| --- | Log | opened Tue Jan 06 00:00:04 2004 |
| --- | Day | changed Tue Jan 06 2004 |
| 00:00 | <@inkblot> | :D |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: snotback |
| 00:00 | <sighup> | SSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRKKKK! |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: snotback |
| 00:00 | * | sighup sneezes |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 00:00 | <@inkblot> | sighup, 1 + 1 |
| 00:00 | <sighup> | 2 |
| 00:00 | <@inkblot> | sighup, d/dx(e^x) |
| 00:00 | <sighup> | inkblot: i'm not following you... |
| 00:01 | + | michael [~michael@dhcp024-208-191-128.columbus.rr.com] joined #linode |
| 00:01 | <@inkblot> | sighup, d/dx(e^x) is <reply> e^x |
| 00:01 | <sighup> | OK, inkblot. |
| 00:01 | <@inkblot> | sighup, d/dx(e^x) |
| 00:01 | <sighup> | e^x |
| 00:01 | <@inkblot> | t/hee |
| 00:01 | <@tjfontaine> | derivitaves! |
| 00:01 | <@tjfontaine> | aaahhhh |
| 00:01 | <@inkblot> | i know! |
| 00:01 | <@tjfontaine> | must not look |
| 00:01 | <@tjfontaine> | don't look at the ark |
| 00:01 | <@tjfontaine> | don't! |
| 00:01 | <@tjfontaine> | don't! |
| 00:01 | <@tjfontaine> | don't! |
| 00:01 | michael | is now known as Guest245 |
| 00:01 | <@inkblot> | sighup, d/dx(kx^n) is <reply> ask tjfontaine |
| 00:01 | <sighup> | OK, inkblot. |
| 00:02 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:02 | * | tjfontaine runs away quick-fast like |
| 00:02 | <@inkblot> | ha ha |
| 00:02 | * | inkblot waves his bright shiny maths degree at tjfontaine |
| 00:03 | <@tjfontaine> | one day I'll have one too, one day |
| 00:03 | <@tjfontaine> | e at anyrate is an evil evil number |
| 00:03 | <@inkblot> | i've forgotten most of it |
| 00:03 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: I got a secret |
| 00:03 | <@inkblot> | no it isn't |
| 00:03 | * | tjfontaine no likey e |
| 00:03 | * | tjfontaine no likey ln |
| 00:03 | <@inkblot> | :P |
| 00:03 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: ? |
| 00:03 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: I got me a bright shiney bash.cx admin account :p |
| 00:04 | <@tjfontaine> | heheh |
| 00:04 | <@tjfontaine> | oooh purty :-) |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | we were discussing sql queries ealier |
| 00:04 | <@tjfontaine> | I caught some of it |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | so he gave me an admin account because it adds a print queries link at the bottom |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | well we discussed at length in privmsg |
| 00:04 | <@tjfontaine> | neato dorito |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | when you left earlier for an hour or so after that |
| 00:05 | <@mikegrb> | the print queries link is nifty though |
| 00:05 | + | ElfStone [elfstone@host-69-48-13-247.roc.choiceone.net] joined #linode |
| 00:05 | <@tjfontaine> | inkblot: if evrything in my life were in the form of a math test I think I would be a lot happier |
| 00:05 | <@inkblot> | eh |
| 00:05 | <ElfStone> | tjfontaine: you like math that much? |
| 00:05 | <@caker> | sighup: bash 15697 |
| 00:05 | <@tjfontaine> | ElfStone: no its just soemthing thats always come to me |
| 00:05 | <ElfStone> | ah |
| 00:05 | <ElfStone> | i dislike math |
| 00:06 | <ElfStone> | evil math a |
| 00:06 | <ElfStone> | sighup math a |
| 00:06 | <sighup> | ElfStone: what? |
| 00:06 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:06 | <@tjfontaine> | inkblot: I had my first 'math' class in 3 years this past semester made me want to change my major |
| 00:06 | <ElfStone> | lol i had to repeat gemoetery |
| 00:06 | <@inkblot> | tjfontaine, when are you going to graduate? |
| 00:06 | Guest245 | is now known as sadjester |
| 00:07 | <@tjfontaine> | inkblot: not soon enough, my silly procrastinating arse probably cost me another semester, so 2 years |
| 00:07 | <@inkblot> | i had maths all eight years of high school and college |
| 00:07 | <@inkblot> | it was great |
| 00:07 | <@tjfontaine> | math is something that always came easy for me, I should follow it through |
| 00:07 | <@inkblot> | i never got tired of the stuff |
| 00:07 | <ElfStone> | tjfontaine: what is your major |
| 00:07 | <@tjfontaine> | ElfStone: CIS |
| 00:07 | <ElfStone> | ah |
| 00:07 | <@inkblot> | <-- CSC/MAT double |
| 00:07 | <ElfStone> | hehe |
| 00:07 | <ElfStone> | i am in CIS in hs |
| 00:08 | <@tjfontaine> | inkblot: thats probably along the lines what I would go for |
| 00:08 | <@inkblot> | <-- CSC(AI) for my MS |
| 00:08 | <@tjfontaine> | inkblot: I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up, an interesting conundrum fora 21 yo |
| 00:08 | <@tjfontaine> | oh my |
| 00:08 | <@tjfontaine> | AI? |
| 00:08 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:08 | <@tjfontaine> | jebus |
| 00:08 | <@inkblot> | tjfontaine, even more so for a 24yo |
| 00:08 | <@tjfontaine> | heh |
| 00:08 | <@inkblot> | aye, AI |
| 00:08 | <ElfStone> | tjfontaine: i know what i want to be |
| 00:08 | <ElfStone> | can you guess |
| 00:08 | <@tjfontaine> | an elf? |
| 00:08 | <@tjfontaine> | a troll? |
| 00:08 | <@tjfontaine> | a dwarf? |
| 00:08 | <ElfStone> | no >.< |
| 00:09 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:09 | <@mikegrb> | #2, pick #2 |
| 00:09 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:09 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb shoudl beable to |
