| --- | Log | opened Sat Dec 27 00:00:33 2003 |
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| 00:54 | @mikegrb> | EFudd: questopm |
| 00:54 | @mikegrb> | er question |
| 00:54 | tjfontaine> | yo |
| 00:54 | @mikegrb> | what about cp'ing logs and truncating them? |
| 00:54 | @mikegrb> | I know with apache that is a problem |
| 00:55 | @mikegrb> | as it seeks to last position before write |
| 00:55 | @mikegrb> | guess it really doesn't matter to me I let the stuff handle it as setup stock by gentoo |
| 00:55 | @mikegrb> | howdy tj |
| 00:55 | @mikegrb> | there was something I was going to ask you |
| 00:55 | @mikegrb> | I'll have to remember what it was |
| 00:55 | tjfontaine> | give it time |
| 00:59 | @mikegrb> | yup |
| 01:03 | EFudd> | yo |
| 01:03 | EFudd> | :P |
| 01:05 | EFudd> | mike, hrm, dnno about apache's funky log handling. |
| 01:06 | @mikegrb> | well the truncating was mainly pointed towards other stuff |
| 01:07 | @mikegrb> | I know at one time it didn't work with apache |
| 02:13 | @guinea-sleep> | on debian, my logrotate has a postrotate stanza that runs /etc/init.d/apache reload |
| 02:13 | @mikegrb> | just reload not restart |
| 02:13 | @mikegrb> | so that shouldn't be a big deal |
| 02:14 | @guinea-sleep> | (much cleaner than it used to be, i might add. apache used to avoid logrotate like the plague) |
| 02:14 | @guinea-sleep> | i think a kill -1 would do it, too |
| 02:14 | @guinea-sleep> | apachectl reload |
| 02:14 | @guinea-sleep> | etc |
| 02:14 | @guinea-sleep> | i just don't like reload myself |
| 02:14 | @guinea-sleep> | knew a friend with a buggy apache mod that leaked everytime he reloaded |
| 02:15 | @guinea-sleep> | hehe |
| 02:15 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 03:05 | risto> | rheet |
| 03:38 | guinea-sleep | is now known as guinea-work |
| 03:49 | @adamg> | it is bested to use pipes with apache, apache comes with a log rotate progam based on pipes |
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| 06:11 | ant> | sighup linode avail |
| 06:11 | sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 25] [Linode 96: 0] [Linode 128: 16] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0] |
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| 08:40 | @caker> | morning |
| 09:01 | @guinea-work> | so it is, so it is |
| 09:01 | guinea-work | is now known as guinea-pig |
| 09:24 | @caker> | mmm coffee |
| 09:24 | @guinea-pig> | eww |
| 09:24 | @guinea-pig> | mmm chai |
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| 10:27 | @caker> | aww |
| 10:29 | @mikegrb> | morning caker |
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| 10:43 | @caker> | hello |
| 10:46 | @mikegrb> | distcc kicks ass |
| 10:46 | @adamg> | caker are you doing any development on the lpm over the next few weeks |
| 10:46 | @caker> | I will be, yeah |
| 10:47 | @adamg> | any chance of implementing a system that allows you to copy your drive images to another machines |
| 10:48 | @caker> | Like if you have two+ accts? |
| 10:48 | @caker> | I have been thinking about a nice little backup script that runs inside the Linode and can target another Linode or a remote Linux machine |
| 10:48 | @caker> | and can backup and restore |
| 10:48 | @adamg> | the remote linux machine is what I had in mind |
| 10:49 | @adamg> | after the problems with host 7 and 8, it would be nice |
| 10:49 | @caker> | Yeah .. I'll think about making it run via the LPM instead of inside the Linode |
| 10:49 | @adamg> | I know that dd was mentioned on the forums, but that is going to hit the IO very hard |
| 10:49 | @caker> | I think I have what caused those problems licked, tho |
| 10:49 | @adamg> | some sort of compressed image |
| 10:50 | @caker> | I was going to comment on sunny's post about inline ssh compression, along with piping it to [gb]zip |
| 10:51 | @adamg> | piping it to bizip2 would be better |
| 10:51 | @caker> | ya |
| 10:51 | @caker> | afk for a few |
| 10:58 | @adamg> | sighup linode forums |
| 10:58 | sighup> | adamg: Linux Networking: DNS and rest of the stuff ; Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials: Creating an offsite binary ... ; Linode.com Announcements: Host8 down for repair ; Sales Questions and Answers: Vertuozzo vs UML ; Feature Request/Bug Report: linode (running on host10) ... |
| 10:58 | @adamg> | can someone post to the dns thread saying that you registrar nameservers through the domain registrar usually, this strike person doesnt seem to belive me |
| 11:00 | @adamg> | biab |
| 11:00 | @adamg> | bbiab |
| 11:00 | @guinea-pig> | bbiabb |
| 11:02 | @mikegrb> | there you go adamg |
| 11:04 | @guinea-pig> | they call it an adamg, but i've never seen it ada |
