TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2004:01:22

---	Log	opened Thu Jan 22 00:00:05 2004
00:01	<@inkblot>	doot doot dooooooooo
00:03	<SupaDongzu>	Lolz.
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02:55	<NeXTer>	'lo
02:55	<SupaDongzu>	Hi.
02:58	<@adamg>	morning all
02:58	<SupaDongzu>	marnin
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04:03	<@adamg>	sighup linode avail
04:03	<sighup>	Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 0] [Linode 96: 1] [Linode 128: 9] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0]
04:05	<@adamg>	caker, when you appear I have another suggestion
04:20	<You_Wish>	sighup harddrive extender
04:20	<sighup>	You_Wish: sorry...
06:45	<@adamg>	god I hate the banking world
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08:36	<@adamg>	hi hawk
09:02	<hawk>	hi
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09:43	<@adamg>	hi mikegrb
09:43	<@adamg>	hi melano
09:43	<@adamg>	sighup linode forums
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09:45	<@adamg>	sighup linode forums
09:45	<sighup>	adamg: Linux Networking: Using MRTG to monitor CPU/Memory Usage.; Linux Networking: Trouble with DNS/Bind Install on Debian; Sendmail and Email Related Forum: How do I make qmail-smtpd listen on 2 different ports?; Linode.com Announcements: Bug Fix - Network Drops and Connectivity Blips; Linode.com Announcements: Announcement: Reduced Bandwidth Pricing
09:46	<@adamg>	sighup linode avail
09:46	<sighup>	Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 0] [Linode 96: 1] [Linode 128: 9] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0]
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10:02	<@adamg>	people come and people go, many don't even say a word
10:32	<@adamg>	erm
10:33	<@adamg>	sighup seen caker
10:33	<sighup>	caker was last seen on #orion 10 hours, 46 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: hey [1074746815]
10:39	<@adamg>	sighup bash randomi
10:39	<@adamg>	sighup bash random
10:39	<sighup>	Ack! That one's too long! :(
10:39	<sighup>	76716: <tps^snoogans> i only yell at my penis when moms not home
10:39	<@adamg>	sighup bash random
10:39	<sighup>	82184: <TheMaxx> "A Tomahawk cruise missile might have missed its target in Iraq and landed in southwest Iran"
10:39	<sighup>	<TheMaxx> those things are bitch to steer
10:39	<@adamg>	sighup bash random
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10:39	<sighup>	652: <TrUSoLDiA> since when was linux free?
10:39	<@adamg>	hi dts
10:39	<dts>	hi!
10:40	<dts>	oooo...can I ask question about DNS in here?
10:40	<@adamg>	you can try
10:40	<dts>	:-)
10:41	<dts>	I have setup Bind on my linode server running Debian.
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10:41	<blahrus>	caker: you there?
10:41	<dts>	The service starts, and I can see a port listeing under netstat, but when I try to nslookup, it says it cannot find the server
10:42	<dts>	I believe this is a problem with my networking config for starters...my resolv.conf gets blown away all the time
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10:43	<@adamg>	well that was annoying
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10:43	<blahrus>	well I guess anyone can help me if they know . . . . I need to know how to trun off the auto edit of the /etc/reslove.conf file
10:43	<@adamg>	stop using dhcp
10:43	<blahrus>	mainly I just dont want it added those name servers back in
10:44	<dts>	hey, that's the same problem I'm having!
10:44	<@adamg>	stop using dhcp
10:44	<dts>	easier said than done
10:44	<dts>	DTS = linux newbie
10:44	<blahrus>	stoping then wont be an issue from the side of the server wanting to give me an ip but I am assinged it?
10:45	<@adamg>	?/
10:46	<@adamg>	dts under debian in /etc/network there is a file called interfaces
10:46	<NeXTer>	Just disable the DHCP client and enter the static info in /etc/network/interfaces
10:46	<schweeb>	there's a man page on it
10:46	<schweeb>	man interfaces
10:46	<blahrus>	sorry if that was worded that poorly . . . .
10:46	<@adamg>	or if you dont want to edit the file yourself run debconf
10:46	<blahrus>	I just didn't know if all would work out great if I truned dhcp off and asigned it
10:47	<@adamg>	it will work fine
10:47	<NeXTer>	It would, since you have a static IP
10:47	<blahrus>	sweet thanks . . . . .
10:49	<blahrus>	debconf does not exist . . . .
10:49	<dts>	iface eth0 inet dhcp ... do I remove just dhcp or the whole line?
10:49	<@adamg>	comment out the line
10:49	<@adamg>	then add in something like
10:49	<@adamg>	iface eth0 inet static
10:49	<@adamg>	hostname misthos
10:49	<@adamg>	address 192.168.100.30
10:49	<@adamg>	gateway 192.168.100.1
10:49	<@adamg>	netmask 255.255.255.0
10:49	<dts>	debconf didn't exist for me either...I'd try looking up that app in the Debian apt repository
10:49	<@adamg>	replace the hostname, address and gateway with what you need
10:50	<dts>	fantastic!
