| --- | Log | opened Sat Nov 19 00:00:53 2011 |
| --- | Day | changed Sat Nov 19 2011 |
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| 00:11 | <Guest17557> | hey, anyone's got experience with virtualBox? |
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| 00:12 | <Guest17557> | i guess that's a no. |
| 00:14 | <sney> | !anyone |
| 00:14 | <dpkg> | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 00:18 | <black_brasilia> | sney, speech |
| 00:23 | <black_brasilia> | helps me with the debian |
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| 00:24 | <sney> | !br |
| 00:24 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:29 | <barkustis> | hi |
| 00:30 | <barkustis> | anyone here |
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| 01:39 | <barkustis> | hi |
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| 02:46 | <mctipsy> | If I'm installing Debian for the first time beside Windows7, will I be able to partition for a swap and a linux partition without affecting windows7? |
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| 03:01 | <amitz> | you can but there are caveats to pay attention to, at least for previous version of windows. |
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| 03:03 | <amitz> | keep windows7 as your first partition (the simple version), is one of them. |
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| 04:00 | <victo> | are there any Chinese |
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| 04:02 | <mbr> | !ch |
| 04:02 | <dpkg> | hmm... ch is Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: http://debian.ch/ which lives in #debian.ch . See also #linux.ch on Freenode. |
| 04:02 | <mbr> | aww |
| 04:02 | <mbr> | xD |
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| 04:07 | <mbr> | !zh |
| 04:07 | <dpkg> | hmm... zh is Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/server irc.oftc.net" he "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo! |
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| 04:48 | <saetta> | ciao a tutti |
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| 05:00 | <project2501a> | if someone has worked with dancer's shell, can you please tell me if there is a way to pass the -tt option to ssh? i need to spawn multiple sessions to apt-get dist-upgrade my cluster, and some of the packages require that you have a tty |
| 05:01 | <project2501a> | there is no documentation up on dancer's website or on the internets, that i have found. and try i did :( |
| 05:01 | <confrey> | hi everybody |
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| 05:04 | <project2501a> | never mind. got it. vi /etc/dsh/dsh.conf edit remoteshellopt and add =-tt |
| 05:07 | <project2501a> | so can i specify to apt-get -y --download dist-upgrade and all it will do is download the packages? |
| 05:07 | <project2501a> | yup |
| 05:07 | <benjr> | a while ago someone told me a bot command to find out if the new version of nvidia 3d drivers had been backported, but i forgot what the command was, could someone please tell me again |
| 05:07 | <project2501a> | spiffy |
| 05:07 | <project2501a> | debian, i love you |
| 05:08 | <project2501a> | if you were a woman, i would ask you to marry me. |
| 05:08 | <project2501a> | sans abrotman |
| 05:10 | <project2501a> | oh, nice! dsh passes back the exit status of the command you executed in the remote host. i wonder if it can do that on a per host basis. |
| 05:11 | <confrey> | I find CONFIG_VGA_SWITCHEROO=y in kernel config, but in /sys/kernel/debug there isn't the vgaswitcheroo voice, it's all, what can I do? |
| 05:12 | <cthuluh> | benjr: /msg judd ,version your-package, perhaps ? |
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| 05:13 | <benjr> | cthuluh, ah that looks familiar, i think it was judd |
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| 05:21 | <benjr> | cthuluh, im not getting a response, how do i phrase it for the bot? |
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| 05:30 | <benjr> | !judd 280.13 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 05:30 | <dpkg> | benjr, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 05:30 | <benjr> | >.> |
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| 05:30 | <theocrite> | Ah ah. Nice one. |
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| 05:55 | <grummund> | !armel |
| 05:55 | <dpkg> | armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with <lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 06:07 | <grummund> | !armhf |
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| 06:53 | <weenier> | hey im looking for a good cli ftp program for debian that can upload recursivee directlry strucutes and only upload newer files.. anyone got any suggestions? |
| 06:55 | <perojok> | hi, what channal is devoted to SQL? |
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| 06:56 | <weenier> | i tried lftp but it doesnt work correctly with my server |
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| 07:02 | <devil> | weenier: filezilla should be able to do all that |
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| 07:07 | <weenier> | hi devil - is it cli? |
| 07:07 | <weenier> | looks like its gui |
| 07:07 | <devil> | oh, sorry :) |
| 07:07 | <weenier> | i dont have x installed |
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| 07:08 | <devil> | not sure, it has a cli mode |
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| 07:09 | <devil> | it does: wiki.filezilla-project.org/Command-line_arguments_(Client) |
| 07:10 | <weenier> | cool thanks devil |
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| 08:06 | <bjb> | how do you use reportbug to report a bug with a linux kernel source package (eg, linux-2.6_2.6.32-34squeeze1)? reportbug says I don't have it installed |
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| 08:07 | <mib_7wz3zq> | after hibernating and rebooting, my fully encrypted hard disk is not accepting the password.anyway to fix that? |
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| 08:09 | <bjb> | I'm going to report against linux-source-2.6.32 |
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| 08:10 | <bjb> | what?!? Unable to connect to Debian BTS; continue [y|N|?]? |
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| 08:12 | <bjb> | the web interface seems to work but not the reportbug one. |
| 08:13 | <project2501a> | hang the sysadmins! |
| 08:14 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 490] by debhelper |
| 08:14 | * | ompaul starts with project2501a |
| 08:14 | <bjb> | or at least fix the problem ... |
| 08:14 | <bjb> | argh |
| 08:14 | <bjb> | I'm never going to get to the xen stuff |
| 08:14 | <bjb> | well off to start the fruitcake then, if this won't work |
| 08:14 | <ompaul> | have fun |
| 08:15 | * | ompaul wonders what a fruitcake is |
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| 08:15 | <ompaul> | and if xen why not kvm |
| 08:16 | <devil> | bjb: ever tried reportbug-ng? |
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| 08:30 | <rss> | afk |
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| 08:30 | <ompaul> | rss: all 475 of us hope you have a nice time afk ;-) |
