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| 05:36 | <sunny> | moo |
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| 05:53 | <adamgent> | morning all |
| 06:14 | <sunny> | hi :) |
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| 12:10 | <@caker> | hey guys |
| 12:10 | <tjfontaine> | hi |
| 12:11 | <adamgent> | hi |
| 12:11 | <@caker> | anything going on? |
| 12:11 | <adamgent> | nope |
| 12:11 | <tjfontaine> | slacking off at work |
| 12:11 | <@caker> | heh |
| 12:12 | | * tjfontaine enjoys updating RPMS for MDK |
| 12:12 | <sunny> | tjfontaine: which ver ? |
| 12:12 | <tjfontaine> | 9.2 |
| 12:12 | <sunny> | doh |
| 12:13 | <sunny> | I need more 9.1 users for my OOo1.1 backport :) |
| 12:13 | <tjfontaine> | ooh, OO.org is a hard build |
| 12:13 | <tjfontaine> | takes quite some time |
| 12:13 | <tjfontaine> | after I get my OpenMosix+LTSP up I'll do that one :-) |
| 12:14 | <sunny> | yeh, took me 22 hours for 3 builds of it, heh |
| 12:14 | <@caker> | oo = openoffice? |
| 12:14 | <tjfontaine> | ya, /me thinks distcc+ccache+mosix |
| 12:15 | <sunny> | distcc makes moxis sorta useless |
| 12:15 | <sunny> | they aren't mutually exclusive |
| 12:15 | <tjfontaine> | unless distcc is running cygwin |
| 12:15 | <sunny> | ew, thats output I wouldn't trust, heh |
| 12:16 | <tjfontaine> | usually I'm ok as long as I don't try to push to far on gcc versions |
| 12:50 | <tjfontaine> | heh wrong window mayhaps? |
| 12:51 | <mikegrb> | you talking to me? |
| 12:51 | <tjfontaine> | perhaps |
| 12:51 | <mikegrb> | I noticed you silly |
| 12:51 | <tjfontaine> | hmm... ugly xchat bug |
| 12:51 | <tjfontaine> | went to the wrong tab... |
| 12:52 | <mikegrb> | indeed |
| 12:52 | <tjfontaine> | sorry for the noise |
| 12:52 | <mikegrb> | I've had that happen a few times |
| 13:17 | | * tjfontaine ponders wandering into the world of rebuilding mdk9.2 with gtk+-2.3 |
| 13:18 | <mikegrb> | nah |
| 13:18 | <mikegrb> | just use gentoo |
| 13:18 | <tjfontaine> | hiss |
| 13:18 | <tjfontaine> | :-) |
| 13:19 | <mikegrb> | hmm |
| 13:19 | <mikegrb> | ie had decided it will not load any images |
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| 14:03 | <adamgent> | has anyone here ever rolled there own debain package |
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| 14:45 | <@caker> | adamgent: no I've never |
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| 14:47 | <Efudd-> | ... 'lo |
| 14:47 | <tjfontaine> | hello |
| 14:48 | <adamgent> | hi |
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| 15:16 | <@guinea-work> | adamgent: depending on what sort of package, that could be an easy thing to do |
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| 15:17 | <@guinea-pig> | then again, i've had practice |
| 15:17 | <@guinea-pig> | single binary, autoconfiscated source is the easiest, i think |
| 15:17 | <adamgent> | guinea-pig: just looking at custom install of mysql, apache etc |
| 15:18 | <@guinea-pig> | oh, you just mean recompiling an existing .deb with custom options, then? |
| 15:19 | <@guinea-pig> | i looked at apache's .deb build setup yesterday, and it's kinda ugly |
| 15:19 | <adamgent> | no creating them from scratch |
| 15:19 | <@guinea-pig> | oh |
| 15:19 | <adamgent> | the deb for apache is far to out of data |
| 15:19 | <adamgent> | date even |
| 15:19 | <@guinea-pig> | 1.3.28? |
| 15:19 | <adamgent> | something like that |
| 15:19 | <@guinea-pig> | what's the current? |
| 15:19 | <adamgent> | im using 2. something |
| 15:20 | <@guinea-pig> | then you want the apache2 packages :P |
| 15:20 | <adamgent> | well... |
| 15:21 | <@guinea-pig> | apt-cache search apache2-mpm |
| 15:21 | <sunny> | why not just install the source and use a tiny tool for keeping track of file system changes ? |
| 15:21 | <adamgent> | for some reason i just done really like using the pre-built packages |
| 15:22 | <@guinea-pig> | but you always want to install from a package, and not from source? i hear ya |
| 15:22 | <adamgent> | when you have 100+ machines to do |
| 15:23 | <@guinea-pig> | aha |
| 15:23 | <@caker> | adamgent: that's a lot of machines :) |
| 15:23 | <@guinea-pig> | well, i'd recommend |
| 15:23 | <adamgent> | there all p133 |
| 15:23 | <@guinea-pig> | apt-get source apache2 |
| 15:23 | <@guinea-pig> | apt-get build-dep apache2 |
| 15:24 | <@guinea-pig> | and then tinkering around in the existing debian build setup instead of rolling your own debian build setup |
| 15:24 | <@guinea-pig> | unless apache2's as messed up as apache1 |
| 15:24 | | * guinea-pig looks |
| 15:24 | <adamgent> | i will get around to it as some point, I tend to just be lazy and leave it |
| 15:25 | <@guinea-pig> | it's ugly... just not *as* ugly as apache1's |
| 15:25 | <adamgent> | it is only a problem when people need things that have non standard flags etc |
| 15:25 | <@guinea-pig> | have you ever built a deb before? |
| 15:25 | <adamgent> | no |
| 15:25 | <@guinea-pig> | ok |
| 15:26 | <adamgent> | ive tended to just use shell scripts instead |
| 15:26 | <adamgent> | test the install on one machine and then hope it works on all the rest |
