| --- | Log | opened Thu Dec 18 00:00:28 2003 |
| 00:16 | EFudd> | http://audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=97341 |
| 00:17 | tjfontaine> | wtf kind of disater waiting to happen is that? |
| 00:17 | EFudd> | foobar root # emerge -pv nvidia-kernel |
| 00:17 | EFudd> | |
| 00:17 | EFudd> | These are the packages that I would merge, in order: |
| 00:17 | EFudd> | |
| 00:17 | EFudd> | Calculating dependencies ...done! |
| 00:17 | EFudd> | [ebuild N ][ebuild N ] sys-kernel/development-sources-2.6.0_beta11 |
| 00:17 | EFudd> | [ebuild R ][ebuild R ] media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496-r3 |
| 00:17 | EFudd> | uh |
| 00:17 | EFudd> | that pisses me off. |
| 00:17 | tjfontaine> | http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1804 :-) |
| 00:18 | EFudd> | oic. |
| 00:22 | EFudd> | >>> Injected sys-kernel/development-sources-2.6.0_beta11. |
| 00:25 | * | caker is about to submit his first patch into UML :) |
| 00:26 | EFudd> | this is bugsome. |
| 00:26 | @caker> | I think I've got 7um working now |
| 00:26 | EFudd> | >>> Safely unmerging already-installed instance... |
| 00:26 | EFudd> | <<< obj /lib/modules/2.4.22_pre2-gss/video/nvidia.o |
| 00:26 | EFudd> | fucker just removed my current nvidia module. |
| 00:26 | * | EFudd reboots and hopes 2.6.0 works :-) |
| 00:29 | @caker> | (none):~# time sleep 100 |
| 00:29 | @caker> | real 1m39.999s |
| 00:29 | @caker> | user 0m0.000s |
| 00:29 | @caker> | sys 0m0.000s |
| 00:29 | * | caker snickers |
| 00:30 | @mikegrb> | so you have it working? |
| 00:30 | @caker> | yeah |
| 00:30 | tjfontaine> | wah happened? |
| 00:30 | @mikegrb> | this is the latest changes? |
| 00:30 | @mikegrb> | fixes uptime? |
| 00:30 | @caker> | my machines must be faster than Jeff's and others, since host_hz was overflowing as an int |
| 00:31 | @caker> | actually, it required an unsigned long long |
| 00:31 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 00:31 | @mikegrb> | linode++ caker++ |
| 00:31 | @caker> | host_hz became a negative number, and all it sat there doing was delivering signals |
| 00:31 | @caker> | since there was no delay |
| 00:31 | tjfontaine> | caker++ linode++ uml++ |
| 00:32 | @mikegrb> | so when can I reboot? |
| 00:32 | * | caker prepares to be flamed via uml-devel :) |
| 00:32 | @caker> | I don't have a good feel for host correct this is, so let me see what those guys say |
| 00:32 | @caker> | (since I'm no kernel guy) |
| 00:32 | @caker> | s/host/how/ |
| 00:33 | EFudd> | Well this kinda sucks. |
| 00:33 | * | EFudd looks at a 2.6.0 box off the network |
| 00:38 | EFudd> | well only sound and the ability to open a terminal under X appears broke after booting 2.6.0 :P |
| 00:39 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 00:40 | EFudd> | kinda confusing as to why i can't open a gnome-terminal. |
| 00:43 | EFudd> | "not enough ptys" |
| 00:43 | @caker> | max ptys in config? |
| 00:44 | EFudd> | verifying. |
| 00:44 | @caker> | ok, I'm an idiot -- how do I diff two files to produce - and + lines, etc ? |
| 00:44 | EFudd> | actually, i never learned that syntax ;) |
| 00:45 | EFudd> | rcsdiff -r1.1 -r1.2 :P |
| 00:46 | sjansen> | diff -u |
| 00:46 | EFudd> | mm.. i've got 256 unix98 pty's configured..... |
| 00:46 | @caker> | sjansen: thanks |
| 00:46 | @caker> | EFudd: is devfs mounting then? and all it's goodness in /dev/pty/whatever ? |
| 00:46 | EFudd> | yer ahead of me.. :-) I'm running strace :P |
| 00:47 | EFudd> | yeah. devfs didn't load or sompn |
| 00:47 | EFudd> | or well, /something/ is on dev, but perhaps devfsd is futzed |
| 00:49 | EFudd> | yeah. xterm is looking for /dev/pty/N, and i apparently have /dev/ptyXX's galore. |
| 00:49 | @caker> | devfs didn't mount then |
| 00:50 | @caker> | I've noticed gentoo has a devfs daemon |
| 00:50 | EFudd> | df -ak shows none 0 0 /dev |
| 00:50 | EFudd> | and devfsd is running with /dev as arg |
| 00:50 | EFudd> | (this is my first 2.6 kernel.. prolly sompn stupid here) |
| 00:50 | @caker> | there's a config for devfsd somewhere that maps everything |
| 00:51 | * | caker shoots in the dark |
| 00:51 | EFudd> | yah /etc/devfsd.conf |
| 00:51 | EFudd> | gnome-terminal, unfortunately, doesn't generate a useful error from console. |
| 00:51 | EFudd> | so i'm unsure if i'm troubleshooting something xterm specific or not. |
| 00:53 | EFudd> | I think i found my fault. |
| 00:56 | EFudd> | What is /sys tho? |
| 00:56 | EFudd> | pseudo-proc ? |
| 00:56 | @caker> | something new |
| 00:57 | EFudd> | oic :p |
| 00:59 | @caker> | useful response, huh? .... |
| 01:00 | * | EFudd nods |
| 01:01 | @mikegrb> | yes |
| 01:01 | @mikegrb> | similiar |
| 01:01 | @mikegrb> | slightly different purpose |
| 01:02 | Sh8d0w> | mikegrb: where can I find more info about the "command=" inside a rsa public key? |
| 01:03 | @mikegrb> | maybe ssh/sshd man page |
| 01:03 | @mikegrb> | that specifies that someone using that key is only permited to run that command |
| 01:04 | EFudd> | example used in the ORA SSH book is as follows: |
| 01:05 | EFudd> | You are on vacation but need to give someone access to your email, say your secretary. You can allow her access to just your mail reader. |
| 01:06 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 01:06 | EFudd> | mmm there is some scheduling funkiness (or tuning i need to do) in 2.6.0.... |
| 01:06 | @mikegrb> | so long as that program doesn't have a shell command |
