TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2004:01:25

---	Log	opened Sun Jan 25 00:00:14 2004
00:00	<@caker>	ouch .. gnite adam
00:00	<@adamg>	I got into some coding
00:01	<@caker>	good then
00:01	<@adamg>	well kinda
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04:20	<NeXTer>	Morning
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08:48	<@adamg>	afternoon all
08:48	<NeXTer>	'lo
08:48	<wap>	howdy
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11:03	<ElfStone>	can anyone help me with a cgi-perl problem i am haveing
11:04	<ElfStone>	and hellpo
11:05	<ElfStone>	adamg: you there?
11:06	<adamg>	yes
11:07	<ElfStone>	can you help me with this perl problem i am haveing?
11:07	<adamg>	possibly
11:08	<ElfStone>	i get
11:08	<ElfStone>	[Sun Jan 25 11:00:01 2004][Sun Jan 25 11:00:01 2004] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /var/www/htdocs/public_html/chat.cgi failed
11:08	<ElfStone>	[Sun Jan 25 11:00:01 2004][Sun Jan 25 11:00:01 2004] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: /var/www/htdocs/public_html/chat.cgi
11:08	<ElfStone>	[Sun Jan 25 11:00:46 2004][Sun Jan 25 11:00:46 2004] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html/chat.cgi failed
11:08	<ElfStone>	[Sun Jan 25 11:00:46 2004][Sun Jan 25 11:00:46 2004] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: /var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html/chat.cgi
11:08	<ElfStone>	and interanl errors when i run a cgi
11:08	<ElfStone>	it is 775
11:09	<adamg>	does the directory have execcgi set in the httpd config file
11:09	<ElfStone>	yes
11:09	<ElfStone>	i have all dirc execcgi
11:09	<ElfStone>	all in and out to cgi-bin
11:09	<adamg>	well the first one is bc the file does not exist
11:10	<adamg>	the others are errors within the cgi script
11:10	<adamg>	take a look at the error logs
11:10	<ElfStone>	that is the errors log
11:11	<ElfStone>	and the file does exsist
11:11	<ElfStone>	elfstone@elvencloak:/var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html$ ls
11:11	<ElfStone>	EIRC-gfx.jar EIRC.jar bin/ build.bat build.sh build.xml chat.cgi* chat.cgi~ contrib/ docs/ src/ template.cgi* unreal32docs.html
11:11	<ElfStone>	elfstone@elvencloak:/var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html$
11:11	<adamg>	it the correct path to perl set in the files
11:11	<ElfStone>	Oh
11:12	<ElfStone>	yes it is
11:12	<ElfStone>	#!/usr/bin/perl
11:12	<ElfStone>	elfstone@elvencloak:/var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html$ whereis perl
11:12	<ElfStone>	perl: /usr/bin/perl /usr/man/man1/perl.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/perl.1.gz
11:12	<ElfStone>	elfstone@elvencloak:/var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html$
11:13	<adamg>	the correct perl modules installed
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11:13	<ElfStone>	i have perl installed in genral
11:13	<ElfStone>	and it is installed in httpd
11:13	<adamg>	are the correct perl modules installed
11:14	<ElfStone>	which ones?
11:14	<ElfStone>	LoadModule cgi_module libexec/mod_cgi.so
11:15	<adamg>	perl is has 1000's of modules which programmers use, as you need to use them they have to be installed
11:15	<ElfStone>	>.<
11:15	<ElfStone>	do you need to look at the code?
11:16	<adamg>	what is it for
11:16	<ElfStone>	basicly
11:16	<ElfStone>	it allows me to use a form for name input into EIRC
11:16	<ElfStone>	name and channel
11:16	<ElfStone>	eirc is a java irc
11:18	<ElfStone>	http://elvencloak.homelinux.net/chat.cgi.txt http://elvencloak.homelinux.net/template.cgi.txt
11:19	<adamg>	thats gives a server error
11:19	<ElfStone>	404?
11:20	<ElfStone>	http://elvencloak.homelinux.net/chat.txt http://elvencloak.homelinux.net/template.txt
11:21	<adamg>	have you got root access?
11:22	<ElfStone>	yes
11:22	<ElfStone>	that is my homepc
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11:22	<adamg>	type in cpan and hit enter
11:22	<Dave>	this is easier than trying to read sighup's spam :/
11:22	<adamg>	what is
11:22	<ElfStone>	elfstone@elvencloak:/etc/apache$ cpan
11:22	<ElfStone>	-bash: cpan: command not found
11:22	<ElfStone>	elfstone@elvencloak:/etc/apache$
11:22	<Dave>	joining the channel
11:22	<adamg>	arrah
11:23	<ElfStone>	`root@elvencloak:/etc/apache# cpan
11:23	<ElfStone>	bash: cpan: command not found
11:23	<ElfStone>	root@elvencloak:/etc/apache#
11:23	<guinea-pig>	what distro?
