| --- | Log | opened Mon Jan 05 00:00:14 2004 |
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| 01:38 | <limecat> | heh this guy i've known on irc was helping me with apache |
| 01:39 | <limecat> | he suddenly says "You have a linode?" and i'm all afraid that maybe i've picked some super-ghetto hosting. |
| 01:39 | <limecat> | then he says "I have one too, for three days." :) |
| 01:40 | <@tjfontaine> | not super ghetto, uber 1337 as some would say |
| 01:40 | <jrm> | limecat: you should still switch it to Debian : ) |
| 01:40 | <@tjfontaine> | whats he using? |
| 01:42 | <limecat> | heh |
| 01:42 | <limecat> | i'll consider debian |
| 01:42 | <limecat> | tjfontaine: a 64, like me. |
| 01:42 | <@tjfontaine> | I mean, distro, what are you using? |
| 01:43 | <limecat> | gentoo |
| 01:44 | <@tjfontaine> | hmm gentoo has its place, but I must say not for places where space is an issue :-) |
| 01:44 | <limecat> | heh |
| 01:44 | <limecat> | well i like it because it reminds me of freebsd's ports systems |
| 01:44 | <limecat> | i don't know much about debian |
| 01:46 | <@tjfontaine> | apt-get install instead of emerge :-) and apt-cache search instead of emerge search |
| 01:47 | <limecat> | will it resolve dependencies as well? |
| 01:47 | <@tjfontaine> | ahem |
| 01:47 | <@tjfontaine> | *much* better than emerge does... and w/ very little possibility of coming back and seeing a broken compile in front of you |
| 01:49 | <@tjfontaine> | of course there are tradeoff's if you use debian unstable (to get the newest packages) you may come back to find your system broken as well... but then thats why its called unstable |
| 01:50 | <limecat> | yeah |
| 01:50 | <limecat> | hmmm i may have to do that. |
| 01:50 | <@tjfontaine> | don't get me wrong I'm currently running gentoo on this box :-) but my linode has mandrake installed |
| 01:50 | <jrm> | limecat: you would at the least get better support in the other channel |
| 01:51 | <@tjfontaine> | binary systems for linodes I say, put -Os in your optimizations won't help you *that* much |
| 01:51 | <limecat> | well as i like to say, with gentoo it means ls -la runs 0.0393473% faster than with debian! |
| 01:52 | <@tjfontaine> | heh |
| 01:56 | <limecat> | to do reverse dns, you HAVE to go thru the control panel, right? |
| 01:56 | <jrm> | yes |
| 01:56 | <@tjfontaine> | unless you want to buy your own subnet :-) |
| 01:57 | <limecat> | heh its okay |
| 02:00 | <limecat> | so |
| 02:00 | <limecat> | tomorrow if i irc from my linode shell, will my hostmask be foo@mydomain.com? |
| 02:01 | <jrm> | yea |
| 02:02 | <limecat> | cool |
| 02:02 | <limecat> | hey if a friend of mine is hosting all his mp3s on my linode, and i let another friend have shell access...will that friend accidently delete the mp3s instead of a symlink? :) |
| 02:03 | <jrm> | i would |
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| 09:54 | <dvl_> | Error: .login: close: No space left on device any suggestions why i would get this |
| 09:54 | <dvl_> | and i am not out of space! |
| 09:54 | <dvl_> | ? |
| 09:54 | <dvl_> | its ok my bad! |
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| 09:57 | <guest1> | Hi |
| 09:58 | <guest1> | Hi |
| 09:58 | <guest1> | Anyone alive ? |
| 09:58 | <@adamg> | yeah |
| 09:58 | <guest1> | Are you the sales team or support team ? |
| 09:58 | <@adamg> | neither, just a customer |
| 09:59 | <@adamg> | but I may be able to help you |
| 10:00 | <guest1> | i see |
| 10:00 | <guest1> | what's ur domain url ? |
| 10:00 | <@adamg> | why |
| 10:00 | <guest1> | I am looking for a vds |
| 10:01 | <@adamg> | I dont have any live sites on my linode at the momment |
| 10:01 | <guest1> | while some options like jvds, linode, dinix, or servint |
| 10:01 | <guest1> | dinix seems slow to me |
| 10:01 | <@adamg> | if you want a sample site take a look at www.thegrebs.com |
| 10:04 | <guest1> | jvds is fast |
| 10:06 | <guest1> | do linode do backups for customers ? |
| 10:07 | <@adamg> | no, that is your responsibility |
| 10:07 | <@adamg> | the harddrives are on raid 1 though |
| 10:07 | <guest1> | ya so that is reliable ? |
| 10:08 | <@adamg> | well it means you will not lose your data through a hard drive failure |
| 10:08 | <guest1> | cause i do not wish to upload or restore very tiring if I have 2 Gb of data on the website |
| 10:08 | <guest1> | besides that what is the possiblilities that i will lose my data ? |
| 10:09 | <@adamg> | not a lot |
| 10:10 | <@adamg> | only through you deleting it, or if you get hacked etc |
| 10:10 | <@inkblot> | guest1, do you lose your data often? |
| 10:10 | <@inkblot> | i don't lose mine often |
| 10:11 | <@adamg> | yeah but when you get really annoyed there is always the posibility you might to rm -rf / |
| 10:11 | <guest1> | yes a lot |