| 15:26 | <@guinea-pig> | apt-get install build-essential devscripts :) |
| 15:26 | <adamgent> | i wish it was that simple |
| 15:26 | <sunny> | yeah, i can't see why you'd ever install an important server from a package ... the package and your personal preferences are never the same, heh |
| 15:27 | <@guinea-pig> | apt-get source apache2 |
| 15:27 | <@guinea-pig> | cd apache2-* |
| 15:27 | <@guinea-pig> | edit debian/rules to your liking |
| 15:27 | <sunny> | but location of files, etc etc |
| 15:27 | <@guinea-pig> | it's a makefile. that's where the configure options are |
| 15:27 | <sunny> | my entire apache is in /usr/local/apache .. and my site is at /home/www |
| 15:28 | <@guinea-pig> | /usr/lib/apache/ and /var/www |
| 15:28 | <adamgent> | yeah but that is the apache conf file |
| 15:28 | <adamgent> | not an install option |
| 15:28 | <adamgent> | besides apache was only an example the main things are compilers |
| 15:28 | <sunny> | guinea-pig: I'd be wasting more time tweaking my apache than just doing a source compile, heh |
| 15:29 | <sunny> | s/apache/apache package |
| 15:29 | <@guinea-pig> | adamgent: now you're talking hardcore |
| 15:30 | <adamgent> | well the entire system is for the compilation and processing of apps so it is mainly what the system is used for |
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| 15:31 | <@guinea-pig> | Fetched 27.0MB in 25s (1066kB/s) <-- why i love linode |
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| 15:31 | <@guinea-pig> | gcc is a pain to build. |
| 15:32 | <sunny> | gcc is funny, it builds itself twice, heh |
| 15:32 | <@guinea-pig> | debian build structure is quite simple. run debian/rules clean, debian/rules build, debian/rules binary |
| 15:32 | <adamgent> | i cant remeber what I was building but it was some compiler and it took about 30 attempts to get it so it would run some stupid app |
| 15:32 | <@guinea-pig> | sunny: 3 times, i think |
| 15:32 | <@guinea-pig> | 99.9% of the time, debian/rules is a makefile |
| 15:32 | <sunny> | 3 ? once for the actual build, and another for the chrooted self build ? |
| 15:33 | <sunny> | a third ? |
| 15:33 | <@guinea-pig> | well |
| 15:33 | <@guinea-pig> | there are three stages, at least |
| 15:33 | <@guinea-pig> | the third one is to make sure it can compile itself |
| 15:33 | <@guinea-pig> | or something like that |
| 15:33 | <adamgent> | it is just to check that the first set of builds work |
| 15:33 | <sunny> | yeah, the second build, to weed out bugs in the parent compiler |
| 15:34 | <@guinea-pig> | for debian, gcc, apache, X, etc, all have massively complex build scripts/makefiles |
| 15:34 | <@guinea-pig> | layers |
| 15:35 | <adamgent> | never install x, never got plans to do so |
| 15:35 | <adamgent> | s/isntall/installed |
| 15:35 | <sunny> | apache should be pretty straight forward |
| 15:35 | <@guinea-pig> | obfuscation to make things simpler. go figure |
| 15:35 | <sunny> | just getting debconf to 0wn the conf files would seem tricky |
| 15:35 | <@guinea-pig> | heh |
| 15:36 | <@guinea-pig> | i *still* get confused between conffiles and configuration files |
| 15:36 | <@guinea-pig> | debconf isn't supposed to touch one of them |
| 15:36 | <sunny> | I really wish linode's debian small didn't have the password issue |
| 15:36 | <adamgent> | it only takes 30 seconds to fix |
| 15:37 | <adamgent> | enable it, then change the root passwd |
| 15:37 | <sunny> | yeah, but I wonder what policies does caker use in answering those debconf questions |
| 15:38 | <@guinea-pig> | probably used the default answers |
| 15:38 | <sunny> | and Mandrake small can be down to 100 megs .. not 200-something |
| 15:38 | <adamgent> | well he said he will sort it out, but it is default for them to be off |
| 15:39 | <adamgent> | not everyone likes shadow passwords |
| 15:39 | <sunny> | yeah, people running NIS |
| 15:39 | <sunny> | who need to be shot, heh |
| 15:39 | <adamgent> | that they do, but some people need to run it |
| 15:40 | <sunny> | all the tools are right there to migrate right off of NIS at padl.com |
| 15:40 | <@guinea-pig> | Template: passwd/md5 |
| 15:40 | <@guinea-pig> | Type: boolean |
| 15:40 | <@guinea-pig> | Default: false |
| 15:40 | <@guinea-pig> | :< |
| 15:40 | <sunny> | NIS R.I.P in any modern network |
| 15:40 | <@guinea-pig> | i use NIS and shadow and md5 and have no issues on my home network |
| 15:40 | <sunny> | how on earth does NIS work with shadow |
| 15:40 | <sunny> | ? |
| 15:41 | <@guinea-pig> | not *all* nis doesn't work with shadow. just some implementations |
| 15:42 | <sunny> | the parts that make it any bit useful |
| 15:42 | <sunny> | LDAP auth is a far better idea |
| 15:42 | <sunny> | linux and solaris support nsswitch ... it works really nicely |
| 15:44 | <adamgent> | oh well it looks like it is back to the shell scripts |
| 15:45 | <sunny> | I have a tiny shell script |
| 15:45 | <sunny> | http://opencurve.org/~sunny/linux/files/fs_diff |
| 15:45 | <sunny> | fs_diff foobar ; make install ; fs_diff foobar |
| 15:45 | <sunny> | ultra cheap hack |