| 01:06 | EFudd> | my mouse is now uber-sensitive and I just had ~15 second time delay on a login auth |
| 01:06 | EFudd> | mike, well, yeah. but that was beyond the text scope. |
| 01:07 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 01:07 | Sh8d0w> | hmm, so it seems command has to be static, can I add options later? |
| 01:07 | @caker> | Efudd: they say that X used to make stuff -nice, but now it should be 0 like everything else |
| 01:08 | EFudd> | Well, hrm. audio is futzed now. Wonder what option in alssamixer controls volume now :P |
| 01:08 | EFudd> | Another strange thing. under lsmod, the used-by colume is "-" for everything. That seems odd/broked. |
| 01:08 | @caker> | EFudd: I don't think old modprobe stuff works under 2.6 anymore .. forget the new package name |
| 01:09 | EFudd> | module-init-tools I think. |
| 01:10 | * | EFudd farts on emu10k1 |
| 01:12 | EFudd> | my sata disk is now ~10MB/sec slower.... |
| 01:15 | EFudd> | my e1000 will not link in FD using the 2.6.0 driver.... |
| 01:15 | EFudd> | Wheee.... This is like a M$ upgrade. |
| 01:15 | EFudd> | (even forced.. it will refuse to link forced.) |
| 01:17 | EFudd> | scroll mouse now longer functions under X. |
| 01:18 | EFudd> | s/now/no/ |
| 01:18 | EFudd> | althou that occurance is odd. |
| 01:20 | * | EFudd pulls out comb and goes over his kernel config again |
| 01:23 | = | sjansen [~sjansen@128.187.247.51] quit (Quit: Goodbye cruel world.) |
| 01:23 | @mikegrb> | if you emerge a 2.6 kernel or emerge -p you can see the dependencies |
| 01:24 | EFudd> | all met. |
| 01:24 | @mikegrb> | but I think module-init-tools is right |
| 01:24 | @mikegrb> | ahh |
| 01:24 | @mikegrb> | I've been very pleased with 2.6 on my laptop |
| 01:24 | inkblot> | module-init-tools is right in debian |
| 01:24 | EFudd> | yeah, I'm sure i've just got osmething misconfigured. |
| 01:24 | inkblot> | i have no idea what those other ones call it |
| 01:25 | inkblot> | EFudd, did you compile support for removing modules after they've been inserted? |
| 01:25 | @mikegrb> | $100 to he who kills a netop :) |
| 01:25 | * | mikegrb is next in line |
| 01:25 | @mikegrb> | tee-hee |
| 01:25 | EFudd> | mouse is proably me. disk is probably that i'm running in 'legacy ide' mode in bios due to 2.4.x's lack of valid sata |
| 01:25 | inkblot> | because if you didn't, then the kernel doesn't need to keep track |
| 01:25 | EFudd> | the e1000 is questionable... probably driver bug. |
| 01:25 | EFudd> | I didn't. |
| 01:25 | inkblot> | and so it would make sense if it didn't keep track |
| 01:25 | inkblot> | and it would make sense for lsmod to report that as a - |
| 01:26 | EFudd> | my e1k never auto-neg'd FD, I always had to force it.... |
| 01:26 | EFudd> | ink, ah.. 'twould make sense |
| 01:26 | @caker> | Efudd: my experience with the past few test* of 2.6 and e1000 have been solid |
| 01:26 | EFudd> | okee.... |
| 01:26 | @caker> | EFudd |
| 01:26 | @caker> | Efudd: non-module, tho |
| 01:26 | EFudd> | yeah, same. |
| 01:26 | inkblot> | [inkblot@sausage:~][inkblot@sausage:~]$ uptime |
| 01:26 | inkblot> | 00:26:31 up 16 days, 1:24, 4 users, load average: 0.36, 0.26, 0.26 |
| 01:26 | inkblot> | [inkblot@sausage:~][inkblot@sausage:~]$ uname -a |
| 01:26 | inkblot> | Linux sausage 2.6.0-test9-sausage #1 Mon Nov 17 05:23:06 CST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:26 | EFudd> | i really don't believe in modules generally. |
| 01:26 | inkblot> | ^-- 'tis a laptop |
| 01:27 | EFudd> | think i just fixed the sata issue.... |
| 01:27 | inkblot> | i've got some crazybad pcmcia bridge though |
| 01:27 | * | mikegrb still has test6 on laptop |
| 01:27 | @caker> | heh .. how soon do you think before we see 4.3Ghz processors? |
| 01:27 | @mikegrb> | not long |
| 01:27 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 01:27 | @caker> | unsigned int won't cut it then, will it ... |
| 01:27 | @mikegrb> | read an article where a guy overclocked one to 4.6 |
| 01:27 | @caker> | hrm.. overclocked Linodes |
| 01:28 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 01:29 | EFudd> | Use Rx Polling (NAPI) <- any idea here? |
| 01:29 | EFudd> | suboption (apparently) to e1k |
| 01:29 | EFudd> | some type of polling method for large receives? |
| 01:30 | inkblot> | well, at 4.3 Ghz, electrical signals will travel less than a millimeter between clock ticks over a perfect unimpeded conductor |
| 01:30 | @caker> | EFudd: I have that on with host13 on up |
| 01:30 | @caker> | with 2.4.23, tho |
| 01:31 | EFudd> | aight |
| 01:31 | @caker> | inkblot: why do you know such things? :) |
| 01:31 | EFudd> | i refuse to google a lot without a working scroll wheel. really used to that thing. :) |
| 01:31 | * | EFudd was wondering that actually |
| 01:31 | inkblot> | 3e6 / 4.3e9 = 6.9e-4 |
| 01:32 | inkblot> | 6.9e-4m = .69 mm |
| 01:32 | EFudd> | heh. |
| 01:32 | inkblot> | which is less than 1 |
| 01:32 | EFudd> | what is 3e6 in that math? |
| 01:32 | EFudd> | ie some type of defined constant? |
| 01:32 | inkblot> | three million |
| 01:32 | EFudd> | mmm redundancy department department |
| 01:32 | inkblot> | the number of meters light travels in a second |
| 01:32 | EFudd> | yah ok.:-) |
| 01:32 | inkblot> | better known as "the speed of light" |
| 01:33 | @caker> | whoa |
| 01:33 | @caker> | :) |
| 01:33 | EFudd> | mmm man, i feel dumb these days. |
| 01:33 | EFudd> | all those drugs in my early 20s :/ |
| 01:33 | @caker> | and you're 25 now? :) |
