| --- | Log | opened Sat Jan 03 00:00:06 2004 |
| 00:23 | <You_Wish> | caker |
| 00:32 | + | futuraworkz [~futurawor@pcp530393pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] joined #linode |
| 00:33 | <You_Wish> | any you guys here work with caker |
| 00:34 | <futuraworkz> | used to... does caker have a job? |
| 00:34 | <You_Wish> | i just found something by accedent he may need to know |
| 00:36 | = | futuraworkz [~futurawor@pcp530393pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net] quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.8) |
| 00:48 | <@mikegrb> | You_Wish: what did you find? |
| 00:48 | <You_Wish> | in my network section |
| 00:49 | <You_Wish> | in network configuration |
| 00:49 | <You_Wish> | in host address |
| 00:49 | <You_Wish> | i am going to paste some what is there |
| 00:49 | <You_Wish> | 192.168.0.101 caldera24 caldera24.goober.org |
| 00:49 | <You_Wish> | 192.168.0.111 conectiva51 connectiva51.goober.org |
| 00:49 | <You_Wish> | 192.168.0.112 conectiva60 connectiva60.goober.org |
| 00:49 | <You_Wish> | 192.168.0.113 conectiva70 connectiva70.goober.org |
| 00:50 | <You_Wish> | 192.168.0.144 redhat72 redhat72.goober.org |
| 00:50 | <You_Wish> | 192.168.0.250 uml-test uml-test.goober.org |
| 00:50 | <You_Wish> | 192.168.0.254 router xdisplay |
| 00:50 | <You_Wish> | what is even worse is it gives me the option to delete those |
| 00:50 | <You_Wish> | what are they? |
| 00:51 | <You_Wish> | doesn't caker have something to do with 192.168.0.250 uml-test uml-test.goober.org |
| 00:51 | <@mikegrb> | left over from testing no doubt |
| 00:51 | <@mikegrb> | those ips are all local ips |
| 00:51 | <You_Wish> | put in those web address and see what you get |
| 00:51 | <@mikegrb> | I'll pass it on to caker if you aren't around when he is though |
| 00:52 | <You_Wish> | something very freak about those |
| 00:52 | <You_Wish> | there are twice as much there |
| 00:53 | <@mikegrb> | they are names he probably picked out of his rear when testing stuff |
| 00:54 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 00:54 | <You_Wish> | i want to delete them if that is the case |
| 00:55 | <You_Wish> | i will hold until i here something |
| 00:55 | <@mikegrb> | which ever you prefer |
| 00:55 | <shakr> | that looks suspiciously like my vhost :> |
| 00:55 | <You_Wish> | do you know if it will hurt anything to delete them |
| 00:56 | <@mikegrb> | shouldn't |
| 00:56 | <@mikegrb> | shakr: heh |
| 00:56 | <You_Wish> | shakr you want me to list the rest |
| 00:57 | <shakr> | You_Wish: no |
| 00:57 | <shakr> | i dont think anyone does |
| 00:57 | <shakr> | which distro were those in? |
| 00:57 | <You_Wish> | red8 |
| 00:58 | <shakr> | might be more useful to submit a ticket and tell caker to double check /etc/hosts in the rh8 image |
| 00:58 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 00:59 | <You_Wish> | are they your vhosts |
| 00:59 | <shakr> | no, like mikegrb mentioned they are probably just random names used for testing |
| 00:59 | <shakr> | just a coincidence, really |
| 01:00 | <You_Wish> | i just dont want to down anybody |
| 01:00 | <You_Wish> | ticket going in |
| 01:01 | <You_Wish> | we got anybody here the works with national security |
| 01:01 | <limecat> | hmmm i wonder if godaddy outsources its tech support. |
| 01:01 | <shakr> | /etc/hosts is local to your machine, so they can be safely deleted |
| 01:01 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 01:01 | <shakr> | limecat: indian accents? |
| 01:02 | <You_Wish> | i found another scary site for national security |
| 01:02 | <limecat> | no just that the support comes from a supportwebsite.com and i get scripted replies. |
| 01:02 | <shakr> | supportwebsite.com is parked on godaddy/somestuff/support |
| 01:02 | <limecat> | is there a command to find out my linode's ip addy? |
| 01:03 | <AndyHat> | ifconfig |
| 01:03 | <@mikegrb> | You_Wish: what site? |
| 01:03 | <AndyHat> | You may have to give the full path, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 01:03 | * | limecat thanks AndyHat |
| 01:04 | <limecat> | so whats the diff between an A record and a CNAME when dealing with DNS stuff? |
| 01:05 | <shakr> | cnames are pointers, don't use them |
| 01:05 | <limecat> | ok |
| 01:05 | <You_Wish> | dont use pointers whay? |
| 01:06 | <shakr> | because it's possible to create a cname which returns a cname which returns a cname etc etc, it slows down name resolution |
| 01:06 | <limecat> | a pointer to a pointer to a pointer, etc? |
| 01:06 | <limecat> | so what are cnames useful for, then? |
| 01:06 | <shakr> | it's probably safe to create a cnames for mail, www, and ftp which point to yourdomain.com |
| 01:06 | <limecat> | ahh okay |
| 01:07 | <@mikegrb> | generally when you control both ends directly |
| 01:07 | <You_Wish> | but i thought we didn't have dns servers to point our domains to |
| 01:07 | <@mikegrb> | right |
| 01:08 | <limecat> | you can use whomever you registered your domain with |
| 01:08 | <limecat> | like godaddy for example, has dns controls |
| 01:09 | <You_Wish> | yes but how would you point that to linode if we dont have name servers |
| 01:09 | <You_Wish> | dont you have to go thru something like zoneedit |
| 01:10 | <You_Wish> | or is there a better way |
| 01:10 | <limecat> | i just always went thru my registrar |
