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| 03:42 | wap> | Morning |
| 07:01 | % | Netsplit uranium.oftc.net <-> keid.oftc.net quits: milo |
| 08:22 | + | NeXTer [~nexter@a72.ib.student.liu.se] joined #linode |
| 09:49 | NeXTer> | ...and silence reigned... |
| 09:49 | wap> | ;) |
| 09:50 | NeXTer> | When is the channel usually active? (UTC) |
| 09:51 | tjfontaine> | bout 8 -> 12 (UTC -5) |
| 09:52 | wap> | NeXTer: it really depends, but often at evenings |
| 09:52 | tjfontaine> | mikegrb's irc script would be able to tell you more precisely |
| 09:52 | * | wap nods to tj |
| 09:52 | NeXTer> | I see, well, I've got nothing better to do than stick around and wait then |
| 09:53 | NeXTer> | Or come to think of it, you two would probably know... |
| 09:53 | wap> | NeXTer: there's a better choice: join #g7 and read the website in topic to understand the rules (nothing complicated I can swear!) |
| 09:54 | inkblot> | moin dawgs |
| 09:55 | NeXTer> | Is the billing automatic for >= second month, or do I have to take some action to make it go through? |
| 09:55 | wap> | NeXTer: it's automatic |
| 09:56 | NeXTer> | Good, I'll be in England over newyear, so I'd have some difficulties otherwise |
| 09:56 | wap> | NeXTer: you have to take action when you want to stop being billed ;) |
| 09:57 | NeXTer> | Well, that's okay, everything's just dandy... Or at least it will be once caker updates the kernel on host12... I hope |
| 09:57 | * | mikegrb regenerates channel activity graphs |
| 10:00 | @mikegrb> | http://thegrebs.com/irc/stats/linode.html |
| 10:01 | NeXTer> | Times are in...? |
| 10:02 | @mikegrb> | eastern |
| 10:02 | NeXTer> | Ah |
| 10:07 | wap> | mikegrb: you wrote this script? |
| 10:07 | @mikegrb> | wap: nah |
| 10:07 | @mikegrb> | wap: pisg |
| 10:07 | @mikegrb> | there are other channels there too |
| 10:07 | @mikegrb> | take the linode.html away |
| 10:08 | NeXTer> | Looks like a fairly standard ircstat variant to me |
| 10:08 | @mikegrb> | there should be a link at the bottom to the pisg site |
| 10:08 | @mikegrb> | NeXTer: yup |
| 10:08 | wap> | mikegrb: I did it for #xbox-linux ;) |
| 10:08 | @mikegrb> | the most active times graph for #mythtv are really pretty |
| 10:09 | @mikegrb> | there are 429 days so they are nice and smooth |
| 10:09 | NeXTer> | Pretty curve |
| 10:28 | @adamg> | mikegrb you finally got that script set-up then |
| 10:28 | @mikegrb> | adamg: which? |
| 10:28 | @mikegrb> | adamg: pisg? |
| 10:29 | @adamg> | what does it mean I was last seen 2 days ago |
| 10:29 | @mikegrb> | hmm |
| 10:30 | @mikegrb> | perhaps with that nick |
| 10:30 | @mikegrb> | I'm not sure |
| 10:55 | eurozip> | sighup, g7 eurozip |
| 10:55 | sighup> | #G7 stats for eurozip, the heh -- 42/107 Current Level: 38 | Time to next level: 1 days, 00:11:35 | Status: offline | Item Total: 310 | Total Time Idled: 12 days, 18:46:15 |
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| 11:32 | @adamg> | sighup ups 1Z3E74561365490848 |
| 11:33 | sighup> | In Transit Sched. Delivery: Dec 15, 2003 Shipped to: FREMONT, CA, US Service Type: NEXT DAY AIR SAVER. Results as of Dec 15, 2003 11:33 A.M. Eastern Time (USA) |
| 11:49 | @adamg> | sighup linode forums |
| 11:49 | sighup> | adamg: Feature Request/Bug Report: nfs share? ; Linux Networking: Firewall settings for ... ; Linux Networking: ident ; Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum: Where is apxs? ; Linode.com Announcements: Hurricane Electric corrects ... |
| 11:50 | @adamg> | sighup linode avail |
| 11:50 | sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 0] [Linode 96: 1] [Linode 128: 1] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0] |
| 11:55 | eurozip> | any mysql experts? |
| 11:56 | tjfontaine> | whats wrong? |
| 11:57 | eurozip> | select * from images where id < 31 limit 1 |
| 11:57 | eurozip> | I need that to return 30 if no 30 29, if no 29, 28... |
| 11:57 | eurozip> | 1 less, that is available |
| 11:58 | eurozip> | I can write it out, but it will take multiple queries, depending on how many are missing... |
| 11:58 | sjansen> | Well, if you could do sub-selects you could do it in one query. |
| 11:58 | tjfontaine> | caker: ping |
| 11:59 | eurozip> | sjansen, how do I do that |
| 11:59 | eurozip> | never done a sub select... |
| 11:59 | @adamg> | eurozip: depending on how the data is ordered it will return the first record found that matches the query, if you order it by id and descending order it should work |
| 12:00 | eurozip> | one sec, trying... |
| 12:00 | sjansen> | But since you can't... try "select max(id) from images where id < 31" |
| 12:00 | sjansen> | then "select * from images where id = :maxid" |
| 12:01 | eurozip> | mysql 4, subselects |
| 12:01 | eurozip> | adamg, that works, I just have to asc for > |
| 12:01 | eurozip> | thanks |
| 12:01 | @adamg> | np |
| 12:02 | eurozip> | if ($type = '<') { |
| 12:02 | eurozip> | $sc = 'desc'; |
| 12:02 | eurozip> | } else { |
| 12:02 | eurozip> | $sc = 'asc'; |
| 12:02 | eurozip> | } |
| 12:02 | eurozip> | $qry = "select * from images where id $type $id order by id $sc limit 1"; |
