| --- | Log | opened Wed Jan 28 00:00:33 2004 |
| 00:33 | <@mikegrb> | schweeb: time to break out the difibulator and resuscitate |
| 00:33 | <@mikegrb> | how many hops between you and your linode, and are ping times normally good? |
| 00:34 | <@mikegrb> | this is a new problem, right? |
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| 00:52 | <schweeb> | yea, it's a new problem |
| 00:54 | <schweeb> | 13 hops |
| 00:55 | <schweeb> | and ~85ms pings |
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| 01:25 | <@caker> | schweeb: I just connected to a shell on your machine... |
| 01:28 | <schweeb> | yea, shells work |
| 01:28 | <schweeb> | it's been behaving the last 20 mins or so again, I restarted all the courier daemons |
| 01:30 | <schweeb> | IMAPS was disconnecting like a fiend earlier though, which is new to like today, and I've had courier running the whole last month straight, with an email client connected almost constantly, no problems. |
| 01:31 | <schweeb> | just tryin to help you diagnose any problems there may be. the mail servers are getting switched over to my dedicated server tomorrow, if I can get a few UMLs running on it |
| 01:31 | <schweeb> | so I'm not too concerned. |
| 01:34 | <@caker> | strange .. hard to dismiss as just a network problem |
| 01:36 | <ElfStone> | i love bncs |
| 01:36 | <schweeb> | bah. nother dead ssh. |
| 01:38 | <@caker> | hmm, mine was idle, and is still connected |
| 01:38 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 01:39 | <ElfStone> | ssh is a pain |
| 01:39 | <ElfStone> | never wants to stay connected |
| 01:40 | <sinned> | i've never had that problem |
| 01:40 | <sinned> | i've never had an ssh session drop by itself |
| 01:40 | <sinned> | unless the entire network dropped from the remote host |
| 01:40 | <ElfStone> | i have |
| 01:40 | <ElfStone> | timeouts |
| 01:41 | <sinned> | what ssh software are you using |
| 01:41 | <sinned> | and what kind of networks are you using it over? |
| 01:41 | <ElfStone> | openssgh |
| 01:41 | <ElfStone> | openssh |
| 01:41 | <ElfStone> | it is 100mbit to gigabit |
| 01:41 | <sinned> | wow |
| 01:42 | <sinned> | strange |
| 01:42 | <ElfStone> | i am connecting to the server over dialup |
| 01:42 | <sinned> | oh, dialup |
| 01:42 | <ElfStone> | the server is 100mbit to gigabit |
| 01:42 | <sinned> | back in the day i never had a problem with ssh over dialup though |
| 01:42 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 01:42 | <schweeb> | I'm connecting over 3Mb Cable -> linode |
| 01:42 | <ElfStone> | at least i dun use ao, |
| 01:42 | <ElfStone> | *aol |
| 01:42 | <ElfStone> | the server is not a linode |
| 01:42 | <ElfStone> | i do not own it |
| 01:43 | <ElfStone> | but i have admin to it |
| 01:43 | <ElfStone> | the sysadmin was sick of me asking him to do stuff |
| 01:44 | <sinned> | even with putty.exe as a client i never get ssh timeouts |
| 01:49 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 01:49 | <ElfStone> | mirc is not ipv6 frenidly |
| 01:54 | <ElfStone> | sinned you use ipv6? |
| 02:51 | <@guinea-sleep> | who's the one in the .mil here? |
| 03:00 | guinea-sleep | is now known as guinea-work |
| 03:18 | <sinned> | elfstone no |
| 03:18 | <sinned> | i have an ipv6 block assigned from HE for my linode |
| 03:19 | <sinned> | and my friends have ipv6 addresses too |
| 03:19 | <sinned> | but none of us run any applications that use ipv6 |
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| 05:01 | NeXTer[zZzZ] | is now known as NeXTer |
| 05:01 | <NeXTer> | Morning |
| 05:01 | <eadz> | evening :) |
| 05:04 | <NeXTer> | No, I'm quite sure it's morning |
| 05:04 | <eadz> | Wednesday evening here :) |
| 05:16 | <NeXTer> | Damn aussies, always getting ahead of the times... Up to no good, not a single one of them I tell you! |
| 05:18 | <eadz> | I agree! bunch of fly swatting crocodile hunters |
| 05:18 | <eadz> | who can't spell beer |
| 05:18 | <NeXTer> | Ah, so you're YABA? |
| 05:18 | <eadz> | YABA ? YABA DABA DO DA? |
| 05:19 | <NeXTer> | And I can't spell either... Just another bloody Aucklander |
| 05:20 | <NeXTer> | I'd better go do something about my tea so I stand a sliver of a chance of waking up today... |
| 05:20 | <eadz> | actually I'm not in Auckland, but coromandel.. |
| 05:22 | <NeXTer> | Bah, I should stop with these guessing games, I'm no good at them :/ |
| 05:23 | <eadz> | heh |
| 05:23 | <NeXTer> | I'll blame it on too much blood in my teastream... |
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| 11:24 | <eurozip> | any one know how to install a jet direct postscript printer with lpadmin on solaris 8? |