10:50	<dts>	Thanks adam
10:50	<@adamg>	the address and gateway are listed in the CP
10:50	<dts>	yep, got 'em
10:51	<dts>	do I need to restart the interface once I've made the config changes?
10:51	<@adamg>	yes
10:51	<@adamg>	you can do that via inconfig
10:51	<blahrus>	should we leave "auto eth0" in
10:51	<@adamg>	yes
10:51	<@adamg>	auto lo eth0
10:51	<@adamg>	iface lo inet loopback
10:53	<@adamg>	on debian to reload the interfaces you can do /etc/init.d/ifupdown reload
10:54	<blahrus>	thanks a ton adam
10:54	<@adamg>	then just set resolve.conf to contain what you want it to
10:54	<blahrus>	this has be one of the first places people that are still learning don't get complietly flamed
10:54	<blahrus>	thats already been done :)
10:54	<blahrus>	been doing that everytime I rebooted
10:54	<blahrus>	which has only been twice now
10:54	<@adamg>	and now one of you can write a howto and post it on the forum for others
10:55	<blahrus>	I can in the works of writing a fairly long how to on how to turn it in the great webserver
10:55	<blahrus>	with www.vsacs.com
10:55	<blahrus>	built for debian
10:56	<@adamg>	not another CP
10:56	<blahrus>	heh
10:56	<blahrus>	yea but its not bloated
10:56	<@adamg>	i prefer to write my own
10:56	<blahrus>	and does not cost 1,500 bucks
10:56	<blahrus>	do you have one writen right now
10:56	<@adamg>	I just right things as I need
10:56	<blahrus>	thats cool
10:57	<dts>	now what's the difference between using /etc/network/interfaces versus using ifconfig???
10:57	<@adamg>	writing backupmx and dns at the momment
10:57	<@adamg>	to set-up an IP?
10:57	<blahrus>	ehhh the wonderful world of DNS
10:57	<dts>	well, can ifconfig be used to configure a NIC with multiple IP's?
10:57	<@adamg>	if you add an IP via ifconfig it is only there till you reboot, if you add an ip in the interfaces there it will always be there
10:58	<dts>	gotcha...perfect
10:58	<@adamg>	you can use ifconfig you multiple ids
10:58	<@adamg>	eth0:1 eth0:2 ...
10:58	<blahrus>	thats how you set it up in the interfaces file right?
10:58	<blahrus>	with eth0:1
10:58	<blahrus>	and so on
10:59	<@adamg>	yes
10:59	<dts>	so should my static config file use the colon notation as well since I have multiple Ip's?
10:59	<@adamg>	the first ip should be eth0
10:59	<dts>	iface eth0:1 inet static
10:59	<@adamg>	then the second eth0:1 etc
10:59	<dts>	gotta run to a meeting
10:59	<dts>	Thanks for the help!!!
11:00	<blahrus>	yea alright
11:00	<blahrus>	later dts
11:00	<blahrus>	thats what I though
11:00	<blahrus>	you were just saying if you added via ifconfig its only temp until a reboot
11:00	<blahrus>	but if you add it in interfaces it will stay . . . .
11:01	<@adamg>	yes
11:01	<blahrus>	cool
11:03	<blahrus>	this has just been the best system in the world . . . . . I have always ran my own boxes and had to sit and wait for them to load and then get to that data center and all that stuff . . . . but being able to click and say I want that distro NOW and its loaded . . . thats great.
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11:32	<@adamg>	memo to self, dont ban self
11:33	<schweeb>	duh
11:34	<NeXTer>	So... Why did you do it?
11:35	<@adamg>	bored
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11:37	<blahrus>	stupid web irc clients
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12:17	<dts>	test
12:26	<dts>	:adamg, you still there?
12:26	<@adamg>	yes
12:26	<dts>	I just tried reloading my network interfaces with ifupdown reload and it didn't apparently do anything
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12:27	<@adamg>	what where you expecting it to do
12:27	<dts>	ifconfig still shows the same setup (I was expecting a third interface listing to appear for my 2nd static IP)
12:28	<dts>	I just finished configuring the static network file we talked about earlier
12:28	<@adamg>	so what is listed in ifconfig
12:29	<dts>	eth0, lo, but no eth0:1
12:29	<dts>	how could I tell if the static addresses took?