| 12:02 | eurozip> | that does it |
| 12:02 | eurozip> | in a function |
| 12:03 | @adamg> | ok |
| 12:06 | EFudd> | in a real DB, you can put the constraint "where (id<31)"; in the query |
| 12:06 | tjfontaine> | real == postgresql? |
| 12:06 | EFudd> | well, oracle at least. |
| 12:07 | EFudd> | perhaps pg does constraints |
| 12:07 | tjfontaine> | dunno |
| 12:07 | tjfontaine> | in theory pg is more mature than mysql, and more suitable for larger implementations |
| 12:07 | EFudd> | ayup. |
| 12:09 | * | EFudd wanders off for shower and such |
| 12:10 | sjansen> | I was first hired as an asssitant Oracle DBA. Can't bring myself to use MySQL as a result. |
| 12:10 | tjfontaine> | I spose thats a GoodThing(tm) |
| 12:10 | sjansen> | Sure, it's made giant strides. But you shouldn't call yourself a DB is you're not ACID, doesn't support sub-selects, triggers, etc. |
| 12:11 | tjfontaine> | consider how long nested queries took |
| 12:11 | sjansen> | PG as the only choice for me. Maybe I'll get over my MySQL predjudice someday. (When they finish implementing features that PG already has.) |
| 12:40 | @adamg> | mysql should be better when 5.1 has been released but that will still take a few years |
| 12:40 | @adamg> | caker ping |
| 12:41 | NeXTer> | Never bothered with MySQL after reading up on its deficiencies compared to PG... |
| 12:42 | inkblot> | i used to use mysql back when the pg folks were all sequestered in their dev-hole |
| 12:42 | NeXTer> | And things pretty much went downhill from there when I realized oneliners in PG became lengthy mess in MySQL |
| 12:42 | inkblot> | then they came out and was all "why am i still using this crap?" |
| 12:43 | NeXTer> | Heh |
| 12:43 | inkblot> | but i really just stopped using sql databases |
| 12:43 | tjfontaine> | what do you use now? |
| 12:43 | inkblot> | i haven't really touched either in a long time |
| 12:43 | inkblot> | tjfontaine, i don't really use any sql database anymore |
| 12:44 | tjfontaine> | no RDBMS? |
| 12:44 | inkblot> | i have a few squirrelmail things in a pg database |
| 12:44 | inkblot> | but that's really nothing |
| 12:44 | inkblot> | tjfontaine, that is correct, for the most part |
| 12:44 | tjfontaine> | boy your life must be empty ;-) |
| 12:44 | inkblot> | har! |
| 12:45 | @adamg> | does anyone know where you can download portsentry and logcheck, they used to be on the cisco site but all links are dead |
| 12:45 | inkblot> | i am quite satisfied working on platform bootstrapping |
| 12:45 | inkblot> | adamg, apt-get install portsentry logcheck |
| 12:45 | @adamg> | but I want the source |
| 12:46 | inkblot> | apt-get source portsentry logcheck |
| 12:46 | @adamg> | I dont like using apt-get for things like that |
| 12:46 | inkblot> | well then bully for you |
| 12:46 | * | sjansen chuckles |
| 12:47 | @adamg> | and portsentry is not in apt |
| 12:47 | inkblot> | i used to do all that other crap too, you know |
| 12:47 | @adamg> | all what crap |
| 12:47 | inkblot> | [inkblot@goose:~][inkblot@goose:~]$ apt-cache search portsentry |
| 12:47 | inkblot> | portsentry - Portscan detection daemon |
| 12:47 | inkblot> | download source from whereever |
| 12:47 | inkblot> | compile and install |
| 12:47 | inkblot> | manage it myself |
| 12:47 | inkblot> | i took a slackware 2.2 system through 1.2 -> 2.0 kernel upgrade |
| 12:48 | inkblot> | libc5 to libc6 |
| 12:48 | inkblot> | and a.out to ELF |
| 12:48 | @adamg> | when I do a cache search it is not there, must not be in stable |
| 12:48 | inkblot> | BY HAND |
| 12:48 | NeXTer> | inkblot: Was there any other way? |
| 12:48 | inkblot> | NeXTer, not for me |
| 12:49 | @adamg> | compilers etc I get from apt, but things like mysql, apache etc I like to do by hand |
| 12:49 | NeXTer> | My most traumatic experience was when I inherited a an old slackware 7.0 server... That got... Messy |
| 12:49 | NeXTer> | Even managed to zap libc6 from it before I got it sorted :P |
| 12:50 | NeXTer> | Suffice to say, all servers I have these days run Debian Sid... |
| 12:50 | inkblot> | adamg, you'll grow out of it |
| 12:50 | @adamg> | I doubt that |
| 12:51 | inkblot> | yeah, i used to say that too |
| 12:51 | @adamg> | pre-packaged things tend not to have the right things in, or have to much compiled in |
| 12:51 | NeXTer> | Then you discovered apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 12:53 | sjansen> | The correct answer is somewhere in between. For most things, I just go with what the OS provides. |
| 12:53 | @adamg> | they appear to have moved to sourceforge |
| 12:54 | sjansen> | But for critical parts ("core business" for you suits), I like having total control. |
| 13:00 | @adamg> | sighup ups 1Z3E74561365490848 |
| 13:01 | sighup> | In Transit Sched. Delivery: Dec 15, 2003 Shipped to: FREMONT, CA, US Service Type: NEXT DAY AIR SAVER. Results as of Dec 15, 2003 1:01 P.M. Eastern Time (USA) |
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| 13:23 | nick_> | t caker i dont want a phone call |
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| 13:38 | * | artifex kicks nick |
| 13:39 | nick_ | is now known as nick |
