:25 | <schweeb> | I'm a Michigander |
| 03:25 | <schweeb> | but I tend to stay here |
| 03:25 | <@inkblot> | i am originally |
| 03:25 | <@inkblot> | but i've moved |
| 03:25 | <@inkblot> | <-- is |
| 03:25 | <@inkblot> | * * * * |
| 03:25 | <@inkblot> | chicago |
| 03:26 | <@inkblot> | the colors don't come through in the channel, do they? |
| 03:26 | <schweeb> | I know a couple of good people in chicago |
| 03:26 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 03:26 | <@mikegrb> | nope |
| 03:26 | <@inkblot> | screenshot coming |
| 03:26 | <schweeb> | lol |
| 03:26 | <@mikegrb> | heidi and I met in cookeville, tn before she was able to move out here |
| 03:27 | <@inkblot> | http://www.movealong.org/guh/chicag-flag-irc.png |
| 03:27 | <@inkblot> | erp |
| 03:28 | <@inkblot> | http://www.movealong.org/guh/chicago-flag-irc.png |
| 03:31 | <schweeb> | mikegrb: don't pimp linode in your profile pic or anything :P |
| 03:32 | <@inkblot> | ? |
| 03:32 | <@inkblot> | oh right |
| 03:32 | <schweeb> | on orkut |
| 03:38 | <@mikegrb> | schweeb: I have no clue what you are talking about ;) |
| 03:39 | <@mikegrb> | chris's left elbow is in that picture |
| 03:40 | <schweeb> | lol |
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| 03:40 | <@mikegrb> | 'night |
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| 08:34 | <You_Wish> | caker |
| 08:46 | <adamg> | morning all |
| 08:47 | <You_Wish> | morning |
| 08:47 | <You_Wish> | caker if you fixed my ip problem thanks |
| 08:51 | <@guinea-pig> | happy mailman day! |
| 08:51 | <You_Wish> | appy super bowl day |
| 08:52 | <@guinea-pig> | eh fuc dat |
| 08:52 | <@guinea-pig> | i won't be awake for the game |
| 08:52 | <@guinea-pig> | oh but... go pats! |
| 08:52 | * | guinea-pig always roots for the local boys |
| 08:52 | <@guinea-pig> | even if i don't give a damn about the sport :P |
| 08:52 | <@guinea-pig> | and on that note, i have a hunch Kerry will be president |
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| 09:30 | <hawk> | hi there |
| 09:30 | <hawk> | hi caker |
| 09:31 | <hawk> | I have a question... about DNS server |
| 09:31 | <adamg> | ok |
| 09:32 | <hawk> | My domain registrar says that the dns server i am running on linode is not registered |
| 09:32 | <hawk> | i think because reverse dns does not work |
| 09:32 | <adamg> | yes you need to register domain servers |
| 09:33 | <hawk> | it is creating prob |
| 09:33 | <adamg> | it has nothing to do with reverse dns |
| 09:33 | <hawk> | where do i register my dns |
| 09:33 | <adamg> | the registrar where you registered the domain should give you the option to create name servers |
| 09:34 | <hawk> | there is some confusion about this |
| 09:34 | <adamg> | where did you register the domain that you are going to use as the nameservers |
| 09:36 | <hawk> | I registered from a reseller who gets it registered from onlinenic.com |
| 09:37 | <adamg> | http://onlinenic.com/english/faqs/dommgmt_faq.html#05 |
| 09:47 | ~ | ChanServ set +o adamg on #linode |
| 09:48 | <hawk> | hmm thank you adamg |
| 09:48 | <@adamg> | np |
| 10:03 | <hawk> | :-) |
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| 13:43 | <@adamg> | :-( |
| 13:44 | <@mikegrb> | :-( |
| 13:44 | <@mikegrb> | what are we upset about? |
| 13:45 | <@adamg> | dont know |
| 13:45 | <@adamg> | just felt like typing something |
| 13:45 | <@mikegrb> | ahh |
| 13:46 | <@adamg> | I have actaully managed to get some coding done today |