| 00:09 | <@mikegrb> | an elf? |
| 00:09 | <@tjfontaine> | I still think its a troll "What is your quest" |
| 00:09 | <@mikegrb> | a troll? |
| 00:09 | <ElfStone> | nono >.< |
| 00:09 | <ElfStone> | naw |
| 00:09 | <@mikegrb> | a dwarf? |
| 00:10 | <vitrum> | a hobbit? |
| 00:10 | <@tjfontaine> | heh |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | caker can you take a guess |
| 00:10 | <@tjfontaine> | halfling!! |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | nonono |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | noting realted to my nick |
| 00:10 | <@caker> | ElfStone: host of Queer Eye? |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | LOL |
| 00:10 | <@tjfontaine> | rofl |
| 00:10 | <vitrum> | lol |
| 00:10 | <@tjfontaine> | lmfao |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | that is just wrong |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | USA |
| 00:10 | <@caker> | did I get it right? |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | or a UNA |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | no |
| 00:10 | <@tjfontaine> | you want to be the Uniated States of America? |
| 00:10 | <vitrum> | lol |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | no |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | Unix Network Administaor |
| 00:11 | <@tjfontaine> | you know the USofA is the Antichrist right? |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | or a CIS |
| 00:11 | <@tjfontaine> | CIS is for those who couldn't hack CS (trust me I know) |
| 00:11 | <@tjfontaine> | I code php for a livin hehe |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | if i put my mind to it |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | i could |
| 00:11 | <ElfStone> | i mean i could hack |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | but i am againsit itr |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | *it |
| 00:12 | <@tjfontaine> | hmm |
| 00:12 | * | tjfontaine uses jedi mind powers to hack at work |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | hrm |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | i am not totaly against packeting tho |
| 00:12 | <@mikegrb> | I hate packing |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | that is why I got married |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | she packs for me |
| 00:13 | * | tjfontaine ddos' you |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | it is great |
| 00:13 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:13 | <sighup> | Either that quote id does't exist, or bash.org is busted at the moment. |
| 00:13 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: your married? |
| 00:13 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: does yours clean house? |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | caker: bash is done |
| 00:13 | <@inkblot> | ha ha |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: sometimes |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: she did like three loads of laundry and three loads of dishes today |
| 00:13 | <ElfStone> | tjfontaine: as long as it is not towards me |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: cleaned the living room |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: amazing |
| 00:13 | * | tjfontaine needs one who cleans houses |
| 00:14 | <@tjfontaine> | I was thinking of renting me out a MollyMaid(tm) they are probably a lot less hassle than my gf |
| 00:14 | <@tjfontaine> | maybe a bit more open too... hmm |
| 00:14 | <vitrum> | buy one of those vacum cleaning robot cards that drive around the house cleaning up stuff :) |
| 00:14 | <vitrum> | cards = cars |
| 00:15 | <@tjfontaine> | oh oh oh, I want rosie the robot from the jetsons |
| 00:15 | * | mikegrb too |
| 00:15 | <vitrum> | buy a qrio :) |
| 00:15 | <@tjfontaine> | she was hott |
| 00:15 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:15 | <@tjfontaine> | and that voice... oh she would drive me crazy |
| 00:15 | <ElfStone> | caker: you guess yet |
| 00:16 | <@tjfontaine> | ok, so one joke before I go to bed |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | um |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | no idea |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | hosting provider? |
| 00:16 | <ElfStone> | =P |
| 00:16 | <@mikegrb> | caker: if bash.org was hosted on a linode it wouldn't be down |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | hardware reviewer? |
| 00:16 | <@mikegrb> | caker: you should send an email to that affect to them |
| 00:16 | <ElfStone> | noone can guess cuz i dun talk about myself often |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | hehe |
| 00:16 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:16 | <ElfStone> | caker a UNA |
| 00:17 | <@tjfontaine> | theres this mom, she's got three kids one in elementary school, one in high school, and a 21yo bum who never does anything |
| 00:17 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: see my first http://www.railfan.ca pictures? |
| 00:17 | <@caker> | ElfStone: network admin? |
| 00:17 | <@inkblot> | tjfontaine, yours? |
| 00:17 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: http://thegrebs.com/construction/ |