| 15:47 | <adamgent> | not that simple anymore :-( |
| 15:47 | <sunny> | yeh |
| 15:47 | <adamgent> | i now how to entertain the thought of bsd |
| 15:48 | <sunny> | you could always run fam .. and write a client that would keep track of file changes, heh |
| 15:48 | <@guinea-pig> | ooh i hate seeing that |
| 15:48 | <adamgent> | what |
| 15:48 | <@guinea-pig> | one thing that drives me insane is people using `command` instead of $(command) in a bash script :P |
| 15:48 | <@guinea-pig> | ` isn't nestable, $() is |
| 15:49 | <@guinea-pig> | hehe |
| 15:49 | <adamgent> | people like what they like |
| 15:49 | <@guinea-pig> | yes, i've needed to nest them. i've gone 5 deep once i think |
| 15:49 | <sunny> | $() syntax looks confusing for a newbie .. and so they use `` and learn to stick with it |
| 15:50 | <adamgent> | and when they come from perl coding it tends to stick |
| 15:51 | <@guinea-pig> | damn newbies |
| 15:51 | <@guinea-pig> | hehe |
| 15:51 | <adamgent> | 6mnths ago I couldnt write a shell script to save my life |
| 15:51 | <sunny> | #bash on Freenode is a lovely channel, you guys should check it out |
| 15:52 | <adamgent> | only usually use freenode for the jxta meetings |
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| 15:53 | <mikegrb> | I hang out in mythtv, courier, and dspam channels there |
| 15:53 | <Phonepiks> | Hey guys, anyone able to advise on exmin setups? |
| 15:53 | <adamgent> | possibly |
| 15:53 | <sunny> | later guys |
| 15:53 | <adamgent> | c ay |
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| 15:55 | <Phonepiks> | It dosen't seem to want to start although the logs show checks every 15 mins |
| 15:55 | <Phonepiks> | Nothing seems to be listening on the port |
| 15:55 | <adamgent> | what are the errors when it tries to start |
| 15:55 | <Phonepiks> | Dosen't give any |
| 15:56 | <adamgent> | try to start it in debug mode and see what it says |
| 15:56 | <Phonepiks> | How's that done? |
| 15:56 | <Phonepiks> | -d? |
| 15:57 | <adamgent> | probably take a look in the man page |
| 16:00 | <Phonepiks> | Just get "exim: neither action flags nor mail addresses given" from /usr/sbin |
| 16:00 | <Phonepiks> | Nothing at all from init |
| 16:01 | <Phonepiks> | I'm presuming thats because I'm not giving any commands? |
| 16:01 | <adamgent> | is the debug level at the highest level |
| 16:01 | <adamgent> | it could be |
| 16:02 | <Phonepiks> | li3-85:~# /usr/sbin/exim -d9 |
| 16:02 | <Phonepiks> | Exim version 3.35 debug level 9 uid=0 gid=0 |
| 16:02 | <Phonepiks> | Berkeley DB: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 2.7.7: (08/20/99) |
| 16:02 | <Phonepiks> | Caller is an admin user |
| 16:02 | <Phonepiks> | Caller is a trusted user |
| 16:02 | <Phonepiks> | originator: uid=0 gid=0 login=root name=root |
| 16:02 | <Phonepiks> | sender address = root@li3-85.members.linode.com |
| 16:02 | <Phonepiks> | exim: neither action flags nor mail addresses given |
| 16:03 | <mikegrb> | you want to give it options for it to start in daemon mode |
| 16:03 | <Phonepiks> | OK, shouldn't it run ok on boot though? |
| 16:04 | <Phonepiks> | Seems to be daemoning ok |
| 16:06 | <mikegrb> | well U dunno |
| 16:06 | <mikegrb> | I use courier for mail |
| 16:06 | <Phonepiks> | :o) |
| 16:07 | <Phonepiks> | I need cpanel <grin> |
| 16:07 | <mikegrb> | oh |
| 16:07 | <mikegrb> | well then :/ |
| 16:07 | <mikegrb> | I'm very happy with the full courier sweet |
| 16:08 | <Phonepiks> | Not tried that.. what is it? Another mta etc? |
| 16:08 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 16:08 | <mikegrb> | oops |
| 16:08 | <mikegrb> | s/sweet/suit/ |
| 16:08 | <mikegrb> | suite |
| 16:09 | <mikegrb> | it handles local delivery, imap, pop3, normal mta stuff etc |
| 16:09 | <Phonepiks> | Ooh, webmail too |
| 16:09 | <mikegrb> | also has maildrop which is procmail's biggest competitor |
| 16:09 | <mikegrb> | indeed |
| 16:09 | <Phonepiks> | Hmm I may have a go at that |
| 16:09 | <Phonepiks> | Thx mike |
| 16:10 | <mikegrb> | and the webmail filter editor actually edits the maildrop ~/.mailfiler so even though you make filters from the webmail thing it still gets filtered server side |
| 16:10 | <mikegrb> | heh no prob |
| 16:10 | <mikegrb> | I'm planning on writing a courier + dspam howto soon |
| 16:10 | <Phonepiks> | nice |
| 16:11 | <Phonepiks> | I'm starting to get the hang of this.. very slowly! |
| 16:11 | <mikegrb> | dspam works great too, uses bayesian filtering but instead of just words it look for workd pairs |
| 16:11 | <mikegrb> | er |
| 16:11 | <mikegrb> | looks for word pairs |
| 16:11 | <Phonepiks> | Cool |
| 16:11 | <mikegrb> | works great |
| 16:12 | <Phonepiks> | Like the crap I keep getting "By Via.Gra from OnL1n3 Phar Macy" |
| 16:12 | <Phonepiks> | Followed usually with AKSJD*"$*AALSALDS |
| 16:12 | <mikegrb> | exactly |
| 16:12 | <Phonepiks> | PITA |
| 16:12 | <mikegrb> | when I moved to linode for mail, I started getting some spam again but just b/c headers changes |
| 16:12 | <mikegrb> | headers changed rather |
| 16:12 | <Phonepiks> | Right |