12:29	<@adamg>	i dont think you can
12:30	<@adamg>	i have never set-up a second ip on debian
12:30	<dts>	hmmmm...I see
12:30	<dts>	I'll consult their docs a bit more closely to see if I can dig up anything
12:32	<schweeb>	dts: how exactly did you configure it
12:33	<dts>	# The loopback interface
12:33	<dts>	# automatically added when upgrading
12:33	<dts>	auto lo
12:33	<dts>	iface lo inet loopback
12:33	<dts>	# eth0 uses dhcp
12:33	<dts>	auto eth0
12:33	<dts>	#iface eth0 inet dhcp
12:33	<dts>	iface eth0 inet static
12:33	<dts>	hostname dns1.simcik.com
12:33	<dts>	address 64.5.53.240
12:33	<dts>	gateway 64.5.53.0
12:33	<dts>	netmask 255.255.255.0
12:33	<dts>	iface eth0:1 inet static
12:33	<dts>	address 64.5.53.241
12:33	<dts>	gateway 64.5.33.0
12:33	<dts>	netmask 255.255.255.0
12:33	<schweeb>	did you restart networking?
12:33	<dts>	thought I did
12:33	<schweeb>	/etc/init.d/networking restart
12:34	<@caker>	gateway should be .1
12:34	<@adamg>	caker..
12:34	<@caker>	64.5.53.1 .. you've got a typo or two
12:34	<@caker>	as well
12:34	<schweeb>	0 is network address
12:34	<@caker>	weird
12:35	<dts>	used.../etc/init.d/ifupdown reload
12:35	<dts>	ok, will change the gateway
12:35	<schweeb>	try networking
12:36	<dts>	networking???
12:36	<schweeb>	in debian /etc/init.d/networking restart (or reload)
12:37	<dts>	still don't see my second IP using ifconfig (not that I know if I'm supposed to)
12:38	<dts>	tried networking restart and reload
12:38	<schweeb>	i've never set up virtual interfaces in debian, so I dunno
12:38	<dts>	seems to be a theme ;-)
12:39	<@adamg>	heh
12:39	<dts>	anyone else know of a way verifying that DHCP is turned off for an interface???
12:39	<@adamg>	caker you got a sec
12:40	<@caker>	dts: you did it right with the static line in interfaces, now see if dhclient or dhcpcd is NOT running (ps aux \| grep dhc)
12:40	<@caker>	adamg: sure
12:40	<@adamg>	can I add something to the todo list for lish
12:40	<@caker>	sure
12:40	<@caker>	(I started designing the referral system last night, btw)
12:40	<@adamg>	the ability to set rdns via list something like
12:40	<@adamg>	rdns set ip domain
12:41	<@caker>	actually, a referral system and "coupon/discount" keycode thing
12:41	<@caker>	hrm
12:41	<@adamg>	i wrote my discount code this the other day
12:41	<@caker>	to complete the automation?
12:41	<@adamg>	yes
12:41	<@caker>	no problem ..
12:41	<@adamg>	just want a progmatic way to do it
12:42	<@caker>	adamg: so that would go through the same checks the web interface does, and only accept it if forward was found
12:42	<@adamg>	yeah thats fine, as long as it returns an error code or something
12:42	<@adamg>	1 for done, 0 for fail or something like that
12:43	<@adamg>	similar to how restart works
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12:45	<@adamg>	I actually wrote my discount scripts for testing purposes, so I could give myself a 100% discount, but it kinda developed into a fuller system
12:47	<@caker>	I'm starting off with it just performing discounts on an entire invoice. With a custom 'eval' type thing where you can modify all the invoice variables any way you want
12:47	<@caker>	I dunno, I have more thinking to do about it
12:48	<@adamg>	I set mine up to have a use count and an expiry date
12:48	<@adamg>	so that a code could be used say 10 times
12:48	<@caker>	yeah
12:48	<@adamg>	or the code expires when an offer ends
12:48	<@caker>	I need to add those fields
12:48	<@caker>	adamg++
12:48	<@caker>	afk for a few (running out for packing tape)
12:49	<@adamg>	then just a simple generation script, so you say you want to generate 10 codes, with a 10% discount and can be used 1, the script will then return 10 codes
12:49	<@adamg>	not that the codes are the easy to remember, since they are SHA1 hex strings
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12:55	<@adamg>	hi k4k0
12:55	<k4k0>	hi :D
12:55	<k4k0>	caker :D
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13:16	<@caker>	dts: any luck?
