| --- | Log | opened Tue Oct 28 00:00:13 2003 |
| --- | Day | changed Tue Oct 28 2003 |
| 00:00 | <@caker> | nice overlays |
| 00:00 | <mikegrb> | caker: best of all, mythtv on the xbox can change the xbox led color to indicate if the computer on the network is recording or not |
| 00:00 | <mikegrb> | I dunno if the new ones are up |
| 00:00 | <Artifex> | i've been known to |
| 00:00 | <@caker> | heh |
| 00:00 | <@caker> | picture in picture |
| 00:00 | <Artifex> | prefer videolan for watching stuff recorded off the cable/sattalite on the pc, tho |
| 00:00 | <mikegrb> | yha the visorosd |
| 00:00 | <Artifex> | brb |
| 00:01 | <mikegrb> | caker does closed captions too, instead of black box it uses alpha transparency for the box |
| 00:01 | <@caker> | yeah |
| 00:01 | <@caker> | noticed that for some of the other overlays |
| 00:01 | <mikegrb> | I wrote some closed captions stuff for it |
| 00:01 | <mikegrb> | minor stuff |
| 00:01 | <@caker> | neat |
| 00:01 | <mikegrb> | remember if you want it on or off and use that next time and fixed some display glitches |
| 00:02 | <mikegrb> | well and of course I did the xbox led stuff <G> |
| 00:02 | <@caker> | heh |
| 00:02 | <@caker> | are you a c/c++/asm guy? |
| 00:02 | <mikegrb> | it's great glancing down and seeing the led change from green to red |
| 00:02 | <mikegrb> | some c/c++ |
| 00:02 | <mikegrb> | not a lot |
| 00:02 | | * Artifex is |
| 00:02 | <Artifex> | a LOT |
| 00:02 | <mikegrb> | heh indeed |
| 00:02 | <Artifex> | heh |
| 00:02 | <@caker> | Artifex: what's your project |
| 00:03 | <Artifex> | mostly the REALLY crazy stuff (ie PBL), too, hehehehe |
| 00:03 | <Artifex> | caker: my current project? |
| 00:03 | <@caker> | nod |
| 00:03 | <Artifex> | hehe, cant tell |
| 00:03 | <Artifex> | buuuut |
| 00:03 | <Artifex> | it's a port of a rather popular OS to the xbox. :-) |
| 00:03 | <Artifex> | caker, you have an xbox? |
| 00:03 | <@caker> | no :( |
| 00:03 | <Artifex> | you should. |
| 00:03 | <mikegrb> | not yet ;) |
| 00:04 | | * mikegrb needs to sell the ps2 |
| 00:04 | <Artifex> | hey, FLCL is one |
| 00:04 | <Artifex> | :-D |
| 00:04 | <Artifex> | *on |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | hmm |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | rather popular OS that runs on i386... |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | linux |
| 00:04 | <mikegrb> | flcl? |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | nope, already does |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | windows? |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | not sure why you'd want too |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | bsd/freebsd perhaps? |
| 00:05 | <mikegrb> | heh the xbox's native kernel is a win2000 based one |
| 00:05 | <@caker> | right |
| 00:05 | <Artifex> | mikegrb: turn on cartoon network right now |
| 00:05 | <@caker> | But you can't get to explorer? |
| 00:05 | <@caker> | right? |
| 00:05 | <mikegrb> | aye |
| 00:05 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 00:05 | <Artifex> | mikegrb: heh, it wont make much sense, since it's halfway into the series |
| 00:05 | <Artifex> | but |
| 00:05 | <mikegrb> | there is no explorer |
| 00:05 | <Artifex> | it's my favorite anime mini-series ever |
| 00:05 | <mikegrb> | ahh |
| 00:05 | <Artifex> | it's... |
| 00:05 | <Artifex> | hyper-crazy |
| 00:05 | <Artifex> | and the music is amazing |
| 00:06 | <mikegrb> | I think heidi is watching something not sure, she's playing on her laptop too |
| 00:06 | <Artifex> | and the animation is mind-blowing at times |
| 00:06 | <Artifex> | they switch styles so quickly... |
| 00:06 | <Artifex> | it's a tour de force of anime |
| 00:06 | <mikegrb> | is this the one with bounty hunters and stuff? |
| 00:06 | <Artifex> | they all have bountyhunters |
| 00:06 | <Artifex> | lol |
| 00:06 | <Artifex> | no, it's a 6 episode miniseries |
| 00:07 | <Artifex> | lol, they're doing south-park spoof part right now |
| 00:07 | <mikegrb> | well |
| 00:07 | <Artifex> | missed it |
| 00:07 | <mikegrb> | shows what I know about anime |
| 00:07 | <mikegrb> | yha I picked up on the south park bits |
| 00:08 | <Artifex> | hehe |
| 00:08 | <mikegrb> | there was one I was watching on sunday nights or some such |
| 00:08 | <mikegrb> | only thing on at 1am |
| 00:08 | <Artifex> | big-o |
| 00:08 | <Artifex> | ? |
| 00:08 | <Artifex> | oh |
| 00:08 | <Artifex> | blue gender |
| 00:08 | <Artifex> | blech |
| 00:08 | <mikegrb> | I dunno there was some crazy stong guy |
| 00:08 | <Artifex> | blue gender is depressing as hell |
| 00:08 | <mikegrb> | 20 people would go in an old west saloon to get him and he'd come out the only one alive |
| 00:09 | <Artifex> | oh |
| 00:10 | <Artifex> | thats not blue gender |
| 00:10 | <Artifex> | thats, erm... |
| 00:10 | <Artifex> | crap.. whats his name... |