| 00:17 | <@tjfontaine> | so she's makin dinner for them all, and reaches for the salt and she accidentally grabs a bag of beebee's and puts it in the soup |
| 00:17 | <ElfStone> | caker yea |
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| 00:17 | <bji> | Hey yo |
| 00:18 | <@tjfontaine> | she says "oh its no big deal, it all settle in the bottom they'll never know" |
| 00:18 | <ElfStone> | caker: allready started |
| 00:18 | <@caker> | hello bji |
| 00:18 | <bji> | I'm happy with my Linode |
| 00:18 | <@tjfontaine> | so they have dinner and the night goes by and its the next day |
| 00:18 | <bji> | I've bought a yearly subscription |
| 00:18 | <bji> | I'm wondering if there can be any kind of off-the-record comments about what Linodes will look like next year |
| 00:18 | <@caker> | bji: :) |
| 00:18 | <@tjfontaine> | the little elementary kid comes home and goes... "mommy! mommy! mommy! when I went to the bathroom I pee'd beebee's |
| 00:18 | <@tjfontaine> | " |
| 00:19 | <bji> | I'm sure that this time next year I will be bumping up against my disk quota |
| 00:19 | <@caker> | bji: what kind of info are you looking for? |
| 00:19 | <bji> | Disk gets cheaper every year |
| 00:19 | <@tjfontaine> | so the mom replies: "Oh honey, its ok I know... nothing's wrong, now go on" |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: is that possible? |
| 00:19 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: ... |
| 00:19 | <bji> | Shouldn't our Linode disk space get bigger every year ? |
| 00:19 | <@caker> | bji: maybe.... |
| 00:19 | <bji> | Next year is a long time away |
| 00:19 | <@tjfontaine> | so the highschool kid comes home and says "Mom, I went ot he bathroom today and well I pissed beebee's" |
| 00:20 | <@tjfontaine> | the mom's like: "Oh honey its ok I know, don't worry about it" |
| 00:20 | <@caker> | bji: the hard part will be existing machines with set hd sizes |
| 00:20 | * | inkblot knows where this joke is going |
| 00:20 | <@tjfontaine> | so the 21yo bum comes in from the garage "Mom you'll never know what just..." |
| 00:20 | * | vitrum fears where this joke is going |
| 00:20 | <@inkblot> | totally |
| 00:20 | <@tjfontaine> | the mom interrupts..."Oh honey I know you went to the bathroom and pee'd beebee's" |
| 00:20 | <bji> | I could understand some downtime |
| 00:20 | <@tjfontaine> | the boy responds "nah, I was just playin with myself and I shot the dog" |
| 00:21 | * | tjfontaine makes the rimshot noise |
| 00:21 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:21 | <bji> | But it should be possible to up the disk sizes for a machine, as long as the downtime is acceptable by everyone |
| 00:21 | <vitrum> | haha :) |
| 00:21 | <@inkblot> | sighup, rimshot is <action> bangs out a rimshot!|<reply> bada-boom!|<action> *rimroll* *high hat* |
| 00:21 | * | tjfontaine watches the lead balloon crash |
| 00:21 | <sighup> | OK, inkblot. |
| 00:22 | <@caker> | bji: based on my experience at XO, duplicating a 200gb drive would take hours and hours |
| 00:22 | <bji> | It's just something I've been thinking about. Because I am so satisfied with my Linode, but I am already at 80% disk space usage, and in a year I'm sure it will be up close to 100%. |
| 00:22 | <@mikegrb> | http://thegrebs.com/construction/p1050019.jpg <-- rail road workes using tape measure to measure distance between new rail road ties |
| 00:22 | <bji> | Well |
| 00:22 | <bji> | There are I suppose other ways |
| 00:22 | <@mikegrb> | s/workes/workers/ |
| 00:22 | <bji> | Than duping disks |
| 00:22 | <bji> | Or filesystems, more likely |
| 00:23 | <ElfStone> | caker: you chooseing xo next?> |
| 00:23 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: was dat for? |
| 00:23 | <@caker> | ElfStone: no, but thats where my webservers are |
| 00:23 | <ElfStone> | ah k |
| 00:23 | <bji> | Linodes could be done one-at-a-time, transferring them to a new system and then bringing them back up again. |
| 00:23 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: hmm? for railfan.ca type site |
| 00:23 | <@caker> | ElfStone: their support blows big time |
| 00:23 | <bji> | The new system would have bigger hard drives |
| 00:23 | * | mikegrb is listening to trains in canada via live scanner feed :) |
| 00:23 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: ah :-) k |
| 00:24 | <@tjfontaine> | rofl |
| 00:24 | <@tjfontaine> | too much time, too mcuh time |
| 00:24 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: was neat to see all that equipment there |
| 00:24 | <bji> | Then the whole disk swap could happen at one time, with the system that the Linodes were transferred to being shut down and its drives taken out and used to replace the drives in the original machine |
| 00:24 | <@mikegrb> | heh got another pick |
| 00:24 | <@mikegrb> | er pick |
| 00:24 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: tonka trucks! |
| 00:24 | <bji> | Would require an extra system for this purpose, but I guess would be diable |
| 00:24 | <ElfStone> | caker: try sago |
| 00:24 | <bji> | I mean doable |
| 00:24 | <@caker> | bji: hard drives and processors will be faster, therefore just an increased ratio in # of linodes per host |
| 00:24 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: you like trains >.< your like my dad |
| 00:24 | <@caker> | bji: but there is some headroom I have to work with |