| 01:10 | <You_Wish> | i use godaddy |
| 01:10 | <limecat> | godaddy has something similar to zoneedit, i believe. |
| 01:10 | <shakr> | you could run your own dns software on a linode, and specify your nameservers in your registar's account instead of using their services |
| 01:10 | <limecat> | yeah but that would mean dealing with BIND *shudder* |
| 01:10 | <shakr> | limecat: look into djbdns |
| 01:10 | <Artifex> | blech |
| 01:10 | <Artifex> | blech blech blech |
| 01:10 | <Artifex> | maradns |
| 01:11 | <limecat> | shakr: i did. its not as well supported as BIND. |
| 01:11 | <Artifex> | :-D |
| 01:11 | <limecat> | shakr: although more secure ;) |
| 01:11 | <Artifex> | MARADNS!!! |
| 01:11 | <shakr> | what do you mean by well supported? |
| 01:11 | <Artifex> | maradns rocks all over the place |
| 01:11 | <limecat> | skakr: there is more documentation and a larger user community for BIND |
| 01:11 | <You_Wish> | i use godaddy and it asks for name servers |
| 01:11 | <shakr> | it's pretty hard to fuck up djbdns |
| 01:12 | <limecat> | You_Wish: click on the domain you want to edit, once you're in Manage Domains. |
| 01:12 | * | Artifex shoves MaraDNS at limecat and shakr, and then walks away |
| 01:12 | <limecat> | shakr: i could :) |
| 01:12 | <You_Wish> | looking |
| 01:13 | <limecat> | You_Wish: okay first go to manage domains |
| 01:13 | <You_Wish> | there |
| 01:13 | <limecat> | do you see your domain listed in the middle of hte screen, under some reddish-orange buttons? |
| 01:13 | <You_Wish> | yes |
| 01:13 | <limecat> | click on your domain |
| 01:14 | <You_Wish> | done |
| 01:14 | <limecat> | on the right does it say domain details? |
| 01:14 | <You_Wish> | yes |
| 01:14 | <limecat> | at the bottom of that menu do you see where it says Total DNS Controls? |
| 01:14 | <shakr> | and improperly configured bind is a security problem, whereas djbdns just serves data so any configuration issues shouldnt cause a security problem |
| 01:15 | <You_Wish> | nope |
| 01:15 | <You_Wish> | dont see this Total DNS Controls |
| 01:16 | <limecat> | You_Wish: okay. you have to park your domain with godaddy. |
| 01:16 | <limecat> | You_Wish: click on the orangish button that says "set nameservers" |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | ok |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | i see park |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | and custum |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | add default hosting |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | Nameserver have zoneedit servers in them |
| 01:17 | <You_Wish> | 1 and 2 |
| 01:18 | <limecat> | i think you have to park it with godaddy for it to work |
| 01:18 | <You_Wish> | i am using custum at the moment |
| 01:18 | <limecat> | it won't wokr if you're using third party domain servers |
| 01:19 | <You_Wish> | i got a new domain i need to submit so i will see it then in park |
| 01:19 | <You_Wish> | doing it now |
| 01:19 | <limecat> | yeah |
| 01:19 | <limecat> | then you have to wait until tomorrow or so for total dns to appear, i think. |
| 01:19 | <limecat> | it takes up to 48 hours i believe. |
| 01:20 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 01:26 | <You_Wish> | i see it now |
| 01:28 | <You_Wish> | so i can point that right to my ips |
| 01:29 | <You_Wish> | i dont even need zoneedit if i am reading you right |
| 01:29 | <limecat> | right |
| 01:30 | <limecat> | once you have the Total DNS you can edit your A record |
| 01:31 | <You_Wish> | man you guys just rule |
| 01:31 | <shakr> | i'd be curious to hear Artifex's reason for pushing mara |
| 01:31 | <You_Wish> | God you guys are good |
| 01:32 | <You_Wish> | Thanks for you help on that |
| 01:32 | <You_Wish> | lol 100 subdomains also wow |
| 01:33 | <limecat> | heh |
| 01:33 | <limecat> | go wild! |
| 01:33 | <You_Wish> | could i use those for vhost on irc |
| 01:33 | <limecat> | exactly |
| 01:33 | <You_Wish> | how about psybnc |
| 01:33 | <limecat> | say, to use vhost do you have to own the domain you're vhosting? |
| 01:33 | <limecat> | like i couldn't come online as foo@i.own.linode.org could i? |
| 01:34 | <shakr> | as long as i.own.linode.org points to an ip which you have rnds control over |
| 01:34 | <limecat> | hmm |
| 01:34 | <You_Wish> | everybody alwasy tells me you have to have a ip for each vhost |
| 01:34 | <limecat> | but would i have reverse dns control over that? |
| 01:35 | <limecat> | it seems that since i don't own the linode.org domain i wouldn't. |
| 01:35 | <limecat> | by the details of dns are a vague and little understood mystery to me. :) |
| 01:35 | <shakr> | whoever runs linode.org can point i.own.linode.org to an IP on your linode (ie. an IP you can change the rdns for) then you'd be set |
| 01:36 | <inkblot> | You_Wish, there are two ways to set up vhosts |
| 01:36 | <inkblot> | one is called ip-based vhosting and the other is name-based vhosting |
| 01:36 | <You_Wish> | vhosts is something i been working on psybnc now for atleast 6 months |
| 01:36 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 01:36 | <@mikegrb> | inkblot: he wants rdns |
| 01:36 | <inkblot> | ah |
| 01:36 | <@mikegrb> | ;) |
| 01:36 | <limecat> | shakr: but if i couldn't talk caker into that, there's no way i'd be able to come on irc with a *.linode.org vhost, right? |