| 00:10 | <Artifex> | Trigun |
| 00:10 | <Artifex> | ? |
| 00:11 | <mikegrb> | trigun |
| 00:11 | <mikegrb> | yha that's it |
| 00:11 | <Artifex> | yeah |
| 00:11 | <Artifex> | trigun's ok, sometimes |
| 00:14 | <mikegrb> | heh heidi switched it back to dharma and greg |
| 00:14 | <mikegrb> | she didn't like it |
| 00:15 | <Artifex> | :- |
| 00:15 | <Artifex> | \ |
| 00:15 | <Artifex> | all well |
| 00:15 | <Artifex> | it's great |
| 00:15 | <Artifex> | take my word for it |
| 00:15 | <Artifex> | :-) |
| 00:15 | <Artifex> | brb |
| 00:33 | <Artifex> | yeah, so, i'm already extremely satisfied with linode |
| 00:33 | <Artifex> | caker: kudos. Excellent work, here. |
| 00:34 | <@caker> | crap, i was dead wrong about the anticipatory schedular in 2.4.23 |
| 00:34 | <@caker> | Artifex: cool :) |
| 00:34 | <@caker> | Artifex: thank you |
| 00:36 | <Artifex> | being able to ssh to the uml console is killer, too |
| 00:36 | <@caker> | couldn't live without that |
| 00:37 | <Artifex> | now i just have to convince my friend Nick to give me that domain.... |
| 00:37 | <@caker> | which domain? |
| 00:37 | <Artifex> | fa.gs |
| 00:37 | <@caker> | heh |
| 00:37 | <Artifex> | lol |
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| 01:01 | <jax> | where is UML_ChanLog logging this channel to? |
| 01:04 | <Artifex> | so, is there any way to see resource usage on the physical box my virtual sits on? |
| 01:05 | <Artifex> | so i can get an idea of how much processor time is available at any given moment? |
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| 01:25 | <artifex_> | :-) |
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| 01:33 | <@caker> | http://www.linode.com/irc/logs/ |
| 01:34 | <@caker> | Artifex: no, but loadavg on the hosts is usually < 1 |
| 01:36 | <@caker> | plus these are dual-proc hosts, so that kind of messed up the min mhz calculation (in your favor) |
| 01:37 | <Artifex> | lol |
| 01:37 | <Artifex> | ok, was just curious |
| 01:38 | <@caker> | that kind of stuff (host i/o and cpu graphs) are on my to-do list |
| 01:38 | <Artifex> | haha, now i have 5 sytems doing builds at the same time |
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| 01:39 | <Artifex> | including my frontend box |
| 01:39 | <Artifex> | i feel powerfull |
| 01:39 | <Artifex> | or pathetic |
| 01:39 | <Artifex> | not sure which. :-) |
| 01:39 | <@caker> | separate builds or like distcc or something? |
| 01:39 | <Artifex> | no, all building different things |
| 01:41 | <Artifex> | emerging apache on the linode... building my project on this box and another box... watching over the nightly builds on one of the office boxes, and toying with something in c# |
| 01:42 | <@caker> | excellent |
| 01:42 | <Artifex> | the 'project' im working on... theres alot of downtime, because it takes 20-40 minutes to build the image each time :-\ |
| 01:43 | <Artifex> | so i'll usually have 2-4 builds of it going at a time, heh... |
| 01:43 | <Artifex> | will start a build... make some more changes to the source.. start a second build on another box... make some other changes and start another build... |
| 01:43 | <Artifex> | and test each build when it gets around to finishing |
| 01:44 | <Artifex> | it's getting to be a chore just to keep track of what's building where, and when it'll be done, hehe |
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| 01:47 | <Artifex> | wish i could build it in linux... might make keeping track of things a bit easier |
| 01:48 | <Artifex> | well, anyways, im off to sleep. cant wait to show off my 'new colo box' at the office tomorrow |
| 01:48 | <Artifex> | hehehe |
| 01:48 | <@caker> | nice |
| 01:48 | <@caker> | cya Artifex |
| 01:48 | <Artifex> | night. :-) |
| 01:48 | | * Artifex is away: sleeping time |
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| 09:04 | | * Artifex is away: off to work |
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| 11:47 | | * jax is away: networking |
| 11:52 | <Artifexx> | quick question... |
| 11:52 | <Artifexx> | do the kernel's have grsec? (jooc) |
| 11:54 | <Artifexx> | or would they even need them... |
| 11:55 | | * Artifexx pokes caker |
| 11:55 | | * jax is back (gone 00:07:52) |
| 12:00 | <Artifexx> | caker: when you're around... do any of the kernels have grsec? will they? |
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| 13:13 | | * Efudd- ponders if ansi-ish-posix-ish C has a strtoupr type function |
| 13:14 | <@caker> | Artifex: no, let me see how badly uml and grsec merge |
| 13:15 | <Artifexx> | lol |
| 13:15 | <Artifexx> | k |
| 13:15 | <Efudd-> | newp not ANSI at least. |
| 13:15 | <Artifexx> | would be nice, is all. :-) |
| 13:43 | <@caker> | re ipv6, supposed to have an answer today |
| 13:43 | <@caker> | heh |
| 13:43 | <tjfontaine> | groovy |
| 13:45 | <mikegrb> | :) |
