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| 00:11 | <ivo_> | ciao |
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| 01:31 | <aBound> | Question: Has anybody owned a System76 laptop and successfully removed Ubuntu and installed Debian with no issues or minor problems? |
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| 01:34 | <Jeff91> | aBound you should be able to |
| 01:34 | <Jeff91> | last I checked they used all fairly FOSS friendly hardware |
| 01:35 | <Jeff91> | at worst you should just have to add some wifi firmware would be my guess |
| 01:35 | <aBound> | Ahh, seeing as Ubuntu 11.10 is somewhat unstable at the moment. |
| 01:35 | <aBound> | Jeff91, Figures it'd be best to run a test through virtualbox first? |
| 01:36 | <Jeff91> | VirtualBox doesn't show hardware... |
| 01:38 | <aBound> | Jeff91, What you mean by that? |
| 01:38 | <Jeff91> | Running an OS in a VM |
| 01:38 | <Jeff91> | doesn't show the OS running on the machine hardware |
| 01:41 | <aBound> | Jeff91, I assume it doesn't show the necessary hardware. Given you know the distribution/os running in the VM. I am somewhat new to Ubuntu in general but given it's lack of instability trying to give Debian a run. |
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| 01:42 | <Jeff91> | Yea. |
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| 01:42 | <Jeff91> | I always stick to Ubuntu LTSes when I use it |
| 01:42 | <Jeff91> | and always wait like 3~ months after release |
| 01:43 | <Jeff91> | to try it |
| 01:44 | <aBound> | Jeff91, Funny that you mentioned that I tried to install Ubuntu 10.04 on my Sandisk flash drive but gave me errors. Nonetheless this is a brand new System76 laptop it was preinstalled with 11.10. |
| 01:44 | -!- | LK- is now known as Santa |
| 01:44 | <aBound> | Yet, Ubuntu 10.04 worked flawlessly in virtualbox. |
| 01:47 | <metaspike> | xorg as runlevel 2. bad idea? |
| 01:47 | <Bushmills> | 2-5 are all identical with debian |
| 01:48 | <Bushmills> | (by default, that is, unless you modify them) |
| 01:48 | <metaspike> | ok thanks Buh |
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| 01:48 | <Bushmills> | means, you're free to customize them as you like |
| 01:48 | <metaspike> | Bushmills! |
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| 01:50 | <aBound> | Any of you using Debian without instability issues or minor stability problems? |
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| 02:20 | <ryan_> | Does anyone here have experience with QScintilla? |
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| 04:24 | * | plop is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] |
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| 05:03 | <Neon> | Hello, I'm searching for a lib32sqlite3 package for debian squeeze amd64 and couldn't find anything yet. Is there a chance that such a package exists? Does anyone know where I can find it? |
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| 05:20 | <zebuj> | Hello, is there any good tool for linux, that hooks somehow on the boot loader and provides "plausible deniability" or "deniable encryption"? I mean in my case an encryption system that decrypt for different keys different systems... One "harmless" system with no sensible data if somebody is forced to give the key and one real key, that encrypts the real system... (Or perhaps a system that does something like that) |
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| 06:04 | <plop> | sorry, i don't quite understand the *kick* |
| 06:05 | <babilen> | plop: Turn off your auto-away ("10:24:56 *** plop is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On]") |
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| 06:07 | <plop> | autoaway no allowed in chat? |
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| 06:08 | <White_Buffalo> | hello o/ |
| 06:09 | <babilen> | plop: Not here |
| 06:09 | <White_Buffalo> | anyone know how to use make to uninstal something? |
| 06:10 | <plop> | oh, [1;31mO[1;32mH[0m,[0m |
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| 06:12 | <babilen> | White_Buffalo: If the makefile defines an uninstall target you can use "make uninstall" -- Not every upstream takes care of that though. You probably have installed the software to /usr/local anyway (you did, didn't you?) you can also just delete it from there manually. |
| 06:13 | <White_Buffalo> | with rm right? |
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| 06:14 | <babilen> | White_Buffalo: Yes |
| 06:14 | <White_Buffalo> | thnx ^^ |
| 06:14 | <babilen> | White_Buffalo: I typically use stow to manage installations from source -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage |
| 06:15 | <White_Buffalo> | this is znc, from tarball |
| 06:15 | <White_Buffalo> | i may have accidentally broke it >.> |
| 06:15 | <White_Buffalo> | so now re start from scratch |
| 06:16 | <babilen> | White_Buffalo: znc is packaged for Debian |
| 06:16 | <babilen> | ,versions znc |
| 06:16 | <judd> | Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.202-1+b1; wheezy: 0.202-1+b1 |
| 06:16 | <White_Buffalo> | yes |
| 06:17 | <White_Buffalo> | i need 0.202 and our server will only get .092 |
| 06:17 | <babilen> | ,checkbackport znc |
| 06:17 | <judd> | Backporting package znc in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 06:17 | <babilen> | !tell White_Buffalo -about ssb |
| 06:17 | <White_Buffalo> | thats a nice bot you got ther |
| 06:17 | <babilen> | White_Buffalo: You can backport it from sid |
| 06:17 | <White_Buffalo> | hmm |
| 06:17 | <White_Buffalo> | i added the backport to the list |
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| 06:18 | <White_Buffalo> | but it still gets the .092 version |
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| 06:18 | <babilen> | White_Buffalo: znc itself is not in http://backports.debian.org , but you can create the backport yourself by following the instructions in the ssb (simple sid backport) factoid dpkg just told you about. |
| 06:19 | * | White_Buffalo goes to read |
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| 06:19 | <babilen> | Always a good idea :) |
| 06:19 | <White_Buffalo> | :) |
| 06:20 | <White_Buffalo> | ok but will this still unclude the .cpp files as i need them |
| 06:20 | <White_Buffalo> | ? |
| 06:21 | <White_Buffalo> | *include sorry |
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| 06:28 | <White_Buffalo> | isn't there a way to transform a tarball into a debian file? |
| 06:28 | <White_Buffalo> | with dpkg? |
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| 06:35 | <devil> | White_Buffalo: checkinstall instead of install command will create a basic deb package |
| 06:36 | <devil> | which is fine for localk use, never for distribution |
| 06:36 | <devil> | local even |
| 06:36 | <White_Buffalo> | all i want to do is reinstall the znc from scratch as i broke the coding :P |
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| 06:36 | <referend_fred> | anybody up? |
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| 06:37 | <devil> | no. |
| 06:37 | <White_Buffalo> | :P |
| 06:37 | <devil> | White_Buffalo: checkinstall needs to be installed first before usage |
| 06:38 | <White_Buffalo> | well i downloaded the tar, extracted it and used make to install it |
| 06:38 | <reverend_fred> | would you guys know why init.d/snmpd restart would fail but stop then start would? |