13:17	<@adamg>	got your packing tape then caker
13:17	<@caker>	yup, and some lunch
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13:18	<@adamg>	so the servers are going then
13:18	<@caker>	Yes, going to test the "live" network config, and then box em
13:18	<@caker>	last step
13:20	<dts>	sorry...dissappeared to get lunch
13:21	<dts>	Damn. I did a ps -aux \| grep dhc and it returned /sbin/dhclient-2.2.x -q eth0
13:22	<@adamg>	try rebooting
13:22	<dts>	sounds like a plan
13:22	<@caker>	that's odd
13:23	<NeXTer>	Or /etc/init.d/dhcp-client stop
13:23	<SupaDongzu>	but check your drive geometry first
13:23	<guinea-pig>	and don't forget the turn signal
13:24	<schweeb>	dhclient will stay in the background after every time you use it, and won't die after you change to static
13:25	<schweeb>	every time you run it from the cmd line, it starts up another dhclient process
13:25	<dts>	used to be gone now after reboot; I was really, really hoping I wouldn't have to reboot
13:26	<dts>	I should say, there are no more dhcp references from ps
13:26	<@adamg>	I really really should get some coding done
13:26	<dts>	But I still don't know if my virtual interface/2nd IP made it in
13:27	<dts>	That makes two of us
13:28	<dts>	hey, is there any special I need to do to get my changes to /etc/resolv.conf be recognized?
13:29	<NeXTer>	No
13:29	<dts>	cool
13:32	<dts>	Now I just need to figure out how to get my damn Bind server running!
13:32	<dts>	Actually, it is running, just not running correctly!
13:34	<SupaDongzu>	FIX IT!!!
13:34	<dts>	It's not resolving
13:34	<dts>	Rather than behaving badly
13:34	<SupaDongzu>	FIIIIIXIIIIIIIT
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13:36	<guinea-pig>	wonderful
13:37	<@adamg>	bored
13:40	<dts>	You fix it dammit
13:40	<dts>	I've been trying to fix this thing for a couple of days
13:42	<dts>	I can't even reach the damn thing from the outside world
13:43	<@caker>	dts: can't even reach which, the Linode, or your dns server?
13:43	<dts>	dns server...nslookups time out and go nowhere
13:44	<@adamg>	caker, I have come up with my list of how many linodes I want..
13:44	<@adamg>	dts what is the ip of your dns server and a domain served by it?
13:44	<@caker>	dts: want me to have a look?
13:44	<@caker>	adamg: sweet, care to share?
13:44	<dts>	simcik.com 64.5.53.240
13:44	<dts>	sure!
13:45	<@caker>	dts: ticket me your root pass, please
13:45	<@adamg>	and the nameserver
13:45	<@caker>	erm
13:45	<dts>	k, one sec
13:45	<@caker>	nslookup yahoo.com 64.5.53.240 works fine
13:45	<@adamg>	dts: I am assuming you have registered your nameservers
13:46	<@adamg>	so you have
13:47	<dts>	yep
13:47	<@adamg>	18:46:24 -> Lame delegation for simcik.com. on dns1.simcik.com. (64.5.53.240)
13:47	<dts>	ticket is in
13:48	<dts>	Lame delegation?
13:48	<dts>	so it's doing lookups for other domains just peachy, but it's a lame duck for my own domain?
13:48	<@adamg>	yep
13:49	<k4k0>	caker thanks :)
13:49	<k4k0>	adamg thanks :D
13:49	<@caker>	k4k0: you're welcome
13:49	<@caker>	dts: ok first thing I notice is ..
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13:49	<@caker>	dts: your zone file for the domian looks like a named.conf, not a zone
13:50	<@caker>	dts: never mind
13:50	<@caker>	up arrow got me
13:51	<dts>	:-)
13:51	<dts>	Debian has a slightly different DNS config out of the box
13:51	<guinea-pig>	eh?
13:51	<dts>	file locations are not quite where you'd expect them to be
13:51	<guinea-pig>	/etc/bind/ duh
13:52	<guinea-pig>	:P
13:52	<dts>	well, compared to RH
13:52	<guinea-pig>	which version of bind?
13:52	<guinea-pig>	haha. don't compare anything to RH
13:52	<dts>	apt-install got me version 8.2.2~something to that effect
13:52	<guinea-pig>	right
13:52	<dts>	I checked for Bind 9, but no luck
13:52	<guinea-pig>	because bind 9.x is in the bind9 package
13:52	<guinea-pig>	dunno if it's in stable, though
13:53	<dts>	nah, checked through the apt package search (Web)
13:53	<guinea-pig>	oh, of course it is. it's had security updates
13:53	<dts>	at least I think I did
13:53	<dts>	:-P
13:53	<guinea-pig>	ANYWAY
13:54	<@caker>	zone "simcik.com" in {
13:54	<@caker>	that "in" an error?
13:54	<dts>	don't think so
13:54	<@caker>	well, I removed it and it seems to be working
13:54	<guinea-pig>	zone "parsed.net" { type master; file "/etc/bind/parsed.net.zone"; };
13:55	<@caker>	working now?
13:55	<dts>	really?
13:55	<dts>	what's the path you were looking at for named.conf?
13:55	<Newsome>	usually, it would just be 'zone "simcik.com" {'
13:56	<dts>	the one I'm looking at still has the 'in'
13:56	<@caker>	I've never seen the "in" before ..
