| --- | Log | opened Wed Dec 28 00:00:25 2011 |
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| 00:47 | <kilelme> | what best tool for karaoke on debian ?? |
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| 00:55 | <timmy> | Hello |
| 00:55 | <timmy> | is this the debian channel? because if it's the ubuntu channel then my problem cannot be resolved |
| 00:56 | <riefs> | #Ar-Ros |
| 00:57 | <riefs> | hello |
| 00:57 | <timmy> | hi |
| 00:57 | <riefs> | i want to join server : irc.debian.org |
| 00:58 | <MrFrood> | riefs: this irc.debian |
| 00:58 | <MrFrood> | *this is ... |
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| 00:58 | <riefs> | how to enter to channel |
| 00:58 | <riefs> | ? |
| 00:59 | <MrFrood> | well you are in #debian now |
| 00:59 | <riefs> | i want to get here.server : irc.debian.org |
| 00:59 | <riefs> | channel : #Ar-Ros |
| 00:59 | <riefs> | can u help? |
| 01:00 | <kilelme> | switch to irc.oftc.net |
| 01:00 | <kilelme> | and that channel is #ar-ros |
| 01:00 | <MrFrood> | riefs: /join #channel (if hosted on this server |
| 01:01 | <riefs> | ok... now i get. |
| 01:01 | <riefs> | thanks |
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| 01:03 | <timmy> | im on xubuntu |
| 01:03 | <timmy> | and im loving it |
| 01:03 | <timmy> | xfce is so much more customizable than lxde |
| 01:03 | <timmy> | :O |
| 01:04 | <MrFrood> | timmy: #ubuntu on freenode |
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| 01:07 | <timmy> | but the x-chat on xubuntu put me here |
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| 01:51 | <arial> | what is the topic |
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| 02:27 | <amitz> | rqqwrqq1qqqqqq |
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| 02:27 | <riefs_> | #Ar-Ros |
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| 02:34 | <mou> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrxt7I8ZoGQ&feature=youtu.be |
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| 02:34 | <mutes> | if wine messes up my sound drivers, is there a method to 'reload' them |
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| 03:10 | * | atoz-chevara is away: Silahkan meninggalkan pesan... |
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| 03:34 | <eak> | hoi hoi |
| 03:35 | <heikkila> | hello |
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| 03:35 | <kiso> | hi |
| 03:36 | <kiso> | i have raid controler b100i in my dl160g6 |
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| 03:37 | <FatCat> | What repoistory, do you use for latest Wine? |
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| 03:38 | <FatCat> | "repository"... Sorry |
| 03:38 | <kiso> | i install squeeze |
| 03:38 | <heikkila> | !tell atoz-chevara -about away |
| 03:38 | <kiso> | and installer don't see my raid |
| 03:39 | <kiso> | i found http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid this instruction but i have problem |
| 03:39 | <mutes> | fatcat |
| 03:39 | <mutes> | did you find a solution |
| 03:40 | <FatCat> | oftc'mutes, tried the "lamaresh" repo and seems working |
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| 03:40 | <mutes> | yeah i use that one too fatcat |
| 03:40 | <mutes> | but its kinda bad |
| 03:40 | <mutes> | and old |
| 03:41 | <FatCat> | oftc'mutes, I'll let you know, if I find a more up2date one ;) |
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| 03:42 | <mutes> | what is oftc |
| 03:42 | <heikkila> | mutes, I'm guessing it is this irc-network :) |
| 03:43 | <mutes> | aha :P |
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| 03:43 | <FatCat> | mutes: As I work with one Bouncer in q-net, oftc, anonnet and more, the network of the user is put in front of his nick ;) |
| 03:44 | <kiso> | anyone install debian on hw raid and had a problem with it? |
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| 03:44 | <heikkila> | FatCat, probably you could use: http://www.winehq.org/download/debian . Somehow. You can ask more in #winehq at the Freenode network. |
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| 03:45 | <mutes> | heikkila they dont have a stable .deb |
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| 03:47 | <heikkila> | mutes, FatCat wanted the latest Wine. |
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| 03:48 | <FatCat> | heikkila, thank you, too :) |
| 03:48 | <FatCat> | will try both and stay on the better one |
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| 03:50 | <kiso> | can someone help me with debian Installation from the hw raid? |
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| 03:50 | <heikkila> | FatCat, what do you need Wine for? |
| 03:50 | <mutes> | oh |
| 03:50 | <mutes> | i see |
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| 03:51 | <mutes> | yeah they have those in deb, but everytime i install them it gives me a broken pack error |
| 03:51 | <heikkila> | kiso, probably, but you might have to ask again in a while if noone answers soon. :/ |
| 03:52 | <kiso> | kk |
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| 04:02 | <FatCat> | heikkila, i'll try my luck with old version of itunes ;) |
| 04:03 | <heikkila> | FatCat, okey |
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| 04:12 | <heikkila> | FatCat, have you tried to use Rhythmbox instead? |
| 04:14 | <mutes> | fatcat quodlibet |
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| 04:14 | <mutes> | its the best |
| 04:14 | <mutes> | also does anyone know, if when i make install from 'downloads,' will it install in downloads, or in a pre designated folder |
| 04:16 | <heikkila> | mutes, "make install" uses some script that is distributed with the sources and it should have some uninstall script to. Look for a "makefile" file or maybe install.sh among the sources. |
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| 04:18 | <mutes> | i mean to say, as i compile wine, will it (probably) get thrown to my home folder, or will it install to downloads |
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| 04:18 | <heikkila> | mutes, I think most programs installs into /usr/local |
| 04:18 | <mutes> | if you were to guess |
| 04:19 | <heikkila> | I would guess /usr/local/bin/wine would be the executable and then there's probably libraries in /usr/local/lib/ |
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| 04:20 | <mutes> | thanks |
| 04:20 | <mutes> | i just didnt want to have to move source folders to the folder they install to constantly |
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| 04:21 | <heikkila> | mutes, but if you don't have root or sudo-access you can install it into your home-folder using some sort of --destination-directory flag to the install-script |
| 04:21 | <mutes> | you know |
| 04:21 | <mutes> | who DOESNT have sudo access |
| 04:22 | <mutes> | why wouldnt you have sudo access i dont get that |
| 04:22 | <heikkila> | mutes, if you have a shell account at someone else's computer, but if you own it then you probably have access :) |
| 04:22 | <MrFrood> | mutes: because blanket sudo access is evil |
| 04:22 | <heikkila> | Or if it's a shared computer in your home. |
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| 04:23 | <heikkila> | Or a workplace computer. |
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| 04:28 | <heikkila> | MrFrood, evil == practical :) |
| 04:29 | <MrFrood> | heikkila: it's a poor security model |
| 04:30 | <MrFrood> | sudo should be used to provide specific commands to specific users |
| 04:31 | <MrFrood> | not global |
| 04:31 | <MrFrood> | (imho) |
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| 04:32 | <heikkila> | MrFrood, true, but for a single user system I don't see any problems except for NOPASSWD: ALL clause in sudoers file |
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| 04:33 | <MrFrood> | heikkila: on a single user system the user knows the root password so sudo is redubdent, they can just use su -c |
| 04:33 | <MrFrood> | *redundent |
| 04:34 | <simonlnu> | redundant* |
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| 04:34 | <heikkila> | yes, but then you have to remember your root pw too :) |
| 04:34 | <MrFrood> | simonlnu: yeah that too :P |
| 04:34 | <heikkila> | And I don't know if su -c have a password cache like sudo? |
| 04:34 | <simonlnu> | nope. and it's not a passwd cache, it's a timestamped file |
| 04:35 | <MrFrood> | heikkila: su without the -c |
| 04:35 | <heikkila> | ok simonlnu |
| 04:35 | <simonlnu> | "if (time passed timestamp and configured time passed timestamp) then ask passwd |
| 04:35 | <simonlnu> | " |
| 04:36 | <simonlnu> | or something ;p |
| 04:36 | <heikkila> | MrFrood, of course, that's a good way to not enter your pw more than once, but then you might use some commands that does not require root access and then make some mistake with root access |
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| 04:37 | <simonlnu> | check out /var/lib/sudo |
| 04:37 | <MrFrood> | heikkila: well that's the type of user we send to #cpm :P |
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| 04:38 | <heikkila> | :) |
| 04:40 | <heikkila> | How do I check if I even have a root account? I can't remember if I entered any pw in the installer.. |
| 04:41 | <nevyn> | you installed debian right? |
| 04:41 | <heikkila> | yes |
| 04:41 | <nevyn> | you set a root password |
| 04:42 | <ompaul> | if he didn't put in a password for root it set up sudo |
| 04:42 | <nevyn> | does it? ooh neat |