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| 06:39 | <White_Buffalo> | <---- noob |
| 06:39 | <White_Buffalo> | ^.^ |
| 06:39 | <devil> | White_Buffalo: normaly you use 3-step: configure, make, make install |
| 06:39 | <White_Buffalo> | yes |
| 06:39 | <White_Buffalo> | thats what i did ^^ |
| 06:40 | <devil> | with checkinstall you use configure, make, checkinstall |
| 06:40 | <White_Buffalo> | ok |
| 06:40 | <devil> | which gives you a deb-package you can install |
| 06:40 | <White_Buffalo> | but the current version is currrently installed wont this install again? or will it overwrite> |
| 06:40 | <White_Buffalo> | ? |
| 06:40 | <devil> | so you have the package under dpkg control and can remove it anytime cleanly |
| 06:41 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 436] by debhelper |
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| 06:41 | <devil> | the deb from checkinstall will not overwrite anything not installed by dpkg or apt/aptitude |
| 06:41 | <babilen> | No, don't use checkinstall but backport the Debian package from sid |
| 06:41 | <babilen> | White_Buffalo: And remove it from /usr/local first -- If ZNC does not ship a "make uninstall" target you have to do it manually. |
| 06:43 | <White_Buffalo> | done thanks |
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| 06:59 | <reverend_fred> | would you guys know why init.d/snmpd restart would fail but stop then start would? |
| 07:00 | <fil3> | kill -9 |
| 07:01 | <reverend_fred> | so I couldn't use ./snmpd restart but ./snmpd stop; ./snmpd start works like it should |
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| 07:03 | <fil3> | what u use distro |
| 07:03 | <fil3> | uname -a |
| 07:04 | <reverend_fred> | Debian 5 x86_64 |
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| 07:06 | <metaspike> | maybe use. service <servicename> stop/start instead? if it doesn't stop properly, proberly somethings holding it up or the init.d/script is off |
| 07:07 | <fil3> | dmesg | grep snmpd |
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| 07:09 | <reverend_fred> | snmpd[2446]: segfault at 1 ip 00007f58d6e83cec sp 00007fffd212af70 error 4 in libnetsnmpmibs.so.15.1.0[7f58d6e49000+118000] |
| 07:09 | <fil3> | now u found eror |
| 07:09 | <fil3> | fix this with reinstall |
| 07:09 | <reverend_fred> | I saw that in the log files, probably should have mentioned that. |
| 07:10 | <babilen> | fil3: (Unrelated?): Make sure to upgrade to squeeze as soon as possible as security support for Lenny will stop in February. |
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| 07:11 | <jackjackjack> | hi, is anyone running this iceweasel 8? i can't find any .deb on google, just minor info |
| 07:11 | <babilen> | jackjackjack: http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 07:11 | <reverend_fred> | this is a bug? |
| 07:12 | <jackjackjack> | babilen, i chose beta ? |
| 07:12 | <jackjackjack> | or aurora |
| 07:13 | <babilen> | reverend_fred: Quite likely, but I can't tell without much more information. But you have to upgrade to squeeze anyway (really it is about time) -- See if you can still reproduce it on squeeze. |
| 07:13 | <babilen> | jackjackjack: I think you want -release |
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| 07:13 | <jackjackjack> | thanks |
| 07:14 | <reverend_fred> | it's a production box... :-) |
| 07:14 | <reverend_fred> | I'll let them know |
| 07:14 | <reverend_fred> | thanks!! |
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| 07:38 | <amir> | does anyone know a way to download a file in multiple parts and then merge them? |
| 07:39 | <amir> | i want to download a single file on different machines |
| 07:39 | <amir> | does anyone know a way to download a file in multiple parts and then merge them? |
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| 07:44 | <amir> | i want to download a single file on different machines |
| 07:44 | <amir> | does anyone know a way to download a file in multiple parts and then merge them? |
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| 07:47 | <metaspike> | rar, and others. |
| 07:47 | <metaspike> | 7zip. |
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| 07:47 | <amir> | no |
| 07:47 | <amir> | the file on the internet is not multi part |
| 07:48 | <amir> | but i want to download it in multiple parts |
| 07:48 | <amir> | like download managers |
| 07:48 | <amir> | but in different machines |
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| 07:50 | <amir> | do you know a way to do it? |
| 07:51 | <amir> | with wget or aria2c or anything else? |
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| 07:58 | <sergey_b84> | hello |
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| 09:27 | <john> | Good Morning, Merry Christmas |
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| 09:33 | <XeonBloomfield> | john: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year |
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| 10:54 | <Malibu> | hi |
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| 10:55 | <Malibu> | merry xmas folks |
| 10:55 | <sney> | thanks |
| 10:55 | <Malibu> | fuckin hate being in japan for christmas |
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| 10:59 | <esprimo> | Why? |
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| 11:02 | <sney> | I know a canadian guy who lives there teaching english, he has much the same opinion. meri kurisumasu |
| 11:03 | <daemonkeeper> | -> #debian-off-off-topic |
| 11:04 | <sney> | daemonkeeper: :P |
| 11:04 | <amir_> | does anyone know an download manager for downloading a file from multiple connections (by connection i mean network interfaces like eth0 and wlan0 not threads or mirrors) |
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| 11:05 | <sney> | amir_: not that I've ever heard of |
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| 11:08 | <amir_> | does anyone know a download manager for downloading a file from multiple connections (by connection i mean network interfaces like eth0 and wlan0 not threads or mirrors) |
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| 11:08 | <neodhes> | salut |
| 11:09 | <neodhes> | quelqu'un peut t'il m'expliquer le fonctionnement de xchat ? |
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| 11:10 | <sney> | neodhes: www.xchat.org |
| 11:10 | <sney> | there is probably a french translation or you can just run it through google |
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| 11:11 | <Malibu> | why? because being a foreigner sucks |
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| 11:12 | <amir_> | does anyone know how to download a file part by part |
| 11:12 | <neodhes> | i don't know, i'm a noob too |
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| 11:13 | <neodhes> | is there any french here ? |
| 11:13 | <sney> | neodhes: try in #debian-fr |
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| 11:14 | <neodhes> | thx y're my hero ! ^^ have a nice day |
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| 11:15 | <amir_> | does anyone know a download manager for downloading a file from multiple connections (by connection i mean network interfaces like eth0 and wlan0 not threads or mirrors) |
| 11:15 | <amir_> | or does anyone know how to download a file part by part? |