| 01:33 | @caker> | j/k |
| 01:33 | EFudd> | close :P |
| 01:33 | inkblot> | so figure a .13 micron process |
| 01:34 | EFudd> | considering at one point i was considered genius and eased thorugh everything.. then spent 3 years as a druggy.... :) |
| 01:35 | inkblot> | an *unimpeded signal could travel the width of 6.9e-4 / 1.3e-7 circuits |
| 01:35 | inkblot> | *unimpeded == not going through any gates |
| 01:36 | @caker> | yeah, but do you know what your name adds up to in ascii values? |
| 01:36 | inkblot> | or about 5000 circuits |
| 01:36 | EFudd> | perhaps that college iwll give me back the scholarship i threw in their face just 8 yrs ago |
| 01:36 | EFudd> | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 01:36 | EFudd> | Hmm |
| 01:37 | inkblot> | if you can get the process size down to .1 micron, then you might be able to fit the logic under that event horizon |
| 01:37 | inkblot> | or at least enough logic to complete a step in the pipeline |
| 01:37 | EFudd> | What is the definition of "event horizon." ? |
| 01:37 | inkblot> | :< |
| 01:38 | inkblot> | the part of the space-time continuum which is effected by an event within a given time interval from the occurrence of the event |
| 01:38 | EFudd> | i've yet to see that referenced outside of astronomy and sci-fi |
| 01:38 | EFudd> | ok. same concept. |
| 01:38 | inkblot> | yes |
| 01:39 | inkblot> | it is an actual concept in the subject of physics |
| 01:39 | EFudd> | Aye. |
| 01:39 | inkblot> | and it's important to realize that modern cpus exceed the event horizon of a single clock tick |
| 01:39 | inkblot> | and that is why pipelining is necessary |
| 01:40 | inkblot> | and that is why process size is important |
| 01:40 | EFudd> | ooh, small candle just lit in my head :-) |
| 01:40 | inkblot> | and that is why we'll never see processors above some clock rate |
| 01:40 | inkblot> | i forget what clock rate |
| 01:41 | EFudd> | I keep waiting for Intel, AMD and the like to get together and make a conscious choice to slow down processor development until a new technologie becomes viable for future processors :P |
| 01:41 | EFudd> | or rather, slow down clock rate increases |
| 01:41 | inkblot> | they'll slow down when they hit the limit |
| 01:41 | EFudd> | Yes true, but from a bus-dev standpoint....... |
| 01:41 | inkblot> | there's no need to deliberately *not* produce things |
| 01:42 | EFudd> | Sure there is. :-) |
| 01:42 | inkblot> | oh, economy |
| 01:42 | inkblot> | i get it |
| 01:42 | inkblot> | laaaaaaaaame |
| 01:42 | EFudd> | Ayup. |
| 01:42 | EFudd> | But this world isn't based on development and science, unfortunately but rather the value of dollar. |
| 01:42 | inkblot> | too bad the value of a dollar is established by fiat |
| 01:42 | EFudd> | so I say what I say in jest.. but with some reasoning and expectation behind it in near-ish future. |
| 01:44 | EFudd> | Hrm, I think it's bedtime. |
| 01:45 | EFudd> | lates. |
| 01:52 | @mikegrb> | 'night EFudd |
| 01:53 | @mikegrb> | good night everyone |
| 02:03 | = | Sh8d0w [~DaPimpinM@h-67-101-130-118.NYCMNY83.dynamic.covad.net] quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 02:46 | NeXTer> | Morning |
| 02:49 | inkblot> | already? |
| 02:50 | @guinea-sleep> | indeed |
| 02:50 | guinea-sleep | is now known as guinea-pig |
| 02:59 | wap> | Good morning. |
| 03:03 | NeXTer> | No |
| 03:03 | inkblot> | The only good morning is a dead one. |
| 03:03 | NeXTer> | It's morning, but there bloody well isn't anything good about it |
| 03:03 | wap> | heh |
| 03:04 | NeXTer> | Just when I thought this cold couldn't get any worse, it set out to disprove me |
| 03:04 | wap> | NeXTer: where are you living? |
| 03:04 | NeXTer> | Sweden |
| 03:05 | wap> | I'll definitely move to some warm country for my old days... |
| 03:05 | * | inkblot [heart] winter |
| 03:06 | NeXTer> | Well, we don't have any polar bears in the street if that's what you're thinking about... We had a li'l bit of winter three days ago, but we're back in autumn again with above zero temps |
| 03:06 | inkblot> | celsius i presume |
| 03:06 | NeXTer> | Of course |
| 03:07 | inkblot> | i see |
| 03:08 | wap> | NeXTer: you don't use Euro in Sweden, or am I mistaken? |
| 03:08 | NeXTer> | 7.6 degrees at the moment, and the clock is only nine |
| 03:09 | NeXTer> | Nope |
| 03:09 | inkblot> | it is -7 of your crazy french degrees here |
| 03:09 | wap> | 1 degree in Paris :/ |
| 03:10 | wap> | inkblot: where the hell are you? |
| 03:10 | @guinea-pig> | haha |
| 03:10 | inkblot> | chicago |
| 03:10 | NeXTer> | Could be worse |
| 03:10 | inkblot> | the natives here call this temperature "20" |
| 03:10 | NeXTer> | You could live in Detroit :P |
| 03:11 | inkblot> | there's always that |
| 03:11 | @guinea-pig> | Please enable JavaScript in your browser to switch the measurements on this page from English to Metric Units. |
| 03:11 | @guinea-pig> | haha |
| 03:11 | inkblot> | ha ha |
| 03:11 | @guinea-pig> | it's 22F here in central M |
| 03:11 | inkblot> | http://www.wunderground.com/US/IL/Chicago/KORD.html |
| 03:11 | @guinea-pig> | A |
| 03:12 | @guinea-pig> | oh yeah |
| 03:12 | NeXTer> | English? They don't use those crazy measurements either |
| 03:12 | @guinea-pig> | sighup: weather KORH |