| 00:25 | * | inkblot used to tune in to o'hare approach |
| 00:25 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: http://www.railfan.ca/Milton_27.07.03_4128.jpg |
| 00:25 | <bji> | I'm talking about keeping the same hardware on a Linode host system, except for the disk drives |
| 00:25 | <@caker> | bji: ask me again in a few weeks |
| 00:25 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: that is a detector |
| 00:25 | <bji> | Using a second system as a temporary repository |
| 00:25 | <bji> | Oh it's not something I'm concerned about now |
| 00:25 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: when the train goes past the camera counts axels |
| 00:25 | <bji> | But I might be concerned this coming August |
| 00:25 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: radar from shack measures speed |
| 00:25 | <bji> | Cause I will want my yearly subscription to buy me a little more next year, in keeping with technology advances |
| 00:25 | <bji> | That's all |
| 00:25 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: sensors on track measure wheel temperatures |
| 00:26 | <@caker> | bji: good point |
| 00:26 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: lol |
| 00:26 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: ahhh derivatives again! |
| 00:26 | <bji> | I understand that it would not be monetarily feasable for Linode to replace every host every year |
| 00:26 | <bji> | But to add bigger hard drives, would be much less of an expense |
| 00:26 | <bji> | And myself personally, I'm more concerned about the disk space than the processor/memory |
| 00:26 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: one train passes on radio you hear "detector 64.7 Milton, no faults, no faults, 78 axels, 53 km/h. detector ott" |
| 00:27 | <bji> | Because everything on a Linode is burstable and bursts quite well, except for disk space :) |
| 00:27 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: sweet |
| 00:27 | <@inkblot> | well, there's basically two upgrade routes |
| 00:27 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: those black rubber accross the track senses if something is hanging down |
| 00:27 | <@inkblot> | one is rearranging the specs on the packages |
| 00:27 | <@caker> | bji: a few others have expressed the same interest |
| 00:27 | <@inkblot> | which implies universal downtime on a per-host basis, i think |
| 00:27 | <bji> | Also, I just read about a new Canadian company offering UMLs with 10 GB of disk for about the price of a Linode 64 |
| 00:28 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: instead of no faults it might say 2 faults, high temp near 7th axel south rail, machinery dragging near 18th axel |
| 00:28 | <@mikegrb> | +" |
| 00:28 | <@inkblot> | the other is more linodes per host at a lower end-user cost |
| 00:28 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: they are really quoite spiffy |
| 00:28 | <bji> | Which is not to say that I think that Linode's pricing structure is wrong or anything |
| 00:28 | <@inkblot> | that way the user decides when to upgrade |
| 00:28 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: ? |
| 00:28 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: geez, it looks quite low tech |
| 00:28 | <bji> | I think that Linode seems like far and away the best choice for many other reasons |
| 00:28 | <@inkblot> | in order to get the lower price of a denser host and/or more stuff |
| 00:28 | <bji> | It's just that in a year's time I'm sure I will want more for my money, knowing that disk space and other stuff has gone down in price, and I wanted to know if you had any thoughts on that already |
| 00:28 | <bji> | And it seems like, as for most things, you already have :) |
| 00:29 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: but all of that stuff is announced verbally over the radio, and I get to hear it :) |
| 00:29 | <bji> | Inkblot, that is true today, I recognize that and I have said that already |
| 00:29 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: oh also says if a wheel is off the tack :) |
| 00:29 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: heh, /me prefers jazz :-) |
| 00:29 | <bji> | Inkblot, I'm just saying that in a year from now, the costs will be different, and in a year from now, I will expect more from a Linode 64, and I'm wondering how that need will be met with Linode |
| 00:30 | <@tjfontaine> | mikegrb: g'night |
| 00:30 | <@inkblot> | bji, i wouldn't expect more from a Linode 64 |
| 00:30 | <@inkblot> | bji, i'd expect Linode 64 to cost less |
| 00:30 | <@caker> | bji: I'd also like to provide a true backup solution, which factors into the 'value' of the disk space, as well... |
| 00:31 | <bji> | Because, as caker said, upping the resources for everyone is not a trivial issue. I guess that perhaps the easiest way would be to "unload" some of the Linodes off of a system, so that a Linode 64 has less contention for resources, and each Linode 64 on a host could have a larger chunk of everything, including disk space |
| 00:31 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: night |
| 00:31 | <@caker> | bji: which makes it a Linode 96 for the same price, like inkblot mentioned |
| 00:31 | * | inkblot nods |