| 13:45 | <mikegrb> | (/me just woke up) |
| 13:45 | <@caker> | chicky-momma was out sick yesterday |
| 13:45 | <mikegrb> | hhe |
| 13:45 | <mikegrb> | er heh |
| 13:46 | <mikegrb> | 13:46:29 up 6 days, 21:29, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.23, 0.28 |
| 13:46 | <mikegrb> | my linode is climbing :) |
| 13:46 | <@caker> | 3 hunks failed (grsec+uml) |
| 13:46 | <adamgent> | in where load average or uptime |
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| 13:46 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 13:47 | <mikegrb> | uptime |
| 13:47 | <@caker> | host2 - 13:47:07 up 136 days, 8:25, 0 users, load average: 1.61, 1.48, 1.54 |
| 13:47 | <@caker> | :-) |
| 13:47 | <tjfontaine> | <JuliaSharp> tjfontaine: 13:47:12 up 160 days, 20:27, 2 users, load average: 1.74, 1.26, 1.32 |
| 13:47 | <mikegrb> | bah! |
| 13:48 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 13:49 | <Artifexx> | up 0 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 13:49 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 13:50 | <mikegrb> | I had an old 486 at my parents house acting as a ruoter |
| 13:50 | <mikegrb> | it broke a year, even with full disks |
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| 13:51 | <mikegrb> | that's the power of linux :) |
| 13:52 | <@caker> | Why is it un-attended NAT boxes always have their disks full? Mine does it a few times a year |
| 13:52 | <mikegrb> | finally died though, don't really know what happened power went out long enough for the ups to fail and the power supply got hurt or some such |
| 13:52 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 13:52 | <mikegrb> | logs |
| 13:52 | <@caker> | mine is always apache cycling (crash-->write to logs-->restart) |
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| 13:52 | <@caker> | but it keeps on a-runnin |
| 13:52 | <mikegrb> | they are using one of those consumer router doobies now |
| 13:53 | <@caker> | ahh |
| 13:53 | <EFscreen> | theplanet's dns servers seem to maintain quite a long cache time.... |
| 13:53 | <@caker> | for rdns? |
| 13:53 | <EFscreen> | Yah. Still pulling the old nameservers rather than querying roots for the updates. |
| 13:53 | | * caker pokes ns1.theplanet.co |
| 13:53 | <@caker> | m |
| 13:53 | <EFscreen> | 12.96.160.115 is intelligent enough ... 216.* isn't. |
| 13:54 | <mikegrb> | I thought it was hilarious that they had to have a systems integrator that does networking for bussinesses come out too play with the lan |
| 13:54 | <@caker> | mikegrb: who does? |
| 13:54 | <mikegrb> | my parents |
| 13:55 | <mikegrb> | I left a nice setup there, patch pannels, keystone jacks in walls, etc |
| 13:55 | | * tjfontaine loves keystone |
| 13:55 | <mikegrb> | I even re-did all the phone lines with cat5e as they were old crappy three conductor cloth insulated jobbies |
| 13:55 | <mikegrb> | indeed tjfontaine |
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| 13:56 | | * caker wonders if he's patching in the right place |
| 13:57 | <tjfontaine> | did orion go into the main swing? |
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| 13:57 | <mikegrb> | my brother in law like it cause he could plug his laptop in the famliy room and use the dsl connection then when he wants to connect to his corperate lan (dialup only) a simple patch cable change and the jack is magically a phone jack |
| 13:58 | <mikegrb> | two servers connected |
| 13:58 | <mikegrb> | there were 3 yesterday |
| 13:58 | <mikegrb> | must've been backup for one that couldn't connect to it's rightful partner |
| 13:59 | | * tjfontaine nods |
| 13:59 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb: careful what you say lilo's in #oftc :-) |
| 13:59 | <mikegrb> | that bastard |
| 13:59 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 13:59 | <tjfontaine> | heheh |
| 14:01 | <mikegrb> | lilo can suck my, well I'm sure you can finish that |
| 14:01 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 14:01 | <tjfontaine> | I've had plenty of my own runnings |
| 14:01 | <mikegrb> | freenode is crap |
| 14:01 | <tjfontaine> | like when he hijacked my channel on freenode |
| 14:01 | <mikegrb> | but alas several projects have their home there :/ |
| 14:02 | <mikegrb> | indeed |
| 14:02 | <mikegrb> | he MUST be in control of everything |
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| 14:05 | <EFscreen> | Gotta love it when code works under debugger, but not natively. |
| 14:05 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 14:05 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 14:06 | <EFscreen> | this boggles. |
| 14:07 | <mikegrb> | well it runs the code with a protected memory space and what not |
| 14:08 | <EFscreen> | -nods- |
| 14:08 | <mikegrb> | some other extra conditions put on it |