11:24	<ElfStone>	slack
11:24	<guinea-pig>	:/
11:24	<ElfStone>	where it is gonna be uploaded is freebsd
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11:25	<adamg>	try perl -MCPAN -e shell;
11:25	<ElfStone>	elfstone@elvencloak:/etc/apache$ perl -MCPAN -e shell;
11:25	<ElfStone>
11:25	<ElfStone>	/home/elfstone/.cpan/CPAN/MyConfig.pm initialized.
11:26	<ElfStone>	then its info
11:26	<ElfStone>	Are you ready for manual configuration? [yes]
11:26	<adamg>	follow the instructions
11:26	<adamg>	yes
11:27	<guinea-pig>	shouldn't he be root? :P
11:27	<adamg>	he said he was
11:27	<ElfStone>	what is it downloading O.o
11:27	<guinea-pig>	[11:25][11:25] <ElfStone> elfstone@elvencloak:/etc/apache$ perl -MCPAN -e shell;
11:27	<guinea-pig>	that's obviously not root :P
11:27	<adamg>	he might be in SU
11:27	<ElfStone>	i am not
11:28	<ElfStone>	*i am now
11:28	<ElfStone>	elfstone@elvencloak:/etc/apache$ su
11:28	<ElfStone>	Password:
11:28	<ElfStone>	root@elvencloak:/etc/apache# perl -MCPAN -e shell;
11:28	<ElfStone>	in slack
11:28	<ElfStone>	it shows you as root@ when you are in su
11:28	<adamg>	go through the configuration
11:28	<adamg>	most things should be the default
11:29	<ElfStone>	Fetching with Net::FTP:
11:29	<ElfStone>	ftp://ftp.perl.org/pub/CPAN/MIRRORED.BY
11:29	<ElfStone>
11:29	<adamg>	so let if fetch
11:29	<adamg>	it knows what it is doing
11:29	<ElfStone>	i am
11:29	<ElfStone>	=P
11:30	<ElfStone>	dfone
11:30	<ElfStone>	doen
11:30	<ElfStone>	Enter another URL or RETURN to quit: []
11:30	<ElfStone>	New set of picks:
11:30	<ElfStone>	ftp://cpan.nas.nasa.gov/pub/perl/CPAN/
11:30	<ElfStone>
11:30	<ElfStone>
11:31	<ElfStone>	commit: wrote /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/CPAN/Config.pm
11:31	<ElfStone>
11:31	<ElfStone>	cpan>
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11:31	<adamg>	type install CGI
11:31	<ElfStone>	okay
11:31	<ElfStone>	how many thinsg is it gonna dl?
11:31	<adamg>	no idea
11:32	<Dave>	as many as it needs
11:32	<ElfStone>	oh god
11:32	<adamg>	probably 3 or 4 things
11:32	<adamg>	3 files and then the cgi tar file
11:32	*	ElfStone is now in the land of lag
11:33	<ElfStone>	mailrc
11:33	<ElfStone>	packgedetaiols
11:34	<adamg>	package details will be the biggest
11:34	<adamg>	txt file anyway
11:34	<ElfStone>	done
11:35	<ElfStone>	Warning: Cannot install cgi, don't know what it is.
11:35	<adamg>	did it install CGI
11:35	<adamg>	type install CGI
11:35	<adamg>	type install CGI
11:35	<adamg>	type install CGI
11:35	<adamg>	type install CGI
11:35	<adamg>	type install CGI
11:35	<adamg>	note the CAPS
11:35	<ElfStone>	i did
11:35	<ElfStone>	Oh
11:35	<ElfStone>	LOL
11:35	<ElfStone>	cgi.pm O.o
11:38	<ElfStone>	done
11:40	<adamg>	type exit
11:41	<adamg>	does the script work
11:41	<ElfStone>	let me restart apache
11:41	<adamg>	why
11:41	<ElfStone>	incase it has top reload files
11:42	<ElfStone>	same errors
11:43	<adamg>	which are
11:44	<ElfStone>	on the web it is 500
11:44	<ElfStone>	[Sun Jan 25 11:41:03 2004][Sun Jan 25 11:41:03 2004] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html/chat.cgi failed
11:44	<ElfStone>	[Sun Jan 25 11:41:03 2004][Sun Jan 25 11:41:03 2004] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: /var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html/chat.cgi
11:44	<ElfStone>	[Sun Jan 25 11:41:06 2004][Sun Jan 25 11:41:06 2004] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html/chat.cgi failed
11:44	<ElfStone>	[Sun Jan 25 11:41:06 2004][Sun Jan 25 11:41:06 2004] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: /var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html/chat.cgi
11:45	<NeXTer>	Interesting path... The file is located there?