| 00:31 | <bji> | Well, either way, if the way that tthis is handled is for the price structure to shift so that a Linode 96 in a year from now costs the same as a Linode 64 and I can then upgrade that way, that is fine too |
| 00:31 | <@inkblot> | and then it's the users choice to have downtime or not |
| 00:32 | <@inkblot> | in order to move to L96 |
| 00:32 | <bji> | I guess I was thinking of it more from the end of, the plan stays the same in name and in price, but the resources change |
| 00:32 | <@inkblot> | and to a new host |
| 00:32 | <@caker> | some shuffling would be in order, but I suppose not everyone would have to move |
| 00:32 | <bji> | But if it's just a matter of sliding the pricing scheme down one notch, that's cool too |
| 00:32 | <@inkblot> | i think the price structure should probably reflect the cost of the host |
| 00:33 | <bji> | yes, I agree |
| 00:33 | <@inkblot> | i.e. an L64 on a twice-as-much-stuff host installed next summer for the new price |
| 00:33 | <@inkblot> | or an L64 at the current price on a current host |
| 00:33 | <bji> | Or, migrating half of the linodes off of each Linode 64, turning them into Linode 128's, and charging them the same |
| 00:33 | <@inkblot> | and a requirement to migrate in order to get the new price |
| 00:33 | <@caker> | it would be more Linode 64s on a bigger host, regardless of host specs |
| 00:33 | <@inkblot> | bji, not necessarily even upgrading |
| 00:34 | <@inkblot> | bji, some people might just want the cheaper L64 |
| 00:34 | <bji> | That makes sense |
| 00:34 | <bji> | I guess that keeping the plan the same in terms of specs would be best, since it would avoid confusion about what plan has what features, if they were to change as I suggested |
| 00:35 | <@inkblot> | also, the high end is currently L256 |
| 00:35 | <bji> | So a Linode 64 will always be a Linode 64 (64 Mhz, 64 MB, 2 GB disk) |
| 00:35 | <@inkblot> | at some point, the high end might be L512 |
| 00:35 | <bji> | And the prices would all drop so that those of us who pay for a Linode 64, would have an upgrade path that would make us happy next year |
| 00:36 | <@inkblot> | bji, don't forget the bandwidth |
| 00:36 | <sadjester> | bandwith never goes down in price it seems |
| 00:36 | <@inkblot> | hmmm |
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| 00:36 | <@inkblot> | i suppose not |
| 00:36 | <@caker> | All Linodes will benefit from improvements in the efficiency of UML |
| 00:36 | <bji> | Honestly that is fine with me because I never come close to using all of it |
| 00:36 | <sadjester> | and also |
| 00:36 | <sadjester> | the hardware wont last forever |
| 00:36 | <sadjester> | you have to take that into account |
| 00:36 | <bji> | But if others care more, I can certainly understand that |
| 00:36 | <sadjester> | harddrives die, especially under the load of some of the linodes |
| 00:36 | <sadjester> | and power supplies |
| 00:37 | <sadjester> | those have issues from time to time as well |
| 00:37 | <sadjester> | basically, as of now, linode is really competitive |
| 00:37 | <@inkblot> | sadjester, hard drives in arrays get replaced |
| 00:37 | <bji> | sadjester, yes, all true, but I assume that Linode has to make a certain return off of each piece of hardware that it buys and I would be surprised if a year was all that was expected out of the equipment |
| 00:37 | <sadjester> | the only reason id see a price drop is to remain ahead of quality in comparison to colocating |
| 00:37 | <sadjester> | and other services |
| 00:38 | <@caker> | I'd have to agree, that the biggest incentive of course is to remain competitive and to keep existing customers happy |
| 00:38 | <sadjester> | exactly, if colocating overall becomes cheaper, then you'd have to think about some way to attract people |
| 00:39 | <sadjester> | but colocation takes a huge intial investment |
| 00:39 | <sadjester> | linode doesnt :) |
| 00:39 | <sadjester> | initial rather |
| 00:39 | <@caker> | There is a point where leasing a dedi can't get any cheaper .. I see boxes which, granted, probably cost < $600 bucks, but at $40/month, plus power costs and b/w costs, take forever for a provider to even make the money back on the box |
| 00:39 | <bji> | Just curious, what are the biggest limitations that people are hitting in their current Linode plan? Disk, CPU, RAM, IPs, or bandwidth? |
| 00:40 | <bji> | For me it would be disk, since I run very little that is CPU or memory intensive |
| 00:40 | <bji> | But I am already at 80% full disk-wise |
| 00:40 | <@mikegrb> | 2.6.1-rc1 is out |
| 00:40 | <bji> | And as I am adding family members Gallery sites to my server, and they start putting their digital photos up ... |
| 00:40 | <bji> | I'm a little worried about that ... |
| 00:41 | <sadjester> | i love gallery |
| 00:41 | <sadjester> | i run it on my linode |
| 00:41 | <sadjester> | but yes, it takes mad disk space |
| 00:41 | <@caker> | bji: ask me again in a few weeks, you'll be happy :) |
| 00:41 | <sadjester> | honestly, id say my biggest limitation is disk space |
| 00:42 | <sadjester> | then again, it keeps me from throwing "crap" on my linode |
| 00:47 | <bji> | Yeah I still have an account for my dad's wife, she hasn't read her email in about 2 years and gets tons of spam |
| 00:47 | <bji> | Once I finally boot her off, I will probably reclaim 400 MB right there |
| 00:47 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:47 | <@mikegrb> | 'night everybody |