| 14:08 | <EFscreen> | if i set a breakpoint at the beginning of the offending function, it works. if I don't, fails. But I lack in C. |
| 14:08 | <mikegrb> | it should run it like normal, but then, I suppose it couldn't do it's job |
| 14:08 | <mikegrb> | :/ |
| 14:09 | <adamgent> | it is possible that the break point is adding a sufficent lag in the program to get it to work |
| 14:09 | <adamgent> | i have had that before, espically when dealing with sockets |
| 14:09 | <EFscreen> | that'd be odd.. considering this is a simple (!) implementation of strupr() |
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| 14:10 | <adamgent> | it is only one possibility |
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| 14:10 | <EFscreen> | but i pondered that.. |
| 14:10 | <adamgent> | but it is unusual for something to work with a breakpoint and without one |
| 14:10 | <mikegrb> | tjfontaine: some time while I was sleeping, orion got 9 connections at once :) |
| 14:11 | <tjfontaine> | I did see that in lusers |
| 14:11 | <@caker> | mikegrb: is that other relays? |
| 14:11 | <tjfontaine> | we had a burst of web clients |
| 14:11 | <mikegrb> | is the page public yet tjfontaine ? |
| 14:11 | <mikegrb> | caker: ? |
| 14:12 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb: no |
| 14:12 | <@caker> | mikegrb: you mean 9 client connections? |
| 14:12 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 14:12 | <mikegrb> | 2 server connections |
| 14:12 | <@caker> | cool |
| 14:12 | <mikegrb> | tjfontaine: have you talked to mist about it/ |
| 14:12 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb: ya |
| 14:13 | <tjfontaine> | he wanted people to use chatzilla |
| 14:13 | <tjfontaine> | yuck! |
| 14:13 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 14:13 | <mikegrb> | he uses it |
| 14:13 | <mikegrb> | I've never tried it to see what it's like |
| 14:13 | <tjfontaine> | I told him I would at it and the href but that we should encourage "native" clients |
| 14:13 | <tjfontaine> | I hate it... |
| 14:13 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 14:13 | <mikegrb> | I noticed irssi was first |
| 14:14 | <tjfontaine> | yes, cli is always first |
| 14:14 | <tjfontaine> | then gui |
| 14:14 | <tjfontaine> | then commercial no oSS |
| 14:14 | <mikegrb> | then crazy |
| 14:14 | <tjfontaine> | but alas mist wants chatzilla/mozilla first |
| 14:14 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 14:14 | <tjfontaine> | xchat runs on all virtually popular desktop operating systems |
| 14:15 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 14:15 | <mikegrb> | that parses funny |
| 14:15 | <tjfontaine> | ya |
| 14:15 | <tjfontaine> | xchat runs on virtually all popular desktop operating systems |
| 14:15 | <mikegrb> | like ms win is virtually popular b/c of all the pc's it came with |
| 14:16 | <mikegrb> | whereas linux /is/ popular b/c everyone who has it installed it b/c they wanted to use it |
| 14:16 | <mikegrb> | I think I'm going to give mandrake a shot |
| 14:16 | <adamgent> | a lot of people still find linux hard to use |
| 14:16 | <mikegrb> | put it on my wifes laptop |
| 14:16 | <mikegrb> | indeed |
| 14:17 | <adamgent> | i tend to use linux for servers and windows as a workstation |
| 14:17 | <tjfontaine> | the wifey will like mdk |
| 14:17 | <mikegrb> | heidi was complaining last night b/c she wanted to be to get on irc |
| 14:17 | <mikegrb> | s/be to/be able to/ |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | I'll even put gnome on it |
| 14:18 | <tjfontaine> | mdk is uber easy |
| 14:18 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | what do you use for email? |
| 14:18 | <adamgent> | so is debian |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | she uses kmail right now and likes it |
| 14:18 | <tjfontaine> | evolution or squirrelmail |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | evo it is then |
| 14:18 | <adamgent> | pine is the best one!! |
| 14:18 | <mikegrb> | heh not for my wife |
| 14:19 | <mikegrb> | I use mutt |
| 14:19 | <tjfontaine> | adamgent: I agree to an extent, debian doesn't offer the gui tools that help n00bs learn |
| 14:19 | <adamgent> | i never use the gui tools so |
| 14:19 | <tjfontaine> | right cause you don't have to |
| 14:19 | <adamgent> | well i dont install x so |
| 14:19 | | * mikegrb wanders over to the mdk page to start the home computer dl'ing the iso(s) |
| 14:20 | <adamgent> | sometimes I wish I had though, but webmin tends to be good for the some things |
| 14:20 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb: you can't dl them yet |
| 14:20 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb: but I'll hook you up |
| 14:20 | <mikegrb> | x on server is silly |
| 14:20 | <mikegrb> | tjfontaine: I don't want 9.2, it might break my cd-rom drive ;) |
| 14:20 | <mikegrb> | then I'd be in big trouble |
| 14:20 | | * tjfontaine with holds comment |