| 01:37 | <@mikegrb> | limecat: right |
| 01:37 | <shakr> | i dunno, does caker own linode.org? |
| 01:37 | <shakr> | the answer is yes |
| 01:37 | <inkblot> | You_Wish, since an ip can only reverse resolve to one name, you'd need one for each |
| 01:37 | <inkblot> | You_Wish, personally, i think it's a waste |
| 01:37 | <limecat> | ok |
| 01:37 | <limecat> | thx |
| 01:37 | <shakr> | i just checked. yeah its unlikely he would do it but who knows |
| 01:38 | <You_Wish> | ya it would |
| 01:38 | <limecat> | shakr: well it was just a hypothetical example! ;) |
| 01:38 | <limecat> | okay i'm off to play NWN. bbiaw. |
| 01:38 | <You_Wish> | so we are sucking when it comes to vhost on a grand scale |
| 01:39 | <You_Wish> | i will start saving my lunch money for alot ips |
| 01:39 | * | inkblot frowns disapprovingly |
| 01:39 | <shakr> | ips are free at HE.net |
| 01:39 | <You_Wish> | hmm |
| 01:39 | <shakr> | as long as usage is justifed |
| 01:40 | <inkblot> | You_Wish, vhosting is not sufficient justification for obtaining more ips |
| 01:40 | <You_Wish> | what would be example of a justification |
| 01:40 | <You_Wish> | who about ircds? |
| 01:41 | <shakr> | some commercial webhosts assign one account per ip |
| 01:41 | <You_Wish> | how about ircds? |
| 01:41 | <inkblot> | that's one |
| 01:41 | <You_Wish> | how about webpages |
| 01:41 | <You_Wish> | how about forums |
| 01:41 | <You_Wish> | lol |
| 01:41 | <inkblot> | although they'd want a good reason why you couldn't just run your ircds on different ports |
| 01:41 | <inkblot> | we've been talking about web pages |
| 01:41 | <You_Wish> | i do that now |
| 01:41 | <You_Wish> | but it is impratical cause people want their own networks |
| 01:41 | <inkblot> | and forums are an application of web pages, so QED |
| 01:42 | <inkblot> | You_Wish, guess how many vhosts i operate? |
| 01:42 | <shakr> | You_Wish: ips are free at HE.net but if they are going on your linode you would still be charged for them by linode.com |
| 01:42 | <@mikegrb> | You_Wish: a good example is multiple physical machines |
| 01:42 | <You_Wish> | how many |
| 01:42 | <inkblot> | You_Wish, guess |
| 01:42 | <You_Wish> | 10? |
| 01:42 | <@mikegrb> | 567,767,253.8 |
| 01:43 | <inkblot> | You_Wish, close enough, it's 8 on my linode |
| 01:43 | <inkblot> | guess how many ips |
| 01:43 | <@mikegrb> | ummm |
| 01:43 | <@mikegrb> | one? |
| 01:43 | <You_Wish> | my god they rent server space Hurricane Electric News |
| 01:43 | <@mikegrb> | umm yes |
| 01:43 | <inkblot> | mikegrb, correct |
| 01:43 | <You_Wish> | I thought it was a electric company |
| 01:43 | <@mikegrb> | that is what he does |
| 01:44 | <You_Wish> | man no way |
| 01:44 | <inkblot> | hurricane electric is a colo |
| 01:44 | <shakr> | You_Wish: i brought up he.net because linode uses them for a few hosts |
| 01:44 | <You_Wish> | so that is a datatcenter? |
| 01:44 | <inkblot> | yes |
| 01:44 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 01:44 | <You_Wish> | no way |
| 01:44 | <inkblot> | linode has 8 servers there |
| 01:44 | <You_Wish> | o shit |
| 01:44 | <@mikegrb> | look at the pictures |
| 01:44 | <@mikegrb> | your linode lives in a place that looks like that |
| 01:44 | <inkblot> | and 8 at the planet, in dallas |
| 01:45 | <You_Wish> | man that is whay i been looking for |
| 01:45 | <You_Wish> | it says i can seed them a box also |
| 01:45 | <inkblot> | yes, yes you can |
| 01:45 | <inkblot> | that's what datacenters are for |
| 01:45 | <You_Wish> | that is the answer to my windows problem |
| 01:45 | <inkblot> | just be sure to look at the pricetag |
| 01:46 | <You_Wish> | what would one be |
| 01:46 | <You_Wish> | example |
| 01:46 | <You_Wish> | if i send them a box |
| 01:46 | <You_Wish> | for a month any idea |
| 01:46 | <shakr> | i am paying $15 per U and $75 per mbit at HE.net/fremont, which is also the location linode uses |
| 01:46 | * | inkblot points at he.net |
| 01:46 | <You_Wish> | they have to email to get a price |
| 01:47 | <inkblot> | well, i don't know what they charge |
| 01:47 | <inkblot> | but it'll be in the ballpark of a few hundred dollars per month |
| 01:47 | <shakr> | but that is through a reseller, if you are just looking to put in a small number of computers it will be cheaper to go though a reseller instead |
| 01:47 | <You_Wish> | shakr you are a linode user? |
| 01:47 | <shakr> | yes |
| 01:48 | <You_Wish> | man you wont beleve how many problems you just solove for me |
| 01:48 | <You_Wish> | this is blowing me awaay |
| 01:48 | * | inkblot wonders how many we've *created* |
| 01:48 | <You_Wish> | i offer caker to sponsor a server for him |
| 01:49 | <You_Wish> | why would anybody say no to that |
| 01:49 | <inkblot> | cost |
| 01:49 | <You_Wish> | i was going to buy it |
| 01:49 | <inkblot> | [Extended baseball analogy to illustrate previous point.][Extended baseball analogy to illustrate previous point.] |
| 01:50 | <@mikegrb> | shakr: convert 1 megabit per sec to gigabytes per month |
| 01:50 | <@mikegrb> | er |
| 01:50 | <You_Wish> | i would think it would pay for it self |
| 01:50 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: convert 1 megabit per sec to gigabytes per month |
| 01:50 | <sighup> | 1 megabit per sec is 324 gigabytes per month. |
| 01:50 | <@mikegrb> | not bad |
| 01:50 | <shakr> | You_Wish: i'll sponsor a server for you, as long as i have root and you pay the bills :P |