| 03:12 | sighup> | Worcester, Worcester Regional Airport, MA, United States ; (KORH) 42-16-14N 071-52-23W 304M; last updated: Dec 18, 2003 02:47 AM EST; Dew Point: 23 F (-5 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.21 in. Hg (989 hPa); Relative Humidity: 79%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 28 F (-2 C); Visibility: 8 mile(s); Weather: Light snow; Wind: from the W (260 degrees) at 21 MPH (18 KT) gusting to 29 MPH (25 KT); Windchill: 14 F (-10 C) |
| 03:12 | @guinea-pig> | longer than i remembered it |
| 03:12 | wap> | heh |
| 03:13 | guinea-pig | is now known as guinea-work |
| 03:20 | NeXTer> | If the hosts are using ntpd to keep their clocks in sync, how come date gives me a time three minutes in the future? |
| 03:20 | inkblot> | the uml kernel's internal clock is not synced to the host's clock |
| 03:20 | NeXTer> | Ugh... |
| 03:20 | @caker> | NeXTer: which host? |
| 03:20 | NeXTer> | 12 |
| 03:20 | inkblot> | i have a cron job running ntpdate hourly |
| 03:20 | inkblot> | wfm |
| 03:22 | @caker> | NeXTer: how about now? |
| 03:22 | NeXTer> | Nice :) |
| 03:22 | @caker> | i'll check ntp's config later, it was running but still fast for some reason |
| 03:27 | You_Wish> | anybody know how to fix this, there is a index there There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected |
| 03:27 | NeXTer> | Perms? |
| 03:27 | NeXTer> | Filename case? |
| 03:28 | You_Wish> | index.htm |
| 03:28 | inkblot> | the index file itself has to be world readable |
| 03:28 | NeXTer> | You_Wish: Should be index.html |
| 03:28 | You_Wish> | hmm |
| 03:28 | inkblot> | and all of the directories in the path that contains the file need to be world executable |
| 03:29 | You_Wish> | 0644 r w |
| 03:29 | inkblot> | that should eliminate any problems you're having with 403 errors |
| 03:29 | NeXTer> | Owned by...? |
| 03:29 | You_Wish> | root |
| 03:29 | NeXTer> | Should be fine then, unless you've messed up the directory perms it should work after you rename the file |
| 03:32 | You_Wish> | hmm |
| 03:32 | You_Wish> | like pulling teeth |
| 03:33 | You_Wish> | same o |
| 03:33 | NeXTer> | What's the DocumentRoot? |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | <VirtualHost www.lionteam.com> |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | <Directory "/home/web/"> |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | allow from all |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | order allow,deny |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | Options ExecCGI |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | AllowOverride all |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | </Directory> |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | ServerName www.lionteam.com |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | DocumentRoot /home/web/www.lionteam.com/ |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | <VirtualHost www.lionteam.com> |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | <Directory "/home/web/"> |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | allow from all |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | order allow,deny |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | Options ExecCGI |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | AllowOverride all |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | </Directory> |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | ServerName www.lionteam.com |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | DocumentRoot /home/web/www.lionteam.com/ |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | shit |
| 03:34 | You_Wish> | sorry |
| 03:35 | You_Wish> | r w e 0744 |
| 03:35 | inkblot> | ^-- permissions of what? |
| 03:36 | NeXTer> | Hrm... That's an interesting setup... So you've setup www.lionteam.com as both the default host, and as a virtual host? |
| 03:36 | You_Wish> | <Directory "/var/www/"> |
| 03:36 | NeXTer> | And you should probably have Options Indexes ExecCGI |
| 03:36 | inkblot> | eh |
| 03:36 | NeXTer> | That's not waht DocumentRoot says |
| 03:36 | inkblot> | Indexes is for auto-indexing |
| 03:37 | NeXTer> | Oh, right... Still early |
| 03:37 | inkblot> | like, when apache generates an index from the directory listing |
| 03:37 | inkblot> | if you supply all your own it's totally unnecessary |
| 03:37 | inkblot> | so anyway |
| 03:37 | inkblot> | what are the permissions of /home? |
| 03:37 | inkblot> | (ls -ld /home) |
| 03:38 | inkblot> | please paste the output of the command, too |
| 03:38 | NeXTer> | There's still the discrepancy between the DocumentRoot and Directory directives |
| 03:38 | inkblot> | i don't want to try to interpret your chicken scratches |
| 03:38 | NeXTer> | As to where the files are located, that is |
| 03:38 | You_Wish> | that permission is of the index.html |
| 03:38 | inkblot> | You_Wish, "ls -ld /home" please |
| 03:38 | inkblot> | paste the output |
| 03:38 | You_Wish> | drwxr-xr-x 30 root root 1024 Dec 16 20:40 /home |
| 03:39 | inkblot> | ok, now "ls -ld /home/web" |
| 03:39 | You_Wish> | drwx------ 4 web web 1024 Dec 17 07:50 /home/web |
| 03:39 | inkblot> | there's the problem |
| 03:39 | NeXTer> | Depends |
| 03:39 | inkblot> | ... |
| 03:39 | NeXTer> | Does Apache run as user "web"? |
| 03:39 | inkblot> | You_Wish, "chmod go+x /home/web" |
| 03:40 | You_Wish> | dont know how to anserver this Does Apache run as user "web"? |
| 03:40 | inkblot> | "ps aux | grep apache" |
| 03:40 | NeXTer> | There are two directives relatively near the beginning of httpd.conf that tells what user and group it runs as |