11:45	<ElfStone>	the name public_html is cuz it was where i had it before
11:45	<ElfStone>	it is in /var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin/public_html/
11:46	<NeXTer>	And the path and file are readable by www-data?
11:46	<ElfStone>	yes
11:46	<ElfStone>	renamed
11:46	<NeXTer>	Hmm...
11:46	<NeXTer>	*shrug
11:49	<adamg>	remove the files from the public_html dir and place them directly into the cgi-bin
11:50	<ElfStone>	k
11:50	<ElfStone>	still 500
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11:51	<@adamg>	there is nothing wrong with the perl script, I am guessing it is a problem with your http conf file
11:52	<ElfStone>	like?
11:52	<ElfStone>	need to see that too?
11:52	<@adamg>	http://adhaero.hat-technologies.ltd.uk/simple.txt
11:52	<@adamg>	copy the file to your dir and run via browser
11:52	<@adamg>	call it something.cgi
11:53	<ElfStone>	it output test
11:54	<ElfStone>	http://elvencloak.homelinux.net/cgi-bin/simple.cgi
11:56	<@adamg>	http://adhaero.hat-technologies.ltd.uk/chat.cgi
11:56	<ElfStone>	it is blank for mw
11:56	<@adamg>	the cgi bit works for me
11:57	<@adamg>	get an error loading the applet but that is to be expected
11:57	<ElfStone>	O.o
11:57	<ElfStone>	wtf
11:57	<ElfStone>	gr3r
11:57	<@adamg>	what permissions are on the template.cgi file
11:58	<ElfStone>	775 +x
11:58	<@adamg>	it is something to do with your machine the perl is fine
11:59	<ElfStone>	grr
11:59	<ElfStone>	and can't really do anything
12:06	<ElfStone>	w/e i will just try to do it on the server it will accualey be on
12:12	<ElfStone>	wtf
12:12	<ElfStone>	noting is going myway today
12:12	<ElfStone>	>.<
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12:18	<ElfStone>	adamg: >.<
12:18	<ElfStone>	what distro do yu use where that worked
12:19	<@adamg>	that was on gentoo
12:19	<@adamg>	but that is not the point
12:19	<ElfStone>	i know
12:19	<ElfStone>	i tried it on the freebsd server
12:19	<ElfStone>	the ircd is on
12:19	<ElfStone>	and i get the same errior
12:19	<ElfStone>	and there is no error log output
12:20	<ElfStone>	i should try to rewrite in php
12:21	<NeXTer>	Good thinking :P
12:21	<ElfStone>	i am gonan try like
12:22	<ElfStone>	i am gonna tyr like
12:22	<ElfStone>	a form
12:22	<ElfStone>	name : $name
12:22	<ElfStone>	w/e
12:22	<ElfStone>	i will get it fixed
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12:24	<NeXTer>	Quite a mess
12:26	<@adamg>	arrah
12:45	<@caker>	afternoon
12:45	<NeXTer>	So it is...
12:50	<@adamg>	did you get anywhere with that host caker
12:57	<@caker>	not yet, turns out I need HE to change the bios for me. I get only a few seconds with the remote console unit before it freezes at the bios for some reason
12:57	<@caker>	so, waiting on them to make the changes..
12:57	<@caker>	they take a hell of a lot longer than ThePlanet does
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13:07	<QuikShot>	anyone about to help me a little with lish?
13:07	<@caker>	sure
13:07	<QuikShot>	:)
13:07	<QuikShot>	i have connected successfully to hostx.linode.com
13:08	<QuikShot>	what do i need to do to gain access to the linode?
13:08	<@caker>	it should connect you automatically if your Linode is running
13:08	<@caker>	also, pressing Return tries again
13:08	<QuikShot>	ah, i needed to start typing something to get past the initial screen (of gibberish ;)
13:11	<QuikShot>	thanks caker, worked like a charm :)
13:11	<@caker>	sweet
13:12	<QuikShot>	although i did receive quite a lot of information dumped into the console at random
13:12	<QuikShot>	not sure what it was related to
13:12	<@caker>	was it the boot messages?
13:12	<QuikShot>	we haven't rebooted in a month
13:12	<QuikShot>	soemthing to do with tcp packets
13:12	<@caker>	ahh, well the console is where the kernel (and other things) submit their logging
13:14	<QuikShot>	ok :)
13:14	<QuikShot>	thanks again
13:14	<QuikShot>	o/
13:15	<@caker>	no problem
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13:18	<@adamg>	so HE are getting worse then
13:18	<@caker>	well, I just have to nag them to do anything
13:19	<@adamg>	oh well
13:19	<@adamg>	what made you go with them in the first place
13:19	<@adamg>	apart from wanting a DC on the other side of the country
13:21	<@caker>	hmm.. Their reputation and network, mostly
13:22	<@adamg>	not there willingness to help then
13:22	<@caker>	they get the job done, just not as accomodating as ThePlanet...
