| --- | Log | opened Sun Jan 04 00:00:08 2004 |
| --- | Day | changed Sun Jan 04 2004 |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | inkblot: ping |
| 00:00 | <@caker> | oh yeah :) |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | caker: ! |
| 00:00 | <@caker> | Jan 4th :-p |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | question :) |
| 00:00 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: is yoru site validated |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | ElfStone: most of it |
| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | caker: re unix perms |
| 00:01 | <@mikegrb> | caker: I have some stuff that I want members of the group to have full control over |
| 00:01 | * | caker is now officially an old man |
| 00:01 | <@mikegrb> | caker: group has read/rewrite |
| 00:01 | <ElfStone> | caker: your birthday? |
| 00:01 | <@mikegrb> | caker: but can't mv... what permissions are needed |
| 00:01 | <@caker> | mikegrb: yup |
| 00:01 | <@mikegrb> | happy bday caker |
| 00:01 | <@caker> | er ElfStone: yup |
| 00:01 | <@caker> | tnx |
| 00:01 | <ElfStone> | happy birthday |
| 00:01 | <ElfStone> | howold? |
| 00:01 | <@caker> | 30 :) |
| 00:01 | <ElfStone> | hehe |
| 00:02 | <@mikegrb> | caker: you'll have my preasent at the end of the month ;) |
| 00:02 | <ElfStone> | my dad is 42 |
| 00:02 | * | caker does a dance but hurts himself in the process |
| 00:02 | <@caker> | mikegrb: woohooo! |
| 00:02 | <ElfStone> | your not old |
| 00:02 | <@caker> | nah |
| 00:02 | <@caker> | mikegrb: but can't move .... well .. |
| 00:03 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:03 | <ElfStone> | this is pissing me off |
| 00:03 | <ElfStone> | how the fuck can i imporve the code |
| 00:03 | <@caker> | mikegrb: if you give them rx access to the directory, they can'd change the directory contents |
| 00:03 | <ElfStone> | without knowing the correct |
| 00:03 | <@caker> | mikegrb: other than r/w/x the files within |
| 00:03 | <@caker> | mikegrb: ... get it? |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | well they have rwx on the dir |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | can you take w away? |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | oh shit |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | I found the problem |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | I moved this stuff into cvs |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | and when I rm'ed the dir and re checked out I changed permissions on everything but the dir |
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| 00:05 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: you know a good html site? |
| 00:05 | <@caker> | well, glad I could help :) |
| 00:05 | <@mikegrb> | caker: heh thanks |
| 00:05 | <@mikegrb> | ElfStone: ummm w3.org or whatever their url is |
| 00:05 | <ElfStone> | i am |
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| 00:06 | <ElfStone> | they are helpful |
| 00:06 | <ElfStone> | ar not |
| 00:06 | <ElfStone> | are not |
| 00:06 | <ElfStone> | * |
| 00:06 | <@caker> | ElfStone: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=html+tags |
| 00:07 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:08 | <ElfStone> | tansk |
| 00:08 | <ElfStone> | thanks |
| 00:09 | <@mikegrb> | http://iqdb.net/6 |
| 00:10 | <ElfStone> | damn marqee |
| 00:10 | <@caker> | mikegrb: nice work so far .. care for a browser bug report? |
| 00:11 | <@mikegrb> | of course |
| 00:11 | <@caker> | macosx, IE 5.3.2, rollovers work, but if I rollover black area, "Latest" is hilited regardless |
| 00:11 | <@mikegrb> | oh |
| 00:11 | <@caker> | works correctly in Safari |
| 00:12 | <@mikegrb> | so you roll over the black bar and latest lights up? |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | what is safari? |
| 00:12 | <@caker> | apple.com/safari |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | oh |
| 00:12 | <ElfStone> | i dun use apple |
| 00:12 | <@inkblot> | mikegrb, ? |
| 00:12 | <@tjfontaine> | the original konq build for macosx |
| 00:12 | <@caker> | mikegrb: update: the rollover mapping seems to be offset when I'm on the black area |
| 00:12 | <@inkblot> | you pung? |
| 00:12 | <@mikegrb> | inkblot: got it set |
| 00:13 | <@caker> | mikegrb: starting from far left, I can make each tab hilite |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | thanks though |
| 00:13 | <@inkblot> | ok |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | caker: ahh I got you |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | caker: so it is acting as if the links were left justified there |
| 00:13 | <@caker> | mikegrb: yes |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | caker: that is css based so I'm not sure how much I can do about it but I will certainly look into it |
| 00:13 | <@mikegrb> | thanks for letting me know |
| 00:14 | <@caker> | np |
| 00:14 | <@caker> | such few % prob not worth worrying |
| 00:15 | <@mikegrb> | heh ie on the mac heh |
| 00:15 | <@mikegrb> | I probably won't spend to much time on it |
| 00:15 | <@mikegrb> | but will at least give it a look |