| 10:11 | <@inkblot> | how? |
| 10:11 | <guest1> | A LOT OF TIMES ! |
| 10:11 | <guest1> | 1st time- host HDD failure |
| 10:11 | <guest1> | no raid |
| 10:11 | <guest1> | 2nd time- Corrupted |
| 10:12 | <guest1> | 3rd time- DDos attack |
| 10:12 | <guest1> | 4th time- HDD failure again |
| 10:12 | <@adamg> | how can you lose data via a DDos attack |
| 10:12 | <guest1> | Duno what is this host doing |
| 10:12 | <@inkblot> | indeed |
| 10:12 | <@inkblot> | tell me more about #4 |
| 10:13 | <@inkblot> | same as #1? |
| 10:13 | <@adamg> | well HDD failure can always happen but is unlikely and since they are on RAID 1 not a major problem |
| 10:13 | <@inkblot> | no raid? |
| 10:13 | <@adamg> | Corrupted well that can always happen, like with any file system |
| 10:13 | <guest1> | They stated Raid but the real world is ??? face unknown |
| 10:13 | <@adamg> | DDos attack should not lead to loss of data |
| 10:13 | <@adamg> | usually leads to far to much data in the form of log files |
| 10:14 | <guest1> | I mean corrpted in a shared environment. |
| 10:15 | <guest1> | what the hcak other accounts makes my site suffer too |
| 10:15 | <guest1> | so in vds does it lower the possibilities of corrupted ? |
| 10:15 | <@caker> | Morning... |
| 10:15 | <@adamg> | hi caker |
| 10:16 | <@tjfontaine> | is this what they call this time of the day? |
| 10:18 | <@caker> | guest1: Did you get the answers you needed from these friendly folks? :) |
| 10:18 | <guest1> | HI caker |
| 10:18 | <guest1> | Are you the big boss around ? |
| 10:18 | <@caker> | Yup |
| 10:19 | <guest1> | Nice to meet you |
| 10:19 | <@caker> | Hello guest1 |
| 10:19 | <guest1> | I am deciding on which VDS host to choose from. |
| 10:19 | <guest1> | The previous host is terrible |
| 10:20 | <@caker> | Oh ... previous was a VDS hosting provider? |
| 10:20 | <guest1> | The exact problem, scroll to the top |
| 10:20 | <@caker> | ..scrolling... |
| 10:20 | <guest1> | no |
| 10:21 | <guest1> | I am looking into usonyx.com, linode.com, jvds.com, servint.com, dinix.com, splashhost.com |
| 10:21 | <@caker> | I'd write off Servint and dinix, since they're not UML based |
| 10:22 | <@caker> | don't know about splashhost and usonyx |
| 10:22 | <@adamg> | and vds |
| 10:22 | <@adamg> | jvds even |
| 10:22 | <@adamg> | they seemed slow when I just looked at there site |
| 10:23 | <Griswald> | and usonyx dosen't seem to have good plans, at all |
| 10:23 | <@caker> | between jvds and linode, we've got a more complete control panel, more distros, better hardware, a good community, etc .. But I like Rus and we get along, and I think what he offers is good as well |
| 10:23 | <@adamg> | is it jvds that reselles for bytemark or was that someone else |
| 10:23 | <@caker> | adamg: he used to, but now he's gone out on his own |
| 10:24 | <@adamg> | i also noticed that they said that they provide swap space for linodes |
| 10:24 | <@adamg> | and their gentoo install is only 400 meg |
| 10:25 | <@adamg> | jvds also seems to be spread around alot |
| 10:25 | <guest1> | What is UML ? |
| 10:25 | <guest1> | VDS uses swsoft virtozzo rite ? |
| 10:25 | <@caker> | adamg: Our gentoo would be 400 megs without the portage directory, too |
| 10:26 | <@caker> | guest1: not all use virtuozzo |
| 10:26 | <@adamg> | oh does he have shared portage then |
| 10:26 | <@adamg> | everyheard of diginode |
| 10:26 | <@caker> | guest1: I use UML -- user-mode-linux.sf.net |
| 10:27 | <Griswald> | too bad uml can only run linux in a linux environment |
| 10:27 | <Griswald> | be nice to run one in a windows env :D |
| 10:27 | <@adamg> | hah |
| 10:27 | <Griswald> | then I could give my other pc back to my parents :) |
| 10:27 | <guest1> | I see |
| 10:27 | <guest1> | Virtozzu better than UML or fair ? |
| 10:28 | <guest1> | usonyx has their servers at verio |
| 10:28 | <@caker> | guest1: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=351 |
| 10:32 | <guest1> | the website that usonyx.com was stating that the ram is fix and the cpu is fix |
| 10:33 | <guest1> | what do you mean in the forum cannot limit the cpu and ram for other technologies for virtozzu |
| 10:34 | <@caker> | guest1: I don't see what you're asking |
| 10:35 | <guest1> | ok |
| 10:35 | <guest1> | Basically you stated that UML is able to restrict cpu time and ram |
| 10:36 | <guest1> | but other technoologies is unable to do so |
| 10:36 | <@caker> | I don't think I said that... |
| 10:36 | <guest1> | forum |
| 10:36 | <@caker> | .. in the forum message |
| 10:37 | <guest1> | so what is the major diff ? |
| 10:38 | <@caker> | If you want something that looks and acts like a real dedicated machine, UML is what you're after |
| 10:38 | <guest1> | ok i was told by a provider that if the physical server memory and cpu is not used up (not busy), your vds will automatic fully ulitilise the physical server resources |
