| --- | Log | opened Sun Nov 09 00:00:33 2003 |
| 00:39 | <sogster> | /part |
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| 00:43 | <@caker> | yo |
| 00:43 | <tjfontaine> | heya |
| 00:43 | <tjfontaine> | whats the load like on mikes host? |
| 00:44 | <@caker> | loadavg is around 1.2 |
| 00:44 | <@mikegrb> | hheh |
| 00:45 | <@mikegrb> | any peaks in i/o... like oh, particularly the times of the netsplits <g> |
| 00:45 | <tjfontaine> | :-D |
| 00:46 | <@caker> | something timeout? |
| 00:46 | <@mikegrb> | I know when I did an emerge rsync on the linode without nice'ing it down it would cause the ircd to lose it's connection |
| 00:46 | <@mikegrb> | three times this evening |
| 00:46 | <@caker> | load has been between 0 and 3 all day |
| 00:46 | <@mikegrb> | the emerge rsync only ran at around 30kbps so I assume it was i/o that caused it |
| 00:47 | <@mikegrb> | weird |
| 00:47 | <@mikegrb> | perhaps just network path funkieness out there someway in the path |
| 00:47 | <@caker> | actually, 0 and 2.8 |
| 00:47 | <@mikegrb> | I checked the little graph thingie and it looked rather low |
| 00:48 | <@caker> | is it pausing or lagging? |
| 00:49 | <@mikegrb> | well orion drops it's connection to it's upstream server |
| 00:50 | <@caker> | but because of what? time difference? timeout? |
| 00:50 | <@mikegrb> | http://greb.ods.org/output.gif <-- picture of oftc from last week |
| 00:50 | <@mikegrb> | no not time difference |
| 00:50 | <@mikegrb> | time out |
| 00:50 | <@caker> | oxygen is 22 hops from host10 at the moment |
| 00:51 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:51 | <@mikegrb> | orion needs a better upstream connection |
| 00:51 | <@caker> | 212 ms ping |
| 00:51 | <@caker> | heh |
| 00:51 | <@mikegrb> | I'll do a trace to each of the hubs |
| 00:51 | <@mikegrb> | then recomend a change to the network operations commitee |
| 00:51 | <@caker> | Do you have a choice of upstream servers? |
| 00:52 | <@caker> | ahh |
| 00:52 | | * mikegrb looks for xbox-logger |
| 00:52 | <tjfontaine> | he's dead |
| 00:52 | <@mikegrb> | dead as a doornail I presume |
| 00:52 | <sighup> | but I am still arive |
| 00:53 | <@mikegrb> | er |
| 00:53 | <@mikegrb> | alive |
| 00:53 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:55 | <@caker> | ahh, oxygen has multiple IPs .. |
| 00:55 | <@caker> | which are you connecting to? that might make a difference |
| 00:55 | <EFudd> | mike, heh, i think you are using one of wjr's tools to create that network graph |
| 00:55 | <EFudd> | wjr is also the author of smlnk |
| 00:57 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 00:57 | <@mikegrb> | the fcol guy is an netop here |
| 01:00 | | * mikegrb always feels uneasy going into a users homedir |
| 01:00 | <@mikegrb> | I guess I would make a good sysadmin |
| 01:02 | <@mikegrb> | only 11 hops to the irc server |
| 01:02 | <@caker> | which IP ? |
| 01:02 | <@mikegrb> | I believe most hubs they give rotating dns to various leaf servers |
| 01:02 | <@mikegrb> | 209.69.98.12 |
| 01:03 | <@mikegrb> | that way if someone trys to connecting to it by name they still get a server on the network |
| 01:04 | <@mikegrb> | then the actuall server gets a list of ips to actually use |
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| 01:36 | <prgmrChris> | hrmphz |
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| 03:09 | <wap> | morning |
| 03:10 | <@caker> | hello wap |
| 03:11 | <wap> | caker: I installed vncserver + icewm and it works smoothly ;) |
| 03:25 | <@caker> | awesome, was it as easy as that? |
| 03:26 | <wap> | I followed the tuto you posted about gnome, it was about the same way. I'll post a HOWTO as well. Very easy, you just need vncserver, perl, xfonts and icewm installed. |
| 03:28 | <wap> | cool thing is it's pretty fast on adsl |
| 03:28 | <@caker> | Nice -- next you should check out tightvnc |
| 03:28 | <@caker> | or is it tinyvnc |
| 03:28 | <@caker> | http://www.tightvnc.com/ |
| 03:29 | <wap> | I'm using tightvnc as the client |
| 03:29 | <@caker> | If you run it on both ends it has some crazy compression... |
| 03:31 | <wap> | and I can have putty+tightvnc on a couple of floppies, and get remote access wherever I go. I'm kind of a globetrotter, so this can be really handful |
| 03:31 | <@caker> | Cool |
| 03:32 | <@caker> | no "business card" sized cd's for you? |
| 03:33 | <wap> | could be a good idea indeed. I'm planning to go to the US for 2-3 months soon, I'll look into this :) |
| 03:34 | <@caker> | cool -- or those USB keychain things -- A friend gave me one, and I've found it pretty useful... |
| 03:34 | <wap> | yep :) I got a 128Mb one to install linux on a Xbox |
| 03:35 | <@caker> | nice |
| 03:35 | <EFudd> | you can install linux on xbox with a 128Mb USB key ? |
| 03:36 | <wap> | You need a USB key (a 64Mb one suffices) to transfer the hacked MechAssault savegame to the Xbox. That's to do the software mod. |
