| --- | Log | opened Mon Nov 03 00:00:45 2003 |
| --- | Day | changed Mon Nov 03 2003 |
| 00:00 | -!- | sogster [~sogster@ip68-107-234-16.om.om.cox.net] has joined #linode |
| 00:03 | <@mikegrb> | hello sogster |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | may I call you Agent S? |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | hola |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | greetings caker |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | my xbox works :) |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | woohoo! |
| 00:04 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | Was it a pita to fix after getting the bios chip(?) ? |
| 00:05 | <@mikegrb> | this modchip has spring loaded pins, you line it up and the light is supposed to change to green when properly aligned... it also has three sight holes that are suposed to be lindes up with points on the mother board |
| 00:05 | <@mikegrb> | if the points were lined up the light wouldn't turn gree |
| 00:06 | <@mikegrb> | I'd wiggle it a good 5-10 cm off site before the light changed... and then it diddn't work |
| 00:06 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine suggest fuck the light just line it by the holes |
| 00:06 | <@caker> | hmm sounds like it was a pita |
| 00:06 | <@mikegrb> | gave that a whirl and bingo |
| 00:06 | <@mikegrb> | heh yes |
| 00:06 | <sogster> | Hi guys |
| 00:06 | <@mikegrb> | it wouldn't have been if I just lined it up by site the first time |
| 00:06 | <@caker> | hello sogster |
| 00:06 | <tjfontaine> | always listen to me |
| 00:06 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:06 | <@mikegrb> | indeed |
| 00:07 | <@mikegrb> | where were you when I started playing with it <g> |
| 00:07 | <tjfontaine> | asleep probably |
| 00:07 | <sogster> | just installed "ifmonitor" http://ifmonitor.preteritoimperfeito.com/ on my linode. working good so far. |
| 00:07 | <@mikegrb> | hmm |
| 00:07 | <@mikegrb> | no |
| 00:08 | <@mikegrb> | it was 1400'ish |
| 00:08 | <@mikegrb> | friday |
| 00:08 | <@mikegrb> | sogster: :-) |
| 00:08 | <tjfontaine> | interview |
| 00:08 | <@mikegrb> | ohh |
| 00:09 | <@mikegrb> | spiffy |
| 00:09 | <@mikegrb> | just got mrtg up earlier... http://thegrebs.com/stats/ |
| 00:09 | <@mikegrb> | going to write a little howto for it |
| 00:10 | <@mikegrb> | ifmonitor looks spiffy though |
| 00:10 | <sogster> | Yea I was thinking mrtg cause we use it at work...But I felt lazy tonight and ifmonitor looked pretty good. |
| 00:11 | <@mikegrb> | I've got a bash script by guinea-pig and config |
| 00:11 | <@mikegrb> | so it was pretty easy :) |
| 00:13 | <@caker> | mikegrb: whatever math your scripts are using to calc loadavg looks wrong to me |
| 00:13 | <heidi> | it is x100 |
| 00:13 | <@caker> | or it doesn't display loadavg Y-axis scale |
| 00:13 | <@caker> | ok |
| 00:13 | <@caker> | :) |
| 00:13 | <@caker> | so 66 = 0.6 ? |
| 00:13 | <@caker> | :) |
| 00:13 | <heidi> | he is getting milk and cookies |
| 00:14 | <@caker> | yum |
| 00:14 | <sogster> | :) |
| 00:14 | <heidi> | yes |
| 00:14 | <@caker> | howdy heidi |
| 00:14 | <sogster> | I like the 16K of uptime :) |
| 00:14 | <heidi> | hi |
| 00:14 | <@caker> | 16k-minutes .. new measurement |
| 00:15 | <sogster> | Oh yea that was 'k' not 'K'. |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | haha |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | on the uptime page it even says "kminutes" .. too funny |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | where's guinea-pig when you need him |
| 00:17 | <@mikegrb> | so, you like? :) |
| 00:17 | <@caker> | good stuff |
| 00:18 | <sogster> | looks good |
| 00:18 | <@mikegrb> | It'll pretty much be: |
| 00:18 | <@mikegrb> | 1) put this bash script in /usr/local/bin |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | 2) make this config /etc/mrtg.cfg |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | 3) edit config file setting working dir to where you want it to place html |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | 4) set domain name and the like |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | 5) set cron job to run mrtg at 10 min intervals with following line |
| 00:19 | <@mikegrb> | 0) install mrtg |
| 00:20 | <@mikegrb> | :) |
| 00:20 | <@caker> | 9) Profit! |
| 00:20 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 00:20 | <@mikegrb> | from advertising revenue :) |
| 00:21 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:21 | <sogster> | :) |
| 00:21 | | * mikegrb wonders if slashdot advertises anywhere |
| 00:21 | <@mikegrb> | would be somewhat pointless |
| 00:21 | <@mikegrb> | the right demographic already reads it |
| 00:21 | <@mikegrb> | or knows/will know someone who does |
| 00:21 | <@caker> | I enjoy MS paying OSDN to advertise on their sites |
| 00:21 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:21 | <@caker> | knowing it does little for MS, and a lot for OSDN ppl |
| 00:21 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 00:22 | <@mikegrb> | indeed |
| 00:22 | <sogster> | They have plenty of money to throw around. |
| 00:22 | <@caker> | yeah doesn't hurt ms .. |
| 00:23 | <@caker> | People do some awesome stuff with mrtg/rrdtool |