| 10:38 | <@caker> | others are shared kernel approaches which can depend on customized user space tools to function |
| 10:38 | <@caker> | for CPU yes, RAM is limited |
| 10:39 | <guest1> | in peak hours, it will be restricted to per accounts basics |
| 10:39 | <@caker> | yeah but worst case you'll be getting 8MB ram ram |
| 10:39 | <@caker> | er, real ram |
| 10:39 | <@caker> | with virtuozzo |
| 10:39 | <guest1> | how come ? |
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| 10:40 | <@caker> | because they place more VDS accounts on the machine than they have real RAM |
| 10:40 | <guest1> | I see |
| 10:40 | <@adamg> | which they have to do to cover the cost of virtuozzo |
| 10:40 | <guest1> | Means that 4000MB Ram, They squeeze more virtual Ram than Physical ? |
| 10:41 | <guest1> | 4000MB physical ram |
| 10:41 | <@caker> | Yes, rest goes to swap |
| 10:42 | <guest1> | This site is on Virtuzzo |
| 10:42 | <guest1> | myhardware.net |
| 10:43 | <guest1> | sounds confusig |
| 10:44 | <@caker> | guest1: Do you need a VDS? Sounds like you just want hosting... |
| 10:44 | <guest1> | I need some rock solid hosting |
| 10:45 | <guest1> | and also need to install binaries |
| 10:45 | <guest1> | like imagemick |
| 10:45 | <@caker> | Are you up for config'ing and admin'ing your own box? |
| 10:45 | <@caker> | ok |
| 10:45 | <guest1> | or netpbm |
| 10:45 | <guest1> | not very sure |
| 10:45 | <guest1> | Still a Noob |
| 10:45 | <@inkblot> | you seem to misunderstand the concept of a virtual server |
| 10:45 | <guest1> | ? |
| 10:45 | <@inkblot> | you install whatever linux distribution you please |
| 10:45 | <@inkblot> | and whatever packages you need |
| 10:45 | <guest1> | RH 9 |
| 10:46 | <@inkblot> | sure, whatever |
| 10:46 | <guest1> | I need to install binairs and php_mode_off |
| 10:46 | <guest1> | which many host don't allow |
| 10:46 | <guest1> | can i do that in vds ? |
| 10:46 | <@adamg> | yes |
| 10:46 | <@adamg> | you can do whatever you want in your VDS |
| 10:47 | <@adamg> | as long as it is within the AUP and T&C |
| 10:47 | <@caker> | VDS is a real linux box, root access, install what ever .. and it's up to you to setup the services you need (apache, mail, etc) |
| 10:47 | <@caker> | bbiaf |
| 10:47 | <Griswald> | basically, you can do anything except malicious stuff with a vds |
| 10:48 | <Griswald> | thats the quickest, and best summary of both AUP and T&C that I can think of :) |
| 10:48 | <@adamg> | basically but you are well advised to read the AUP and T&C |
| 10:48 | * | inkblot recommends the seven-day trial offer |
| 10:49 | <guest1> | is the pricing good in linode good ? I have juz started doing my research only ? |
| 10:49 | <Griswald> | indeed |
| 10:49 | <@inkblot> | what do you consider "good"? |
| 10:49 | <@adamg> | it is very competative |
| 10:49 | <Griswald> | inkblot: best bang for your buck, so to speak, I would say. |
| 10:49 | <@inkblot> | Griswald, i'm not asking you |
| 10:49 | <Griswald> | I know that :) |
| 10:49 | <@inkblot> | then don't answerr |
| 10:49 | <Griswald> | pfft ;P |
| 10:50 | <guest1> | You all means dinix is not really good ? |
| 10:50 | <@inkblot> | guest1, what pricing do you consider "good"? |
| 10:50 | <guest1> | I am considing them at first as they hsa strong SLA and good flagship for their customer service |
| 10:50 | <guest1> | but then |
| 10:51 | <guest1> | it seems low to me here |
| 10:51 | <@inkblot> | what seems low? |
| 10:51 | <You_Wish> | guest1 I just starting lionde and their services are awsome |
| 10:51 | <guest1> | emlimate those problems i face from my previous host ? |
| 10:51 | <guest1> | high uptime |
| 10:51 | <You_Wish> | mine 99 percent |
| 10:52 | <@inkblot> | linode's SLA is 99.9% uptime |
| 10:52 | <@inkblot> | customer service == caker |
| 10:52 | <@inkblot> | who is awesome |
| 10:52 | <@inkblot> | prices start at $20/mo |
| 10:52 | <You_Wish> | the support and horse power you get at your finger tips is unbeable i think |
| 10:52 | <@inkblot> | is that all you wanted to know? |
| 10:53 | <@adamg> | i didnt think caker has an offical sla |
| 10:53 | <@inkblot> | adamg, you didn't read the fine print, then |
| 10:53 | <@caker> | bak |
| 10:54 | <@adamg> | oh yeah seen it now, has that always been there |
| 10:55 | <@caker> | adamg: yes |
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| 10:55 | <@adamg> | shows how much I remeber from the T&C although it does seem to ring a bell now |
| 11:05 | <@caker> | inkblot: how big of an image will lnx-uml be |
| 11:05 | <@inkblot> | hmmmm |
| 11:06 | <@inkblot> | under 200MB |
| 11:06 | <@inkblot> | that's for sure |
| 11:06 | <@caker> | also, it uses devfs, so what mapping format will the ubd devices look like? |