| 16:13 | <mikegrb> | but it has caught up again already |
| 16:13 | <Phonepiks> | :o) |
| 16:13 | <Phonepiks> | BBIAB |
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| 17:05 | <Phonepiks> | Anyone seen this error before.. "mount: Bad address" ? |
| 17:06 | <@caker> | is this inside your Linode? |
| 17:06 | <Phonepiks> | Yup |
| 17:06 | <@caker> | did you add an image to your config and not reboot? |
| 17:07 | <Phonepiks> | Created a disk image, had it working in RH small. Changed to Debian & it gives me that |
| 17:07 | <Phonepiks> | Have rebooted a few times |
| 17:08 | <Phonepiks> | Google comes up with LVM stuff |
| 17:12 | <@caker> | Are you sure you added it to your config profile (the one that you're actually booting) ? |
| 17:14 | <Phonepiks> | Arse! Yeah that'll help! Thanks caker |
| 17:14 | <Phonepiks> | Muppet <grin> |
| 17:14 | <@caker> | nice -- it'll work after rebooting :) |
| 17:14 | <Phonepiks> | Cheers :o) |
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| 17:47 | <mikegrb> | caker we have a nice pretty web irc client for xbox-linux :-) |
| 17:47 | <mikegrb> | http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/docs/websupport.html |
| 17:47 | <@caker> | web irc client? |
| 17:47 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 17:47 | <mikegrb> | not even java applet |
| 17:48 | <mikegrb> | it is cgi based |
| 17:48 | <mikegrb> | tjfontaine set it up |
| 17:48 | <mikegrb> | I'm very impressed |
| 17:48 | <@caker> | holy smokes |
| 17:48 | <mikegrb> | indeed |
| 17:49 | <@caker> | even tab completion |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | even client side javascript for tab completion |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | that blew me awat |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | away |
| 17:49 | <@caker> | is this tjfontaine's script? |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | nah |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | umm |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | I think it is cgi::irc or the otherway around |
| 17:50 | <@caker> | excellent |
| 17:50 | <mikegrb> | even has spiffy hostmask for the users |
| 17:50 | <mikegrb> | @webuser.xbox-linux.sf.net |
| 17:51 | <mikegrb> | it is hosted on tj's linode and connects to orion.oftc.net, on my linode |
| 17:51 | <@caker> | excellent :) |
| 17:51 | <mikegrb> | it has an options page that lets you turn on/off timestamps, smiliey replacement, and the like |
| 17:52 | <@caker> | and probably multiple channels (looks like a tab up top) |
| 17:52 | <mikegrb> | ues |
| 17:52 | <mikegrb> | er yes |
| 17:52 | <@caker> | i want one :) |
| 17:52 | <mikegrb> | it will even change the tab color for activity |
| 17:52 | <mikegrb> | yes very cool |
| 17:52 | <mikegrb> | we discussed something like this at the developers meeting this afternoon |
| 17:53 | <mikegrb> | we were going to offer a java applet and cgi only one, decided this was good enough, no java applet necessary |
| 17:53 | <mikegrb> | supports privmsg to dif tab |
| 17:53 | <@caker> | no doubt |
| 17:59 | <mikegrb> | new feature for linode support? <g> |
| 17:59 | <@caker> | hehe |
| 17:59 | <@caker> | How did you know I was on the download page? |
| 17:59 | <mikegrb> | hehehehe |
| 17:59 | <mikegrb> | I'm telepathic |
| 18:05 | <mikegrb> | wow bji gave Drowned a great reply to his post on the forum |
| 18:36 | -!- | sunny [~sunny@user-12hdtlh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #linode |
| 18:52 | <@caker> | Yes, he did |
| 19:08 | <adamgent> | c ya all tomorrow, time to sleep |
| 19:09 | <@caker> | see ya Adam |
| 19:12 | <mikegrb> | night |
| 19:13 | -!- | adamgent [~ag-webdes@cpc1-cdif1-5-0-cust33.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: sleep...] |
| 20:05 | -!- | rko [~risto@dallas.kotalampi.com] has joined #linode |
| 20:19 | <tjfontaine> | how bout unlimited transfer from node to node :-) |
| 20:27 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 20:27 | <mikegrb> | caker: you around? |
| 20:52 | <@caker> | hello |
| 20:52 | <mikegrb> | hi |
| 20:53 | <mikegrb> | I remember a forum post somewhere abt eventually local trafic wouldn't be counted against bandwidth |
| 20:53 | <mikegrb> | is that currently the case? |
| 20:53 | <@caker> | I have my ebtable rules excluding local traffic |
| 20:53 | <mikegrb> | oh okay |
| 20:53 | <@caker> | but that won't count from dc to dc |
| 20:53 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 20:53 | <@caker> | until I get my ptp gigabit lines to/fro everywhere :) |
| 20:54 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 20:54 | <mikegrb> | I want one of those too |
| 20:54 | <mikegrb> | ;) |
| 20:55 | <mikegrb> | just got my log searching stuff online :) |
| 20:55 | <@caker> | Suprisingly, I've already seen it :) |
| 20:55 | <mikegrb> | moved the logs yesterday or the daybefore but just got the cgi's this evening |
| 20:55 | <@caker> | just earlier |
| 20:55 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 20:55 | <@caker> | I noticed the logs on the other side ended |
| 20:55 | <@caker> | s/side/site |