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| 11:51 | <ElfStone> | hey if you "had" to use windows what would you use |
| 11:51 | <ElfStone> | xp 2k or 98(not se) |
| 11:52 | <NeXTer> | I use XP |
| 11:52 | <@inkblot> | dongs |
| 11:52 | <ElfStone> | .i am about to refromat so i figure i would ask |
| 11:52 | <NeXTer> | With the proper "motivation" (read: sledgehammer treatment) it gets me places Linux can't at the moment |
| 11:53 | <ElfStone> | yea |
| 11:53 | <ElfStone> | i need it for school |
| 11:53 | <ElfStone> | and for this one game i play |
| 11:53 | <NeXTer> | I use it because I need something that just works without getting in my way |
| 11:54 | <@inkblot> | surely your school has student computer laboratories with appropriately lobotomized machines |
| 11:54 | <eurozip> | looks as if you have to build it |
| 11:54 | <eurozip> | mdk NeXTer |
| 11:55 | <ElfStone> | inkblot no |
| 11:55 | <NeXTer> | eurozip: Uhm, no |
| 11:55 | <@inkblot> | where the hell do you go to school, then? |
| 11:55 | <@inkblot> | croatia? |
| 11:55 | <ElfStone> | No |
| 11:55 | <ElfStone> | my school favors macs |
| 11:56 | <@inkblot> | well then you probably need a Mac for school, not windows |
| 11:56 | <@inkblot> | and that means there are labs you can use |
| 11:56 | <ElfStone> | inkblot no lol there is isn;t a lab |
| 11:56 | <ElfStone> | but i need office for school |
| 11:57 | <eurozip> | http://tokyojim.com/cups.html |
| 11:57 | <eurozip> | good page |
| 12:00 | <@adamg> | sighup ping EFudd |
| 12:00 | <sighup> | EFudd: ping! ping! ping! |
| 12:00 | <sighup> | EFudd was last seen on #linode 12 hours, 48 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: i'm still getting 3 requests/second for that dumb file :) [1075263119] |
| 12:25 | <NeXTer> | The other side of the problem is that the apps I enjoy working with don't really have any counterparts in Linux, and no, I don't enjoy screwing around with CrossOver/WINE all that much |
| 12:27 | <NeXTer> | I do run Debian on my four servers though |
| 12:29 | <shakr> | vmware? |
| 12:30 | <NeXTer> | I find it kinda silly to fire up a virtual computer for webbrowsing, email, IM, PS... Not to mention the occasional game |
| 12:31 | <shakr> | why not set up a real windows box then if you must have all those apps in windows? |
| 12:32 | <NeXTer> | A workstation running XP doesn't qualify as "a real windows box"? |
| 12:33 | <shakr> | i missed the original problem, it sounded like you didnt have the hardware or whatever to set one up. and yes it would be |
| 12:34 | <NeXTer> | Scroll up a page or two... Or are you one of those weird people who use /clear every ten minutes? |
| 12:35 | <shakr> | i skimmed :p must have confused you and ElfStone |
| 12:36 | <shakr> | but if xp is the preferred platform, then how about linux under vmware |
| 12:38 | <NeXTer> | Well, one of my servers doubles as a "not-quite-workstation" |
| 12:38 | <NeXTer> | For IRC, additional browsing, and having a whole bunch of SSH sessions open to the other servers |
| 12:49 | <shakr> | yeah i use xp primarily as well, people who run linux on the desktop confuse me |
| 12:58 | <NeXTer> | It kind of bugs me that browsing, email and IM should be things I have to keep on the workstation, seeing as those are areas where *nix are traditionally strong... |
| 13:01 | <NeXTer> | I guess the first two bits might change once Firebird and Thunderbird reach maturity. But for IM I just don't see anything that can compete with Miranda UI-wise |
| 13:02 | <NeXTer> | SIM could possibly get there in another major revision or two |
| 13:33 | * | adamg wonders what that person asking about adult hosting is trying to get at |
| 13:34 | <@caker> | no kidding :) |
| 13:36 | <ElfStone> | O.o |
| 13:36 | * | ElfStone wonders why his pc ios being a bitch |
| 13:37 | * | caker deploys a cleanup script that removes old accounts from machines |
| 13:37 | <NeXTer> | I _could_ comment on that, but it'd be like shooting fish in a barrel... |
| 13:37 | <@adamg> | well he seems to be trying to hint at something |
| 13:38 | <NeXTer> | ElfStone: You shouldn't give such obvious openings :P |
| 13:38 | <@caker> | I was afraid to ask what that guy was thinking |
| 13:39 | <@caker> | "Sure, I'm doing _blahblah_" |
| 13:39 | <@adamg> | no doubt you will find out if they signup |
| 13:39 | <NeXTer> | It'll probably be with a stolen CC anyway... |
| 13:39 | <@caker> | heh |
| 13:40 | <@caker> | I disabled a spammer yesterday |