| 11:06 | <@inkblot> | the first one i made was around 160 |
| 11:06 | <@caker> | ok |
| 11:06 | <@inkblot> | caker, i'm still working that out |
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| 11:07 | <@inkblot> | i can add stuff to devfsd.conf so that /dev/ubd* work, if it's not already there |
| 11:07 | <@inkblot> | and i'm not sure what to do about mount.local |
| 11:07 | <@inkblot> | it seems to be misbehaving |
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| 11:08 | <@adamg> | hi netrose |
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| 11:10 | <@inkblot> | Oh. |
| 11:10 | <@caker> | :-p~~~~~ |
| 11:16 | <@adamg> | feck. i keep forgetting what day of the week it is |
| 11:17 | <@inkblot> | mondak |
| 11:18 | <@inkblot> | i want more vacation |
| 11:24 | <@caker> | 2.4.24 is out now |
| 11:25 | <@adamg> | is it worth upgrading to |
| 11:25 | <@caker> | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/ChangeLog-2.4.24 |
| 11:25 | <@caker> | very small update, since 2.4 is in maint mode |
| 11:25 | <@adamg> | yeah I was expecting a bug changelog |
| 11:26 | <@caker> | Andrea Arcangeli: malicious users of mremap() syscall can gain priviledges |
| 11:26 | <@adamg> | if it on the recommended kernel |
| 11:26 | <@caker> | not sure what that entails |
| 11:26 | <@adamg> | s/if/is |
| 11:27 | <@caker> | I haven't generated a Linode kernel for it yet ... |
| 11:27 | <@adamg> | oh ok |
| 11:27 | <@caker> | Once I get bck to Nashville, I'll get 2.6-um working |
| 11:28 | <@adamg> | is that going to take much effort to get it sorted |
| 11:28 | <@caker> | 2.6? Probably not -- some of the weird problems I had with 2.6 I think I solved with my RTC patch :) |
| 11:28 | <@adamg> | thats good |
| 11:36 | <@adamg> | fecking net connection |
| 11:43 | * | adamg finds the screen -x command |
| 11:45 | <@tjfontaine> | good teaching command |
| 11:45 | <@mikegrb> | boo |
| 11:45 | <@adamg> | yeah |
| 11:46 | <@mikegrb> | tj import bot as module named bot in cvs |
| 11:46 | <@tjfontaine> | will do |
| 11:46 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
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| 11:46 | <@mikegrb> | I need to install php other then just mod_php as well I spose |
| 11:46 | <@mikegrb> | you know where files are? and url for viewcvs? |
| 11:46 | <@tjfontaine> | viewcvs yes |
| 11:47 | <@mikegrb> | files in /home/httpd/iqdb/htdocs |
| 11:47 | <@mikegrb> | and iqdb.dev/htdocs |
| 11:47 | <@tjfontaine> | cool |
| 11:47 | <@mikegrb> | I spose I |
| 11:47 | <@mikegrb> | er |
| 11:48 | <@mikegrb> | I'll add an iqdb user for the bot to run as |
| 11:48 | <@mikegrb> | make it's default group iqdb and give group perms to homedir |
| 11:48 | <@mikegrb> | so you can work on the bot and what not there if you wish without su'ing |
| 11:49 | <@adamg> | mikegrb: you will have to add #iqdb into your irc logs |
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| 11:50 | <@mikegrb> | sure thing |
| 11:50 | <@mikegrb> | though if you follow the example of the other logs you can do it ;) |
| 11:50 | <@adamg> | so I see |
| 11:53 | <@mikegrb> | a feature, not a security hole ;) |
| 11:53 | <@adamg> | and the fact that usernames and passwords are listed in there |
| 11:54 | <@mikegrb> | umm |
| 11:54 | <@mikegrb> | oh heh |
| 11:54 | <@mikegrb> | in iqdb |
| 11:54 | <@mikegrb> | yeah |
| 11:54 | <@adamg> | yes |
| 11:55 | <@mikegrb> | but mysql isn't even bound to localhost |
| 11:55 | <@mikegrb> | that is why I haven't added the channel to localhost yet |
| 11:55 | <@mikegrb> | going to 'cleanse |
| 11:55 | <@mikegrb> | er |
| 11:55 | <@mikegrb> | + ' the logs first |
| 11:57 | <@adamg> | afk |
| 11:57 | * | jax is away: lunch |
| 11:59 | <@mikegrb> | sinned: seen cker |
| 11:59 | <@mikegrb> | caker: still here? |
| 12:01 | <@mikegrb> | 12:00 [oftc] Server Up 27 days, 12:24:06 |
| 12:01 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: uptime |
| 12:01 | <sighup> | 12:01:15 up 23 days, 18:20, 4 users, load average: 0.11, 0.11, 0.09 |
| 12:01 | <@mikegrb> | just a slight disparity there |
| 12:01 | <@mikegrb> | the first one is more accuarate |
| 12:03 | <@caker> | mikegrb: yo |
| 12:04 | <@mikegrb> | see uptime? |
| 12:04 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 12:04 | <@caker> | uname -a ? |
| 12:04 | <@mikegrb> | though I'm looking forward to it being fixed after reboot ;) |
| 12:04 | <@mikegrb> | just thought I'd show you how off it can be |
| 12:04 | <@caker> | wait another few days and I'll have 2.4.24 and a newer UML patch |
| 12:05 | <@mikegrb> | nice |
| 12:05 | <@caker> | yeah thats ... pretty off :) |
| 12:05 | <@mikegrb> | heh wait long enough and I can reboot to 2.4.29 |
| 12:07 | <@caker> | mm lots of snow in Chicago :) |