| 04:43 | <ompaul> | heikkila: 99% certain that you set one there are a few ways to recover it |
| 04:43 | <simonlnu> | !ifrp |
| 04:43 | <dpkg> | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 04:43 | <heikkila> | Yes, it says so when it prompts for root pw, so now I just want to check if I have a root account. I found lines with "root" in passwd and shadow, but not sure if it's a indicator? |
| 04:43 | <simonlnu> | if there's a hash in shadow, then there is |
| 04:44 | <heikkila> | ok |
| 04:44 | <simonlnu> | $1$ (who uses md5 any more?) or $6$ or such plus string |
| 04:45 | <ompaul> | simonlnu: what's your ls -al on /etc/shadown |
| 04:46 | <ompaul> | ^Hn |
| 04:46 | <simonlnu> | the default |
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| 04:58 | <peej> | I've got an old box running squeeze. It has a built-in agp card (radeon) and just added a voodoo3d pci card to it. I want to get both monitors (one connected to each card) displaying at the same time. Currentlly either one or other starts up, if I set order (agp or pci card) via bios option, so hardware works fine (both radeon and voodoo card xservers installed). I need some guidance on how to get both monitors displaying simultaneously - currently |
| 04:58 | <peej> | one stays blank (2nd one in bios order) |
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| 05:06 | <ompaul> | peej: aiui the way to do that kind of thing is to get a dual head pci or agp card |
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| 05:06 | <simonlnu> | load radeon drivers first then voodoo (or vice versa) to get one of them consistently be 0, then use xrandr to set up dual. or better, that ^^^ |
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| 05:11 | <peej> | simonlnu, "consistently be 0" ? |
| 05:12 | <simonlnu> | fb0 |
| 05:12 | <simonlnu> | first framebuffer |
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| 05:36 | <peej> | xinerama as per http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxAndDualMonitors.html seems to be simpler |
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| 05:54 | <rancyx> | hi |
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| 06:13 | <derick_> | will there be gnome 3 classic in the next stable debian release? |
| 06:14 | <heikkila> | derick_, what is gnome 3 classic? |
| 06:15 | <heikkila> | fallback mode? |
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| 06:15 | <derick_> | heikkila, gnome 3, but without gnome shell? |
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| 06:15 | <ompaul> | and how would that work? |
| 06:16 | <derick_> | e.g. it's an option here atm, debian testing |
| 06:16 | <derick_> | login session option |
| 06:16 | <derick_> | gnome |
| 06:16 | <derick_> | gnome classic |
| 06:16 | <derick_> | fluxbox |
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| 06:16 | <derick_> | gnome classic has a more traditional menu |
| 06:17 | <ompaul> | interesting times ahead |
| 06:17 | <derick_> | it was installed by default |
| 06:17 | <derick_> | e.g. got that option by default |
| 06:17 | <ompaul> | derick_: if testing has it in there when it freezes then yes |
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| 06:17 | <derick_> | ok |
| 06:17 | <derick_> | would be good |
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| 06:18 | <ompaul> | derick_: and that depends on a couple of things how far in the future debian freezes and how far in the future gnome is when debian freezes |
| 06:18 | <heikkila> | derick_, fluxbox is another window manager and is not Gnome |
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| 06:18 | <derick_> | heikkila, I know :) |
| 06:19 | <derick_> | just tried gnome 3 yesterday, hmm could be worse ... |
| 06:20 | <heikkila> | ah, you described your options at the login manager |
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| 06:22 | <derick_> | right |
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| 06:27 | * | derick_ back from ubuntu to debian |
| 06:27 | <heikkila> | wb |
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| 06:45 | <derick_> | hmm apps such as pidgin and evolution doesn't detect the wireless network in fluxbox, where iceweasel and icedove doesn' t have problesms :/ |
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| 06:46 | <derick_> | evolution --online |
| 06:46 | <derick_> | evolution-shell-Message: Network disconnected. Forced offline. |
| 06:47 | <derick_> | does it need a gnome network service or manger?? |
| 06:47 | <derick_> | e.g. I do have Internet connection :/ |
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| 06:48 | <derick_> | I have it via /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 06:48 | <derick_> | no networkmanager |
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| 06:53 | <kiso> | can someone help me with debian Installation from the hw raid? |
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| 06:59 | <heikkila> | kiso, tell about the problem directly |
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| 06:59 | <kiso> | heikkila, i have raid controler b110i in my dl160g6 |
| 07:00 | <kiso> | when i install squeeze i don't see this raid partition |
| 07:00 | <kiso> | i see each disk separately |
| 07:00 | <kiso> | i found http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid this |
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| 07:01 | <kiso> | but i have problem in step 5 and 6 |
| 07:02 | <kiso> | grub-install /dev/dm this command not working :( |
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| 07:18 | <laika> | anyone knows how to open a window with mplayer (nogui) when U R playing audio files? |
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| 07:24 | <ompaul> | txt speak fast result only pleads |
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| 07:58 | <nocturnal> | if I'm counting my way to see which process takes the most memory, can I completely ignore the VSZ seeing as this could be shared libraries that are loaded into memory once for multiple processes? and only focus on RSS? |
| 07:59 | <nocturnal> | of course I realize this depends on how accurate I want to be |
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| 07:59 | <kiso> | heikkila, any idea? |
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| 08:13 | <nocturnal> | I just went with RSS and noted that it's an understatement to measure RSS as they all have shared libraries they use and load into RAM too. |
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| 08:20 | <heikkila> | kiso, sorry, no |
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| 08:49 | <rleigh> | Does anyone have any experience with kvm networking? Using the stock kvm package, my VM gets the IP addresss 10.0.2.13/16, while the external network is 192.168.1.x/8. I'd like to be able to connect to the VM from the host, but currently does not appear possible by default. |
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| 08:49 | <rleigh> | I'd like to NFS mount a shared filesystem. |
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| 08:50 | <rleigh> | Ideally the VM should get a DHCP lease from the same DHCP server as the host and use the same subnet. |
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| 09:01 | <colton> | hi everyone |
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| 09:12 | <cwood> | Good morning. If you were buying 2+ usb gamepads to use with your Squeeze system, which would you use? |
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| 09:38 | <l0opback> | hi all. is it *bad* to cancel an fsck check during boot? and also how would you cancel one? lots of TB drives and it's taking long and need the server back :-S |
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| 09:41 | <zdingxiaomei> | i want speak to you ,how do? |
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| 09:42 | <FatCat> | l0opback, if it is already running -> fail... |
| 09:43 | <l0opback> | FatCat: already running |
| 09:43 | <FatCat> | l0opback, so better let it run |
| 09:43 | <FatCat> | l0opback, for the future, have a look @ tunefs |
| 09:43 | <l0opback> | FatCat: indeed. however it could be hours.. and need it back sooner if poss. but if it's dangerous/unwise (which I expect it is) then they'll just have to wait |
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| 09:44 | <FatCat> | l0opback, you can modify the circumstances in which a fsck is made (default is every X mounts, or every X days, depending what comes first) with mentioned "tunefs" you can modify these values |
| 09:45 | <l0opback> | FatCat: super. i know you can also change the last option in /etc/fstab. set it to zero i believe |
| 09:45 | <FatCat> | l0opback, not dangerous, more unwise, but in emergency case boot in single-user mode and change the values now |
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| 09:46 | <musca> | cn |
| 09:47 | <FatCat> | l0opback, imho the value in /etc/fstab tells fsck in which order the check happens at reboot |
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| 09:49 | <l0opback> | FatCat: it's been stuck on 66% now for about 20 minutes |
| 09:50 | <FatCat> | l0opback, what fs are u using? |
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| 09:50 | <l0opback> | FatCat: ext3 |
| 09:51 | <jhutchins_wk> | The values in fstab are documented in the manpage. |