| 08:31 | <XeonBloomfield> | Hello |
| 08:31 | <XeonBloomfield> | How to set chmod which is shown as "drwx--S---" in ls -l? |
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| 08:39 | <rss> | back from away |
| 08:39 | <heikkila> | finally! |
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| 08:47 | <hoshi411> | anyone know of a gui application that can configure grub? |
| 08:47 | <hoshi411> | or grub2? |
| 08:47 | <NIN> | XeonBloomfield: try: chmod u=rwx [dir] ; chmod g=S [dir] ; chmod o=--- [dir] |
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| 08:52 | <devil> | hoshi411: there is onefor kde, fotgot its name. but you really do not want that |
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| 08:54 | <hoshi411> | devil: yes I see the one for kde |
| 08:54 | <hoshi411> | kde-grub-config i think is the name |
| 08:55 | <hoshi411> | I just did a resintall of grub and it looks like it runs a setup utility for me... |
| 08:55 | <hoshi411> | wish I had the ability to run that setup utility any time I wanted without having to resinstall grub |
| 08:55 | <hoshi411> | anyways |
| 08:55 | <hoshi411> | I think I got grub reset right now... I hope.... |
| 08:55 | <hoshi411> | brbr |
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| 09:02 | <poor-fool> | hello, I've made a horrible mistake and by misspelling rm command from root account deleted my /usr/lib. can you help me to recover it ? T_T right now I'm on live cd and trying to use ext3grep |
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| 09:03 | <ompaul> | poor-fool: we can't help your /usr/lib unless the version is the same |
| 09:03 | <ompaul> | and even then programs would pull in their own libs |
| 09:03 | <poor-fool> | I use Squeeze if it is the thing you mean |
| 09:03 | <ompaul> | so tbh backup your data using rsync and start again |
| 09:04 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 484] by debhelper |
| 09:04 | <poor-fool> | oh yeah I know but maybe you can help me with recovering files from my own partition, right? |
| 09:04 | <poor-fool> | can I paste to you ext3grep output? |
| 09:04 | <ompaul> | you can try RIP (recovery is possible) but .. |
| 09:04 | <ompaul> | you can use paste.debian.net |
| 09:05 | <poor-fool> | in fact I wanted to use pastebin.com ;p |
| 09:05 | <ompaul> | why you like people to use it's randoms captchas |
| 09:06 | <poor-fool> | http://paste.debian.net/146261/ |
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| 09:06 | <poor-fool> | I used some another pastebin last time but now I can't remember, it was in my bookmarks on damaged system |
| 09:07 | <poor-fool> | so pastebin.com was first one I thinked about |
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| 09:09 | <ompaul> | looking at that it makes strong suggestions about running ls --block inode-number |
| 09:09 | <ompaul> | and you do this and what happens? |
| 09:09 | <ompaul> | again pastebin |
| 09:09 | <poor-fool> | didn't yet, gonna do it now |
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| 09:09 | <abrotman> | poor-fool: you'd have to likely reinstall packages |
| 09:10 | <ompaul> | poor-fool: and lots of them - clean install much faster |
| 09:10 | <ompaul> | effort for reward |
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| 09:11 | <poor-fool> | abrotman: yep I thought about it however I thought that in 2011 we can use some smart method to recover files from ext3 |
| 09:11 | <abrotman> | okay .. have fun |
| 09:11 | <poor-fool> | ... thanks... |
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| 09:12 | <poor-fool> | the problem is that I had large amount of packages installed including these from backports or .debs not from repos, also few programs installed via compilation |
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| 09:16 | <ompaul> | poor-fool: so grab the /var/log/dpkg file grab ls -l from /usr/local/bin and wherever else you store stuff, and in the future make two things, one is backups, two is if you do altered systems keep your own log somewhere that you back up |
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| 09:16 | <poor-fool> | yeah, I know... thanks... |
| 09:17 | <ompaul> | poor-fool: well if I'm adding nothing to your experience, I guess you have enough info to sort out the issue. It's a pain, but you are very unlikely to do it again. |
| 09:17 | <poor-fool> | for sure |
| 09:18 | <poor-fool> | it is seriously a pain because I spend months to customise it in my way |
| 09:18 | <ompaul> | good luck with your work, I guess you'll be done in a couple of hours btw grab your fdisk -l info now and think about if your happy with the breaks |
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| 09:19 | <poor-fool> | thanks... |
| 09:19 | <poor-fool> | I would use backups if I had a place to place files heh |
| 09:21 | <ompaul> | poor-fool: read the tao of backups it might not be a gnu/linux system but it will at least suggest to you why a 250 dollar machine with a huge disk in it you turn on once every month is useufl |
| 09:21 | <ompaul> | rsync is your friend |
| 09:21 | <poor-fool> | 250 dollars could be a problem to me |
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| 09:22 | <ompaul> | well then a bit of work is needed eh? cut grass for a few weeks or offer to clean gardens or something |
| 09:23 | <ompaul> | that's offtopic I guess also so I'll stop now |
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| 09:25 | <poor-fool> | can you help me with listing all of my system packages? |
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| 09:27 | <ompaul> | I did already |
| 09:28 | <ompaul> | 14:16:23] <ompaul> poor-fool: so grab the /var/log/dpkg file grab ls -l from /usr/local/bin and wherever else you store stuff, and in the future make two things, one is backups, two is if you do altered systems keep your own log somewhere that you back up |
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| 09:28 | <poor-fool> | and it is enough? |
| 09:28 | <poor-fool> | I noticed. |
| 09:28 | <ompaul> | nothing like having my hands on the box, and you altered it from standard so you tell me - where did you store the binaries you downloaded to put onto it |
| 09:29 | <ompaul> | what's sitting in var/cache/apt/archives (ls -al) |
| 09:29 | <poor-fool> | k, thank you very much |
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| 09:49 | <DATAsrc> | buenos dias |
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| 09:55 | <DATAsrc> | #mexico |
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| 10:07 | <damiano> | hi |
| 10:07 | <damiano> | http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 10:08 | <damiano> | why it doesn't say anything there? |
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| 10:08 | <damiano> | i need size and stuff.. |
| 10:08 | <gigi> | hello there |
| 10:09 | <gigi> | sorry but i am new to linux |
| 10:09 | <gigi> | want to learn |
| 10:09 | <gigi> | make friends...the usual stuff |
| 10:09 | <damiano> | :) |
| 10:09 | <damiano> | where are you from? |
| 10:10 | <gigi> | romania |
| 10:10 | <damiano> | alright |
| 10:10 | <gigi> | i can imagine the laugh but i just want to learn |