13:56	<@adamg>	from what I can remeber it is optional
13:56	<dts>	I might have brain farted and put it in after modifying something like in-addr.arpa...
13:57	<guinea-pig>	it might no longer be optional :P
13:57	<@adamg>	although the way bind is you never know
13:57	<NeXTer>	I hope you have your domains in named.conf.local and not named.conf?
13:57	<@caker>	hrm .. error in your zone file
13:57	<dts>	nope, actually the O'Reilly DNS & BIND book I was using has it
13:57	<guinea-pig>	but bind should error on it when loading the zones
13:57	<dts>	pg 70, if anyone cares
13:57	<guinea-pig>	if it's an error
13:57	<@caker>	simcik.com. IN SOA dns1.simcik.com. support.simcik.com. {
13:57	<@caker>	{ should be (
13:57	<dts>	in stands for Internet
13:58	<dts>	nope, not confusing the two files
13:58	<@caker>	working now :)
13:58	<NeXTer>	dts: What?
13:58	<dts>	but if it doesn't work, it doesn't work
13:58	<guinea-pig>	mmm
13:58	<@caker>	strange that bind didn't complain louder
13:58	<guinea-pig>	always check /var/log/daemon.log for errors when having trouble with bind :D
13:59	<guinea-pig>	caker: it would've just refused to load the zone, probably?
13:59	<dts>	that the bloodly log! I was looking in /var/log/messages, per the book
13:59	<dts>	stupid book!!!
13:59	<guinea-pig>	haha messages
13:59	<@caker>	guinea-pig: mine is very verbose regarding errors in config/zone .. maybe just my settings
13:59	<guinea-pig>	caker: verbose to where ?
13:59	<@caker>	guinea-pig: redhat
13:59	<@caker>	so messages
14:00	<guinea-pig>	caker: i meant to console, logfile, etc
14:00	<guinea-pig>	you've gotta know where to look
14:00	<@caker>	guinea-pig: /var/log/messages
14:00	<NeXTer>	dts: What was that about not confusing files?
14:00	<@adamg>	which is the biggest problem different distros log to different places
14:00	<Newsome>	learn something new every day, I guess: zone domain_name [ ( in \| hs \| hesiod \| chaos ) ] {
14:00	<guinea-pig>	all i have in my messages is --MARK-- after --MARK-- and kernel level output
14:01	<@caker>	my zones have no {} 's
14:01	<guinea-pig>	mmm chaos
14:01	<dts>	In the DNS & Bind book I was using to configure BIND, it said to include "in" after the zone in the named.conf file for Bind 8 & 9
14:01	<dts>	that to confuse...errrr, help ;-)
14:02	<guinea-pig>	better to specify than to let it assume what you mean
14:02	<dts>	glad to confuse...errrr, help ;-)
14:02	<Newsome>	yes, it does say that
14:02	<guinea-pig>	suppose some day it defaults to something other than in
14:02	<dts>	well, including "in" broke the damn thing!
14:02	<dts>	at least on Debian/Bind 8.x.x
14:02	<guinea-pig>	erm... i thought it was the { vs ( issue
14:03	<@adamg>	it did appear to be the {
14:03	<@caker>	dts: you should get rid of the 64.5.53.in-addr.arpa zone since you're not authoritative, and you'll won't get the rdns for all the other IPs in that zone
14:03	<@caker>	s/you'll/you/
14:03	*	guinea-pig adds in to his named.conf.local
14:03	<Newsome>	{ vs ( was why it was only affecting his zone
14:04	<Newsome>	cool stuff
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14:05	<NeXTer>	dts: And you really should change to bind9 instead
14:05	<guinea-pig>	apt-get install bind9 :D
14:05	<guinea-pig>	i only changed to bind9 myself because of some stupidness with a specific domain i don't care about anymore :P
14:06	<dts>	okay, so "in" good, curly brace bad
14:06	<@adamg>	yes
14:06	<guinea-pig>	curly brace good in the right place :P
14:07	<dts>	int void main(){ }
14:07	<NeXTer>	bind8 is an ex-bind. It's deceased. It's not pining for the fjords
14:07	<SupaDongzu>	ha ha int void
14:07	<dts>	oops
14:08	<@caker>	unsigned void
14:08	*	caker ponders
14:08	<@adamg>	the joys of c
14:09	<dts>	damn, I forgot return(0);
14:10	<dts>	Thanks for all of your help!!!!
14:10	<@caker>	no problem
14:12	<@adamg>	pondering is always good, esp with a nice single malt and some jazz music
14:12	<dts>	port's better
14:13	<@adamg>	not found on port, brandy maybe
14:13	<dts>	I like her too
14:16	<@adamg>	afk
14:17	<dts>	Hey, not to beat a horse, but would anyone like to offer up which mail server they prefer?