| 03:41 | You_Wish> | The requested URL was not found on this server. If you entered the URL manually please check your spelling and try again. |
| 03:41 | inkblot> | ... |
| 03:41 | inkblot> | "ps aux | grep apache" |
| 03:41 | inkblot> | please paste the output |
| 03:41 | You_Wish> | apache 20157 0.0 2.9 11572 5516 ? S 15:27 0:00 /usr/sbin/httpd |
| 03:41 | You_Wish> | apache 20158 0.0 2.9 11572 5516 ? S 15:27 0:00 /usr/sbin/httpd |
| 03:41 | You_Wish> | apache 20159 0.0 2.9 11572 5516 ? S 15:27 0:00 /usr/sbin/httpd |
| 03:41 | You_Wish> | apache 20160 0.0 2.9 11572 5516 ? S 15:27 0:00 /usr/sbin/httpd |
| 03:41 | You_Wish> | apache 20161 0.0 2.9 11572 5516 ? S 15:27 0:00 /usr/sbin/httpd |
| 03:41 | You_Wish> | apache 20162 0.0 2.9 11572 5528 ? S 15:27 0:00 /usr/sbin/httpd |
| 03:41 | You_Wish> | apache 20163 0.0 2.9 11556 5 |
| 03:41 | inkblot> | thank you |
| 03:41 | You_Wish> | welcome |
| 03:41 | inkblot> | "chmod go+x /home/web" |
| 03:41 | inkblot> | "ls -ld /home/web/www.lionteam.com" |
| 03:42 | You_Wish> | [root@Slick www][root@Slick www]# ls -ld /home/web/www.lionteam.com |
| 03:42 | You_Wish> | ls: /home/web/www.lionteam.com: No such file or directory |
| 03:42 | NeXTer> | Uh... So where is index.html? |
| 03:42 | You_Wish> | inside the folder www.lionteam.com |
| 03:42 | inkblot> | and where is that folder? |
| 03:42 | NeXTer> | You just said it didn't exist |
| 03:43 | inkblot> | (also, "folders" are called directories) |
| 03:43 | You_Wish> | it is there |
| 03:43 | inkblot> | WHERE? |
| 03:43 | You_Wish> | inside web |
| 03:43 | inkblot> | it is not |
| 03:43 | You_Wish> | if i use webmin i can see it |
| 03:43 | inkblot> | you lie |
| 03:43 | You_Wish> | if i use shell it is not there |
| 03:43 | NeXTer> | ls tells the truth |
| 03:43 | inkblot> | the directory is not there |
| 03:44 | You_Wish> | hm |
| 03:44 | inkblot> | also, the error message is different now |
| 03:44 | inkblot> | it's no longer a 403 Forbidden |
| 03:44 | inkblot> | it is now a 404 Object Not Found |
| 03:44 | NeXTer> | Quite |
| 03:44 | inkblot> | and we know why |
| 03:44 | NeXTer> | Because the dir isn't there |
| 03:44 | inkblot> | because it isn't there |
| 03:44 | inkblot> | ;< |
| 03:44 | You_Wish> | i upload the index to www.lionteam.com |
| 03:44 | You_Wish> | i upload the index to folder www.lionteam.com |
| 03:45 | You_Wish> | let me log out and back in |
| 03:45 | inkblot> | You_Wish, the folder /home/web/www.lionteam.com does not exist |
| 03:45 | NeXTer> | find www.lionteam.com |
| 03:45 | inkblot> | You_Wish, it there is a folder called www.lionteam.com, then it must be somewhere else |
| 03:45 | You_Wish> | it is there in webmin |
| 03:45 | You_Wish> | i am looking right at it |
| 03:45 | inkblot> | webmin is not a directory |
| 03:45 | NeXTer> | What webmin says isn't relevant |
| 03:46 | You_Wish> | k |
| 03:46 | NeXTer> | What does "find www.lionteam.com" say? |
| 03:46 | You_Wish> | [root@Slick www][root@Slick www]# find www.lionteam.com |
| 03:46 | You_Wish> | find: www.lionteam.com: No such file or directory |
| 03:46 | inkblot> | try "find / -name www.lionteam.com" |
| 03:47 | inkblot> | it may take a while |
| 03:47 | You_Wish> | k |
| 03:47 | You_Wish> | so webmin cant be trusted |
| 03:47 | inkblot> | hahahahahahaha |
| 03:47 | NeXTer> | Uh, no |
| 03:48 | You_Wish> | [root@Slick www][root@Slick www]# find / -name www.lionteam.com |
| 03:48 | You_Wish> | [root@Slick www][root@Slick www]# |
| 03:48 | inkblot> | ok |
| 03:48 | inkblot> | we have definitely proven that there is no www.lionteam.com folder |
| 03:48 | NeXTer> | Looks like you'll have to create the dir yourself |
| 03:48 | You_Wish> | k |
| 03:48 | You_Wish> | how could i see it in webmin and not set it in shell |
| 03:48 | NeXTer> | And chmod 2744 www.lionteam.com |
| 03:49 | inkblot> | ... |
| 03:49 | inkblot> | You_Wish, he meant "2755", not "2744" |
| 03:49 | * | NeXTer smacks himself |
| 03:49 | NeXTer> | You're quite right |
| 03:50 | You_Wish> | i hate asking this but do i adduser www.lionteam.com |
| 03:50 | inkblot> | no |
| 03:50 | NeXTer> | mkdir |
| 03:50 | NeXTer> | What distro have you installed anyway? |
| 03:50 | inkblot> | redhat |
| 03:50 | You_Wish> | ya |
| 03:50 | inkblot> | NeXTer, it's in the 404 page |
| 03:50 | You_Wish> | rh |
| 03:50 | inkblot> | apache 2.0.40 |
| 03:50 | You_Wish> | yup |
| 03:50 | NeXTer> | inkblot: As if I'd look there :P |
| 03:51 | inkblot> | Error 404 |
| 03:51 | inkblot> | www.lionteam.com |
| 03:51 | inkblot> | Thu Dec 18 03:50:57 2003 |
| 03:51 | inkblot> | Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) |
| 03:51 | * | NeXTer wanders off to get some breakfast |
| 03:51 | You_Wish> | ok it is there |
| 03:51 | inkblot> | where? |
| 03:52 | inkblot> | "pwd" |
| 03:53 | You_Wish> | web |
| 03:53 | You_Wish> | index.htm www.lionteam.com |
| 03:53 | inkblot> | /home/web? |
| 03:53 | You_Wish> | [root@Slick web][root@Slick web]# chmod 2755 www.lionteam.com |
| 03:53 | inkblot> | ok |
| 03:53 | You_Wish> | yes |
| 03:53 | You_Wish> | wait |
| 03:53 | You_Wish> | i see what i been doing wrong |
| 03:54 | inkblot> | what? |
| 03:54 | You_Wish> | i have been puttting it in www |
| 03:54 | You_Wish> | not home |
| 03:54 | You_Wish> | crap |
| 03:54 | inkblot> | ok then |
| 03:55 | inkblot> | you know what your problem is? |
| 03:55 | You_Wish> | what |
| 03:55 | inkblot> | complete and total lack of diligence |
| 03:55 | NeXTer> | Ouch |
| 03:55 | You_Wish> | i dont call 4 days working on something before i can here to take a beating lack of diligence |