13:23	<@adamg>	i guess you cant have everything
13:23	<Garry>	caker u ever thought about having servers in nac
13:23	<@caker>	Garry: hey -- which nac? nac.com ?
13:24	<Garry>	net
13:24	<@caker>	er nac.net ?
13:24	<@adamg>	http://www.nac.net/business/colo.asp
13:27	<@caker>	Garry: Have you used these guys before?
13:28	<@adamg>	I have heard good and bad things about NAC
13:30	<@adamg>	the tour of there basic colo looks a mess
13:52	<Garry>	I got 2 dedi server in the nac datacenter at the moment
13:56	<Garry>	I bbl tonight, got some stuff to do
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14:05	<@caker>	...first try at netbooting
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14:08	<@caker>	woohoooooooooooooo!
14:09	<@caker>	You_Wish++
14:10	<@caker>	host16.linode.com login:
14:10	<@caker>	muhahaha
14:10	<@adamg>	it worked then
14:10	<@caker>	yeah, piece of cake
14:10	<@caker>	I'm amazed
14:10	<@adamg>	so what is it booting off
14:11	<@caker>	host15's dhcp and tftp server
14:11	<@caker>	it d/l the kernel from host15, but booted off (local) /dev/md0
14:11	<@adamg>	md0?
14:12	<@caker>	raid
14:12	<@adamg>	k
14:13	<@adamg>	what is different between tftp and a regular ftp server
14:13	<@caker>	tftp is udb based and has no user/pass
14:13	<@caker>	er udp
14:14	<@adamg>	k
14:14	<@caker>	It's easy to implement, so it's used for embedded devices (like for doing firmware upgrades, etc)
14:14	<@adamg>	so you will be using this method in the future then if nessecary
14:14	<@caker>	yes .. let's see if I fixed grub...
14:14	<@caker>	rebooting
14:14	<@adamg>	do you have to change the bios settings again?
14:15	<@caker>	I just shut down the dhcp and tftp servers, hopefully it'll timeout and continue to boot off the drives
14:16	<@caker>	yup :)
14:16	<@adamg>	grub sorted
14:16	*	caker sticks it to HE
14:18	<@caker>	note to self: don't copy the entire /boot tree from one machine to another
14:18	<@adamg>	oh
14:18	<@caker>	at least not without running grub-install afterwords
14:18	<@adamg>	is that what recked it
14:18	<@caker>	pretty sure
14:18	<@caker>	although I swear I've done this before
14:18	<@caker>	and drive geometry's are the same (seriously) :)
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14:23	<ElfStone>	adamg hehe fixed
14:23	<ElfStone>	re did in php
14:23	<ElfStone>	and it worked
14:24	<ElfStone>	http://radon.elementirc.net/
14:32	<@adamg>	well at least it is now all fixed caker
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14:40	<@adamg>	to many fecking dirs
15:28	<@caker>	sighup: linode avail
15:28	<sighup>	Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 35] [Linode 96: 10] [Linode 128: 6] [Linode 192: 9] [Linode 256: 9]
15:29	<ElfStone>	WTF
15:29	<ElfStone>	you have 256s
15:29	<ElfStone>	just time i have seen that
15:29	<@adamg>	just a few weeks late!!
15:29	<ElfStone>	l;ol
15:30	<@adamg>	splitting host16 between 192 and 256
15:30	<ElfStone>	ah
15:30	<ElfStone>	lo
15:30	<@caker>	yup
15:30	<ElfStone>	hehe
15:31	<ElfStone>	caker do 256's go fast?
15:31	<@caker>	ElfStone: no
15:31	<@caker>	more often it is existing customers who want to upgrade
15:31	<@adamg>	although I am guessing some of the 256's will become 64's or 96's
15:31	<@adamg>	last I heard there was only 1 256
15:32	<@caker>	adamg: right -- but they haven't been available, and people have often inquired about them
15:32	<@adamg>	althought that was a couple of months ago
15:33	<@adamg>	it will be intresting to see how quickly they dissappear
15:39	<You_Wish>	<caker> You_Wish++ Ya
15:39	<@caker>	:)
15:40	<You_Wish>	got to work
15:40	<You_Wish>	how did you do it
15:40	<You_Wish>	map
15:41	<@caker>	turned on pxe boot in BIOS, setup tftp server to serve the initial kernel and boot args (just like grub.conf), and then DHCP server to setup an IP, so it could contact the tftp server
15:41	<You_Wish>	nice
15:42	<You_Wish>	i love computers
15:42	<You_Wish>	they have got to be the coolest things ever made
15:43	<You_Wish>	besides hot chicks
15:44	<@caker>	hah
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15:45	<@adamg>	arrah
15:52	<You_Wish>	more i think about it, it should have been able to boot thru network
15:52	<You_Wish>	depending on os
15:52	<You_Wish>	windows anyway
15:53	<@caker>	You_Wish: network booting happens before an OS loads, btw
15:54	<You_Wish>	i have always wanted to try that kind of install just to see it
15:54	<You_Wish>	haven't yet
15:54	<You_Wish>	closest i can was doing a norton ghost
15:55	<You_Wish>	windows allows remote install
15:56	<You_Wish>	i was reading up on the new enterprise redhat and it made my hair stand up
15:56	<@caker>	hehe which part?