| 00:47 | Irssi: | #linode: Total of 35 nicks [6 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] |
| 00:50 | <bji> | goodnight |
| 00:50 | <You_Wish> | if i change the root pass in the control panel will that change the pass for the root also |
| 00:51 | <You_Wish> | and vise versa |
| 00:51 | <@inkblot> | You_Wish, the control panel password and root password are not the same thing |
| 00:51 | <You_Wish> | k thak you |
| 00:52 | <You_Wish> | ther are two places for passwords one to log into the site then i think for a image root |
| 00:53 | <@inkblot> | You_Wish, your control panel password is only used to initialize the root password of your linode when you deploy a new image |
| 00:53 | <@inkblot> | i think |
| 00:53 | <@inkblot> | i may be misremembering |
| 00:53 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 00:53 | <@inkblot> | i only deployed once and it was four months ago |
| 00:53 | <You_Wish> | probably has to be rebooted to take effect i think |
| 00:54 | <You_Wish> | i want to start planning what i need get done for next reboot |
| 00:55 | <You_Wish> | caker just put out a kernal is that actually for my os or for some virtual thing |
| 00:56 | <You_Wish> | if i did a update i think it replaces kernals |
| 00:56 | <You_Wish> | would that screw his kernal update |
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| 01:07 | <@inkblot> | oh |
| 01:07 | <@inkblot> | i didn't realize dave was here |
| 01:09 | <You_Wish> | inkblot i got somebody from england offer to send me a windows box |
| 01:09 | <@inkblot> | t/hee |
| 01:09 | <You_Wish> | no charge if you can beleve that |
| 01:09 | <You_Wish> | it is a gate way yuke |
| 01:10 | <@inkblot> | gate way yuke? |
| 01:11 | <You_Wish> | i have never heard anything good about gate way |
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| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | this is the one |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | http://products.gateway.com/products/GConfig/prodDetails.asp?system_id=gtwy995&seg=sb |
| 01:19 | <You_Wish> | sucker is fat pig |
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| 01:37 | * | ElfStone is bored |
| 01:39 | <You_Wish> | signup bored |
| 01:40 | <ElfStone> | sighup hates me |
| 01:40 | <sighup> | ElfStone: sorry... |
| 01:40 | <ElfStone> | sighup bored |
| 01:40 | <sighup> | ElfStone: what? |
| 01:40 | <ElfStone> | ;p; |
| 01:40 | <You_Wish> | you went and pissed it off |
| 01:40 | <ElfStone> | sighup crash |
| 01:40 | <sighup> | i guess crash is 1. n. A sudden, usually drastic failure. Most often said of the system (q.v., sense 1), sometimes of magnetic disk drives. "Three lusers lost their files in last night's disk crash." A disk crash that involves the read/write heads dropping onto the surface of the disks and scraping off the oxide may also be referred to as a `head crash', whereas the term `system crash' usually, though not always, implies that the operating system or ot |
| 01:41 | <ElfStone> | sighup dns gileada.net |
| 01:41 | <sighup> | ElfStone: gileada.net is 217.160.226.66 |
| 01:41 | <ElfStone> | damn the dns prob is fixed |
| 01:41 | <ElfStone> | ;p; |
| 01:41 | <You_Wish> | see what says about gateway |
| 01:41 | <ElfStone> | sighup gateway |
| 01:41 | <sighup> | gateway is probably The computer or device onto which the first hop needs to go to get out of your network. As you know a TCP/IP route uses many hops to get from here to there. |
| 01:42 | <You_Wish> | you use any multi user windows before |
| 01:45 | <You_Wish> | sighup multi user windows |
| 01:45 | <sighup> | You_Wish: excuse me? |
| 01:45 | <You_Wish> | lol |
| 01:45 | <You_Wish> | sighup multiuser windows |
| 01:45 | <sighup> | You_Wish: huh? |
| 01:45 | <You_Wish> | sighup windows shell |
| 01:45 | <sighup> | You_Wish: i'm not following you... |
| 01:46 | <You_Wish> | sighup multiuser |
| 01:46 | <sighup> | You_Wish: excuse me? |
| 01:46 | <You_Wish> | sighup windows |
| 01:46 | <sighup> | i heard windows was "better than Linux" |
| 01:46 | <ElfStone> | WTF |
| 01:46 | <You_Wish> | ya rite |
| 01:46 | * | ElfStone kills sighup |
| 01:46 | <You_Wish> | ./kill signhup 99999 trader |
| 01:47 | <You_Wish> | sighup multi logging |
| 01:47 | <sighup> | You_Wish: huh? |
| 01:47 | <You_Wish> | hmm |
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| 01:47 | <@caker> | whoops |
| 01:47 | <bji2> | hm |
| 01:47 | <bji2> | is something happening? |
| 01:47 | <@caker> | web irc screw up? |
| 01:48 | <bji2> | Well just to finish my story real quick |
| 01:48 | <@caker> | not sure how reliable the web irc thing is |
| 01:48 | <bji2> | Japan is AWESOME |
| 01:48 | <bji2> | When we were in China I met a woman who was Japanese and who helped arrange the Honda tour |
| 01:48 | <You_Wish> | sighup windows bash |
| 01:48 | <sighup> | You_Wish: i'm not following you... |
| 01:48 | <bji2> | We tried to call Honda ourselves but they spoke no English |
| 01:49 | <bji2> | Sorry I'm just continuing a chat with caker |
| 01:49 | <bji2> | I'll try to go to private chat |
| 01:49 | <You_Wish> | sighup TOP |
| 01:49 | <sighup> | You_Wish: huh? |
| 01:50 | <You_Wish> | sighup windows colobrate |
| 01:50 | <sighup> | You_Wish: what? |
| 01:50 | <You_Wish> | sighup wcolobrate |
| 01:50 | <sighup> | You_Wish: huh? |