| 00:15 | <@caker> | reading Linux Journal today .. % desktop share of Linux in 2002: 2.8%, mac: 2.9% |
| 00:15 | <ElfStone> | wtf |
| 00:16 | <ElfStone> | why does everyone hate marquee |
| 00:16 | <@mikegrb> | umm |
| 00:16 | <@mikegrb> | because it sucks :)( |
| 00:16 | <@mikegrb> | er :) |
| 00:16 | <@mikegrb> | as bad as flash ads |
| 00:16 | <ElfStone> | grr |
| 00:16 | <ElfStone> | lolz |
| 00:17 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: take a look at http://elvencloak.homelinux.net |
| 00:18 | <@mikegrb> | not enough contrast between text and background |
| 00:18 | <ElfStone> | O.o |
| 00:18 | <@caker> | sighup: nslookup iqdb.net |
| 00:18 | <sighup> | caker: iqdb.net is 64.62.190.57 |
| 00:18 | <@mikegrb> | I'm not much of a fan of white text on webpages either |
| 00:18 | <@caker> | Generated in 0.000 Seconds with 1 Query(s) |
| 00:18 | <@mikegrb> | caker: checking hosting location ;) |
| 00:18 | <@mikegrb> | is indeed linode |
| 00:18 | <@caker> | thats what I like to see |
| 00:18 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:18 | <@mikegrb> | my site does pretty good to |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | thegrebs.com has a time counter at the bottom |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | I've been very impresseed |
| 00:19 | <ElfStone> | that is from OSWD |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | the site is all sql based |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | just because it is from oswd doesn't mean it is great ;) |
| 00:19 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:19 | <ElfStone> | well mine is |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | they have some pretty crappy designs there :) |
| 00:19 | <ElfStone> | and so is iqdb |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | iqdb.net is based on one |
| 00:19 | <ElfStone> | i mant |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | I like harans stuff |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | that i what i meant |
| 00:20 | <ElfStone> | what is iqdb? |
| 00:21 | <@mikegrb> | like bash.org |
| 00:21 | <@mikegrb> | but much better :D |
| 00:21 | <ElfStone> | ah |
| 00:21 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:21 | <ElfStone> | shit |
| 00:21 | <ElfStone> | i remove marquee |
| 00:21 | <ElfStone> | now i have tabkle errors |
| 00:21 | <ElfStone> | table |
| 00:22 | <@mikegrb> | leave the cell |
| 00:22 | <ElfStone> | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Felvencloak.homelinux.net&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=%28detect+automatically%29 |
| 00:22 | <@mikegrb> | just replace the <marquee></marquee> with |
| 00:23 | <ElfStone> | Line 324, column 82: document type does not allow element "TABLE" here |
| 00:23 | <ElfStone> | ...er="0" bgcolor="#000000" width="100%"> |
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| 00:29 | <ElfStone> | oh well |
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| 00:43 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: you use tables? |
| 00:43 | ~ | ChanServ set +o tjfontaine on #linode |
| 00:43 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 00:43 | <@mikegrb> | well |
| 00:43 | <@mikegrb> | no |
| 00:43 | <@mikegrb> | actually |
| 00:43 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:44 | <@mikegrb> | I prefer <div> and css |
| 00:44 | <@mikegrb> | tables just for tabular data |
| 00:44 | <ElfStone> | hrm |
| 00:44 | <ElfStone> | i use css |
| 00:44 | <ElfStone> | and tables |
| 00:44 | <@mikegrb> | iqdb.net has not tables anywhere |
| 00:44 | <@mikegrb> | s/not/no/ |
| 00:44 | <ElfStone> | but wheni try to vaildate |
| 00:44 | <ElfStone> | it says ther eincorrect |
| 00:45 | <ElfStone> | there incorretc |
| 00:45 | <ElfStone> | incorrect |
| 00:45 | <@mikegrb> | well check the dtd at w3 to see the lagal spots table tags can be |
| 00:46 | <ElfStone> | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Felvencloak.homelinux.net&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=%28detect+automatically%29 |
| 00:46 | <@mikegrb> | no not the validator |
| 00:46 | <@mikegrb> | look at the dtd |
| 00:46 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 00:46 | <ElfStone> | what is the dtd? |
| 00:46 | <@mikegrb> | that says what tags are legal where |
| 00:47 | <ElfStone> | well |
| 00:47 | <ElfStone> | i do not know hwo to edit the tags |
| 00:47 | <ElfStone> | to fix them |
| 00:47 | <ElfStone> | without fucking up the whole site |
| 00:47 | <@mikegrb> | http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/ |
| 00:50 | <vitrum> | hmmm... |
| 00:50 | <ElfStone> | hrm |
| 00:50 | <vitrum> | does anybody know a reliable place to buy imported gsm phones? i'm trying to find a P900... but don't wanna drop the cash to just any guy online... :( |
| 00:51 | <vitrum> | america has sucky phones :) |
| 00:52 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: i look and see i can |
| 00:55 | <ElfStone> | omfg |
| 00:55 | <ElfStone> | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Felvencloak.homelinux.net&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=%28detect+automatically%29 |