| 13:48 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 13:50 | <@adamg> | and my database keeps getting bigger |
| 13:52 | <@mikegrb> | they have a tendancy of doing that |
| 13:53 | <@adamg> | they they do, but I keep adding more and more tables as well |
| 13:53 | <@mikegrb> | right heh |
| 13:55 | <@adamg> | at least by the end of today people will actually be able to purchase an item |
| 13:56 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 13:57 | <@mikegrb> | but then can they use it ;) |
| 13:57 | <@adamg> | no |
| 13:57 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 13:57 | <@adamg> | one thing at a time |
| 13:58 | <@mikegrb> | indeed |
| 13:58 | <@adamg> | but it should not take to long to make it so they can do things |
| 14:48 | <@adamg> | sighup ping caker |
| 14:48 | <sighup> | caker: ping! ping! ping! |
| 14:48 | <sighup> | caker was last seen on #linode 17 hours, 46 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: afk for a bit [1075600938] |
| 14:52 | <@inkblot> | elfstone's msg whining |
| 14:54 | <dmp> | ooh, do post |
| 14:54 | <@adamg> | no dont post |
| 14:55 | * | dmp sighs |
| 14:57 | <@inkblot> | http://www.movealong.org/guh/msg-whining.log |
| 14:57 | <@inkblot> | a compromise |
| 14:58 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 15:00 | <@guinea-pig> | my response to that is it's not caker's channel, anyway :P |
| 15:00 | <@inkblot> | eh |
| 15:00 | <@inkblot> | ? |
| 15:00 | <@guinea-pig> | [15:00][15:00] -ChanServ- Founder: guinea-pig (orion@parsed.net) |
| 15:00 | <@inkblot> | nutty |
| 15:01 | <@guinea-pig> | but i just stay out of the way and let everyone think it's his :) |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:10 <=mikegrb> I'll stop if you think I should |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:10 <=caker> what's going on? |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:10 <=mikegrb> I dunno |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:10 <=mikegrb> I think heidi started it |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=mikegrb> asked why he is here if he doesn't have a linode |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=caker> hehe |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=mikegrb> just general elfstone bashing Lp |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=caker> he's entertaining, and we're teaching him stuff |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=mikegrb> er :p |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=mikegrb> indeed |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=caker> let him hang with the big boys :) |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=mikegrb> I'm not asking him to leave or anything |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=mikegrb> just feeding him |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=caker> ya |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=caker> that's ok :) |
| 15:04 | <@mikegrb> | 22:11 <=caker> I trust you guys |
| 15:05 | <@mikegrb> | that was the conversation |
| 15:05 | <@mikegrb> | didn't mention banning |
| 15:05 | <schweeb> | hahahaha |
| 15:05 | <@inkblot> | ok then |
| 15:06 | <@inkblot> | i guess if caker doesn't unban him, he stays banned |
| 15:06 | <schweeb> | he's still on oftc, too |
| 15:07 | <@inkblot> | yes, yes he is |
| 15:08 | ~ | adamg set -o adamg on #linode |