| 00:23 | <@caker> | Really, really amazing |
| 00:23 | <@caker> | I got sucked in for a couple days during the development of Linode |
| 00:23 | <@caker> | hence my exponentially-growing statistics table |
| 00:23 | <@caker> | which had to go away |
| 00:24 | <sogster> | bit bucket? |
| 00:24 | <@caker> | But, I had some kick ass custom rrdtool configs |
| 00:24 | <@mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:24 | <@caker> | Too much data |
| 00:24 | <@mikegrb> | I imagine |
| 00:26 | <sogster> | We used the rrdtool stuff to track tape backups at work for awhile. |
| 00:26 | <@caker> | tracked how much they pulled through the network? |
| 00:28 | <sogster> | Yea -- on there way to the mainframe tapes...Though maybe their was a bottleneck in the network...Ended up being flaky tcp/ip layer on the mainframe. Deleted the rrdtool stuff....never fully got to explore much more with it. |
| 00:29 | <@caker> | As a technical person, I tend to spend too much time tweaking things visual |
| 00:30 | <@caker> | mikegrb: do you have guinea-pig's script handy? |
| 00:30 | <@mikegrb> | one sec |
| 00:32 | <@mikegrb> | http://greb.ods.org/mrtg-data |
| 00:33 | <@caker> | thanks |
| 00:33 | <@mikegrb> | np |
| 00:34 | <@mikegrb> | triviabot is a lot easier with two players :) |
| 00:35 | <@caker> | found a bug |
| 00:36 | <@mikegrb> | didja |
| 00:36 | <sogster> | what chan for triv aroundd here? I usually hang out on #ftp4trivia on efnet. |
| 00:36 | <@mikegrb> | #moocows |
| 01:01 | -!- | sogster [~sogster@ip68-107-234-16.om.om.cox.net] has left #linode [eyeswideshut] |
| 01:01 | <@mikegrb> | bye! |
| 02:04 | -!- | Netsplit orion.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: @caker, quik, UML_ChanLog, @guinea-sleep, sunny |
| 02:05 | -!- | Netsplit over, joins: @guinea-sleep, @caker, UML_ChanLog, sunny, quik |
| 03:09 | <@guinea-sleep> | A BUG?! |
| 03:29 | <@caker> | guinea-sleep: if you have a really long path to your device (like a loop mount) df prints two lines |
| 03:30 | -!- | guinea-sleep is now known as guinea-work |
| 03:30 | <@guinea-work> | i know |
| 03:30 | <@guinea-work> | i think i mentioned that in the script |
| 03:30 | <@caker> | oh? |
| 03:30 | <@caker> | I should have read more then |
| 03:30 | <@guinea-work> | # FIXME |
| 03:30 | <@guinea-work> | # i'm sorry. devfs messes us up. if the path to your partition is too |
| 03:30 | <@guinea-work> | # long, df wraps. |
| 03:30 | <@guinea-work> | |
| 03:30 | <@guinea-work> | function disk () { |
| 03:31 | <@guinea-work> | i have this on my home box |
| 03:31 | <@guinea-work> | this being the long path, not the comment :P |
| 03:31 | <@guinea-work> | but it should work for most linode uses, so i left it |
| 03:31 | <@guinea-work> | anyway, off to do some physical labour for 10 hours :) |
| 03:31 | <@caker> | cya |
| 04:56 | -!- | wap [me@li3-58.members.linode.com] has joined #linode |
| 04:56 | <wap> | hello |
| 05:27 | -!- | wap [me@li3-58.members.linode.com] has left #linode [] |
| 06:39 | -!- | Miker [~zzz@host79-23.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #linode |
| 06:44 | -!- | Miker [~zzz@host79-23.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: Uscita dal client] |
| 06:59 | -!- | wap [me@li3-58.members.linode.com] has joined #linode |
| 07:18 | -!- | adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #linode |
| 07:18 | -!- | mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ |
| 07:18 | <@adamgent> | hi al |
| 07:19 | <@adamgent> | some of you might be intrested in this http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=221963#post221963 |
| 07:19 | <@adamgent> | it is someone placing UML on a remote dedicated box |
| 09:30 | -!- | dreadbeat [~dreadbeat@cliftsp.ADSL.NetSurf.Net] has joined #linode |
| 09:30 | <dreadbeat> | hello hello |
| 09:30 | <dreadbeat> | is caker around ? |
| 09:31 | <@adamgent> | not seen him yet |
| 09:32 | <dreadbeat> | word |
| 09:57 | <dreadbeat> | anyone got experience with maildrop ? |
| 10:53 | <dreadbeat> | 10:47:47 up 111 days, 3:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 10:53 | <dreadbeat> | yay |
| 10:53 | <dreadbeat> | ;) |
| 11:36 | <tjfontaine> | dreadbeat: talk to mikegrb about maildrop |
| 11:38 | <dreadbeat> | ok, actually got it done ;) |
| 11:40 | <tjfontaine> | k |
| 12:00 | <wap> | what's the recommended size for the swap? I'm on a linode 64 |
| 12:01 | <tjfontaine> | it used to be rule of thumb, that your swap size was in direct proportion to your physical memory |
| 12:01 | <wap> | the gentoo website says it would be around 96Mb but I've been told 256Mb |
| 12:01 | <tjfontaine> | some even recomended a 1:1 corralation |
| 12:03 | <wap> | you'd rather go for 96 or 256? |
| 12:03 | <tjfontaine> | it really depends on what you plan to run on the node |
| 12:04 | <wap> | ok. I'll go with 256 then :) It can't hurt. I may just have to upgrade to linode128 later ;) |
| 12:05 | <wap> | thanks tj |
| 12:05 | <tjfontaine> | yw |
| 12:05 | <dreadbeat> | i use 256 ;P |
| 12:05 | <dreadbeat> | and i'm only on linode 64 |
| 12:05 | <tjfontaine> | depends on how agressive you plan to be |
| 12:05 | <tjfontaine> | if you wanna run kde via vnc you'll obviously need more swap |