| 01:51 | <You_Wish> | shakr can you set up with multie roots |
| 01:51 | <You_Wish> | or multi windows |
| 01:51 | <shakr> | each mbit works out to about 200 to 250 GB/month on 95th percentile billing |
| 01:51 | <You_Wish> | over my head |
| 01:51 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: 95% of 234 |
| 01:51 | <sighup> | 222.3 |
| 01:51 | <@mikegrb> | er |
| 01:52 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: 95% of 324 |
| 01:52 | <sighup> | 307.8 |
| 01:52 | <@mikegrb> | but yeah |
| 01:52 | <@mikegrb> | I know what you mean |
| 01:52 | <shakr> | or if you are running a game server which is only used at night but which spikes a ton, more like 100GB :p |
| 01:54 | <You_Wish> | man a server is less than a 100 a month |
| 01:54 | <You_Wish> | basic setup |
| 01:55 | <You_Wish> | my boss is going to kiss my butt |
| 01:55 | <You_Wish> | shakr you good places to have these type of machines built |
| 01:56 | <You_Wish> | or do you do it |
| 01:56 | <shakr> | theplanet had dedi's under $50/month for 1000GB not too long ago |
| 01:56 | <You_Wish> | that will solve my back up problem plus my windows glitch |
| 01:57 | <shakr> | i believe what caker does about hardware is to buy barebones systems (say a 1u case and board) and he adds in drives, memory, cpus |
| 01:58 | <You_Wish> | i thought datacenter was like a lirbray for buiness lol |
| 01:59 | <shakr> | for example, http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?DEPA=1&sumit=Go&description=56%2D101%2D508&searchdepa=1 |
| 02:00 | <You_Wish> | dude i am in unbeilf |
| 02:01 | <shakr> | you can also purchase fully assembled rackmount systems though i wouldn't know who to recommend, perhaps dell.com? |
| 02:01 | <You_Wish> | any idea why they would rack it when they can just tower it |
| 02:01 | <You_Wish> | any reason for that |
| 02:02 | <inkblot> | oh hurg |
| 02:02 | <shakr> | support contracts, or maybe if you arent comfortable pick parts and assembling yourself |
| 02:02 | <You_Wish> | thing looks flat as a pankcake |
| 02:03 | <shakr> | he.net will sell you cabinet space and you can put shelves in there, but it's more space efficent to use rackmount cases |
| 02:03 | <You_Wish> | 6 ram slots |
| 02:03 | <You_Wish> | got it |
| 02:04 | <You_Wish> | high dollar realstate |
| 02:04 | <You_Wish> | lights in my brain are goin off |
| 02:04 | <You_Wish> | i wonder if they would have one in my city |
| 02:05 | <@mikegrb> | what city |
| 02:05 | <@mikegrb> | in virginia? |
| 02:05 | <shakr> | if you rent a dedicated server from a reseller you wouldn't have to worry about providing your own hardware and at least in the short term it may come out cheaper |
| 02:05 | <You_Wish> | Jacksonville Florida |
| 02:05 | <inkblot> | google "colocation jacksonville" |
| 02:08 | <You_Wish> | i have a box setting under my feet looking for a home |
| 02:08 | <You_Wish> | colocations sounds the way to go |
| 02:08 | <You_Wish> | i got 6 servers looking for good home |
| 02:09 | <You_Wish> | not the pankcakes tho |
| 02:09 | <inkblot> | you probably saw a 1U case |
| 02:10 | <inkblot> | look at some 2U, 3U, and 4U cases |
| 02:10 | <CrackMonkey> | And check your drive geometry |
| 02:10 | <inkblot> | note that in rackmount terms, 4U is *huge* |
| 02:10 | <inkblot> | but it's about the same dimensions as a regular old desktop computer |
| 02:10 | <shakr> | if you are using a 4U, it better have quad cpus and 20 drives :p |
| 02:11 | <CrackMonkey> | and those drives had better be using platonic solids |
| 02:11 | <CrackMonkey> | otherwise you'd never get them to sync up enough for RAID |
| 02:12 | <inkblot> | Ąż!? |
| 02:12 | <CrackMonkey> | I always have to adjust the azimuth |
| 02:12 | <shakr> | You_Wish: you might start your seach with local ISPs, many of them will let you attach one of your towers to their connection for a reasonable monthly fee |
| 02:12 | <You_Wish> | k |
| 02:12 | <CrackMonkey> | You_Wish: be sure to get a black case |
| 02:12 | <CrackMonkey> | more efficient |
| 02:12 | <You_Wish> | this is over whelming |
| 02:12 | <CrackMonkey> | absorbs energy from the room around it |
| 02:13 | <CrackMonkey> | I feel adequately whelmed |
| 02:13 | <CrackMonkey> | myself |
| 02:13 | <CrackMonkey> | but I'll toddle off now |
| 02:13 | <CrackMonkey> | just remember |
| 02:13 | <@mikegrb> | I'm underwhelmed myself |
| 02:13 | <CrackMonkey> | Don't suspect a friend: REPORT HIM! |
| 02:13 | <CrackMonkey> | and BE VIGILANT |
| 02:13 | <You_Wish> | i can't you guys dont charge to just get in this channel |
| 02:13 | <@mikegrb> | double check the providor supports the drive geometry you want to use |
| 02:13 | <You_Wish> | i can't belive you guys dont charge to just get in this channel |
| 02:13 | <inkblot> | i can't you read sentence thing |
| 02:14 | <@mikegrb> | You_Wish: we do |
| 02:14 | <@mikegrb> | You_Wish: it will appear on your internet bill as "interactive chat services" |
| 02:14 | <You_Wish> | i am totally totally impressed |
| 02:15 | <You_Wish> | i wasn't kinding you guys are totally remarkable |
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| 03:33 | <k4k0> | caker :D |
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| 03:44 | <shakr> | what is a cheap chainedssl reseller? can't seem to find the rackshack $10 special anymore |