| 13:41 | <@adamg> | nice |
| 13:41 | <@adamg> | well that is nearly all my bw used for this month |
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| 14:07 | ElfStone | is now known as Elf|Away |
| 14:07 | Elf|Away | is now known as ElfStone |
| 14:08 | * | ElfStone is away: reformateing |
| 14:08 | ElfStone | is now known as Ham|CDBurn |
| 14:08 | Ham|CDBurn | is now known as ElfStone |
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| 14:08 | <ElfStone> | grr |
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| 15:19 | <@adamg> | caker is that fav ico new? |
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| 15:43 | <@caker> | adamg: nope .. been there since July or so |
| 15:45 | <@adamg> | only just noticed it in the ie address bar |
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| 15:56 | <@adamg> | sighup linode forums |
| 15:56 | <sighup> | adamg: General Discussion: disk space; Sales Questions and Answers: adult hosting; /dev/random: Boy these boards are quiet ...; General Discussion: /dev/random not being seeded; Linux Networking: Using MRTG to monitor CPU/Memory Usage. |
| 16:07 | <@guinea-work> | eww favico |
| 16:07 | <@guinea-work> | caker: do you reference the favico anywhere, or just rely on stupid browsers to assume it's there and try to load it? |
| 16:08 | <@guinea-work> | 'cuz not all browsers are stupid. some only look for it if it's mentioned in teh html :D |
| 16:11 | <@caker> | no mention of it anywhere -- I just assumed IE requested it when someone made a bookmark |
| 16:12 | <EFudd> | man |
| 16:12 | <EFudd> | i'm gonna have to pull that file out |
| 16:13 | <EFudd> | i'm almost over quota on my other machine :P |
| 16:14 | <EFudd> | cat snowtowcar.wmv |
| 16:14 | <EFudd> | Sorry. This file has been removed. |
| 16:15 | <EFudd> | egrep -ic snowtowcar.wmv /var/log/apache2/access_log |
| 16:15 | <EFudd> | 30172 |
| 16:18 | <@guinea-work> | ie requests it pretty much everytime it loads a page |
| 16:19 | <@guinea-work> | mozilla derivatives can be told whether or not to |
| 16:19 | <EFudd> | total transferred: 412Gb |
| 16:19 | <@guinea-work> | whoa |
| 16:19 | <@guinea-work> | i thought you disabled it? |
| 16:19 | <EFudd> | i setup mirrors |
| 16:19 | <@guinea-work> | ah |
| 16:19 | <EFudd> | then just redirected a while |
| 16:19 | <EFudd> | but i just looked and had 12 connections/second |
| 16:19 | <EFudd> | was time to shut down |
| 16:20 | <EFudd> | the redirector did almost 700MB |
| 16:20 | <EFudd> | if that gives you any idea :) |
| 16:33 | <@mikegrb> | EFudd: I did 21gb |
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| 16:40 | <EFudd> | heh |
| 16:43 | <EFudd> | mike, /nods. the 412Gb is total transferred based on my own + referral counts |
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| 16:45 | <@mikegrb> | ahh |
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| 17:27 | <ElfStone> | tjfontaine: you therE? |
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| 17:36 | <Strikeh> | lo... anybody about who could help me with something regarding general membership? |
| 17:36 | Strikeh | is now known as Incutio |
| 17:37 | <@caker> | Incutio: hello |
| 17:37 | <@caker> | Incutio: I sent you your activation email a few minutes ago |
| 17:37 | <Incutio> | nvm |
| 17:38 | <Incutio> | I did something stupid and didn't realize usernames were case-sensitive |
| 17:38 | <Incutio> | ta though |
| 17:38 | <@caker> | actually, I had to activate your account before it was going to let you in |
| 17:38 | <@caker> | at any rate, welcome to the club |
| 17:38 | <Incutio> | oic, ta |
| 17:38 | <Incutio> | it doesn't exactly indicate that in the pre-registration emails just fyi |
| 17:39 | <Incutio> | and I've got one dumb question actually |
| 17:39 | <@caker> | There is a small notice on the last step, perhaps I should make it bolder .. |
| 17:39 | <Incutio> | ne idea if 64 mb RAM will be enough to run GNUworld? |
| 17:39 | <@caker> | sure |
| 17:39 | <Incutio> | I've run it before but all the systems had like 256 mb |
| 17:39 | <@caker> | sounds like it |
| 17:39 | <Incutio> | the stupid resource-hog it is |
| 17:40 | <@caker> | I've never used it .. |
| 17:40 | <@caker> | Memory usage: Efforts are made to create software that uses as little physical memory as possible. However, we will always prefer a reliable product to one that uses very little memory. |
| 17:40 | <Incutio> | its the best irc services available |
| 17:41 | <Incutio> | but its crap to configure compared to others |
| 17:41 | <Incutio> | thanks m8 |
| 17:42 | <@caker> | np |