| 11:07 | @caker> | bak |
| 11:43 | @adamg> | danke |
| 11:48 | @adamg> | host12 always seems to have a host load of medium |
| 11:49 | @adamg> | caker ping |
| 11:53 | @caker> | yeah, there's 4 Linodes who are spinning at full cpu |
| 11:54 | @caker> | I nice'ed them a little .. can you tell if they affect your performance at all? |
| 11:55 | @adamg> | at the momment things seem ok, although over the past few days I have noticed lags on ssh |
| 11:55 | @caker> | hrm .. it hasn't been i/o bound at all, and that's the only thing that seems to inflict lag |
| 11:56 | @adamg> | oh well |
| 11:57 | @adamg> | also in lpm for a debian install you have the debian image over the hd image, any change of the gentoo image for a gentoo install |
| 11:57 | @caker> | ahh yeah |
| 11:57 | @caker> | no photoshop on my laptop tho |
| 11:58 | @adamg> | just been petty |
| 12:03 | @adamg> | now im annoyed |
| 12:03 | @caker> | ? |
| 12:03 | @adamg> | gentoo and mysql |
| 12:04 | @adamg> | then again my just be a problem with the default conf file |
| 12:16 | @adamg> | this is good, I should be able to write a perl script that can set-up a linode gentoo deployment |
| 12:19 | @adamg> | get it to prompt me for set-up data, hostname, domain name, IP address etc |
| 12:22 | @mikegrb> | caker: I |
| 12:22 | @mikegrb> | er |
| 12:23 | @adamg> | caker those 4 hosts using max cpu any idea what they are running |
| 12:23 | @mikegrb> | caker: I'll resize a gentoo logo for you |
| 12:27 | @adamg> | looks like I am going to have to write my own ebuild for something that isnt in portage |
| 12:36 | @adamg> | bbiab |
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| 13:01 | @caker> | adamg: no, but doesn't look to me like they're hosed or anything... |
| 14:04 | @guinea-pig> | haha sneakums |
| 14:13 | @guinea-pig> | sighup: g7 gp |
| 14:13 | sighup> | #G7 stats for gp, the Emperor of New England -- 8/112 Current Level: 45 | Time to next level: 0 days, 09:50:00 | Status: online | Item Total: 411 | Total Time Idled: 37 days, 09:32:55 |
| 14:13 | @guinea-pig> | mmm |
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| 14:54 | @mikegrb> | howdy Griswald |
| 15:08 | Griswald> | heya mike |
| 15:08 | Griswald> | 'sup? |
| 15:09 | @mikegrb> | not much |
| 15:11 | Griswald> | pfft. :P |
| 15:11 | Griswald> | you know much about apache? |
| 15:11 | Griswald> | its been givin me hell lately =/ |
| 15:12 | @mikegrb> | some |
| 15:12 | Griswald> | pfft. |
| 15:13 | Griswald> | it's forwarding all vhosts to the same place the first vhost entry is set too |
| 15:13 | Griswald> | even though their all different locations, and different dirs on the system =/ |
| 15:13 | @mikegrb> | hmm |
| 15:13 | @mikegrb> | well the first one is used as the default if there isn't a match |
| 15:13 | Griswald> | My guess is I missed something I had to config.... |
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| 15:13 | @mikegrb> | so most likely something is happening so that it isn't matching the right one |
| 15:16 | @adamg> | Griswald post one of the vhosts that you ae having problems with |
| 15:16 | @mikegrb> | or the whole section somewhere? |
| 15:16 | @adamg> | depends how long it is |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | <VirtualHost ffxtreme.xeraweb.com> |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | ServerName ffxtreme.xeraweb.com |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | DocumentRoot /home/griswald/public_html/ |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | </VirtualHost> |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | <VirtualHost xeraweb.com> |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | ServerName xeraweb.com |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | DocumentRoot /home/griswald/public_htmlx/ |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | </VirtualHost> |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | they both get forwarded to the dir ffxtreme.xeraweb.com is set too |
| 15:18 | @mikegrb> | ahh |
| 15:18 | @mikegrb> | you may be missing a line |
| 15:18 | @mikegrb> | or just didn't paste it |
| 15:18 | @mikegrb> | one sec |
| 15:18 | Griswald> | nope |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | NameVirtualHost 64.62.190.57:80 |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | <VirtualHost 64.62.190.57:80> |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | ServerName thegrebs.com |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | ... |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | see the difference? |
| 15:19 | Griswald> | that's with ip's.... |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | the :80 isn't necessary |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | no that is with same ip |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | later I have |