| 09:51 | <FatCat> | l0opback, I wouldn't recommend it of course, but as it's already a journaling-fs, you could try canceling the fsck and booting in single-user, to modify the values to fit your needs |
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| 09:53 | <l0opback> | FatCat: i'll give it another 20 minutes then I'll have to resort to that |
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| 09:54 | <FatCat> | l0opback, kk let us know, if there are further problems ;) |
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| 09:55 | <l0opback> | FatCat: I may not have time to be on IRC if there are problems :)) eek! |
| 09:55 | <l0opback> | is it safe to CTL-C fsck even ?! |
| 09:55 | <l0opback> | looks like it's stuck but since it's not even booted up yet there's no way to tell?! |
| 09:56 | <gusra> | yayaya |
| 09:56 | <gusra> | ijin nyimak ya :) |
| 09:56 | <gusra> | from indonesia |
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| 10:02 | <jhutchins_wk> | l0opback: Is there disk activity? |
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| 10:02 | <jhutchins_wk> | l0opback: Do the disks sound normal? |
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| 10:07 | <l0opback> | jhutchins_wk: there is. it just jumped ten % in one go |
| 10:07 | <l0opback> | wish i knew how long it would take though :-S |
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| 10:11 | <raul> | hey |
| 10:11 | <raul> | hey fuckers |
| 10:13 | * | lord_rob is starting the countdown (but too late) |
| 10:14 | <raul> | can any one teach me how to hack wifi |
| 10:14 | <XayOn> | Any admin out there? ^ |
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| 10:15 | <lord_rob> | XayOn: nevermind ;-) |
| 10:16 | <XayOn> | =) Oh, I see, the countdown was due to him? |
| 10:16 | <lord_rob> | :) |
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| 10:16 | <priv1> | Is there a Debian channel for handehelds? |
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| 10:16 | <priv1> | *about debianOnHandhelds |
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| 10:17 | <lord_rob> | XayOn: and I'm not a chanop, I was just observating *when* the ban would occur |
| 10:18 | <XayOn> | lord_rob: That's what I tought ;) |
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| 10:18 | <cthuluh> | priv1: #debian-arm, perhaps? |
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| 10:19 | <priv1> | cthuluh: thanks |
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| 10:28 | <l0opback> | jhutchins_wk, FatCat patience is a virtue. it came back. |
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| 10:31 | <FatCat> | l0opback, nice to hear ;) |
| 10:31 | <l0opback> | FatCat: it did stick on 67.1% for about 30 minutes which worried the hell out of me. |
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| 10:32 | <l0opback> | FatCat: that tune2fs option will be quite a handy thing to use on my laptop, but I don't think I'll disable it on my servers. Otherwise I'd never end up checking the volumes. This machine had been up for a very long time and should've been done before now. |
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| 10:33 | <FatCat> | l0opback, wise decision ;) |
| 10:34 | <l0opback> | FatCat: How does one manage to run fsck regularly on a machine that's in constant use? bit of a conundrum |
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| 10:36 | <Losba> | For some reason alsamixer (and alsa itself) seems to be defaulting to my nVidia sound instead of my integrated sound, how would I change a default like that? |
| 10:36 | <kilelme1> | !awesome |
| 10:36 | <dpkg> | awesome is, like, a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:36 | <FatCat> | l0opback, to get around this problem every enterprise environment has scheduled maintenances ;) |
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| 10:37 | <FatCat> | l0opback, or redundancy :) |
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| 10:39 | <royh> | is there no chef-server in the debian repository or am i just blind? |
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| 10:39 | <jhutchins_wk> | l0opback: Schedule downtime. |
| 10:40 | <jhutchins_wk> | l0opback: You might want to look at the smartctl package. |
| 10:40 | <jhutchins_wk> | l0opback: smartmontools |
| 10:41 | <FatCat> | royh, what do you mean? |
| 10:41 | <royh> | FatCat: there is a client, but not a server |
| 10:41 | <royh> | you can get the server from the opscode repo, but i was hoping to find it in the debian repo... |
| 10:43 | <FatCat> | royh, unfortunately you have to get it from a 3rd party repo :\ |
| 10:43 | <royh> | why is that? |
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| 10:43 | <FatCat> | royh, perhaps the chef-server is not gpl conform? don't know exactly, sorry |
| 10:43 | <royh> | politics, licencing issues or just no maintainer i presume, but i don't know which one :P |
| 10:43 | <jhutchins_wk> | royh: The most obvious answer is that no-one has put in the effort to make it available in debian. There may also be license or patent issues. |
| 10:44 | <royh> | jhutchins_wk: yes, i was looking to find an exact answer. |
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| 10:46 | <royh> | licensed under apache-2 (it seems) |
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| 10:47 | <jhutchins_wk> | royh: Most likely answer is "not enough interest". |
| 10:47 | <royh> | it only takes one man (and a sponsor) ;P |
| 10:47 | <wrek-gar> | trying to unrar a file split into 86 parts from one drive to another with the command unrar x /media/drive1/filepath /media/drive2/filepath - the problem is that it |
| 10:48 | <wrek-gar> | it's taking forever, is there a better way to use unrar? |
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| 10:48 | <royh> | the chef package in sid is very old as well |
| 10:49 | <royh> | would be cool to package it. work with chef every day (although on centos), but do a lot of testing on debian/ubuntu. |
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| 10:55 | <peej> | I've got an old box running squeeze. It has a built-in agp card (radeon) and just added a voodoo3d pci card to it. I want to get both monitors (one connected to each card) displaying at the same time with xinerama. Currently my pointer goes over from one display0 to display1 but not even a root window is actually showing on display1 |
| 10:55 | * | peej decides to try juggling bios setting |
| 10:56 | <heikkila> | peej, built into what? Do you mean it's integrated on the mainboard? |
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| 10:56 | <peej> | yup |
| 10:56 | <heikkila> | peej, ok, just seemed odd that an agp-card was integrated to mainboard |
| 10:58 | <peej> | oh man, the machine makes horrible beeping noises on swapping card boot order when it is time to start x... |
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| 11:00 | <peej> | adding input device pc speaker? During xorg start up? wtf? |
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> | Hi, using a default installation of Wheezy/LXDE, I got "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in my /etc/network/interfaces.If I boot my computer with |
| 12:02 | <alkisg> | ...the network cable unplugged, I get an ip by avahi, 169.something |
| 12:02 | <alkisg> | Then if I plug the network cable, I don't get an IP, I have to manually run dhclient |
| 12:03 | <alkisg> | Is this normal? Users are expected to manually run dhclient to get an IP? |
| 12:03 | <alkisg> | If I boot my computer with the network cable plugged in, then of course I get an IP and everything is fine |
| 12:03 | <mou> | they dont care |
| 12:03 | <mou> | like me they didnt answer |
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| 12:03 | <mou> | only fags here |
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| 12:07 | <babilen> | alkisg: You might want to use something like network-manager or wicd -- Also look into ifplugd and related tools. |
| 12:07 | <alkisg> | babilen: so dhclient and /etc/network/interfaces really can't do that? |
| 12:07 | <babilen> | mou: Please keep it professional in here. If you can't answer a question just stay quiet -- I also doubt that we are all cigarettes in here. |
| 12:08 | <alkisg> | If I need to troubleshoot something, I'd prefer to use those, to use less memory |
| 12:08 | <alkisg> | Otherwise sure I can use network manager... |
| 12:08 | <babilen> | alkisg: You want something to happen whenever you plug in a cable you need something that monitors this. (like ifplugd) -- network-manager and wicd do this by default |
| 12:09 | <mou> | i m on debian 6 and my wifi card is not regonize , i m on a asus netbook |
| 12:09 | <mou> | i have downloaded all drivers |
| 12:09 | <mou> | but it still not working |
| 12:09 | <alkisg> | babilen: right, I thought that dhclient would monitor for if-up events... but appareantly it doesn't |
| 12:09 | <babilen> | indeed |
| 12:10 | <alkisg> | Thanks, I'll work around it |
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| 12:13 | <cthuluh> | mou: that's sad... you're insulting people, perhaps because you can't get help, but you can't even help people to help you, telling which wifi nic you're using ; I've already wasted too much bytes for your case |
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| 12:13 | <mou> | its a test (real but still a test) |
| 12:13 | <mou> | i understood you dont want to answer |
| 12:14 | <mou> | lol noobs |
| 12:14 | <mou> | http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110816122517AAwA6Fq |