| 11:16 | <sney> | amir_, you just asked that less than 10 minutes ago, in a channel that will be dead all day because it's a holiday in the western workd |
| 11:16 | <sney> | world* |
| 11:17 | <sney> | part by part: read the man page for wget, there might be something in there for you. |
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| 11:36 | <ranjit> | hi |
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| 11:37 | <Guest21689> | HI.... guys.. now am fresher to use the Lubuntu.. |
| 11:39 | <boba> | !lubuntu |
| 11:39 | <dpkg> | Lubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with <LXDE>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.lubuntu.net/ #lubuntu on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 11:43 | <amir_> | does anyone know a download manager for downloading a file from multiple connections (by connection i mean network interfaces like eth0 and wlan0 not threads or mirrors) |
| 11:43 | <amir_> | or does anyone know how to download a file part by part? |
| 11:43 | <sney> | oh my fucking god amir |
| 11:43 | <amir_> | no one answers!!! |
| 11:43 | <sney> | you are not going to get an answer to that today in here. |
| 11:43 | <amir_> | why?? |
| 11:43 | <amir_> | where am i supposed to get answers? |
| 11:43 | <sney> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas |
| 11:44 | <amir_> | :D |
| 11:44 | <sney> | at the very least, nobody is at work and on irc. the only reason I'm here is because I got up early to start cooking. |
| 11:44 | <sney> | I don't think your first question is possible. for the second part, wget might have something. |
| 11:45 | <sney> | Otherwise, wait until tomorrow or something |
| 11:45 | <amir_> | i read all the manual page right now |
| 11:45 | <amir_> | there was nothing |
| 11:46 | <sney> | realistically, this channel will be mostly useless until Tuesday |
| 11:46 | <sney> | and it will not come back fully until Jan 2 |
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| 11:47 | <amir_> | OMG |
| 11:47 | <amir_> | there is no Christmas here |
| 11:47 | <sney> | yeah, I know it's not everyone obviously |
| 11:48 | <sney> | but this channel is mostly people in north america and western europe, and even if they aren't christian, they still have the day off |
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| 11:48 | <amir_> | i'm in iran |
| 11:49 | <amir_> | our holidays in three months later |
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| 11:49 | <amir_> | sorry: in -> is |
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| 11:49 | <sney> | do you ever try calling the help desk during that holiday? |
| 11:49 | <amir_> | this is actually my first time |
| 11:50 | <mhall119> | later? I thought it was three months earlier |
| 11:50 | <sney> | I thought it was one of the sort that moves around because the calendar is a different length |
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| 11:51 | <mhall119> | Ramadan was around August this year, wasn't it? |
| 11:51 | <amir_> | our calender has not a different length from yours |
| 11:51 | <amir_> | but arabian calender is |
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| 11:51 | <amir_> | i didn't mean Ramadan |
| 11:52 | <amir_> | i meant new year's holiday |
| 11:52 | <mhall119> | forgive my ignorance, that's the only Islamic holiday I know of |
| 11:52 | <mhall119> | ah, ok |
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| 11:52 | <amir_> | new year's holiday is islamic. |
| 11:52 | <amir_> | it's national |
| 11:52 | <Bushmills> | there'll be newruz or however it's spelled then |
| 11:53 | <amir_> | yes, exactly |
| 11:53 | <Bushmills> | the equivalent of new year |
| 11:53 | <amir_> | yes |
| 11:53 | <amir_> | nouruz = nou + ruz |
| 11:53 | <amir_> | nou = new |
| 11:53 | <amir_> | ruz = day |
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| 11:54 | <Bushmills> | bittornado |
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| 11:55 | <Bushmills> | (download from multiple sources, albeit bittorrent peers and seeds) |
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| 11:56 | <amir_> | Bushmills: are you talking to me? |
| 11:56 | <sney> | yeah now that you mention it, bittorrent clients might support multiple ifaces as well... but amir_ was probably talking about http downloads |
| 11:56 | <mhall119> | Bushmills: I believ ehe wanted to use multiple local NICs |
| 11:56 | <mhall119> | not multiple remote sources |
| 11:56 | <Bushmills> | yes, will. routing determines what interface will be used |
| 11:57 | <amir_> | but i meant http downloads |
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| 11:57 | <Bushmills> | that's the problem with not stating your requirements completely |
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| 11:58 | <Bushmills> | it's nice that you *meant* it. none was able to look into your head |
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| 11:58 | <amir_> | okay. i'll tell you |
| 11:59 | <Bushmills> | "know a download manager for downloading a file from multiple connections" fully qualifies bittorrent |
| 11:59 | * | mhall119 saw into his head |
| 11:59 | <amir_> | in my university every ip address has a limitation of 512kbitps |
| 11:59 | <mhall119> | ouch |
| 11:59 | <amir_> | and i want to download files by multiple ip addresses |
| 12:00 | <mhall119> | what are you trying to download? |
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| 12:00 | <amir_> | many things |
| 12:00 | <amir_> | til now |
| 12:01 | <amir_> | but the files i want to download are not part by part |
| 12:01 | <mhall119> | zsync might work you're downloading updates to a large file (like an ISO) and the remote server supports it |
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| 12:06 | <amir_> | zsync requires me to have an older version of my download |
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| 12:07 | <amir_> | i want to download different parts of a download from different ips |
| 12:07 | <amir_> | but the file is continuous |
| 12:07 | <amir_> | not part by part |
| 12:08 | <valdyn> | amir_: whats the point? |
| 12:08 | <craigevil> | amir_, check out multiget |
| 12:08 | <amir_> | if i download a file from different ips i can download multiple times faster |
| 12:09 | <amir_> | because of the speed limits on ips |
| 12:09 | <amir_> | multiget is multithread not multi interface |
| 12:09 | <valdyn> | amir_: how are you switching between ips? |
| 12:09 | <amir_> | by creating virtual machines |
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| 12:10 | <amir_> | and bridging their networks |
| 12:10 | <valdyn> | wow |
| 12:10 | <valdyn> | amir_: sounds like alot of effort to download a file |
| 12:10 | <amir_> | yeah |
| 12:11 | <amir_> | but it would also be great if someone know a way to create a dummy network interface and bridge it to the main interface!! |
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| 12:12 | <amir_> | then i can have two ip addresses without virtual machines |
| 12:12 | <valdyn> | amir_: there should be reasonable approach to your problem if thats a reasonable problem. But after all you told us, its just a silly idea, not an actual problem you need to solve |
| 12:14 | <amir_> | you don't know how slow is our internet connection!! :( |
| 12:14 | <valdyn> | amir_: the theorteical speedup is 2, thats not going to save more than half the time |
| 12:15 | <amir_> | speed up is 2 if i use 2 ips |