| 15:19 | Griswald> | I may have forgotted to Name them. |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | <VirtualHost 64.62.190.57:80> |
| 15:19 | @mikegrb> | ServerName bes.thegrebs.com |
| 15:20 | Griswald> | ahhh |
| 15:20 | Griswald> | ok |
| 15:20 | Griswald> | yeah, I forgot to name them. |
| 15:20 | Griswald> | :) |
| 15:20 | @mikegrb> | you only have NameVitualHost once |
| 15:20 | @adamg> | NameVirtualHost 192.168.100.30:80 |
| 15:20 | @mikegrb> | that says you are going to use name based virtual hosts |
| 15:20 | @mikegrb> | + for that ip |
| 15:21 | Griswald> | :) |
| 15:21 | Griswald> | you don't necessarily need to use ip's for defining a vhost yeh know ;) |
| 15:21 | Griswald> | ok, that fixed it mike. Thanks :) |
| 15:22 | @mikegrb> | no pronlrm |
| 15:22 | @mikegrb> | er problem |
| 15:22 | Griswald> | that has been plaguing me for a long while. lol |
| 15:23 | Griswald> | linuxwolf got ticked in #mandrake and called me a geek for trying to solve it on x-mas eve and set #mandrake to +m |
| 15:23 | Griswald> | lol |
| 15:23 | @adamg> | childish |
| 15:24 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 15:24 | @mikegrb> | server stuff probably has better chance of getting answered in here |
| 15:25 | @adamg> | and we where here xmas day! |
| 15:26 | @mikegrb> | yup |
| 15:27 | @adamg> | /dev/ubd/0 1.4G 918M 403M 70% / |
| 15:27 | @adamg> | none 30M 0 30M 0% /dev/shm |
| 15:27 | @adamg> | starting to look bad |
| 15:28 | Griswald> | :P |
| 15:28 | Griswald> | I'm currently writing a prog that shows the usage stats of an account upon login :) |
| 15:28 | Griswald> | got it to show user quotas too :) |
| 15:29 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 15:29 | Griswald> | (modded copy of a prog called InAShell) |
| 15:29 | Griswald> | anyone interested in it when I get done? |
| 15:29 | @adamg> | dont use quotas |
| 15:29 | @mikegrb> | Griswald: I'd love to see it |
| 15:29 | Griswald> | you can remove that section from the login |
| 15:29 | Griswald> | it reads login.motd from /etc |
| 15:30 | Griswald> | in login.motd, there's variables like $quota$ |
| 15:30 | Griswald> | etc that you can add/remove |
| 15:30 | @adamg> | what else does it do |
| 15:30 | Griswald> | if it dosen't read that, it won't show that :) |
| 15:30 | @mikegrb> | spiffy |
| 15:30 | Griswald> | it just shows the user stats then tosses 'em into a shell |
| 15:30 | Griswald> | I have it set to show # of processes the user is running, last login, etc. |
| 15:30 | @adamg> | a general shell or a custom one |
| 15:31 | @mikegrb> | probably what ever you tell it to ;) |
| 15:31 | Griswald> | it's just a small custom one |
| 15:31 | Griswald> | that tosses them into sh after it's done |
| 15:32 | Griswald> | (dunno how to make it get the users current set shell to switch 'em into it) |
| 15:32 | @mikegrb> | from /etc/passwd ;) |
| 15:32 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 15:32 | @mikegrb> | or are you setting the shell in /etc/passwd to yours? |
| 15:32 | Griswald> | all it does is execute shell commands and outputs them into the place the variables are in login.motd |
| 15:32 | Griswald> | nah, it's forced to sh in this script for now |
| 15:32 | Griswald> | 90% of the people I know use sh anyway |
| 15:33 | @mikegrb> | aye |
| 15:33 | Griswald> | and it dosen't show unless they set their shell to this prog anyway |
| 15:33 | Griswald> | char *realname = execute ("grep `whoami` /etc/passwd | awk 'BEGIN{FS=\":\"}{print $5}'"); |
| 15:33 | Griswald> | etc |
| 15:33 | * | adamg uses bash and csh for scripting |
| 15:34 | @adamg> | will emerging to things at once break something |
| 15:35 | Griswald> | dunno, only tested this in mandrake |
| 15:35 | Griswald> | but since it's set as an actual shell (though it runs a diff shell) |
| 15:35 | Griswald> | it shouldn't at all |
| 15:35 | Griswald> | if you know C, it's easily modded to do what you like too |
| 15:36 | @mikegrb> | heh adamg |
| 15:36 | @mikegrb> | I think you are only supposed to do one at a time ;) |
| 15:36 | @mikegrb> | that is all I have ever done anyway |
| 15:36 | @adamg> | well that is just annoying |
| 15:36 | Griswald> | lol |
| 15:37 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 15:37 | @adamg> | time to go and find food bbiab |
| 15:37 | Griswald> | |- Last Login | $laston$ |
| 15:37 | Griswald> | |- Current Processes | $procs$ |
| 15:37 | Griswald> | |- System Date | $date$ |
| 15:37 | Griswald> | |- System Uptime | $uptime$ |
| 15:37 | Griswald> | |- Quota | $quota$ Blocks ( $quotaused$ Blocks Used ) |