| 03:36 | <EFudd> | oic. |
| 03:36 | <EFudd> | i dunno much about "xbox hacking" |
| 03:37 | <wap> | I'm just interested in Linux related hacks. |
| 03:39 | <wap> | Did my very first install of Linux on a dual Win/Mandrake boot machine. And eventually everything messed up (dunno if it was Win or Mandrake fault). So when I read about Xbox Linux, I thought it could be a good learning/testing platform. Then I heard about linode :) |
| 03:39 | <wap> | Xbox Linux is great for multimedia: the Xbox has great hardware for multimedia. |
| 03:43 | <wap> | also found out that Debian is much easier and cooler than Mandrake (well, that's my viewpoint) |
| 03:53 | <EFudd> | wow |
| 03:53 | <EFudd> | just watched a video of a pikes peak run |
| 03:53 | <EFudd> | got -my- heart stopping |
| 03:53 | <EFudd> | frikkin' crazy mofos |
| 03:55 | | * wap is watching the France-Eire rugby match |
| 04:20 | <wap> | France 43 - Eire 21 :) |
| 04:22 | <EFudd> | http://www.allfours.org.au/videos/Ferrar.mpg |
| 04:25 | <wap> | heh |
| 06:11 | <sunny> | mornin' |
| 06:15 | <wap> | hello sunny |
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| 07:26 | <@guinea-pig> | hello, YoSsSi |
| 07:27 | <YoSsSi> | hello |
| 07:27 | <YoSsSi> | i have a problem |
| 07:27 | <YoSsSi> | yesterday, i buy 3 news ip but dont work.. |
| 07:28 | <@guinea-pig> | you'll have to be more specific. how don't they work? what did you try? |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | eth0:4 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FE:FD:40:3E:BE:41 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | inet addr:64.62.190.96 Bcast:64.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | collisions:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | eth0:5 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FE:FD:40:3E:BE:41 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | inet addr:64.62.190.98 Bcast:64.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | collisions:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | eth0:6 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FE:FD:40:3E:BE:41 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | inet addr:64.62.190.99 Bcast:64.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | collisions:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | lo Link encap:Local Loopback |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | RX packets:277 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | TX packets:277 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | collisions:0 |
| 07:29 | <YoSsSi> | RX bytes:60442 (59.0 Kb) TX bytes:60442 (59.0 Kb) |
| 07:30 | <YoSsSi> | this is news ip... try connect for ssh... |
| 07:30 | <YoSsSi> | dont work |
| 07:33 | <@guinea-pig> | are you using dhcp for those? |
| 07:33 | <YoSsSi> | dhcp¿ |
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| 07:34 | <@guinea-pig> | how are those interfaces being assigned those addresses? |
| 07:34 | <YoSsSi> | ifconfig eth0:1 [insert additional IP #1 here] netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 07:34 | <YoSsSi> | ifconfig eth0:2 [insert additional IP #2 here] netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 07:34 | <YoSsSi> | ... |
| 07:34 | <YoSsSi> | .. |
| 07:34 | <@guinea-pig> | aha |
| 07:36 | <@guinea-pig> | maybe you just have a different version of ifconfig than i do |
| 07:36 | <@guinea-pig> | nevermind |
| 07:37 | <YoSsSi> | the other ips working... |
| 07:37 | <YoSsSi> | but the news ip nother |
| 07:39 | <Quik> | have you restarted your linode since you bought the IPs? |
| 07:39 | <YoSsSi> | yes |
| 07:40 | <@guinea-pig> | Quik: should you need to? |
| 07:40 | <@guinea-pig> | oh maybe |
| 07:40 | <Quik> | i'm not sure |
| 07:40 | <Quik> | YoSsSi, try this: |
| 07:40 | <@guinea-pig> | caker's scripts and all that |
| 07:40 | <Quik> | go into the linode control panel |
| 07:40 | <Quik> | and click Configuration Profiles |
| 07:40 | <Quik> | then click on the Config you are using |
| 07:40 | <@guinea-pig> | oh yeah |
| 07:41 | <Quik> | and click Save Profile without changing anything |
| 07:41 | <Quik> | (all this should happen whilst your linode is shut down) |
| 07:41 | <Quik> | then restart it |
| 07:41 | <Quik> | and use the commands, and it should work fine :) |
| 07:41 | <YoSsSi> | ok |
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| 07:42 | <Quik> | make sure you shut down first |
| 07:45 | <YoSsSi> | yeah, working |
| 07:45 | <YoSsSi> | thx |
| 08:05 | <Quik> | :) |
| 08:06 | <wap> | http://24.figga.net/~oysteinl/jesus-wtf-big.jpg |
| 08:15 | <sunny> | haha |
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| 11:33 | <wap> | mikegrb: ping? |
| 11:43 | <@mikegrb> | pong! |
| 11:44 | <@guinea-gone> | poing# |