| 10:10 | <Theta> | hey guys |
| 10:10 | <damiano> | it's alright, you're not the only one |
| 10:10 | <Theta> | I have an apache question. |
| 10:11 | <damiano> | even i'm learning, but i have two weeks of experience ;) |
| 10:11 | <damiano> | but still i don't know much more than you. |
| 10:11 | <damiano> | you may ask me something if you want. Maybe i could help you out. |
| 10:11 | <gigi> | enter on private.... |
| 10:11 | <Theta> | If I have a line for my NameVirtualHost with my IP on 80 in my apache2.conf and I have that at the top of my sites conf in the site-enabled directory that says that same IP is that what I need to change IP? |
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| 10:12 | <Theta> | I'm trying to give one of my vhosts a dedicated IP. |
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| 10:21 | <vomver> | What's the best option to install the ATI Drivers? |
| 10:22 | <vomver> | I'm now using testing with GDM3 and I have a laptop with 5470 HD graphics. |
| 10:22 | <ompaul> | !tell vomver about ati |
| 10:22 | <ompaul> | vomver: check out the message you got from dpkg |
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| 10:39 | <damiano> | another question: why there are no sounds in Xchat? |
| 10:39 | <damiano> | how do i fix it? |
| 10:41 | <abrotman> | you want sounds? |
| 10:41 | <Torsten_W> | install music123 and put this tool as external player in the config |
| 10:42 | <damiano> | yep |
| 10:42 | <damiano> | ok, thanks. |
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| 10:48 | <damiano> | hm |
| 10:48 | <damiano> | /home/damiano/.xchat2/sounds does not exist |
| 10:48 | <damiano> | and hence there are no files? |
| 10:48 | <damiano> | i mean it doesn't play anything, cause there's nothing to play |
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| 10:59 | <Brandon_> | Hey: Does anyone chrooted ssh or sftp users ? |
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| 11:01 | <damiano> | i just had to install sound pack |
| 11:01 | <damiano> | internal player works well too |
| 11:01 | <damiano> | write me a personal message |
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| 11:07 | <An0n> | damiano, you want a pm? |
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| 11:09 | <damiano> | An0n, no, thanks, it works |
| 11:09 | <An0n> | damiano: okay. |
| 11:09 | <damiano> | it works for highlight too |
| 11:09 | <damiano> | so no need :) |
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| 11:10 | <An0n> | :) |
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| 11:18 | <damiano> | so.. is there anyone to tell me why i see no size, no type in Nautilus for my devices? |
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| 11:36 | <Theta> | hey guys |
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| 11:38 | <Theta> | I have a question about bind9. So basically I have a bunch of different IPs on my system which I use for nameservers. Will it work as long as the IP point to the same system? Or do I need to configure my IPs for bind? |
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| 11:51 | <ray> | hello |
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| 11:52 | <ray> | 有使用 debian 6.0.3的朋友吗？使用lxde桌面 |
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| 11:53 | <abrotman> | ray: we speak english here .. if you want uh .. Chinese, try #debian-zh i think |
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| 11:56 | <damiano> | hm... weird... one i created a launcher on a desktop for winapp, and i used an icon for it from the web.. it was normal, but now it has white background (not transparent). Why? |
| 11:56 | <iCEmAN_CZ> | 6c6c6c6c6c6c6c6c6c |
| 11:56 | <damiano> | it's the same icon. |
| 11:56 | <damiano> | it's just that desktop's mode has changed i think. |
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| 11:57 | <damiano> | png format. |
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| 12:19 | <damiano> | why Nautilus doesn't show size, type and such? |
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| 12:21 | <asdfaerg> | damiano: View->Visible Columns |
| 12:21 | <damiano> | nah.. it's ON |
| 12:21 | <damiano> | that's the thing |
| 12:21 | <damiano> | but it says this: |
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| 12:22 | <damiano> | http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
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| 12:23 | <heikkila> | damiano, I guess because none of those are mounted |
| 12:23 | <damiano> | they are. |
| 12:23 | <damiano> | it doesn't matter. |
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| 12:23 | <asdfaerg> | It is the same for me |
| 12:23 | <damiano> | hm.... |
| 12:24 | <asdfaerg> | I guess it's because they're not files? |
| 12:24 | <asdfaerg> | so they wouldn't have a file type |
| 12:24 | <damiano> | hm... could be. But that's awkward. |
| 12:24 | <damiano> | how do i see size and everything at once? |
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| 12:36 | <damiano> | http://www.informaticamica.com/images/stories/darmusol/png/hfs_icon.png |
| 12:36 | <damiano> | could you please create a launcher on your desktop using this icon? |
| 12:36 | <damiano> | it WAS transparent before, but now it has white background! |
| 12:37 | <damiano> | i wanna know if everyone else gets the same thing now |
| 12:37 | <asdfaerg> | it's white for me straight off |
| 12:37 | <damiano> | hmm... |
| 12:37 | <damiano> | you did it on your desktop? |
| 12:38 | <asdfaerg> | yes |
| 12:38 | <damiano> | hmmm |
| 12:38 | <damiano> | thanks... |
| 12:38 | <damiano> | but it WAS transparent, damn.. |
| 12:38 | <asdfaerg> | did you make it yourself? |
| 12:38 | <damiano> | how can it be possible... |
| 12:38 | <damiano> | no |
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| 12:38 | <damiano> | it's an icon i want to associate with a winapp... |
| 12:38 | <damiano> | HFS |
| 12:39 | <asdfaerg> | do you have a link to the original? |
| 12:39 | <damiano> | then... if it was transparent i probably had some app installed.... |
| 12:40 | <damiano> | no, you see.. the problem is, that linux normally doesn't recognize win icons... i mean, those that are in-built.. at least i dunno how to do it... it just shows some figure.. |
| 12:40 | <damiano> | i mean if it's .ico file then it's fine |
| 12:40 | <damiano> | but if the icon is inside the .exe then i can't take it out |
| 12:41 | <damiano> | and it is. |
| 12:41 | <damiano> | and actually, it is original HFS icon |
| 12:42 | <damiano> | but it's external |
| 12:42 | <asdfaerg> | http://tehnick-8.narod.ru/q4wine/ try that maybe |
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| 12:43 | <damiano> | ah! thanks! |
| 12:43 | <damiano> | that'll be nice. |
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| 13:12 | <borre> | hi |
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| 13:15 | <borre> | im looking for instructions to make a windows usb booteable from debian |
| 13:15 | <borre> | i try to use ddrescue |
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| 13:15 | <borre> | but the usb dont boot anithing |