| 15:37 | Griswald> | that's what mine currently shows. |
| 15:39 | Griswald> | it was originally called inashell, I just modified it and renamed it to amotd |
| 15:39 | Griswald> | though it still is inashell essentially :) |
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| 15:41 | Griswald> | http://www.xeraweb.com/amotd.tar.gz |
| 15:41 | Griswald> | lemme know when you snag it so I can remove it :) |
| 15:42 | @mikegrb> | Griswald: just did :) |
| 15:42 | Griswald> | =] |
| 15:45 | Griswald> | hrm.... maybe I should rewrite and make it toss you into bash.... |
| 15:47 | Griswald> | 'cha think? |
| 15:50 | @mikegrb> | maybe |
| 15:50 | @mikegrb> | I haven't had a chance to play with it yet |
| 15:50 | Griswald> | hehehehe |
| 15:50 | Griswald> | all you gotta do is remove the quota line from login.motd and it'll work on your system ;p |
| 15:51 | @mikegrb> | yup |
| 15:51 | @mikegrb> | jkust got too much stuff going on at once ;) |
| 15:51 | Griswald> | lol |
| 15:51 | Griswald> | yeah, I hear that |
| 15:51 | Griswald> | I dropped all I'm doin so my customers can see what their usin and if they are in their alotted spaces allowed for what they have |
| 15:52 | @mikegrb> | aye |
| 16:26 | @caker> | mmm vnc to my main pc 1000 miles away :) |
| 16:31 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 16:31 | @mikegrb> | ssh should be able to handle anything you need |
| 16:31 | @mikegrb> | if you are a true admin ;) |
| 16:35 | Griswald> | lol |
| 16:35 | Griswald> | but vnc gives GUI! :D |
| 16:36 | Griswald> | gotta love gooey's |
| 16:52 | @caker> | not when its a windoz box |
| 17:17 | Griswald> | heh. |
| 17:17 | Griswald> | it's winbloze |
| 17:17 | Griswald> | get it right. |
| 17:17 | Griswald> | winbloze 95, 98, 2000, winbloze ME, and winbloze XP |
| 17:17 | Griswald> | now, there's winbloze .net |
| 17:43 | @caker> | internet exploder? |
| 17:44 | Griswald> | yup |
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| 17:51 | U> | caker: have a question about going from 64 to 128, let me know when you're back :) |
| 17:51 | @caker> | hello U |
| 17:51 | U> | Hey |
| 17:51 | U> | I wanted to see how difficult it would be to go from a 64-128 |
| 17:51 | Griswald> | sighup: linode avail |
| 17:51 | @caker> | Which host are you on now? |
| 17:51 | sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 24] [Linode 96: 0] [Linode 128: 16] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0] |
| 17:52 | U> | uhhh one sec...host12 I think |
| 17:52 | U> | yeah, host 12 |
| 17:52 | @caker> | It would be very simple... would require you to shutdown, click a button in the LPM, and then reboot on host13 and you'd be done... |
| 17:52 | @caker> | IPs, disk images, configs, etc would come with you |
| 17:53 | U> | Ok, how long is the downtime? Just wondering, I run a irc network hub/services off it, and some websites |
| 17:53 | @caker> | hmm .. 2gb disk image through 100 mbit network .. I'd say maybe 5-15 minutes |
| 17:53 | U> | Ok, sounds easy enough to me |
| 17:53 | U> | plus I have to go to dinner in a hour, so thats within my timeframe |
| 17:54 | @caker> | You'd probably also want to resize after the migration, too |
| 17:54 | U> | what info do you need from me? |
| 17:54 | U> | right, with more space I would probably |
| 17:54 | @caker> | What's your username and I'll set it up |
| 17:54 | U> | unit649 |
| 17:55 | @caker> | Ok, its setup .. if you logout and back into the LPM you should see the migration... Don't resize until after you migrate... That's it! :) |
| 17:55 | U> | Ok, and everything is the same, etc |
| 17:55 | @caker> | Yup |
| 17:55 | U> | if I need another IP, I should just order it via the LPM right? |
| 17:56 | @caker> | yeah, there's still the lame bug where you have to click Save on your config profile (and reboot) before it'lll work |
| 17:56 | U> | Okay |
| 17:56 | @caker> | (after you buy it) |
| 17:56 | @adamg> | is that bug going away anytime soon |
| 17:56 | * | caker runs |
| 17:56 | @caker> | yes |
| 18:01 | U> | Ok, so I have to boot it, get the IP |
| 18:01 | U> | then reboot it? |
| 18:01 | Griswald> | the ip transfers with it |
| 18:01 | U> | I mean if I want to get another |
| 18:02 | @caker> | nah, do the migration, purchase the IP, save config profile, and then boot |
| 18:02 | Griswald> | :) |
| 18:02 | U> | ok cool |
| 18:02 | @adamg> | if you want to get another you have to buy it then reboot the linode |
| 18:02 | @caker> | You can purchase the IP while the migration is going on |
| 18:02 | U> | ok, cool |
| 18:03 | U> | and does it go on my next bill, or is it instantly debited? |
| 18:04 | @adamg> | you will be prorated for the amount this billing period |