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| 12:14 | <mou> | http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110816122517AAwA6Fq |
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| 12:15 | <ansgar> | !ops mou |
| 12:15 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: mou |
| 12:15 | <cthuluh> | he just left |
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| 12:16 | <SavageWolf> | Wait, what is dpkg doing? |
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| 12:18 | <PatrickBatman> | uninstalling a user :) |
| 12:18 | <cthuluh> | dpkg -P to the rescue |
| 12:18 | <dpkg> | cthuluh: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:18 | <cthuluh> | yes :) |
| 12:19 | <jhutchins_wk> | alkisg: Do you have "allow-hotplug eth0" ? |
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> | jhutchins_wk: The default installation got me this: |
| 12:19 | <alkisg> | # The primary network interface |
| 12:19 | <alkisg> | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 12:19 | <alkisg> | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> | Erm, pasting 3 lines is considered flooding? :( |
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> | Anyway, I also tried replacing "allow-hotplug eth0" with "auto eth0", no difference |
| 12:20 | <jhutchins_wk> | alkisg: Anything more than two. |
| 12:20 | <alkisg> | (07:19:46 ÎĽÎĽ) alkisg: jhutchins_wk: The default installation got me this: |
| 12:20 | <alkisg> | (07:19:46 ÎĽÎĽ) alkisg: # The primary network interface |
| 12:20 | <alkisg> | (07:19:46 ÎĽÎĽ) alkisg: allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 12:20 | <alkisg> | (07:19:46 ÎĽÎĽ) alkisg: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:21 | <jhutchins_wk> | alkisg: Sounds like you might have found a bug in udev. |
| 12:22 | <alkisg> | jhutchins_wk: so, to better understand this so that I can file bugs about it... dhclient daemonizes itself and waits for a "link connected" event, and udev should fire that, and it doesn't? |
| 12:22 | <alkisg> | If so, I can try `udevadm monitor` or stuff like that |
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| 12:25 | <jhutchins_wk> | alkisg: You might see if anyone in #debian-next has any suggestions. |
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> | Thanks, will do |
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| 12:44 | <SavageWolf> | XChat isn't very stable... |
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| 12:45 | <myk42> | |
| 12:46 | <SavageWolf> | Uh, I'm using Debian Testing and XChat crashes every time I try to edit preferences or anything... |
| 12:46 | <boba> | SavageWolf: #debian-next |
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| 12:49 | <str3l0k> | hi guys |
| 12:49 | <str3l0k> | hi debhelper |
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| 12:50 | <str3l0k> | i have a fullhd screen but i can't set the reolution, cuz all i have is 1024*768! how do i set that. |
| 12:50 | <str3l0k> | ? |
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| 12:55 | <devil> | str3l0k: as user: xrandr | grep -i max |
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| 12:58 | <str3l0k> | i had a long text but nothing happened, still the same resolution |
| 12:58 | <devil> | str3l0k: sure. i just try to find out what may be thr cause |
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| 12:59 | <devil> | and the text cant be that long |
| 12:59 | <str3l0k> | sorry i'm a beginner devil |
| 12:59 | <str3l0k> | what is the next step? |
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| 12:59 | <devil> | did you copy/paste my line? |
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| 13:00 | <myk42> | |
| 13:00 | <str3l0k> | xrandr | grep -i max this one? yes i already did |
| 13:00 | <devil> | that should return 1 line only |
| 13:00 | <str3l0k> | nope it returned a long text |
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| 13:00 | <devil> | then you missed the | |
| 13:00 | <devil> | its a pipe |
| 13:00 | <str3l0k> | oh oh ok |
| 13:01 | <devil> | you should get a line like: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 8192 x 8192 |
| 13:01 | <str3l0k> | but where is that on thekeyboard? |
| 13:01 | <devil> | i dont know where that is on a EN keboard |
| 13:01 | <str3l0k> | fr keyboard then :D |
| 13:01 | <devil> | no idea |
| 13:02 | <str3l0k> | look, i could copy it but how do i paste it in terminal? ctrl+v wouldn't work |
| 13:02 | <alkisg> | Middle mouse click |
| 13:02 | <devil> | your output sghould have a line similar to mine at the beginning |
| 13:02 | <alkisg> | select text, go to the target window, press middle mouse click. No "copy" step, only "paste" step. |
| 13:03 | <str3l0k> | got it!! |
| 13:03 | <str3l0k> | but how do i copy from terminal? |
| 13:03 | <alkisg> | Same |
| 13:03 | <alkisg> | select text, go to the target window, press middle mouse click. No "copy" step, only "paste" step. |
| 13:03 | <devil> | same way |
| 13:03 | <str3l0k> | ok |
| 13:03 | <SavageWolf> | If you want to use the "normal" copying and pasting for some reason, ctrl+shift+v and ctrl+shift+c works. |
| 13:04 | <str3l0k> | minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096 |
| 13:04 | <str3l0k> | there :D |
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| 13:04 | <str3l0k> | what's next? |
| 13:04 | <devil> | str3l0k: what graphics card and driver do you use? |
| 13:05 | <devil> | emh, sorry, gotta run |
| 13:05 | <alkisg> | To see the graphics card and driver: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA |
| 13:05 | <str3l0k> | i never've installed any driver on linux, and i neither have a graphic card, it's chipset i guess |
| 13:05 | <str3l0k> | hold on then |
| 13:06 | <str3l0k> | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2772] (rev 02) |
| 13:06 | <str3l0k> | Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:817a] |
| 13:06 | <str3l0k> | Kernel driver in use: i915 |
| 13:06 | <alkisg> | And if you just run "xrandr", what's the max resolution that you see? |
| 13:07 | <str3l0k> | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096 |
| 13:07 | <str3l0k> | VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm |
| 13:07 | <str3l0k> | 1024x768 60.0* |
| 13:07 | <str3l0k> | 800x600 60.3 56.2 |
| 13:07 | <str3l0k> | 848x480 60.0 |
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| 13:08 | <str3l0k> | hey you could warn me! so? what do i do now? |
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> | str3l0k: a bot kicked you, it's automatic |
| 13:09 | <str3l0k> | i noticed |
| 13:09 | <str3l0k> | devil, any issues? |
| 13:09 | <alkisg> | How do you connect your hd monitor? With some dvi adaptor? |
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| 13:10 | <str3l0k> | with vga, or dvi, no adaptor |
| 13:10 | <alkisg> | Now it's connected with vga? |
| 13:10 | <str3l0k> | yep |
| 13:10 | <alkisg> | Put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to paste.debian.net |
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| 13:11 | <str3l0k> | in terminal? |
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> | It's a file, you open it with some editor and you paste it to that paste.debian.net site |
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| 13:12 | <jhutchins_wk> | str3l0k: Did you figure out the pipe ( | ) character? |
| 13:13 | <jhutchins_wk> | \|/ |
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| 13:13 | <str3l0k> | not yet |
| 13:14 | <jhutchins_wk> | It's often on the same key as \, either a vertical line or a broken vertical line. |
| 13:14 | <str3l0k> | and about pasting in debian.net what do i write in CODE? do i just leave it blank? |
| 13:14 | <str3l0k> | nope |
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| 13:16 | <jhutchins_wk> | str3l0k: the CODE window is where you paste the text. |
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| 13:17 | <str3l0k> | ok i did that |
| 13:17 | <str3l0k> | and i had a very long text! so what? |
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| 13:18 | <str3l0k> | alkisg you there? |
| 13:18 | <myk42> | |
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> | str3l0k: after you put something to pastebin, you paste the URL here, so that we can see what you pasted |
| 13:20 | <str3l0k> | sure |
| 13:20 | <str3l0k> | http://paste.debian.net/150408/ |
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> | str3l0k: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in your system? |
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| 13:22 | <str3l0k> | let me check that* |
| 13:23 | <str3l0k> | nope i don't |
| 13:24 | <alkisg> | From what xorg.log says, your driver reads your monitor timings (EDID), and your monitor reports that it supports those resolutions only |
| 13:24 | <alkisg> | Are you absolutely sure that your monitor supports bigger resolutions? |
| 13:24 | <str3l0k> | absolutely |
| 13:25 | <alkisg> | Then you'll need a customized xorg.conf to specify your monitor timings |
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| 13:25 | <str3l0k> | ok |
| 13:25 | <str3l0k> | how do i do that? |
| 13:25 | <alkisg> | I.e. something like that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/786001/ |
| 13:25 | * | alkisg needs to do something now, can't help more, bbl |
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| 13:27 | <str3l0k> | wait do i creat a file myself and put paste that in? |