| 01:04 | <@mikegrb> | caker: $stat_time_end = getmicrotime(); |
| 01:04 | <@mikegrb> | $stat_time = $stat_time_end - $time_start; |
| 01:05 | <@mikegrb> | seeeee |
| 01:05 | <@mikegrb> | it actually calculates it |
| 01:05 | <@mikegrb> | rather then just printing 0 ;) |
| 01:05 | <@mikegrb> | linode++ really is that good |
| 01:07 | <ElfStone> | xfiles O.o |
| 01:07 | <ElfStone> | i hear xfiles |
| 01:16 | <ElfStone> | mikegrb: |
| 01:17 | <ElfStone> | css and html vaildated |
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| 01:54 | <ElfStone> | caker |
| 01:55 | <ElfStone> | http://elvencloak.homelinux.net/?pg=links |
| 01:55 | <ElfStone> | what do you think of the desc |
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| 02:33 | <ElfStone_> | O.o |
| 02:33 | <ElfStone_> | this is weriodd |
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| 02:46 | <ElfStone> | caker? |
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| 03:15 | <fjor> | hello |
| 03:16 | <fjor> | I have a question regarding dns, hope someone can help. |
| 03:17 | <sinned> | what's the question |
| 03:19 | <fjor> | when I register a domain to be a nameserver, do I have to point the domain to any dns as well? |
| 03:20 | <sinned> | yeah you have to have 2 different nameserver ips |
| 03:21 | <sinned> | for any registrar i know of |
| 03:21 | <vitrum> | some allow only one... |
| 03:23 | <shakr> | are you asking if you have to create A records for 'namserver domain hosts'? if so, the answer is yes |
| 03:23 | <fjor> | what about the dns settings? do I have to point the domain to any dns? Correct me if I'm wrong but dns settings and registering a domain to be a nameserver are two different things isn't? |
| 03:24 | <shakr> | your terminology may be confusing things, are you referring to 'domain hosts' that you create for nameservers? |
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| 03:27 | <fjor> | shakr: I'm confused too. :p I'm registering my domain as a nameserver in Registerfly and I have two settings : one is to edit my dns settings and the other is register a nameserver for the domain, like ns1, ns2.... |
| 03:28 | <shakr> | registering a namserver creates glue records in the root top level nameservers, the reason you would do that is if your name servers are ns1.yourdomain.com etc |
| 03:29 | <EFudd> | jjjjjjjjjjj |
| 03:29 | <@mikegrb> | <Goonie> earthquakes are a good thing tho |
| 03:29 | <@mikegrb> | <Goonie> it selectively removes old buildings and historical buildings so that new ones that are better can be built |
| 03:29 | <@mikegrb> | <Goonie> natural selection for buildings |
| 03:29 | <@mikegrb> | <Goonie> and then other buildings get demoted to historical and the cycle repeats |
| 03:29 | <@mikegrb> | heheh |
| 03:29 | <vitrum> | thats a whole lotta j's |
| 03:29 | <vitrum> | haha |
| 03:29 | <fjor> | shakr: yes, I'm learning how to start a dns server to manage domains by myself. |
| 03:29 | <shakr> | fjor: are you looking to use nameservers you have set up, one from a 3rd party dns service, or dns provided by your registrar? |
| 03:31 | <shakr> | fjor: alright, so on your registrar's site, register your nameservers. then set up dns for you domain |
| 03:32 | <fjor> | shakr: so if my domain is zzz.com, I should set up a nameserver called ns1.zzz.com, right? |
| 03:32 | <@mikegrb> | vitrum: do you have an UPDOG? |
| 03:33 | <shakr> | sure, that works. and once you have ns1.zzz.com configured you can use that as a nameserver for other domains you may have registered and want to serve data for |
| 03:33 | <vitrum> | according to the urban dictionary no :) |
| 03:34 | <@mikegrb> | damnit |
| 03:34 | <@mikegrb> | you were supposed to so what's updog |
| 03:34 | <@mikegrb> | then I say: |
| 03:34 | <vitrum> | lol, why do you ask |
| 03:34 | <@mikegrb> | not much, how about you |
| 03:34 | <@mikegrb> | s/so/say/ |
| 03:34 | <vitrum> | haha |
| 03:34 | <vitrum> | it said it's a wart on your butt |
| 03:34 | <@mikegrb> | heheh |
| 03:35 | * | EFudd ponders |
| 03:35 | <fjor> | shakr: but what about the dns settings for the domain zzz.com? do I have to set it? I tried to leave the settings blank but wasn't allowed. |
| 03:35 | <EFudd> | i think i'll go back to sleep |
| 03:35 | <EFudd> | fjor, BUY DNS AND BIND BY OREILLY AND ASSOCIATES |
| 03:36 | <shakr> | fjor: ill brb |
| 03:36 | <EFudd> | uh yeah, i'll brb too |
| 03:36 | * | EFudd & |
| 03:37 | <fjor> | EFudd: well, I'll go to the library later to look for the book |
| 03:37 | <vitrum> | fjor, are you setting up in registerfly to use your own name servers or theirs? |
| 03:37 | <fjor> | shakr: sorry what's "brb"? |
| 03:37 | <vitrum> | you want to use your own |
| 03:37 | <shakr> | 'be right back' but i'm back now |
| 03:37 | <fjor> | vitrum: use my own nameserver |
| 03:38 | <fjor> | shakr: oh i see :) |
| 03:38 | <@mikegrb> | http://iqdb.net/8 <- pwahaha |
| 03:38 | <shakr> | fjor: if you are using your own nameservers, you shouldnt be doing dns for zzz.com on registerfly |
| 03:38 | <EFudd> | What I find funnier is my view of that url without even clicking on it. |
| 03:38 | <EFudd> | "Oh, that must be the global IQ database registry. I see the average is now up to 8." |