| 20:55 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 20:55 | <mikegrb> | they come from my client |
| 20:55 | <mikegrb> | so when I moved my client to the linode they ended |
| 20:56 | <@caker> | ok, so school me on a good irc setup |
| 20:56 | <mikegrb> | I played with running a bot but this was more stable |
| 20:56 | <mikegrb> | from which point of view? as a user? |
| 20:56 | <@caker> | client, yeah |
| 20:56 | <mikegrb> | okay |
| 20:56 | <@caker> | run something in screen on your Linode? |
| 20:56 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 20:56 | <mikegrb> | irssi as a client on the linode |
| 20:56 | <@caker> | ok |
| 20:57 | <mikegrb> | irssi supports proxy |
| 20:57 | <@caker> | meaning what, exactly? |
| 20:57 | <mikegrb> | so you tell what ever client at home to connect to irssi as a normal server, but with password |
| 20:57 | <@caker> | you just use it as a proxy? |
| 20:57 | <@caker> | ok |
| 20:57 | <mikegrb> | any channels you were in just open up |
| 20:57 | <@caker> | in your local client? |
| 20:58 | <mikegrb> | you can pullup the screen process and attatch and use irssi as normal from there too |
| 20:58 | <@caker> | right |
| 20:58 | <mikegrb> | well anywhere <g>.... multiple clients can connect to the irssi proxy at same time |
| 20:58 | <mikegrb> | though they are all you (your nick) |
| 20:58 | <@caker> | so screen lets you use irssi as a true client, otherwise you just use it as a proxy (connecting and joining, each time) |
| 20:58 | <mikegrb> | join a channel in one client and all the others join the same channel |
| 20:58 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 20:59 | <mikegrb> | tjfontaine uses irssi this way |
| 20:59 | <@caker> | that I don't get |
| 20:59 | <mikegrb> | he normally has two or three clients connected to his proxy at once |
| 20:59 | <mikegrb> | his work pc, home, and sometimes a laptop |
| 20:59 | <mikegrb> | I use it from screen during the day and at night fire up xchat locally and connect to the irssi proxy |
| 20:59 | <@caker> | I didn't know you could (remotely controlled) join a channel |
| 21:00 | <@caker> | ok |
| 21:00 | <mikegrb> | well you can |
| 21:00 | <@caker> | sorry to be redundant, but when you connect to xchat, are you resuming the existing connections? |
| 21:00 | <@caker> | (not via screen) |
| 21:00 | <mikegrb> | it basically fakes your client into thinking it requested it |
| 21:00 | <@caker> | ok |
| 21:00 | <@caker> | now I get it :) |
| 21:00 | <mikegrb> | yes, existing connection |
| 21:00 | <@caker> | mikegrb: ty |
| 21:01 | <mikegrb> | there is even a plugin for irssi that will flood your client with the text that happened when you were gone |
| 21:01 | <mikegrb> | as if you had the client there the whole time |
| 21:01 | <@caker> | Nice |
| 21:01 | <mikegrb> | no prob |
| 21:01 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 21:01 | <mikegrb> | I've been playing with it but can't get it to work well for me since you use it via proxy and shell split abt 50/50 |
| 21:02 | <mikegrb> | the script is inteded for people who always use it via proxy |
| 21:02 | <mikegrb> | also you should connect to orion |
| 21:02 | <mikegrb> | and I can set your rdns to what ever you want ;) |
| 21:02 | <@caker> | heh, sure will |
| 21:02 | <@caker> | Woohoo! |
| 21:02 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:02 | <@caker> | anyone actually see if I own bigantenna.com ? |
| 21:03 | <mikegrb> | I know you can set rDNS but the server checks to make sure it fwd and reverse resolves |
| 21:03 | <@caker> | I thought someone would have picked that out |
| 21:03 | <mikegrb> | I have a small caching dns server bound to localhost that the irc server has to go through |
| 21:03 | <@caker> | ahh sneaky |
| 21:03 | <@caker> | I do the same on my webserver |
| 21:03 | <@caker> | :) |
| 21:03 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:05 | <mikegrb> | heh you do own it <g> |
| 21:05 | <mikegrb> | I just figured you were grabbing something out of your ass |
| 21:05 | <@caker> | muhahaha |
| 21:06 | <@caker> | No, that was for a previous crazy idea about a distributed network monitoring system |
| 21:06 | <mikegrb> | ahh |
| 21:07 | <mikegrb> | at first thought setting up UML hosting seems easy but linode.com definetly comes across as a polished product |
| 21:07 | <mikegrb> | it's an ingenius idea |
| 21:07 | <@caker> | I'm hoping I have a pretty good head start |
| 21:07 | <mikegrb> | much better then some distributed network monitoring crap ;) |
| 21:07 | <mikegrb> | heh indeed |
| 21:07 | <mikegrb> | just don't sell your stuff <g> |
| 21:07 | <mikegrb> | that's where it gets crazy |
| 21:08 | <@caker> | I worked in secrecy for many months |
| 21:08 | <@caker> | You mean like control panel makers sell theirs? |
| 21:08 | <mikegrb> | on the one hand it would be great to have the revenue but on the other you know they would be using it to go in direct competition with you |
| 21:08 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 21:08 | <@caker> | Yeah, one or the other |
| 21:09 | <mikegrb> | indeed |