| 12:06 | <wap> | 256 would be enough for such a purpose or I should add still more? |
| 12:06 | <dreadbeat> | i dunno, i just figure 256 is enough for most stuff |
| 12:06 | <dreadbeat> | im just running basic webserver / mail server, etc. |
| 12:06 | <tjfontaine> | 256 should be plenty, but you're silly if you try and run KDE via VNC anyway :-) |
| 12:06 | <wap> | heh |
| 12:07 | <dreadbeat> | heh, yup |
| 12:07 | <tjfontaine> | 64 swap is enough fro general apache+mysql+postfix |
| 12:07 | <tjfontaine> | in most cases |
| 12:07 | <dreadbeat> | yup |
| 12:07 | <tjfontaine> | it depends on how visited your sites are |
| 12:07 | <dreadbeat> | i just play on the super-safe side |
| 12:07 | <dreadbeat> | ;) |
| 12:07 | <dreadbeat> | cause whats 256m of ram |
| 12:07 | <dreadbeat> | er |
| 12:07 | <dreadbeat> | of HD |
| 12:07 | <tjfontaine> | alot when you only have 2048megs |
| 12:08 | | * wap agrees with tj |
| 12:08 | <tjfontaine> | just giving you my perspective |
| 12:08 | <tjfontaine> | brb gotta grab lunch |
| 12:08 | <wap> | bon appetit |
| 12:08 | <dreadbeat> | i only got 2048 |
| 12:09 | <dreadbeat> | and 256 aint that much :) |
| 12:09 | <dreadbeat> | especially when an extra gig is 5 bucks |
| 12:09 | <dreadbeat> | heh |
| 12:09 | <wap> | dreadbeat: good point as well ;) |
| 12:09 | <dreadbeat> | i mean.. my RH install was about 750 meg, then 250meg for swap |
| 12:09 | <dreadbeat> | still leaves you with a gig left over |
| 12:10 | -!- | artifexx [~Artifex@216.144.24.226] has joined #linode |
| 12:11 | <wap> | hiya artifexx |
| 12:11 | <artifexx> | caker: any progress on that refferal plan? ;-) |
| 12:11 | <artifexx> | i've got a few people i'm waiting on. :-D |
| 12:11 | <artifexx> | wap: hi there |
| 12:12 | <dreadbeat> | caker = dead |
| 12:12 | <artifexx> | eh? |
| 12:12 | <dreadbeat> | hes been idle for hours |
| 12:12 | <dreadbeat> | i wanna relay stuff from this channel into efnet #linode |
| 12:12 | <dreadbeat> | ;P |
| 12:13 | <wap> | any clue if there's a way to set the linode.com to display time according to my zone? |
| 12:14 | <dreadbeat> | not that i know of |
| 12:14 | <artifexx> | hrmm, dang, wanted to talk to him about some other stuff, too |
| 12:14 | <artifexx> | all well |
| 12:14 | | * artifexx away |
| 13:13 | <@caker> | yoda |
| 13:13 | <@adamgent> | hi chris |
| 13:13 | <@caker> | hey, what's up |
| 13:14 | <@adamgent> | not much just reading about someone putting UML on a dedi box, to seperate out core services |
| 13:14 | <dreadbeat> | caker |
| 13:14 | <@caker> | Yes, very useful |
| 13:15 | <wap> | caker: would be great to offer the possibility to set a local timezone on linode.com member section |
| 13:16 | | * dreadbeat hugs his linode |
| 13:16 | <@caker> | wap: Yes, .. let's see, Job queue, uptime .. where else is time displayed? |
| 13:16 | <wap> | not that it is important, but it would be cool :) |
| 13:16 | | * tjfontaine slaps debian |
| 13:17 | <wap> | caker: I think only these 2 |
| 13:25 | -!- | quik is now known as Quik |
| 13:25 | <Quik> | caker about? |
| 13:25 | <@caker> | Hello Quik |
| 13:26 | <Quik> | hiya :) |
| 13:27 | <Quik> | just wondering, do you have graphs of the various hosts over the past few minutes? |
| 13:27 | <Quik> | like whether they are unresponsive for example |
| 13:27 | <@caker> | Not graphs, but some stats, yes. . what's up |
| 13:27 | <@caker> | Hmm, nothing looks out of ordinary |
| 13:28 | <Quik> | would you be able to check 6:30 this morning for me please? |
| 13:28 | <Quik> | 1:30 your time |
| 13:28 | <Quik> | host8 |
| 13:29 | <@caker> | load avg was 1.2 |
| 13:30 | <@caker> | looks normal -- Why do you ask? |
| 13:30 | <Quik> | it's just that for the last 2 weeks or so, every 3 or 4 days a number of psybnc bots get disconnected from their IRC networks (the linode is only running an unused apache and 5 psybnc's) |
| 13:31 | <Quik> | just wondering if it was the IRC network or the linode that had the issues |
| 13:31 | <Quik> | i suspect it's the IRC network in this case as the bnc's connected to one server all died out, and one connected to a different server didn't |
| 13:31 | <Quik> | but i thought it'd be good to check :) |
| 13:32 | <@caker> | It looks fine, and all my connections (including ssh into a Linode at TP) have remained online for weeks |
| 13:32 | <@caker> | But, let's keep an eye on it |
| 13:32 | <Quik> | i suspect it is all fine as you say, thanks very much for checking :) |
| 13:33 | <@caker> | no prob |
| 13:34 | <Quik> | bbs |
| 13:34 | <@adamgent> | decided what your doing with that new 4 gig machine yet chris |
| 13:35 | <@caker> | Pretty sure it's going to become a Linode 96 server |
| 13:35 | <@caker> | parts should arrive this afternoon |
| 13:36 | <@adamgent> | damm mailing lists |
| 13:36 | <Quik> | is it at he.net btw? |
| 13:36 | <@caker> | It will be |
| 13:36 | <Quik> | oky |
| 13:38 | | * wap goes away |
| 14:02 | <dreadbeat> | chris, whatever happened to that control panel thing you were gonna try and unleash ;) |
| 14:02 | <dreadbeat> | unleash* |
| 14:03 | <@caker> | DirectAdmin? |
| 14:03 | <@caker> | A couple of things.. |
| 14:03 | <@caker> | Mostly the RH 9 version was beta, and it broke the RPM database something aweful |