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> | Yes, you create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you paste that in, BUT you need bigger timings |
| 13:28 | <alkisg> | Those timings are for 1024x768 |
| 13:28 | <jhutchins_wk> | Is thre a way to generate a date with an offset? |
| 13:28 | <str3l0k> | so what timing do i use for 1980*1080 |
| 13:28 | <str3l0k> | or even 1280*720 |
| 13:29 | <str3l0k> | or 1366*768? |
| 13:29 | <alkisg> | No time to help more, bbl |
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| 13:30 | <str3l0k> | does anybody run his linux under 1980*1080? |
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| 13:35 | <jhutchins_wk> | straszheim: I think alkisg was wrong, those timings are for what the monitor supports, not for a specific resolution. |
| 13:35 | <alkisg> | jhutchins_wk: no I wasn't wrong, please don't mix him up |
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> | The max timings allow xorg to select ANY resolution up to a certain one |
| 13:36 | <alkisg> | So with e.g. 88 horz resolution, you get 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 etc |
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> | And with e.g. 110 horz resolution, one can get 1366 or higher |
| 13:36 | <jhutchins_wk> | alkisg: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl |
| 13:37 | <alkisg> | No time to check for the exact numbers there, but it's a technique that I had to use dozens of times |
| 13:37 | <alkisg> | You can also use "cvt" to see the timings, but that's not the ones you put in xorg.conf |
| 13:37 | <jhutchins_wk> | alkisg: Srry, that was for stderr |
| 13:37 | <alkisg> | Anyway as I said I need to do something, bbl |
| 13:37 | <jhutchins_wk> | ah, he left anyway. |
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| 13:56 | <Gnusense> | Which Broadcom driver is likely to work better, wl/broadcom-sta or B43? |
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| 14:25 | <str3l0k> | hi what's the best DOWNLOAD MANAGER for linux? |
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| 14:26 | <str3l0k> | devil? |
| 14:26 | <str3l0k> | hi what's the best DOWNLOAD MANAGER for linux please? |
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| 14:27 | <str3l0k> | hi edog |
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| 14:29 | <cahoot> | I'd say aptitude |
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| 14:30 | <str3l0k> | what about torrent? |
| 14:30 | <ansgar> | str3l0k: apt-transport-debtorrent? |
| 14:30 | <cthuluh> | see rtorrent, transmission, etc |
| 14:31 | <str3l0k> | allright |
| 14:31 | <str3l0k> | are they free. |
| 14:31 | <str3l0k> | ? |
| 14:31 | <cthuluh> | as all software packages in debian main |
| 14:32 | <str3l0k> | ok |
| 14:34 | <str3l0k> | is vlc the best video player on debian? |
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| 14:36 | <rudi_s> | str3l0k: I don't think there is a "best" video player, both vlc and mplayer are very good. |
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| 14:36 | <cthuluh> | and some people are pretty happy with totem and whatever kde ships with |
| 14:37 | <str3l0k> | is anybody set to 1920*1080? then i need his xorg.conf to set up manually mine |
| 14:40 | <rleigh> | xrandr should set up the optimal resolution automatically; editing xorg.conf shouldn't be necessary. |
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| 14:41 | <str3l0k> | and my optimal one is 1024*768 while i'm on a fullhd screen |
| 14:41 | <str3l0k> | there must must be a mistake |
| 14:42 | <gnugr> | str3l0k: try this it might help you out " xrandr -q | grep -w Screen " |
| 14:42 | <dinus> | str3l0k: make your mode-lines with gtf |
| 14:43 | <str3l0k> | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096 gnugr |
| 14:43 | <str3l0k> | dinus what? |
| 14:44 | <gnugr> | str3l0k: it shows possibles resolutions |
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| 14:44 | <str3l0k> | and i have none |
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| 14:44 | <gnugr> | min/current/max |
| 14:45 | <gnugr> | choose the best |
| 14:45 | <rleigh> | str3l0k: Example: http://paste.debian.net/150414/ It's already picked the optimal resolution here. |
| 14:45 | <str3l0k> | what is the command to change resolution from terminal? |
| 14:46 | <gnugr> | str3l0k:try autoconf " xrandr --auto " |
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| 14:47 | <str3l0k> | i want to set it manually please |
| 14:47 | <str3l0k> | D: |
| 14:48 | <rleigh> | Same command. Use --fb widthxheight (see the xrandr manual page for examples) |
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| 14:49 | <rleigh> | Most of the desktop GUI screen configuration dialogues do this for you behind the scenes. |
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| 14:56 | <dinus> | str3l0k: with: gtf 1920 1080 88 you get a modeline to be dropped in the monitor section |
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| 14:57 | <dinus> | read the manual of gtf |
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| 14:59 | <dinus> | all modelines (- resolutions) will be listed with xrandr after restart of X |
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| 15:00 | <dinus> | your xorg.conf is build on default value's |
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| 15:16 | <dinus> | str3l0k: gtf 1920 1080 60 is your line |
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| 15:24 | <melonade> | Hello I have a problem I have no idea how to fix http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/7880 |
| 15:25 | <jordanm> | !tell melonade about wl |
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| 15:27 | <petemc> | !info wl |
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| 15:28 | <dpkg> | wl: (mail/news reader supporting IMAP for emacsen), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.14.0-12 (sid), Packaged size: 897 kB, Installed size: 3916 kB |
| 15:28 | <houms> | jordanm what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:29 | <melonade> | /etc/apt/sources.list no such file or directory. How is that possible? |
| 15:29 | <houms> | melonade what are you trying to do? |
| 15:30 | <melonade> | Follow this http://wiki.debian.org/wl#supported |
| 15:30 | <melonade> | "Add a "non-free" component to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example:" |
| 15:30 | <jordanm> | melonade: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:30 | <melonade> | And I got "/etc/apt/sources.list no such file or directory" back somehow |
| 15:30 | <melonade> | The latest. Whichever that is |
| 15:31 | <jhutchins_wk> | !sources.list |
| 15:31 | <dpkg> | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:31 | <jordanm> | melonade: pastebin "cat /etc/debian_version; apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6" as root |
| 15:31 | <jordanm> | actually, you don't need to be root |
| 15:31 | <houms> | so what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:32 | <hook> | If anyone here's using Desura — is there any valid reason I should install the same game using Desura instead of 'dpkg'-ing its .deb from Humble Indie Bundle? |
| 15:32 | <melonade> | Squeeze |
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| 15:32 | <jordanm> | melonade: please provide the pastebin |
| 15:33 | <Nemoder> | hook: yes, the game wont ever be updated if you install it from the .deb |
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| 15:33 | <melonade> | http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/7882 |
| 15:33 | <hook> | Nemoder: unless I uninstall and reinstall the updated .deb by hand? |
| 15:33 | <Nemoder> | hook: yes |
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| 15:34 | <houms> | melonade does sources.list show in /etc/apt? |
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| 15:35 | <houms> | i mean if you ls -l /etc/apt |
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| 15:37 | <melonade> | yes it does i must have made a typo |
| 15:38 | <houms> | melonade i think part of your problem maybe wl is throwing you off. as if i am not mistaken wl is also a mail/news reader |
| 15:38 | <Nemoder> | melonade: what editor did you try to open it with? |
| 15:38 | <melonade> | Facepalm I wasn't trying to open it as a text file |
| 15:39 | <houms> | so if you did not build the wl kernel module , when you modprobe' it it said fatal cause there is no module wl and when you apt-get install it , it is saying wl the news reader is installed |
| 15:39 | <houms> | I am running wheezy on a work laptop and am using the wl module |
| 15:39 | <melonade> | I was trying to open as an executable |
| 15:39 | <Nemoder> | oops |
| 15:39 | <houms> | the wiki does work |
| 15:39 | <Nemoder> | try nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:39 | <melonade> | Yes I understand that houms but now I'm following this http://wiki.debian.org/wl#supported |
| 15:40 | <houms> | understood, are you good to go now or are you still having issues? |
| 15:40 | <houms> | if so on what? |
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| 15:41 | <melonade> | I believe I'm all sorted out now, thanks |
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| 15:42 | <houms> | sounds good. |
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| 15:44 | <hook> | Nemoder: So if it's not in APT tree (is that a correc term even?), Desura is a better option then pure 'dpkg'? |