| 12:15 | <amir_> | but if i use more than 2 ips ... |
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| 12:16 | <amir_> | every debian on a virtual machine needs only 300MB of ram |
| 12:16 | <amir_> | and i have 4GB of it |
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| 12:17 | <valdyn> | amir_: you can use multiget with policy routing, you dont need vms |
| 12:17 | <amir_> | what is policy routing? |
| 12:17 | <valdyn> | amir_: or actually, you dont even need policy routing, just destination based routing as usual |
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| 12:18 | <valdyn> | amir_: hmm, ignore that, you *need* policy based routing, but no vm |
| 12:18 | <amir_> | what is that |
| 12:18 | <amir_> | ?? |
| 12:18 | <valdyn> | amir_: the feature is that you can setup multiple routing tables where the used one can depend on various things |
| 12:20 | <amir_> | you said "used one". if that mean that i can use only one rout, it will not help me. |
| 12:21 | <valdyn> | amir_: this goes by packet or by connection, not some general fixed destination. The last one would be the default. You already have that and its not useful. |
| 12:23 | <valdyn> | amir_: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7291 |
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| 12:27 | <valdyn> | amir_: you dont need a special downloader program to work with this |
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| 12:29 | <amir_> | thanks |
| 12:29 | <amir_> | i will take a look at that |
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| 12:29 | <amir_> | but now i gotta go |
| 12:29 | <amir_> | i will be back |
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| 12:47 | <ggherdov> | hi all. I don't know if this is offtopic. I'm installing the obsolete Etch. I'd like to know a debian mirror who still supports Etch, so that I can configure my apt. Looks like all the usual mirrors don't have Etch anymore (or so it says my installer, during the netinst). Any hint? |
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| 12:52 | <variable_> | need hdd tester for bad sectors |
| 12:53 | <variable_> | hi |
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| 12:55 | <chealer> | !tell ggherdov about etch |
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| 12:55 | <variable_> | hello is there any hdd tool to test bad sectors? |
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| 12:57 | <ggherdov> | hello chealer, thanks. Should I query the dpkg bot for info? i am... ehm... new here. |
| 12:57 | <chealer> | hi ggherdov. yes |
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| 12:57 | <chealer> | !etch |
| 12:57 | <dpkg> | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 12:57 | <chealer> | !etch sources.list |
| 12:58 | <dpkg> | methinks etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 12:58 | <chealer> | variable_: do you know SMART? |
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| 12:58 | <ZekeS> | !etch iso |
| 12:58 | <dpkg> | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/ . Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. Security support for Etch ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. |
| 12:58 | <variable_> | not at all |
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| 12:59 | <ggherdov> | chealerm ZekeS: woah, I am having an interesting conversation with dpkg :-) |
| 13:00 | <chealer> | variable_: you may want to see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#Self-tests and to use smartmontools to run a self-test |
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| 13:01 | <variable_> | chealer, thanks alot |
| 13:01 | <ggherdov> | chealer: just out of curiosity, what does the 'bang' sign (!) do? is that an IRC command, or a command specific to the bot? |
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| 13:02 | <ggherdov> | " The addressCharacter "!" is to get my attention in a normal channel. Please leave it off when messaging me directly. " |
| 13:02 | <ggherdov> | got it :-) |
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| 13:02 | <sleepyal> | can someone please tell me why the system is asking me for the cd every time i try to install a package with apt-get? |
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| 13:03 | <ZekeS> | sleepyal: you still have the CD in your sources.list |
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| 13:03 | <sleepyal> | where is the source.list file? |
| 13:04 | <chealer> | ggherdov: :-) |
| 13:04 | <chealer> | !sources.list |
| 13:04 | <dpkg> | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 13:07 | <sleepyal> | thank you |
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| 13:09 | <variable_> | my bottom panel shows small squears, insted it should be lardge with applications title and some icons, how to fix that? |
| 13:10 | <variable_> | i'm using gnome |
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| 13:13 | <variable_> | i fixed it |
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| 13:27 | <CookAnEgg> | Hello |
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| 14:31 | <giuseppe> | film |
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| 15:08 | <technologov> | hi all ! I need help making WebM work on Debian |
| 15:08 | <Bushmills> | documentation is frequently extremely helpful |
| 15:08 | <technologov> | it seems WebM not supported in Squeeze. What are my options ? |
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| 15:10 | <Bushmills> | i suppose obtaining source code and compiling it would be an option. other than looking for a third-party package repository |
| 15:10 | <sney> | webm is a codec for internet video, Bushmills |
| 15:11 | <sney> | technologov: are you trying to make it work in iceweasel? the updated builds at mozilla.debian.net will help you |
| 15:11 | <sney> | also, the chrome build from google |
| 15:11 | <technologov> | sney, no. Locally - in KDE Kaffeine. |
| 15:12 | <technologov> | I have local videos in WebM, which, funny, but work in non-free OS :) |
| 15:13 | <Bushmills> | mplayer seems to support webm |
| 15:13 | <Bushmills> | !dmm |
| 15:13 | <dpkg> | [dmm][dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 15:13 | <sney> | hmm, I'd tell you to ask in #debian-kde but I know they'll tell you to upgrade to wheezy so you can have kde 4.6 |
| 15:13 | <sney> | yeah, try to get it working in another player first, so we can narrow down where the problem really is |
| 15:14 | <technologov> | problem is obvious - too old 'libavcodec' (part of FFmpeg). Squeeze ships v0.5.x, while 0.6.x is required for WebM |
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| 15:14 | <technologov> | I'm trying to use 'backports', but no success |
| 15:14 | <sney> | see, that's a detail. you need to share those when you ask for help |
| 15:14 | <technologov> | (I don't know how-to search in it) |
| 15:15 | <technologov> | ohh ok |
| 15:15 | <technologov> | now it became visible in "synaptic" |
| 15:15 | <sney> | well once backports is enabled on your system (added like any apt source) it is searched like anything |
| 15:15 | <sney> | ok |
| 15:15 | <sney> | you probably just needed to update |
| 15:15 | <technologov> | I just hope to keep my system stable |
| 15:16 | <technologov> | so I think about squeeze + backports combo |
| 15:16 | <sney> | backports _usually_ don't introduce bugs |