14:17	<SupaDongzu>	haha
14:17	<schweeb>	postfix + courier
14:17	<SupaDongzu>	postfix is a clear winner for performance and stability, and exim is a good option for super configurability
14:17	<SupaDongzu>	I use exim only because I've got mad customizations
14:18	<dts>	SupaDongzu, are you that crazy asian guy that laughs at everything?
14:18	<NeXTer>	dts: Postfix + Courier. Can't go wrong with that combo. Preferably you should throw SpamAssassin (or equivalent) and ProcMail into the mix as well
14:20	<schweeb>	I've been running postfix + courier for 1 year now, no complaints whatsoever
14:21	<SupaDongzu>	dts: I am not asian
14:21	<schweeb>	the only problems that come up are when a coworker decides to "implement a feature" which really means "fuck schweeb's config up and destroy mail delivery"
14:26	<dts>	:-P
14:26	<dts>	Supa: then what's a Dongzu
14:27	<NeXTer>	You don't want to know
14:27	<dts>	Nuff said!
14:28	<NeXTer>	schweeb: You mean you let people touch your servers? That's not good
14:28	<@adamg>	back
14:30	<SupaDongzu>	You show disrespect for teh supa dongzu!
14:30	<@adamg>	role on the summer
14:31	<SupaDongzu>	dts = WeakYaozu
14:31	<schweeb>	NeXTer: I'm not the only admin here
14:31	<NeXTer>	Nasty
14:31	<schweeb>	the entire IT dept does administration
14:32	<NeXTer>	Not good, not good at all. Shared power is no power :P
14:32	<schweeb>	I just do initial setup, and if they have a project where they need to add stuff to it, they do it themselves
15:17	<dts>	Supa, now what the heck does that mean?
15:17	<@inkblot>	ha ha
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15:27	<@adamg>	erm
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15:42	*	caker orders host17
15:42	<@adamg>	only the one
15:42	<@caker>	stupid debit card daily limit
15:42	<@adamg>	you will have to get them to increase them
15:42	<@adamg>	it rather
15:43	<@caker>	yup .. did that last time, and they only did it for that day! duh!
15:43	<@adamg>	same spec as the last?
15:43	<@caker>	yes
15:43	<@caker>	4giggers
15:43	<@adamg>	that is not very nice
15:43	<schweeb>	just get a business charge card
15:43	<schweeb>	many of them have no limit
15:43	<hawk>	anyone using qmail + vpopmail ??
15:43	<@caker>	schweeb: it is :(
15:43	<@adamg>	mine has a limit
15:44	<@adamg>	depends how much the banks trust you
15:44	<schweeb>	charge card, or credit card (not the same)
15:44	<@caker>	I need to get a business credit card
15:44	<@adamg>	business credit cards are good
15:44	<schweeb>	credit you pay interest on unless you pay it off every month, charge card has no limit, but you must pay it off every month
15:46	<@adamg>	helps keep business and personal seperate
16:00	<@caker>	Are there any sites covering the Linux expo in NYC?
16:01	<@adamg>	there should be
16:02	<SupaDongzu>	haha
16:02	<SupaDongzu>	okay
16:02	<SupaDongzu>	I was on the founding committee for LINC, which became LinuxWorld #1
16:02	<@adamg>	covering in what way
16:02	<SupaDongzu>	I wrote the coverage for linuxworld.com
16:02	<SupaDongzu>	basically linuxworld has been a rapid decline since then
16:05	<@caker>	ah hah .. radio interviews
16:05	<@caker>	ugh .. 10k/sec
16:06	<@adamg>	proabably in high demand
16:06	<@caker>	man IBM is pushing Linux
16:06	<@adamg>	ibm have been pushing linux for ages
16:06	<@caker>	with their Eminem-at-8-look-a-like
16:07	<@caker>	"I'm cleaning out my (server) closet"
16:08	<@caker>	uh oh .. g/f cleaned the apt and now I'm missing some parts
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16:10	<@adamg>	big bits are small bits
16:10	<@caker>	rack screws
16:10	<@caker>	in a little bag
16:11	<@adamg>	well there probably in a bin then
16:13	<@adamg>	the smallest things always seem to be the most important
16:13	<SupaDongzu>	<Cakers_GF> Ladies and gentlemen, who'll give me fifty for this LVM backplane?
16:15	<@caker>	:)
16:16	<guinea-pig>	haha. mcdonald's was founded by a Kroc
16:16	<@adamg>	the question is thought would she know what an LVM backplane is!
16:16	<@adamg>	a very rich one
16:16	<@adamg>	who just gave a billion + to the SA
16:16	<guinea-pig>	yeah i know
16:16	<guinea-pig>	friend of mine works at the SA
16:16	<@adamg>	it is all over the news over here
16:17	<@adamg>	although apparently it has caused alot of problems
16:17	<guinea-pig>	oh?