| 15:44 | <Nemoder> | hook: I tend to think so, at least for proprietary games |
| 15:45 | <hook> | Nemoder: Is the Desura client in any of the repos then? |
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| 15:45 | <Nemoder> | hook: no, they haven't released source for it yet although they plan to |
| 15:45 | <hook> | Oh, well, I'll wait until then than :) |
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| 15:46 | <hook> | s/than/rather |
| 15:46 | <Nemoder> | desura self updates, but it's currently designed to be run as a single user |
| 15:47 | <hook> | Nemoder: How resource hungry is Desura as a wrapper for the games? Does it need to run in order to launch games? Does it install them in a standard way (e.g. in /opt/) or inside the home dir? |
| 15:48 | <Nemoder> | hook: it's not too resource heavy, games dont need it to run, and they are installed in your home folder under desura's folder |
| 15:48 | <Nemoder> | I think it's a neat idea because they do test the games and package them a bit better than some game developers do |
| 15:48 | <hook> | Hm, I guess I'll have to rethink my file structure anyway. |
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| 15:48 | <hook> | For GNU/Linux? Really? |
| 15:49 | <Nemoder> | yes, a lot of devs will include broken libs or just not test their games on more than one system |
| 15:49 | <hook> | I mean, better then many of the commercial devs, sure. But better also then Icculus? |
| 15:49 | <Nemoder> | ryan does a good job |
| 15:49 | <Nemoder> | but some of the other devs just dont put much testing into it |
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| 15:50 | * | hook barfs a bit in his mouth thinking of bundling libs that could be shared. |
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| 15:50 | <hook> | OK, makes sense then. Thanks for explaining :) |
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| 15:51 | <hook> | Is there any news on which license the client will be under? |
| 15:51 | <Nemoder> | hook: it actually makes sense to bundle libs if you dont plan on updating your game for each linux distro version |
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| 15:52 | <Nemoder> | http://www.desura.com/groups/desura/forum/thread/open-sourcing-desura |
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| 15:52 | * | jhutchins_wk observes that the topic here is supposed to be Debian Support |
| 15:53 | <Nemoder> | I think getting games running in debian is a support issue :P |
| 15:53 | <hook> | Nemoder: I completely understand the reasoning. In an ideal world it'd just be a lot neater if they let this be handled by distros in the first place. |
| 15:53 | <Nemoder> | yeah but not many commercial game devs are willing to open source their games |
| 15:53 | <hook> | Nemoder: Sure. Doesn't mean I have to like it though ;) |
| 15:54 | <hook> | Anyway, *now* we're actually getting off-topic. Sorry, jhutchins_wk. |
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| 15:54 | <hook> | So, what's the convention of storing shared manually installed programs or scripts on Debian? |
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| 15:55 | <hook> | And is there a convention also for storing the same for (non-shared) user programs and scripts? |
| 15:55 | <Nemoder> | most programs default to /opt or /usr/local |
| 15:56 | <Nemoder> | programs that self-update don't work too well shared though, those I only install to my home folder |
| 15:57 | <hook> | Nemoder: So far I was using /opt/Games and had it chgrp'd to 'games' (on Gentoo that is) |
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| 15:58 | <Nemoder> | hook: that usually works, but if the game creates new files in it's folder they often get ownership set to the user instead of the group |
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| 15:58 | <s_i_m> | for example, mana (former tmw) is in official distro, but also self-updating, which means it can be done well |
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| 16:05 | <jhutchins_wk> | !fhs |
| 16:05 | <dpkg> | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
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| 16:07 | <jhutchins_wk> | There's more than one place they can be legitimately installed (especially bash scripts), so you can pick which standard to follow. |
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| 16:07 | <jhutchins_wk> | Most people put 'em in /usr/local or /usr/local/bin |
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| 16:09 | <hook> | I'm reading through Debian docs and know about FHS, but wanted to know what the de facto convention is. |
| 16:09 | <hook> | So, it's actually being used in practice? |
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| 16:11 | <f0rk> | I think the standard reflects practice more than anything :P |
| 16:12 | <s_i_m> | its use is mandated by poliicy for the packaged software. but users are of course free to choose their own ways |
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| 16:12 | <s_i_m> | i keep my own scripts in $HOME/bin |
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| 16:13 | <hook> | I still don't get the difference between /opt and /usr/local |
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| 16:13 | <s_i_m> | /usr/local is mostly for locally built and installed software |
| 16:14 | <hook> | s_i_m: I know, that's why during the years my own way is quite different from the norm, since back then we didn't have one yet ...I'm trying to fit in again :P |
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| 16:16 | <hook> | So, /usr/local for locally installed packages and /opt for software that contains everything in one single directory? |
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| 16:16 | <valdyn> | hook: theres no debian convention except not to put anything where debian packages might put something |
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| 16:17 | <hook> | valdyn: I understand that. That being said, should I be asking such questions on a different channel, since it's not 100% distro-specific? |
| 16:17 | <valdyn> | hook: /usr/local/bin is in $PATH, /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf etc, so /usr/local/ is obviously conventient for things that might benefit from the reduced configuration burden |
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| 16:18 | <valdyn> | hook: the fhs should be conclusive, is it not? |
| 16:19 | <valdyn> | hook: on the other hand people fuck up their systems regularily since /usr/local/lib takes precedence over /usr/lib |
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| 16:19 | <hook> | I come from the land of source-based distros, so I'm still a bit lost on the terms like "installing software locally" vs. "installation of add-on application software packages". |
| 16:19 | <s_i_m> | hook, /opt is typically used by proprietary software from vendors not tied to a specific distro |
| 16:20 | <valdyn> | hook: this distinction is not usually needed in debian either |
| 16:20 | <hook> | And before anyone asks, yes, I also know that one can modify $PATH to point out to any directory. |
| 16:20 | <valdyn> | hook: in other words, almost anything can and should be packed into a deb file |
| 16:20 | <valdyn> | hook: but ignorant people wont know how to do that |
| 16:21 | <hook> | valdyn: 'key. So, even if you're locally installing (I assume that means installing software that's not in the repos), it's a smarter thing to create a .deb package from it first and then 'dpkg' it. |
| 16:21 | <valdyn> | hook: yes |
| 16:21 | <hook> | Makes sense. |
| 16:22 | <hook> | So, I assume that APT (or aptitude) also tracks .deb packages installed directly with 'dpkg'? |
| 16:22 | <valdyn> | hook: yes |
| 16:22 | <EmleyMoor> | The disk for one of my nfs filesystems has been changed - what should I do, at either the server or the client end, to make the server realise it exists? |
| 16:23 | <valdyn> | EmleyMoor: what are you saying? that you hotplugged a disk thats not hotpluggable? |
| 16:23 | <hook> | valdyn: Thanks, things are a lot clearer now and a lot neater then I feared :) |
| 16:23 | <EmleyMoor> | No, nothing like that |
| 16:24 | <EmleyMoor> | It's fine locally but trying to cd into it remotely fails - No such file or directory |
| 16:24 | <valdyn> | EmleyMoor: remount |
| 16:25 | <EmleyMoor> | valdyn: How exactly? |
| 16:25 | <valdyn> | EmleyMoor: umount server:/path; mount server:/path /path/to/mountpoint |
| 16:25 | <EmleyMoor> | (autofs usually looks after it at the remote side) |
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| 16:25 | <CookAnEgg> | Hi ! |
| 16:26 | <valdyn> | EmleyMoor: ok, to bad, i dont know anything about autofs |
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| 16:26 | <s_i_m> | EmleyMoor, try restarting automounter then |
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| 16:27 | <s_i_m> | CookAnEgg, hi |
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| 16:29 | <EmleyMoor> | s_i_m: No effect |
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| 16:30 | <technologov> | hi ! I have Q: in Debian if the "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made." - means it can't be reopened ? |
| 16:31 | <s_i_m> | EmleyMoor, can you unmount the share with umount? This should work with autofs too. |
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| 16:34 | <ansgar> | technologov: It can after it is unarchived. |