| 11:47 | <wap> | mikegrb: would you have some time to guide me through setting the irssi-proxy and stuff? |
| 11:48 | <@mikegrb> | yes actually, I would |
| 11:48 | <@mikegrb> | do you have irssi installed? |
| 11:49 | <wap> | argh phone... be back shortly (hopefully) |
| 11:49 | <@mikegrb> | I think the debian package is irssi-text |
| 11:49 | <@mikegrb> | okay |
| 11:53 | <wap> | ok. yes, I have irssi-text installed. All I did before is '/ircnet add oftc' and '/server add -auto -ircnet oftc irc.oftc.net' |
| 11:54 | <@mikegrb> | okay |
| 11:54 | <@mikegrb> | one sec |
| 11:54 | <wap> | sure |
| 11:55 | <Quik> | any idea why i am getting this? |
| 11:55 | <Quik> | ifconfig eth0:7 <my ip> netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 11:55 | <Quik> | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 11:55 | <Quik> | i have some lines like that in my startup script and they work fine |
| 11:55 | <Quik> | but i am unable to add them separately :/ |
| 11:56 | <@mikegrb> | /SET irssiproxy_password secret |
| 11:56 | <@mikegrb> | Quik: try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:56 | <@guinea-gone> | is /sbin in your path? |
| 11:56 | <@mikegrb> | right |
| 11:56 | <@guinea-gone> | are you root? |
| 11:56 | <Quik> | i am indeed |
| 11:56 | <Quik> | will try |
| 11:56 | | * guinea-gone thinks sbin should be in everyone's path |
| 11:57 | <wap> | mikegrb: do I need to be root? or I can do it as normal user? |
| 11:57 | <@adamgent> | that is shoul |
| 11:57 | <@guinea-gone> | if they aren't supposed to run it, they won't be able to. duh |
| 11:57 | <@mikegrb> | some dirstros... I think redhat is one sbin isn't in the path and isn't add when you just su to root, you have to do 'su -' |
| 11:57 | <@mikegrb> | wap: normal user |
| 11:57 | <Quik> | worked like a charm, thanks |
| 11:57 | <@mikegrb> | wap: as your user |
| 11:57 | <Quik> | i presume using down does what it says on the tin? |
| 11:58 | <@adamgent> | yes |
| 11:58 | <Quik> | k :) |
| 11:58 | <@adamgent> | use with care |
| 11:58 | <wap> | mikergb: Irssi: Unknown setting irssiproxy_password |
| 11:59 | <@mikegrb> | wap: oh do /load proxy first |
| 11:59 | <wap> | yep ;) |
| 11:59 | <wap> | ok |
| 12:00 | <@mikegrb> | wap: then after setting the password do /set irssiproxy_ports oftc=5000 |
| 12:00 | <@mikegrb> | then /save |
| 12:00 | <@mikegrb> | then just connect to yourlinode:5000 with your password |
| 12:01 | <wap> | mikegrb: which password? |
| 12:02 | <@mikegrb> | /SET irssiproxy_password secret |
| 12:02 | <wap> | '/SET irssiproxy_password secret' did I have to replace 'secret' by a passwd? |
| 12:02 | <@mikegrb> | what ever you set it to there |
| 12:02 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 12:03 | <wap> | or 'secret' is an option? |
| 12:03 | <@mikegrb> | you set it to what you want |
| 12:04 | <wap> | ok let's see if it works. brb (hopefully) |
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| 12:08 | <wap> | cool :) |
| 12:09 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 12:09 | <wap> | mikegrb: now, how can I let irssi-proxy run even when I'm not logged to my linode? |
| 12:10 | <@mikegrb> | well the easiest way is run it inside of screen |
| 12:10 | <wap> | can you walk me through this as well? |
| 12:11 | <@mikegrb> | sure thing |
| 12:11 | <@mikegrb> | I think you will really like screen |
| 12:11 | <@mikegrb> | does some nifty stuff |
| 12:11 | <@mikegrb> | one of my favorite, and certainly most used, applications |
| 12:12 | <wap> | I've seen the word often, but never leart about it yet ;) |
| 12:12 | <wap> | s/t/nt |
| 12:12 | <wap> | s/leart/learnt even |
| 12:13 | <wap> | or is it learned? lol |
| 12:13 | <@mikegrb> | one of the above |
| 12:13 | <@mikegrb> | ;) |
| 12:14 | <wap> | ok, ready when you ready ;) |
| 12:14 | <@mikegrb> | okay you need to install it if you don't have it... try 'screen --help' to see if it is there |
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| 12:15 | <wap> | erm, how can I do it without quitting irssi? |
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| 12:16 | <@mikegrb> | hmmm |
| 12:16 | <@mikegrb> | you could try /exec screen --help |
| 12:16 | <adamgent_mk2> | or open a new ssh connection |
| 12:17 | <@mikegrb> | yha |
| 12:17 | <@mikegrb> | that would prob be the better route |
| 12:17 | <@mikegrb> | once you get screen up you won't have to open more then one connection |
| 12:18 | <wap> | it's not installed. 'apt-get install screen'? |
| 12:18 | <adamgent_mk2> | yes |
| 12:18 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 12:18 | <wap> | done |
| 12:18 | <@mikegrb> | okay as your user just type screen |
| 12:19 | <@mikegrb> | you should get a shell prompt |
| 12:19 | <wap> | yep |
| 12:19 | <@mikegrb> | okay startup irssi again there and close this one |
| 12:20 | <@mikegrb> | I can give you some more pointers on the other side of the change over |