| 21:09 | <@caker> | I've already had to make that decision (a few times) |
| 21:09 | <@caker> | Have had a bunch of companies approach me |
| 21:09 | <@caker> | one of them has mock-ups still on a beta site (via google..) |
| 21:09 | <mikegrb> | hmm |
| 21:10 | <@caker> | http://www.dotmedia.com/en/ |
| 21:10 | <@caker> | sunny will be glad to know I'm almost done with the next debian fs |
| 21:13 | <mikegrb> | who are they? |
| 21:13 | <mikegrb> | they use linode on one of the pages? |
| 21:13 | <@caker> | yeah heh, they have their "skin" mock-ups over the platform manager |
| 21:13 | <@caker> | http://www.dotmedia.com/en/products_services/virtualization_management/ |
| 21:14 | <mikegrb> | heh that is the page I am on now |
| 21:14 | <mikegrb> | who are they? |
| 21:14 | <@caker> | some canadian company .. actually DotMedia is just an incubator for a larger VC company |
| 21:15 | <@caker> | "Specify which virtual disk images attatch to which device inside your Linode" on that page :) |
| 21:15 | <tjfontaine> | caker: I'm going to setup an irssi proxy for you to test on my node |
| 21:15 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 21:15 | <mikegrb> | that's the page |
| 21:15 | <mikegrb> | er thats the phrase I say |
| 21:16 | <mikegrb> | damit |
| 21:16 | <@caker> | awesome |
| 21:16 | <mikegrb> | that is the phrase I saw |
| 21:16 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:16 | <@caker> | tjfontaine: awesome, hook me up |
| 21:16 | <tjfontaine> | caker: my pleasure |
| 21:16 | <mikegrb> | having memories of last night trying to type after a glass of whiskey |
| 21:17 | <@caker> | more whiskey this evening? |
| 21:17 | <mikegrb> | no |
| 21:17 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:17 | <mikegrb> | just can't type |
| 21:17 | <@caker> | how's your spelling? |
| 21:17 | <mikegrb> | I was thirsty, can't drink the tap water... so heh |
| 21:17 | <@caker> | I need an irc client with spellchecker |
| 21:17 | <mikegrb> | generally not too bad well I take that back, it's bad |
| 21:17 | <@caker> | heh |
| 21:18 | <mikegrb> | heh irssi has a plugin that does tab completion with an ispell database |
| 21:18 | <tjfontaine> | so does xchat |
| 21:18 | <mikegrb> | it's great just get close hit tab twice and bam a list of words |
| 21:18 | <@caker> | irssi all ncurses based? |
| 21:18 | <mikegrb> | really tj? |
| 21:18 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 21:18 | <mikegrb> | 'emerge irssi' |
| 21:18 | <mikegrb> | :) |
| 21:18 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb: almost positive, plus it fixes my many te h mistakes |
| 21:18 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:18 | <mikegrb> | I should look into that |
| 21:18 | <mikegrb> | haven't really been using xchat for long |
| 21:19 | <mikegrb> | used to just use irssi exclusively |
| 21:19 | <mikegrb> | now that irssi isn't upstairs over the lan it's nice typing into a local client that echos as soon as I type |
| 21:20 | <@caker> | mikegrb: where are you guys located? |
| 21:20 | <mikegrb> | charleston, sc |
| 21:20 | <mikegrb> | tj is in ohio |
| 21:20 | <@caker> | how are the pings to host10 vs host1? |
| 21:20 | <mikegrb> | near/in cleveland |
| 21:20 | <mikegrb> | ummm lemme check |
| 21:20 | <@caker> | ahh cool |
| 21:21 | <tjfontaine> | I'm pulling about 60 it looks |
| 21:21 | <mikegrb> | --- host10.linode.com ping statistics --- |
| 21:21 | <mikegrb> | 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19098ms |
| 21:21 | <mikegrb> | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 81.130/89.091/103.729/6.274 ms |
| 21:22 | <mikegrb> | --- host1.linode.com ping statistics --- |
| 21:22 | <mikegrb> | 20 packets transmitted, 19 received, 5% packet loss, time 19089ms |
| 21:22 | <mikegrb> | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 39.638/42.446/55.911/3.351 ms |
| 21:22 | <@caker> | I've noticed (in general) that cross-country backbone hops cost about 30-40ms |
| 21:22 | <@caker> | yeah |
| 21:22 | <mikegrb> | heh indeed |
| 21:22 | <tjfontaine> | --- host2.linode.com ping statistics --- |
| 21:22 | <tjfontaine> | 23 packets transmitted, 23 received, 0% packet loss, time 22202ms |
| 21:22 | <tjfontaine> | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 58.638/60.087/61.718/0.940 ms |
| 21:23 | <@caker> | I'm going to place some machines at my rack at XO in NJ -- so I'll have the states covered |
| 21:23 | <tjfontaine> | heh groovy |
| 21:23 | <@caker> | The beauty of my system is host machines can be located anywhere |
| 21:23 | | * caker struts |
| 21:24 | <tjfontaine> | lol |
| 21:24 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:24 | <mikegrb> | tjfontaine: caker owns bigantenna.com |
| 21:24 | <@caker> | ping theshore.net ? |
| 21:25 | <tjfontaine> | mch better |
| 21:25 | <mikegrb> | tjfontaine: whisper: you think he is compensating for something else? |
| 21:25 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 21:25 | <@caker> | heh, well it was either linode.com or a porn site |
| 21:25 | <tjfontaine> | --- theshore.net ping statistics --- |