| 14:03 | <dreadbeat> | was it directadmin ? i thought there was another one |
| 14:04 | <@caker> | It installs custom packages for everything, which confused RPM |
| 14:04 | <@caker> | I haven't tried it lately |
| 14:04 | <@caker> | I can get licenses at a very good price, but as of know, install would be up to them (they support install) and you... |
| 14:04 | <@caker> | s/know/now/ |
| 14:05 | <dreadbeat> | yah |
| 14:05 | <dreadbeat> | ok |
| 14:05 | <dreadbeat> | fuggedabout it |
| 14:05 | <dreadbeat> | im just looking for something similar to Ensim |
| 14:05 | <dreadbeat> | but without the price tag :P |
| 14:05 | <@caker> | No kidding :) |
| 14:05 | <dreadbeat> | i love the way it functions and all, but yah.. |
| 14:06 | | * caker gets pulled away for a few |
| 14:06 | <dreadbeat> | and the whole uh.. webmin thing blows |
| 14:06 | <dreadbeat> | :P |
| 14:13 | -!- | dvl_ [~dvl666stn@host213-122-64-165.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #linode |
| 14:29 | <@guinea-work> | honey, i'm home |
| 14:29 | -!- | guinea-work is now known as guinea-pig |
| 14:29 | <@caker> | back |
| 14:29 | <@caker> | woah :) |
| 14:30 | <@guinea-pig> | is that like <neo>whoa</neo> or just a <kid type="stoner">whoa</kid> ? |
| 14:31 | <@caker> | The neo one -- ever since Point Break I can't help but to make fun |
| 14:31 | <@guinea-pig> | hehe |
| 14:31 | <@guinea-pig> | point break? |
| 14:31 | <@caker> | "II AM AN FBI AGENT!!!" |
| 14:31 | <@caker> | really lame surfer/FBI movie |
| 14:31 | <@guinea-pig> | so i've been thinking all day about rewriting my script entirely in C |
| 14:32 | <@guinea-pig> | "stealing" parts from various apps that i'm just running externally anyway |
| 14:32 | <@caker> | Is there an interface (ioctl?) rather than having to touch the /proc fs? |
| 14:32 | <@guinea-pig> | by stealing i mean copying under GPL :D |
| 14:32 | <@guinea-pig> | well, df uses statfs iirc |
| 14:32 | <@caker> | ok, I see |
| 14:32 | <@guinea-pig> | otherwise, i've no idea at all |
| 14:32 | <@guinea-pig> | but i'm sure there must be |
| 14:33 | <@guinea-pig> | it'd be a good learning experiment. i'm not knowing much C |
| 14:33 | <@caker> | Yeah, sounds perfect |
| 14:33 | <@guinea-pig> | i can read and tweak, i just can't write |
| 14:33 | <@guinea-pig> | (kinda related to the 'needing to visualise the entire thing before i start' bug) |
| 14:35 | <@caker> | I learned a few bash tricks looking at your script |
| 14:35 | <@caker> | I've never paid much attention to shell scripting, but now I realize I should have :) |
| 14:35 | <EFudd> | guinea, that's my issue as well, your visualize point. suggest just pushing through it and you can get it done |
| 14:37 | <@guinea-pig> | caker: cool |
| 14:37 | <@guinea-pig> | man bash, search for "parameter expansion" |
| 14:37 | <@guinea-pig> | some cool stuff |
| 14:38 | <@guinea-pig> | saves a *lot* of external time usually wasted on sed and cut |
| 15:02 | <Quik> | caker: you need anyone to test out these linode 96's if you decide to stick with them? ;) |
| 15:03 | <@caker> | Quik: Interested in moving your Linode over to it? |
| 15:03 | <@guinea-pig> | 96's? something new? old? |
| 15:03 | <@caker> | Linode 96 will be a new plan |
| 15:03 | <Quik> | would you be able to do me a quick favour first? |
| 15:04 | <@guinea-pig> | resulting from all these people upgrading to 128? :P |
| 15:04 | <@caker> | Depends :) |
| 15:04 | <Quik> | and do me a traceroute to irc.us.quakenet.org and irc.uk.quakenet.org from he.net |
| 15:04 | <@caker> | sure |
| 15:04 | <Quik> | thanks very much :) |
| 15:04 | <@guinea-pig> | hey, i could do that now, too :D |
| 15:04 | <Quik> | long as they are ok, i would be very interested |
| 15:06 | <@guinea-pig> | of course, irc.us.quakenet is in nyc |
| 15:06 | <@caker> | Last hop on both of those doesn't respond ... |
| 15:06 | <Quik> | same here |
| 15:06 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: Linode 96 is just a better price point, more options, etc... |
| 15:07 | <tjfontaine> | how about a customize your own node option :-) |
| 15:07 | <@guinea-pig> | irc.uk is round robin |
| 15:07 | <@caker> | tjfontaine: for a superlinode? |
| 15:08 | <tjfontaine> | caker: well I only need 64 megs, but paying for more bandwidth now doesn't make sense unless I upgrade as well :-) |
| 15:08 | <tjfontaine> | also same with diskspace |
| 15:08 | <@guinea-pig> | 140ms to inferno.b0rk.co.uk is the best of the .uk ones, though |
| 15:08 | | * guinea-pig just connects to irc.us and /pings himself |
| 15:09 | <@guinea-pig> | [15:09][15:09] -:- [reply/guinea-pig] from guinea-pig [PING 0.166777 seconds] |
| 15:11 | <Quik> | +40ms ping is fine, it's the network problems that are the issues |
| 15:11 | <Quik> | ie. connection goes down for 30 seconds and things get throttled for hours :/ |
| 15:11 | | * guinea-pig blinks |
| 15:12 | <dreadbeat> | how much for linode 96 |
| 15:12 | <dreadbeat> | ? |
| 15:12 | <Quik> | $30 prolly |
| 15:13 | <@caker> | Right |
| 15:13 | <dreadbeat> | hmm |
| 15:13 | <dreadbeat> | that aint bad |
| 15:13 | <dreadbeat> | might have to upgrade ;p |
| 15:13 | <@guinea-pig> | d'oh... could you downgrade me caker? :D |
| 15:13 | | * guinea-pig runs away |