| 13:45 | * | nick is away (hooray i say, for the end of the world. hooray i say, for the end of it all.) |
| 13:54 | @adamg> | bored, bored, bored, bored, bored.................................................... |
| 13:54 | inkblot> | likewise |
| 13:55 | @adamg> | I have loads to do but .... |
| 13:55 | EFudd> | |
| 13:55 | EFudd> | "In a lawsuit filed Friday, Doris Burns accuses Snoop |
| 13:55 | EFudd> | Dogg...and MTV of brizzle of contrizzle, frizzle (fo' shizzle), |
| 13:55 | EFudd> | invasion of privasizzle and de-to-the-F-A mizzle. She is |
| 13:55 | EFudd> | seeking unspecified benjamins." |
| 13:55 | NeXTer> | Err... |
| 13:55 | tjfontaine> | hahaha |
| 13:56 | * | EFudd would pay money to hear that broadcast on CNN |
| 13:56 | inkblot> | ha ha |
| 13:56 | * | tjfontaine too |
| 13:57 | EFudd> | "And now, a word from Tom Brokaw." |
| 13:57 | @adamg> | sighup ups 1Z3E74561365490848 |
| 13:57 | sighup> | Delivered Delivered on: Dec 15, 2003 10:04 A.M. Delivered to: US Signed by: SHAVER Service Type: NEXT DAY AIR SAVER. Results as of Dec 15, 2003 1:57 P.M. Eastern Time (USA) |
| 13:58 | tjfontaine> | Efudd: source? |
| 13:58 | @adamg> | well host13 and 14 are at HE |
| 13:58 | NeXTer> | adamg: What is that thing anyway? |
| 13:58 | NeXTer> | Ah |
| 13:58 | EFudd> | tj, someone bored. |
| 13:58 | tjfontaine> | hahaha |
| 13:58 | * | EFudd stares blindly at options, mts_* and dispatchers in this oracle .dbt file |
| 14:01 | NeXTer> | I must say, Linod appears to be one of the most open and generally commendable hosting outfits around today. I really hope it lasts |
| 14:02 | @adamg> | tell caker that!, or post on the feedback part of the forum |
| 14:03 | @adamg> | just spell linode correctly |
| 14:04 | NeXTer> | Yeah, I noticed right after I pressed enter :P |
| 14:19 | tjfontaine> | wap: you registered xbox-linux.org to your linode? ;-) |
| 14:33 | @guinea-pig> | yay for completing quests |
| 14:34 | wap> | tjfontaine: nope ;) my linode is ewap.org |
| 14:34 | tjfontaine> | wap: we're talking about you in the meeting :-D |
| 14:35 | wap> | tjfontaine: just backread it ;) |
| 14:45 | @adamg> | sighup change 20 usd to gbp |
| 14:45 | sighup> | adamg: 20 U.S. Dollar makes 11.45 British Pound |
| 14:45 | @adamg> | sighup change 30 usd to gbp |
| 14:45 | sighup> | adamg: 30 U.S. Dollar makes 17.17 British Pound |
| 14:45 | @adamg> | sighup change 40 usd to gbp |
| 14:45 | sighup> | adamg: 40 U.S. Dollar makes 22.89 British Pound |
| 14:46 | @adamg> | caker: ping |
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| 14:50 | @adamg> | fecking latex |
| 14:50 | tjfontaine> | problems with condoms? ;-) |
| 14:50 | @adamg> | hahahah |
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| 14:57 | Guest23> | well that was annoying |
| 14:57 | Guest23 | is now known as adamgent |
| 14:57 | ~ | ChanServ set +o adamgent on #linode |
| 14:57 | adamg | is now known as Guest27 |
| 14:57 | tjfontaine> | yipes |
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| 14:58 | NeXTer> | What the heck was that? |
| 14:58 | adamgent | is now known as adamg |
| 15:00 | @adamg> | what the heck was waht |
| 15:00 | tjfontaine> | protected nick |
| 15:01 | * | adamg wonders if he has missed something |
| 15:01 | NeXTer> | Mmmkay... Guess every network has its own weird quirks |
| 15:05 | @guinea-pig> | sighup: g7 gp |
| 15:05 | sighup> | #G7 stats for gp, the Emperor of New England -- 8/107 Current Level: 43 | Time to next level: 1 days, 06:59:59 | Status: online | Item Total: 394 | Total Time Idled: 26 days, 19:02:45 |
| 15:25 | @adamg> | sighup seen caker |
| 15:25 | sighup> | caker was last seen on #linode 1 days, 18 hours, 53 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: manually [1071365575] |
| 15:26 | @adamg> | that is a long time |
| 15:26 | tjfontaine> | aye |
| 16:39 | @guinea-pig> | maybe he was manually ircing |
| 16:39 | NeXTer> | Telnet? |
| 16:39 | sighup> | i heard Telnet was An old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. |
| 16:39 | EFudd> | sighup: shutup |
| 16:39 | sighup> | Sorry, EFudd, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 16:39 | @adamg> | sighup status |
| 16:39 | sighup> | Since Sat Dec 13 23:30:33 2003, there have been 29 modifications and 78 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 17 hours, 9 minutes, 13 seconds this session, and currently reference 12636 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 16:40 | tjfontaine> | sorry i've been waking him up |
| 16:40 | tjfontaine> | he's pretty finiky |
| 16:40 | NeXTer> | You don't say |
| 16:47 | @adamg> | sighup seen caker |
| 16:47 | sighup> | caker was last seen on #xbox-linux 2 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [1071524708] |
| 16:47 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 16:48 | @mikegrb> | he is spying on us |
| 16:48 | tjfontaine> | :-( |
| 16:48 | @guinea-pig> | pssst, caker has orange armpit hair |
| 16:49 | @adamg> | it would appear so |
| 16:49 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 16:53 | sjansen> | Orange armpit hair?! I'm cancelling my account. I can't do business with a person like that? |