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| 13:21 | <delirium> | yop |
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| 13:30 | <poisonbit> | Hello, maybe it's documented and I've read it N years ago and do not remember... |
| 13:30 | <poisonbit> | what are those, debian-update-$version-$arch-CD-$number.iso in the debian-cd mirrors? should I take that cd 1 for a fresh install instead of just debian-$version.... ? |
| 13:31 | <poisonbit> | I know the netinstall use to upgrade /target or ask in expert mode, but I didn't know about those isos |
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| 13:33 | <poisonbit> | ah, it's in the d.o/CD/faq |
| 13:33 | <poisonbit> | :) |
| 13:34 | <heikkila> | poisonbit, if you have internet connection then the netinst for your arch would probably be the preferred |
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| 13:35 | <poisonbit> | It's for a offline project that i'm looking to those isos |
| 13:35 | <poisonbit> | until now I had a offline deploy live-usb tool, and now I want to extend it |
| 13:36 | <heikkila> | ah, CD1 is sufficient for a Gnome desktop |
| 13:36 | <poisonbit> | first version was MBR + mkfs + rsync + a "slect" bash menu to backup/restore machines |
| 13:36 | <poisonbit> | now I want to make a second version with a "stage zero" deploy |
| 13:37 | <poisonbit> | preseed etc |
| 13:37 | <poisonbit> | and maybe that cd1 mounted in the live system and in localhost:80/debian |
| 13:38 | <poisonbit> | it's a 2TB usb with a live + persistent partition... very fun and recommendable |
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| 13:39 | <cyrusnk> | Hi |
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| 13:41 | <cyrusnk> | How can i setupt my internet connection on a fresh debian squeeze install without internet access, i have only the DVD. I want to be able to use iwconfig and to install the ralink 2070 firmware. Thank you! |
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| 13:47 | <jhutchins_lt> | !ralink |
| 13:47 | <dpkg> | Ralink Technology Corp. is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for many Ralink chipsets are present in mainline Linux kernels, ask me about <rt2x00>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rt2800>. |
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| 13:50 | <cyrusnk> | jhutchins, i know what drivers i need. Without the drivers i can't get the connection? Is it possible to setup a wireless connection with only the Debian dvd? |
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| 13:55 | <heikkila> | poisonbit, sorry, not my area |
| 13:56 | <poisonbit> | don't worry. Whats your area? :) |
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| 13:56 | <heikkila> | Oh, I prefer netboot with pxe :) |
| 13:56 | <poisonbit> | it's in my home network to-do |
| 13:56 | <poisonbit> | that and iscsi or aoe instead of nfs |
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| 13:57 | <Furtchet> | Hello all. I'm doing a presentation on Debian for my undergrad OS class, and I was wondering where to find this kind of information: Identify and describe the policies of a) Process Scheduling, b) Memory Management, and c) Secondary Storage Management. |
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| 13:58 | <poisonbit> | Furtchet, maybe the linux-doc-2.6-$arch package have some info |
| 13:58 | <Furtchet> | thx |
| 13:58 | <jhutchins_lt> | No, you can not get a network connection unless the drivers for your network adapter are loaded. |
| 13:58 | <poisonbit> | also user space apps for such things, use to have man pages and /usr/share/doc/app |
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| 14:02 | <LAtpt> | okay, i may be just another plea for help in here, but bare with me. |
| 14:03 | <LAtpt> | i've been having issues installing debian with the netinst disk. i don't know how to set up a "default route" for the dchp server. |
| 14:03 | <LAtpt> | i'm not too familiar with networking, where should i start? |
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| 14:04 | <poisonbit> | fixing your dhcp ? |
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| 14:04 | <heikkila> | Furtchet, I think the "Operating systems" book by Schilberchatz and Galvin mentions it |
| 14:04 | <poisonbit> | I mean... if you're using dhcp, no config should be needed |
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| 14:04 | <ompaul> | unless you are not using debian |
| 14:05 | <LAtpt> | poisonbit: okay, here's the dialog screen that i'm getting. |
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| 14:07 | <LAtpt> | poisonbit: "the network autoconfiguration was successful. however, no default route was set: the system does not know how to communicate with hosts on the internet. this will make it impossible to continue with the installation unless you have the first installation cd-rom, a netisnt cd-rom, or packages available on the local network" |
| 14:07 | <poisonbit> | LAtpt, the "ip" command is your friend for networking but in the installer maybe it's not available... such case see if there is a "route" command... you can jump to tty2 and see routes |
| 14:07 | <poisonbit> | lol |
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| 14:07 | <poisonbit> | yo are on irc, so your network is supposed to reach it |
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| 14:07 | <LAtpt> | exactly. lol |
| 14:07 | <ompaul> | you are on a broken network |
| 14:08 | <poisonbit> | see what "route" says in tty2, arp -an |
| 14:08 | <poisonbit> | tty4 for installer errors... |
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| 14:09 | <LAtpt> | k |
| 14:09 | <poisonbit> | but do not write it line by line here ;) use http://paste.debian.net (the resulting url :) |
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| 14:10 | <LAtpt> | haha, my bad. i'm new to this channel (obviously) |
| 14:10 | * | poisonbit too |
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| 14:11 | <poisonbit> | but I have an old love/hate debian relationship |
| 14:11 | <Furtchet> | @heikkila thanks, I will check it out |
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| 14:13 | <LAtpt> | http://paste.debian.net/146303/ |
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| 14:13 | <LAtpt> | that's what i get when i use route |
| 14:14 | <poisonbit> | thats a weird dhcp assignment |
| 14:15 | <LAtpt> | i wouldn't know |
| 14:16 | <poisonbit> | you can use route add to continue the install |
| 14:16 | <poisonbit> | but maybe you lack dns servers too |
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| 14:17 | <LAtpt> | i installed a base system before this thinking it wouldn't be that big of a deal |
| 14:17 | <LAtpt> | but it didn't come with a gui, and it's been a while since i've farted around on a command line |
| 14:18 | <poisonbit> | what is your gateway? 192.168.0.1? route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:18 | <poisonbit> | but if you get interested by networking, look at the "ip" command, "route" is "old school" in linux |
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| 14:20 | <LAtpt> | i'll try that |