| 15:11 | <heidi> | hmm |
| 15:40 | <SupaDongzu> | haha |
| 15:40 | <SupaDongzu> | ha ha elfstone |
| 15:42 | <schweeb> | lol |
| 15:56 | <@mikegrb> | howdy supda |
| 15:56 | <@mikegrb> | er supa |
| 16:08 | <schweeb> | neat |
| 16:08 | * | mikegrb gives schweeb a cupcake |
| 16:08 | <schweeb> | I'm now connected to rik van riel through orkut. there's a hell of a lot of people on here :D |
| 16:09 | <@mikegrb> | rik van riel? |
| 16:09 | <schweeb> | btw, his wife looks pretty hot ;) |
| 16:09 | <schweeb> | does work on the VM in the kernel |
| 16:09 | <@mikegrb> | ahh |
| 16:09 | <@inkblot> | he wrote the vm in 2.4 |
| 16:09 | <@guinea-pig> | miguel de icaza's only a few hops away |
| 16:09 | <@inkblot> | i think it was included as of 2.4.10 |
| 16:09 | <@inkblot> | or thereabouts |
| 16:09 | <schweeb> | yea, miguel is in there too |
| 16:10 | <@inkblot> | so am i |
| 16:10 | <@inkblot> | and seth |
| 16:10 | <@inkblot> | (seth david schoen) |
| 16:10 | <schweeb> | who's that? |
| 16:10 | <@guinea-pig> | seth's more famous than you, surely |
| 16:10 | <@guinea-pig> | WHO'S THAT?>!$#!< |
| 16:10 | <@inkblot> | surely he is |
| 16:11 | <schweeb> | I don't exactly carry around a list of OSS guys or anything |
| 16:11 | <@guinea-pig> | may i suggest googling for "floating ascii head" |
| 16:11 | <@inkblot> | ha ha |
| 16:11 | <@guinea-pig> | and please "feel lucky" |
| 16:11 | <@inkblot> | guinea-pig, you've seen my interpretation of that meme, right? |
| 16:11 | <@guinea-pig> | inkblot: possibly. can't remember |
| 16:11 | <@inkblot> | http://www.movealong.org/guh/sethsuit-floating.jpg |
| 16:12 | <schweeb> | and who would you be, inkblot ? :p |
| 16:12 | <@inkblot> | Nate Riffe |
| 16:12 | <@guinea-pig> | oh yeah. i saw that |
| 16:12 | <@guinea-pig> | it's great |
| 16:12 | <@inkblot> | (not well known.... yet) |
| 16:12 | <@guinea-pig> | I KNOW YOU! |
| 16:12 | <schweeb> | hrm |
| 16:12 | <schweeb> | I had a teacher named Riffe |
| 16:12 | <schweeb> | he was a huge prick. |
| 16:12 | <schweeb> | :P |
| 16:12 | <@inkblot> | did you go to Kettering? |
| 16:12 | <schweeb> | ya |
| 16:13 | ! | schweeb was kicked from #linode by inkblot (that's my dad you ass hole) |
| 16:13 | <@guinea-pig> | hahah |
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| 16:13 | <schweeb> | hahahahaha |
| 16:13 | <schweeb> | hahaha |
| 16:13 | <schweeb> | haha |
| 16:13 | <schweeb> | that's awesome |
| 16:13 | <schweeb> | nah, he wasn't that bad |
| 16:13 | <@guinea-pig> | my dad's a prick too |
| 16:13 | <@inkblot> | i know |
| 16:13 | <schweeb> | but everyone else disliked him |
| 16:13 | <schweeb> | what a small world |
| 16:14 | <schweeb> | seriously though, IME100 was a waste of my time |
| 16:14 | <@inkblot> | it's an intro class |
| 16:14 | <schweeb> | I'm a computer engineer. not a mech or industrial |
| 16:14 | <@inkblot> | all intro classes are a waste of time |
| 16:14 | <@guinea-pig> | small world is being connected to someone in the same town by way of someone on the opposite coast |
| 16:15 | <schweeb> | http://bugs.lnx-bbc.org/bugs/db/ma/lNate_Riffe,inkblot,movealong.org,.html |
| 16:16 | <@inkblot> | that is correct |
| 16:16 | <@inkblot> | so Dr. Riffe has high standards and high hopes for his students |
| 16:16 | <@inkblot> | he is often dissappointed |
| 16:16 | <schweeb> | lol |
| 16:16 | <@inkblot> | but he keeps on trying |
| 16:17 | <@inkblot> | gotta give him that |