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| 12:22 | <wap> | thing is the new client connects with the former oftc settings |
| 12:22 | <wap> | so I'm wap_ there |
| 12:24 | <@mikegrb> | well right |
| 12:24 | <@mikegrb> | wap is already in use |
| 12:24 | <@mikegrb> | once you disconnect this client you can change you nick name |
| 12:24 | <wap> | ok, I'll try |
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| 12:27 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 12:27 | <wap> | ok |
| 12:28 | <@mikegrb> | all right |
| 12:28 | <@mikegrb> | all you should have to type to get the proxy up is '/load proxy' |
| 12:28 | <@mikegrb> | the other settings should be saved |
| 12:28 | <wap> | yep |
| 12:29 | | * wap nods |
| 12:29 | <@mikegrb> | the spiffy thing abt screen is you can imagine it give you multiple "windows" -- screens :) |
| 12:29 | <@mikegrb> | all screen commands are prefixed with CTRL+A |
| 12:30 | <@mikegrb> | if you need to send a real CTRL+A, do CTRL+A then a |
| 12:30 | <@mikegrb> | to create a new window try CTRL+A then c |
| 12:31 | <@mikegrb> | to switch windows CTRL+A then <space bar> |
| 12:31 | <wap> | it works ok |
| 12:32 | <@mikegrb> | also if you get disconnected everything running in screen will continue to urn |
| 12:32 | <@mikegrb> | s/ur/ru/ |
| 12:32 | <wap> | spiffy indeed |
| 12:32 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 12:32 | <@mikegrb> | you can also manually detatch the session |
| 12:33 | <@mikegrb> | that is CTRL+A then d |
| 12:33 | <@mikegrb> | to get back |
| 12:33 | <@mikegrb> | it will 'exit' screen but everything is still running |
| 12:33 | <wap> | let me see, I'll log with mIRC and close my ssh session |
| 12:33 | <@mikegrb> | to get back 'screen -r' |
| 12:33 | <@mikegrb> | 'screen -r' == reattatch it is the same command you would type if you disconnect and then reconnect |
| 12:34 | <wap> | :) using mIRC now |
| 12:35 | <wap> | Linux really lets you do great stuff :) |
| 12:35 | <@adamgent> | mikegrb you should eight a guide on how to use screen |
| 12:36 | <@adamgent> | s/eight/write |
| 12:36 | | * mikegrb should write a lot of guides |
| 12:37 | <@mikegrb> | screen is a good one though |
| 12:37 | <@mikegrb> | hadn't thought about it |
| 12:37 | <@adamgent> | the man pages for screen are very hard to follow |
| 12:38 | <@mikegrb> | yha |
| 12:39 | <@mikegrb> | I've picked most stuff up just by trying stuff in the online help |
| 12:43 | <wap> | mikegrb: I think I get it all working nicely now :) Really spiffy |
| 12:44 | <@mikegrb> | indeed |
| 12:44 | <wap> | just wanna try something. brb. |
| 12:45 | <@mikegrb> | okay |
| 12:46 | <wap> | mikegrb: well, a big _thanks_ to you for your time and patience :) |
| 12:46 | <wap> | I'd give you karma if sighup was around ;) |
| 12:47 | <@mikegrb> | oh shit |
| 12:47 | <@mikegrb> | one sec ;) |
| 12:47 | <wap> | lol |
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| 12:47 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 12:47 | <wap> | mikegrb++ |
| 12:47 | <@mikegrb> | better ? |
| 12:53 | <wap> | mikegrb: please leave my account on your linode as I'll want to have a look at my .irssi/config there. I'll let you know when I'm done with this, ok? |
| 12:53 | <@mikegrb> | no problem |
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| 12:54 | <@mikegrb> | anything good on? |
| 12:56 | | * adamgent is watching snatch |
| 12:56 | | * adamgent adam |
| 12:56 | <@adamgent> | opps |
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| 13:12 | <sunny> | adamg: great movie |
| 13:18 | <@mikegrb> | "Looks as though Ubi Soft is making a Matrix MMORPG. Everything is still pretty sketchy now that Revolutions has "ended" the series, but so far it seems pretty interesting. I wonder when the game will be placed (i.e. before Revolutions or after) but this could be the way the Wachowski brothers keep the universe going and how it will end. Pretty cool if you ask me." |
| 13:18 | | * mikegrb doesn't like MMORPGs |
| 13:18 | <@mikegrb> | maybe /me is going to have to start liking them |
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| 14:13 | <@caker> | CFQ is looking awesome -- someone coded ionice -- allows you to set nice levels on I/O requests, essentially.. |
| 14:14 | <@adamg> | nice |
| 14:14 | <@caker> | But each level means something .. |
| 14:14 | <@caker> | ionice 0 means only run when there are idle requests |
| 14:14 | <@caker> | ... 19 = real time, it wins no matter what |
| 14:14 | <@caker> | (kind of reversed from nice, but whatever) |
| 14:14 | <@adamg> | so you need something in the middle for the linode thens |
| 14:14 | <@caker> | I think the default ionice for new processes is 10 |
| 14:15 | <@caker> | which allocates up to 70% of bandwidth |
| 14:15 | <@caker> | pretty freaking cool |