| 12:44 | <@mikegrb> | caker: http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0013-mremap.txt |
| 12:45 | <@inkblot> | <-- is |
| 12:45 | <@inkblot> | * * * * |
| 12:45 | <@inkblot> | chicago |
| 12:45 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 12:45 | <@inkblot> | snow! |
| 12:46 | <@mikegrb> | yes we know ;) |
| 12:46 | <@mikegrb> | not that we care }:) |
| 12:46 | <@inkblot> | >:E |
| 12:53 | <@mikegrb> | inkblot: we should get caker to apply the updike kernel patch |
| 13:00 | <@inkblot> | ha ha |
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| 14:27 | <SupaDongzu> | you so should |
| 15:12 | <@caker> | Front cover article this month of Linux Magazine is User Mode Linux |
| 15:12 | <@tjfontaine> | yay |
| 15:13 | <@tjfontaine> | link to linode.com ? :-) |
| 15:13 | <@caker> | The article focuses on UMLBuilder |
| 15:13 | <@caker> | I wish :) .. but links to the user-mode-linux.sf.net site, which links to me :) |
| 15:13 | <@mikegrb> | caker: updike kernel patch please |
| 15:14 | <@caker> | why? |
| 15:15 | <@caker> | what does it do? |
| 15:15 | <@mikegrb> | one sec I will url you |
| 15:15 | <@guinea-sleep> | haha |
| 15:15 | <@caker> | its just a bar that gets longer with uptime, right? |
| 15:15 | <@guinea-sleep> | yeah "just a bar" |
| 15:15 | <@inkblot> | heh |
| 15:15 | <@guinea-sleep> | it's ART baby |
| 15:15 | <@caker> | alias updike='/usr/bin/uptime | perl -ne "/(\d+) d/;print 8,q(=)x\$1,\"D\n\""' |
| 15:15 | <@inkblot> | [inkblot@goose:~][inkblot@goose:~]$ updike |
| 15:15 | <@inkblot> | 8=================================D |
| 15:16 | <@guinea-sleep> | ] cat /proc/updike |
| 15:16 | <@guinea-sleep> | 8========D |
| 15:16 | <@inkblot> | except the updike patch puts it in /proc/updike |
| 15:16 | <@inkblot> | yeah |
| 15:16 | <@inkblot> | like that |
| 15:16 | <@guinea-sleep> | like that |
| 15:16 | <@guinea-sleep> | my laptop's got an updike now, too |
| 15:16 | <@caker> | "Linode.com, now with Updike patch!" |
| 15:16 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 15:16 | <@caker> | pfffft! |
| 15:16 | <@inkblot> | apparently the patch is... |
| 15:16 | <@inkblot> | 7 days old |
| 15:16 | <@mikegrb> | very big draw |
| 15:16 | <@inkblot> | eight |
| 15:16 | <@caker> | haha |
| 15:16 | <@guinea-sleep> | 7 days? |
| 15:16 | <@inkblot> | guinea-sleep, your uptime |
| 15:17 | <@guinea-sleep> | oh |
| 15:17 | <@guinea-sleep> | yeah on this box |
| 15:17 | <@guinea-sleep> | i was in gentoo a week ago |
| 15:17 | <@inkblot> | huk huk |
| 15:17 | <@mikegrb> | 00:48 @guinea-pig> http://zork.net/~sneakums/updike.patch :D |
| 15:17 | <@guinea-sleep> | i'm mirroring it on my linode :D |
| 15:17 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 15:17 | <@caker> | I remeber thinking "no" last time you asked me :) |
| 15:17 | <@guinea-sleep> | http://parsed.net/patches/updike.patch |
| 15:17 | <@mikegrb> | I never asked before :) |
| 15:17 | <@caker> | someone suggested it |
| 15:17 | * | caker goes back to real work |
| 15:17 | <@guinea-sleep> | i can guess who |
| 15:17 | <@inkblot> | also, http://teh.entar.net/~sneakums/updike.patch |
| 15:18 | <@guinea-sleep> | haha |
| 15:18 | <@guinea-sleep> | man |
| 15:18 | <@guinea-sleep> | what an entar |
| 15:18 | <@inkblot> | zork.net a.k.a. teh.entar.net (Teh Entarnet) |
| 15:18 | <@guinea-sleep> | oy |
| 15:18 | <@guinea-sleep> | how the hell did i miss that |
| 15:18 | <@inkblot> | try it |
| 15:18 | <@inkblot> | orion@teh.entar.net |
| 15:19 | <@inkblot> | it is... |
| 15:19 | <@inkblot> | SUPADONGZU!!!!!! |
| 15:19 | <@inkblot> | ha ha |
| 15:19 | <@guinea-sleep> | what |
| 15:19 | <@guinea-sleep> | no dongs inkblot? |
| 15:19 | <@inkblot> | oh |
| 15:19 | <@inkblot> | i forgot to do that |
| 15:20 | <@guinea-sleep> | i even ported it to epic/axur! |
| 15:20 | <@guinea-sleep> | yeah yeah. shut up |
| 15:20 | <@inkblot> | you WHAT!? |
| 15:20 | <@guinea-sleep> | i dongs. duh |
| 15:20 | guinea-sleep | is now known as guinea-pig |
| 15:20 | <@inkblot> | guinea-dongs, that's you |
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| 16:07 | <caker> | http://vivisimo.com/ is a pretty good idea |
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| 16:09 | <jrm> | Currently under heavy load. Please try again shortly |
| 16:09 | <jrm> | heh |
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| 16:11 | <ElfStone> | hello |
| 16:12 | <jax> | hi |
| 16:13 | <ElfStone> | how are you? |
| 16:14 | <sinned> | that search engine is lame jrm |
| 16:14 | <sinned> | what good is it if it can't handle being slashdotted |
| 16:15 | <@inkblot> | WFM |
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| 16:22 | <Ashen> | caker: can you restart my linode? the UML FS lock bug has me in it's dastardly jaws again. |
| 16:22 | <caker> | argh |