| 03:58 | <sinned> | chainedssl? |
| 03:59 | <sinned> | hahahah interactive chat services |
| 03:59 | <sinned> | what a good idea |
| 04:01 | <shakr> | re chainedssl: http://www.freessl.com/faq.html#8 |
| 04:04 | <sinned> | oh nice |
| 04:22 | guinea-pig | is now known as guinea-work |
| 04:45 | <shakr> | anyone know how a chainedssl cert would work in a non webserver application... say stunnel or imaps |
| 06:24 | <sinned> | what do you mean |
| 06:38 | <shakr> | there are some extra steps that need to be taken to get one working for web, so i was wondering what extra steps would need to be taken elsewhere |
| 06:38 | <shakr> | but i just said fuck it and ordered a freessl right-below-the-root cert |
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| 09:27 | ~ | ChanServ set +o adamgent on #linode |
| 09:27 | adamgent | is now known as adamg |
| 09:28 | <@adamg> | hi all |
| 09:41 | <@adamg> | well thats the logs read as to what I missed in the last 12 hours |
| 09:41 | <@adamg|@#linode> | I see you wish was having fun again |
| 09:48 | <NeXTer> | ... |
| 09:48 | <NeXTer> | Nothing much? |
| 09:50 | <@caker> | morning |
| 09:50 | <@caker> | adamg: host1-8 are at tp |
| 09:51 | <@adamg> | so I get it wrong by 1 |
| 09:55 | <@adamg> | changed |
| 10:16 | <@adamg> | all these servers get confusing |
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| 10:30 | <@adamg> | sighup ping caker |
| 10:30 | <sighup> | caker: ping! ping! ping! |
| 10:30 | <sighup> | caker was last seen on #linode 40 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: adamg: host1-8 are at tp [1073141416] |
| 10:33 | <@adamg> | sighup ping adamg |
| 10:33 | <sighup> | adamg: ping! ping! ping! |
| 10:33 | <sighup> | adamg was last seen on #linode 0 seconds ago, saying: sighup ping adamg [1073144010] |
| 10:33 | <@adamg> | sighup ping adamg |
| 10:33 | <sighup> | adamg: ping! ping! ping! |
| 10:33 | <sighup> | adamg was last seen on #linode 0 seconds ago, saying: sighup ping adamg [1073144014] |
| 10:33 | <@adamg> | thats better |
| 10:34 | <guinea-work> | what was different other than the timestamp? |
| 10:34 | <@adamg> | got my irc client to play a noise |
| 10:34 | <guinea-work> | haha |
| 10:34 | <guinea-work> | so i can annoy you |
| 10:34 | <guinea-work> | sighup: ping adamg |
| 10:34 | <sighup> | adamg: ping! ping! ping! |
| 10:34 | <sighup> | adamg was last seen on #linode 13 seconds ago, saying: got my irc client to play a noise [1073144065] |
| 10:34 | guinea-work | is now known as guinea-pig |
| 10:34 | <guinea-pig> | can i annoy you some more? |
| 10:35 | <@adamg> | like I have any choice |
| 10:35 | <guinea-pig> | sighup: ping adamg |
| 10:35 | <sighup> | adamg: ping! ping! ping! |
| 10:35 | <sighup> | adamg was last seen on #linode 33 seconds ago, saying: like I have any choice [1073144109] |
| 10:35 | <guinea-pig> | :D |
| 10:38 | <@adamg> | you disappear for 12 hours and things change |
| 10:39 | <@adamg> | gp: I will get my revenge! |
| 10:41 | ~ | adamg set +o inkblot on #linode |
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| 10:48 | <guinea-pig> | eh? |
| 10:48 | <guinea-pig> | sighup: g7 gp |
| 10:48 | <sighup> | #G7 stats for gp, the Emperor of New England -- 8/113 Current Level: 46 | Time to next level: 1 days, 11:11:07 | Status: online | Item Total: 458 | Total Time Idled: 43 days, 03:03:50 |
| 10:48 | <guinea-pig> | sighup: g7 adamg |
| 10:48 | <sighup> | #G7 stats for adamgent, the sleepy -- 17/113 Current Level: 45 | Time to next level: 3 days, 01:32:57 | Status: online | Item Total: 423 | Total Time Idled: 36 days, 22:43:05 |
| 10:48 | <guinea-pig> | haha |
| 10:52 | <@adamg> | so I am lower than you |
| 10:53 | <@adamg> | you started before I did |
| 10:53 | <guinea-pig> | i await your revenge with pleasure |
| 10:53 | <guinea-pig> | oh. i thought that's what you were on about |
| 10:53 | ~ | adamg set +b *!*@parsed.net on #linode |
| 10:53 | ~ | ChanServ set +o guinea-pig on #linode |
| 10:53 | ! | guinea-pig was kicked from #linode by adamg (hehe) |
| 10:53 | ~ | ChanServ set -b *!*@parsed.net on #linode |
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| 10:53 | <@guinea-pig> | erm, #linode, not #linude |
| 10:53 | <@guinea-pig> | don't get frisky with me, son |
| 10:54 | <@adamg> | you started it |
| 10:54 | <@guinea-pig> | i will make trogdor burninate you! |
| 10:54 | <@adamg> | i cant win when you own the channel |
| 10:55 | <@guinea-pig> | winning isn't everything |
| 10:55 | <@guinea-pig> | it'll be ok, adamg |
| 10:55 | * | guinea-pig hands adamg a tissue |
| 10:57 | <@adamg> | erm |
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| 12:03 | <@adamg> | anyone know how to set-up snmo |
| 12:03 | <@adamg> | anyone know how to set-up snmp |
| 12:12 | <limecat> | i don't but there should be numerous HOW-TOs and FAQs on it |
| 12:13 | <limecat> | have you tried google groups? |
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| 12:42 | <@adamg> | got it sorted |
| 12:42 | <@adamg> | and have have managed to get some of my rrdtool stuff set-up |
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| 15:02 | <@adamg> | sighup ping mikegrb |
| 15:02 | <sighup> | mikegrb: ping! ping! ping! |
| 15:02 | <sighup> | mikegrb was last seen on #orion 1 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: and all above permutations with seconds [1073160055] |