| 14:20 | <@caker> | that's insane |
| 14:20 | <adamgent> | some people like to use vnc though |
| 14:23 | <mikegrb> | ftp://helios.dii.utk.edu/pub/linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/ |
| 14:23 | <mikegrb> | there's 9.2 tj |
| 14:23 | <tjfontaine> | not isos though |
| 14:23 | <tjfontaine> | besides I can give you a closer mirror to do a netinst |
| 14:24 | <tjfontaine> | one in penn |
| 14:24 | <tjfontaine> | in fact theres prolly a couple in SC you can use |
| 14:26 | <tjfontaine> | ftp://mandrake.mirrors.pair.com/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/ |
| 14:26 | <tjfontaine> | thats penn |
| 14:34 | <mikegrb> | hmmm |
| 14:34 | <mikegrb> | net install :) |
| 14:34 | <mikegrb> | I need a boot iso for that? |
| 14:34 | <tjfontaine> | you don't you need a boot floppy |
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| 14:35 | <mikegrb> | ahh |
| 14:35 | <mikegrb> | okay |
| 14:35 | <mikegrb> | then I'll wait til I get home to play |
| 14:35 | <mikegrb> | oh wait |
| 14:35 | <mikegrb> | boot floppy vould be a prob |
| 14:35 | <mikegrb> | oh I can burn it to cd then copy to floppy on her laptop |
| 14:35 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 14:35 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 14:35 | | * mikegrb doesn't have enough floppy drives to go round |
| 14:36 | <mikegrb> | silly un-necessary expense |
| 14:36 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 14:36 | <mikegrb> | hmm |
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| 14:36 | <mikegrb> | net install may not be the best route with wifi but I'll give it a go |
| 14:36 | <tjfontaine> | again |
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| 14:36 | <tjfontaine> | I can give you isos |
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| 14:38 | <mikegrb> | hmm |
| 14:38 | <mikegrb> | okay |
| 14:38 | <mikegrb> | bt only? |
| 14:38 | | * mikegrb doesn't have a bt client installed :< |
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| 14:39 | <mikegrb> | 14:39 <heidi> did a netsplit happen earlier |
| 14:39 | <mikegrb> | she's so smart :D |
| 14:43 | | * mikegrb is afk gor a bit |
| 14:44 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
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| 15:25 | <adamgent> | those netsplits keep coming |
| 15:26 | <@guinea-pig> | let's head 'em off |
| 15:30 | -!- | guinea-pig was kicked from #linode by guinea-pig [Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary...] |
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| 15:30 | -!- | mode/#linode [+o guinea-pig] by ChanServ |
| 15:31 | <@guinea-pig> | y0 caker, register yer nick, f00. i can't add you to the access list otherwise :P |
| 15:44 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: um, ok how do I do that? |
| 15:45 | <mikegrb> | /msg nickserv register <password> <enauk address> |
| 15:45 | <@caker> | make up a pw? |
| 15:45 | <adamgent> | yes |
| 15:45 | <mikegrb> | then people can't impersonate you |
| 15:46 | <adamgent> | then each time you connect you will need to enter the password into nickserv |
| 15:46 | <@caker> | sweet |
| 15:46 | <@caker> | ok done |
| 15:46 | <@caker> | and somehow you can "own" certain channels? or if I'm registered and create a channel, it remembers? |
| 15:47 | <mikegrb> | aye |
| 15:47 | <mikegrb> | but that bit is chanserv |
| 15:47 | <adamgent> | no, only if the channel is registered with the chanserv |
| 15:47 | <mikegrb> | /msg chanserv help |
| 15:47 | <@caker> | hehe just did that :) |
| 15:48 | <@guinea-pig> | :) |
| 15:51 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: all set :) |
| 15:52 | <@guinea-pig> | i noticed |
| 15:52 | <@guinea-pig> | /msg chanserv access #linode list |
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| 15:52 | <@caker> | woohoo! |
| 15:52 | <@guinea-pig> | hehe |
| 15:52 | <@guinea-pig> | usuallly i kick people to test chanserv :P |
| 15:52 | <@guinea-pig> | (old habit) |
| 15:53 | <adamgent> | but kicking people is not very nice |
| 15:53 | <mikegrb> | indeed |
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| 15:55 | <@guinea-pig> | i've been hanging around crackmonkey (and cohorts) too long |
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| 15:55 | <tjfontaine> | I hang around a crack monkey all the time, except she doesn't like it when I call her that |
| 15:55 | <mikegrb> | :D |
| 15:55 | <@guinea-pig> | obviously not the same person |
| 15:58 | <@guinea-pig> | caker: out of curiosity, why does upgrading ram, bandwidth, diskspace, etc individually run so much more $ than upgrading to the next level? |
| 15:58 | <@caker> | The RAM is the only thing that's way out of line |
| 15:58 | <mikegrb> | 'cause it's a bussiness ;) |
| 15:58 | <@caker> | essentially the RAM is what limits the number of Linodes on one machine |