| 17:46 | Incutio | is now known as Strikeh |
| 17:48 | <Strikeh> | caker still about? |
| 17:49 | <Strikeh> | Just wondering what 'disk image size' and 'select swap' really do |
| 17:50 | <NeXTer> | How big your partitions are |
| 17:52 | <NeXTer> | 128-256 MB Swap and the rest as ext3 |
| 17:52 | <Strikeh> | kk |
| 17:52 | <Strikeh> | thx |
| 17:53 | <Strikeh> | immediately after I finish building an actually good mIRC bot I find this |
| 17:53 | <Strikeh> | now I've got more to do ;-p |
| 18:03 | <ElfStone> | Oh shit |
| 18:03 | <ElfStone> | someone is buying sco shares >.< |
| 18:07 | <@adamg> | caker: it looks like you are going to have a big bw bill this month |
| 18:07 | <@caker> | yup :) |
| 18:08 | <@adamg> | god knows how much in total is going to be down to the video clip |
| 18:09 | <ElfStone> | caker, do you get charged for bw? |
| 18:09 | <@caker> | ElfStone: yes, of course |
| 18:09 | <ElfStone> | i thouuugth you had unmetered |
| 18:09 | <@caker> | nope |
| 18:09 | <ElfStone> | how much extra would tahtc ost |
| 18:09 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 18:09 | <@adamg> | would what cost |
| 18:09 | <ElfStone> | an unmetered rack |
| 18:10 | <@adamg> | you can have un-metered on a fixed line |
| 18:10 | <@adamg> | so you could pay for a 1 meg connection and have unmetered on that |
| 18:10 | <@adamg> | but that is only something like 360 meg |
| 18:10 | <ElfStone> | yea |
| 18:10 | <ElfStone> | i mean |
| 18:10 | <ElfStone> | at he |
| 18:10 | <ElfStone> | i knwo they off unmetered |
| 18:11 | <ElfStone> | *offer |
| 18:12 | <@adamg> | the problem with unmetered connections is that it usually removes the burtablility |
| 18:13 | <@caker> | HE has unmetered (100mbit) racks for $2500 .. no cross connects, only 15amp power |
| 18:14 | <@adamg> | not bad |
| 18:14 | <@adamg> | perfect for mirrors etc |
| 18:15 | <@adamg> | sighup (2500/100)/360 |
| 18:15 | <sighup> | 0.0694444444444444 |
| 18:15 | <@adamg> | hmm about 7 cents a gig |
| 18:16 | <@adamg> | sighup 360*100 |
| 18:16 | <sighup> | 36000 |
| 18:16 | <@adamg> | but only good if you need 36000 gig a month |
| 18:17 | <@adamg> | which what about 35 tb |
| 18:18 | <EFudd> | .7c/gig? |
| 18:18 | <EFudd> | i'll take 100 ! |
| 18:18 | <@adamg> | heh |
| 18:18 | <@adamg> | would be nice |
| 18:18 | <EFudd> | egrep -ic snowtowcar.wmv /var/log/apache2/access_log |
| 18:18 | <EFudd> | 32216 |
| 18:19 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 18:19 | <ElfStone> | caker, mever mind then |
| 18:19 | <@adamg> | it is a good deal but only if you needed that sort of bandwidth |
| 18:20 | <ElfStone> | sorgeforce |
| 18:20 | <ElfStone> | they prob do |
| 18:20 | <@adamg> | baring in mind you are limited to about 6/7 servers and a switch |
| 18:20 | <@adamg> | it is a good deal for things like mirrors |
| 18:20 | <ElfStone> | tea |
| 18:20 | <ElfStone> | 2500 a month is alot |
| 18:20 | <ElfStone> | for me anyways |
| 18:20 | <@adamg> | ElfStone: it is not that much |
| 18:20 | <@adamg> | not if you need that amount of bandwidth |
| 18:21 | <ElfStone> | it costs near $1000 for a oc-3 line |
| 18:21 | <@caker> | from where?! |
| 18:21 | <@adamg> | which is what 45 meg |
| 18:21 | <ElfStone> | O.o |
| 18:21 | <ElfStone> | yea |
| 18:21 | <ElfStone> | caker, ho wmuch is it ussaly? |
| 18:21 | <@adamg> | I would be suprissed |
| 18:21 | <EFudd> | # Total: 36.4 GB |
| 18:21 | <EFudd> | man |
| 18:21 | <EFudd> | close to going over on my backup server too :) |
| 18:21 | <@adamg> | the only place you can get cheap bw like that is cogent |
| 18:22 | <ElfStone> | LOL they are evil |
| 18:22 | <@adamg> | but not that cheap |
| 18:22 | <@adamg> | there is nothing wrong with cogent |
| 18:22 | <@adamg> | it is a good network |
| 18:22 | <ElfStone> | tea |
| 18:22 | <ElfStone> | yea |
| 18:22 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 18:22 | <ElfStone> | fine |
| 18:22 | <ElfStone> | $2000 for a oc-3 |
| 18:22 | <@adamg> | the reason cogent have a bad name is beacause people who use them usually oversubscribe the line and thus it seems shite |
| 18:22 | <ElfStone> | how much for a gigabit line i wonder |
| 18:23 | <@adamg> | ElfStone: are you just making up numbers |
| 18:23 | <ElfStone> | adamg, no |
| 18:23 | <@adamg> | cogent is $1000 for 100 meg |
| 18:23 | <ElfStone> | was looking a a pricerange chart |
| 18:23 | <Strikeh> | adamg if we have a domain on another nameserver |
| 18:24 | <Strikeh> | where should we move it to? |
| 18:24 | <@adamg> | how do you mean Strikeh |