| 15:13 | <@guinea-pig> | (i am joking, in case my sense of humour escapes you) |
| 15:14 | <@guinea-pig> | it's yet to escape me. i keep hoping. |
| 15:14 | <@caker> | hehe |
| 15:14 | <artifexx> | caker, hi |
| 15:14 | <artifexx> | refferal program? |
| 15:15 | <@caker> | artifexx: yo |
| 15:15 | <dreadbeat> | haha |
| 15:15 | <@caker> | one sec |
| 15:24 | <@caker> | back |
| 15:24 | <@caker> | artifexx around? |
| 15:24 | <dreadbeat> | no |
| 15:24 | <dreadbeat> | fill me in |
| 15:24 | <@caker> | here's what I'm thinking |
| 15:24 | <@caker> | There are so many different setups for this type of deal |
| 15:25 | <@caker> | But for starters |
| 15:25 | <@caker> | For referrals, you get first month as a bonus back, if they stay for 90 days |
| 15:26 | <dreadbeat> | i would say you should have some sort of 'credit' and some sort of discounted rate for resellers |
| 15:26 | <@caker> | Well, that's different, but yeah |
| 15:27 | <@caker> | I'm not going to do resellers yet, but I have a few ideas |
| 15:27 | <@caker> | Obviously level 1 reseller would be the discounts .. (5% for so many resold, 10% for more, etc) |
| 15:27 | <@caker> | Level 2 reseller would be an API in which someone could control the Linode Platform via |
| 15:27 | <@caker> | but that's way down the road |
| 15:28 | <artifexx> | hrmm |
| 15:28 | <artifexx> | interesting |
| 15:28 | <@caker> | So for now, if you want to do the referral thing, I have to do it by hand |
| 15:28 | <@caker> | but, don't let that stop you |
| 15:28 | <@caker> | I'll give you guys credit for them |
| 15:29 | <@caker> | (it's going to be a mess at first, though :) |
| 15:30 | <artifexx> | how about V.A.R.? |
| 15:30 | <@caker> | Like what? |
| 15:30 | <dreadbeat> | var ? |
| 15:30 | <artifexx> | dreadbeat: value added resale |
| 15:31 | <artifexx> | like, lets say i wanted to sell 5 nodes, with commercial render-farm software preinstalled |
| 15:31 | <artifexx> | just as an example |
| 15:31 | <dreadbeat> | ahh |
| 15:31 | <@guinea-pig> | you wanted to sell 5 nodes. |
| 15:31 | <@caker> | right, you could add "support" for anything you needed, post signup |
| 15:31 | <@caker> | Are you asking about including reseller-specific distros? |
| 15:31 | <@guinea-pig> | mmm, rendering |
| 15:32 | <artifexx> | caker: possibly |
| 15:32 | | * guinea-pig gets all weak in the knees |
| 15:32 | <@caker> | I probably couldn't do that atm, but you could package stuff up |
| 15:32 | <artifexx> | just tossing out ideas, mostly. ;-) |
| 15:32 | <@caker> | same here |
| 15:33 | <@guinea-pig> | do you have to have seperate linode accounts to have multiple linodes? |
| 15:33 | | * guinea-pig assumes |
| 15:33 | <@caker> | No, UML within UML is a little on the slow side, but it works |
| 15:33 | <@guinea-pig> | oh i didn't know we were talking about nesting |
| 15:33 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: we're not :) |
| 15:33 | <@guinea-pig> | err |
| 15:34 | <@guinea-pig> | ok? |
| 15:34 | <@guinea-pig> | heh |
| 15:34 | | * artifexx watches the ideas being flung like monkey-poo |
| 15:34 | <@guinea-pig> | if you're not talking about nesting, then how does one resell more than one linode without having multiple linode.com accounts? |
| 15:34 | <@caker> | I think I gotcha -- they're would be a separate "Linode Reseller" account in which you could manage your resold Linode accounts |
| 15:35 | <dreadbeat> | guinea, he means selling linodes for caker basically |
| 15:35 | <dreadbeat> | but, in such a way that it looks like he is and that he can manage them |
| 15:35 | <@guinea-pig> | i got the impression that i buy. i modify. i "rent" them out. |
| 15:36 | <@guinea-pig> | so they're still mine, as far as caker's concerned |
| 15:36 | <artifexx> | in a sense, yes |
| 15:36 | <artifexx> | but, often special arrangements in both implementation and contract are made for v.a.r. scenarios |
| 15:36 | <artifexx> | since "everyone wins" in a sense |
| 15:37 | <@guinea-pig> | I WIN! |
| 15:37 | <@guinea-pig> | oh wait. |
| 15:37 | <artifexx> | the original guy sells more of his product |
| 15:37 | <@guinea-pig> | i lost. bye |
| 15:37 | -!- | guinea-pig is now known as guinea-oot |
| 15:37 | <artifexx> | the var does a bit of legwork, and sells the product at a small profit |
| 15:37 | <artifexx> | and the end customer gets a better product |
| 15:38 | <@caker> | and the var collects payment from customers |
| 15:38 | <@guinea-oot> | what's to stop caker from making the product better and cutting you off :P |
| 15:38 | <artifexx> | because his product isnt pre-packaged turn-key render-farms |
| 15:38 | <@caker> | The VAR's accounts inherit those improvements, too |
| 15:38 | <artifexx> | or webgardens |
| 15:38 | <artifexx> | or |
| 15:38 | <artifexx> | anything else a var would do |
| 15:39 | <artifexx> | his product is just virtual co-lo |
| 15:39 | <@caker> | artifexx: also, within UML, userspace runs at host-speed |
| 15:39 | <@caker> | which is good for rendering and calc intensive apps |
| 15:39 | <artifexx> | (when available, you mean ;-) ) |
| 15:40 | <@guinea-oot> | yeah. if all your renderers are on the same host, that might be an issue :P |
| 15:40 | <artifexx> | although, i suppose if there's 16 uml instances on a physical host... and you own all 16.... |