15:56	<@adamg>	the cost?
15:56	<You_Wish>	i linke the exchange part
15:56	<You_Wish>	cost to much
15:56	<You_Wish>	over 1000
15:57	<You_Wish>	i am wanting to setup a mobile server for some of my business
15:57	<@caker>	adamg: heh
15:57	<You_Wish>	looking into the pocket pc phones for about 3 weeks
15:58	<You_Wish>	tmobile is the best i have see for that
15:58	<@caker>	the sidekick?
15:58	<@caker>	or something else?
15:58	<You_Wish>	for my bosses company
15:58	<You_Wish>	she has alot of clients that need remote services
15:59	<You_Wish>	lawyers, doctors
15:59	<You_Wish>	i just spent 4 days at a doctors house just setting up his laptop
15:59	<@caker>	ok .. sidekick uses a proprietary operating
15:59	<You_Wish>	never heard of it
15:59	<@caker>	http://www.t-mobile.com/products/handhelds/sidekick_color/overview.asp
16:00	<You_Wish>	the new rh has exchange capablies
16:00	<@caker>	ahh
16:00	<@caker>	for you windows people?
16:00	<You_Wish>	yuke yup
16:00	<You_Wish>	no not side kick
16:02	<You_Wish>	you can use it to check your email on the road and connect to exchange server like rh or win03 as
16:02	<@caker>	ok
16:02	<You_Wish>	great for realors trying to sell houses
16:03	<You_Wish>	cause the can send pictures on the spot via eamil
16:03	<You_Wish>	sore their pictures on the exchange server
16:05	<You_Wish>	here is the phone
16:05	<You_Wish>	http://www.t-mobile.com/products/default.asp?class=pda
16:05	<You_Wish>	Data Product
16:05	<You_Wish>	Wireless phone with built-in speakerphone
16:05	<You_Wish>	Handheld Internet service
16:05	<You_Wish>	Sync to Microsoft Outlook desktop with included cradle
16:05	<You_Wish>	WorldClass international device (dual band: 900 & 1900 MHz) for travel in over 100 countries
16:05	<You_Wish>	More details
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16:06	<You_Wish>	most handhelds only sync to desktop that sync desktop and thru phone line
16:07	<You_Wish>	if i get one of them i can check up on my linode on the road also
16:08	<You_Wish>	i use visor and sprint kit now for that same purpose with half the cost
16:08	<You_Wish>	but discontinued
16:08	<@caker>	hmm
16:08	<You_Wish>	visor is 120 bucks
16:09	<You_Wish>	phone is 20
16:09	<You_Wish>	full remote connect
16:10	<You_Wish>	they have ssh also for pda so it is getting better and terminals
16:10	<@caker>	that is what I'm interested in
16:10	<You_Wish>	me too
16:10	<You_Wish>	i had lawyer and doctor pay me to research that
16:10	<@caker>	Would like something that, if I needed to, I'd be able to ssh into the servers
16:11	<You_Wish>	yup
16:11	<You_Wish>	you can do that now
16:11	<You_Wish>	the only thing to look out for is the phone company
16:11	<You_Wish>	there are 3 phone systems on place right now
16:12	<You_Wish>	if you get one get the one that has all three
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16:12	<You_Wish>	tri phone system
16:12	<@caker>	wow
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16:12	<You_Wish>	one is for 911
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16:12	<You_Wish>	one is national
16:12	<You_Wish>	one is local
16:13	<You_Wish>	GS is hot
16:13	<You_Wish>	that is all the overseas people are using is GS
16:13	<NeXTer>	Don't you mean GSM?
16:14	<You_Wish>	i beleve your correct
16:14	<You_Wish>	here in the states everybody wants 911
16:14	<You_Wish>	which is a totally different system
16:15	<You_Wish>	then you have walkey talkey users for contrators
16:15	<You_Wish>	states hasn't figured out how they are going to solve that problem to make everything in one yet
16:16	<You_Wish>	cause the phone companys are not all changing there systems
16:16	<You_Wish>	verizon is the best what i have see so far so get there phone
16:16	<NeXTer>	It's nice with deregulated systems, but it's hell when trying to get a new standard going
16:17	<You_Wish>	from all the talking on the phone i have been doing the overseas people are like 10 years ahead of the us
16:18	<NeXTer>	Pretty much, though we've apparently slammed into a wall when it comes to 3G...