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| 16:34 | <technologov> | aha, ok |
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| 16:37 | <EmleyMoor> | s_i_m: No error but no effect either |
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| 16:39 | <mausi> | hi |
| 16:39 | <s_i_m> | EmleyMoor, interesting. On the server side you obviously mounted the new drive to the same mount point? |
| 16:39 | <mausi> | anyone firm with xubuntu and willing to help a newbie? |
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| 16:39 | <ansgar> | !ubuntu |
| 16:39 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:39 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... has come good "on its own" |
| 16:40 | <mausi> | k |
| 16:41 | <EmleyMoor> | I get this problem every week at present and it always eventually comes good on its own - but I could do with a way to bring it good on demand |
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| 16:43 | <s_i_m> | EmleyMoor, probably, there is a long timeout somewhere in the nfs code in the kernel... |
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| 16:45 | <s_i_m> | but an explicit remounting should in any way clear any pending timeouts... i dunno |
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| 17:05 | <discord> | having trouble with my gnome-terminal, described here:http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74211 |
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| 17:05 | <ompaul> | ahh testing, the place where things break |
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| 17:08 | <str3l0k> | how do i save file with nano? |
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| 17:10 | <rudi_s> | str3l0k: "WriteOut" |
| 17:10 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: look at the bottom of the terminal ... CTRL O or CTRL X and then follow the other requests for information |
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| 17:11 | <str3l0k> | thx |
| 17:11 | <str3l0k> | i finally reach to set new resolutions manually so if you guys wanna know how i did that i can tell |
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| 17:13 | <arminh> | hello |
| 17:14 | <discord> | ompaul: testing didn't break my terminal |
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| 17:14 | <ompaul> | discord: you're running testing |
| 17:14 | <ompaul> | or SID |
| 17:14 | <ompaul> | but not stable |
| 17:15 | <discord> | ompaul: I was messing around with dircolors to get another shell working and it broke |
| 17:15 | <discord> | ompaul: are you using gnome 3.x? |
| 17:15 | <discord> | ompaul: can i get a copy of your ~/.dircolors file? |
| 17:15 | <ompaul> | no, kde |
| 17:15 | <ompaul> | on SID |
| 17:16 | <str3l0k> | i want to make it executable, dos format or mac format? |
| 17:16 | <discord> | either way I think I can still use a copy of your dircolors file |
| 17:16 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: eh that is not |
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| 17:16 | <ompaul> | discord: I don't use dircolors for gnome - I'm in the land of kde |
| 17:17 | <str3l0k> | the file is .xprofil so dos or mac? |
| 17:17 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: eh that is not the way you make things executable in linux land |
| 17:17 | <discord> | ompaul: dircolors is part of coreutils i believe |
| 17:17 | <ompaul> | discord: ah I'll poke for it |
| 17:17 | <str3l0k> | ompaul, xD |
| 17:18 | <discord> | ompaul: should be a hidden file in your home directory |
| 17:18 | <discord> | ompaul: thanks! |
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| 17:19 | <ompaul> | ls: cannot access .dirc*: No such file or directory |
| 17:19 | <str3l0k> | discord i just finished editing a new file i've created (.xprofile)and i want to make it executable (with nano) so what's the move? |
| 17:20 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: then you do chown 700 .xprofile |
| 17:20 | <discord> | you dont make it executable with nano. do it with chmod u+x |
| 17:20 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: why would you want that? |
| 17:20 | <ompaul> | doh I'm wrong |
| 17:20 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: don't do what I said |
| 17:21 | <str3l0k> | because i don't have xorg.conf |
| 17:21 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: you don't need one |
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| 17:21 | <str3l0k> | i do, for make new resolutions permanent |
| 17:21 | <str3l0k> | dude just tell me how to make it executable |
| 17:22 | <discord> | str3l0k: chmod u+x |
| 17:22 | <discord> | ompaul: did you have a .dircolors file in your home directory? can you pastebin it for me ? |
| 17:23 | <str3l0k> | gimme the full line!! chmodu+x .xprofile? |
| 17:23 | <ompaul> | discord: I don't |
| 17:23 | <discord> | ompaul: thanks |
| 17:23 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: dont be so demanding chmod u+x .xprofile |
| 17:23 | <ompaul> | discord: please see above I did an ls in ~ |
| 17:23 | <str3l0k> | lol ok |
| 17:24 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: we don't get paid to do this :P |
| 17:24 | * | ompaul runs around clucking like a chicken for a minute |
| 17:24 | <discord> | str3l0k: looks like you need to read a little more |
| 17:24 | <discord> | str3l0k: check out running linux |
| 17:25 | <CookAnEgg> | Goodbye ! |
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| 17:31 | <str3l0k> | guys how do you navigate in terminal |
| 17:31 | <str3l0k> | i know in dos it's like cd....... but what's the command in linux? |
| 17:32 | <jhutchins_wk> | str3l0k: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html |
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| 17:32 | <jhutchins_wk> | str3l0k: Would you be amazed and amused to learn that cd works in linux too? |
| 17:32 | <jhutchins_wk> | str3l0k: Did you consider just trying it? |
| 17:32 | <MrFrood> | str3l0k: also cd in*nix |
| 17:33 | <str3l0k> | i did |
| 17:33 | <jhutchins_wk> | str3l0k: You can also do dir |
| 17:33 | <str3l0k> | bash: cd: /ect/gdm/init: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type |
| 17:33 | <str3l0k> | do i translate it? |
| 17:33 | <jhutchins_wk> | !localised errors |
| 17:33 | <dpkg> | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
| 17:33 | <MrFrood> | str3l0k: e.g. cd /usr/bin |
| 17:34 | <jhutchins_wk> | str3l0k: cd - for previous directory. |
| 17:34 | <jhutchins_wk> | str3l0k: cd or cd ~ for home. |
| 17:34 | <discord> | str3l0k: rtfm |
| 17:34 | <str3l0k> | oh! |
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| 17:35 | <jhutchins_wk> | str3l0k: The above guides are excellent info on how to get around the console. |
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| 17:36 | <str3l0k> | ahhhh i don't have to read all of that when i want only one command |
| 17:37 | <str3l0k> | dos ( cd..) = linux (cd) |
| 17:37 | <str3l0k> | dos (cd) = linux (?) |
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| 17:37 | <str3l0k> | xD |
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| 17:37 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: no it's not cd .. and cd . and cd /usr/bin so no |
| 17:38 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: sorry left out a comma, no it's not, cd .. and cd . and cd /usr/bin so no |
| 17:38 | <ompaul> | !volunteers |
| 17:38 | <dpkg> | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 17:39 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: you have to read a little bit or what you do will be fragile and break |
| 17:39 | <str3l0k> | still, it doesn't work, it keeps saying, impossible to access etc/gdm/init : invalid file or folder |
| 17:39 | <ompaul> | you want what you want to be robust to do a job |
| 17:39 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: ever hear of root |
| 17:40 | <str3l0k> | heard, i've heard yeah but i don't know how to |
| 17:40 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: however you really don't have the skills to be root you will break the box and then expect us to fix something you did that was random |
| 17:40 | <ompaul> | please read some online basic linux CLI guide for your sake as much as for ours |
| 17:40 | <str3l0k> | well i'm here to learn |
| 17:40 | <str3l0k> | xD |
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| 17:41 | <MrFrood> | str3l0k: you mean /etc/gdm/init |
| 17:41 | -!- | ubuntu is now known as Guest22015 |
| 17:42 | <discord> | anybody running gnome 3.X ? Can you check if you have a .dircolors file in your home directory? |
| 17:42 | <str3l0k> | yes MrFrood |
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| 17:42 | <pbn> | Hi I've put the latest Adobe Flash plugin in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so For most users about:plugins in iceweasel says it's 11.1 r102 but for my user about:plugins in iceweasel says Shockwave Flash 10.3 d162 ... any idea ? |
| 17:43 | <str3l0k> | how do i change from user to root? |
| 17:43 | <str3l0k> | ompaul! |
| 17:43 | <melmothX> | pbn: maybe your user has it in ~/.mozilla/plugins ? |
| 17:43 | <pbn> | melmothX: gonna check that, thank you |
| 17:43 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: go read a guide you need some knowledge |
| 17:43 | <MrFrood> | str3l0k: read man su |
| 17:43 | <str3l0k> | i won't |
| 17:43 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: then don't expect me to do anything for you |