| 16:22 | <caker> | which host? |
| 16:22 | <Ashen> | host11 |
| 16:22 | <Ashen> | id ashen |
| 16:22 | <caker> | ok, anything you're doing that would help me figure why it does this? |
| 16:23 | <Ashen> | I got a few screenfulls of these strange alloc pages errors |
| 16:23 | <NeXTer> | And... Why is host12 getting ahead of the times again? I thought you fixed that ntp issue? |
| 16:23 | <caker> | killed |
| 16:23 | <caker> | looks like it gets stuck in tracing mode |
| 16:23 | <Ashen> | tracing mode? |
| 16:23 | <caker> | ptrace |
| 16:24 | <Ashen> | huge ammount of orphaned inodes |
| 16:24 | <Ashen> | I'll try and get hold of that alloc error if that helps you |
| 16:24 | <@guinea-pig> | orphaned linodes! adopt one today :D |
| 16:24 | <caker> | Ashen: those page alloc messages are what happens in 2.4.23 now that the OOM killer is gone (you out of memory, perhaps?) |
| 16:25 | <Ashen> | Jan 2 09:08:53 li3-194 kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 16:25 | <Ashen> | Jan 2 09:08:53 li3-194 kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 16:27 | <Ashen> | that I can kinda understand, it's got too many packets/sockets etc open? |
| 16:27 | <Ashen> | this however baffles me: |
| 16:27 | <Ashen> | Dec 28 23:02:59 li3-194 kernel: 64.62.190.194 sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 0 error to a broadcast: 0.0.0.0 on eth0 |
| 16:27 | <Ashen> | Dec 28 23:02:59 li3-194 kernel: NET: 14 messages suppressed. |
| 16:28 | <Ashen> | hrm |
| 16:28 | <ElfStone> | ashen |
| 16:28 | <ElfStone> | LOL |
| 16:28 | <ElfStone> | wasup |
| 16:28 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 16:29 | <Ashen> | lol Loki |
| 16:29 | <@inkblot> | roffle |
| 16:29 | <ElfStone> | yes |
| 16:29 | <ElfStone> | wasup? |
| 16:29 | <ElfStone> | wuffles whatca doing woandering outta your cave |
| 16:29 | <ElfStone> | ={ |
| 16:29 | <ElfStone> | =P |
| 16:30 | <Ashen> | we wuffles are nomadic :) |
| 16:30 | <ElfStone> | ah |
| 16:30 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 16:30 | <ElfStone> | how have you been |
| 16:31 | <Ashen> | good |
| 16:31 | <Ashen> | trying to debug my linode atm |
| 16:31 | <ElfStone> | hehe |
| 16:31 | <ElfStone> | i am building my website |
| 16:32 | <ElfStone> | new design |
| 16:32 | <Ashen> | got a linode loki? |
| 16:32 | <Ashen> | caker: any suggestions for places to look to document this strange phenomenon? |
| 16:32 | <caker> | Ashen: which, the invalid ICMP ? |
| 16:33 | <ElfStone> | hrm try /var/log/syslog |
| 16:33 | <ElfStone> | there is alwayz stuff there |
| 16:33 | <caker> | Ashen: running samba? |
| 16:34 | <ElfStone> | why would you run samba on a remote server? |
| 16:35 | <Ashen> | caker: no I don't think so |
| 16:36 | <Ashen> | caker: I've never run samba. |
| 16:37 | * | caker deploys 2.4.24-linode19-1um |
| 16:38 | <Ashen> | does that contain some bugfix for this problem? |
| 16:38 | <caker> | Linux li-20 2.4.24-linode19-1um #3 Mon Jan 5 16:29:30 EST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 16:39 | <caker> | Ashen: probably not .. I'm going to look into adding back the OOM killer |
| 16:39 | <Ashen> | ok, then how do you suggest I go about fixing this? |
| 16:40 | <caker> | fixing which? |
| 16:40 | <ElfStone> | caker: does the newkernal affect anything |
| 16:40 | <ElfStone> | i mean like users files |
| 16:40 | <ElfStone> | etc |
| 16:40 | <caker> | ElfStone: contains a local root exploit fix |
| 16:40 | <Ashen> | caker: this bug that keeps bringing down my linode and stopping my rebooting it! |
| 16:41 | <caker> | Ashen: I think either adding back the OOM killer to the current kernel might help... |
| 16:41 | <ElfStone> | caker: which took down debain righ? |
| 16:41 | <caker> | Ashen: but for now, I suggest running an older kernel |
| 16:41 | <caker> | ElfStone: no a new one |
| 16:41 | <ElfStone> | wtf |
| 16:41 | <ElfStone> | O.o |
| 16:41 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 16:41 | <ElfStone> | well |
| 16:41 | <ElfStone> | that is local |
| 16:42 | <ElfStone> | and prob if you ssh |
| 16:42 | <ElfStone> | i dun |
| 16:42 | <ElfStone> | so i am good |
| 16:42 | <caker> | Ashen: do you collect memory statistics, --- is your swap/ram full when you get those page_alloc messages? |
| 16:42 | <Ashen> | I have kern.* logged to /var/log/kernel and such |
| 16:43 | <Ashen> | but I don't specifically collect memory statistics no |
| 16:43 | <caker> | hmm |
| 16:43 | <@guinea-pig> | mrtg-data :D |
| 16:43 | <caker> | I'm wondering if oom is what causes that .. anything on google, etc? (this should be non-uml specific) |
| 16:44 | <Ashen> | usually I have a very healthy ammount of memory free. |
| 16:44 | <Ashen> | around 10-20MB or so |