| 15:40 | <artifexx> | :-D |
| 15:40 | <@caker> | Right .. any more than two running on the same host would compete |
| 15:40 | <@caker> | for a cpu |
| 15:40 | <artifexx> | right |
| 15:41 | <dreadbeat> | hmm |
| 15:41 | <artifexx> | web-garden is a better example anyways. ;-) |
| 15:41 | <dreadbeat> | so does that mean that 2 people running intensive programs on thier linode |
| 15:41 | <dreadbeat> | can basically jack me |
| 15:41 | <dreadbeat> | ? |
| 15:41 | <artifexx> | no |
| 15:41 | <@caker> | No, they start to split the difference |
| 15:41 | <@caker> | 50/50 or whatever |
| 15:41 | <dreadbeat> | bah, im dumb |
| 15:41 | <artifexx> | you're always assured "at least your fair share" |
| 15:41 | <dreadbeat> | im not following |
| 15:41 | <artifexx> | if there's 16 linodes on the host |
| 15:42 | <dreadbeat> | are you talking about left-over process ? |
| 15:42 | <artifexx> | you're always assured at least 1/16th of the timeslices |
| 15:42 | <dreadbeat> | ok |
| 15:42 | <artifexx> | (assuming they're all the same class of linode....) |
| 15:42 | <@caker> | Regardless if they're the same class |
| 15:42 | <artifexx> | well |
| 15:43 | <artifexx> | a linode 128 would be considered as 2 linode 64s, in a sense |
| 15:43 | <@caker> | Not as far as timeslices are conceneed .. that's why I pooled the same classes onto one host only |
| 15:43 | <@guinea-oot> | not as far as the kernel is concern...damn |
| 15:43 | <@caker> | I don't mess with nice levels or anything to compensate for that (since I don't do it) |
| 15:44 | <artifexx> | ahh, i figured you would. |
| 15:44 | <artifexx> | :-) |
| 15:47 | <dreadbeat> | nice levels? |
| 15:47 | <dreadbeat> | please explain ;P |
| 15:48 | <artifexx> | man nice |
| 15:48 | <artifexx> | ;-) |
| 15:54 | | * caker waits patiently for FedEx |
| 16:19 | | * guinea-oot dons a fedex uniform and leaves a suspicious package for caker |
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| 16:35 | <@guinea-oot> | [16:28][16:28] <eurozip> I am ordering one now |
| 16:35 | <@guinea-oot> | ^ w00t |
| 16:35 | | * guinea-oot continues to spread the good word |
| 16:35 | | * caker fires up the new machine |
| 16:35 | -!- | guinea-oot is now known as guinea-pig |
| 16:35 | -!- | eurozip [~eurozip@66.136.35.17] has joined #linode |
| 16:35 | <eurozip> | lo guinea-pig |
| 16:35 | <@guinea-pig> | lo eurozip |
| 16:35 | -!- | Netsplit over, joins: UML_ChanLog |
| 16:37 | | * wap is back |
| 16:42 | -!- | Netsplit oxygen.oftc.net <-> uranium.oftc.net quits: dreadbeat, @guinea-pig, kepe, @caker, Quik, @adamgent, UML_ChanLog, sunny, eurozip, artifexx |
| 16:43 | -!- | Netsplit over, joins: @adamgent, @guinea-pig, @caker, UML_ChanLog, eurozip, kepe, artifexx, dreadbeat, sunny, Quik |
| 16:43 | -!- | Netsplit uranium.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net, lepton.oftc.net quits: UML_ChanLog |
| 16:45 | <@caker> | come back to us UML_ChanLog |
| 16:45 | -!- | Netsplit over, joins: UML_ChanLog |
| 16:45 | <@guinea-pig> | heh |
| 16:45 | <@guinea-pig> | i used to run a stat-bot |
| 16:46 | <eurozip> | I imagine you own linode, caker? |
| 16:46 | <@caker> | eurozip: you're all set with your account |
| 16:47 | <@caker> | eurozip: yes |
| 16:47 | <eurozip> | heh |
| 16:47 | <eurozip> | well, call me :) |
| 16:47 | <@caker> | Do you really want me to? :) |
| 16:47 | <@guinea-pig> | hmm. i get slower apt-gets on the new host |
| 16:47 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: is there a better mirror closer? |
| 16:47 | <@guinea-pig> | might be |
| 16:47 | <eurozip> | caker, I need a host, lost my cable, heh |
| 16:48 | <@guinea-pig> | i usually use the http.us alias |
| 16:48 | <@caker> | eurozip: lost your cable modem? |
| 16:48 | <@guinea-pig> | caker: is there a mirror locally? *grin* |
| 16:48 | <@caker> | I hope you're not on dialup |
| 16:48 | <eurozip> | no, I moved, and I am to lazy to wait 2 weeks for the line |
| 16:48 | <kepe> | I am :/ |
| 16:48 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: No, but its on the to-do list, or at least apt-cache |
| 16:48 | <eurozip> | I just use wireless, free |
| 16:48 | <@guinea-pig> | not really complaining |
| 16:48 | <eurozip> | gentoo ? |
| 16:48 | <@guinea-pig> | i mean, 700kB/s is excellent |
| 16:48 | <@caker> | Not bad |
| 16:48 | <@guinea-pig> | but i used to hit 1000kB/s :P |
| 16:50 | | * caker comforts guinea-pig |
| 16:50 | <eurozip> | omg, this will be nice |
| 16:50 | <@guinea-pig> | haha |
| 16:50 | <eurozip> | seriously, call me if you need validation |
| 16:50 | <eurozip> | heh |
| 16:50 | <@caker> | eurozip: Nope, everything checked out |
| 16:50 | | * caker uses a crystal ball |
| 16:50 | <@guinea-pig> | i can validate that eurozip on oftc is the same as eurozip on slashnet :) |
| 16:50 | <eurozip> | i'm alright |
| 16:50 | <kepe> | I can validate that he is a redneck, like me |
| 16:50 | <@caker> | haha |
| 16:50 | <@guinea-pig> | heh. i'm gonna have a spike in my mrtg graphs from testing apt just now |
| 16:51 | <@guinea-pig> | disk_io and net |
| 16:51 | <eurozip> | caker, did you set this all up? |