| 18:04 | @adamg> | same with the upgrade |
| 18:04 | U> | Ok, so no charge to the cc till the first |
| 18:04 | @adamg> | no you will be billed the day of purchase for the remaining days left in the billing period |
| 18:05 | @caker> | You'll be charged a few pennies and $1.00 now for the IP but that's paid through end of Jan |
| 18:05 | U> | Ok |
| 18:05 | U> | better make sure my checking account can handle that first :) |
| 18:05 | @caker> | and since its so close to the end of the month, you'll jsut start paying for the 128 on the 1st |
| 18:05 | U> | ok |
| 18:05 | @caker> | merry xmas :) |
| 18:05 | U> | hehe |
| 18:06 | U> | yeah, I just don't want to screw up my checking account, better check with the warden before I order the IP then lol |
| 18:06 | @caker> | I wonder who that would be :) |
| 18:06 | U> | I can always reboot it later if I can't do it now |
| 18:06 | U> | yeah, take a wild guess |
| 18:06 | U> | hehe |
| 18:06 | U> | since she found out the other change won't happen or be due till the first she approved that lol |
| 18:07 | U> | Glad I checked....I'll do the IP on monday when her check hits the account |
| 18:07 | @caker> | 1.4gb copied so far, btw |
| 18:07 | U> | I could have gotten myself in trouble lol |
| 18:08 | U> | cool |
| 18:08 | U> | "wait till monday!" she yells. Aye aye, captain. at least I got to get the bigger linode lol |
| 18:08 | U> | I better not push my luck right now |
| 18:08 | U> | thats a pretty quick copy |
| 18:11 | U> | should I up the swap from 256, or is that sufficent? |
| 18:11 | @caker> | I'd say 256 is min, but good ... |
| 18:11 | U> | so it wouldn't hurt to increase it a tad? |
| 18:12 | U> | like maybe to 384? |
| 18:12 | @caker> | either way .. |
| 18:12 | U> | Ok |
| 18:14 | U> | well, that was painless enough :) |
| 18:14 | U> | thanks, caker :) |
| 18:15 | @caker> | thank you :) |
| 18:15 | U> | you're quite welcome :) |
| 18:15 | = | U [UnitSixFor@adsl-67-117-226-209.dsl.sktn01.pacbell.net] quit (Quit: and I'm out :)) |
| 18:42 | navs> | are we able to compile our own kernels? |
| 18:43 | @adamg> | no |
| 18:43 | @adamg> | although there should be no real reason why you would need to |
| 18:43 | @adamg> | but that does remind me |
| 18:43 | @adamg> | sighup ping caker |
| 18:43 | sighup> | caker: ping! ping! ping! |
| 18:43 | sighup> | caker was last seen on #linode 28 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: thank you :) [1072566913] |
| 18:43 | navs> | i wanted a grsec patched kernel |
| 18:44 | @adamg> | if you ask it may be added into the kernel |
| 18:44 | navs> | well i dont want to bother them for something like that |
| 18:45 | @adamg> | why not? |
| 18:45 | @adamg> | the kernels are rebuilt every month or so |
| 18:45 | navs> | they said we're not allowed to build our own? |
| 18:45 | @adamg> | your not, but caker has also said he may be willing to add things into the kernels |
| 18:45 | * | adamg needs to ask caker about an salinux kerne; |
| 18:46 | @adamg> | kernel even |
| 18:46 | navs> | k |
| 18:47 | @adamg> | post on the forum, submitt a ticket or wait for caker to appear here and ask |
| 18:51 | @adamg> | yay my ebuild works |
| 19:02 | @adamg> | and submitted to gentoo for submission in portage, or I hope anyway |
| 19:04 | Griswald> | :D |
| 19:04 | Griswald> | hey adam, you wanna try that login code? |
| 19:04 | @adamg> | not at the momment, building stuff at the mo |
| 19:04 | Griswald> | :) |
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| 19:52 | You_Wish> | anybody free for questions about xchat |
| 20:04 | @adamg> | sighup ping mikegrb |
| 20:04 | sighup> | mikegrb: ping! ping! ping! |
| 20:04 | sighup> | mikegrb was last seen on #orion 3 hours, 32 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: bye! [1072560746] |
| 20:04 | @adamg> | sighup netping adamg |
| 20:05 | sighup> | PING adamg.thegrebs.com (64.62.190.57) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 20:05 | sighup> | 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4498ms |
| 20:05 | sighup> | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.116/0.167/0.256/0.048 ms |
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| 20:39 | sneaksby | is now known as sneakums |
| 20:39 | @adamg> | hi sneakums |
| 20:39 | sneakums> | word |
| 20:43 | You_Wish> | anybody free for questions about xchat |
| 21:00 | @adamg> | has gentoo always split up the apache conf files into several seperate files? |
| 21:07 | You_Wish> | dont know |
| 21:08 | @mikegrb> | adamg: yes, other dists do it too |
| 21:08 | @mikegrb> | You_Wish: what is your question? |
| 21:08 | @mikegrb> | adamg: I prefer it that way but of course you don't have to |