| 03:39 | <shakr> | fjor: the only thing you need to do there is create ns1.zzz.com and ns2.zzz.com, pointed at the appropriate ips |
| 03:39 | <@mikegrb> | EFudd: heh |
| 03:39 | <EFudd> | Oh Great. Another Domain that does what bash does |
| 03:39 | <@mikegrb> | EFudd: :< |
| 03:39 | <EFudd> | oh er.. that's yours |
| 03:39 | <EFudd> | :) |
| 03:39 | <@mikegrb> | MINE IS BETTER |
| 03:39 | <shakr> | iqdb is creative |
| 03:39 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 03:39 | <EFudd> | lemme use more enthusiasm |
| 03:40 | <EFudd> | ! OH GREAT! ANOTHER DOMAIN I NEED TO CLICK ON AND READ IF .. er |
| 03:40 | <EFudd> | well that wasn't getting better |
| 03:40 | <EFudd> | :) |
| 03:40 | <@mikegrb> | but mine has links to bash on the main page :) |
| 03:40 | <@mikegrb> | so you can just bookmark mine ;) |
| 03:40 | <EFudd> | Oh, well then. :) |
| 03:40 | <fjor> | shakr: that's what I did, but it's been 5 days since I did that and I still couldn't ping ns1.zzz.com. so I thought I must have done something wrong. |
| 03:40 | <vitrum> | mike's has spiffy colors |
| 03:40 | <EFudd> | Bad Request |
| 03:40 | <EFudd> | Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. |
| 03:40 | <@mikegrb> | EFudd: ? |
| 03:40 | <EFudd> | it's no fun hacking your webserver if you don't produce valid errors! |
| 03:41 | <@mikegrb> | EFudd: oh heh |
| 03:41 | <@mikegrb> | vitrum: thanks |
| 03:41 | <EFudd> | Well it's obvious arbitrary requests are passedt hrough to a processor |
| 03:41 | <shakr> | fjor: nope, you are fine. pmsg me the name of your domain and i can verify that those settings 'took' |
| 03:41 | <EFudd> | whether that requestor is only accepting numerical data, i've yet to discern. |
| 03:41 | <EFudd> | did you try octopus? |
| 03:41 | <@mikegrb> | not yet |
| 03:42 | <EFudd> | i can't browse? :) |
| 03:42 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 03:42 | <@mikegrb> | not yet |
| 03:42 | * | EFudd snickers |
| 03:42 | <@mikegrb> | latest has them all though :) |
| 03:42 | <EFudd> | so i see |
| 03:42 | <@mikegrb> | I figure I got a few days at the minimum until there are 50 quotes |
| 03:42 | <@mikegrb> | next will probably be voting |
| 03:42 | <@mikegrb> | then browse |
| 03:43 | <@mikegrb> | well the next feature /I/ do will probably be voting |
| 03:43 | <EFudd> | And allow me the ability to randomly delete things. |
| 03:43 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 03:43 | <EFudd> | like anytime i browse something, it deletes behind me. |
| 03:43 | <EFudd> | for sekurity purposes. |
| 03:43 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 03:43 | <@mikegrb> | I think I |
| 03:43 | <@mikegrb> | er |
| 03:43 | <EFudd> | in case anyone is wondering, I am this sarcastic in real life. |
| 03:43 | <@mikegrb> | I'm going to let users set their own threshold |
| 03:43 | <EFudd> | I'm sure no one was wondering.. |
| 03:43 | <EFudd> | But just in case. |
| 03:44 | <EFudd> | I also tend to say "I hate people" in front of people. |
| 03:44 | <fjor> | pmsg shakr 'ns1.surfinghome.com' |
| 03:44 | <sinned> | haha |
| 03:44 | <shakr> | ah thats fine too :P |
| 03:44 | <fjor> | well..... :p |
| 03:45 | <@mikegrb> | <skammah> ok, so my system is running as a slave server. how do I force it to realize that it is the master? |
| 03:45 | <@mikegrb> | <kvandivo> bow down before it? |
| 03:46 | <@mikegrb> | heh I like that one |
| 03:46 | <EFudd> | actually it's generally more along the lines of: Said to Becky when entering a place that has large quantities of people (ie, any number greater than myself and becky) that might condone mass-stupidity. Like outdoors, or a bar (well, generally not a bar, i'm drinking), or a grocery store. Once I get around people who suck, simply because they aren't paying attention and refuse to move out of the flow of traffic, or various other idiot-type-moves, I say "Di |
| 03:46 | <vitrum> | just make sure you say the word "people" when your actually thinking "you" ;) |
| 03:47 | <@mikegrb> | or various other idiot-type-moves, I say "Di |
| 03:47 | <@mikegrb> | please continue |
| 03:47 | <@mikegrb> | it was interesting |
| 03:47 | <EFudd> | odd |
| 03:47 | <EFudd> | i saw it all |
| 03:47 | <shakr> | fjor: so your domain is surfinghome.com? looks like your namservers are dns[1-4].name-services.com |
| 03:47 | <@mikegrb> | I was hanging on to every last word |
| 03:47 | <EFudd> | idiot-type-moves, I say "Did I ever tell you I hate people? |
| 03:47 | <EFudd> | Especially stupid ones?" |
| 03:47 | <@mikegrb> | EFudd: your client does the equiv of local echo |
| 03:48 | <fjor> | shakr: those are the initial settings I got from registerfly. |
| 03:48 | <EFudd> | Well, Er, I guess. Generally the client->server are smart enough.. at least ircii was. irssi might have an issue with this server type. That or I'm smoking crack. I'm pretty sure I'm not int he posession of any crack, but if I were smoking it, this would all make much sense. |
| 03:49 | <EFudd> | There is babbling, both useful and not. What you see above are 2 prime examples of useless babble. |
| 03:49 | <EFudd> | Please carrry on and I will go get a sandwich. |