| 01:51 | <You_Wish> | sighup colobrate |
| 01:51 | <sighup> | You_Wish: huh? |
| 01:51 | <You_Wish> | blah |
| 01:53 | <You_Wish> | sighup windows terminal |
| 01:53 | <sighup> | You_Wish: huh? |
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| 01:54 | <You_Wish> | sighup Linode Rules! |
| 01:54 | <sighup> | You_Wish: excuse me? |
| 01:56 | <You_Wish> | sighup root password |
| 01:56 | <sighup> | You_Wish: huh? |
| 01:57 | <You_Wish> | sighup change root |
| 01:57 | <sighup> | You_Wish: that doesn't look right |
| 01:57 | <You_Wish> | sighup rooted |
| 01:57 | <sighup> | You_Wish: huh? |
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| 02:01 | <@caker> | nite all |
| 02:01 | <You_Wish> | aters |
| 02:03 | <You_Wish> | sighup kernel |
| 02:03 | <sighup> | well, kernel is see also `2.4.23-xbox' |
| 02:03 | <You_Wish> | do what |
| 02:03 | <You_Wish> | sighup 2.4.23-xbox |
| 02:03 | <sighup> | i think 2.4.23-xbox is in (sf.net) CVS tagged as kernel-2_4_23-0_1_0 and also available as a patch at http://mypage.bluewin.ch/matovu/hubb/dl/linux-2.4.23-xbox.patch.gz |
| 02:05 | <You_Wish> | sighup samba |
| 02:05 | <sighup> | You_Wish: what? |
| 02:08 | <You_Wish> | sighup multi terminal windows |
| 02:08 | <sighup> | You_Wish: what? |
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| 02:36 | <SupaDongzu> | You_Wish: try screen |
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| 03:11 | <EFudd> | sighup: linode avail |
| 03:11 | <sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 11] [Linode 96: 0] [Linode 128: 11] [Linode 192: 2] [Linode 256: 0] |
| 03:24 | <sadjester> | is linode having any issues? |
| 03:24 | <sadjester> | with host 11? |
| 03:26 | <EFudd> | hrm |
| 03:27 | <EFudd> | don't think so |
| 03:27 | <sadjester> | mine keeps locking up |
| 03:27 | <sadjester> | caker did a transfer of the disk images from host7 earlier for me |
| 03:27 | <lamEfudd> | <- he.net |
| 03:27 | <sadjester> | it reboots fine tho |
| 03:27 | <lamEfudd> | and host11 |
| 03:27 | <sadjester> | but it even locks me out in lish |
| 03:27 | <sadjester> | i dunno |
| 03:27 | <lamEfudd> | seems to be fine :P |
| 03:27 | <lamEfudd> | 03:28:29 up 33 days, 16:52, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 03:29 | <sadjester> | can you ping 66.220.1.133 ? |
| 03:29 | <sadjester> | or simoniac.com |
| 03:31 | <EFudd> | no and didn't try. |
| 03:31 | <EFudd> | (in that order) |
| 03:31 | <sadjester> | i can get to simoniac |
| 03:31 | <sadjester> | i cant get to my new linode tho |
| 03:31 | <sadjester> | except through lish |
| 03:31 | * | EFudd shrugs |
| 03:31 | <EFudd> | new setup.. sompn might not be configured right in your system and/or iptables/ebtables havne't updated yet (ie, if the system was /just/ setup).. i believe ther eis some delay |
| 03:32 | <sadjester> | nothing was ip dependent except for 1 apache setting |
| 03:32 | * | EFudd shrugs :-) |
| 03:32 | <sadjester> | it just uses dhcp |
| 03:32 | <sadjester> | i can ping it now |
| 03:32 | <sadjester> | let's see if it goes down tho |
| 03:32 | <EFudd> | i'm rarely a very helpful person. |
| 03:32 | <sadjester> | what's he.net |
| 03:33 | <shakr> | sadjester: are you the jabberd guy? just curious |
| 03:34 | <sadjester> | possibly |
| 03:34 | <sadjester> | :P |
| 03:34 | <sadjester> | it depends in what regard to jabberd |
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| 04:23 | <wap> | Morning. |
| 04:26 | <inkblot> | h'yeaux |
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| 04:31 | <limecat> | can i only have *one* reverse dns per linode? |
| 04:32 | <limecat> | in other words, if i have multiple domains i'm hosting on my linode, can i only have them reverse to one of those domains? |
| 04:32 | <shakr> | you can set the rdns entry to anything you want, as long as the forward record resolves to the ip you are setting |
| 04:32 | <limecat> | yeah |
| 04:33 | <limecat> | but i can only have one rdns record, right? |
| 04:33 | <shakr> | well, yeah |
| 04:33 | <limecat> | that's what i thought. |
| 04:33 | <@inkblot> | limecat, one per ip address |
| 04:33 | <@inkblot> | that's just the way the internet works |
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| 04:35 | <limecat> | yeah i just wanted to be sure |
| 05:03 | <EFudd> | sadjester: 5041 packets transmitted, 5041 received, 0% packet loss, time 5418543ms |
| 05:03 | <EFudd> | seems as tho your system is ok now :P |
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| 07:40 | <@mikegrb> | inkblot: ti's darwin in action |
| 07:40 | <@mikegrb> | inkblot: that guy came to #slashdot |
| 07:40 | <@mikegrb> | said someone is telling him hit alt and f4, why? |
| 07:40 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 07:40 | <@inkblot> | i hate troglodytes |
| 07:40 | <@mikegrb> | I told him because that is how you make a channe |
| 07:43 | * | EFudd burps |
| 07:43 | <@mikegrb> | 07:43 <ATTENZION> ok, this is a shit SERVER!! you old in time 3th world (old in technology) |
| 07:43 | <@mikegrb> | 07:43 - ATTENZION [TeStscript@host120-98.pool80181.interbusiness.it] left #slashdot () |
| 07:43 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 07:43 | <@inkblot> | ha ha |
| 07:43 | <@inkblot> | 3th |
| 07:43 | <@inkblot> | that is so italy |
| 07:43 | <@mikegrb> | yup |
| 07:44 | <@mikegrb> | I'm supposed to email someone who called me yesterday some info |