| 21:08 | You_Wish> | [ircd@Slick web][ircd@Slick web]$ xchat |
| 21:08 | You_Wish> | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 21:08 | You_Wish> | [ircd@Slick web][ircd@Slick web]$ |
| 21:09 | You_Wish> | is it possible to even run xchat on our linode |
| 21:09 | @mikegrb> | you running linux locally? |
| 21:09 | You_Wish> | on linode i am |
| 21:10 | You_Wish> | i dont think linode would be consider local so i am not |
| 21:10 | @adamg> | mikegrb just never seen it split up that way, I guess it does make things clearer the only things I have seperate is SSL but I think |
| 21:10 | @adamg> | mikegrb i re-write my conf files to the gentoo way |
| 21:11 | You_Wish> | I am connecting remotely to linode |
| 21:11 | @mikegrb> | yeah I like the split method |
| 21:11 | @mikegrb> | You_Wish: hmm |
| 21:11 | @mikegrb> | You_Wish: you need an xserver locally then |
| 21:11 | You_Wish> | i want to use xchat out of linode |
| 21:11 | @mikegrb> | or vnc or some such |
| 21:11 | @mikegrb> | xchat is graphical only |
| 21:11 | sneakums> | there's a text-mode xchat also |
| 21:11 | You_Wish> | do you know how to pull the text up |
| 21:12 | sneakums> | the debian package is xchat-text |
| 21:12 | @adamg> | mikegrb I did find my all in one thing rather confusing to follow. I will work though there files and update them to my needs etc |
| 21:12 | @adamg> | that is once this build finished, so probably tomorrow |
| 21:13 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 21:14 | Artifex> | hey |
| 21:15 | Artifex> | any way to make dd show its progress as it goes? |
| 21:15 | @adamg> | if my ebuild gets accepted into portage it means everything I need will be in portage |
| 21:17 | @adamg> | Artifex I dont think so |
| 21:17 | You_Wish> | --display=DISPLAY X display to use |
| 21:17 | You_Wish> | --sync Make X calls synchronous |
| 21:17 | You_Wish> | --no-xshm Don't use X shared memory extension |
| 21:17 | You_Wish> | --name=NAME Program name as used by the window manager |
| 21:17 | You_Wish> | --class=CLASS Program class as used by the window manager |
| 21:17 | @adamg> | Artifex you could always look at the size of the outpu file to see how big it is |
| 21:17 | You_Wish> | is there anything there that can be changed to text that you can see |
| 21:18 | Artifex> | of=/dev/hdb :-/ |
| 21:18 | You_Wish> | i tried using --display=text |
| 21:18 | sneakums> | vmstat N, where N is a delay in seconds, should give you an idea of the I/O your system is doing |
| 21:18 | You_Wish> | i tried using --text=text |
| 21:18 | * | Artifex wanders off |
| 21:18 | sneakums> | You_Wish: --display is the *X* display to use |
| 21:18 | sneakums> | text-mode xchat is usually a different prgram entirely, i think |
| 21:19 | sneakums> | i just use irssi, myself |
| 21:19 | You_Wish> | let me see if i got that |
| 21:19 | sneakums> | what distribution are you running? |
| 21:19 | sneakums> | on the linode |
| 21:19 | You_Wish> | rh8 |
| 21:19 | sneakums> | ah |
| 21:20 | sneakums> | i have no idea if they even provie xchat-text |
| 21:20 | sneakums> | they may well bot |
| 21:20 | sneakums> | not |
| 21:20 | You_Wish> | chat works on it |
| 21:20 | You_Wish> | correction |
| 21:20 | You_Wish> | irc works |
| 21:20 | @adamg> | http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/conectiva/9/cd2/conectiva/RPMS.002/xchat-text-2.0.1-27692cl.i386.html |
| 21:20 | You_Wish> | k |
| 21:20 | You_Wish> | thaks |
| 21:22 | @mikegrb> | |
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| 22:04 | U> | caker you here? |
| 22:05 | @adamg> | sighup ping caker |
| 22:05 | sighup> | caker: ping! ping! ping! |
| 22:05 | sighup> | caker was last seen on #linode 3 hours, 50 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: thank you :) [1072566913] |
| 22:05 | U> | that answers my question then |
| 22:05 | @adamg> | last seen speaking to you |
| 22:05 | U> | anyone know why a new IP wouldn't be connectable from the outside? |
| 22:05 | U> | connects out ok, but won't take connects |
| 22:07 | @adamg> | did you re-save your config profile |
| 22:07 | U> | I believe I did |
| 22:07 | U> | the new IP is showing on the account now |
| 22:08 | @adamg> | it may be a routing problem, log a support ticket |
| 22:08 | U> | ok |
| 22:08 | U> | Oh wait, I see what you mean now |
| 22:08 | U> | lets see if that works |
| 22:08 | @mikegrb> | then a reboot |
| 22:08 | @adamg> | it is one of the bugs |
| 22:09 | @mikegrb> | yeah just view the profile and hit save |
| 22:09 | U> | oh, save then reboot? |
| 22:09 | @adamg> | yeah |
| 22:09 | @mikegrb> | with out changing even then reboot |
| 22:09 | U> | ok, so I saved, now I have to reboot |
| 22:09 | U> | ok |