| 21:25 | <tjfontaine> | 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19198ms |
| 21:25 | <tjfontaine> | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 33.742/35.291/36.969/0.931 ms |
| 21:25 | <mikegrb> | --- theshore.net ping statistics --- |
| 21:25 | <mikegrb> | 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19093ms |
| 21:25 | <mikegrb> | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 99.020/103.462/121.289/6.366 ms |
| 21:25 | <mikegrb> | not so good for me |
| 21:25 | <mikegrb> | but heidi is on the phone |
| 21:25 | <tjfontaine> | I get better pings to theshore than I do to my t1 at work |
| 21:26 | <mikegrb> | though she was on the phone for the other pings too |
| 21:26 | | * mikegrb uses VOiP |
| 21:26 | <@caker> | neat |
| 21:26 | <mikegrb> | vonage.com |
| 21:26 | <mikegrb> | got a washington, texas, and charleston phone number and free long distance for 50/mnth |
| 21:27 | <@caker> | scary |
| 21:27 | <mikegrb> | and a free cisco ata-180 so normal phones work |
| 21:27 | <tjfontaine> | cable or dsl? |
| 21:27 | <mikegrb> | cable |
| 21:27 | <@caker> | Damn |
| 21:27 | <tjfontaine> | what kinda upload speed do you have? |
| 21:27 | <tjfontaine> | I can't get squat for a reasonable price from rr |
| 21:27 | <mikegrb> | there normal stuff is 90kbs but I have it turned down so phone is using 30-40kbps |
| 21:27 | <tjfontaine> | dsl is much more reliable for me as well |
| 21:27 | <mikegrb> | sounds better then cell phone |
| 21:28 | <@caker> | wow |
| 21:28 | <mikegrb> | just about as good as normal phone |
| 21:28 | <@caker> | And they just gave you random numbers in 3 states? |
| 21:28 | <mikegrb> | the ata-180 generates callerid and all for normal phones |
| 21:28 | <mikegrb> | well we asked for numbers in those area codes |
| 21:28 | <tjfontaine> | irssi to icq plugin |
| 21:28 | <tjfontaine> | weird |
| 21:28 | <mikegrb> | normally its 40/mnth with one number |
| 21:28 | | * caker has to start worrying about fake phone numbers now |
| 21:28 | <mikegrb> | an extra 5/mnth per "virtual" number |
| 21:29 | <mikegrb> | which just fwds |
| 21:29 | <mikegrb> | an 800 number is like 9.95/mnth for 80 minutes or something and then X/min after that |
| 21:29 | <tjfontaine> | ya when I move out I'll prolly go VoIP and no cell phone |
| 21:29 | <mikegrb> | a fax only line is an extra 10/mnth has its own line |
| 21:30 | <mikegrb> | been pretty happy with the service |
| 21:30 | <mikegrb> | spiffiest of all, you can transfer a call to another number :) |
| 21:30 | <mikegrb> | not like fwding but once you're already on the phone you can say just one sec and heidi can transfer the call to me at work |
| 21:30 | <tjfontaine> | neato |
| 21:31 | <@caker> | toll free deal is pretty sweat |
| 21:31 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 21:31 | <mikegrb> | you should look into it caker |
| 21:31 | <mikegrb> | it works great behind a nat firewall too |
| 21:31 | <mikegrb> | grabs a dhcp ip and then just works |
| 21:31 | <@caker> | The cisco unit does? |
| 21:31 | <mikegrb> | no port fwd'ing necessary |
| 21:31 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 21:31 | <@caker> | ahh |
| 21:31 | <@caker> | cool |
| 21:31 | <tjfontaine> | cisco is nice like that |
| 21:31 | <@caker> | impressive |
| 21:32 | <@caker> | does it have a tcp connection always connected to vonage or something? |
| 21:32 | <mikegrb> | just plug it in pick up the phone press the button on top of it then hit 80# and it tells you its ip... it's good to go then |
| 21:32 | <mikegrb> | it uses sip |
| 21:32 | <mikegrb> | session initiation protocol |
| 21:32 | <mikegrb> | don't know a lot about it though |
| 21:32 | <@caker> | ok |
| 21:32 | <mikegrb> | I want to get into the web interface to the ata-180 |
| 21:33 | <mikegrb> | it dls a config file from tftp.vonage.com which disables it though |
| 21:33 | <@caker> | I wonder what cable companies think when ppl call and tell them their internet connections are down, and they're expecting a very important call |
| 21:33 | <mikegrb> | see what kinds of spiffy stuff I can change |
| 21:33 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:33 | <mikegrb> | I dunno |
| 21:33 | <mikegrb> | it kind of sucks sometimes, it's the only phone at home |
| 21:33 | <@caker> | probably the same thing they thought when they saw my linux boxen |
| 21:33 | <mikegrb> | normally not a prob |
| 21:33 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:34 | <tjfontaine> | silly security for my protection |
| 21:34 | <mikegrb> | yha way back when, when my parents got dsl the tech came upstairs where I told him it was going to be connected, saw the 486 with two nics sitting on the rack with patch pannels and a hub and said "I'm gonna like this install" |
| 21:34 | <@caker> | I'm pretty wired to my cell phone -- tickets, monitoring alerts, machine stats pages :) |
| 21:35 | <mikegrb> | heh yes |
| 21:35 | <mikegrb> | you need it |
| 21:35 | <mikegrb> | or a text pager :-) |
| 21:35 | <@caker> | Haha |
| 21:35 | <@caker> | that's funny |