| 18:24 | <@adamg> | move the domain to other nameservers or repoint it |
| 18:24 | <ElfStone> | here i can get lines from adelphia att verizon mci |
| 18:24 | <ElfStone> | sprint |
| 18:24 | <Strikeh> | I own elitistnation.net |
| 18:24 | <@adamg> | right |
| 18:24 | <Strikeh> | I want it completely based off of my vps with u guys |
| 18:24 | <Strikeh> | so what do I do |
| 18:24 | <ElfStone> | use bined |
| 18:24 | <@adamg> | you need to either set-up a name server |
| 18:24 | <ElfStone> | and webmin |
| 18:24 | <@adamg> | or use an external service |
| 18:24 | <ElfStone> | or edit the files directly |
| 18:25 | <Strikeh> | ne hints as to how to start a set-up a name server? |
| 18:25 | <@adamg> | alot of people use zoneedit as they provide 5 domains for free |
| 18:25 | <@adamg> | Strikeh to start with use zoneedit |
| 18:25 | <ElfStone> | yea i do |
| 18:25 | <@adamg> | it will get you started |
| 18:25 | <Strikeh> | k, where do I get that |
| 18:25 | <ElfStone> | but i can;t figure out how to revser a ipv6 |
| 18:25 | <@adamg> | zoneedit.com |
| 18:26 | <Strikeh> | kk ta |
| 18:26 | <@adamg> | ElfStone: just put an AAA record in the dns record |
| 18:26 | <ElfStone> | aaaa and i did |
| 18:26 | <ElfStone> | and in the ptr |
| 18:26 | <ElfStone> | i put elfstone.gileada.net reverse to elfstone.gileada.net |
| 18:26 | * | ElfStone has hearth attack |
| 18:27 | <ElfStone> | 8027 dollars for a oc-3 |
| 18:27 | <@adamg> | Strikeh: you then need to get zoneedit to point the domain to your servers and then you need to set-up apache to serve pages for that domain |
| 18:27 | <Strikeh> | kk |
| 18:27 | <@adamg|@#linode> | can I voice everyone apart from elfstone and moderate the chan |
| 18:27 | <schweeb> | ElfStone: and that surprises you somehow? |
| 18:27 | <ElfStone> | yes |
| 18:28 | <ElfStone> | O.o |
| 18:28 | <schweeb> | OC-3 is a lot of frigging lines. |
| 18:28 | <ElfStone> | 1 fiberoptic glass |
| 18:28 | <schweeb> | by lines I mean voice lines |
| 18:28 | <ElfStone> | oh |
| 18:28 | <ElfStone> | ool |
| 18:29 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 18:29 | <ElfStone> | cogent has a pop here |
| 18:29 | <ElfStone> | prob in mainplace |
| 18:29 | <ElfStone> | Ojh |
| 18:29 | <schweeb> | like T-1's are 24 lines. OC-3 is a lot more |
| 18:29 | <ElfStone> | a t1 line for 300 dollars |
| 18:29 | <schweeb> | and it's more expensive to set up and maintain an OC3 |
| 18:31 | <ElfStone> | well |
| 18:31 | <ElfStone> | i'll stick with cable |
| 18:31 | <ElfStone> | when i can get it |
| 18:31 | <@adamg> | oh yes thats right you dont have any money |
| 18:31 | ~ | adamg set -o adamg on #linode |
| 18:31 | <ElfStone> | yea yea yea lol |
| 18:31 | <ElfStone> | i never do |
| 18:33 | <ElfStone> | adamg, do you for that kind of stuff |
| 18:33 | <adamg> | for what a cable connection yes |
| 18:33 | <ElfStone> | for a E1? |
| 18:34 | <adamg> | it is T1 in the states, dont confuse the 2 they are different |
| 18:34 | <schweeb> | you sure that that T1 for $300 isn't fractional? |
| 18:34 | <ElfStone> | adamg, i know E1 is in the EU T1 is in the states |
| 18:34 | <adamg> | no but I dont need it, if I did then yes |
| 18:34 | <schweeb> | they usually go for like $800 if I recall |
| 18:34 | <ElfStone> | E1 and E3 use a differnt tech |
| 18:34 | <ElfStone> | schweeb, special |
| 18:34 | <adamg> | no an E1 is EU but it is not that same as a T1 |
| 18:35 | <ElfStone> | i never said it was |
| 18:35 | <schweeb> | E1 and T1 are similar but not the same |
| 18:35 | <ElfStone> | i said E1 is in the EU and uses differnt tech then T1 which are in the states |
| 18:35 | <ElfStone> | E1 are slower the T1 but an E3 is faster then a T3 |
| 18:35 | <adamg> | I cant remember the difference but I know it is there |
| 18:35 | <ElfStone> | *then a T1 |
| 18:38 | guinea-pig | is now known as guinea-sleep |
| 18:38 | <adamg> | sighup change 800 php to gbp |
| 18:38 | <sighup> | adamg: 800 Philippine Peso makes 7.89 British Pound |
| 18:42 | <NeXTer> | I prefer PHP 4.3.3... |
| 18:42 | <ElfStone> | sighup, change 800 usd to gbp |
| 18:42 | <sighup> | ElfStone: 800 U.S. Dollar makes 440.67 British Pound |
| 18:43 | <ElfStone> | sighup, 800 gbp to usd |
| 18:43 | <sighup> | ElfStone: i'm not following you... |
| 18:43 | <ElfStone> | sighup, change 800 gbp to usd |
| 18:43 | <sighup> | ElfStone: 800 British Pound makes 1,451.92 U.S. Dollar |
| 18:43 | <adamg> | sighup change 1 gbp to usd |
| 18:43 | <sighup> | adamg: 1 British Pound makes 1.81 U.S. Dollar |
| 18:43 | <ElfStone> | gzz |
| 18:43 | <adamg> | hmm 1.81 it is going down |