16:18	<You_Wish>	3G of what
16:18	<NeXTer>	The successor of GSM
16:18	<You_Wish>	ic
16:18	<@adamg>	3g is just rather pointless
16:19	<NeXTer>	adamg: But... But... You can get Playboy on your phone!
16:19	<You_Wish>	I would like to see more opearting system owners buy out the phone people to fix the problem like windows
16:19	<@adamg>	and I can pay a small fortune for it
16:19	<@caker>	3g is a pain
16:20	<@caker>	at least on my little phone .. urls are hard to enter, it it's very slow
16:20	<@adamg>	the amount the phone companies paid in the UK for the frequencies it will mean the prices will be high for years
16:20	<NeXTer>	adamg: I doubt it'll become anywhere near useful within the next 5 years at least
16:20	<You_Wish>	there is a handheld out right now that use 400 processor
16:20	<NeXTer>	You_Wish: Excuse me?
16:20	<You_Wish>	yup
16:21	<You_Wish>	let me find the link for you
16:21	<NeXTer>	You don't mean those 400 MHz XScale CPUs?
16:21	<@adamg>	ill stick with my plain boring gsm phone for now
16:22	<You_Wish>	http://www.wirelessadvisor.com/waforums/index.cfm
16:22	<NeXTer>	You_Wish: Be a little more specific, please...
16:23	<You_Wish>	i am looking for ti
16:23	*	NeXTer can't quite figure out how to pack 400 CPUs into a handheld
16:23	<You_Wish>	http://www1.sprintpcs.com/explore/PhonesAccessories/AllPhones.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1468819&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_SCID=SPRINTECOM&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_PCode=none&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_ExtraOne=SPRINTPERSONAL&CURRENT_USER%3C%3EATR_cartState=group&bmUID=1075065814542&navTemplateName=ALL_PHONES_TEMPLATE&navTemplateText=All%20PCS%20Phones
16:24	<You_Wish>	g1000
16:25	<You_Wish>	that is the one i am thinking about getting
16:25	<You_Wish>	still need check to see if it can go sync via phone line
16:25	<@adamg>	and that is just pointless
16:25	<You_Wish>	not in the business i am in
16:26	<@adamg>	god knows why someone would want something that big as a phone
16:26	<You_Wish>	why is it to you
16:26	<You_Wish>	it is either that or a phone and clipboard and time sheet and etc... and a laptop
16:26	<You_Wish>	why when i can do it all on one
16:27	<You_Wish>	it is either that or a phone and clipboard and time sheet and etc... and a laptop and pda
16:28	*	NeXTer would think that a tablet with a cellular PCCard and a BT headset would be in order
16:28	<You_Wish>	nope cause it dont track and sync your time sheets with your custumers with your boss
16:29	<You_Wish>	and for emploee you can track there time on the spot to the second
16:29	<You_Wish>	they would even have to talk to get there next job assigment
16:30	<You_Wish>	or worry about who is billing there clients
16:30	<You_Wish>	they can get billed before the works get back to the office
16:30	<NeXTer>	Quite, hence my comment about the tablet. Larger screen for one thing
16:30	<You_Wish>	can't lie on there time sheets
16:31	<You_Wish>	tablet?
16:31	<You_Wish>	paper tablet
16:31	<NeXTer>	No
16:31	<NeXTer>	Like a notebook without a keyboard
16:32	<You_Wish>	ic touch screen
16:32	<You_Wish>	going to google
16:32	<NeXTer>	Well, there are combo variants where you can twist the screen around, but I don't think those are too durable in the field
16:32	<You_Wish>	most people that needs this is contractors
16:34	<You_Wish>	g1000 has the camera also for sending pitures to home office
16:37	<You_Wish>	cost is crazy for tablet
16:38	<NeXTer>	Definitely, but it's a more appropriate form factor than a handheld that doesn't excel in anything
16:39	<You_Wish>	dont see the tablet connecting to phone or internet
16:39	<NeXTer>	Just needs a PCCard cellular modem
16:41	<You_Wish>	i get what your talking about
16:42	<NeXTer>	In any event, a tablet with all the extras required for field work is about ten times as expensive as a handheld. On the other hand, it can do a whole lot more as well
16:44	<You_Wish>	key features i am looking for is phone syn mail or inbox clandar and tasks current timesheets and clients jobs pending
16:44	<You_Wish>	and pitures
16:44	<You_Wish>	one the spot
16:45	<You_Wish>	gtg
16:46	<NeXTer>	Those built on cameras are about as good as a webcam... 640x480
16:47	<@adamg>	not very good quality for pictures for business
16:47	<NeXTer>	Noone I'd want to do business with at any rate...