| 21:35 | <mikegrb> | the tech hooked his test equip to the jack, said I got a signal, hooked the adsl modem up waited for it to sync said here is the PPPoE info |
| 21:35 | <mikegrb> | any questions? |
| 21:36 | <mikegrb> | then we chatted networs and what not for a bit and he left |
| 21:36 | <@caker> | I had a tibook, 100bt ethernet ran throughout the pad, a windows box, and an old server now-my-gateway machine |
| 21:36 | <@caker> | cisco 5005 |
| 21:36 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:36 | <@caker> | a wireless gateway, etc ,etc |
| 21:36 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 21:36 | <mikegrb> | my wife has a laptop with win on it |
| 21:36 | <mikegrb> | 95 even |
| 21:36 | <@caker> | They couldn't get it to work on any, until they realized you have to restart the modem each time you connect it to a different comp |
| 21:37 | <mikegrb> | stupid wireless card wont work, the win95 drivers are not compatable with win95 |
| 21:37 | <@caker> | haha nice |
| 21:37 | <@caker> | Haha |
| 21:37 | <mikegrb> | yup |
| 21:37 | <@caker> | Well, that figures |
| 21:37 | <mikegrb> | she had a wired card that broke as they do |
| 21:37 | <@caker> | right |
| 21:37 | <@caker> | snapped off? |
| 21:37 | <mikegrb> | so I gave her the wifi card from my laptop sense it has onboard |
| 21:37 | <mikegrb> | yup |
| 21:37 | <mikegrb> | well just loose but yes |
| 21:37 | <mikegrb> | my laptop just sits in the living room anyway |
| 21:38 | <@caker> | What sound quality setting do you have your vonage set to? |
| 21:38 | <mikegrb> | the low quality, I think its 30ish |
| 21:39 | <mikegrb> | had it on 90 and it worked fine but my router had issues |
| 21:39 | <mikegrb> | if we pulled up a webpage or something at the same time the connection would be dropped |
| 21:39 | <@caker> | So from the cisco unit, you plug a normal phone? What about wiring the rest of the house? |
| 21:39 | <@caker> | ahh |
| 21:39 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 21:40 | <mikegrb> | though if the house is disconnected at the NIC at the back you can just plug a short patch cable from the back of it to the nearest jack in the wall |
| 21:40 | <mikegrb> | bingo whole house hooked up |
| 21:40 | <@caker> | ok, i actually know what you're talking about |
| 21:40 | <@caker> | that's very impressive |
| 21:41 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:41 | <mikegrb> | though we don't have that |
| 21:41 | <mikegrb> | I finally convinced my wife to get some spiffy 5.8 ghz cordless phones |
| 21:41 | <@caker> | ahh bright idea |
| 21:41 | <mikegrb> | one of those multiple phones to one base jobbies |
| 21:41 | <mikegrb> | told her it couldn't coexist with the 2.4 wifi |
| 21:41 | <mikegrb> | which of course isn't totally a lie |
| 21:42 | <@caker> | heh |
| 21:42 | <mikegrb> | it's pretty convienent though |
| 21:42 | <mikegrb> | one is normally on the coffee table the other on the living room bookshelf on a remote charger |
| 21:43 | <mikegrb> | when the phone beeps b/c low bettery (normally when on it) hit the transfer button pick up the other phone and place the dead one on that charger |
| 21:43 | <@caker> | $0.05 to the UK, $0.18 if they're on a mobile |
| 21:43 | <@caker> | interesting |
| 21:43 | <mikegrb> | there prices are pretty good |
| 21:44 | <mikegrb> | their |
| 21:44 | <mikegrb> | their |
| 21:44 | <mikegrb> | er |
| 21:44 | <mikegrb> | thier |
| 21:44 | <mikegrb> | whatever |
| 21:44 | <@caker> | lol |
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| 21:46 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:46 | <@caker> | ooo |
| 21:46 | <tjfontaine> | :-) |
| 21:46 | <tjfontaine> | gotta fix that login name :-) |
| 21:47 | <mikegrb> | heh since he's comming from your box, his ip matches |
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| 21:47 | <tjfontaine> | much better |
| 21:47 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 21:48 | <tjfontaine> | mike how do you make it load proxy on startup? |
| 21:48 | <mikegrb> | ummm |
| 21:48 | <mikegrb> | good question |
| 21:48 | <tjfontaine> | I always have to restart |
| 21:48 | <mikegrb> | oh I know |
| 21:48 | <mikegrb> | don't reboot |
| 21:48 | <caker-screen> | heh |
| 21:48 | <mikegrb> | ;) |
| 21:48 | <caker-screen> | thanks |
| 21:48 | <mikegrb> | I know there is a way... |
| 21:48 | <mikegrb> | not sure |
| 21:48 | <mikegrb> | you can put a file of commands to execute on startup |
| 21:48 | <tjfontaine> | ok caker, /msg coming your way |
| 21:48 | <@caker> | cool |
| 21:49 | <mikegrb> | what I really need to do is setup my screenrc to run irssi in the first tty |
| 21:49 | <tjfontaine> | no just connect to my node like it was a regular irc server with that password and you're set |
| 21:49 | <@caker> | er, ip? |
| 21:49 | <mikegrb> | then add a startup script to just startup screen detatched as my user on bootup |
| 21:49 | <tjfontaine> | you can also login to the node via conventional terms and screen -R to get into irssi |
| 21:49 | <tjfontaine> | li3-72 |
| 21:50 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb: ya |
| 21:50 | <tjfontaine> | so for in |