| 18:43 | <ElfStone> | the pound has more value then the dollar (us) |
| 18:43 | <Strikeh> | Start the VNC Server by typing "vncserver" at the command prompt. <--- command not found |
| 18:43 | <ElfStone> | sighup, change 1 USD to CD |
| 18:43 | <sighup> | ElfStone: 'CD' probably isn't a real currency. |
| 18:44 | <ElfStone> | sighup, change 1 USD to cd |
| 18:44 | <sighup> | ElfStone: 'CD' probably isn't a real currency. |
| 18:44 | <ElfStone> | sighup, change 1 USD to cad |
| 18:44 | <sighup> | ElfStone: 1 U.S. Dollar makes 1.33 Canadian Dollar |
| 18:44 | <NeXTer> | Strikeh: What distro did you install? |
| 18:45 | <Strikeh> | redhat 9.0 small |
| 18:47 | <NeXTer> | Mmmkay... Have you checked that the TightVNC (equivalent) is installed? |
| 18:47 | <Strikeh> | no, how do I go about that? |
| 18:47 | <Strikeh> | I'm not experienced in unix administration |
| 18:48 | <@caker> | Strikeh: try: apt-get install vncserver |
| 18:49 | <NeXTer> | RH9 has apt? |
| 18:49 | <Strikeh> | E: Couldn't find package vncserver |
| 18:50 | <Strikeh> | so I download tightvnc? |
| 18:50 | <@caker> | try: apt-get install vnc-server |
| 18:51 | <Strikeh> | ta |
| 18:51 | <Strikeh> | there a list of programs like that available? |
| 18:51 | <ElfStone> | slack dun have aptget =P |
| 18:52 | <@caker> | Strikeh: kinda here .. http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/9/i386/ |
| 18:52 | <NeXTer> | Strikeh: You may want to examine aptitude, it's a more visual package manager |
| 18:52 | <Strikeh> | [root@li4-183 root][root@li4-183 root]# vncserver |
| 18:52 | <Strikeh> | -bash: vncserver: command not found |
| 18:53 | * | caker tries |
| 18:57 | <@caker> | erm. .worked for me, let me deploy a fresh disk |
| 18:57 | <Strikeh> | ? |
| 18:58 | <@caker> | ahh redhat 8.0 |
| 18:58 | <@caker> | not 9 |
| 18:58 | <Strikeh> | crap |
| 18:58 | <Strikeh> | lemme change |
| 18:58 | * | NeXTer whispers "Debian" in Strikeh's ear |
| 18:59 | <Strikeh> | used to redhat |
| 19:08 | <sinned> | cogent's 100mbit service sucks though, it doesn't translate to an actual 100mbit throughput connection to the internet |
| 19:09 | <sinned> | you're on 100mbit to their network but you won't ever see even close to that for sustained throughput |
| 19:09 | <sinned> | to the rest of the internet outside of their network |
| 19:14 | <adamg> | well since once again I havnt got any work done, I am going to get some sleep |
| 19:14 | <adamg> | nite all |
| 19:19 | <Strikeh> | where can I get a nameserver to install actually on the server |
| 19:21 | <sinned> | for what purpose |
| 19:21 | <sinned> | to serve dns zones for a domain you own? |
| 19:21 | <sinned> | or to act as the machine's local dns cache |
| 19:21 | <sinned> | or both, or what |
| 19:23 | <Strikeh> | dunno the difference tbh |
| 19:24 | <sinned> | well i scrolled up, i assume you mean to host the dns for elitistnation.com ? |
| 19:24 | <Strikeh> | think <sinned> to serve dns zones for a domain you own? |
| 19:24 | <sinned> | do you already have a couple 'nameserver 1.2.3.4' type lines in the file /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:25 | <Strikeh> | yes |
| 19:25 | <NeXTer> | Strikeh: BIND9 would be the logical choice for hosting one's own domains |
| 19:25 | <sinned> | i disagree |
| 19:26 | <NeXTer> | Oh? |
| 19:26 | <sinned> | if you're used to using BIND and don't want to learn a different configuration setup, or you need to use DNSSEC |
| 19:27 | <sinned> | but BIND is a pretty bloated, historically insecure piece of software |
| 19:27 | <sinned> | http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/nsd/ <- this is my favorite dns server, but it's only good for hosting domains, not acting as a cache for anyone |
| 19:28 | <NeXTer> | Historically, yes. Those weaknesses are not generally found in BIND9 though |
| 19:28 | <sinned> | yeah the same thing was said about BIND8 when they came out with that : P |
| 19:29 | <Strikeh> | nvm I'll use zoneedit 4 now |
| 19:29 | <sinned> | hehe |
| 19:30 | <NeXTer> | Maybe, but the current revision is pretty tight. Not to mention the widespread use makes it a "learn once, use everywhere" deal |
| 19:31 | <NeXTer> | I don't doubt NSD is good, or maybe even preferable for new users, but is it something they will encounter on other servers? |
| 19:31 | <sinned> | definitely not |
| 19:32 | <sinned> | but i don't think anyone who isn't a sysadmin type is going to come into the role of administering a dns server someoen else setup |
| 19:32 | <ElfStone> | Strikeh, zoneedit uses bind |