| 16:17 | <@guinea-pig> | as well he should |
| 16:17 | <@guinea-pig> | if people weren't pricks we'd never get their work done for them |
| 16:18 | <@guinea-pig> | ugh. i lost my cursor |
| 16:18 | <schweeb> | inkblot: what sucks is there's no one really into Linux/OSS at Kettering |
| 16:18 | <@inkblot> | the zombie ate it |
| 16:18 | <schweeb> | it's pretty much just me. |
| 16:18 | <SupaDongzu> | ha ha bugs.lnx-bbc.org |
| 16:18 | <@inkblot> | found a lug |
| 16:18 | <@inkblot> | you never know what you'll get |
| 16:18 | <schweeb> | MDLUG is gay |
| 16:18 | <@guinea-pig> | crazed maniacs |
| 16:18 | <@inkblot> | i did at depaul when i thought i was the only one |
| 16:19 | <@guinea-pig> | from the woodwork they came forth |
| 16:19 | <@inkblot> | they sure did |
| 16:19 | <schweeb> | heh, yea he had mentioned to the class that you went to DePaul once or twice |
| 16:19 | <@guinea-pig> | inkblot: you're famous! |
| 16:19 | <@inkblot> | ha ha |
| 16:19 | <@inkblot> | did he mention where my brother was? |
| 16:20 | <schweeb> | there's no chance of there being enough people for a lug at Kettering |
| 16:20 | <schweeb> | inkblot: I don't remember that was 3 terms ago |
| 16:20 | <@inkblot> | dude, i started the one at depaul with just me and another guy |
| 16:20 | <schweeb> | I just hang out with all the Linux guys in Detroit |
| 16:20 | <@inkblot> | i see |
| 16:21 | <schweeb> | a little far though |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | i was on the washtenaw lug mailing list for a while |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | ann arbor |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | that was about seven years ago |
| 16:22 | <schweeb> | I do know the IT dept there was interested in starting a LUG, but I'm not real friendly with them, as they're morons |
| 16:22 | <@inkblot> | infiltrate |
| 16:22 | <@guinea-pig> | overthrow |
| 16:22 | <@inkblot> | they will always be morons unless you start working there |
| 16:23 | <@inkblot> | that's basically what happened at depaul |
| 16:23 | <@inkblot> | infiltration by dlug |
| 16:23 | <@inkblot> | muahahahaha |
| 16:23 | <schweeb> | I connected a switch up to the network, and somehow they found out, and shut off my network port. |
| 16:23 | <schweeb> | i was pissed. |
| 16:23 | <@inkblot> | yeah, that stuff is super easy to detect |
| 16:23 | <@guinea-pig> | they don't like switches? |
| 16:24 | <schweeb> | they claimed it was a router |
| 16:24 | <@guinea-pig> | they don't like routers? |
| 16:24 | <@inkblot> | "somehow" means seeing traffic from multiple IPs on a single port |
| 16:24 | <schweeb> | and that it was DHCPing IP addresses to people |
| 16:24 | <@inkblot> | private net |
| 16:24 | <@guinea-pig> | ahhh the dhcp issue |
| 16:24 | <schweeb> | even though it wasn't. |
| 16:24 | <@inkblot> | network address translation |
| 16:24 | <@inkblot> | no problem |
| 16:24 | <@inkblot> | switch == death |
| 16:24 | <@guinea-pig> | nat's da bomb |
| 16:24 | <schweeb> | I know all about NAT |
| 16:24 | <schweeb> | meh |
| 16:25 | <schweeb> | NAT is meh. |
| 16:25 | <@inkblot> | it is |
| 16:25 | <@inkblot> | but it's a good survival strategy on a dorm network |
| 16:25 | <@inkblot> | or when you get your own place and don't want to pay for an IP block |
| 16:25 | <@guinea-pig> | or for ISPs who say you can only connect one computer to the cable modem |
| 16:25 | <@inkblot> | ha ha @ u |