| 22:11 | U> | I'll let you know in about 20 seconds, its rebooting now |
| 22:13 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 22:13 | * | mikegrb crosses fingers and sprinkles some pixie dust on U's linode |
| 22:14 | @adamg> | nite all |
| 22:14 | @mikegrb> | 'nite adamg |
| 22:15 | U> | bingo |
| 22:15 | U> | thank you gentlemen, that was it |
| 22:15 | @adamg> | np |
| 22:15 | U> | :) |
| 22:15 | U> | have a good one, both of you :) |
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| 22:23 | You_Wish> | wow there are alot of people using webmin |
| 22:23 | @mikegrb> | it is rather popular I think |
| 22:26 | You_Wish> | i didnt know i could detect others on our network |
| 22:26 | You_Wish> | i about paniced |
| 22:26 | You_Wish> | i thought i just gave them access to my webmin |
| 22:33 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 22:35 | You_Wish> | do you use it |
| 22:35 | @mikegrb> | nope |
| 22:36 | @mikegrb> | ssh does it for me |
| 22:36 | You_Wish> | i actually had to delete them out of my webadmin list of all the other peoples who is it |
| 22:36 | You_Wish> | some how it scanned everybody on the network who has it and and add them to my list |
| 22:37 | You_Wish> | like it was trying to add them as a cluster |
| 22:38 | You_Wish> | when i clicked on their link it took me to there login |
| 23:12 | @mikegrb> | sighup: linode availability |
| 23:12 | sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 23] [Linode 96: 0] [Linode 128: 15] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0] |
| 23:12 | @mikegrb> | sighup: linode forums |
| 23:12 | sighup> | mikegrb: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials: Creating an offsite binary ... ; Linux Networking: DNS and rest of the stuff ; Linode.com Announcements: Host8 down for repair ; Sales Questions and Answers: Vertuozzo vs UML ; Feature Request/Bug Report: linode (running on host10) ... |
| 23:36 | You_Wish> | when was the last time one of these became free Linode 256: 0 |
| 23:37 | guinea-beantown | is now known as guinea-pig |
| 23:37 | @caker> | boo |
| 23:38 | * | guinea-pig screams like homer |
| 23:38 | * | mikegrb runs |
| 23:38 | guinea-pig | is now known as guinea-sleep |
| 23:38 | @mikegrb> | You_Wish: I believe that is a by request type of thing |
| 23:38 | @mikegrb> | guinea-sleep: night :) |
| 23:38 | You_Wish> | hmm |
| 23:38 | @mikegrb> | caker: um I have reached geek nirvana |
| 23:38 | @mikegrb> | caker: http |
| 23:38 | @mikegrb> | er |
| 23:38 | @mikegrb> | caker: http://home.thegrebs.com/deskc.jpg |
| 23:39 | @mikegrb> | I talked heidi into moving the recliner to in front of the desk |
| 23:39 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 23:39 | @mikegrb> | is very nice |
| 23:39 | @caker> | wtf is jabberd ? |
| 23:39 | @mikegrb> | jabberd? |
| 23:39 | @mikegrb> | oh |
| 23:39 | @caker> | jabber-deamon |
| 23:39 | @mikegrb> | jabberd |
| 23:39 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 23:39 | @mikegrb> | yes |
| 23:39 | @mikegrb> | im type stuff |
| 23:40 | @caker> | this is what's running inside a Linode on host7 that does the swap-and-spin .. causing disk i/o contention |
| 23:40 | @mikegrb> | ahh |
| 23:40 | @mikegrb> | yeah jabber is a im protocol like aim or yahoo instant messangwer but you can run your own server |
| 23:40 | @caker> | hrm |
| 23:40 | @mikegrb> | so it is used in corporate places that want im but don't want someting like aim |
| 23:41 | @caker> | I need to code a throttle into Linux's vm/swap |
| 23:41 | @guinea-sleep> | and it can gate other protocols, as well |
| 23:41 | @mikegrb> | tis oss |
| 23:41 | @mikegrb> | I would imagine the daemon is misconfiggured |
| 23:41 | @mikegrb> | or the linode |
| 23:41 | @guinea-sleep> | or the user |
| 23:41 | @caker> | or memory leak |
| 23:41 | @mikegrb> | don't see something like that taking so much ram |
| 23:41 | @mikegrb> | yeah |
| 23:41 | @mikegrb> | perhaps |
| 23:41 | @mikegrb> | jabber is rather established |
| 23:42 | @mikegrb> | how much swap do they have? |
| 23:42 | @caker> | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu---- |
| 23:42 | @caker> | r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa |
| 23:42 | @caker> | 1 0 86488 1072 176 1416 324 111 408 114 115 380 8 3 89 0 |
| 23:42 | @caker> | 1 0 86524 1604 148 1208 25204 912 25500 964 6675 3820 37 0 63 0 |
| 23:42 | @caker> | 0 0 86524 1288 148 1188 25756 684 25756 684 6669 3802 2 2 96 0 |
| 23:42 | @caker> | 1 0 86524 1484 148 1188 31772 828 31772 828 8209 4821 0 0 100 0 |
| 23:42 | @caker> | 1 0 86520 1420 116 432 44580 1744 44928 1748 11737 6939 0 0 100 0 |
| 23:42 | @caker> | 1 0 86524 1460 128 616 29000 1004 29976 1004 7798 4456 26 0 74 0 |