| 19:33 | <sinned> | using BIND for your average dns services is like using apache for serving static .html pages |
| 19:34 | <NeXTer> | Does anyone actually do that in this day and age? |
| 19:34 | <sinned> | do what? |
| 19:34 | <sinned> | serve static html? |
| 19:34 | <NeXTer> | Ya |
| 19:34 | <sinned> | of course |
| 19:34 | <NeXTer> | Hmm... |
| 19:35 | <sinned> | it amazes me that people will run the hog that is IIS on their win2k servers just to serve a handful of simple html and jpgs |
| 19:35 | <NeXTer> | Then again, most people who do static HTML don't have their own servers, but rather use some hotel which will most likely be running Apache, ir IIS :P |
| 19:35 | <sinned> | probably |
| 19:36 | <sinned> | i think i'm thinking more of an intranet environment |
| 19:37 | <NeXTer> | Hmm... You might be right, though from what I've seen around here, ASP is pretty prevalent in that setting, with IIS of course... |
| 19:37 | <sinned> | maybe static html is becoming a rarity |
| 19:40 | <NeXTer> | I get the point of the analogy at any rate, though I don't think BIND is enough of a hazzle to worry about... Just a couple of lines in named.conf.locan and a fairly straight-forward (and widely documented) zone file. The performance bit would be the only real advantage that I can think of |
| 19:42 | <adamg> | i just took a look on the nsd site, it does not seem to say much |
| 19:42 | <sinned> | bind has a lot of fine-grained access control though, and depending on whereyou got your example .conf file from, and what default options the binary was compiled with, a lot of features and such might be turned on by default |
| 19:42 | <sinned> | like AXFR's and IXFR's from anywhere, dynamic dns enabled without authorization |
| 19:42 | <sinned> | people using your server as a cache without you knowing |
| 19:42 | <NeXTer> | Of course, I'm the kind of guy who doesn't want to use "smaller" software for fear of outgrowing it and having to move to the "real" thing eventually anyway. |
| 19:42 | <sinned> | etc |
| 19:43 | <sinned> | then there's tons of features they came out with in BIND8 and 9 i don't even know what they are, so i can't give them as examples of defaults that could be enabled |
| 19:43 | <sinned> | adamg it uses bind-compatible zone files, and it's authoritative-only |
| 19:44 | <NeXTer> | I've never had any issues with the standard configuration provided by Debian... Doesn't allow zone transfers or any such thing |
| 19:44 | <sinned> | it doesn't support anything besides regular queries and AXFR's and notifies to valid slaves or masters |
| 19:44 | <adamg> | sinned how does it handle as a seconday name server |
| 19:45 | <sinned> | adam, it requires BIND's named-xfer binary hahaha |
| 19:45 | <sinned> | none of the developers use it as a slave themselves so they haven't written anything to pull the zones from the master |
| 19:45 | <NeXTer> | Riiight... |
| 19:45 | <sinned> | it was designed to run as a root server |
| 19:45 | <sinned> | they use it on k.root-servers.net and ns2.nic.fr now |
| 19:46 | <NeXTer> | Not bad |
| 19:46 | <NeXTer> | What are the other root servers running again? |
| 19:47 | <sinned> | a lot of things |
| 19:47 | <sinned> | windows 2000 dns, bind4, bind8, powerdns or somethign i believe on a couple |
| 19:47 | <Strikeh> | bind is already installed |
| 19:47 | <Strikeh> | how to I get to edit it and set it up |
| 19:47 | <sinned> | a couple years ago i think BIND4 was on most of the root servers |
| 19:48 | <NeXTer> | Strikeh: google for bind howto |
| 19:48 | <NeXTer> | bind4? I assume there was a version number jump somewhere? |
| 19:48 | <ElfStone> | lol what do the root servers use now? |
| 19:48 | <sinned> | elf, win2k dns, bind4, bind8, nsd, and a commercial dns server for bsd/linux which i can't remember the name of |
| 19:49 | <sinned> | tinydns or powerdns or ultradns |
| 19:49 | <adamg> | just looking at powerdns |
| 19:50 | <ElfStone> | what isthe most used dns? |
| 19:50 | <sinned> | i don't know if anyone has done a survey elf |
| 19:50 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 19:50 | <@mikegrb> | ElfStone: google might know |
| 19:51 | <ElfStone> | !google most used dnsd |
| 19:51 | <xbox-logger> | http://www.raidendnsd.com/ |
| 19:51 | <ElfStone> | O.o |
| 19:51 | <NeXTer> | I suspect it might be a case of BIND being the leading DNS as a sort of self-fullfilling prophecy... Everyone "knows" everyone else uses it, so they use it too... |
| 19:51 | <ElfStone> | !google rootdns |