| 16:53 | <wap> | I'm having a problem with nano. When I use the numeric keypad it says: "NumLock glitch detected. Keypad will malfunction with NumLock off" but NumLock is ON. "nano -K" fixes it. Is there a simple way I could fix this without having to type "-K" all the time? |
| 16:53 | <@caker> | eurozip: yes |
| 16:53 | <eurozip> | impressive |
| 16:53 | <@caker> | thank you -- it's getting there :) |
| 16:53 | <eurozip> | you know, you really have something here |
| 16:53 | <@caker> | I'm glad you like it. Some good things in the works too |
| 16:54 | <@guinea-pig> | so caker, where's my damn referral bonus? :P |
| 16:54 | <@caker> | hehe |
| 16:54 | <@caker> | I can tell already I'm going to have to come up with a method to record all this stuff |
| 16:54 | | * caker ponders |
| 16:54 | <@guinea-pig> | nano, eh? |
| 16:54 | <@caker> | wow |
| 16:55 | <@caker> | where the heck is it getting numlock reading from? |
| 16:56 | <eurozip> | I imagine this was a large initial investment... |
| 16:56 | <@caker> | Yes, I worked full time++ on the business devel/design/and implementation for about 7 months before launching |
| 16:56 | <@guinea-pig> | i'm not seeing this error on nano on debian/testing |
| 16:56 | <wap> | I'm ssh'ing in Gentoo 1.4 |
| 16:56 | <@caker> | What's your TERM env var? |
| 16:56 | <eurozip> | caker, how many people are with you, or is it just you? |
| 16:56 | | * eurozip is amazed |
| 16:56 | <@caker> | so far just myself |
| 16:57 | <@caker> | Launched June 16th |
| 16:57 | <wap> | caker: console |
| 16:57 | | * guinea-pig signed up sometime before the end of july |
| 16:57 | <@caker> | ahh |
| 16:58 | <@guinea-pig> | is console a valid $TERM? |
| 16:58 | <EFudd> | Sure. |
| 16:58 | <EFudd> | ideal? perhaps not. |
| 16:58 | <@guinea-pig> | it doesn't exist in debian |
| 16:58 | <EFudd> | I almost always force xterm |
| 16:59 | <@guinea-pig> | ] vim |
| 16:59 | <@guinea-pig> | Terminal entry not found in terminfo |
| 16:59 | <@guinea-pig> | 'console' not known. |
| 16:59 | <EFudd> | er |
| 16:59 | <EFudd> | linux uses "linux" for "console" I think. |
| 16:59 | <@guinea-pig> | ] nano |
| 16:59 | <@guinea-pig> | Error opening terminal: console. |
| 16:59 | <wap> | I must be mistaken... how can I know my TERM env var? |
| 17:00 | <eurozip> | I honestly can't believe this, 10 minutes, I have a gentoo system |
| 17:00 | <@guinea-pig> | my TERM is usually screen anyway. i never leave home without it |
| 17:00 | <EFudd> | wap, echo $TERM |
| 17:00 | <wap> | echo $TERM gives me xterm |
| 17:01 | <EFudd> | there ya go then. :) |
| 17:01 | <@caker> | eurozip: I just emerge sync'ed the gentoo image a few days ago |
| 17:01 | | * wap is a linux beginner |
| 17:01 | <@caker> | should be fairly uptodate |
| 17:02 | <kepe> | wap, thats good...everybody is a beginner at one time or another |
| 17:02 | <eurozip> | caker, k |
| 17:02 | <wap> | kepe: agreed ;) |
| 17:02 | <eurozip> | just making sure apache 2.0.48 |
| 17:02 | <kepe> | eurozip: what about it? |
| 17:03 | <EFudd> | 2.0.47 as of last friday.... |
| 17:03 | <eurozip> | kepe, emerge sync, on my new system :) |
| 17:03 | <kepe> | Latest version available: 2.0.48 |
| 17:03 | <eurozip> | 48 is in portage now |
| 17:03 | <EFudd> | -nods- |
| 17:03 | <EFudd> | i'm about to see the world update |
| 17:04 | <eurozip> | /dev/ubd/0 1.8G 637M 1.1G 38% / |
| 17:04 | <eurozip> | You are currently utilizing |
| 17:04 | <eurozip> | 100% |
| 17:04 | <eurozip> | of your total storage space. |
| 17:04 | <eurozip> | why web and df differ? |
| 17:04 | <@caker> | eurozip: LPM displays how much space you have allocated to disk iamges |
| 17:04 | <eurozip> | I see, web shows total for multiple distros and what not |
| 17:04 | <@caker> | not free space within them |
| 17:04 | <@caker> | right |
| 17:04 | <EFudd> | yah, the only update from friday is apache. |
| 17:05 | <eurozip> | caker, all servers in 1 location? |
| 17:05 | <@caker> | I'll be sending a SuSE image along with this new machine |
| 17:05 | <@guinea-pig> | d'oh. i keep forgetting |
| 17:05 | <@caker> | eurozip: no, host1-8 are at ThePlanet in Dallas, host > 9 are at Hurricane Electric |
| 17:05 | <@guinea-pig> | "Linode must be shutdown before resize" |
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| 17:06 | <EFudd> | >= :) |
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| 17:06 | -!- | mode/#linode [+o guinea-pig] by ChanServ |
| 17:06 | <eurozip> | sorry to ask so many ?'s, but how many people are on this? |
| 17:07 | <@adamgent> | ill c ya akll tomorrow got to get some sleep |
| 17:07 | <@guinea-pig> | caker, i'm still seeing the 2.4.23-pre8 kernel reboots itself instead of halting |
| 17:07 | <@caker> | see ya adamgent |
| 17:07 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: let me go check the source |
| 17:07 | <EFudd> | guinea, from a halt, or shutdown -h ? |
| 17:07 | -!- | adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] |
| 17:07 | <@guinea-pig> | guinea-pig: either way. the uml kernel is supposed to halt. |
| 17:07 | <@guinea-pig> | from the web interface, fyi |
| 17:08 | <EFudd> | oic. |
| 17:08 | <@guinea-pig> | so then it boots back up, and gets killed |
| 17:08 | <dreadbeat> | hoah man |
| 17:08 | <dreadbeat> | my cable modem is the shizzle |
| 17:08 | <@caker> | it syncs and sleeps a few times before halting (btw) |