| 16:54 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 16:54 | @guinea-pig> | well |
| 16:55 | @guinea-pig> | he's coloured it green temporarily |
| 16:57 | NeXTer> | You know, that explains a lot |
| 16:58 | NeXTer> | I've no idea what exactly, but it's definitely a lot |
| 17:01 | * | caker takes aim at Hurricane Electric |
| 17:01 | * | mikegrb fires |
| 17:01 | * | caker reloads |
| 17:01 | * | mikegrb fires |
| 17:02 | tjfontaine> | whats wrong? |
| 17:02 | * | caker grabs quad damage |
| 17:02 | @caker> | Been dealing w/ them on the bandwidth issues |
| 17:02 | NeXTer> | And they fail to see the light? |
| 17:03 | @caker> | Everything's settled network wise, now just dealing with them fixing my contract and billing |
| 17:03 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:05 | @adamg> | caker whats happening about the host11 and 12 reboot |
| 17:06 | @mikegrb> | sighup: ping host13.linode.com |
| 17:06 | @mikegrb> | :/ |
| 17:06 | @caker> | Well, I think the traffic issue was causing some/most of the problem, so I wanted to see how things went for a few days |
| 17:06 | NeXTer> | Ah |
| 17:07 | @mikegrb> | sighup: dns host13.linode.com |
| 17:07 | sighup> | mikegrb: I can't find the machine name "host13.linode.com" |
| 17:07 | @mikegrb> | sighup: it is over there |
| 17:07 | sighup> | ...but it is <reply>... |
| 17:07 | @mikegrb> | sighup: maybe it is right above or below you? don't look far, look near |
| 17:07 | sighup> | ...but maybe it is his pace maker?... |
| 17:07 | @mikegrb> | sighup: he doesn't have a pace maker, I don't think so anyway |
| 17:07 | sighup> | mikegrb: sorry... |
| 17:07 | @mikegrb> | sighup: no, it is a good thing |
| 17:07 | sighup> | ...but it is <reply>... |
| 17:08 | @mikegrb> | sighup: that is a funny reply |
| 17:08 | sighup> | ...but that is a good idea... |
| 17:08 | @mikegrb> | sighup: I don't see why |
| 17:08 | sighup> | mikegrb: excuse me? |
| 17:08 | @mikegrb> | sighup: there is no excuse for you |
| 17:08 | sighup> | ...but there is written in perl... |
| 17:08 | @mikegrb> | sighup: you are written in perl |
| 17:08 | sighup> | ...but sighup is nifty. or me or you... |
| 17:08 | NeXTer> | Whereupon the conversation trailed off in mutual incomprehension... |
| 17:08 | @mikegrb> | sighup: yes, you are nify sometime |
| 17:08 | sighup> | ...but sighup is nifty. or me or you... |
| 17:08 | @mikegrb> | sighup: that is what I said! |
| 17:08 | sighup> | i haven't a clue, mikegrb |
| 17:08 | @mikegrb> | indeed |
| 17:09 | @guinea-pig> | ... |
| 17:09 | @guinea-pig> | ... |
| 17:09 | @guinea-pig> | :< |
| 17:10 | tjfontaine> | caker: mind if I pm you a moment? |
| 17:11 | @mikegrb> | tjfontaine: mind if I pm you too? |
| 17:11 | tjfontaine> | sure |
| 17:12 | NeXTer> | Mind if I PM the channel? |
| 17:13 | @guinea-pig> | you just did |
| 17:13 | NeXTer> | Quite :P |
| 17:13 | sjansen> | pm? |
| 17:13 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:13 | @guinea-pig> | am |
| 17:13 | NeXTer> | Good to see that someone is thinking :) |
| 17:14 | @guinea-pig> | that's my downfall |
| 17:14 | @guinea-pig> | i think too much |
| 17:14 | @mikegrb> | mikegrb!~michael@mikegrb.sponsor.oftc.net PRIVMSG #linode :hey wassup, yo! |
| 17:14 | @guinea-pig> | i'm gonna be an 80-year-old virgin some day |
| 17:14 | @guinea-pig> | except i'll never live to be that old |
| 17:15 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:15 | @caker> | Got our new class C this morning |
| 17:15 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 17:15 | @guinea-pig> | heh |
| 17:15 | @adamg> | for which dc |
| 17:15 | @guinea-pig> | all of 'em! |
| 17:15 | @caker> | He |
| 17:15 | @guinea-pig> | HE(h) |
| 17:16 | @guinea-pig> | i bet someone can read my mind |
| 17:16 | * | tjfontaine stops real quick |
| 17:16 | tjfontaine> | I'm sorry I just do it out of habit guinea-pig |
| 17:16 | @guinea-pig> | please, share |
| 17:17 | NeXTer> | guinea-pig: Had to stop after the first page... Started yawning |
| 17:17 | @guinea-pig> | ouch |
| 17:17 | tjfontaine> | isnt' Class C private? |
| 17:17 | @mikegrb> | NeXTer++ |
| 17:17 | inkblot> | ha ha |
| 17:17 | @guinea-pig> | and totally not right for my state of mind |
| 17:17 | @mikegrb> | tjfontaine: only certain class C's |
| 17:17 | @adamg> | only the 192.168.100 block |
| 17:17 | @guinea-pig> | CUZ IM SILLY DAMNIT! |
| 17:17 | tjfontaine> | what about 10.10.10. |
| 17:17 | inkblot> | <@inkblot> Dumont, class c |
| 17:17 | inkblot> | <+Dumont> class c is /24 address blocks |
| 17:17 | inkblot> | <@inkblot> Dumont, class c |
| 17:17 | inkblot> | <+Dumont> class c is 192.0.0.0/3 |
| 17:17 | inkblot> | <@inkblot> Dumont, class c |
| 17:17 | inkblot> | <+Dumont> the users say that class c is 192-223.*.*.* |
| 17:18 | @caker> | 10.0.0.0 is private, I think, no? |
| 17:18 | tjfontaine> | caker: yes |
| 17:18 | inkblot> | 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 17:18 | @adamg> | yep but that is a class A |
| 17:18 | @guinea-pig> | doesn't make it a class c |
| 17:18 | @mikegrb> | sighup: class c |