| 15:16 | <technologov> | Is it more stable than 'testing', right ? |
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| 15:16 | <sney> | much more |
| 15:16 | <technologov> | ok |
| 15:17 | <technologov> | For me it was a bit of a shock that free codec WebM is actively used on non-free OSes, while free OS doesn't support it... |
| 15:18 | <sney> | well you said it yourself, it's due to a more recent libavcodec |
| 15:18 | <technologov> | y. |
| 15:18 | <sney> | debian stable releases get frozen with no new versions added |
| 15:18 | <sney> | so it's just time's fault, really |
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| 15:21 | <technologov> | Yes, I understand the need of stability. (just trying to find a good middle ground between it and latest-and-greatest) |
| 15:21 | <technologov> | otherwise, I would end up in Fedora world ^^ |
| 15:22 | <mewtwo> | backport packages are just testing or unstable packages re-compiled but against stable libraries right? |
| 15:22 | <technologov> | y. |
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| 15:23 | <technologov> | but 'ffmpeg' is low-level library |
| 15:23 | <mewtwo> | doesn't that mean you can always just do a apt-get source and compile yourself? |
| 15:23 | <technologov> | It has a *ton* of stuff compiled on top |
| 15:23 | <mewtwo> | or dpkg compile or something (I'm new to debian here) |
| 15:23 | <technologov> | not sure if Kaffeine (stable) can use library from backports |
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| 15:24 | <technologov> | bad news: KDE Kaffeine player keeps using old (stable) library... |
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| 15:25 | <dondelelcaro> | technologov: you'd have to recompile whatever is using the library |
| 15:25 | <dondelelcaro> | technologov: but that's pretty easy |
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| 15:25 | <technologov> | dondelelcaro, Doesn't 'backports' repo provides all the recompiled stuff ? |
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| 15:25 | <dondelelcaro> | technologov: in some cases, but generally not |
| 15:26 | <technologov> | dondelelcaro, it is not easy if u have many layers of dependencies |
| 15:26 | <mikah> | how do I make debian/kde NOT see txt files as +x |
| 15:26 | <dondelelcaro> | technologov: and it actually isn't that hard |
| 15:26 | <mikah> | i try sudo chmod -x and it still sees _x |
| 15:26 | <technologov> | only if 1 level of deps, compiling is easy |
| 15:26 | <dondelelcaro> | technologov: even if there are many levels of dependencies |
| 15:27 | <technologov> | is there a channel #backports here ? |
| 15:28 | <dondelelcaro> | technologov: but in this case, you just install the backported version of the library, then recompile kaffeine against it |
| 15:29 | <technologov> | not rly... Kaffeine uses libxine, which uses 'ffmpeg' |
| 15:29 | <technologov> | 2 layers of deps |
| 15:29 | <technologov> | too much |
| 15:29 | <mikah> | actually i have two questions 1. why does debian/kde want to open all .txt files as +x when i've chmod'd them to -x and 2. Why does aptitude always want to remove like 2 hundred packages when i aptitude install <insert random package> |
| 15:30 | <Bushmills> | mikah: what file system is on the device you're having +x txt files? |
| 15:30 | <mewtwo> | technologov: which library do you need backported for Kaffeine? |
| 15:30 | <mikah> | afaik it should be ext3/4 |
| 15:31 | <technologov> | mewtwo, libxine and friends |
| 15:31 | <technologov> | friends = libxine1-ffmpeg |
| 15:31 | <technologov> | +maybe more |
| 15:31 | <technologov> | (I'm not pro in such matters) |
| 15:31 | <mikah> | actually it looks like it's msdos apparently lemmie check the mount output |
| 15:31 | <Bushmills> | "...want to open..." - what are their actual permissions? |
| 15:31 | <mikah> | yea it's vfat |
| 15:32 | <Bushmills> | fat has no place for all permissions bits per file as ext2/3/4 has |
| 15:32 | <Bushmills> | therefore they can't be set individually per file |
| 15:32 | <mikah> | so it's assumed a +x? |
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| 15:32 | <Bushmills> | that depends on mount options |
| 15:33 | <mikah> | (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=mixed,flush) |
| 15:33 | <technologov> | mewtwo, is the a bugzilla / featurezilla for 'backports' repo ? |
| 15:33 | <Bushmills> | threre's probably some noexec mount option for fat - read man page |
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| 15:34 | <mikah> | well all i wanted was an explaination as to why, I should have checked the mount output before assuming the fstype |
| 15:34 | <mikah> | thx |
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| 15:34 | <mewtwo> | technologov: so squeeze has 1.1.19-2 for libxine1-ffmpeg |
| 15:35 | <mewtwo> | technologov: isn't that sufficient for kaffeine (1.2.2-1)? |
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| 15:35 | <mewtwo> | technologov: I'm just looking at http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=kaffeine |
| 15:35 | <technologov> | mewtwo, not for WebM support :) (Kaffeine works in Squeeze, but lacks WebM codec) |
| 15:36 | <mewtwo> | technologov: you can limit the suites to search just backports |
| 15:36 | <technologov> | libxine1-ffmpeg should be rebuilt against new libavcodec (from backports) |
| 15:36 | <mewtwo> | ahhh |
| 15:36 | <technologov> | libxine1-ffmpeg uses old stable codec (no WebM) |
| 15:36 | <mewtwo> | tricky |
| 15:37 | <technologov> | 'backports' repo can override 'stable' packages ? |
| 15:37 | <technologov> | Or only install nearby ? |
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| 15:38 | <mewtwo> | with apt-pinning I think you can choose which repos to prefer |
| 15:38 | <sc30317> | is it possible to install xfce4.8 in debian squeeze 6.0.3? |
| 15:38 | <mewtwo> | so for some packages, you can get backports repo to 'override' |
| 15:39 | <technologov> | i use synaptic |
| 15:39 | <technologov> | package->force version |
| 15:39 | <technologov> | it should work like apt-pinning |
| 15:40 | <mewtwo> | gotcha |
| 15:40 | <technologov> | but problem is: No new "libxine" in backports (or I can't find it) |
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| 15:42 | <mewtwo> | does libxine1-ffmpeg (1.1.20-2 from testing) have WebM? |
| 15:43 | <mewtwo> | it depends on libavcodec53 |
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| 15:43 | <kayla> | hey what up |
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| 15:43 | <kayla> | hey |
| 15:43 | <mewtwo> | hi |
| 15:43 | <kayla> | what up |
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| 15:44 | <mewtwo> | ceiling |
| 15:44 | <mewtwo> | =] |
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| 15:44 | <kayla> | how old are you |
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| 15:45 | <jackjackjack> | hello, is there any backports address for pidgin ? i would like to install the last version mentioned on their site |
| 15:45 | <jackjackjack> | are^ |
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| 15:50 | <technologov> | mewtwo, pretty sure - yes |
| 15:51 | <mewtwo> | technologov: well, if synaptic will let you do the equivalent of apt-pinning, what happens if you try to install the testing version? |
| 15:52 | <mewtwo> | technologov: if it doesn't pull in too many other packages, you might consider mixing in testing for just this package |