16:47	<You_Wish>	for clients that want a quick peek at house would give them a idea what they would be getting very quick
16:48	<You_Wish>	you can take a 360 shoots and their in the know
16:48	<NeXTer>	Not really, the quality of those images are really bad
16:49	<NeXTer>	It's better to use a real camera that can connect to the phone and upload images that way instead
16:49	<You_Wish>	that is just one more thing to carry nope
16:50	<NeXTer>	Let's put it like this... If I as a client see that you're skimping on the equipment, what _else_ are you skimping on as well?
16:50	<You_Wish>	these people want less stuff in the field
16:51	<NeXTer>	Maybe, but bad photos are more likely to lead to a lost sale
16:51	<You_Wish>	you could be right
16:52	<You_Wish>	worth looking into for sure
16:52	<You_Wish>	you must of seen the pitures
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16:56	<NeXTer>	Well, not from exactly that model, but in general the images produced by this kind of camera are just good enough to identify what you're looking at. If you're taking an image of a prospect, your client will want to see detailed images
16:56	<You_Wish>	yup
16:57	<You_Wish>	640x480 sucks
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17:18	<@adamg>	anyone see or hear bill gates speach yesterday
17:19	<EFudd>	http://forever.broked.net/~jason/snowtowcar.wmv
17:19	<EFudd>	please don't paste around
17:22	<@caker>	hhe
17:23	<EFudd>	see caker, i need free xtra bandwidth just for stuff like that :P
17:29	<@mikegrb>	that is awesome
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18:19	<@adamg>	sighup 5 * 12
18:19	<sighup>	60
18:19	<@adamg>	500 * 12
18:20	<@adamg>	sighup 500 * 12
18:20	<sighup>	6000
18:20	<@adamg>	sighup 6000 / 1024
18:20	<sighup>	5.859375
18:20	<@adamg>	60 / 100 * 15
18:21	<@adamg>	sighup 60 / 100 * 15
18:21	<sighup>	9
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18:25	<@adamg>	wb guinea-pig
18:25	<@guinea-pig>	meh
18:25	<@guinea-pig>	i couldn't even last one day
18:25	<@adamg>	without irc
18:25	<@guinea-pig>	without IRC/Livejournal
18:26	<@guinea-pig>	hell. lj didn't last an hour
18:26	<@adamg>	isnt addiction great
18:26	<@guinea-pig>	:<
18:26	<@guinea-pig>	it's not addiction
18:26	<@guinea-pig>	well it is but
18:27	<@guinea-pig>	i need some sort of social contact to survive the spans between real social contact :P
18:28	<@guinea-pig>	it's just that i feel, and have always felt that digital contact was the wrong way to go
18:28	<@guinea-pig>	hence my hatred of computers :P
18:30	<@adamg>	hmm
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18:44	<@mikegrb>	hmmm
18:44	<@mikegrb>	cinoyters++
18:45	<@mikegrb>	er
18:45	<@mikegrb>	computers++
18:45	<SupaDongzu>	cinfopatzers
18:45	<SupaDongzu>	cinfopatzers++
18:45	<SupaDongzu>	er
18:45	<SupaDongzu>	sanfopifters++
18:45	<SupaDongzu>	I mean
18:45	<SupaDongzu>	damn.
18:45	<@mikegrb>	damn++
18:46	<SupaDongzu>	I know.
18:46	<@mikegrb>	aaaawjhias?
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18:58	<NeXTer>	Night
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19:16	<@adamg>	sighup 25 * 12
19:16	<sighup>	300
19:17	<@adamg>	sighup change 300 usd to gbp
19:17	<sighup>	adamg: 300 U.S. Dollar makes 164.34 British Pound
19:17	<@adamg>	nice
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20:24	<@adamg>	nite all
20:24	<SupaDongzu>	sighup: change 300 usd to brr
20:24	<sighup>	SupaDongzu: 'BRR' probably isn't a real currency.
20:25	<SupaDongzu>	sighup: change 300 usd to brz
20:25	<sighup>	SupaDongzu: 'BRZ' probably isn't a real currency.
20:25	<SupaDongzu>	sighup: change 300 usd to bzr
20:25	<sighup>	SupaDongzu: 'BZR' probably isn't a real currency.
20:25	<SupaDongzu>	it is
20:25	<SupaDongzu>	reis
20:25	<SupaDongzu>	you bastardo
20:25	<SupaDongzu>	sighup: change 300 usd to bz
20:25	<sighup>	SupaDongzu: 'BZ' probably isn't a real currency.