16:17	<guinea-pig>	do tell
16:17	<@adamg>	the money it to build community centers
16:17	<@adamg>	but community centers
16:17	<@adamg>	swimming pools tennis courts etc
16:17	<@adamg>	s/but/big
16:17	<guinea-pig>	...
16:17	<guinea-pig>	i got that much
16:17	<@adamg>	half of the money to be spend on the centers and the other half to be put in trust
16:18	<@adamg>	with the intrest from the trust used to pay for the centers
16:18	<@adamg>	the problem is the intrest will only cover about 50% of the running costs
16:18	<@adamg>	so the SA has to generate an extra 70 mill a year in fund raising to cover the rest of the costs
16:19	<SupaDongzu>	guinea-pig: read Fast Food Nation
16:21	<@caker>	amazing .. she knew where they were
16:21	<guinea-pig>	she could've specified it was all to be used for building community centers
16:21	<guinea-pig>	in which case they'd be royally screwed :P
16:21	<@adamg>	that is the problem someone else tidys up knows exactly where everything was but it takes you days to find things
16:21	<SupaDongzu>	to the king!
16:22	<@adamg>	they would not have excepted the money
16:22	<@adamg>	apparently it took them 2-3 months of soul searching to work out if they should take the money or not
16:22	<SupaDongzu>	hahahaha
16:23	<guinea-pig>	nobody tidies up in here
16:23	<guinea-pig>	not even me
16:23	<guinea-pig>	i know where everything is. it's just how many layers it's under that i can't remember
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16:55	<@adamg>	l
16:56	<@caker>	servers shipped
16:56	<@adamg>	cool
16:56	<@caker>	and a very hurting back to prove it
16:57	<@adamg>	they cant be that heavy!
16:57	<@adamg>	are the rack screws going in a safe place this time
16:57	<@caker>	39 lbs for each server
16:58	<@caker>	problem was I picked up two at once...
16:58	<@adamg>	and that in metric is
16:58	<@inkblot>	rack screws are surprizingly heavy
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16:58	<@adamg>	huh
16:59	<@tjfontaine>	sighup, convert 39 lbs to grams
16:59	<sighup>	39 lbs is 17690.1 grams.
16:59	<@tjfontaine>	sighup, convert 39 lbs to kilograms
16:59	<sighup>	39 lbs is 17.6901 kilograms.
16:59	<@adamg>	sighup 335755 / 1024
16:59	<sighup>	327.8857421875
16:59	<@adamg>	sighup 335755 / 1024 /1024
16:59	<sighup>	0.32020092010498
16:59	<@adamg>	thats not that heavy then
17:00	*	caker didn't lift with his knees
17:00	<@adamg>	I used to dead lift 10 times that
17:00	<@inkblot>	and carry?
17:00	<@adamg>	then it is your own fault then
17:01	<@caker>	adamg: yup .. this is the first time I've ever hurt my back like this.. I don't think I did anything permanent
17:01	<@adamg>	hot bath
17:02	<@adamg>	or a good turkish massage
17:02	<SupaDongzu>	in a turkish prison
17:02	<@tjfontaine>	How long for the sausages?
17:02	<@tjfontaine>	5mins turkish
17:02	<@tjfontaine>	it was 5 mins 10 mins ago
17:04	<SupaDongzu>	5 of your earth minutes
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17:09	<schweeb>	tjfontaine: <3 Snatch
17:10	<@tjfontaine>	aye, tis great fun
17:26	<EFudd>	http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/in_class.jpg
17:26	<@adamg>	lol
17:27	<@caker>	that went around my local LUG mailing list .. can you find the bug?
17:28	<@caker>	not really a bug... but a formatting error
17:28	<EFudd>	no newline?
17:28	<@caker>	yup
17:28	<EFudd>	geek
17:28	<EFudd>	:)
17:28	<@caker>	heh
17:28	<@adamg>	and he would be a line short
17:29	<@caker>	I don't think so
17:29	<@caker>	?
17:29	<@tjfontaine>	nor do I
17:29	<@adamg>	didnt see the = sign
17:30	<@adamg>	arrah I got get some coding done
17:30	<EFudd>	jasonl@foobar tmp $ ./class \|wc -l
17:30	<EFudd>	500
17:30	<EFudd>	lol. i /thought/ it was right. but tested it to be sure.
17:31	<@caker>	funny
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19:08	<@adamg>	anyone alive
19:09	<NeXTer>	Define alive
19:09	<@adamg>	able to read the screen and type on the keyboard
19:09	<@adamg>	I would take almost comatosed
19:09	<NeXTer>	Well, in that case there might be a couple around...