| 17:18 | sighup> | mikegrb: excuse me? |
| 17:18 | @mikegrb> | hmm |
| 17:18 | tjfontaine> | I see |
| 17:18 | tjfontaine> | I see |
| 17:18 | inkblot> | it is *a* class a |
| 17:18 | @mikegrb> | sighup: ip address |
| 17:18 | sighup> | ip address is The specific network address of a computer on a network using TCP/IP as its network protocol. |
| 17:18 | inkblot> | there are many |
| 17:18 | inkblot> | likewise b and c |
| 17:18 | NeXTer> | Classes were obsoleted years ago |
| 17:18 | @caker> | I think class C is old terminology .. this is a /32 |
| 17:18 | inkblot> | they sure were |
| 17:18 | @mikegrb> | heh yes |
| 17:18 | inkblot> | cidr cooks my emergency bacon |
| 17:18 | @caker> | er /24 |
| 17:18 | tjfontaine> | its about where the * is placed in ip.<*>.<*>.<*> |
| 17:19 | tjfontaine> | thats a question |
| 17:19 | tjfontaine> | heh |
| 17:19 | inkblot> | tjfontaine, are you familiar with /n notation? |
| 17:19 | tjfontaine> | not enough to be honest |
| 17:19 | inkblot> | it's a reference to the netmask |
| 17:19 | tjfontaine> | right |
| 17:19 | NeXTer> | Indicates the number of 1's in the netmask |
| 17:19 | * | mikegrb just knows it has to do with how many bits are unique |
| 17:19 | @guinea-pig> | netmask. those are scary |
| 17:20 | inkblot> | /24 means the first 24 bits are set |
| 17:20 | @mikegrb> | yeah |
| 17:20 | @mikegrb> | that's it |
| 17:20 | tjfontaine> | so whats /n for 255.255.255.224? |
| 17:20 | inkblot> | tjfontaine, you tell me |
| 17:20 | NeXTer> | /28 |
| 17:20 | NeXTer> | Or something |
| 17:20 | inkblot> | NeXTer, how do you know, tjfontaine has said yet |
| 17:21 | tjfontaine> | blah |
| 17:21 | inkblot> | the point is that classes were constraining |
| 17:21 | inkblot> | there were only three of them that could be allocated in blocks |
| 17:21 | @mikegrb> | /n gives more possibilities |
| 17:21 | inkblot> | class a address blocks are /8 |
| 17:22 | inkblot> | class b are /16 |
| 17:22 | inkblot> | and class c are 24 |
| 17:22 | inkblot> | cidr lets you pick arbitrary powers of 2 |
| 17:22 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 17:22 | NeXTer> | And to confuse matters even more, classes used to refer to which segment of ###.*.*.* you were in :P |
| 17:23 | tjfontaine> | heh |
| 17:23 | inkblot> | for instance, if you have a block of 8 ip addresses from your isp |
| 17:23 | inkblot> | that's a /29 netblock |
| 17:23 | inkblot> | that wasn't possible with classful routing |
| 17:23 | inkblot> | so, the other strange thing about classes |
| 17:24 | inkblot> | is that they each also refered to specific chunks of the entire ip address space |
| 17:24 | inkblot> | class a blocks all came from ... |
| 17:24 | * | inkblot looks it up |
| 17:24 | NeXTer> | 0-24 |
| 17:24 | @guinea-pig> | at&t? |
| 17:24 | inkblot> | <+Dumont> class a is 0.0.0.0/1 |
| 17:24 | @guinea-pig> | :p |
| 17:24 | inkblot> | <+Dumont> the users say that class b is 128-191.*.*.* |
| 17:25 | inkblot> | which is 128.0.0.0/2 |
| 17:25 | EFudd> | no. |
| 17:25 | inkblot> | etc |
| 17:25 | inkblot> | EFudd, yes |
| 17:25 | NeXTer> | http://www.info-discovery.com/solaris/html/node199.html |
| 17:26 | NeXTer> | There ya go |
| 17:26 | * | EFudd just likes arguing |
| 17:26 | EFudd> | :-) |
| 17:26 | @adamg> | if only they never had the class system we wouldnt be in the state we are in now |
| 17:26 | inkblot> | so, anyway, |
| 17:26 | inkblot> | ever since it was obsoleted, |
| 17:26 | inkblot> | and even sometimes before |
| 17:26 | inkblot> | people have used the term "class c" to refer to any /24 address block |
| 17:27 | inkblot> | even though technically the class c addresses blocks only come from a particular range |
| 17:27 | inkblot> | [end trivia][end trivia] |
| 17:29 | NeXTer> | Isn't networking fun? |
| 17:29 | @adamg> | oh yeah |
| 17:29 | inkblot> | yes |
| 17:29 | inkblot> | very much so |
| 17:30 | NeXTer> | Especially with all the different terms that refer to the same things, and the same terms refering to different things... Makes for excellent opportunities for confusing the heck out of mere mortals |
| 17:31 | inkblot> | thanks for implying that i'm a god |
| 17:31 | inkblot> | i appreciate it |
| 17:31 | @adamg> | but all of computing is like that |
| 17:32 | NeXTer> | Oh, sure, but with networking you can trip up even people who know quite a lot about computers, which is even more fun that cunfusing people who don't know anything at all |
| 17:42 | * | sjansen prefers to leave networking to others |
| 17:45 | NeXTer> | Networking is something that just seems to happen for me... Every now and then something just materializes on the LAN out of thin air |
| 17:54 | = | sighup [~sighup@webuser.thegrebs.com] quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 17:55 | @adamg> | so who killed the bot |
| 17:55 | inkblot> | dumont |
| 17:55 | inkblot> | he was jealous |
| 17:55 | NeXTer> | It's called "retiring" |
| 18:09 | @caker> | Anyone have a suggestion for something I can use to consume memory, specifically to the point where it starts swapping? |
| 18:10 | NeXTer> | SpamAssassin? :P |