| 15:02 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 15:03 | <@adamg> | what is the domain that you are devloping to be like bash |
| 15:03 | <@mikegrb> | iqdb.net |
| 15:03 | <@mikegrb> | working on it right now even |
| 15:03 | <@mikegrb> | with another guy |
| 15:03 | <@mikegrb> | should be available in an hour give or take |
| 15:04 | <@adamg> | when you have some free time can you do me a favour |
| 15:06 | <@mikegrb> | sure thing |
| 15:06 | <@mikegrb> | wassup? |
| 15:07 | <@adamg> | have you still got that backup mx mail entry |
| 15:10 | <@mikegrb> | umm I don't remember heh |
| 15:10 | <@mikegrb> | lemme look |
| 15:10 | <@mikegrb> | no |
| 15:10 | <@mikegrb> | I can add it back though |
| 15:10 | <@adamg> | if you could |
| 15:11 | <@adamg> | domain.com MX 20 adhaero.hat-technologies.ltd.uk |
| 15:11 | <@inkblot> | slashnet == dongs |
| 15:11 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 15:11 | <@mikegrb> | why for this time? |
| 15:12 | <@mikegrb> | did the server go done? |
| 15:12 | <@mikegrb> | er down |
| 15:12 | <@adamg> | mikegrb you talking to me? |
| 15:13 | <@mikegrb> | no inkblot |
| 15:13 | <@adamg> | k |
| 15:13 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 15:14 | <@inkblot> | yeah, i think a server went out for a smoke |
| 15:14 | <@adamg> | it can get confusing |
| 15:14 | <@inkblot> | must have been area51 |
| 15:16 | <@guinea-pig> | improv boston, here i come! |
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| 15:22 | * | adamg returns from getting lost in the duvet cover |
| 15:22 | <@inkblot> | kinky |
| 15:23 | <@adamg> | I wish |
| 15:23 | <@adamg> | or maybe dont wish |
| 15:23 | <@caker> | it's 62 degrees outside! |
| 15:24 | <@adamg> | C or F |
| 15:24 | <@caker> | F :) |
| 15:24 | <@caker> | damn warm for Jan 3rd |
| 15:25 | <@inkblot> | that's 17 of your crazy french degrees |
| 15:30 | <@guinea-pig> | damn warm. we got snow |
| 15:30 | <@guinea-pig> | today |
| 15:33 | <risto> | this is freeky |
| 15:33 | <risto> | is 'group' somehow reserved field name in MySQL? |
| 15:34 | <risto> | I created field with that name and could not add value to it |
| 15:34 | <risto> | I changed it to 'usergroup' and it worked fine |
| 15:34 | <risto> | must be puking to group statement in select |
| 15:36 | guinea-pig | is now known as guinea-beantown |
| 15:38 | <julia> | it snowed here yesterday |
| 15:38 | <julia> | and is rainy yucky here today |
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| 15:40 | <@adamg> | anyone wanna see pics of _loads_ of servers |
| 15:41 | <nicklauss> | Hi! I have some more questions today. Who's up? I calculated that if there are 32 UMLs on a 2-processor Xeon the effective minimum CPU speed for the 64mb plan should be 166mhz. I'm confused! |
| 15:41 | <nicklauss> | adamg: yes I want to see. |
| 15:41 | <@mikegrb> | nicklauss: you are right ;) |
| 15:41 | <@adamg> | the ammounts of nodes on a machines was limited by the memory quicker than it was limited by the CPU |
| 15:42 | <@mikegrb> | nicklauss: so you get better then what is specified on the page :) |
| 15:42 | <risto> | is anybody else here on host3? |
| 15:42 | <@adamg> | these where posted on the EV1 forums, from someone who sent on there trip, the machine pics are from there dc |
| 15:42 | <@adamg> | http://www.dotjump.com/ev1pics/ |
| 15:44 | <nicklauss> | do you see providers using Athlon64s/UML in the future for this reason? |
| 15:51 | <nicklauss> | adamg: the pics you sent ... there's a lot of space in those datacenters... I felt the large web hosts used 'rack servers' to save space? |
| 15:52 | <@adamg> | rack servers are a lot more expensive |
| 15:53 | <@adamg> | when space is not a major issue but cost is then you go for the midi towers |
| 15:53 | <@mikegrb> | everyone go to http://iqdb.net and add funny stuff.... NOW! |
| 15:56 | <@adamg> | so submit and latest works then mike |
| 15:58 | <@adamg> | erm and your site has 11 validation errors |
| 15:59 | <@mikegrb> | adamg: shhhh |
| 15:59 | <@mikegrb> | don't tell anyone |
| 15:59 | <@adamg> | well you ask for it, if you link to the validator |
| 15:59 | <@mikegrb> | it's for my concienance that the validate links is there :) |
| 15:59 | <@mikegrb> | once I add user auth I might make that only for dev |
| 16:00 | <@caker> | risto: host3 ok? |
| 16:00 | <@adamg> | i just sont link to one, as I know mine wont validator |
| 16:00 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 16:00 | <@mikegrb> | the main page validates |
| 16:00 | <@mikegrb> | and almost every page on thegrebs.com does |
| 16:00 | <@caker> | risto: I think you have to qualify some field/table names with []... I forget which it is |
| 16:00 | <@inkblot> | <@inkblot> <@mikegrb> everyone go to http://iqdb.net and add funny stuff.... NOW! |
| 16:00 | <@inkblot> | <@inkblot> bash.org clone |
| 16:00 | <@inkblot> | <@sneakums> noooooooo |
| 16:01 | <@inkblot> | <@psykoyiko> i'm going to add that one! |
| 16:01 | <@inkblot> | <@sneakums> one was too many! |
| 16:01 | <@inkblot> | <@psykoyiko> oh man that's funny |
| 16:01 | <@adamg> | the submit pages doesnt |
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| 16:01 | <risto> | caker, yes, it's OK now. I have just been wondering the load spike I see every night 4am EST. |
| 16:01 | <@mikegrb> | it doesn't? |