| 15:59 | <@guinea-pig> | yeah. RAM |
| 15:59 | <@caker> | 64MB of ram should be $20 bucks, since that's another Linode slot |
| 15:59 | <@caker> | but then again, you should just upgrade to the next plan |
| 15:59 | <mikegrb> | makes sense |
| 15:59 | <@guinea-pig> | exactly my thinking |
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| 15:59 | <@caker> | eh? |
| 15:59 | <@guinea-pig> | if i'm gonna pay an extra $20, why not just go all the way |
| 15:59 | <@caker> | Exactly |
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| 15:59 | <@guinea-pig> | have you had anyone just pay $20 for RAM? |
| 15:59 | <@caker> | Actually, yes |
| 16:00 | <@guinea-pig> | heh |
| 16:00 | <@caker> | I don't get it either |
| 16:00 | <@caker> | I think my RAM prices are wrong, too |
| 16:00 | <adamgent> | you have to make money somewhere!! |
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| 16:01 | <@caker> | Heh, my ram prices are double -- 64MB of ram would cost you 40 bucks |
| 16:01 | | * caker goes to fix that |
| 16:02 | <@guinea-pig> | heard about ipv6 yet? i'm giddy |
| 16:02 | <@caker> | Nope, chick said she'd email me back after lunch (in CA) |
| 16:02 | <@guinea-pig> | ever had lunch in CA? |
| 16:03 | <@caker> | She didn't know/hadn't heard about it |
| 16:03 | <@guinea-pig> | that could be well over a couple hours long |
| 16:03 | <@caker> | which is a little scary, but she's been great so far |
| 16:03 | <@caker> | hehe |
| 16:03 | <@guinea-pig> | a comedian said "i flaked" is an acceptable excuse in SF... i didn't believe him until i got there |
| 16:03 | <@guinea-pig> | i flaked for a whole week |
| 16:04 | <Artifexx> | 'flaked'? |
| 16:04 | <@guinea-pig> | forgot about, most likely |
| 16:04 | | * caker notices the prices are correct in the db, just not on the linodes page |
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| 16:05 | <@guinea-pig> | "dude, you were supposed to drive me to the hospital for $URGENT_SURGERY" |
| 16:05 | <@guinea-pig> | "oh, i flaked" |
| 16:05 | <@guinea-pig> | "oh, that's ok then" |
| 16:05 | <@caker> | heh |
| 16:05 | <@caker> | rko: hello |
| 16:08 | <adamgent> | brb |
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| 16:08 | -!- | mode/#linode [+o adamgent] by ChanServ |
| 16:08 | <@adamgent> | good damm wireless networks |
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| 16:32 | <EFscreen> | mm |
| 16:32 | <@caker> | eh? |
| 16:33 | <EFscreen> | caker, smack rdns.cfm and make that server use 12.96.160.115 for checks :P |
| 16:33 | <@caker> | hmm |
| 16:33 | <@caker> | what's the problem? when you perform a lookup it's still not resolving? |
| 16:33 | <EFscreen> | unsure why the two 216 nameservers are still using old root glue |
| 16:34 | <EFscreen> | eh, check forever.broked.net against each of 12.96.160.115 216.156.129.66 216.234.234.30 .. the latter two have glue that's > 24hrs old |
| 16:34 | <EFscreen> | it'll solve itself in a few hours i'm sure. just curious as to why they are keeping glue that long. |
| 16:35 | <EFscreen> | I purposely did NOT hit those two servers with the quuery yesterday to prevent them from getting old NS's |
| 16:36 | <@caker> | I just restarted named so give it a shot again please |
| 16:36 | <@caker> | (and updated root server list) |
| 16:37 | <EFscreen> | word. |
| 16:37 | <@caker> | :) |
| 16:37 | <EFscreen> | :) |
| 16:57 | <mikegrb> | yeah! |
| 16:57 | <mikegrb> | no more open ticket :) |
| 16:57 | <@caker> | heh |
| 16:57 | <@caker> | feel better? |
| 16:57 | <mikegrb> | heh indeed |
| 16:57 | <mikegrb> | now I just got to decide if I want to use zope or bes-cms for my personal site |
| 16:58 | | * tjfontaine will follow mikegrb's lead |
| 16:58 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 16:58 | <mikegrb> | damn |
| 16:58 | <mikegrb> | I wish I could follow yours |
| 16:58 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 16:58 | <tjfontaine> | wandering life aimlessly is not a way to lead |
| 16:59 | <mikegrb> | it's good enough for me |
| 16:59 | <tjfontaine> | apparently the psuedo-wife doesn't want to talk to me today |
| 16:59 | <@guinea-pig> | but following an aimless wanderer is a good way to follow :) |
| 16:59 | <mikegrb> | lucky for you |
| 17:00 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
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| 17:01 | <tjfontaine> | definitely kinetic problem |
| 17:01 | <mikegrb> | yess |
| 17:01 | <mikegrb> | er yes |
| 17:01 | <mikegrb> | heidi understands irc network topology now |
| 17:01 | <mikegrb> | I drew her a picture :) |
| 17:01 | <tjfontaine> | heh wish i did ;-) |
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| 17:01 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:06 | <mikegrb> | zope looks interesting |
| 17:06 | <mikegrb> | definatley scales |