| 17:08 | <dreadbeat> | i just got 550kB off microsoft.com |
| 17:08 | <dreadbeat> | :) |
| 17:08 | <dreadbeat> | w0w |
| 17:08 | <@guinea-pig> | caker: yeah, i've seen that |
| 17:09 | <wap> | anyone got any clue for my nano keypad issue? ;) I've been searching around for about 3-4 hours now and it's kinda getting on my nerves... |
| 17:09 | <dreadbeat> | man |
| 17:09 | <@caker> | alias nano nano -K ? |
| 17:09 | <dreadbeat> | americans talk funny |
| 17:09 | <dreadbeat> | :P |
| 17:09 | <dreadbeat> | no offense to any of you.. |
| 17:09 | <@guinea-pig> | use vim? |
| 17:10 | <EFudd> | fok nano. |
| 17:10 | <@guinea-pig> | merkins |
| 17:10 | <wap> | guinea: I may just go back to Debian ;) |
| 17:10 | <@guinea-pig> | hahah. i got ahead of myself |
| 17:10 | <@guinea-pig> | went to resize one partition while another was "in progress" |
| 17:10 | <@guinea-pig> | the second failed because the web interface told me the amount free pre-first resize |
| 17:10 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: found the error.. remaking |
| 17:11 | <@guinea-pig> | caker: cool. that kernel's been treating me awesome |
| 17:11 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: can you tell a difference between 2.4.22 ? |
| 17:12 | <@guinea-pig> | unsure. i changed at the same time you changed the host's kernel on host7. what's host10 using? |
| 17:12 | <@caker> | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:13 | <@guinea-pig> | that means i'd have to boot my linode :P |
| 17:13 | <@caker> | will give you the host's kernel |
| 17:13 | <@caker> | erm |
| 17:13 | | * guinea-pig boots it |
| 17:14 | <@guinea-pig> | i just shutdown to do the resize anyway :) |
| 17:14 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: Linux host10.linode.com 2.4.23-pre6 #6 SMP Wed Oct 8 14:39:07 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:16 | | * guinea-pig doesn't feel like rebooting again for a *long* time |
| 17:18 | | * eurozip slowly realizes 2 gigs won't cut it... caker grins |
| 17:19 | <EFudd> | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 17:19 | <EFudd> | /dev/root 4136896 1534100 2435024 39% / |
| 17:19 | <EFudd> | none 94024 0 94024 0% /dev/shm |
| 17:19 | <EFudd> | for a very usable gentoo install. |
| 17:19 | <@caker> | Gentoo |
| 17:19 | <@caker> | er |
| 17:19 | <@caker> | Gentoo's portage dir is 270 megs |
| 17:20 | <@guinea-pig> | 2G is fine for debian. |
| 17:20 | <@guinea-pig> | /dev/ubd/0 631M 317M 288M 53% / |
| 17:21 | <eurozip> | having problems emerge[ing] vim, seems can't find the gentoo packages on any mirror |
| 17:21 | <@guinea-pig> | (then again, i've got the rest of my 4G in /usr/local) |
| 17:21 | <eurozip> | never had this problem |
| 17:22 | <wap> | This nano glitch convinced me to switch back to Debian. Thanks for your help though, caker ;) |
| 17:23 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: fixed the linode11 kernel, btw |
| 17:23 | <@guinea-pig> | cool |
| 17:23 | <artifexx> | eurozip: emerge rsync |
| 17:23 | <eurozip> | No such directory `pub/mirrors/ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles'. |
| 17:23 | <@guinea-pig> | so when i reboot in 3 months, i'll get it :) |
| 17:24 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: hehe |
| 17:24 | <eurozip> | seems that could be an issue on our side? |
| 17:24 | <eurozip> | artifexx, thx |
| 17:24 | <artifexx> | should fix that. ymmv. |
| 17:25 | | * guinea-pig freaks out |
| 17:25 | <@guinea-pig> | oh |
| 17:25 | <@guinea-pig> | i chrooted into my gentoo install at home |
| 17:25 | <@guinea-pig> | wondered why apt was missing :) |
| 17:25 | <artifexx> | emerge apt-get |
| 17:25 | <artifexx> | rofl |
| 17:26 | <wap> | ;) |
| 17:26 | <@caker> | Anyone interested in a SuSE distro? |
| 17:26 | <artifexx> | no. :-| |
| 17:26 | <@caker> | I've only had a small number of requests for it |
| 17:27 | <eurozip> | nope |
| 17:27 | <eurozip> | maybe the germans |
| 17:28 | <eurozip> | still the same issue with emerge vim, can't get gentoo patches |
| 17:28 | <@guinea-pig> | anyone asked for lfs? hehe |
| 17:28 | | * artifexx did |
| 17:28 | <artifexx> | :-D |
| 17:28 | <@caker> | It was mentioned once or twice |
| 17:28 | <wap> | eurozip: are you from Europe? |
| 17:28 | <@guinea-pig> | tell people to scratch themselves |
| 17:28 | <@caker> | It's not that hard to make your own distro :) |
| 17:28 | <eurozip> | wap, heh... nope |
| 17:28 | -!- | eurozip is now known as zip |
| 17:29 | <wap> | heh |
| 17:29 | -!- | zip is now known as zip_ |
| 17:29 | <zip_> | seems there is a zip already |
| 17:29 | <EFudd> | Uh. You. |
| 17:29 | <EFudd> | -:- eurozip is now known as zip |
| 17:29 | <EFudd> | -:- zip is now known as zip_ |
| 17:30 | <zip_> | cant get the vim patches here locally either, must be something with the gentoo mirrors, not updated or typo... |
| 17:30 | <zip_> | Uh, Me. |
| 17:30 | <zip_> | ? |
| 17:30 | <@caker> | phew |
| 17:30 | <tjfontaine> | ya I often wonder why urpmi isn't in debian and apt-get isnt in my mdk install |
| 17:30 | <@guinea-pig> | i think eurozip meant "zip" is already registered with nickserv |
| 17:31 | <EFudd> | oic. yah, forgot there was a nickserv here :) |
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