| 15:54 | <technologov> | hmmm.. I will try this (I'm kinda noob in Debian - so it is kinda hard to adjust for mixing repos) |
| 15:54 | <technologov> | of different stability |
| 15:54 | <jhutchins_lt> | technologov: You enable backports and request a specific package. It tries not to install anything unnecessary. |
| 15:54 | <technologov> | I did it - but 'backports' lacks some key pieces |
| 15:54 | <jhutchins_lt> | technologov: Using backports and volitile within the same release is cool, you want to avoid mixing packages from different releases. |
| 15:55 | <technologov> | it installed the key component side-by-side with my Debian-stable piece |
| 15:55 | <technologov> | but the new piece is not used... |
| 15:55 | <technologov> | higher-level packages keep using 'stable' dependencies |
| 15:55 | <technologov> | instead of 'backports' stuff |
| 15:56 | <yobo> | jackjackjack: according to this page http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/ the pidgin package on stable is 2.7.3-1 (http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/pidgin). On backports (http://backports-master.debian.org/) I can find that there is no pidgin backported. And on http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pidgin I can confirm the above and see that the package from testin (wheezy) is 2.10.1-1 |
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| 15:56 | <mewtwo> | jhutchins_lt: I've heard this many times, but I don't understand the reason. What is the danger in mixing packages from different releases? (new to Debian, I'm coming from gentoo) |
| 15:56 | <mewtwo> | technologov: is there a backported version of the higher-level packages? |
| 15:57 | <technologov> | nope. |
| 15:57 | <technologov> | WebM stack looks like: |
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| 15:57 | <jackjackjack> | yobo, but how do i automatic install it? |
| 15:57 | <technologov> | libavcodec -> libxine -> KDE Kaffeine player |
| 15:57 | <jackjackjack> | it's complicated manual installing every dependency from that page |
| 15:57 | <technologov> | only libavcodec exists in 'backports' - low-level stuff |
| 15:58 | <technologov> | But it is installed side-by-side with Debian's package, not replaces it |
| 15:58 | <technologov> | so top level packages keep using old codecs |
| 15:59 | <mewtwo> | technologov: right. usually installing side-by-side is a good thing as it prevents breakage in other packages.. but here I see how it can pose a problem |
| 15:59 | <mewtwo> | technologov: well you can request that the high-level package (ie. Kaffeine) be backported with WebM |
| 16:00 | <technologov> | I requested help on "debian-backports' ML |
| 16:00 | <technologov> | I dunno how-to solve it best way |
| 16:00 | <technologov> | backport Kaffeine + libxine -or- ... |
| 16:01 | <technologov> | -or- replace Debian's packages, and risk stability |
| 16:01 | <mewtwo> | you can always get the apt-get the source and compile it yourself. If you're up for it, you can even contribute your work to backports |
| 16:01 | <technologov> | mewtwo, I can't compile with 2 levels of lacking deps |
| 16:01 | <mewtwo> | backporting kaffeine + libxine sounds better than replacing any packages |
| 16:01 | <technologov> | It is too much for me. (I'm not Linux guru) |
| 16:02 | <mewtwo> | libxine shouldn't be missing any deps right? |
| 16:02 | <yobo> | jackjackjack: automatic? If you want to install something that is not in your installed version you have to do it manually, For example see this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 16:02 | <mewtwo> | you already have libavcodec installed from backports |
| 16:02 | <yobo> | jackjackjack: why do you want the latest? |
| 16:03 | <jackjackjack> | new features yobo |
| 16:03 | <mewtwo> | if you don't want to compile (and I hear you =] on that), I must defer to someone with more debian experience |
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| 16:04 | <yobo> | sorry I can't help you anymore on this, only know the theory, never really tried it |
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| 16:04 | <jackjackjack> | it's ok, thanks/ i'm manually downloading everything |
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| 16:04 | <jackjackjack> | only have to search for that multiple deb install command |
| 16:05 | <yobo> | good luck, if nothing else it is going to be educational |
| 16:05 | <jackjackjack> | something with pkg * probably. thanks |
| 16:05 | <technologov> | ok, I have added testing repo |
| 16:06 | <jackjackjack> | oh yea :D dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 16:07 | <mewtwo> | technologov: how many packages does it pull when you ask for Kaffeine? |
| 16:08 | <technologov> | brb |
| 16:08 | <iorivur> | When I type ´ and ` |
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| 16:08 | <iorivur> | These character cannot be inputed, |
| 16:09 | <iorivur> | and type them multiply, these are inputed once. |
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| 16:09 | <iorivur> | My keyboard arrangement is USA. |
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| 16:11 | <iorivur> | and, when I type ´ and a, the input is á |
| 16:11 | <heikkila> | yes |
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| 16:12 | <heikkila> | é è ó ò ḿ ǹ.. but what is your problem? |
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| 16:12 | <jackjackjack> | no no no this is bullshit again with the package conflicts |
| 16:12 | <jackjackjack> | this is why linux drives me crazy |
| 16:12 | <jackjackjack> | why |
| 16:13 | <jackjackjack> | why on christmas day why |
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| 16:13 | <iorivur> | Well, I often uses quotation, and I want to type these quotation at once. heikkkila |
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| 16:13 | <iorivur> | s/heikkkila/heikkila/ |
| 16:13 | <iorivur> | sorry |
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| 16:18 | <iorivur> | Or, this is usual behavior of us arrangement? > heikkila |
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| 16:19 | <heikkila> | iorivur, I don't think they are the actual quotation marks. You can probably rebind some key to be quotation marks, but I'm not sure how it's done. :/ |
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| 16:24 | <iorivur> | heikkila, thanks your advice to said ´ ` and ¨ is not actual ascii character. |
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| 16:25 | <iorivur> | heikkila, I did dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration. but I didnt chose AtrGr none, and compose key, none. |
| 16:26 | <rebli> | Am I the only one having problems with iceweasel, randomly it freezes, eating up 100% of cpu, strace say it's calling futex |
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| 16:26 | <iorivur> | rebli, are you using Adobe Flash Player? |
| 16:27 | <rebli> | yes, but the problem arised only after I upgrade to iceweasel 8.0 |
| 16:28 | <iorivur> | Hmmm.... |
| 16:28 | <rebli> | and I use flashblock |
| 16:28 | <iorivur> | Im using iceweasel, but it is so stable.... |
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| 16:29 | <rebli> | maybe I must upgrade the kernel (the futex thing...) now i'm using 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 16:29 | <rebli> | never such problems before 8.0 |