| 17:06 | <@adamgent> | ive not looked at it for about 4 years |
| 17:06 | <mikegrb> | I was suprised with the size of some of the sites on the list |
| 17:07 | <mikegrb> | uses it's own server but apache with mod_rewrite and mod_proxy can redirect zope stuff |
| 17:08 | <@adamgent> | im a perl coder so zope is not much use |
| 17:08 | <mikegrb> | ahh |
| 17:08 | <mikegrb> | bes-cms is nice in that it has an api for intigrating your own stuff into it |
| 17:09 | <@adamgent> | i just tend to stick to apache for ease |
| 17:09 | <mikegrb> | I kind of like the look |
| 17:09 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 17:09 | <mikegrb> | that kind of puts me off zope |
| 17:10 | <@adamgent> | what does? |
| 17:10 | <mikegrb> | the own server bit |
| 17:10 | <@adamgent> | but linode you can use it |
| 17:10 | <mikegrb> | I installed bes-cms at home though to properly decide, I should install zope at home too |
| 17:10 | <mikegrb> | well I know |
| 17:10 | <mikegrb> | but I like apache |
| 17:11 | <mikegrb> | I know it :) |
| 17:11 | <@adamgent> | the problem is I dont think many virtual hosts etc |
| 17:11 | <Artifexx> | hey |
| 17:11 | <mikegrb> | howdy arti |
| 17:11 | <Artifexx> | zeta will be shipping soon |
| 17:11 | <Artifexx> | woot! |
| 17:11 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:11 | <@adamgent> | ji |
| 17:11 | <tjfontaine> | zeta? |
| 17:11 | <@adamgent> | i just tend to be lazy I can set-up apache in 10-15 minutes and it works |
| 17:12 | <Artifexx> | tjfontaine: http://www.yellowtab.com/ |
| 17:12 | <@caker> | anyone ever do J2EE developemnt? now that's a bitch to get setup |
| 17:12 | <Artifexx> | it's a bastard child of BeOS |
| 17:12 | <@adamgent> | looked at it never got any futher |
| 17:12 | <Artifexx> | cake |
| 17:12 | <tjfontaine> | ah ya |
| 17:12 | <Artifexx> | 3 words |
| 17:12 | <Artifexx> | that will make you tremble |
| 17:13 | <Artifexx> | visualage for java |
| 17:13 | <Artifexx> | :-| |
| 17:13 | <Artifexx> | a.k.a. the worst product ever publicly released. |
| 17:13 | <@caker> | is that IBM's container ? |
| 17:13 | <Artifexx> | yeah |
| 17:13 | <@caker> | we used persistance |
| 17:13 | <@caker> | ugh |
| 17:13 | <Artifexx> | blech |
| 17:13 | <Artifexx> | well |
| 17:13 | <@adamgent> | i tend to aviod java where possible |
| 17:13 | <Artifexx> | it's all pretty horrid |
| 17:14 | <@caker> | you don't need no stinking UML diagrams |
| 17:14 | <@caker> | just code |
| 17:16 | <mikegrb> | hmmm gentoo has zope ebuilds |
| 17:16 | <mikegrb> | bonus points for zope |
| 17:16 | <@adamgent> | so does debian!! |
| 17:17 | <tjfontaine> | so does mandrake!!! |
| 17:17 | <@adamgent> | and we could go through every distro |
| 17:17 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:18 | | * Artifexx dislikes zope |
| 17:18 | <Artifexx> | and on that note |
| 17:18 | <Artifexx> | im heading home |
| 17:18 | <Artifexx> | ciao |
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| 17:19 | <@adamgent> | so what is people favorite programming language then |
| 17:20 | <@guinea-pig> | i'm just looking for a CMS that already has support for gallery. other than post/phpnuke |
| 17:20 | <tjfontaine> | guinea-pig: me too! |
| 17:20 | <@guinea-pig> | i prefer bash :) |
| 17:20 | <tjfontaine> | adamgent: do scripting languages count? |
| 17:20 | <@guinea-pig> | actually, i found one. geeklog |
| 17:20 | <@caker> | 10 GOTO 10 |
| 17:20 | <@caker> | RUN |
| 17:20 | <@adamgent> | well if bash is allowed then I guess so |
| 17:20 | <@adamgent> | good old basic |
| 17:20 | <tjfontaine> | I'm all for perl then |
| 17:21 | <@adamgent> | and the renumber command was a god send |
| 17:21 | <@caker> | I used to joke about some kid I disliked programming his personality into the computer |
| 17:21 | <@caker> | ... |
| 17:21 | <@caker> | 10 goto 10 |
| 17:21 | <@caker> | was his personality |
| 17:21 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:22 | <@caker> | I really enjoyed coding in Java -- so strict, kinda cool |
| 17:22 | <mikegrb> | okay tj, zope is on it's way |
| 17:22 | | * caker runs |
| 17:22 | <@adamgent> | i use java when I have to, hoping not to use it for a while though |
| 17:23 | <@caker> | but then again, I had a huge class file just to parse command line options .. it gets big fast |
| 17:23 | | * adamgent thinks of the java lab he has to run on thursday |
| 17:23 | <@adamgent> | much prefer perl |
| 17:24 | <@caker> | I started out in ACOS, an ancient BBS programming language on Apple IIe |
| 17:24 | <@adamgent> | i guess i started with basic then pascal |
| 17:25 | <@guinea-pig> | yeah, BASIC on a IIc.. good times |
| 17:26 | <@guinea-pig> | i used to constantly tell it to iterate through all the pixels on the screen, colouring each one a random colour |
| 17:26 | <@adamgent> | i had the fun oc bbc basic |