| 14:15 | <@adamg> | sounds good |
| 14:15 | <@caker> | I love being on the lkml |
| 14:15 | <@adamg> | lkml? |
| 14:15 | <@caker> | I can read about stuff NOW, rather than having to wait for some writeup |
| 14:15 | <@caker> | linux kernel mailing list |
| 14:15 | <@caker> | its way high volume |
| 14:15 | <@adamg> | been on that for the last few months, got 30000+ emails from it |
| 14:16 | <@caker> | yeah hehe |
| 14:16 | <@adamg> | make that 45000+ |
| 14:16 | <@caker> | I have to purge it every now and then .. |
| 14:16 | <@adamg> | i have never had a problem storing them all |
| 14:17 | <@adamg> | not bad in 6 mnths |
| 14:17 | <@adamg> | although I do not get much chance to read most of the mails |
| 14:17 | <@caker> | I mostly mark all of them read at night, and throughout the day read the new ones that I'm interested in |
| 14:18 | <@adamg> | so when cfq is implemented it will sort out the io problems |
| 14:18 | <@caker> | It's designed for loads exactly like ours |
| 14:18 | <@adamg> | so when do you think you will be able to implement it |
| 14:19 | <@caker> | We've got two issues, really .. one of them is first priority |
| 14:19 | <@caker> | that's the "one uml starving the rest" scenario |
| 14:19 | <@caker> | It only happens when the UML is swapping like mad |
| 14:19 | <@adamg> | which is the worst one |
| 14:19 | <@caker> | and only affects the lower-end Linodes without much RAM |
| 14:20 | <@adamg> | but which are the most common |
| 14:20 | <@caker> | the other problem is just the short 'pauses' that people can feel |
| 14:20 | <@caker> | I'm most interested in eliminating any one thing that an UML can do and have it affect other UMLs on the host |
| 14:21 | <@adamg> | so the hogging of the io queue then |
| 14:21 | <@caker> | I considered making host11 use the new 2.6.0-test9 kernel -- I spent some time working up a good 2.6 kernel |
| 14:21 | <@caker> | I want to give 2.6 and cfq a little more time to mature |
| 14:22 | <@caker> | (or break) |
| 14:22 | <@caker> | The 'insane swapping slowdown' only has happened a handful of times |
| 14:22 | <@caker> | People have either upgraded or fixed their config probs |
| 14:23 | <@caker> | But, the fact that it CAN happen is what makes me uneasy |
| 14:23 | <@adamg> | it should onlyu really happen when people either get a new distro installed or start an io loop |
| 14:24 | <@caker> | There's something about the interaction with the UML kernel when it's swapping that makes it different than just, say, coping large amounts of data around within a Linode |
| 14:24 | <@adamg> | and thus the slowdown |
| 14:25 | <@caker> | right .. but I would bet you can't even tell when someone else is just doing 'normal' i/o (like copying files) |
| 14:25 | <@caker> | ? |
| 14:25 | <@adamg> | probably not, it is just when things are swapping in and out |
| 14:25 | <@adamg> | ie sshd |
| 14:26 | <@caker> | The swapping I'm talking about is caused by low-memory, where Apache needs to read from mysql, but not enough RAM, so mysql gets swapped. and in order for mysql to run, it has to swap out and swap apache back in, and the cycle goes on and on |
| 14:27 | <@adamg> | ok |
| 14:27 | <@adamg> | and alot of web sites are db based |
| 14:27 | <@caker> | 'normal' swapping is ok too, in the same category as normal disk I/O (copying files, etc) |
| 14:30 | <@adamg> | ok |
| 14:33 | <@caker> | Perhaps I'll place 2.6 and CFQ on one of the next new machines |
| 14:34 | <@adamg> | would be based on one of the 64 machines |
| 14:34 | <@caker> | Yes |
| 14:42 | <sunny> | maybe it would be possible to get some extra performance by running the hosts on raid5 instead of raid1 ? |
| 14:43 | <@caker> | sunny: only two disks per host at the moment |
| 14:43 | <@caker> | but yeah, I was putting some thought into that for future builds |
| 14:43 | <@adamg> | raid 10 would be best |
| 14:43 | <@caker> | solid state |
| 14:44 | <@caker> | SCSI drives are just too expensive |
| 14:44 | <sunny> | just get some cheap, large IDE/SATA drives ... lots of them, for the redundacy, heh |
| 14:44 | <@adamg> | you can run raid 10 with ide, you just run out of buses |
| 14:45 | <@caker> | these mobo's I get have an 'expansion' slot for ide raid, I believe .. plus pci-x or whatever it's called |
| 14:46 | <@adamg> | in the end the more spindles the better |
| 14:47 | <@caker> | think it would still be beneficial if two drives are on the same channel? |
| 14:48 | <@adamg> | with raid 1 i tend to put a drive on each channel |
| 14:48 | <@caker> | But if I did a raid 5, one drive on one channel, other two drives on same channel .. |
| 14:48 | <@adamg> | within reason yes |
| 14:48 | <@caker> | hrm |
| 14:48 | <EFudd> | shrek 2 trailer is out. yay ! |
| 14:49 | <@adamg> | it would add an extra drive for io efficency but it would not really increase the redundency |