| 14:21 | <ompaul> | LAtpt: the dhcp services on that lan are missing several items, therefore is it a special lan? I ask only that you can think perhaps of addressing whoever set it up to sort it. |
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| 14:22 | <LAtpt> | what blows my mind is that any other distro pucks up the internet |
| 14:22 | <LAtpt> | picks* |
| 14:22 | <LAtpt> | except for debian |
| 14:23 | <ompaul> | LAtpt: if the handling of dhcp was broken on Debian, this channel would be full of people screaming about it. |
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| 14:25 | <poisonbit> | you can try to go back in the debian-installer, and retry the dhcp assignment etc |
| 14:25 | <black_brasilia> | I am of Brasilia Brazil, someone can help me with the Debian 6 |
| 14:26 | <amphi> | !br |
| 14:26 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:27 | <heikkila> | black_brasilia, just ask (but here it has to be in English) |
| 14:27 | <LotR> | black_brasilia: you'd have to explain what the problem is you're having :) |
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| 14:28 | <poisonbit> | maybe was just asserting :) |
| 14:31 | <black_brasilia> | lotR, every time I restart the Debian 6 the archive and altered |
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| 14:32 | <LAtpt> | hm. |
| 14:32 | <LotR> | black_brasilia: maybe you're better off going to #debian-br like amphi suggested :) that sentence made no sense to me |
| 14:32 | <LAtpt> | i manually configured the network off of this computers settings |
| 14:32 | <damiano> | question |
| 14:32 | <LAtpt> | except changed up the ip |
| 14:32 | <LAtpt> | let's see how this works |
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| 14:34 | <__Alex_> | Does anyone have experience with USB TV Cards? |
| 14:34 | <damiano> | i've created a launcher on the desktop, assigned the name of the file which lies in home folder. When i attempt to access it from the desktop it says "there was an error launching the application, failed to execute child process /home/damiano/hfs.exe" (Permission denied)" |
| 14:34 | <damiano> | why? |
| 14:34 | <devil> | __Alex_: dvb? |
| 14:34 | <__Alex_> | Yes |
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| 14:35 | <devil> | __Alex_: many people worldwide have experience with that |
| 14:35 | <poisonbit> | damiano, maybe your launcher needs "wine " before the exe ? |
| 14:35 | <__Alex_> | I can't seem to get mine to work. |
| 14:35 | <damiano> | poisonbit, yes, it's a winapp |
| 14:35 | <devil> | __Alex_: mine works |
| 14:36 | <damiano> | poisonbit, but i have wine... |
| 14:36 | <devil> | __Alex_: What is your question? |
| 14:36 | <poisonbit> | the same launcher command works in command line with the same X user ? |
| 14:36 | <__Alex_> | How can i get one to work? |
| 14:36 | <__Alex_> | What packages do i need? |
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| 14:36 | <devil> | __Alex_: cmon, you can do better than that |
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| 14:37 | <black_brasilia> | lotR, thank you |
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| 14:37 | <mirabilos> | any s390 (or s390x) porters around? (/msg me) |
| 14:37 | <black_brasilia> | lotR, I can try to re-question |
| 14:38 | <Furtchet> | Hello all. I'm doing a presentation on Debian for my undergrad OS class, and I was wondering where to find this kind of information: Identify and describe the policies of a) Process Scheduling, b) Memory Management, and c) Secondary Storage Management. |
| 14:38 | <damiano> | poisonbit, i dunno.. how do i check? |
| 14:39 | <__Alex_> | I have a Asus USB Digital TV stick, and i can't seem to find a way to get it to work. It is wery badly documentated, and i can't seem to find a way to get it to work. Google dodn't solve my problem |
| 14:39 | <asdfaerg> | damiano: do "wine /home/damiano/hfs.exe" |
| 14:39 | <damiano> | thanks |
| 14:39 | <devil> | __Alex_: we need the usb-id of the device |
| 14:39 | <poisonbit> | damiano, copy the launcher "wine /path/to/the/exe.exe" to a xterm and see |
| 14:39 | <LAtpt> | nope, didn't work. |
| 14:39 | <damiano> | poisonbit, yeah, thanks, i got it.. i just thought it should recognize it without it... |
| 14:39 | <LotR> | black_brasilia: sure, but don't address me, just ask in general |
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| 14:40 | <damiano> | or maybe i used app itself earlier.. i mean i moved it to desktop and that's why it worked |
| 14:40 | <__Alex_> | devil: How do i find that out? |
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| 14:40 | <damiano> | poisonbit, that's not specified in the launcher actually |
| 14:40 | <devil> | __Alex_: lsusb -vv | grep -i asus |
| 14:41 | <poisonbit> | damiano, try to add, .exe fortunately is not a linux executable format |
| 14:41 | <damiano> | yes, it works. THank you. |
| 14:41 | <__Alex_> | 0b05:1779 |
| 14:41 | <damiano> | i thought it'd call Wine automatically seeing that it's an exe file. That's why. |
| 14:41 | <damiano> | but now i know. |
| 14:42 | <devil> | __Alex_: mow, you google thatid together with debian |
| 14:42 | <devil> | that id |
| 14:42 | <asdfaerg> | damiano: right click on the exe, Properties, Open With, select Wine |
| 14:42 | <asdfaerg> | that will work for sure if you doubleclick the icon |
| 14:43 | <damiano> | asdfaerg, that way it works, but not for launcher |
| 14:43 | <asdfaerg> | im not sure if it will work without specifiying "wine" in the terminal but you can try |
| 14:43 | <black_brasilia> | the resolv.conf file is changed when you start Debian 6 |
| 14:43 | <damiano> | asdfaerg, i didn't specify it in launcher and it doesn't call Wine. |
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| 14:43 | <asdfaerg> | oh |
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| 14:44 | <devil> | black_brasilia: thatswhat the file says on top! |
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| 14:45 | <devil> | black_brasilia: use resolvconf |
| 14:46 | <mirabilos> | @s390: http://nopaste.snit.ch/96165 |
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| 14:47 | <black_brasilia> | devil, how to use the resolveconf |
| 14:48 | <devil> | black_brasilia: install it, read manpage |
| 14:48 | <devil> | black_brasilia: how are you managing your networks? |
| 14:49 | <damiano> | another thing. |
| 14:49 | <damiano> | i have an app (win32) that uses cyrillic UTF-8 codepage and it doesn't display correctly. How do i change this without changing the locale? |
| 14:50 | <damiano> | cause when i did it it changed the language of the system for me |
| 14:50 | <damiano> | though the app work correctly |
| 14:50 | <poisonbit> | LANG=BLABLABLA cmd |
| 14:50 | <damiano> | hm... |
| 14:50 | <poisonbit> | that changes it only for cmd |
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| 14:50 | <damiano> | hm... |
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| 14:51 | <devil> | damiano: do you have any questions that are not windows-related? in the end this is linux, not a substitute for windows |
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| 14:51 | <damiano> | i understand, but it's not about windows, it's about coding |