| 18:10 | @adamg> | load a large file into memory |
| 18:10 | @caker> | adamg: how? |
| 18:10 | @caker> | should I just write a small C app to malloc? |
| 18:11 | @adamg> | that should work |
| 18:12 | @adamg> | or install apache and tell it to spawn loads of processes |
| 18:13 | @caker> | I could mount a tmpfs dir the size of (ram+swap) and then dd a file into it |
| 18:13 | @adamg> | basically a ramdisk then |
| 18:23 | EFudd> | http://www.pbase.com/images/24017078.original.jpg |
| 18:23 | EFudd> | that's cool |
| 18:24 | NeXTer> | Heh |
| 18:24 | EFudd> | http://www.theregister.com/content/61/34523.html |
| 18:24 | EFudd> | that is unfortunate. |
| 18:25 | NeXTer> | Why so? |
| 18:26 | EFudd> | :-) |
| 18:26 | EFudd> | emc will kill it and use it for internal stuff |
| 18:28 | NeXTer> | There have been indications to that end? |
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| --- | Log | opened Mon Dec 15 18:38:40 2003 |
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| 18:38 | @adamg> | wb |
| 18:39 | @mikegrb> | thanks :) |
| 18:39 | @mikegrb> | closed the wrong window :/ |
| 18:39 | @guinea-pig> | WB WE MISSD YOU LOLZ |
| 18:40 | * | mikegrb looks around |
| 18:40 | @guinea-pig> | uh oh |
| 18:40 | @guinea-pig> | he's got *that* look again |
| 18:40 | @mikegrb> | at least that one giu isn't here |
| 18:40 | @guinea-pig> | the last time i saw anyone with that look... it didn't look good. |
| 18:41 | @caker> | sighup? |
| 18:42 | * | mikegrb kicks sighup |
| 18:42 | @guinea-pig> | sighup burps |
| 18:42 | @adamg> | sighup left along time ago |
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| 18:43 | @adamg> | but I did notice that host 13 and 14 are up |
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| 18:43 | @mikegrb> | sighup: ping host13.linode.com |
| 18:43 | sighup> | PING host13.linode.com (64.62.190.13) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 18:43 | sighup> | 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4724ms |
| 18:43 | sighup> | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.450/0.764/1.298/0.299 ms |
| 18:43 | @adamg> | and there is another l128 available |
| 18:43 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 18:43 | @mikegrb> | sighup: linode avail |
| 18:43 | sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 0] [Linode 96: 1] [Linode 128: 2] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0] |
| 18:43 | ElfStone> | sighup linode avail |
| 18:44 | sighup> | Linode availability -- [Linode 64: 0] [Linode 96: 1] [Linode 128: 2] [Linode 192: 0] [Linode 256: 0] |
| 18:44 | ElfStone> | >.< haha |
| 18:44 | @mikegrb> | caker: you're missing some there |
| 18:44 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 18:44 | ElfStone> | sighup whois caker |
| 18:44 | sighup> | somebody said caker was bad ass |
| 18:44 | @caker> | I'll have them online this evening |
| 18:44 | @mikegrb> | ahh |
| 18:44 | @mikegrb> | I think my friend is finally ready to get one |
| 18:45 | @adamg> | have you got a waiting list for the l64? |
| 18:45 | @caker> | kind of :) |
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| 18:47 | ElfStone> | caker wants people to want |
| 18:48 | shakrrr | is now known as shakr |
| 18:48 | @adamg> | there is nothing wrong with having a demand |
| 18:48 | ElfStone> | hehe i never said there was |
| 18:48 | @adamg> | the hardest bit is keeping on top of it |
| 18:49 | @adamg> | esp. when it is this type of business |
| 18:49 | ElfStone> | true |
| 18:50 | @caker> | mmm cisco backplane good |
| 18:50 | ElfStone> | caker you haev teh cisco ccna? |
| 18:50 | @adamg> | so did you get anywhere with HE |
| 18:51 | @caker> | Talked to them today about it, said she has to look into it w/ the tech, but sounded encouraging |
| 18:51 | @adamg> | well if they dont do something then it could look very bad for them |
| 18:51 | inkblot> | well there's got to be a breach of contract somewhere in there |
| 18:52 | inkblot> | i'm sure they know that |
| 18:52 | @caker> | I agree totally agree wrt the contract deal |
| 18:53 | @adamg> | caker: this may sound like a strange question but do you plan to put up the prices of the linodes within the next 12 mnths |
| 18:53 | @caker> | raise prices? |
| 18:54 | @adamg> | yes |
| 18:54 | @caker> | No .. |
| 18:54 | @guinea-pig> | *shudder* |
| 18:54 | ElfStone> | i hope not |
| 18:54 | inkblot> | adamg, i suspect the plan is to *meet demand* |
| 18:54 | @caker> | Are you asking because of demand? |
| 18:54 | NeXTer> | I guess most people are kinda surprised that you can provide the awesome stuff you do for such a rediculous price :P |
| 18:55 | @adamg> | I have a project and cost proposal to put together covering the next 12 mnths for a charity funding application |
| 18:55 | @caker> | 1. User Mode Linux, 2. invested in developing the control panel for automation, and 3. colo/bulk bandwidth |
| 18:55 | sjansen> | Just tell us you're making a profit and won't go away. |
| 18:56 | @guinea-pig> | i suppose you're not gonna GPL lish and the control panel, are you? |
| 18:56 | @guinea-pig> | :p |
| 18:56 | @caker> | hehe, we're in great shape |