| 16:26 | <@guinea-pig> | and it's not in the sense that it will/won't work... it's in the TOS |
| 16:26 | * | guinea-pig doesn't want to test it |
| 16:27 | <schweeb> | my ISP only gives 1 IP, but encourages setting up a NAT router |
| 17:32 | <sinned> | NAT is awesome |
| 17:33 | <@inkblot> | it is not |
| 17:33 | <@inkblot> | it's a hack |
| 17:33 | <@inkblot> | a useful one, but still |
| 17:35 | <dmp> | I agree, it is an ugly hack |
| 17:35 | <sinned> | how is it a hack? |
| 17:35 | <dmp> | especially for protocols which can't accommodate it |
| 17:35 | <dmp> | like DCC, FTP non-passive etc |
| 17:35 | <sinned> | ftp and dcc are retarded protocols |
| 17:35 | <schweeb> | very ugly |
| 17:35 | <dmp> | well, yes and no |
| 17:35 | <schweeb> | I hate NAT except where it's necessary |
| 17:36 | <@guinea-pig> | i have no problem with FTP and DCC behind NAT |
| 17:36 | <schweeb> | DCC is kinda nasty at times |
| 17:36 | <sinned> | i don't see any reason to give real internet IPs to your computers |
| 17:36 | <sinned> | unless you're running an internet server of some kind |
| 17:36 | <dmp> | guinea-pig, Then you either have a router which handles them automatically or the linux kernel masq stuff loaded |
| 17:36 | <@guinea-pig> | linux of course :D |
| 17:37 | <dmp> | there are kernel 'helper' modules for it then |
| 17:37 | <sinned> | why would you want people on the internet to be able to initiate a connection with your computer |
| 17:37 | <@guinea-pig> | i know |
| 17:37 | <schweeb> | sinned: because that's how the internet works |
| 17:37 | <dmp> | agreed |
| 17:37 | <schweeb> | sinned: it's your responsibility to make sure unauthorized access doesn't occur |
| 17:37 | <schweeb> | sinned: you shouldn't have to work to make AUTHORIZED access occur |
| 17:37 | <sinned> | how can you authorize access if you don't initiate it? |
| 17:38 | <dmp> | by filtering it when it occurs |
| 17:38 | <dmp> | is xyz.com allowed to connect to that? |
| 17:38 | <@guinea-pig> | you initiate it by making it available in the first place :P |
| 17:38 | <schweeb> | something like that... |
| 17:38 | <schweeb> | ^^^^ |
| 17:38 | <sinned> | what possible use do you have for allowing a client computer to have connections opened to it un-interactively |
| 17:38 | <@inkblot> | my laptop has users |
| 17:38 | <@inkblot> | haw haw haw |
| 17:39 | <@guinea-pig> | client-server definitions are a bit wonky |
| 17:39 | <schweeb> | sinned: plenty of stuff... p2p, IM, dcc, webcams, VoIP |
| 17:39 | <@inkblot> | [inkblot@sausage:~][inkblot@sausage:~]$ ls -l /home/ |
| 17:39 | <@inkblot> | total 12 |
| 17:39 | <@inkblot> | drwxr-xr-x 43 inkblot inkblot 4096 Feb 1 12:24 inkblot |
| 17:39 | <@inkblot> | drwxr-xr-x 3 kallen kallen 4096 Jan 10 2003 kallen |
| 17:39 | <@inkblot> | drwxr-xr-x 2 pedro pedro 4096 Jan 2 2003 pedro |
| 17:39 | <@inkblot> | i've ssh'd into my friend's laptop before to look at his pcmcia setup |
| 17:39 | <@inkblot> | because mine is horribly horribly broken |
| 17:39 | <schweeb> | bottom line: NAT is an ugly hack |
| 17:39 | <@inkblot> | yep |
| 17:40 | <schweeb> | if you don't want your machines directly accessible, use a proxy |
| 17:40 | <sinned> | that's what nat is |
| 17:40 | <@inkblot> | used to be the only thing stopping people from running servers was the decision to not run a server |
| 17:40 | <schweeb> | NAT is less configurable |
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