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| 14:51 | <black_brasilia> | how are you managing your networks? |
| 14:52 | <devil> | black_brasilia: me? more less manualy. and you? |
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| 14:52 | <devil> | black_brasilia: what tool do you use? |
| 14:52 | <damiano> | devil, for me it's a potential substitute for windows nevertheless, but i need just a couple of winapps, i can't use anything else instead. For example, could you recommend any good rus/eng dictionary to me? I guess not. |
| 14:52 | <damiano> | give me linux dictionary please |
| 14:52 | <damiano> | startdict? Doesn't wokr. |
| 14:52 | <damiano> | anything else? |
| 14:53 | <zsolt> | ho there!I'd like to broadcast my screen,as a device |
| 14:53 | <devil> | damiano: i donot know, becauseidont need it. but i bet you, there is! |
| 14:53 | <damiano> | devil, that's what i thought too, but... i can't find it. |
| 14:53 | <zsolt> | tryed vlc,but it would be better to broadcast via skype |
| 14:53 | <devil> | damiano: why not ask in #debian-ru? someone might know |
| 14:54 | <damiano> | ok, thanks. |
| 14:54 | <zsolt> | in vlc I can use screen:// as video device |
| 14:54 | <damiano> | hm.. there's only a few people |
| 14:54 | <damiano> | like only 4 |
| 14:54 | <black_brasilia> | devil, not use network manager. make the changes manually in the files, interfaces, hostnames, etc ... |
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| 14:55 | <black_brasilia> | devil, I'm new to Debian, and IRC, sorry |
| 14:55 | <devil> | black_brasilia: then read the manpage, like i said. |
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| 14:57 | <poisonbit> | sudo make dinner |
| 14:57 | <devil> | poisonbit: dinner, like debian, does not need sudo. |
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| 14:57 | <black_brasilia> | devil, the resolveconf and a network manager, is not it? I will install and study, thanks |
| 14:58 | <devil> | black_brasilia: basicaly, knowledge is better than a network manager. |
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| 14:59 | <ml|> | black_brasilia: and/or /msg dpkg reslov.conf and override dns |
| 14:59 | <poisonbit> | devil, this makefile can't make my dinner, maybe I need a debian-arduino extension |
| 14:59 | <devil> | s/reslov/resolv |
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| 15:01 | <slarikan> | debianın türkçe kanalı varmı |
| 15:01 | <devil> | !tr |
| 15:01 | <dpkg> | i guess tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 15:02 | <slarikan> | 22:02] [Hata] #debian.tr: Böyle bir kanal yok. |
| 15:03 | <black_brasilia> | ml|, I change the DNS, but on startup the Debian changes |
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| 15:04 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 488] by debhelper |
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| 15:06 | <devil> | black_brasilia: the top line in resolv.conf goes like: # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
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| 15:07 | <black_brasilia> | devil, thanks, I try to use resolvconf |
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| 15:08 | <black_brasilia> | devil, I will not change the resolv.conf manually |
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| 15:18 | <jhutchins> | black_brasilia: Configure dhclient to not change it. |
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| 15:19 | <bony> | I have a dell xps 15 L401x laptop. This laptop has 2 graphic cards intel and nvidia. The default installation showed the desktop and was working fine. I tried to install nvidia using module assistant. When I installed nvidia and rebooted the system I am only able to access the text terminals but no graphics. When i checked the log files of xorg i see that it was unable to find any screens it says "No devices detected". |
| 15:19 | <bony> | This is debian testing amd64 version debian |
| 15:20 | <Torsten_W> | this is optimus |
| 15:21 | <Torsten_W> | optimus is not supported in linux |
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| 15:23 | <black_brasilia> | jhutchins, where configure dhclient not located this file |
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| 15:25 | <black_brasilia> | I'm going away for about 10 min |
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| 15:28 | <ml|> | black_brasilia: /msg dpkg resolv.conf and /msg dpkg override dns |
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| 15:52 | <project2501a> | is there an easy way to say "remove all windowing managers, audio" or say "just give me the bare system with ssh" *after* you install a bunch of shite? |
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| 16:17 | <jthill> | project2501a: bounced out, sorry if dup answer, but you can read the apt logs if you use apt-get. /var/log/apt/history.log looks real good for this, |
| 16:17 | <project2501a> | yeah? |
| 16:17 | <project2501a> | will take a look |
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| 16:18 | <project2501a> | maybe apt with certain tasks, even custom designed ones would be nice. |
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| 16:21 | <ompaul> | project2501a someone asked the same question in #d on freenode |
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| 16:22 | <project2501a> | ompaul: i bounced out, mate :( |
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| 16:22 | <ompaul> | ooch |
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| 16:23 | <ompaul> | project2501a: either uninstall gnome |
| 16:23 | <ompaul> | or |
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| 16:24 | <ompaul> | project2501a: install a base system use netinstall and choose ssh only |
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| 16:25 | <ml|> | ^ was about to say :) |
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| 16:31 | <abrotman> | project2501a: aptitude remove '~poptional' is a good start |
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| 16:31 | <project2501a> | abrotman: that will take away ssh, as well |
| 16:32 | <project2501a> | as openssh-server is tagged optional |
| 16:32 | <ompaul> | so if there is an ssh session in play and screen |
| 16:32 | <ompaul> | and screen is running |
| 16:33 | <ompaul> | and openssh |
| 16:33 | <abrotman> | project2501a: aptitude remove '~poptional' openssh-server+ ? |
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| 17:09 | <grummund> | Anyone know offhand if USB-to-USB networking is possible with Debian/Linux? |
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| 17:10 | <grummund> | that is, between machines. |
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| 17:12 | <utilisateur> | http://www.petitiononline.com/abrotman/petition.html |
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| 17:14 | <nevyn> | grummund: AIUI usb <-> usb networking requires an active cable. |
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| 17:15 | <grummund> | nevyn: yep i get that, but is it supported in Linux? |
| 17:15 | <thorgrin> | grummund: http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/index.html |