| 03:55 | inkblot> | i do |
| 03:56 | You_Wish> | 5 days better |
| 03:56 | inkblot> | because for 4 days you overlooked an obvious error |
| 03:56 | You_Wish> | good point |
| 03:57 | You_Wish> | brb after cool off |
| 03:57 | NeXTer> | Well, it's not as if that doesn't happen to all of us from time to time |
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| 07:01 | You_Wish> | NeXTer and inkblot thanks for the webpage help just got up. Linode rules! |
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| 08:16 | @mikegrb> | ethand: killing the cookies help? |
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| 08:59 | ethand> | mikegrb: no, it didnt help |
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| 09:23 | eurozip> | sighup, g7 eurozip |
| 09:23 | sighup> | #G7 stats for eurozip, the heh -- 41/109 Current Level: 38 | Time to next level: 0 days, 05:20:52 | Status: online | Item Total: 310 | Total Time Idled: 13 days, 13:11:05 |
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| 09:49 | tjfontaine> | ping inkblot |
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| 10:36 | @adamg> | sighup linode forums |
| 10:36 | sighup> | adamg: Sendmail and Email Related Forum: pop3, sendmail and xinetd ... ; General Discussion: Linux 2.6.0 final released ... ; General Discussion: Broken apt-get ; Linux Networking: ident ; General Discussion: performance of linode ... |
| 10:36 | @adamg> | sighup linode avail |
| 10:36 | sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 36] [Linode 96: 1] [Linode 128: 18] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0] |
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| 11:46 | @adamg> | msg sighup seen caker |
| 11:46 | tjfontaine> | hehe |
| 11:48 | @adamg> | i always seem to be missing out characters when typing today |
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| 12:08 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 12:08 | @mikegrb> | sighup: seen caker |
| 12:08 | sighup> | caker was last seen on #linode 8 hours, 45 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: i'll check ntp's config later, it was running but still fast for some reason [1071735773] |
| 12:14 | @adamg> | sighup linode avail |
| 12:14 | sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 35] [Linode 96: 1] [Linode 128: 18] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0] |
| 12:14 | @adamg> | well there going slowly |
| 12:19 | tjfontaine> | 1 in 2 hours isn't slow to me... |
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| 12:34 | inkblot> | tjfontaine, ? |
| 12:35 | tjfontaine> | just wanted to say thansk for the spam :-) |
| 12:35 | inkblot> | oh |
| 12:35 | inkblot> | should i shut it off now? |
| 12:35 | tjfontaine> | no please leave it on if you don't mind |
| 12:36 | inkblot> | ok |
| 13:14 | @adamg> | i think 31 people online is the highest for this one |
| 13:53 | risto> | yet another DNS question from me.... |
| 13:53 | risto> | what's the purpose of NS records within the zone? Won't resolvers look for that from a zone above? |
| 13:54 | @adamg> | it is also used by the primary nameserver to find the secondary for zone transfers |
| 13:54 | risto> | ie. if I have blah.com, resolvers would look for NS record from com zone, not blah.com zone |
| 13:55 | risto> | OK, thought so... then godaddy's DNS servers are wrong |
| 13:55 | risto> | I have two of their servers in whois + one of my own, they only list their own dns servers as ns |
| 13:57 | @adamg> | well that is down to godaddy and their set-up but they will probably not added in your ns server etc |
| 13:58 | risto> | yep, they did propagate that properly to .com zone through whois though |
| 13:59 | inkblot> | the glue records that the registar stores are not authoritative |
| 13:59 | inkblot> | the NS records in your zone are |
| 14:00 | inkblot> | glue records exist for the sole purpose of finding your nameservers in the first place, |
| 14:00 | inkblot> | so that authoritative records can be had |
| 14:02 | risto> | the whole godaddy CP seems to be broken now because I set the DNS servers mixed with theirs and mine |
| 14:04 | inkblot> | DNS hosting is typically all or none |
| 14:04 | inkblot> | i.e. they do it all for you |
| 14:04 | risto> | yep |
| 14:04 | inkblot> | or you do it all yourself |
| 14:05 | risto> | I just wanted to do the transition smoothly |
| 14:06 | inkblot> | you may have to forego that and just do it |
| 14:06 | inkblot> | need secondaries? |
| 14:07 | risto> | I have created zones in zoneedit but I don't know why it takes so long |
| 14:07 | risto> | last time my two zones were ready in a snap |
| 14:07 | risto> | now I created remaining 3 I still have DNS @godaddy |
| 14:08 | risto> | are your DNS servers in theplanet, too? |
| 14:09 | inkblot> | one of them is |
| 14:11 | risto> | last time I was able to get zoneedit dns servers to be authoritative to my zones before I changed them in root, now it doesn't seem to happen |
| 14:11 | * | EFudd wakes up |
| 14:11 | risto> | I have those 3 zones there but I'm afraid to make the change before I can be sure zoneedit will start answering properly |
| 14:11 | inkblot> | so, are you trying to go from godaddy hosting to zoneedit hosting? |
| 14:11 | risto> | ink, yes |
| 14:11 | inkblot> | or godaddy hosting to self-hosting? |
| 14:11 | inkblot> | ok |
| 14:11 | risto> | well, with zoneedit I can do mixed |