19:10	<guinea-sleep>	i'll offer a "just finished supper but was almost asleep an hour ago and will continue the trend soon"
19:10	<@adamg>	what time is it over there
19:10	<guinea-sleep>	Thu Jan 22 19:10:55 EST 2004
19:11	<guinea-sleep>	what difference does that make?
19:11	<@adamg>	just wondering
19:11	<guinea-sleep>	must you impose your nine-to-five world on everyone?!
19:11	<@adamg>	I do not have a 9-5 world
19:11	<guinea-sleep>	DOWN WITH THE MAN
19:11	<guinea-sleep>	me neither
19:11	<guinea-sleep>	i've a 4-noon world
19:11	<@adamg>	I just get confused between time zones
19:11	<guinea-sleep>	:< :< :<
19:12	<@adamg>	starting next monday may world will probably be 7am till 4am with 3 hours sleep
19:12	<guinea-sleep>	cool
19:12	<NeXTer>	Ick
19:12	<NeXTer>	What for?
19:12	<guinea-sleep>	don't forget to take naps if you can :D
19:12	<@adamg>	I have lots of uni work to do
19:13	<NeXTer>	Nasty
19:13	<guinea-sleep>	s/can/need to/
19:13	<@adamg>	I can survive on 3 hours sleep a day for about 4 days and then sleep for about 12 hours and then the cycle starts again
19:14	<@adamg>	it is not that bad when you get used to it
19:14	<guinea-sleep>	surviving isn't bad
19:14	<guinea-sleep>	it's just the waking up
19:14	<@adamg>	exactly
19:14	<guinea-sleep>	i only got 1.5 hours the other night. was wide awake all day :D
19:14	<@adamg>	the hardest bit if getting out of bed
19:14	<guinea-sleep>	you do it because you have to
19:15	<@adamg>	but once out of bed it is usually fine
19:15	<@adamg>	as long as you dont stop
19:15	<guinea-sleep>	oh see
19:15	<@adamg>	basically
19:15	<guinea-sleep>	that's my problem
19:15	<guinea-sleep>	laptop in bed...
19:15	<guinea-sleep>	i don't really wake up until i look at the clock and realise I should be putting the car in gear at that very moment :P
19:16	<@adamg>	I would love to say I am not that bad, but I will probably spend 10pm till 3-4am in the unix lab at uni
19:16	<guinea-sleep>	laptop is just a ssh client with two consoles
19:17	<@adamg>	the good things about working at uni is that it is a better atmosphere to work in
19:17	<@adamg>	anyway does that passage of text on this page read right
19:17	<@adamg>	http://adhaero.hat-technologies.ltd.uk/text.html
19:17	<@adamg>	and yes I know my english and spelling is shite
19:18	<guinea-sleep>	while i look, for your entertainment: http://www.kleinbottle.com/klein_bottle_hats.htm
19:19	<guinea-sleep>	shrug looks fine to me
19:19	<@adamg>	k
19:20	<@adamg>	danke
19:25	<NeXTer>	Uhm... No, it's not quite right
19:25	<NeXTer>	Oh, wait... Nevermind
19:25	<NeXTer>	Guess I'm more tired than I thought
19:25	<guinea-sleep>	i was wondering about via vs to our servers
19:25	<@adamg>	?
19:25	<guinea-sleep>	but it is via in the end
19:26	<guinea-sleep>	just at the specific moment the primary mx is down, it's to, not via :P
19:27	<@adamg>	so instead of (which is spelt wrong) devlivered via our it should be devlivered to our
19:27	<guinea-sleep>	i didn't notice the spelling
19:28	<guinea-sleep>	half asleep
19:28	<@adamg>	neither did I till I just re-read it
19:28	<@adamg>	well I was up at 7 this morning, which is stupidly early and didnt get to sleep till gone 2 so had about 5 hours
19:29	<@adamg>	I think via sounds better
19:30	<@adamg>	as all the backup mx is, is a relay
19:30	<@adamg>	it is forwarded onto the primary mx once it comes on line
19:30	<NeXTer>	Ya, just clean it up and it's fine :)
19:31	<@adamg>	clean it up in what way spelling/
19:31	<NeXTer>	Ya
19:31	<@adamg>	done think I got them all
19:33	<@adamg>	done
19:34	<@adamg>	but time to sleep, night all
19:35	<NeXTer>	Night
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20:37	<binbrain>	wow
20:37	<binbrain>	people are in here
20:37	<binbrain>	and it runs fast
20:37	<binbrain>	what linoders
20:37	<binbrain>	errr
20:37	<binbrain>	can linode.com dns for you?
20:37	<NeXTer>	What are you driveling about?
20:38	*	binbrain doesn't know
20:38	<NeXTer>	No, but you can DNS for you
20:38	<binbrain>	you can dns for your self?
20:38	<binbrain>	i didn't think you could do that
20:38	<NeXTer>	Of course