| 19:51 | <xbox-logger> | http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-software/200009/msg00425.html |
| 19:52 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 19:52 | <sinned> | next i'm pretty sure BIND8 is the most prevalent today, followed by Win2k DNS |
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| 19:52 | <NeXTer> | Quite |
| 19:53 | <@mikegrb> | ElfStone: you know you can type www.google.com into your browser, right? |
| 19:53 | <sinned> | bind8's certainly #1 for linux/bsd/solaris users |
| 19:53 | <sinned> | and win2k dns is the most popular for windows users |
| 19:53 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb, yes but i use firebird google bar |
| 19:53 | <sinned> | and those are the two most common platforms for internet hosting servers |
| 19:53 | <@mikegrb> | are you really this stupid or are you a troll? |
| 19:53 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb, what do you mean |
| 19:54 | <@mikegrb> | right |
| 19:54 | * | mikegrb is afk to sonic for ein Getränk |
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| 19:57 | <sinned> | wow for a windows dns server, raiden dnsd sounds pretty good |
| 20:00 | <Strikeh> | gah |
| 20:00 | <Strikeh> | what is the linux cmd to add a group again? |
| 20:00 | <sinned> | groupadd ? |
| 20:00 | <NeXTer> | Raiden, eh? The software by those guys is usually good, but they're real pricks. I've personally been chewed out by them for a perfectly legit question with an answer along the lines of "I am right, and you are an idiot, and if you don't know why I'm right you're an even bigger idiot" |
| 20:01 | <Strikeh> | ta |
| 20:01 | <Strikeh> | thought I tried it |
| 20:01 | <Strikeh> | but apparently I didn't |
| 20:04 | <sinned> | i'd never heard of it before nexter |
| 20:05 | <NeXTer> | I used to have a license for their RaidenFTPD before I moved to ProFTPD on Debian |
| 20:06 | <NeXTer> | Probably the most capable FTP server for Windows |
| 20:06 | <sinned> | what do you use ftp for? |
| 20:06 | <NeXTer> | Oh, a little bit of this, and a little bit of that |
| 20:08 | <adamg> | I think I am going to stick with bind |
| 20:08 | <adamg> | for now at least |
| 20:09 | <ElfStone> | i like bond the better then what else i ahev seen |
| 20:09 | <ElfStone> | more well known more helpdocs |
| 20:10 | <NeXTer> | The one thing that bugs me about DNS is that every admin out there writes their zonefiles differently, and they usually include stuff for reasons such as "uh, that's always been in there, so it must be good for _something_" |
| 20:15 | <NeXTer> | Of course, I guess the same effect can be seen in just about any system given enough age... |
| 20:26 | <ElfStone> | lol |
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| 20:29 | <schweeb> | goddammit, more imaps disconnects. |
| 20:39 | <ElfStone> | sighup g7 ElfStone |
| 20:39 | <sighup> | #G7 stats for ElfStone, the ElfGod -- 105/158 Current Level: 29 | Time to next level: 0 days, 05:37:29 | Status: online | Item Total: 241 | Total Time Idled: 3 days, 19:34:55 |
| 20:39 | <ElfStone> | sighup g7 mikegrb |
| 20:39 | <sighup> | #G7 stats for mikegrb, the Ruler of All -- 1/158 Current Level: 51 | Time to next level: 14 days, 09:32:40 | Status: online | Item Total: 471 | Total Time Idled: 68 days, 02:38:35 |
| 20:39 | <ElfStone> | damn |
| 20:40 | <schweeb> | woohoo. |
| 20:40 | <schweeb> | dedicated server: complete |
| 20:40 | <ElfStone> | schweeb addy? |
| 20:40 | <schweeb> | not public yet |
| 20:40 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 20:40 | <ElfStone> | does it haev ipv6? |
| 20:40 | <schweeb> | dunno |
| 20:40 | <schweeb> | I'll have to ask my guy |
| 20:40 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 20:41 | <ElfStone> | porb not |
| 20:41 | <ElfStone> | *prob |
| 20:41 | <ElfStone> | i need to find a ded with both ipv4 and ipv6 native |
| 20:42 | <ElfStone> | caker is ipv6 via he tunneled? |
| 20:42 | <@caker> | ElfStone: yes. |
| 20:42 | <ElfStone> | k |
| 20:42 | <ElfStone> | tunneling is okay |
| 20:42 | <ElfStone> | but is is unstable from what i seen |
| 20:44 | <ElfStone> | i do not know of any |
| 21:22 | <Strikeh> | caker |
| 21:22 | <Strikeh> | u still about? |
| 21:23 | <@caker> | yes |
| 21:23 | <Strikeh> | what type of machine is the gatewayy? |
| 21:24 | <@caker> | I'm not sure, but a good guess would be a cisco router |
| 21:30 | <NeXTer> | Night |
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| 22:25 | Strikeh | is now known as Incutio |
| 22:25 | Incutio | is now known as Strikeh |
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