| 17:16 | <ompaul> | !ops utilisateur is being a total troll and cross networks as well |
| 17:16 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: utilisateur is being a total troll and cross networks as well |
| 17:17 | <grummund> | thorgrin: thanks |
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| 17:17 | <utilisateur> | bye |
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| 17:17 | <thorgrin> | grummund: all new kernels support this feature |
| 17:17 | <grummund> | so this is well supported in Debian stock kernel? |
| 17:18 | <nevyn> | grummund: so the question is why do you want this? |
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| 17:19 | <grummund> | hmm, to bridge two ARM processors |
| 17:20 | <nevyn> | SOC's that don't have ethernet? |
| 17:20 | <grummund> | yes, probably... i'm just at the info gathering stage |
| 17:20 | <nevyn> | I'd still use two usb ethernet cards and a cat5/6 cable |
| 17:23 | <grummund> | /lib/modules/.../kernel/drivers/net/usb/usbnet.ko |
| 17:23 | <grummund> | so i guess that is "yes", for intel at least |
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| 17:25 | <zero_> | hey, is there a way to redirect standard output to multiple files? |
| 17:25 | <heikkila> | zero_, with tee |
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| 17:26 | <zero_> | heikkila: thanks! |
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| 17:26 | <heikkila> | np |
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| 17:28 | <grummund> | so, anyone here running stock Debian (as opposed to Emdebian) on an embedded ARM system? |
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| 17:31 | <thorgrin> | grummund: you can always download the installation image and check kernel config file for the CONFIG_USB_USBNET option |
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| 17:31 | <grummund> | thorgrin: oh, thanks for that. |
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| 17:32 | <thorgrin> | grummund: also you can join #debian-arm and try asking there ;-) |
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| 17:33 | <grummund> | yeah, i'm idling there... but they are all asleep for days and i didn't want to wake them :P |
| 17:33 | <thorgrin> | ;D |
| 17:34 | <grummund> | it was more a question whether USB-USB was supported in Linux but i think you answered that, thanks. |
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| 18:22 | <hoshi411> | can anyone tell me what debian uses as the graphic package manager for the kde spin of debian? |
| 18:22 | <hoshi411> | synaptic is to gnome as ___________ is to debian-kde |
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| 18:24 | <chealer> | hoshi411: nothing official. I would say Synaptic |
| 18:25 | <hoshi411> | chealer: hmm then is there a qt based one that you know of? |
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| 18:27 | <chealer> | hoshi411: adept is in unstable, but that's really beta software |
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| 18:29 | <hoshi411> | wow O_o |
| 18:29 | <hoshi411> | chealer: thank you |
| 18:29 | <abrotman> | hoshi411: aptitude-gtk |
| 18:29 | <hoshi411> | that is surprising |
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| 18:30 | <Nemoder_> | If I'm running a program in a screen session that grabs character input how do I issue commands to screen to detach it? |
| 18:30 | <abrotman> | if want something maybe lighter and less gnome-y than synaptic |
| 18:30 | <abrotman> | Nemoder_: ctrl-a,d doens't work ? |
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| 18:31 | <Nemoder_> | abrotman: no :( |
| 18:31 | <abrotman> | Nemoder_: is your screen running inside an xterm ? |
| 18:31 | <Nemoder_> | yes |
| 18:31 | <abrotman> | close the xterm |
| 18:31 | <Nemoder_> | too easy |
| 18:31 | <Nemoder_> | :) |
| 18:31 | <abrotman> | sorry |
| 18:31 | <Nemoder_> | heh thanks, i was afraid it might kill it somehow |
| 18:32 | <abrotman> | the screen is on a remote system over ssh ? |
| 18:32 | <hoshi411> | it would be great to get yast or like the one the big kde distros use like fedora or opensuse ported to debian |
| 18:32 | <abrotman> | Nemoder_: also, FWIW .. man screen .. see -d .. you can disconnect another screen session if you know its ID |
| 18:32 | <hoshi411> | i know those are rpm but |
| 18:33 | <abrotman> | hoshi411: eh .. yast is yucky |
| 18:33 | <Nemoder_> | ah k |
| 18:33 | <hoshi411> | abrotman: better than nothing ? |
| 18:33 | <abrotman> | uhm .. you have far more than nothing |
| 18:33 | <abrotman> | also .. |
| 18:33 | <hoshi411> | I didn't like yast myself but what is the one fedora uses |
| 18:33 | <abrotman> | !yast |
| 18:33 | <dpkg> | hmm... yast is Yet Another Stupid package Tool :), or http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:33 | <hoshi411> | yum right |
| 18:33 | <abrotman> | but yast makes a mess .. better to learn how to do things correctly |
| 18:33 | <hoshi411> | the yellow dog one |
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| 18:54 | <jillsmitt> | how can i remove rhythmbox without removing gnome? |
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| 19:00 | <abrotman> | !unmarkauto |
| 19:00 | <dpkg> | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
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| 19:01 | <miso> | debian is the best! |
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| 19:07 | <ninefingers> | does anyone know how to use a smart card with luks? |
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| 19:09 | <jillsmitt> | miso yes |
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| 19:13 | <jillsmitt> | does not work, it wants to remove gnome http://paste.org/41098 |
| 19:14 | <jillsmitt> | before gnome i unmark rhythmbox |
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| 19:52 | <Nothingman> | Hello! |
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| 19:53 | <Nothingman> | Does anyone here has pulseaudio + iceweasel 8 in squeeze with sound working with flashplugin-nonfree??? |
| 19:53 | <tensorpudding> | iceweasel 8? squeeze has 3.5... |
| 19:54 | <Nothingman> | I know... how can I check the repository from were I installed it? maybe marillat or backports??? |
| 19:54 | <devil> | Nothingman: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 19:54 | <tensorpudding> | i would think you'd know what repo you used to install it |
| 19:55 | <damiano> | can anyone tell me why my Root Terminal runs like two times?.. |
| 19:55 | <devil> | Nothingman: flash worksin iceweaseel 8, 9, 10 (with alsa) |
| 19:55 | <dodddummy_alt> | New, recyclable plastic lets you weld pieces together with a hairdryer |
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| 19:55 | <Nothingman> | devil, thats it... I forgot |
| 19:55 | <damiano> | cause it's kinda doubled... but the other one never starts.. |
| 19:55 | <Nothingman> | mmm |
| 19:55 | <tensorpudding> | are they up to 10 now, really |
| 19:55 | <Nothingman> | It's annoying... it was working properly till 2 days ago |
| 19:55 | <devil> | tensorpudding: yes |
| 19:56 | <Nothingman> | Then no sound suddenly |
| 19:56 | <tensorpudding> | i use google-chrome |