| 03:50 | <shakr> | fjor: those are the nameservers being returned by the root servers. looks like your settings didnt take yet |
| 03:51 | <shakr> | fjor: dig @a.gtld-servers.net surfinghome.com |
| 03:51 | <EFudd> | So... has anyone here read Wolfram's "A new kind of science." ? |
| 03:51 | <fjor> | shakr: does my domain need to point to those nameservers when I want to create nameservers for my domain? |
| 03:52 | <shakr> | fjor: when you are using your own nameservers, those dns*.name-servers.com entries should not show up at all |
| 03:53 | <fjor> | shakr: I tried to delete those dns *.name-servers.com entries but I wasn't allowed to do that. |
| 03:54 | <shakr> | fjor: your domain might be set to registrar-lock |
| 03:54 | <shakr> | fjor: unlock it :-) then make the changes |
| 03:55 | <shakr> | http://reports.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois?whois_nic=surfinghome.com&type=domain |
| 03:55 | <shakr> | Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK |
| 03:56 | <fjor> | shakr: ok, I'll see where I can unlock it on the page.... |
| 03:59 | <EFudd> | omg. ripping this cd |
| 03:59 | <EFudd> | never heard such an aweful sound in my life before |
| 03:59 | <EFudd> | cd is badly balanced :) |
| 03:59 | <EFudd> | like uh, i think it just got stuck in my powerbook :) |
| 05:11 | <wap> | Morning |
| 05:11 | <vitrum> | damn it's 2am |
| 05:21 | <@inkblot> | if by 2am you mean 4am, then yes |
| 05:21 | <vitrum> | :) |
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| 06:35 | <@adamg> | morning all |
| 06:35 | <@adamg> | ' |
| 07:14 | <@adamg> | sighup ping caker |
| 07:14 | <sighup> | caker: ping! ping! ping! |
| 07:14 | <sighup> | caker was last seen on #linode 6 hours, 55 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: thats what I like to see [1073193528] |
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| 07:26 | <@adamg> | bbiab |
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| 08:41 | <@adamg> | fecking spam |
| 08:52 | guinea-pig | is now known as guinea-sleep |
| 08:53 | <@adamg> | sighup dns 64.35.99.205 |
| 08:53 | <sighup> | adamg: 64.35.99.205 is webuser.linode.com |
| 08:56 | <@adamg> | sighup linode avail |
| 08:56 | <sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 17] [Linode 96: 0] [Linode 128: 13] [Linode 192: 2] [Linode 256: 0] |
| 09:15 | <@caker> | morning |
| 09:15 | <@adamg> | morning |
| 09:16 | <@adamg> | or rather afternoon |
| 09:16 | <@adamg> | caker: when you get a chance can you add some more IPs to host12 |
| 09:16 | <@adamg> | if you have nay |
| 09:16 | <@adamg> | s/nay/any |
| 09:27 | <@adamg> | flights are cheap at the momment |
| 09:42 | <@caker> | adamg: all set |
| 09:42 | <@caker> | they're in a different subnet -- curious if you have to add another default route |
| 09:43 | <@adamg> | yeah good be intresting |
| 09:44 | <@adamg> | gotta move everything over to none dhcp to try though |
| 09:46 | <@adamg> | it appears I am not using dhcp anyway, at the momment all I specify is the IP, subnet mask and gateway |
| 09:46 | <@adamg> | all I should have to do is add the new IP as an aliase to eth0 the subnet mask is the same and so it the gateway |
| 09:47 | <@caker> | the gw might be different (same format, .1) |
| 09:48 | <@adamg> | cant see why it would make a difference really |
| 09:48 | <@caker> | at ThePlanet, I dont think it matters which gateway you use regardless of IP -- at HE, I think you need the specific gateway for the IP(s) you have |
| 09:48 | <@caker> | -- based on a user's experience from the other day |
| 09:48 | * | adamg wonders how he can set more than one gateway |
| 09:49 | <@caker> | route add default gw ga.te.way.1 |
| 09:49 | <@caker> | :) |
| 09:49 | <@adamg> | in the config files |
| 09:49 | <@caker> | not sure how the gentoo init scripts do it |
| 09:49 | <@adamg> | it has examples in the config file for multiple ip, broadcast ans subnet but not gateways |
| 09:52 | <@adamg> | The gateway variable shouldn't be reproduced as you can only set one gateway per computer. |
| 09:53 | <@caker> | you can have multiple gateways |
| 09:53 | <@caker> | routing table :) |
| 09:53 | <hacktic> | try zebra ;) |
| 09:54 | <@adamg> | the route table shows this is has .0 in and not .1 |
| 09:54 | <@adamg> | 64.62.190.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 09:54 | <@caker> | thats the network route |
| 09:55 | <@caker> | is there not an entry for gw? |
| 09:55 | <@adamg> | no |
| 09:55 | <@caker> | look at the netmask for that routing entry |
| 09:55 | <@adamg> | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 09:55 | <@adamg> | 64.62.190.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 09:55 | <@adamg> | loopback adhaero.hat-tec 255.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 lo |
| 09:55 | <@adamg> | default uplink-he.linod 0.0.0.0 UG 1 0 0 eth0 |
| 09:55 | <@caker> | there it is |
| 09:55 | <@caker> | do route -n |
| 09:55 | <@adamg> | thats better |
| 09:56 | <@adamg> | was looking for the IP not rdns name |
| 09:56 | <@caker> | did you try in gentoo "net-setup eth0:1" ? |
| 09:56 | <@adamg> | net-setup command not found |