| 16:01 | <@caker> | risto: cron jobs running on 30 nodes :) |
| 16:01 | <risto> | caker, the load just jumpst to 40-50 and it seems to happen ever night. I don't see anything on my own linode loading. |
| 16:02 | <@caker> | risto: from people who deployed before I moved crons around on the default installs |
| 16:02 | <@inkblot> | 4 am load spike == too many redhat users |
| 16:02 | <risto> | the system goes to real real slow for 10-15 minutes |
| 16:02 | <@caker> | that's not too bad .. |
| 16:03 | <risto> | real real slow = unusable |
| 16:03 | <@caker> | host3 - 16:01:41 up 10 days, 22:15, 3 users, load average: 0.27, 0.31, 0.31 |
| 16:03 | <@mikegrb> | adamg: submit page not working? |
| 16:04 | <@adamg> | no that is the one that doesnt validate |
| 16:04 | <@mikegrb> | oh heh |
| 16:04 | <@mikegrb> | and the latest |
| 16:04 | <@caker> | risto: even if I emailed people to change, I doubt many would ... |
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| 16:05 | <@caker> | risto: which is why I moved the crons on the template distros |
| 16:05 | nicklauss_ | is now known as nicklauss |
| 16:05 | <@caker> | I've thought about an "on next reboot, mount the fs and make changes" routine |
| 16:05 | <risto> | any way to bump up my linodes priority at 4am:-) j/k |
| 16:06 | <@caker> | heh |
| 16:06 | <@inkblot> | there should be a command called "mean" which is complimentary to "nice" |
| 16:06 | <@caker> | 10-15 minutes is a lot better than what it used to be, so that's why I sounded pleased :) |
| 16:06 | <risto> | I wouldn't mind 4am that much but I have a lot of users in Finland, it's 11am over there then |
| 16:06 | <@caker> | ahh |
| 16:07 | <@caker> | what do your crons look like? :)) |
| 16:07 | <@inkblot> | well if people would just set their goddamn /etc/localtime, it would be FAR LESS of a problem |
| 16:07 | <risto> | my crons are empty that time I believe |
| 16:07 | <risto> | which entry redhat puts at 4am by default? |
| 16:07 | <@adamg> | mikegrb did you get chance to enter that dns record |
| 16:08 | <@caker> | risto: /etc/cron.daily |
| 16:08 | <@mikegrb> | adamg: lemme do it now |
| 16:08 | <@caker> | . /etc/cron.weekly too |
| 16:08 | <@adamg> | no rush |
| 16:10 | <nicklauss> | granted we cannot have an actual linode it would be interesting to actualy have a comprehensive manual of the management module (with ful-sized screenshots). In the absence I would like to ask ... if I have s2 or 3 partitions on my linode do they all map to the same file on the host or each block partition device is a separate file? |
| 16:10 | <@adamg> | seperate files |
| 16:11 | <@adamg> | each drive image is a file on the host |
| 16:11 | <@caker> | nicklauss: and you can partition each drive, but by default the entire drive is used as a single partition |
| 16:11 | <@inkblot> | the ubda, ubdb, etc devices are essentially virtual hard disk drives |
| 16:12 | <@inkblot> | you can partition them, and (for example) ubda1 and ubda2 will both be in the file which contains ubda |
| 16:12 | <risto> | anyways, going -> golf |
| 16:12 | <@caker> | I think mikegrb spidered the management site and posted static pages some place |
| 16:12 | <@caker> | risto: :) |
| 16:12 | risto | is now known as rkoEagle |
| 16:12 | <@inkblot> | i don't really understand what value there is in partitioning ubd devices, though |
| 16:12 | <@inkblot> | except if you need lots and lots of block devices |
| 16:12 | <@caker> | inkblot: can't think of one off hand either |
| 16:13 | <@adamg> | i just stick with drive images, a lot easier |
| 16:13 | <@mikegrb> | nicklauss: for a sneak peak at what it looked like um a month and a half or so ago you can look at home.thegrebs.com/linode |
| 16:13 | <@inkblot> | but i can't really imagine a scenario in which you'd want to divide up just a few gigabytes of space that finely |
| 16:13 | <@inkblot> | i have just ubda and ubdb |
| 16:13 | <@inkblot> | ubda is / and ubdb is swap |
| 16:14 | <nicklauss> | ok thanks |
| 16:14 | <@caker> | inkblot: i guess maybe to test an partitioning script or something .. |
| 16:14 | <@adamg> | i use 3 + swap usually but will probably be 4 + swap when I get round to moving off /var |
| 16:14 | <@inkblot> | perhaps |
| 16:15 | <@inkblot> | so, if i use both the fakehd and fake_ide uml command line options, the ubd devices show as ide *and* scsi devices? |
| 16:15 | <@caker> | man those are wacked |
| 16:16 | <@inkblot> | ? |
| 16:16 | <@caker> | they're basically cosmetic only |
| 16:16 | <@inkblot> | right, i know |
| 16:16 | <nicklauss> | what about using such 'partitions' for database data files? It'd be nice to see if it makes any difference. |
| 16:16 | <@inkblot> | oh |
| 16:16 | <@inkblot> | i suppose that's one potential use |
| 16:16 | <nicklauss> | about the filesystems ... does UML use the implementation in the host kernel or what? |
| 16:16 | <@adamg> | nicklauss, dont confuse drive images and partitions |
| 16:17 | <@inkblot> | if the db accesses the block device directly, without a filesystem |
| 16:17 | <@caker> | nicklauss: UML has its own block driver |
| 16:17 | <@caker> | nicklauss: so yes, you can treat devices as raw block images regardless of fs type |
| 16:18 | <nicklauss> | hmm |