| 16:31 | <rebli> | the behaviour is erratic, I cannot reproduce the problem, even reloading the same saved session |
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| 16:34 | <heikkila> | iorivur, are you using ascii? |
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| 16:37 | <technologov> | thanks-god it WORKED !!!! |
| 16:37 | <technologov> | WebM works, after installing 15 'testing' packages |
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| 16:38 | <iorivur> | heikkila, Well, Im using UTF8 mainly. But you said ´¨` are actual quotation. What did you mean? |
| 16:38 | <iorivur> | sorry, s/actual/not actual/ |
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| 16:39 | <heikkila> | iorivur, they are accents for other letters, like é |
| 16:40 | <heikkila> | ‘ ’ are quotations |
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| 16:41 | <iorivur> | ah, yes, I know that. OK, I could get what you mean now. Thanks. |
| 16:41 | <heikkila> | np :) |
| 16:41 | <iorivur> | Plz tell me where should I try to change then. |
| 16:42 | <heikkila> | Not that I could separate them easily.. I'm lazy and use ' " ` :) |
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| 16:43 | <iorivur> | This is repeated question, but I don´t know this is usual behavior or not, so teach me whether. Previously, I used jp arrangement. |
| 16:43 | <heikkila> | I think man texts use ` and ' (or if that latter is ') as quotations (perhaps for ascii restrictions once upon a time?) |
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| 16:44 | <technologov> | Q: Debian-desktops are usually consist of stable+testing or testing+unstable combo ? |
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| 16:46 | <iorivur> | Well, I couldnt understand that... |
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| 16:46 | <heikkila> | iorivur, I don't know how to edit a keyboard layout, only how to change to another (ie. English to German) :( |
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| 16:47 | <CookAnEgg> | Bye |
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| 16:49 | <iorivur> | Thanks heikkila. |
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| 16:57 | <ubuntu__> | Hi, I got a question concerning the installation of Adobe Air in Debian - is that a good place to ask? |
| 16:58 | <technologov> | better ask Adobe ^^ |
| 16:58 | <technologov> | Air is not part of Debian |
| 16:58 | <ubuntu__> | maybe just someone has already tried and succeeded.... |
| 16:58 | <technologov> | or in your case in #ubuntu |
| 16:58 | <technologov> | (@_@) |
| 16:59 | <ubuntu__> | i use linux mint debian (don't know why it sais ubuntu ;-)) |
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| 16:59 | <Bushmills> | probably because it is ubuntu based |
| 17:00 | <Bushmills> | why not try to install debian instead? |
| 17:00 | <ubuntu__> | cause I like the mint way and the debian way :D anyway, well the installer starts and i agree to the terms, but then it sais gnome-keyring needs to be installed, but it already is installed - maybe it is too new? |
| 17:00 | <Bushmills> | (that means, not ubuntu, and not mint) |
| 17:00 | <Bushmills> | ah, ok. good luck then |
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| 17:01 | <Bushmills> | i'm sure mint has its own support channel somewhere else |
| 17:01 | <iorivur> | Well, I heard air is not supported on linux |
| 17:02 | <ubuntu__> | well about mint i dont now. about air: they dont support it any longer but still offer older versions for download. |
| 17:02 | <ubuntu__> | the newest is 2.7 but 2.6 was still supported |
| 17:02 | <technologov> | best to ask Adobe ppl for software, that is both rare and not supported by Debian |
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| 17:03 | <Bushmills> | air is built around flash. shudder |
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| 17:03 | <Bushmills> | you better stick to mint then |
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| 17:03 | <Bushmills> | or ubuntu |
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| 17:04 | <ubuntu__> | well anyone ever tried to install Air on native Debian? (http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/853/cpsid_85304.html) |
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| 17:05 | <iorivur> | Well, I remember I installed air over flash once upon a time.... I thought it´s far from secure... |
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| 17:05 | <iorivur> | I can´t remember it was debian or not. |
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| 17:06 | <ubuntu__> | it is a single executable I think not independent on the distro |
| 17:06 | <ubuntu__> | (not dependent sorry) |
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| 17:07 | <noobstar> | ahoj |
| 17:07 | <noobstar> | lama |
| 17:07 | <Bushmills> | !mint |
| 17:07 | <dpkg> | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 17:08 | <ubuntu__> | ok thanks for your help so far, I'll try to find their channels... |
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| 17:46 | <fborges22> | hello |
| 17:46 | <fborges22> | anyone here? |
| 17:46 | <novaphile> | :) |
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| 17:46 | <fborges22> | anybody here uses lubuntu distro? |
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| 18:22 | <sleepyal> | can someone point me in the right direction as far as configuring my network adapters for static ip via the command line or some config file? |
| 18:23 | <valdyn> | !interfaces |
| 18:23 | <dpkg> | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 18:25 | <sleepyal> | thanks |
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| 18:31 | <sleepyal> | isn't that network-interfaces.gz a binary or a archive? |
| 18:32 | <sleepyal> | when using less it gives me some strange output |
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| 18:32 | <XayOn_> | sleepyal: Is a gzip compressed file |
| 18:32 | <sleepyal> | whats inside it? |
| 18:32 | <XayOn_> | gzip -d network-interfaces.gz # This will de-compress it. |
| 18:33 | <XayOn_> | sleepyal: Network configuration file examples I guess |
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| 18:33 | <XayOn_> | Sample confs for /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 18:33 | <XayOn_> | For future times, you can get the filetype of a file with file |
| 18:33 | <XayOn_> | file network-interfaces.gz |
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| 18:34 | <sleepyal> | thank you |
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| 18:57 | <technologov> | debian desktop users use stable+testing or testing +unstable combo ? |
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| 18:59 | <babilen> | technologov: Neither, stable+bdo / testing [+unstable] / unstable |
| 18:59 | <technologov> | stable+bdo proven bad idea. (no WebM) |
| 18:59 | <technologov> | So I ended up in stable+testing combo |
| 19:00 | <technologov> | (maybe with advances in 'backports' I could re-vist this idea) |
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| 19:00 | <babilen> | technologov: Well, mixing stable and testing/unstable is not recommended. You can backport selected packages manually by following "/msg dpkg ssb" and get more recent iceweasel versions from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 19:01 | <technologov> | It turned out that both Squeeze and it's backports do not support free WebM codec. |