| 18:56 | @adamg> | that would just be stupid, the control panel at least |
| 18:56 | @caker> | guinea-pig: not for a while no :) |
| 18:56 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 18:56 | @mikegrb> | much money to be had for the cp |
| 18:56 | @mikegrb> | I do not see it becoming gpl ever ;) |
| 18:57 | inkblot> | i could probably duplicate lish pretty quickly |
| 18:57 | inkblot> | but i hate writing web crap |
| 18:57 | @caker> | lish is about 20 lines of perl code :) |
| 18:57 | @adamg> | also if you had 2+ accounts could you pool the bandwidth usage |
| 18:58 | NeXTer> | Why not just move up a notch and get a second IP (if that's even needed for what you do)? |
| 18:58 | @adamg> | ? |
| 18:58 | @caker> | NeXTer: redundancy, load balancing, a few other advantages to multiple linodes |
| 18:59 | NeXTer> | Hmm... Got a point there |
| 18:59 | @caker> | When/if I get around to doing Linode HA, then pooling IPs is a possibility, too |
| 18:59 | @adamg> | the ability to have mysql and apache on different linodes is my main reason |
| 18:59 | NeXTer> | Mmmkay... |
| 19:00 | NeXTer> | I fail to see the advantage of that particular setup, but that might have something to do with it being 01 and me having a cold... |
| 19:01 | NeXTer> | Sleep sounds like a good idea... |
| 19:01 | @adamg> | what having mysql and apache seperate |
| 19:01 | NeXTer> | YA |
| 19:01 | @mikegrb> | and the mysql linode is likely to not use much bandwidth |
| 19:01 | @mikegrb> | so using for the apache one would be nice |
| 19:01 | @adamg> | one reason is security |
| 19:01 | ElfStone> | why have them separte? |
| 19:02 | @caker> | performance, and security |
| 19:02 | @adamg> | performance reasons |
| 19:02 | ElfStone> | you would be useing more bandwidth |
| 19:02 | @adamg> | no |
| 19:02 | @adamg> | not if they where both in the same dc |
| 19:02 | @caker> | The idea is bandwidth between Linodes doesn't count |
| 19:02 | @caker> | :) |
| 19:02 | ElfStone> | O.o |
| 19:02 | ElfStone> | w/e |
| 19:02 | EFudd> | can't effectivly pool bandwidth |
| 19:03 | @adamg> | but I like having database servers internal so they can not be accessed directly from the outside world |
| 19:03 | EFudd> | er.. yeah, what you guys just said |
| 19:03 | EFudd> | :-) |
| 19:03 | NeXTer> | adamg: And restricting them to loopback doesn't do the same? |
| 19:03 | @adamg> | you can also have the web server and database servers running at the same time etc, or share a single db server across multiple web servers |
| 19:04 | @adamg> | not in the same way no |
| 19:04 | EFudd> | SQL> Connected to an idle instance. |
| 19:04 | EFudd> | SQL> ORA-01078: failure in processing system parameters |
| 19:04 | EFudd> | ORA-32004: obsolete and/or deprecated parameter(s) specified |
| 19:04 | EFudd> | SQL> Disconnected |
| 19:04 | * | EFudd kicks oracle hard |
| 19:05 | NeXTer> | Hmm.. |
| 19:05 | @adamg> | which version of oracle? |
| 19:05 | EFudd> | 9201 |
| 19:05 | NeXTer> | Well, I guess you know perfectly well what you're doing :P |
| 19:05 | @adamg> | oracle 9 is a real PITA as they have removed some of the backwards compatibility |
| 19:05 | EFudd> | Ayup. |
| 19:05 | EFudd> | And it isn't forthcoming with which options are deprecated there. :-) |
| 19:06 | EFudd> | i'm aware of a few of them.. and have them removd.. but hrm. |
| 19:07 | NeXTer> | caker: Just gotta congratulate you on the whole Linode thing. Cool business model and value for money doesn't even begin to cover it :) |
| 19:07 | @mikegrb> | ~ |
| 19:07 | @caker> | Newsome: well thanks :) |
| 19:07 | @caker> | er NeXTer |
| 19:07 | @caker> | NeXTer++ |
| 19:07 | sjansen> | That's part of the reason Oracle DBA's get paid more. The pain of working with it. |
| 19:07 | * | EFudd shrugs |
| 19:08 | EFudd> | I'm paid better than the averga oracle DBA alreayd :P |
| 19:08 | @caker> | DBAs are overpaid :) |
| 19:08 | EFudd> | guess i should increase clue. |
| 19:08 | @adamg> | and most of the time they do nothing |
| 19:08 | sjansen> | Don't get me wrong. I love Oracle. |
| 19:08 | sjansen> | The mark of a good DBA is that he never does anything. Doesn't have to. |
| 19:08 | @caker> | good DBAs are worth every dime. |
| 19:08 | @guinea-pig> | rhod |
| 19:08 | @guinea-pig> | consult with the oracle! |
| 19:08 | EFudd> | // *Action: Further diagnostic information should be in the error stack. |
| 19:08 | sjansen> | Already has the database tuned and backed up. Monitors it daily. |
| 19:08 | EFudd> | Well that's nice. |
| 19:09 | * | EFudd kicks magic Error Stack |
| 19:09 | EFudd> | i've lost my partial sanity due to oracle in the last 2 days ;-) |
| 19:10 | = | sjansen [~sjansen@128.187.136.158] quit (Quit: Goodbye cruel world.) |
| 19:11 | @mikegrb> | caker: !!!! |
| 19:11 | @mikegrb> | caker: I found a bug! |
| 19:11 | @guinea-pig> | did you squish it? |
| 19:12 | @mikegrb> | only caker has the power to squish this bug |
| 19:12 | inkblot> | likewise that /proc thing |
| 19:12 | @guinea-pig> | all bow down to lord caker |
| 19:12 | @mikegrb> | caker: actually it could be because of my special case |