| 16:18 | <@caker> | inkblot: fakehd puts hd[a..g] into /proc/partitions instead of ubd |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | inkblot: fake_ide gives you a /proc/ide tree |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | basically to fake out installers |
| 16:19 | <@inkblot> | ok |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | I thought about mknod'ing /dev/hd* with ubd's major/minors, but deviced people need to learn the correct way :) |
| 16:19 | <@inkblot> | well, i'm trying to track down an issue with the lnx-bbc mount.local initscript |
| 16:20 | <@caker> | s/deviced/decided/ |
| 16:20 | <@inkblot> | which is included in lnx-uml, too |
| 16:20 | <@caker> | is that what tries to mount everything under the sun? |
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| 16:20 | <@inkblot> | the one that trolls /dev/discs and mounts everything ro under /mnt/rw/discs |
| 16:20 | <@caker> | ok |
| 16:20 | <@caker> | Yeah, whats the reasoning behind mounting ro inside a dir tree called rw ? |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | the dir is rw |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | so that we can create the mountpoints |
| 16:21 | <@caker> | gotcha |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | it's an idiosyncracy that we're working on |
| 16:21 | <@caker> | all thats on a ram disk, er something? |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | yes |
| 16:21 | <@caker> | makes sense |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | /mnt/rw is a tmpfs, actually |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | not a ramdisk |
| 16:21 | <@inkblot> | because tmpfs can page out |
| 16:21 | <@caker> | yup |
| 16:21 | <@caker> | neat |
| 16:22 | <@inkblot> | whereas ramdisk eats ram and stays there |
| 16:22 | <@inkblot> | also, we don't need it to be a block device |
| 16:22 | <@inkblot> | recent development: |
| 16:22 | <@caker> | I've been thinking about adding prios to tmpfs |
| 16:22 | <@inkblot> | runinram boot option |
| 16:22 | <@inkblot> | loads the contents of the cd into ram and uses that as the media |
| 16:22 | <@inkblot> | allows removal of the cd |
| 16:22 | <@inkblot> | also much faster |
| 16:23 | <@caker> | no spin-up when you do vi or ls |
| 16:23 | <@inkblot> | but you need at least 64MB of ram for it to work |
| 16:23 | <@inkblot> | more to make it worthwhile |
| 16:23 | <@inkblot> | that's probably not a problem for you |
| 16:23 | <@inkblot> | but for some, perhaps |
| 16:23 | <nicklauss> | CD? |
| 16:23 | <@inkblot> | that boot option should be in the next autobuild |
| 16:24 | <@inkblot> | nicklauss, http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ |
| 16:24 | <@inkblot> | which is due to complete in the next hour |
| 16:24 | <@inkblot> | and show up at http://www.movealong.org/builds/ |
| 16:24 | <@inkblot> | it's unknown whether there are bugs lurking |
| 16:25 | <nicklauss> | what are you using lnx-bbc for? I don't suppose cd access is included as part of the hosting? |
| 16:26 | <@inkblot> | it is not |
| 16:26 | <@inkblot> | but people (in particular caker) finds it useful |
| 16:26 | <@inkblot> | find |
| 16:26 | <@caker> | mount -o loop file.iso /mntpoint |
| 16:26 | <@inkblot> | and i'm working on a uml version called lnx-uml |
| 16:26 | <@inkblot> | which is coming along nicely |
| 16:27 | <@inkblot> | caker, how big are the linode uml kernels? |
| 16:27 | <@inkblot> | the one i get comes out to over 6MB |
| 16:27 | <@caker> | Mine are between 4-5 mb |
| 16:27 | <@inkblot> | ok |
| 16:27 | <@caker> | they're 30-50mb if you turn on debugging |
| 16:27 | <@inkblot> | heh |
| 16:28 | <@caker> | ... I only have the basic fs types .. ms-dos, iso9660, ext2/3, jfs |
| 16:28 | <@inkblot> | righto |
| 16:28 | * | adamg contemplates ordering pizza |
| 16:28 | <@inkblot> | the lnx kernel config supports lots and lots of filesystems |
| 16:28 | <@caker> | adamg: just ordered one :) |
| 16:29 | <@caker> | inkblot: probably all of them |
| 16:29 | <@inkblot> | no, not all |
| 16:29 | <@inkblot> | i think |
| 16:29 | * | inkblot shrugs |
| 16:29 | <@inkblot> | maybe |
| 16:32 | <@adamg> | gonna need another IP |
| 16:32 | <nicklauss> | so I can compile my own lnx kernel? |
| 16:32 | <@adamg> | or two |
| 16:32 | <@adamg> | nicklauss no |
| 16:33 | <@adamg> | you can only use the ones provided by caker |
| 16:33 | <nicklauss> | hmmm ... how come? |
| 16:33 | <@inkblot> | security |
| 16:33 | <CrackMonkey> | because caker is the only one who speaks portuguese |
| 16:33 | <@adamg> | for security reasons |
| 16:33 | <@inkblot> | for the security of the host machines |
| 16:34 | <@adamg> | time ti fuck up a dns record |
| 16:34 | <@inkblot> | oh boy! |
| 16:34 | <CrackMonkey> | and the UML install is only in portuguese |
| 16:34 | <@inkblot> | for security reasons |
| 16:34 | <CrackMonkey> | with a little bit of Welsh |
| 16:34 | <CrackMonkey> | yes |
| 16:34 | * | nicklauss thought UML is a 'sandbox' environment |
| 16:34 | <CrackMonkey> | brazillian national security, in fact |
| 16:34 | <CrackMonkey> | nicklauss: more like a litterbox |
| 16:34 | <CrackMonkey> | clumpy, like |
| 16:35 | <nicklauss> | inkblot: what does lnx-uml do? |
| 16:37 | <CrackMonkey> | it boots an LNX-BBC with a UML kernel/environment |
| 16:37 | <CrackMonkey> | so you can do testing |
| 16:38 | <CrackMonkey> | it's originally for testing LNX-BBC builds without having to burn/reboot |
| 16:38 | <CrackMonkey> |