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| 19:01 | <technologov> | So I had to jump though hoops to get it working. |
| 19:02 | <babilen> | tried iw8? |
| 19:02 | <technologov> | what is it? |
| 19:02 | <babilen> | iceweasel version 8 |
| 19:02 | <babilen> | (-release) |
| 19:02 | <technologov> | hmmm... no need. |
| 19:02 | <technologov> | I use Chromium 6 as web browser here |
| 19:02 | <technologov> | (from Stable) |
| 19:03 | <technologov> | I speak about local WebM support, not web WebM support - sorry for fun :) |
| 19:03 | <technologov> | But I have lots of local WebM videos |
| 19:03 | <technologov> | on HDD |
| 19:04 | <technologov> | For web use I may upg. to newest Google Chrome later... |
| 19:06 | <technologov> | But I value the work done on the 'stable' branch, so that both web browsers getting support in stable, despite being EOL by upstream developers |
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| 19:32 | <jhutchins_lt> | !frankendebian |
| 19:32 | <dpkg> | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
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| 19:33 | <jhutchins_lt> | technologov: Somehow I've managed to get through at least two years of constant Debian Stable without ever running into a problem with that. |
| 19:34 | <jhutchins_lt> | There may have been one or two times I came up against a component that was "too old", but usually not. |
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| 19:35 | <jhutchins_lt> | When I started using linux many years ago, it was important to get the latest, newest versions of everything as soon as possible because vast strides of progress in function and usability were being made. |
| 19:36 | <jhutchins_lt> | Now things are much more stable, things just work from the beginning, and upgrades are something to be very suspicious of in many other distributions. |
| 19:36 | <jhutchins_lt> | These days the newest untested code is NOT what you want if you actually use your computer (as opposed to entertaining yourself by breaking and fixing it). |
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| 19:41 | <diego> | hi |
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| 19:46 | <diego_> | hi |
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| 20:12 | <aBound> | Hey all how stable is Debian right now compared to Ubuntu 11.10 if anybody has tested out 11.10. |
| 20:12 | <abrotman> | debian stable is pretty stable |
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| 20:13 | <jhutchins_lt> | abrotman: Debian stable is very stable. |
| 20:13 | <jhutchins_lt> | Gah, sorry. |
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| 20:14 | <abrotman> | nice |
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| 20:16 | <aBound> | abrotman, As I am still somewhat new to Linux is it possible to install gnome shell and the restricted nvidia driver in Debian? |
| 20:16 | <abrotman> | aBound: Debian Stable does not have gnome3 |
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| 20:16 | <abrotman> | testing/unstable do .. but they may or may not be stable ... depends on your definition of stable |
| 20:18 | <aBound> | My definition of stable is for it to just work. As they say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Seeing as Ubuntu 11.10 is quite unstable at the moment. |
| 20:18 | <aBound> | I need to at least get the nVidia binary driver to install onto Debian. |
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| 20:18 | <abrotman> | well, then you'd use stable, but it doesn't have gnome3, nor a 3.x kernel .. so if your life depends on SNS .. you won't like Stable |
| 20:18 | <abrotman> | !tell aBound about nvidia |
| 20:19 | <aBound> | abrotman, Haven't a clue what SNS is. Though I'd definitely prefer stable over bleeding edge. |
| 20:19 | <abrotman> | !sns |
| 20:19 | <dpkg> | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 20:20 | <aBound> | abrotman, What about compiz? As long as my nvidia card and wireless card works with stability I'm a happy camper. |
| 20:20 | <abrotman> | aBound: the nvidia binary blob is available if you enable contrib/non-free |
| 20:20 | <abrotman> | judd: versions compiz |
| 20:20 | <judd> | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5; wheezy: 0.8.4-5; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 20:20 | <abrotman> | aBound: which wifi card do you have ? |
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| 20:21 | <aBound> | I have a System76 laptop that was custom built and preconfigured for Ubuntu 11.10 the wifi card is called: ntel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module |
| 20:21 | <aBound> | Intel** |
| 20:21 | <abrotman> | uhm, not sure about tha tmodel .. but generally that'd be the iwlwifi |
| 20:21 | <abrotman> | !tell aBound about iwlwifif |
| 20:21 | <abrotman> | !tell aBound about iwlwifi |
| 20:22 | <abrotman> | !tell aBound about iwlwifi |
| 20:22 | <aBound> | abrotman, Seemed to work fine with virtualbox but I can't say if it'll work with the actual installation. |
| 20:22 | <abrotman> | !tell aBound about iwlagn |
| 20:22 | <abrotman> | aBound: read the docs .. see what they say |
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| 20:23 | <aBound> | abrotman, No problem I'll check them out. |
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| 20:24 | <aBound> | abrotman, One more question. |
| 20:24 | <aBound> | abrotman, Better off downloading the LiveCD and installing it or would it be wiser to download the DVD iso? |
| 20:24 | <abrotman> | !netinst |
| 20:24 | <dpkg> | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 20:27 | <aBound> | Dang, debian dvd 4.4GBs |
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| 20:28 | <abrotman> | aBound: use the netinst .. not the DVDs |
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| 20:30 | <aBound> | abrotman, netinstal over livecd install? |
| 20:30 | <aBound> | Blah! |
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| 20:33 | <technologov> | jhutchins, that is - unless u have collection of WebM videos... |
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| 20:49 | <aBound> | abrotman, Yup seems like it's supported now if I can just get it installed later in the day thankies. :-) |
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| 20:53 | <aBound> | Have a good one ya'll and merry xmas. |
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| 21:30 | <metaspike> | so powertop tunables, i just switch "bad" to "good" and that's it? |
| 21:31 | <theresa> | I am really enjoying the new debian |
| 21:32 | <theresa> | I got fluxbox installed, epic5, using chromium - I feel free man |
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| 21:43 | <metaspike> | fluxbox rox :D |
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| 21:54 | <jf> | salut |
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| 23:11 | <mikah> | ok. here's the issue i'm having now I want to use my psk-tkip encrypted wifi without the kdewallet storing the key |
| 23:11 | <mikah> | basically i don't want the wallet open |
| 23:11 | <mikah> | but still wanna be able to store my key |
| 23:11 | <mikah> | without the wallet |
| 23:11 | <mikah> | if you understand |
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| --- | Log | closed Mon Dec 26 00:00:20 2011 |
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