| 09:57 | <@caker> | emerge it mabye? |
| 09:57 | <@adamg> | in the config file you put in the alias command like |
| 09:57 | <@adamg> | iface_eth1="207.170.82.202 broadcast 207.0.255.255 netmask 255.255.0.0" |
| 09:57 | <@adamg> | wrong one |
| 09:57 | <@adamg> | alias_eth0="192.168.0.3 192.168.0.4" |
| 09:57 | <@adamg> | thats the one |
| 09:57 | <@caker> | was just thinking if its another config file that gets scripted, you could specify another gateway |
| 09:58 | <@caker> | that's how it works in redhat |
| 09:58 | <@caker> | ifcfg-eth0:1, etc.. |
| 09:58 | <@adamg> | it also has this |
| 09:58 | <@adamg> | #broadcast_eth0="192.168.0.255 192.168.0.255" |
| 09:58 | <@adamg> | #netmask_eth0="255.255.255.0 255.255.255.0" |
| 09:58 | <hacktic> | why would he need 2 gateways ... ? |
| 09:59 | <@adamg> | so I maybe able to add gateway_eth"..." |
| 09:59 | <@caker> | hacktic: more than one subnet |
| 09:59 | <hacktic> | ans? |
| 09:59 | <hacktic> | and? |
| 09:59 | <hacktic> | they still can use the same gateway |
| 09:59 | <@adamg> | apparently not at HE |
| 09:59 | <@caker> | but we'll find that out soon enough :) |
| 10:00 | <@adamg> | we will |
| 10:00 | <@adamg> | I take it I still have to reboot etc |
| 10:00 | <@caker> | yup |
| 10:02 | <@adamg> | caker is it really work billing a CC for $0.91 |
| 10:02 | <@caker> | Heh .. I get about 20 cents of that the first time around, so n |
| 10:02 | <@caker> | no |
| 10:03 | <@adamg> | my prorata and billing system waits till there is $10 to bill before it does it |
| 10:03 | <@adamg> | caker found a bug in lkm |
| 10:03 | <@caker> | good job .. I thought about that but moved ahead with it anyway |
| 10:03 | <@caker> | hmm? |
| 10:04 | <@adamg> | eth0: 64.62.190.140 |
| 10:04 | <@adamg> | eth0: 66.220.1.130 |
| 10:04 | <@adamg> | Gateway: 64.62.190.1 |
| 10:04 | <@adamg> | Netmask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 10:04 | <@adamg> | shouldnt it tell me I need another gateway as well |
| 10:04 | <@caker> | well, if we find out you do, I'lll add it |
| 10:04 | <@adamg> | ok rebooting |
| 10:04 | <@adamg> | this may take a while |
| 10:07 | <@adamg> | 3 mins 30 to shut down |
| 10:10 | <@caker> | pinging |
| 10:10 | <@adamg> | alias added restarting network, may take a while as it has to stop all sorts of things like apache etc |
| 10:10 | <@caker> | The scenario last time was he had 64.62.190 IP addresses, but was using the 66.220.1.1 route |
| 10:10 | <@adamg> | network and new aliase up |
| 10:11 | <@adamg> | everything else up |
| 10:11 | <@caker> | so perhaps as long as you have one IP in the correct subnet it works |
| 10:11 | <@adamg> | well I can ping it |
| 10:11 | <@caker> | and only the 64.62.190.1 gateway, right? |
| 10:11 | <@adamg> | as far as I know, checking route |
| 10:12 | <@adamg> | 64.62.190.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 10:12 | <@adamg> | 66.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 10:12 | <@adamg> | 127.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 lo |
| 10:12 | <@adamg> | 0.0.0.0 64.62.190.1 0.0.0.0 UG 1 0 0 eth0 |
| 10:12 | <@caker> | groovey |
| 10:12 | <@caker> | ahh |
| 10:12 | <@adamg> | just gotta specify a subnet for the new IP, for some reason it is not using the default one |
| 10:12 | <@caker> | fix subnet mask on the 66.220.1 ip |
| 10:14 | <@adamg> | restarting everything again |
| 10:14 | <@adamg> | apache, mail, ssh, pdnsd, ntp etc |
| 10:15 | <@adamg> | done and I can still ping it |
| 10:16 | <@adamg> | although cant ssh to it |
| 10:16 | <@caker> | foobar@66.220.1.130's password: |
| 10:16 | <@adamg> | I can now |
| 10:17 | <@adamg> | but ifconfig is showing no packet recieved or sent |
| 10:17 | <@adamg> | on eth0:0 |
| 10:22 | <@adamg> | now I broke it |
| 10:22 | <@adamg> | really broke it |
| 10:23 | <@caker> | hehe |
| 10:23 | <@adamg> | i did route add default gw 66.220.1.130 |
| 10:23 | <@caker> | aliases don't show traffic :( |
| 10:23 | <@adamg> | and it broke |
| 10:23 | <@adamg> | no wonder really |
| 10:23 | * | caker is glad his ebtables on the host filter out for nasty things like that |
| 10:24 | <@caker> | like arping as the gateway, etc :) |
| 10:24 | <@adamg> | it would be nice if aliases did show bw usage handy to see the traffic |
| 10:24 | <@caker> | send a msg to lkml :) |
| 10:24 | <@caker> | otherwise, you have to add iptable counters |
| 10:24 | <@adamg> | that is the other option |
| 10:25 | <@adamg> | I need to lock the IP down to ports 25 and 53 anyway so will do it then |
| 10:28 | <@adamg> | i have got a sample script to feed bandwidth data from a chain into rrdtool |
| 10:28 | <@adamg> | so all www data or something like that |
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| 10:31 | <ElfStone> | caker you there? |
| 10:31 | <@caker> | yup |
| 10:31 | <ElfStone> | tell me if you like the link i added |
| 10:31 | <ElfStone> | http://elvencloak.homelinux.net/?pg=links |
| 10:32 | <@caker> | very nice, thank you :) |
| 10:32 | <ElfStone> | hehe =) |
| 10:33 | <ElfStone> | i added that since linode is good |
| 10:33 | <ElfStone> | and incase i dun get a linode |
| 10:33 | <@caker> | ElfStone: Slackware Linus ? |