20:25	<SupaDongzu>	sighup: change 300 usd to br
20:25	<sighup>	SupaDongzu: 'BR' probably isn't a real currency.
20:25	<SupaDongzu>	I will slit your throat and drink you dry, sighup
20:25	<sighup>	SupaDongzu: excuse me?
20:26	<SupaDongzu>	I will plant a tiny seed in your corpse, and the roots will spread outward as the plant world consumes you as you once did to them
20:53	<@mikegrb>	yeah
20:53	<@caker>	hey mike
20:53	<@caker>	signed up for vonage today
20:53	<@mikegrb>	finance.yahoo.com
20:54	<@mikegrb>	uses the currency abreviations from there
20:54	<@mikegrb>	caker: oh? heidi mentioned you asked for a referral
20:54	<@mikegrb>	I like their referral system, free money for both people :)
20:54	<@caker>	Yes, signed up for "Business basic" .. $39.95/mo
20:54	<@caker>	Yes, very good
20:55	<@mikegrb>	they seem like a pretty good company
20:55	<@mikegrb>	a little difficult to get ahold of them on the phone the two times I've tried
20:55	<SupaDongzu>	mikegrb: why not just use finance.yahoo.com to do the conversions
20:55	<@caker>	how long until I get the gear?
20:56	<@mikegrb>	but I've only called twice in the year and a half I've been with them
20:56	<@mikegrb>	for me it was about three days
20:56	<@mikegrb>	but that was a year and a half ago
20:56	<@mikegrb>	was fedex'ed
20:56	<@caker>	what were you calling them about?
20:56	<@mikegrb>	I don't remember the first time that was long ago
20:57	<@caker>	cool -- can't wait to purchase my all-in-one copier/printer/scanner/fax thing
20:57	<@mikegrb>	last time was I wanted to change the primary number to be one of the virtual numbers
20:57	<@mikegrb>	heh then you can have a fax line :)
20:57	<@caker>	ahh
20:57	<@caker>	yup
20:57	<@mikegrb>	SupaDongzu: it does usew finance.yahoo.com for the conversion :)
20:58	<SupaDongzu>	yeah
20:58	<SupaDongzu>	I will still kill sighup the moment he goes to sleep
20:58	<SupaDongzu>	he had better watch his back
20:58	<@mikegrb>	sure thing
20:58	<@mikegrb>	he doesn't sleep though
20:58	<@mikegrb>	except that once that HE unplugged him ;)
20:58	<SupaDongzu>	that's what makes him such a crazy motherhubbard
21:07	<@caker>	wow
21:07	<@caker>	vonage is really cool
21:07	<@caker>	left voicemail, log into their website, listen to it online
21:17	<EFudd>	yup
21:17	<EFudd>	there are some /very/ spiff VoiceXML servers out there that can hook into vonage and others that do SIP and to asterisks
21:18	<EFudd>	free for voicexml dev even :)
21:18	<@caker>	so internal pbx type system?
21:18	<EFudd>	asterisks is software pbx
21:18	<EFudd>	with fxs/fxo cards available /cheaply/ for linsux
21:18	<@caker>	right
21:18	<EFudd>	use perl/cgi/etc to interface to voicexml
21:18	<EFudd>	vonage is your incoming dial that forwards through some processing, such as voicexml to your asterisks server for storage
21:18	<@caker>	What is the "other" PBX system for Linux besides &
21:18	<@caker>	er, *
21:19	<EFudd>	i'm just used to the commercial ones
21:19	<shakr>	caker: yesterday when you mentioned possibly needing a work order at $125/hr, was that something directly through HE that is offered 24/7.. or basically how does that work?
21:20	<@caker>	yes, it's offered direct through them, 24/7 ...
21:20	<EFudd>	er
21:20	<EFudd>	they are subbing out remote admin $125/hr ?
21:20	<@caker>	that's if it requires more than 15 minutes "remote hands"
21:21	<@caker>	pffft.
21:21	<shakr>	iirc small problems are free
21:21	<EFudd>	o. their charge.
21:21	<@caker>	yup
21:21	<@caker>	but not this time!
21:21	*	caker curses
21:21	*	tjfontaine curses along
21:22	<shakr>	if you dont mind answering another question, is that something offered to all HE customers or just special ones? :p
21:22	<@caker>	apparently I'm not so special, or they would have offered to do it free
21:23	<@caker>	shakr: why does it suprise you that they'll do work?
21:24	<shakr>	not surprising really, but i was curious if it's something they offer only for their direct customers, as opposed to customers through resellers of HE racks and bandwidth
21:24	<@caker>	I'm assuming customers of a reseller would have to go through the reseller, who goes to HE
21:25	<shakr>	customers through resellers have just about as much privelege (physicall access, creating access lists, submitting tickets) as direct customers, as long as it's at least a rack
21:26	<@caker>	huh