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| 16:46 | <Ashen> | caker; can I start a migration to 128 from 96 now? I'm thinking if it is an oom bug, that might help. |
| 16:46 | <@guinea-pig> | if |
| 16:46 | <Griswald> | and if that dosen't cure anything....? |
| 16:46 | <@guinea-pig> | my point |
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| 16:47 | <Ashen> | I was meaning to upgrade to 128 anyway. |
| 16:47 | <Ashen> | Even if it doesn't solve this problem... it's better to do it now so I have all my downtime in one batch |
| 16:47 | <caker> | Ashen: Yes, I have a bunch of 128s available at HE .. give me a few minutes to finish the kernel forum post |
| 16:48 | <caker> | Ashen: waiting a few minutes ok? |
| 16:48 | <Ashen> | as that annoys people less then killing their processes again for another period of downtime just after doing it the first time for a different reason. |
| 16:48 | <Ashen> | caker: sure :) |
| 16:54 | <caker> | Ashen: I setup the migration, and cancelled your extra ram and HD space (since its included in this plan) |
| 16:55 | <caker> | Ashen: might need to logout/in of the LPM to see it |
| 16:55 | <caker> | sighup: linode forums |
| 16:55 | <sighup> | caker: Linode.com Announcements: Kernel 2.4.24-linode19-1um (Currently Latest 2.4); Sendmail and Email Related Forum: Sendmail/postfix inoperability; Sales Questions and Answers: Traffic between Linodes; Linode.com Announcements: Free Upgrade to Linode 96, help test Host4; Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials: Red Hat & Linode QuickStart |
| 16:56 | <Ashen> | caker: thanks |
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| 16:57 | <risto> | $2.4.24-linode19-1um++; |
| 16:58 | <caker> | :) |
| 16:58 | <Ashen> | moo :) |
| 16:59 | <Griswald> | bark :) |
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| 18:04 | <caker> | Linode rules? |
| 18:04 | <You_Wish> | ya |
| 18:04 | <You_Wish> | Linode Rules |
| 18:04 | <jax> | *nod* |
| 18:04 | <jax> | linode++ |
| 18:04 | <caker> | You_Wish: did you see there's a new kernel out? |
| 18:04 | <You_Wish> | ya |
| 18:05 | <caker> | You_Wish: considering you were r00ted, might want to reboot |
| 18:05 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 18:05 | <You_Wish> | i need get the word out to my guys for the reboot |
| 18:05 | <You_Wish> | ? about nameservers |
| 18:05 | <You_Wish> | i was looking around more stuff |
| 18:06 | <You_Wish> | in dns client i c name servers there |
| 18:06 | <You_Wish> | can i point my domain to those name servers |
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| 18:07 | <caker> | only if that dns server is setup to serve the zone for your domain |
| 18:07 | <You_Wish> | that went over my head |
| 18:08 | <You_Wish> | does it go down at the planet alot |
| 18:08 | <You_Wish> | can i paste what is there |
| 18:08 | <caker> | Does what go down? |
| 18:08 | <caker> | Sure, why not |
| 18:08 | <You_Wish> | dns |
| 18:08 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 18:08 | <You_Wish> | dns servers 12.96.160.115 |
| 18:09 | <You_Wish> | 216.156.129.66 |
| 18:09 | <You_Wish> | 216.234.234.30 |
| 18:09 | <@mikegrb> | caker: hehehe |
| 18:09 | <caker> | Those dns servers just answer queries from your Linode |
| 18:09 | <caker> | They don't and won't serve the zone for your domain |
| 18:09 | ~ | mikegrb set +o caker on #linode |
| 18:10 | <You_Wish> | so they are useless to me then |
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| 18:10 | <You_Wish> | for domain pointing |
| 18:10 | <@caker> | Yes. |
| 18:10 | <@mikegrb> | they let your linode resolve domains on the outside |
| 18:10 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 18:10 | <@mikegrb> | but for pointing your own domains they are useless |
| 18:10 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 18:11 | <@mikegrb> | though if you gave caker $5k/month I'm sure he could work something out ;) |
| 18:11 | <You_Wish> | Man i have more fun with lionde box |
| 18:11 | <@caker> | :) |
| 18:11 | <@caker> | yeah, warez is cool |
| 18:11 | <You_Wish> | i lose more sleep playing lol |
| 18:12 | <@caker> | anyone here setup a game server? |
| 18:12 | <You_Wish> | i am not into warez myself |
| 18:12 | <@guinea-pig> | let's play finish the sentence |
| 18:12 | <You_Wish> | i did before |
| 18:12 | <@guinea-pig> | slap me around like __________ |
| 18:12 | <@caker> | I have a bunch of customers who do |
| 18:12 | <You_Wish> | but not on linode |
| 18:12 | <@tjfontaine> | I have a tegserver running on my linode |
| 18:12 | <@caker> | :) |
| 18:12 | <@caker> | sighup: teg? |
| 18:12 | <sighup> | teg is UBER sweet! |
| 18:12 | <@tjfontaine> | indeed |
| 18:12 | <@tjfontaine> | teg.sf.net |
| 18:12 | * | caker frowns |
| 18:12 | <@tjfontaine> | risk clone game |
| 18:13 | <@tjfontaine> | (World Domination)++ |
| 18:13 | <@caker> | Risk!!! |