| 14:12 | risto> | two of their plus one mine |
| 14:12 | * | inkblot has no experience with anything other than self-hosting |
| 14:12 | * | inkblot is a diy kind of guy |
| 14:12 | risto> | one day I'll buy another linode from HE and I'll be a happy guy |
| 14:12 | inkblot> | actually, that's not true, |
| 14:12 | inkblot> | the company i work for has it's web/email/dns stuff all hosted |
| 14:13 | @adamg> | risto what is the domain name and zonedit nameservers and I will let you know if they are set-up |
| 14:13 | inkblot> | host -vt ns <your domain here> <nameserver you want to ask here> |
| 14:13 | risto> | adamg, I have set up goadam.com, kotalampi.com and hard-core-dx.com zones in zoneedit |
| 14:13 | risto> | my existing domains sdxl.org and rheet.com works fine in zoneedit |
| 14:14 | @adamg> | yes but which nameservers |
| 14:14 | risto> | ns14 & ns15 |
| 14:16 | inkblot> | root servers don't have your updates yet |
| 14:16 | risto> | the perfect setup I want is 2 zoneedit as masters, one of my own as secondary, and .com/.org root zone having all of them in theirs |
| 14:16 | @adamg> | you can only have 1 master |
| 14:16 | inkblot> | adamg, depends |
| 14:16 | risto> | ink, yes, I know. I haven't done that yet. Last time zoneedit had my zones responding before I did that. |
| 14:17 | risto> | adamg, for the existing domains I've set both zoneedit servers as primaries, zone transfers seems to work fine |
| 14:17 | risto> | (set both == at my linode, the 3rd DNS servers in root zone) |
| 14:18 | risto> | zone "sdxl.org"{ |
| 14:18 | risto> | type slave; |
| 14:18 | risto> | file "sdxl.slave"; |
| 14:18 | risto> | masters { 209.126.159.80; 69.10.134.195; }; |
| 14:18 | risto> | }; |
| 14:19 | nick> | maradns++ |
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| 14:27 | risto> | adamg, did you find out what was wrong with my zones? |
| 14:28 | @adamg> | There is nothing wrong with the ones at zonedit, they appear to be set-up and working |
| 14:29 | risto> | what about the new ones? (goadam.com, kotalampi.com, hard-core-dx.com) |
| 14:29 | risto> | I'm not getting authoritative answers from zoneedit for those domains yet, even if I'm able to edit and modify them |
| 14:30 | @adamg> | email zoneedit and ask them |
| 14:30 | risto> | :-) |
| 14:32 | @adamg> | they are not set-up they just return the root servers |
| 14:33 | risto> | yep |
| 14:34 | risto> | I think the rule used to be... they will set them up authoritative even before the DNS servers have been changed in the root _if_ your address in whois matches with what you have in their recordss |
| 14:35 | risto> | theoretical questions: if you have 3 dns servers and two of them just return root servers, will everything work? |
| 14:35 | risto> | ie. will those hitting those non-working eventually fall back to the one working or will they fail? |
| 14:35 | @adamg> | 33.3% chance of it resolving |
| 14:36 | risto> | ok, so they won't try others in the case of failure in one? |
| 14:37 | @adamg> | well that depends |
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| 14:42 | Quik^> | lo peeps, long time no see :) |
| 14:43 | Quik^> | anyone about? |
| 14:43 | @caker> | hello Quik^ |
| 14:43 | @adamg> | yeah |
| 14:44 | @caker> | 2.4.23-7um kernel is up -- jeff accepted my patch, too :) |
| 14:44 | Quik^> | \o/ |
| 14:44 | Quik^> | lo caker & adamg |
| 14:44 | @adamg> | thats good |
| 14:45 | Quik^> | i don't suppose anyone could point me in the direction of a nice guide to mrtg - specifically graphing throughput (on eth0?) and server load could they? :) |
| 14:45 | @adamg> | use rrd-tool |
| 14:46 | @adamg> | or ask mikegrb about mrtg |
| 14:46 | Quik^> | is rrd-tool comparatively easy to use? |
| 14:46 | Quik^> | i'm mainly looking for simplicity |
| 14:46 | risto> | oh well, I think I'll just switch one of the domains DNS servers to zoneedit and hoping it will catch it and become authoritative |
| 14:47 | @adamg> | it is with the web interfaces available |
| 14:47 | risto> | this is one of the domains to play with anyway, gotta be more careful with "production" domains |
| 14:49 | risto> | caker, if I sign up for new linode, how can I make sure it will be located in HE? Or are all the new signups there or only certain ones? |
| 14:49 | @caker> | risto: chances are very good it will be, otherwise -- There are 128s and 64s avail at HE, and I can move you if not |
| 14:50 | @caker> | risto: actually, the 96 is at HE too |
| 14:52 | risto> | gotcha, thanks... maybe I'll buy myself another Christmas present |
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| 15:11 | @adamg> | caker is the new kernel set at the recommended one? |
| 15:12 | @adamg> | and what has changed in this one? |
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| 15:14 | inkblot> | risto, sounds like you'll have to configure zoneedit during the grace period between whois updates and root server updates |
| 15:15 | inkblot> | i.e. make the changes to glue records first and then go to zoneedit |
| 15:21 | @adamg> | stupid error messages |
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| 15:24 | risto> | inkblot, and now things broke... |
| 15:24 | risto> | I knew this... once you remove godaddy DNS servers they will stop responding to that zone |
| 15:24 | risto> | and there's no way root zone can catch up changes that quick |
| 15:25 | inkblot> | updates occur much much faster than they used to |