| 10:33 | <ElfStone> | Linux |
| 10:33 | <@caker> | typo? |
| 10:33 | * | ElfStone checks |
| 10:33 | <ElfStone> | fixed |
| 10:34 | <ElfStone> | =P |
| 10:36 | <ElfStone> | whatca upto today? |
| 10:37 | <@caker> | some family is coming over the a little birthday get together |
| 10:37 | <ElfStone> | ah |
| 10:37 | <ElfStone> | cool |
| 10:37 | <@caker> | last time I'll se most of them before I fly back to nashville on Tuesday |
| 10:37 | * | adamg has the joys of all that next weekend |
| 10:37 | <ElfStone> | caker you in NJ? |
| 10:38 | <@caker> | atm, yes |
| 10:38 | <ElfStone> | hehe |
| 10:38 | <ElfStone> | so did you vist XO when you were there? |
| 10:38 | <@caker> | yeah .. was there all day last .. Tuesday? |
| 10:38 | <ElfStone> | cool |
| 10:39 | <ElfStone> | your still thinking of moving (back) to NJ? |
| 10:39 | <ElfStone> | adamg: your birthday is coming up? |
| 10:39 | <@caker> | Yes .. not sure when |
| 10:40 | <ElfStone> | cool coiol |
| 10:40 | <ElfStone> | cool |
| 10:40 | <ElfStone> | i am still looking for a job |
| 10:41 | <@adamg> | there is so much hassle in moving |
| 10:41 | <ElfStone> | yea |
| 10:41 | <ElfStone> | we moved here 10 years ago |
| 10:41 | <ElfStone> | and stuff is still in boxes |
| 10:46 | <@adamg> | sweet I can get rrdtool to output bandwidth data based on 95% billing |
| 10:46 | <ElfStone> | cool |
| 10:47 | <ElfStone> | damn it |
| 10:48 | <ElfStone> | can;t use coyote linux for my router |
| 10:49 | <ElfStone> | cuz i dun haev a floppy drive for this pc |
| 10:49 | <@caker> | usb-key drives are very useful |
| 10:50 | <@adamg> | that they are |
| 10:50 | <ElfStone> | dun have usb2 |
| 10:52 | <@adamg> | only need usb1 |
| 10:52 | <ElfStone> | can you boot from a usb-key drive |
| 10:53 | <@adamg> | if the bios allows it |
| 10:53 | <ElfStone> | i have a ol bios |
| 10:53 | <ElfStone> | old |
| 10:53 | <ElfStone> | hard to upgrade |
| 10:53 | <ElfStone> | since this pc is a piece of crap |
| 10:55 | <ElfStone> | er |
| 10:59 | <ElfStone> | oh well |
| 10:59 | <ElfStone> | i might buy a older pc for a firewall |
| 10:59 | <ElfStone> | and use this one as a server when i get my new pc |
| 11:00 | <ElfStone> | loclatesting etc |
| 11:03 | <@adamg> | will while(true) work in perl |
| 11:05 | <ElfStone> | i aviod perl |
| 11:05 | <ElfStone> | avoid |
| 11:06 | <@adamg> | and what is wrong with perl |
| 11:07 | <ElfStone> | bad experinces |
| 11:07 | * | ElfStone shutters |
| 11:08 | <ElfStone> | have had servers crash from overload |
| 11:08 | <ElfStone> | from useing perl |
| 11:11 | <ElfStone> | i am looking for a MOTOROLA SB5100 cable modem on ebay |
| 11:11 | <ElfStone> | no luck |
| 11:12 | <Griswald> | why, elfstone? |
| 11:12 | <ElfStone> | why am i looking for one? |
| 11:12 | <Griswald> | Radio Shack is selling RCA cable modems for only $80 |
| 11:12 | <Griswald> | yeah |
| 11:13 | <ElfStone> | i can get a MOTOROLA SB5100 on ebay for like 20 |
| 11:13 | <ElfStone> | i plan on getting cable modem |
| 11:13 | <Griswald> | but they probably have the mac-addy written down, etc. |
| 11:13 | <ElfStone> | and i dun wanna pay to lease one |
| 11:13 | <ElfStone> | *NEW* MOTOROLA DOCSIS SB5100 MODEM 2.0 |
| 11:14 | <ElfStone> | why would they ahev the mac address written down? |
| 11:14 | <Griswald> | macaddy can be on the outside of the box :P |
| 11:14 | <ElfStone> | yea i know |
| 11:14 | <ElfStone> | why would they ahev the mac address written down?? |
| 11:14 | <Griswald> | well, you never know what they'd use the mac addy for :) |
| 11:14 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 11:15 | <ElfStone> | well adelphia charges $8 a month to lease |
| 11:15 | <Griswald> | heh |
| 11:15 | <Griswald> | comcast charges $5 |
| 11:15 | <ElfStone> | do you lease? |
| 11:15 | <Griswald> | so I bought me a $80 cable modem |
| 11:15 | <Griswald> | I was |
| 11:15 | <Griswald> | then I bought the RCA cable modem |
| 11:15 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 11:15 | <ElfStone> | hehe |
| 11:15 | <Griswald> | 5 minutes on the phone, and I was switched over to mine |
| 11:16 | <ElfStone> | oh |
| 11:16 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 11:16 | <Griswald> | :) |
| 11:16 | <Griswald> | theirs was givin me problems |
| 11:16 | <Griswald> | refused to connect, etc. |
| 11:16 | * | ElfStone looks at compusa |
| 11:16 | <ElfStone> | yea |
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| 11:16 | <ElfStone> | what state you live in |
| 11:16 | <Griswald> | MD |
| 11:16 | <@adamg> | hi adamg |
| 11:16 | <@adamg> | hi alex45 |
| 11:16 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 11:16 | <ElfStone> | ah |
| 11:16 | <ElfStone> | seems my city |
| 11:16 | <Griswald> | not-so-cable-modem populated place |
| 11:17 | <ElfStone> | has only 1 canle modem provicder |
| 11:17 | <Griswald> | same |
| 11:17 | <Griswald> | but you can buy 'em from just about anywhere |
| 11:17 | <Griswald> | it's either Cable or DSL |
| 11:17 | <ElfStone> | which i heard sucks |
| 11:17 | <Griswald> | and I didn't want DSL |
| 11:17 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 11:17 | <ElfStone> | here |
| 11:17 | <ElfStone> | youc an only get dsl |