| 17:26 | <@adamgent> | s/oc/of/ |
| 17:26 | <@caker> | bbc basic? |
| 17:26 | <@guinea-pig> | and i was fascinated by the patterns. IIc's random weren't too random, apparantly |
| 17:26 | <@caker> | guinea-pig: only so many colors in 8 bit gfx |
| 17:26 | <@adamgent> | the acron bbc's |
| 17:26 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:27 | <@guinea-pig> | caker: oh hush :P |
| 17:27 | <@caker> | Now, if you were talking IIgs .. with a palatte for EACH LINE of 4096 colors |
| 17:27 | <@caker> | woohoo! |
| 17:27 | | * tjfontaine misses vic 20 and c64 basic |
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| 17:32 | <@caker> | hello sunny |
| 17:32 | <sunny> | hey, whats up ? |
| 17:32 | <@adamgent> | hi |
| 17:33 | | * caker wants some people to test 2.4.23-pre8 kernel |
| 17:33 | <sunny> | does it fix0r the /dev/kmem issue ? |
| 17:33 | <@caker> | Jeff still hasn't got around to it, so I doubt it |
| 17:33 | <@caker> | you could go bug him in #uml :-p |
| 17:34 | <sunny> | I see |
| 17:34 | <sunny> | I have no idea what I'm running right now |
| 17:34 | <sunny> | 2.4.22-linode10-5um |
| 17:34 | <sunny> | seems stable enough |
| 17:34 | <mikegrb> | This trojan is now identified :IRC.Trojan.Fgt [Symantec] IRC-Worm.Fagot [Kaspersky], Fagot [F-Secure] |
| 17:34 | <mikegrb> | Type: Trojan Horse |
| 17:34 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:34 | <mikegrb> | gotta love a trojan with that name |
| 17:35 | <@caker> | sunny: i'm also wrapping up a new debian fs update |
| 17:36 | <sunny> | cool |
| 17:38 | <sunny> | mikegrb: you run a virus scanner without running clamav ? shame on you! :P |
| 17:38 | <mikegrb> | no |
| 17:38 | <mikegrb> | thats from bugtraq |
| 17:38 | <sunny> | ahh, I see, my mistake |
| 17:38 | <mikegrb> | heh np |
| 17:41 | <@caker> | think lunch is over in cali? |
| 17:43 | <mikegrb> | yes! |
| 17:43 | <mikegrb> | 1:43 |
| 17:43 | <mikegrb> | I think |
| 17:43 | <@caker> | 2:42 there, i think |
| 17:44 | <mikegrb> | well |
| 17:44 | <mikegrb> | you're probably right |
| 17:45 | <sunny> | it would be cool |
| 17:45 | <@caker> | mikegrb: ever get your xbox going again? |
| 17:45 | <sunny> | if upon the generation of your linode ... you could select your timezone, heh |
| 17:46 | <mikegrb> | caker: not yet |
| 17:46 | <mikegrb> | I forgot to send tj money for shipping <g> |
| 17:46 | <@caker> | i think the debian one defaults to UTC .. I set the new one up for eastern time |
| 17:46 | <tjfontaine> | heh /me forgot to go to USPS |
| 17:46 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:46 | <sunny> | wouldn't UTC make more sense ? |
| 17:46 | <@adamgent> | utc, gmt it is all the same |
| 17:46 | <@caker> | wouldn't people just change it afterwords? |
| 17:46 | <mikegrb> | I've been sort of putting it off due to needing to setup paypal with new email address and what not |
| 17:47 | <mikegrb> | then it gets late and I go to bed |
| 17:47 | <tjfontaine> | I'll send it tomorrow regardless |
| 17:47 | <sunny> | caker: yeah, but UTC would be more of a universal starter, no ? |
| 17:47 | <tjfontaine> | what time do gov't places open, 9? |
| 17:47 | <@caker> | sunny: only reason i decided to change it was cause everything else is set to eastern ... |
| 17:47 | <mikegrb> | 8 or 9 |
| 17:47 | <mikegrb> | we open at 8 |
| 17:48 | <tjfontaine> | USPS is prolly 9 |
| 17:48 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:48 | <tjfontaine> | I'll do it on my way to work after classes |
| 17:48 | <mikegrb> | :D |
| 17:48 | <sunny> | caker: beats me, I set it to EDT cuz I live in it |
| 17:49 | <@caker> | sunny: okay :) |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:49 | | * mikegrb too |
| 17:49 | <tjfontaine> | oh oh /me too |
| 17:49 | <tjfontaine> | and if arti were here he'd say /me too |
| 17:50 | <sunny> | NYC ... you guys ? |
| 17:50 | <mikegrb> | charleston, sc |
| 17:50 | <mikegrb> | tj I didn't realise EST went that far west |
| 17:50 | <tjfontaine> | Alliance, Ohio |
| 17:50 | <mikegrb> | I know somewhere in TN it changes |
| 17:50 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb: I'm only less than an hour from penn |
| 17:50 | <mikegrb> | I thought it was east of nashville though |
| 17:50 | <tjfontaine> | it changes in indiana |
| 17:51 | <tjfontaine> | well I could hit pitt in about an hour probably |
| 17:54 | <tjfontaine> | too much temptation to shirk responsibility and check irc... I've gotta go /away |
| 17:55 | <@caker> | http://www.time.gov/ |
| 17:56 | <tjfontaine> | tick.usno.navy.mil and tock.usno.navy.mil for est folk |
| 18:06 | | * Artifex too |
| 18:06 | <EFscreen> | lala. |
| 18:08 | -!- | guinea-pig is now known as guinea-sleep |
| 18:12 | | * Artifex is away: food, bbiaf |
| 18:39 | -!- | Phonepiks [Phonepiks@wristpiks.plus.com] has joined #linode |
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