| 23:42 | @caker> | 0 0 86524 1044 128 624 37352 1024 37384 1024 9658 5401 2 0 98 0 |
| 23:42 | @guinea-sleep> | eek |
| 23:42 | @mikegrb> | 86m of swap used? |
| 23:42 | @caker> | enough.. but I've realized that to a certain point, it doesn't matter how much swap you have |
| 23:42 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 23:42 | @caker> | if it just keeps swapping in and out 30 megs, it'll cause the i/o probs |
| 23:42 | @mikegrb> | right |
| 23:43 | @mikegrb> | it needs the ram |
| 23:43 | @caker> | hrm |
| 23:43 | @mikegrb> | seems odd |
| 23:43 | @mikegrb> | maybe they are logging everything to mysql |
| 23:43 | @guinea-sleep> | i bet it's a redhat installation that has every known daemon in the world running |
| 23:43 | @caker> | it does this every other day or so |
| 23:43 | @mikegrb> | or something strange |
| 23:43 | @mikegrb> | guinea-pig++ |
| 23:43 | @mikegrb> | good guess |
| 23:43 | @caker> | guinea-sleep: actually. no -- a gentoo system |
| 23:43 | @guinea-sleep> | people should seriously think about recompiling distros for lowmem |
| 23:43 | @guinea-sleep> | aha |
| 23:43 | @mikegrb> | oh |
| 23:43 | @caker> | apache, zope, and jabberd |
| 23:44 | @mikegrb> | zope |
| 23:44 | @mikegrb> | ack |
| 23:44 | @mikegrb> | on a linode |
| 23:44 | @guinea-sleep> | oh |
| 23:44 | @mikegrb> | that thing eats ram like I drink water |
| 23:44 | @guinea-sleep> | was that the person who said he read zope needs 256M, but if he has a minimal setup, could he run it on a linode 64? |
| 23:44 | @caker> | zope is uning 11megs |
| 23:44 | @guinea-sleep> | or something like that |
| 23:44 | @mikegrb> | oh |
| 23:44 | @mikegrb> | odd |
| 23:44 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 23:45 | You_Wish> | i has zope on windows |
| 23:45 | @mikegrb> | can you tell what the two things swapping back and forth are? |
| 23:45 | * | caker restarts the offending Linode |
| 23:45 | @mikegrb> | 11m isn't too bad |
| 23:45 | @caker> | prob zope (python) and jabberd |
| 23:45 | @guinea-sleep> | oh python |
| 23:46 | @caker> | I'd love to code a throttle onto swapin routine |
| 23:46 | @caker> | vm stuff is hairy |
| 23:46 | @guinea-sleep> | fwiw psyco is an excellent python accellerator |
| 23:46 | @guinea-sleep> | s/excellent// |
| 23:46 | @guinea-sleep> | (only one i know of :P) |
| 23:47 | @mikegrb> | zope is written in python |
| 23:47 | jrm> | usually jabberd will use at most 50 megs of RAM and 20% of an adequately-sized CPU |
| 23:47 | @guinea-sleep> | we got that already, mike |
| 23:47 | jrm> | according to their docs |
| 23:47 | @mikegrb> | oh heh okay |
| 23:47 | @mikegrb> | :p |
| 23:47 | @guinea-sleep> | jrm: wow |
| 23:47 | @mikegrb> | 50 mb seems like a lot for what it is |
| 23:47 | @mikegrb> | I wonder what they are using it for |
| 23:48 | @mikegrb> | guinea-sleep: can the server bridge protocols or do the clients do it? |
| 23:48 | @guinea-sleep> | mikegrb: dunno. i don't use jabber :p |
| 23:48 | @mikegrb> | heh me neither |
| 23:48 | @caker> | mikegrb: i dont see an xbox in that photo :) |
| 23:49 | @mikegrb> | caker the xbox is behind me |
| 23:49 | @mikegrb> | behind me is the 46" widescreen hdtv |
| 23:49 | @mikegrb> | the little 9" is only there so I don't have to turn around |
| 23:49 | @caker> | and I see your wife who sits feet from you, yet whom you chat with on irc |
| 23:49 | @mikegrb> | it is actually fed from a video out on the HDTV |
| 23:49 | @mikegrb> | heh well it works better that way |
| 23:49 | @mikegrb> | I have it in writing |
| 23:50 | @caker> | lol |
| 23:50 | @mikegrb> | and generally other people are in on discussions |
| 23:50 | @mikegrb> | so they would have an incomplete picture if I spoke to her with voice :) |
| 23:50 | @guinea-sleep> | the server does it, apparantly |
| 23:50 | @mikegrb> | but yeah that little 9" matches the picture on the hdtv behind me |
| 23:50 | @mikegrb> | so I just leave the little tv's sound off |
| 23:52 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 23:52 | @mikegrb> | looks like jabber does support sql |
| 23:52 | @mikegrb> | also email <-> jabber |
| 23:52 | @mikegrb> | file transfers, sms |
| 23:52 | @mikegrb> | group chat |
| 23:54 | @mikegrb> | caker: is the host ath.cx by any chance? |
| 23:54 | @mikegrb> | sighup: dns ath.cx |
| 23:54 | sighup> | mikegrb: ath.cx is 63.208.196.110 |
| 23:56 | @mikegrb> | sighup: dns oracle.sweeney.ath.cx |
| 23:56 | sighup> | mikegrb: oracle.sweeney.ath.cx is 64.216.124.183 |
| 23:57 | @mikegrb> | oh hmm |
| 23:57 | @mikegrb> | that is a dhcp block for sbc |
| 23:58 | @mikegrb> | was just looking at the list of public jabber servers and that one said it was in tx |
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