| 14:50 | <@caker> | right -- drive goes down, channel goes with it (so I've heard) |
| 14:50 | <@adamg> | if a drive does down the channel should still be there, but once it goes the raid system will start to rebuild the other 2 drives and thus would kill the io |
| 14:51 | <@adamg> | s/does/goes |
| 14:51 | <@caker> | wouldn't it just mark that drive down until you replaced it and raidhotadd or whatever? |
| 14:51 | <@adamg> | no |
| 14:51 | <@caker> | There's no spare to rebuild on, so not sure what rebuilding you're talking about |
| 14:51 | <@adamg> | it has to start to rebuild the missing data on to the two existing drives |
| 14:52 | <@caker> | it uses checksums on the fly to recreate the missing data on the fly |
| 14:52 | <@caker> | can I say 'on the fly' again? |
| 14:52 | <@adamg> | which really slows things down |
| 14:52 | <@caker> | ahh I gotcha |
| 14:52 | <@adamg> | and software raid 5 is really slow |
| 14:53 | <@caker> | hrm |
| 14:53 | <sunny> | I have software raid 5 ... its decent |
| 14:54 | <sunny> | but I think below 4 drives it isn't worth it |
| 14:54 | <@adamg> | you would be better off placing 4 drives in each machine, raid 1 it, so you have 2 pairs and split the linodes across the drives |
| 14:54 | <sunny> | 3 drives for data, which is only 2 under raid 5 .. and the last for spare |
| 14:54 | <sunny> | so it doesn't make sense unless you have 5+ drives |
| 14:56 | <@adamg> | raid 0+1 or raid 53 may be useful |
| 14:56 | <@caker> | adamg: I've thought about that, too (seperate drives) |
| 14:57 | <@adamg> | in the end raid 1 should be more than enough for the linodes, it is up to uses to backup their servers all you are protecting against is a drive failure |
| 14:58 | <@adamg> | so two raid 1 pairs would probably be best |
| 14:59 | <@adamg> | but I think trying to get cdq sorted is the best and certainly the cheapest way to go |
| 15:00 | <@caker> | Right -- it's designed exactly for this type of workload |
| 15:00 | <@adamg> | you can always try cdq and if that does not work try something else |
| 15:00 | <@caker> | Interestingly enough, it's kept up with, or done better than the Anticipatory I/O scheduler |
| 15:00 | <@caker> | so it just might end up being the default in 2.6 ... |
| 15:01 | <@adamg> | well all you can do it to try it |
| 15:02 | <@caker> | afk for a bit |
| 15:59 | <@mikegrb> | hahahahaha |
| 15:59 | <@mikegrb> | scrable turnament on espn |
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| 17:43 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: you around? |
| 17:43 | <@mikegrb> | no |
| 17:44 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:44 | <@mikegrb> | I dunno |
| 17:44 | <@caker> | yo |
| 17:44 | <@caker> | messing with his script .. wondering about a few things |
| 17:44 | <@mikegrb> | caker: you been in moocows lately? there's a new addition |
| 17:44 | <@mikegrb> | "cheatbot" |
| 17:44 | <@caker> | oh? how so? |
| 17:44 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:44 | <@mikegrb> | it sees the questions triviabot asks and notices the channel with the answer |
| 17:45 | <@caker> | hahaha |
| 17:45 | <@caker> | So it always wins, eh? |
| 17:45 | <@mikegrb> | well it sends notices so the bot doesn't accept it as an answer |
| 17:46 | <@mikegrb> | but the people in the channel sees it |
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| 18:00 | <Quik> | caker - migrating in a few minutes but i don't need my disk images ;) |
| 18:30 | <Quik> | - resize failed resize2fs 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) resize2fs: No space left on device while trying to resize /linodes/quik/2465.fs |
| 18:30 | <Quik> | :// |
| 18:45 | <@caker> | ok |
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| 18:50 | | * Quik prods caker |
| 18:51 | <@mikegrb> | hey now |
| 18:51 | <@mikegrb> | there will be none of that going on |
| 18:51 | | * Quik glares at mikegrb |
| 18:51 | <@adamg> | well not in public anyway |
| 18:51 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 18:52 | <Quik> | someone stole 500mb of space! ;( |
| 18:57 | -!- | JyNX is now known as JyNX|eating` |
| 19:00 | <@mikegrb> | mmmm food |
| 19:00 | | * mikegrb heads to burger king |
| 19:12 | <@caker> | 358400 * 4096 / 1024 / 1024 |
| 19:12 | <sighup> | 1400 |
| 19:19 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 19:19 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: good boy |
| 19:19 | <sighup> | thanks mikegrb :) |
| 19:20 | <@mikegrb> | caker: looks like mythtv -> dvd is going to be easier then I expected |
| 19:20 | <@mikegrb> | it uses a modified video format, you can't play it's videos in mplayer and what not |
| 19:21 | <@mikegrb> | avidemux2 which I needed to use anyway at the beginning of the process read in the mythtv file just fine though :) |
| 19:32 | <@caker> | How can I determine the block size of a filesystem? |