| 07:44 | <@mikegrb> | hope I remember his name right |
| 07:44 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 07:44 | <EFudd> | The best part about my Tuesday morning is deleting the 500+ spams i received overnight! |
| 07:45 | <nicklauss> | 500+? |
| 07:45 | <nicklauss> | how come? |
| 07:45 | <EFudd> | domains I've had for years? :-) |
| 07:45 | <EFudd> | elmer@fudd.net gets a lot of spam too. |
| 07:45 | <@inkblot> | for some reason, |
| 07:45 | <@mikegrb> | I would imagine |
| 07:46 | <@inkblot> | root@meatball.movealong.org and sales@meatball.movealong.org have both started getting spam |
| 07:46 | <@inkblot> | i wonder if it's because.... |
| 07:46 | <EFudd> | that's an odd one. |
| 07:46 | <@inkblot> | RED HAT SOLD THEIR SUBSCRIBER LIST |
| 07:46 | <@mikegrb> | tee-he |
| 07:46 | <EFudd> | ha ha ha. |
| 07:46 | <EFudd> | that is all. |
| 07:46 | <@inkblot> | I know. |
| 07:46 | <nicklauss> | hmmm ... I once had to stop using an email address because of the virus that sends 'Microsoft' messages. |
| 07:46 | <EFudd> | [Querying whois.godaddy.com][Querying whois.godaddy.com] |
| 07:46 | <EFudd> | [Unable to connect to remote host][Unable to connect to remote host] |
| 07:46 | <EFudd> | well that's wonderful. |
| 07:47 | <@inkblot> | meatball hasn't run red hat in over two years |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | # Discard M$ Executables |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | if header :contains ["X-Spam-Status"] "MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE" { |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | # fileinto "INBOX.virus"; |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | discard; |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | stop; |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | } |
| 07:47 | <shakr> | EFudd: it goes down daily around now |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | ^^^ problem solved. |
| 07:47 | <@inkblot> | and that was the last one i converted to debian |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | shakr, oic. |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | "youdontneedtoknow@fudd.net" |
| 07:47 | <EFudd> | why that gets spam, I dunno. :-) |
| 07:47 | <nicklauss> | well that works if you have a (virtual) dedicated server at your disposal i guess. |
| 07:48 | <EFudd> | or even if it doesn't. |
| 07:48 | <EFudd> | ;-) |
| 07:48 | <EFudd> | procmail or any other util ala it == good |
| 07:48 | <EFudd> | "jud@fudd.net", |
| 07:48 | <EFudd> | ^^ was used to send pr0n on usenet years ago, apparently. |
| 07:48 | <EFudd> | "mustaffa.fudd@fudd.net", |
| 07:48 | <EFudd> | ^^ liked filling out forms on online sites |
| 07:48 | <EFudd> | too bad i can't find the original fuckers who did that shit. ;-) |
| 07:49 | <EFudd> | inkblot, in your case, i would have subbed as root-rhn@meatball.. for verification purposes. |
| 07:49 | <EFudd> | I use - notation to uniquely identify any website i have to put an email address in for. |
| 07:49 | <shakr> | i've started doing that too |
| 07:49 | <EFudd> | I also always pre-pend something to my name on real mailings.. like magazines and such. |
| 07:50 | <EFudd> | i tend to complain loudly when i find someone was the source of mass-spam(physical|virtual) |
| 07:50 | <@inkblot> | EFudd, that was the only thing i ever used that email address for |
| 07:50 | <EFudd> | ink, oic. |
| 07:51 | <@inkblot> | and sales@... never existed |
| 07:51 | <@inkblot> | root@... is the only email address @meatball that i ever used for anything, too |
| 07:51 | <@inkblot> | and it was just that one thing |
| 07:56 | * | EFudd sighs |
| 07:56 | <EFudd> | "I did find out the recs were all cancelled and the hiring freeze is now indefinate." |
| 07:56 | <EFudd> | WHY AM I STUCK IN THIS HELL WITHOUT A WAY OUT?! |
| 07:56 | * | EFudd sighs |
| 07:57 | <EFudd> | i've been waiting 3 months on that job. |
| 07:58 | * | EFudd hits a hotkey |
| 07:58 | <EFudd> | fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck |
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| 10:52 | * | caker heads to airport |
| 10:53 | <@tjfontaine> | have fun |
| 10:53 | <@caker> | thanks -- see ya'll in a bit |
| 10:53 | <@tjfontaine> | don't carry any big knives |
| 10:53 | <EFudd> | actually, carry big knives. |
| 10:53 | <EFudd> | That way you can't be accused of trying to conceal. |
| 10:55 | <@tjfontaine> | heh |
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| 12:52 | <You_Wish> | sighup convert fat chicks to hot chicks |
| 12:52 | <sighup> | I don't know how to convert fat chicks to hot chicks. |
| 12:54 | <jax> | good luck with that one |
| 12:54 | <@inkblot> | sighup, \convert fat chicks to hot chicks is <reply>Beer! |
| 12:54 | <sighup> | OK, inkblot. |
| 12:55 | <@inkblot> | sighup, convert fat chicks to hot chicks |
| 12:55 | <sighup> | I don't know how to convert fat chicks to hot chicks. |
| 12:55 | <@inkblot> | :< |
| 12:55 | * | inkblot stabs |
| 13:02 | <You_Wish> | sighup hot chicks |
| 13:02 | <sighup> | You_Wish: i'm not following you... |
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| 14:41 | <@adamg> | sighup linode forums |
| 14:41 | <sighup> | adamg: Linode.com Announcements: Kernel 2.4.24-linode19-1um (Currently Latest 2.4); Sendmail and Email Related Forum: Sendma |