| 11:18 | <ElfStone> | you can |
| 11:18 | <ElfStone> | if you are withverizon for phone |
| 11:18 | <Griswald> | yip |
| 11:18 | <Griswald> | same |
| 11:18 | <Griswald> | verizon building is .3 miles away |
| 11:18 | <Griswald> | :P |
| 11:18 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 11:18 | <ElfStone> | there dsl rocks |
| 11:18 | <ElfStone> | but |
| 11:18 | <ElfStone> | my dad changed to mci |
| 11:19 | <ElfStone> | wtf |
| 11:19 | <Griswald> | lol |
| 11:19 | <ElfStone> | compusa dun off mortal |
| 11:19 | <ElfStone> | mortal |
| 11:19 | <ElfStone> | w/e |
| 11:19 | <ElfStone> | MOTOROLA |
| 11:19 | <ElfStone> | i stil want that cablemodem and router in one thing |
| 11:20 | <Griswald> | :) |
| 11:20 | <ElfStone> | all in one |
| 11:20 | <ElfStone> | but adelphia dun support it |
| 11:21 | * | ElfStone gets name |
| 11:27 | <ElfStone> | grs |
| 11:27 | <ElfStone> | Griswald: |
| 11:27 | <ElfStone> | Motorola SBG1000 Cable Modem Gateway |
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| 11:48 | <NeXTer> | ElfStone: That link to oswd.org is wrong |
| 11:48 | <ElfStone> | O.o |
| 11:49 | <NeXTer> | I was away watching a movie :P |
| 11:49 | <ElfStone> | Oh |
| 11:49 | <ElfStone> | lol |
| 11:51 | <ElfStone> | fixed |
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| 12:59 | <You_Wish> | Lionde rules! |
| 12:59 | <@adamg|@#linode> | you reckon he types that everytime or has it set to appear whenever he logs in |
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| 13:13 | <nicklauss> | hello room. I just wanted to ask what distinguishes linode from the other UML companies |
| 13:14 | <@adamg> | the CP |
| 13:14 | <NeXTer> | A high degree of professionalism and can-do mentality, I'd say... |
| 13:14 | <@adamg> | there are many things |
| 13:15 | <@adamg> | and that caker doesnt make out he is 10 different people |
| 13:15 | <@adamg> | and lots of other small things |
| 13:15 | <nicklauss> | ok ... I like the fact that there's a forum and a chammel like this. |
| 13:15 | <nicklauss> | so one can't be stuck for too long |
| 13:16 | <@adamg> | and to say that this is an 'unmanaged' service caker goes out of his way to help people |
| 13:18 | <nicklauss> | The only thing I wish was added is a backup service |
| 13:18 | <@adamg> | sighup linode forums |
| 13:18 | <sighup> | adamg: Linode.com Announcements: Free Upgrade to Linode 96, help test Host4; Sendmail and Email Related Forum: Sendmail/postfix inoperability; Sales Questions and Answers: Traffic between Linodes; Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials: Red Hat & Linode QuickStart; Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials: (Locked) Creating an offsite binary replica |
| 13:18 | <@adamg> | as in the ability to backup the disk images |
| 13:18 | <nicklauss> | backup anything I feel like |
| 13:19 | <nicklauss> | on a separate system |
| 13:19 | <@adamg> | it is something that may appear in the future |
| 13:19 | <nicklauss> | e.g. have my 500mb of my 2 gig space on another syste, |
| 13:19 | <@adamg> | most people just email things or copy things to themselves |
| 13:20 | <NeXTer> | Well... Everything is on mirrored RAIDs, so losing stuff due to disk failure shouldn't be an issue |
| 13:20 | <@adamg> | in less it is a batch problem |
| 13:20 | <NeXTer> | Well, true |
| 13:21 | <nicklauss> | NeXTer: ppl have lost stuff in the past! |
| 13:21 | <NeXTer> | Though having both sides of the mirror fail in the time it takes to replace the first lost drive is unlikely (though not impossible) |
| 13:22 | <@adamg> | it would probably take about 96 hours to replace though |
| 13:23 | <@adamg> | but anyway |
| 13:23 | <@adamg> | nicklauss: yes people have lost stuff before but that was out of caker control and probably would have had similar problems on the dedicated or colo box if the samething was to have happened to them |
| 13:24 | <NeXTer> | Professional grade offsite backup systems cost a lot more than the price tag on a linode allows for, I think |
| 13:24 | <@adamg> | nicklauss: in the end the backup is down to you, you could mirror the entire system or just the data and condif files |
| 13:24 | <@adamg> | that it does |
| 13:25 | <@adamg> | another L64 gone |
| 13:28 | <@adamg> | afk ... hunting for food |
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| 13:33 | = | sighup [~sighup@webuser.thegrebs.com] quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 13:37 | <nicklauss> | sorry adamg I had a netwrk prob |
| 13:38 | <nicklauss> | but I have checked the logs |
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| 13:39 | <nicklauss> | adamg: I do not see why "off-server" ftp space should be difficult |
| 13:41 | = | hacktic [~hacktic@p5080C890.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] quit (Ping timeout: 512 seconds) |
| 13:41 | o8m1y2t8s | is now known as hacktic |
| 13:41 | <sinned> | because running an ftp server sucks |
| 13:42 | <sinned> | i'll sell you backup service if you want |
| 13:45 | <nicklauss> | sinned: hmmm |
| 13:45 | <nicklauss> | I really don't see how its as complicated about other aspecs of UML hosting |
| 13:45 | & |