| 19:33 | <@adamg> | i think something /proc lists it |
| 19:33 | <@caker> | only if it's mounted, though? |
| 19:33 | <@caker> | lemme see |
| 19:34 | <sunny> | mikegrb: why not use VLC ? and grab the tv stream and encode it to mpeg2 ? |
| 19:34 | <@adamg> | df will list the amount of 1k blocks |
| 19:35 | <@caker> | Yeah, but that doesn't tell me if the filesystem uses 1k blocks or 4k or 8k ... |
| 19:35 | <@caker> | when it was created with mkfs.ext2/3 |
| 19:35 | <@mikegrb> | sunny: cause this is pre-recorded video |
| 19:37 | <@adamg> | not really sure as with mkfs if you do not specify a block size it is determined by the fs size and expected usage |
| 19:37 | <@caker> | right, it picks one :) |
| 19:37 | <@caker> | I want to know which one it used after the fact |
| 19:38 | <@mikegrb> | ask it <g> |
| 19:38 | <@mikegrb> | maybe fsck? |
| 19:38 | | * mikegrb looks |
| 19:38 | | * mikegrb wants to know now :) |
| 19:38 | <@caker> | file doens't tell me |
| 19:40 | <@caker> | Ok, I can look at the overall size of the 'partition' (or disk image, really) and then check the output of fsck |
| 19:40 | <@caker> | and calculate the difference |
| 19:40 | <@caker> | [root@host8 fs][root@host8 fs]# fsck.ext3 -v test |
| 19:40 | <@caker> | e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) |
| 19:40 | <@caker> | test: clean, 11401/20240 files, 72363/80896 blocks |
| 19:40 | <@caker> | [root@host8 fs][root@host8 fs]# ll test |
| 19:40 | <@caker> | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 82837504 Nov 9 19:40 test |
| 19:41 | <@caker> | 80896 * 1024 |
| 19:41 | <sighup> | 82837504 |
| 19:41 | <@caker> | bingo |
| 19:41 | <@caker> | 1k blocks |
| 19:41 | <@caker> | whereas |
| 19:41 | <@caker> | [root@host8 fs][root@host8 fs]# fsck.ext3 redhat-9.0-small-1.1 |
| 19:41 | <@caker> | e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) |
| 19:41 | <@caker> | redhat-9.0-small-1.1: clean, 40757/70400 files, 132278/140544 blocks |
| 19:41 | <@caker> | [root@host8 fs][root@host8 fs]# ll redhat-9.0-small-1.1 |
| 19:41 | <@caker> | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 575668224 Nov 9 19:41 redhat-9.0-small-1.1 |
| 19:42 | <@caker> | 140544 * 4096 |
| 19:42 | <sighup> | 575668224 |
| 19:42 | <@caker> | 4k blocks... |
| 19:42 | <@caker> | bug in resizer :) grats to Quik for finding that one |
| 19:44 | <sunny> | caker: tune2fs -l /dev/xxx ? |
| 19:44 | <@caker> | oo lemme see |
| 19:45 | <sunny> | just grep for size, heh |
| 19:45 | <@caker> | Hey, that is really useful (-l opt) .. thanks |
| 19:46 | <sunny> | np |
| 19:47 | | * sunny wanders back in the world of chemistry ... where the H+ atoms have lost their protons and don't know where to find them ... |
| 19:48 | <@guinea-pig> | an ion walks into a bar and says "i think i left an electron here lastnight" |
| 19:49 | <@guinea-pig> | and the bartender says "are you positive?" |
| 19:49 | <sunny> | hahahahaha |
| 19:50 | <@mikegrb> | that is awesome |
| 19:52 | <@guinea-pig> | yes, we are geeks |
| 19:56 | <@adamg> | why is writing functional specs so boring |
| 19:57 | | * mikegrb just added that to bash.org |
| 19:58 | <@guinea-pig> | oh dear. i can't take credit |
| 19:58 | <@guinea-pig> | i learned it from zoltan the just adequate |
| 20:00 | <@mikegrb> | yhea! |
| 20:00 | <@mikegrb> | the rocket show is on discobery channel right now |
| 20:01 | <@guinea-pig> | oh |
| 20:01 | <@guinea-pig> | it's time for the changing of the hour |
| 20:01 | | * guinea-pig leaves |
| 20:01 | <@adamg> | in the us it might be, in the uk it is extreme machines |
| 20:01 | <@mikegrb> | what can beat a port-a-potty with rockets stapped on |
| 20:01 | <@guinea-pig> | (my computer turns into a pumpkin at midnight) |
| 20:01 | <@mikegrb> | oh I'm sorry adamg |
| 20:02 | <@mikegrb> | it looks really spiffy |
| 20:02 | <@mikegrb> | "rocket challenge" |
| 20:02 | <@mikegrb> | check your local listings ;) |
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| 20:30 | <@caker> | heading off to see the matrix |
| 20:32 | <@guinea-pig> | damn you |
| 20:34 | <@mikegrb> | have fun |
| 20:35 | <@adamg> | enjoy |
| 20:42 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: reset |
| 20:42 | <sighup> | mikegrb: i'm not following you... |
| 20:42 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: reset! |
| 20:42 | <sighup> | mikegrb: Okay. |
| 20:42 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: shutup |
| 20:42 | <sighup> | Sorry, mikegrb, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 20:49 | <sunny> | gah |
| 20:49 | <sunny> | my gf killed the chem joke |
| 20:49 | <@adamg> | well thats no fun |
| 20:49 | <sunny> | (20:42:38) Malini: no u dork |
| 20:49 | <sunny> | (20:42:42) Malini: hell ne neutral or still neg |
| 20:49 | <sunny> | (20:43:00) Malini: otherwise an ion could not have walked into the bar |