| 17:44 | <str3l0k> | why don't u just fucking tell me, it's way faster isn't it? |
| 17:44 | <ompaul> | no in the long run it's slower |
| 17:44 | <discord> | cmon somebody must be running gnome 3.x in here, help a brother out |
| 17:44 | <ompaul> | discord: #debian-next is where testing people hang out |
| 17:44 | <MrFrood> | str3l0k: su -c 'command -flags' |
| 17:45 | <pbn> | melmothX: no, no plugins in .mozilla |
| 17:45 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: see he's totally right but you don't know what your at |
| 17:45 | <pbn> | ah wait |
| 17:45 | <ompaul> | at is another command but that's a whole other story |
| 17:46 | <str3l0k> | all i know is authentification failed |
| 17:46 | <discord> | ompaul: thanks |
| 17:46 | <ompaul> | discord: np |
| 17:46 | <melmothX> | pbn: then restart the browser. if that doesn't help, i've run out of answers |
| 17:46 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: stick that in a browser and see what it says |
| 17:46 | <MrFrood> | str3l0k: learning to use man pages is the fatest way in the long term |
| 17:47 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: we are not here for your personal education, if you turned up and said I was doing foo with bar and I can't seem to find grokable then maybe we'd have more interest |
| 17:47 | <str3l0k> | in a browser? really? |
| 17:47 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: if only there was a way to search the internet |
| 17:47 | <pbn> | melmothX: hmmm maybe I've found somtething |
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| 17:48 | <MrFrood> | str3l0k: with su tou need to enter the root password not the user password |
| 17:49 | <str3l0k> | omg i don't even remember what that was |
| 17:49 | <str3l0k> | the root password i mean |
| 17:49 | <str3l0k> | fuck me!! |
| 17:50 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: you set it - not good if you can't remember it |
| 17:50 | <theocrite> | 1 |
| 17:50 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: given your skill level you should get a live cd to work wit hit |
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| 17:51 | <MrFrood> | str3l0k: keep the language mildly family freindlt please |
| 17:51 | <str3l0k> | yep guess i'm reinstalling the whole system now |
| 17:51 | <mc68040> | str3l0k: boot grml and set it to a known one and then setup ssh pub key auth |
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| 17:51 | <ompaul> | mc68040: he doesn't know ssh from ps auwx |
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| 17:53 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: you're ever so slightly stuck. If you don't have a live cd, given your skill set I'd say reinstall, come back and tell us what you are trying to do from the off, btw you should have a consistent resolution size once you have X running it's kind of clever these days |
| 17:54 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: however be prepared to read stuff. |
| 17:54 | <str3l0k> | ompaul! read this |
| 17:54 | <str3l0k> | http://www.myokyawhtun.com/ubuntu-linux/how-to-change-custom-resolution-in-ubuntu-10.html |
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| 17:55 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: no, that is for ubuntu |
| 17:55 | <str3l0k> | and that's what i'am using |
| 17:55 | <str3l0k> | i don't use debian |
| 17:55 | <ompaul> | !ubuntuirc |
| 17:55 | <dpkg> | This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 17:55 | <ompaul> | str3l0k: you are in the wrong place |
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| 17:56 | <str3l0k> | ok then bye bye |
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| 17:59 | <pbn> | problem solved, but it was tricky. In the user's profile there was a pluginreg.dat file that still contained information about Adobe Flash 10.3 |
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| 17:59 | <pbn> | there a "weird" things in Iceweasel/Firefox ;) |
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| 19:07 | <jeff1947> | SNEY, as always, thanks for your suggestions. This time, instead of using the Rescatux that I?d gotten from the SuperGrubDisk.org the first time, I made a CD of super_grub2_disk_hybrid_1.99b1.iso. I tried a bunch of the items offered in the boot such as ?Detect any Operating System?, ?Any GRUB2 Configuration File (grub.cfg)?, ?Any GRUB2 Installation (even if mbr is overwritten)?. On several of them, a screen appeared that |
| 19:07 | <jeff1947> | was labeled at the top ?GNU GRUB version 1.99-12? and it gives just one choice of ?(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub/core.img?. After hitting enter, the next screen is labeled at the top: ?GNU GRUB version 1.98+20100804-14+Squeeze1?. There are two choices: ?Debian GNU/LINUX, with LINUX 2.6.32-5-686? and ?Debian GNU/LINUX, with LINUX 2.6.32-5-686 (recovery mode)?. Both ways, some things scrolled (as they would in a normal boot- |
| 19:07 | <jeff1947> | up) and then the screen shows the blue/green band at the top with five ?Debian?s printed within it. So, I?m no further along than without the super_grub2_disk_hybrid_1.99b1.iso. Any further suggestions? Hope you?re enjoying the holidays. Jeff |
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| 19:47 | <nuba> | hi there! is there any way to make sure nothing binds by default to 0.0.0.0 ? i'm using linux-vserver and dummy0 to have a private network between the host and the guests (contexts, in vserver parlance). running into problems with nginx trying to bind to 0.0.0.0:80 in the post-install script, when the host is already listening there. |
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| 19:48 | <nuba> | they're all debian squeeze, hosts and guests |
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| 19:50 | <supaplex> | I'm using jigdo-lite, and I still have 290 files missing. Should I be using the update iso instead? |
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| 19:51 | <supaplex> | my last mirror was http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian and it's for kfreebsd-amd64 - I'm still downloading amd64 in another terminal with 850 files to go. |
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| 20:23 | <azmodeus> | hey |
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| 20:24 | <supaplex> | moo |
| 20:24 | <azmodeus> | heee |
| 20:25 | <supaplex> | moo dangit! ;) |
| 20:25 | <azmodeus> | doh... i'm lostr |
| 20:25 | <azmodeus> | lost* |
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| 20:26 | <supaplex> | just messing around |
| 20:27 | * | supaplex 's watching http://cheezburger.com/View/30130945 |
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| 20:39 | <najwa> | hello |
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| 20:46 | <najwa> | :-D |
| 20:46 | <azmodeus> | hello! |
| 20:47 | <najwa> | azmodeus: hello, can we ask something related python-apt here ? |
| 20:47 | <cquinn> | Is there anything approaching an official "EOL date" for Lenny yet? |
| 20:48 | <azmodeus> | najwa, I don't know... =) i'm a newcomer... (more or less...) |
| 20:49 | <najwa> | azmodeus: okey, good works :D |
| 20:50 | <azmodeus> | najwa, hope so! XD see ya! |
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| 20:54 | <babilen> | cquinn: February 2012 |
| 20:54 | <cquinn> | babilen: Thanks. |
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| 22:02 | <iiu7> | A good binary poster for usenet, console based? |
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| 22:22 | <najwa> | hello |
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| 22:34 | <najwa> | hello |
| 22:34 | <najwa> | :D |
| 22:35 | <Mad_> | hi |
| 22:38 | <najwa> | Mad_: can we redirect console output from python output to the web browser output ? |
| 22:39 | <Mad_> | sure |
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| 22:40 | <najwa> | Mad_: how to do this ?? any clue ? |
| 22:40 | <Mad_> | ye |
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| 22:42 | <najwa> | Mad_: i just want to know |
| 22:42 | <Mad_> | lol |
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| 22:43 | <Mad_> | so you want console output from python directed to a web browser |
| 22:43 | <Mad_> | easy |
| 22:43 | <Mad_> | simple |
| 22:43 | <najwa> | yeah, |
| 22:44 | <Mad_> | have u googled? |
| 22:44 | <Mad_> | no? |
| 22:45 | <najwa> | Mad_: i have doing some simple web programming with python, but output show on console, not on browser |
| 22:46 | <Mad_> | simple web programming like what? |
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| 22:53 | <jeff1947> | SNEY, are you up and about? |
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| 23:03 | <iiu7> | #debian |
| 23:04 | <iiu7> | What can I use to create RAR archives without going into non-free? |
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| 23:47 | <sney> | jeff1947: not really but I'm not the only person who can help you. You are trying to install debian on a pentium 2 system and you have a bootloader problem. this is pretty common and any of the volunteers here can help you sort it out |
| 23:47 | <joeoshawa> | i am using xfce and i just lost my background on screen 1 i still have it on screen two but not screen one |
| 23:48 | <joeoshawa> | no icons either |
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| 23:56 | <zach> | hello, does anyone know how to get flash the synaptics package manager? |
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