| 19:13 | @adamg> | you have a special case |
| 19:14 | @guinea-pig> | i have a special case. it has a window and lights |
| 19:14 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 19:14 | @mikegrb> | he did some funkyness with an ip address rdns |
| 19:15 | * | EFudd must convince sqlplus to be more verbose somehow |
| 19:15 | @adamg> | oracle is never verbose |
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| 19:32 | @adamg> | rackshack are been very generous at the momment |
| 19:32 | @adamg> | to their big customers that is |
| 19:33 | @caker> | mikegrb: what's the bug? |
| 19:33 | @mikegrb> | I can't change rdns for my second ip |
| 19:33 | @mikegrb> | though I think you did some goodness to it previously |
| 19:33 | @caker> | does it say "custom" ? |
| 19:33 | @mikegrb> | the cp doesn't even give me the option |
| 19:34 | @mikegrb> | no |
| 19:34 | @mikegrb> | I type a hostname in |
| 19:34 | @caker> | one sec, phone |
| 19:34 | @mikegrb> | click button, it says that hostname is kosher |
| 19:34 | @mikegrb> | asks if I want to set the first ip to that address yes/no |
| 19:37 | inkblot> | $10 it's HE |
| 19:37 | inkblot> | takers? |
| 19:37 | * | mikegrb |
| 19:37 | @mikegrb> | 10 says it isn't |
| 19:37 | inkblot> | you're on |
| 19:37 | @mikegrb> | paypal++ |
| 19:37 | inkblot> | <-- no paypal |
| 19:37 | @mikegrb> | oh |
| 19:37 | @mikegrb> | hmm |
| 19:37 | @mikegrb> | that complicats things a bit |
| 19:37 | @mikegrb> | we'll work it out ;) |
| 19:38 | inkblot> | caker's got both of our credit cards |
| 19:38 | @caker> | mikegrb: what's the hostname you're entering? |
| 19:39 | @caker> | I thought we marked one of your IPs custom rdns .. it should display that on the rdns page tho .. lemme see if the flag is set |
| 19:40 | @mikegrb> | I thought so too |
| 19:41 | @caker> | hrm, flag isn't set -- perhaps we removed it at some point .. what's the hostname? |
| 19:41 | @mikegrb> | the hostname I'm trying to set? |
| 19:41 | @caker> | Yeah |
| 19:42 | @mikegrb> | gentoox.sucks.use.xebian.thegrebs.com |
| 19:42 | * | mikegrb grins |
| 19:42 | @mikegrb> | muhahaha |
| 19:42 | @caker> | that resolves to .57, is that right? |
| 19:42 | @mikegrb> | oh |
| 19:42 | @mikegrb> | silly me |
| 19:42 | @mikegrb> | sorry caker |
| 19:42 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 19:42 | @mikegrb> | I'll fix that |
| 19:43 | @mikegrb> | hehehe |
| 19:43 | inkblot> | ha ha |
| 19:43 | inkblot> | caker, got a bet that needs settling |
| 19:43 | @mikegrb> | oh yes |
| 19:43 | EFudd> | SQL> ORACLE instance started. |
| 19:43 | inkblot> | caker, HE on the phone? |
| 19:43 | EFudd> | I win. |
| 19:43 | @mikegrb> | caker: who was on the phone? |
| 19:43 | EFudd> | Kinda. |
| 19:43 | inkblot> | well, if not HE, then it doesn't really matter |
| 19:44 | inkblot> | maybe we'll never know |
| 19:44 | inkblot> | :O |
| 19:44 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 19:44 | @mikegrb> | caker died :< |
| 19:44 | inkblot> | :<<<<<< |
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| 19:57 | @adamg> | time to sleep, nite all |
| 20:02 | @caker> | mikegrb: us-airways was on the phone |
| 20:02 | @mikegrb> | ! |
| 20:02 | @mikegrb> | caker++ |
| 20:02 | @mikegrb> | inkblot: pay up :) |
| 20:03 | @adamg> | going on a trip chris |
| 20:03 | @caker> | Heading to NJ for two weeks next Monday |
| 20:03 | @mikegrb> | ahh |
| 20:03 | @mikegrb> | there is a linode tour company hear |
| 20:04 | @mikegrb> | er hehre |
| 20:04 | @mikegrb> | damit |
| 20:04 | @caker> | hehe |
| 20:04 | @mikegrb> | caker: I will be in nashville around the 15th of next month |
| 20:04 | @mikegrb> | :) |
| 20:04 | @caker> | mikegrb: Been here before? |
| 20:04 | @mikegrb> | for an hour |
| 20:04 | @mikegrb> | heh |
| 20:04 | @mikegrb> | I was driving through |
| 20:04 | @mikegrb> | it was late but I hopped off I-40 to drive around down town |
| 20:04 | @caker> | is this just a layover, or are do you have time to hang? |
| 20:05 | @mikegrb> | well we are planning on spending the night and an afternoon |
| 20:05 | @mikegrb> | I don't know exactly how the timing will work |
| 20:05 | @caker> | Cool .. could do lunch or whatever if our schedules work out |
| 20:05 | @mikegrb> | we will leave tuesday and get there early wednesday and leave thursday morning or leave wednesday early and get there afternoon ish |
| 20:06 | @mikegrb> | of course caker |
| 20:06 | @caker> | Where are you guys headed? |
| 20:07 | inkblot> | damn |
| 20:07 | @mikegrb> | oklahoma city |
| 20:07 | @mikegrb> | I haven't decided which I'd rather do |
| 20:07 | @mikegrb> | leave here when I get off work and be there around 11pm and leave the next evening |
| 20:08 | @mikegrb> | or leave wednesday 1 or 2 am and get there around 10ish or so in the morning and stay till the next morning |
| 20:08 | @mikegrb> | probably the second option |
| 20:08 | @mikegrb> | haven't decided |
| 21:01 | @caker> | redhat's initscripts set hdparm's AFTER all sorts of stuff, including after the partitions are mounted rw .. |
| 21:01 | @caker> | this causes problems |
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