| 18:13 | <@caker> | That is great! |
| 18:13 | <You_Wish> | caker I found some one local that i can put a box up for my boss |
| 18:13 | <@tjfontaine> | sighup: teg is also a clone of Risk! the game about World Domination see http://teg.sourceforge.net |
| 18:13 | <sighup> | okay, tjfontaine. |
| 18:13 | <@tjfontaine> | sighup: teg? |
| 18:13 | <sighup> | i heard teg was UBER sweet! or a clone of Risk! the game about World Domination see http://teg.sourceforge.net |
| 18:13 | <@caker> | funny |
| 18:13 | <@caker> | You_Wish: the gigabit guy? |
| 18:13 | <You_Wish> | any words of wisdom for what kind of box for windows |
| 18:14 | <@tjfontaine> | no box? |
| 18:14 | <You_Wish> | ya i think he will use that also |
| 18:14 | <You_Wish> | the are windows pukes |
| 18:14 | <You_Wish> | any words of wisdom on name of boxes your recommend for something like that |
| 18:15 | <@mikegrb> | caker: #orion == great place to pickup someone for a game of teg |
| 18:15 | <@caker> | ahh |
| 18:15 | <@caker> | is it browser based? |
| 18:15 | <@tjfontaine> | sadly no |
| 18:15 | <@caker> | ok |
| 18:15 | <@mikegrb> | but many people there play |
| 18:15 | <@mikegrb> | even heidi |
| 18:15 | <@tjfontaine> | there is a gtk2/C version |
| 18:16 | <@tjfontaine> | and Dave in #orion has hacked an old version of the java client to work |
| 18:16 | <@mikegrb> | heidi, me, tj, dave, kvandivo, and electricelf in there all play |
| 18:16 | <@tjfontaine> | scottb |
| 18:16 | <@mikegrb> | ih yes him too |
| 18:16 | <@mikegrb> | but he isonly on during the day |
| 18:16 | <@mikegrb> | and plays from work |
| 18:25 | * | adamg goes to look at teg |
| 18:25 | <shakr> | caker: would you mind checking to see what happened to my linode on host7? went to reboot, but its not coming back up either by lish or the panel |
| 18:26 | <You_Wish> | i been looking around for a command to kick people out of the shell after a time period any know where i would look for that |
| 18:27 | <@adamg> | write one |
| 18:27 | <@tjfontaine> | doesn't ssh have an idle timeout? |
| 18:27 | <You_Wish> | not that i could find |
| 18:27 | <@adamg> | yes |
| 18:27 | <@adamg> | or most shells come with an auto timeout feature |
| 18:28 | <@adamg> | although that one can usually be overridden by the user |
| 18:28 | <ElfStone> | can;t you just use screen |
| 18:28 | <ElfStone> | then it would not matter |
| 18:29 | <@inkblot> | caker, is there a skas patch for 2.6 kernels? |
| 18:29 | <@adamg> | ElfStone he is looking to kick people, screen would not help their |
| 18:29 | <ElfStone> | Oh |
| 18:29 | <ElfStone> | LOL |
| 18:30 | <@adamg> | now if he wanted to maintaine a persistant shell then screen would be of use |
| 18:30 | <@guinea-pig> | inkblot: last i'd heard, it was totally borked |
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| 18:32 | <You_Wish> | is there another name the would call it other than idle time |
| 18:33 | <You_Wish> | i would think it would be in ssh docs |
| 18:33 | <You_Wish> | goggle sent me to burger king |
| 18:34 | <shakr> | anyone ever had a problem where lish / lpm return ok statuses for a system boot, but nothing actually happens? |
| 18:34 | <@adamg> | yeah lish will always return ok even if it fails |
| 18:35 | <@adamg> | by the sounds of it, uml has not released a lock on one of your files and thus can not boot |
| 18:35 | <@adamg> | best bet is to log a support ticket |
| 18:35 | <ElfStone> | adamg: you have a linode correct? |
| 18:36 | <@adamg> | yes |
| 18:36 | <ElfStone> | what plan? |
| 18:36 | <@adamg> | 64 |
| 18:36 | <ElfStone> | ah |
| 18:36 | <ElfStone> | you use all your bandwdith |
| 18:36 | <@adamg> | no |
| 18:36 | <ElfStone> | or how much to you have the defalut? |
| 18:36 | <@adamg> | ? |
| 18:37 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 18:37 | <ElfStone> | did you buy mopre badnwdith |
| 18:37 | <@adamg> | no |
| 18:37 | <ElfStone> | *more bandwidth |
| 18:37 | <ElfStone> | how many ips you have 1? |
| 18:37 | <@adamg> | at the momment the most I have used is about 5 gig and that was due to a BT download |
| 18:37 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 18:38 | <ElfStone> | you have how many ips? |
| 18:38 | <@adamg> | since I have it doing nothing apart from ssh and a couple of web sites that I use for testing at the momment it should not use that much bandwidth |
| 18:38 | <@adamg> | 2 ips |
| 18:38 | <ElfStone> | ah |
| 18:38 | <ElfStone> | okay |
| 18:38 | <ElfStone> | just genarl quiestions |
| 18:38 | <ElfStone> | =P |
| 18:39 | <You_Wish> | got it TMOUT=3600 thanks |
| 18:40 | <ElfStone> | hehe |
| 18:40 | <ElfStone> | 3600 seconds? |
| 18:40 | <@adamg> | sighup 3600/60/60 |
| 18:40 | <sighup> | 1 |
| 18:40 | <You_Wish> | TMOUT=3600 # logout after one hour idle time |