| 15:25 | inkblot> | i've seen them happen within minutes |
| 15:26 | risto> | you can look how goadam is alreayd broken, root still points to godaddy, but since they think I abandoned them they don't respond anymore |
| 15:26 | risto> | there is no clean way to transfer... |
| 15:27 | inkblot> | yes, i can see that |
| 15:27 | inkblot> | but the root servers should be updated fairly quickly |
| 15:27 | inkblot> | has zoneedit started responding? |
| 15:27 | inkblot> | hmmm.... no |
| 15:27 | @adamg> | have you told godaddy to delete the dns records? |
| 15:28 | risto> | adamg, no I didn't. They seem to do it automatically if you move DNS away from their default DNS servers. |
| 15:28 | @adamg> | oh |
| 15:29 | @adamg> | then a clean move is not possible |
| 15:29 | risto> | yep... |
| 15:29 | * | inkblot stabs |
| 15:29 | @adamg> | what would happen if you kept ns1 with godaddy but moved ns2 to zoneedit |
| 15:30 | risto> | adamg, it stays responsive but I am not able to edit anything |
| 15:30 | risto> | I sort of did that already, set the 3rd ns to my linode |
| 15:30 | risto> | then swapped godaddy's with zoneedit |
| 15:30 | inkblot> | right, but what if you set the fourth and fifth to zoneedit? |
| 15:31 | risto> | that's a good thought |
| 15:31 | risto> | because when godaddy goes AWOL, they don't return root records, they just don't respond |
| 15:32 | risto> | in the unresponsive cases resolves default to the remaining ns's? |
| 15:35 | inkblot> | i presume so |
| 15:35 | inkblot> | that's sort of the point of having multiple servers |
| 15:36 | risto> | isn't that why we need two or more servers in the first place |
| 15:36 | inkblot> | but i don't rightly know what the spec for dns says about unresponsive servers |
| 15:36 | inkblot> | is your linode responding correctly? |
| 15:36 | risto> | the "it depends" part is with server responsing but returning root zone |
| 15:36 | risto> | ink, yes |
| 15:36 | inkblot> | ok |
| 15:37 | risto> | actually, right... I don't need to change anything |
| 15:37 | risto> | even if godaddy became AWOL, 1 out of 3 should work |
| 15:37 | risto> | the same thing would happen if I first keep 2*godaddy, 2*zoneedit |
| 15:38 | risto> | maybe with better ratio but same thing |
| 15:38 | * | inkblot tests |
| 15:38 | risto> | I reverted it back so for a minute godaddy might have become resonsive again |
| 15:39 | risto> | but I'm changing it back so if they did, godaddy should go AWOL soon |
| 15:40 | risto> | it seems to work |
| 15:40 | risto> | some servers just takes a time to get an answer |
| 15:41 | inkblot> | yes, it does try others |
| 15:42 | risto> | so there is a clean way out:-) |
| 15:42 | inkblot> | i just watched a bit of dns traffic and saw it try godaddy, get nothing, and then try yours |
| 15:42 | inkblot> | the caveat is that it involves a timeout if the resolving server doesn't try yours first |
| 15:42 | risto> | now I just have to hope zoneedit becomes authoritative |
| 15:42 | inkblot> | and so resolution is potentially quite slow |
| 15:43 | risto> | slow for a moment is better than total outages I've seen with godaddy |
| 15:43 | inkblot> | indeed |
| 15:45 | risto> | timeout doesn't seem to be too bad, at most I saw 5-10 sec |
| 15:47 | @guinea-pig> | "but i have dsl! it should be fast" |
| 15:47 | inkblot> | yeah, that's about what i saw |
| 15:49 | risto> | my son is the onlyone using that domain anyway:-) I just spank him if he complains. |
| 15:53 | inkblot> | ha ha |
| 15:53 | @guinea-pig> | spank him anyway. it's for his own good. |
| 15:54 | risto> | later on I need to transfer more important domains |
| 15:54 | @caker> | What-ever! HE want's $1000 setup to install another 20amp circuit |
| 15:55 | * | caker wonders what they're smoking |
| 15:55 | risto> | I'm right by HE, and own a baseball bat |
| 15:55 | @caker> | I got a HE label maker from them for xmas |
| 15:55 | @caker> | :-p |
| 15:56 | @caker> | I'm beggining to think they're all insane |
| 15:58 | inkblot> | caker, IBE is probably to blame |
| 15:58 | @caker> | which IBE ? |
| 15:58 | inkblot> | er, IBEW |
| 15:59 | @caker> | insane... |
| 15:59 | inkblot> | International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers |
| 15:59 | @adamg> | $1000 is a joke |
| 15:59 | inkblot> | the electricians' union |
| 15:59 | @caker> | what is this, Robin hood? |
| 15:59 | @adamg> | how much for a new cab? |
| 15:59 | @caker> | $300 under my "special deal" (uh huh) |
| 16:00 | @adamg> | it looks like it is going to be cheaper to get a new cabinet! |
| 16:00 | inkblot> | that's almost half a host's revenue! |
| 16:00 | @caker> | yeah, 300 per cab and only put 6-8 servers in it |
| 16:00 | inkblot> | base revenue, anyway |
| 16:00 | @adamg> | still better than shelling out $1000 for an install + the power costs |
| 16:00 | @caker> | $1000 to install, then $300/month |
| 16:00 | @guinea-pig> | how much for a new provider? :p |
| 16:01 | @adamg> | the other option is to get out of HE as fast as possible |
| 16:01 | @caker> | guinea-pig: no kidding |
| 16:01 | @guinea-pig> | no, i'm not kidding |
| 16:02 | @adamg> | it is stupid though |
| 16:03 | risto> | they probably need to pull the new cord from who knows where, and each rack have their prebuilt outlet |
| 16:04 | @caker> | She explained it to me earlier -- makes sense, they reduce costs by standardizing everything on 1 15amp per cab... |
| 16:04 | risto> | we prebuild each rack with two outlets in different sources t |