| 20:49 | <sunny> | (20:43:34) Malini: ITS WRONG |
| 20:49 | <sunny> | (20:45:00) Malini: if its a cation |
| 20:49 | <sunny> | (20:45:12) Malini: and he left an electron hell be even more positive |
| 20:50 | <sunny> | (20:45:22) Malini: but thats just weird cuz itll want to keep the e- it has |
| 20:50 | <sunny> | (20:45:27) Malini: interesting.... |
| 20:50 | <@mikegrb> | heheheheh |
| 20:50 | <@mikegrb> | malini++ |
| 20:50 | <@mikegrb> | malini is sunny's girlfriend |
| 20:50 | <@mikegrb> | malini++ |
| 20:51 | <@mikegrb> | (that way if someone ask who that is sighup can answer) |
| 20:51 | <sunny> | haha |
| 20:51 | <sunny> | actually ... shes a unix using gf :) |
| 20:51 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: forget malini |
| 20:51 | <sighup> | mikegrb, I didn't have anything matching malini |
| 20:51 | <@mikegrb> | hmmm |
| 20:51 | <sunny> | she understands basic shell syntax |
| 20:51 | <sunny> | http://www.opencurve.org/~malini/ |
| 20:52 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: malini is sunny's unix using girlfriend, I belive her site is at http://www.opencurce.org/~malini/ |
| 20:52 | <sighup> | OK, mikegrb. |
| 20:52 | <@mikegrb> | sighup: who is malini? |
| 20:52 | <sighup> | malini is probably sunny's unix using girlfriend, I belive her site is at http://www.opencurce.org/~malini/ |
| 20:52 | <@mikegrb> | sunny: if you ask it should say malini is your unix.... |
| 20:53 | <@mikegrb> | oh and malini++ for that |
| 20:56 | <@adamg> | oh well time to get some sleep |
| 20:56 | <@mikegrb> | 'night |
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| 21:22 | <@mikegrb> | bye JyNX |
| 22:16 | <@mikegrb> | everybody listen up! |
| 22:17 | <@mikegrb> | http://bash.org/?172151 <- guinea-pig and sunny is famouse |
| 22:25 | <sunny> | haha |
| 22:25 | <sunny> | thanks man |
| 22:25 | <sunny> | nite man |
| 22:30 | <@mikegrb> | cya |
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| 23:45 | <@mikegrb> | port 123? |
| 23:45 | <sighup> | somebody said port 123 was ntp - Network Time Protocol |
| 23:45 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 23:45 | <@mikegrb> | he knows all common ports now :) |
| 23:46 | <EFudd> | who doens't!? :P |
| 23:46 | <EFudd> | actually, i don't anymore. |
| 23:46 | <EFudd> | easier to know how to find it than know them verbatim |
| 23:46 | <@mikegrb> | 2,753 ports <-- just learned him good |
| 23:46 | <@mikegrb> | heh yes |
| 23:46 | <@mikegrb> | always more important to know where to find something |
| 23:47 | | * EFudd snickers at electron joke |
| 23:48 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 23:51 | <@caker> | matrix 3 > matrix 2 |
| 23:51 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 23:51 | <EFudd> | ;) |
| 23:51 | <@caker> | to use EFudd's syntax |
| 23:51 | <@mikegrb> | I'm not sure about 3 and 1 |
| 23:52 | <@mikegrb> | I think 1 is better |
| 23:52 | <@caker> | 1 is in a class of it's own |
| 23:52 | <heidi> | I like three a lot |
| 23:52 | <@mikegrb> | much more thought provoking |
| 23:52 | <heidi> | 2 was stupid |
| 23:52 | <EFudd> | matrix 6 > (1 || 2 || 3) |
| 23:52 | <EFudd> | how's that. :P |
| 23:52 | <@mikegrb> | I literally left the theater going whoa that is fsking crazy |
| 23:52 | | * EFudd didn't want to make it complicated enough to include any combination of the RHS |
| 23:52 | <@mikegrb> | after 1 |
| 23:52 | <EFudd> | matrix 6 == 3+2+1 |
| 23:52 | <@mikegrb> | oh heh |
| 23:53 | <@mikegrb> | matrix 6 > * indeed |
| 23:53 | <EFudd> | matrix 3! > matrix 6 tho. |
| 23:53 | <EFudd> | and matrix 3! > matrix 2^3 |
| 23:53 | | * mikegrb cant wait for the boxed set |
| 23:53 | <heidi> | you already have 1 |
| 23:53 | <@mikegrb> | so |
| 23:53 | <heidi> | you don't need the boxed set |
| 23:53 | <EFudd> | boxed sets are > uniques tho |
| 23:53 | <@mikegrb> | special features! |
| 23:53 | <EFudd> | rar ! |
| 23:53 | <EFudd> | man |
| 23:53 | <EFudd> | my corvette left me on the side of the road /again/ |
| 23:53 | <heidi> | what would you do with 1 |
| 23:54 | <EFudd> | 2x in 1 week |
| 23:54 | <@mikegrb> | be cheaper then buying the last too seperate |
| 23:54 | <heidi> | maybe |
| 23:54 | <@mikegrb> | er s/too/two/ |
| 23:54 | <heidi> | maybe not |
| 23:54 | <@mikegrb> | prob so |
| 23:54 | <@mikegrb> | well |
| 23:54 | <@mikegrb> | close at least |
| 23:54 | | * mikegrb waits for mplayer to compile |
| 23:54 | <EFudd> | can always give away matrix1 to someone to get them hooked ;) |
| 23:54 | <heidi> | we already spent money on the first one |
| 23:54 | <@mikegrb> | no |
| 23:54 | <@mikegrb> | I spent money on one |
| 23:54 | <@mikegrb> | ;) |
| 23:54 | <heidi> | I bought it for you when you were sick you dork |
| 23:55 | <heidi> | with my money |
| 23:55 | <@mikegrb> | are you sure? |
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