| 19:56 | <devil> | iceweasel (10.0~a2+20111118042017-1) |
| 19:56 | <damiano> | i use Firefox 3.6. It's fine. |
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| 19:56 | <damiano> | i like new tab button. |
| 19:56 | <damiano> | that's why i stick with it |
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| 19:56 | <tensorpudding> | i played with firefox 7 briefly |
| 19:56 | <Nothingman> | does not work in chrome neither |
| 19:57 | <devil> | damiano: tab button works in 10 also :) |
| 19:57 | <Nothingman> | how can I check where the error is? |
| 19:57 | <damiano> | devil, like.. back again? |
| 19:57 | <devil> | Nothingman: your prob is pa |
| 19:57 | <Nothingman> | I don't see any error running from the commandline |
| 19:57 | <Nothingman> | but it was working before! |
| 19:57 | <Nothingman> | Well probably the best try is to uninstall it again and check with alsa |
| 19:57 | <devil> | Nothingman: things tend to work beffore they stop working |
| 19:57 | <Nothingman> | The sound in the rest of the system works great |
| 19:57 | <Nothingman> | XDDD |
| 19:58 | <tensorpudding> | maybe you have the sound output disabled |
| 19:58 | <damiano> | devil, cause in 4-8 i saw no tab button, there was only + to create one right next to the near one, but that's not what i like actually. |
| 19:58 | <tensorpudding> | did it work with old 3.5 |
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| 19:58 | <Nothingman> | Pity they don't tend to the opposite... |
| 19:58 | <damiano> | anyways.. why root terminal starts up two times... |
| 19:58 | <Nothingman> | I hear sound from music players/vlc/mplayer/skype etc |
| 19:58 | <damiano> | there are two tabs with it.. but one never runs.. |
| 19:58 | <devil> | damiano: 2 times? how is that? |
| 19:59 | <damiano> | well.. let me make you a screen |
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| 20:00 | <damiano> | http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 20:00 | <damiano> | one is active, the other one is like Starting always.. |
| 20:00 | <damiano> | and that's what happens when i just click on root terminal. |
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| 20:01 | <damiano> | down there.. "Starting root terminal" while it's actually opened. |
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| 20:04 | <damiano> | then it just dissappears. |
| 20:04 | <damiano> | like it's not there maybe.. |
| 20:05 | <devil> | i dont get the problem, but i know nothing of gnome anyways |
| 20:05 | <damiano> | hm. |
| 20:06 | <devil> | using yakuake, you need not care for starting it, its autostarted at boot |
| 20:06 | <devil> | for gnomes, that would be guake |
| 20:07 | <damiano> | hm... when i run it from F2 it's ok.. |
| 20:07 | <damiano> | from menu - doubled.. |
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| 20:09 | <damiano> | Gnome is the best thing for me so far. |
| 20:09 | <damiano> | i don't like anything else. I mean, i do... like TDE for instance ;) But their last version is glitchy, so i'm just waiting till it gets improved. |
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| 20:11 | <MJ23> | Hello, I wonder if all DE work the same with compiz, if i change DE would that fuck the compiz settings up? |
| 20:12 | <damiano> | it's for Gnome and KDE only |
| 20:12 | <damiano> | i think. |
| 20:13 | <damiano> | it wouldn't, it just wouldn't work. |
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| 20:13 | <damiano> | i mean compiz won't work. |
| 20:13 | <damiano> | just make an image of the system and experiment.. |
| 20:13 | <tensorpudding> | gnome 3 doesn't use compiz |
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| 20:15 | <MJ23> | hmm |
| 20:15 | <MJ23> | im wondering about getting xfce... it doesnt use compiz? |
| 20:15 | <MJ23> | is it something similar for xfce then? |
| 20:16 | <damiano> | it's better just to stick with one DE, and that's it. |
| 20:16 | <damiano> | just use what you have. I've learned my lesson for it. |
| 20:16 | <MJ23> | how do u mean? |
| 20:16 | <goncalo> | I've customised a preseed answer file and selected a couple of packages that I wish to be installed. It seems nis made the installation interactive, e.g it asks what nis domain to configure it to. Is there a way I can answer the interactive questions of arbitrary packages via the preseed? |
| 20:16 | <damiano> | as we sometimes say.... "better' is an enemy of "good" |
| 20:17 | <damiano> | so don't make it any better, cause in linux you might only make it worse :) |
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| 20:17 | <damiano> | unless you know how to cleanup mess after yourself. |
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| 20:17 | <Nothingman> | still no sound in flash! |
| 20:17 | <damiano> | MJ23, just remember my words.... yooooou'lll beeee soooooorrryyyy ;) |
| 20:18 | <damiano> | Nothingman, ALSA or PulseAudio? |
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| 20:18 | <aharvey> | MJ23: you certainly can use compiz with xfce |
| 20:18 | <Nothingman> | I have only ALSA |
| 20:18 | <Nothingman> | I removed all the pulseaudio packages |
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| 20:18 | <damiano> | Nothingman, well... i wouldn't be surprised that you've lost your sound for flash after installing PulseAudio and removing too. |
| 20:19 | <damiano> | Nothingman, did it happen like that? |
| 20:19 | <Nothingman> | Nooo |
| 20:19 | <damiano> | Nothingman, hm. Ok, what hardware? |
| 20:19 | <Nothingman> | I'm was using pulseaudio for months |
| 20:19 | <MJ23> | daminao really is that bad? :/ i thought xfce had much cooler graphics and more useful configurations than gnome 3 unity (using ubuntu 11.10) |
| 20:19 | <damiano> | Nothingman, Intel HDA? |
| 20:19 | <Nothingman> | always with sound in flash |
| 20:19 | <Nothingman> | kind of |
| 20:19 | <Nothingman> | integrated sound, yes |
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| 20:19 | <damiano> | Nothingman, well yeah... not surprised. I have the same. But i've solved my probs. |
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| 20:20 | <Nothingman> | how did you? My problem is that I cannot find any error msg to start with... |
| 20:20 | <damiano> | Nothingman, i dunno what prob you have there, but for me re-installing ALSA from the sources helped. That's all i can tell you. |
| 20:20 | <MJ23> | aharvey okey cool :) |
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| 20:20 | <Nothingman> | Mmm that's annoying |
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| 20:21 | <MJ23> | aharvey as i asked before, will my compiz settings be reseted after changing DE? |
| 20:21 | <damiano> | MJ23, actually XFCE is much more poor than gnome. Dunno what graphics you're talking about.. it's just a simple conservative DE, nothing more. |
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| 20:21 | <Nothingman> | Any idea about how to see log from iceweasel? |
| 20:21 | <damiano> | and Gnome 3 is crap, yes. Better to use XFCE :) |
| 20:21 | <Nothingman> | some trace/output??? |
| 20:21 | <aharvey> | MJ23: Mine did. but you back them up first |
| 20:22 | <MJ23> | damiano i think this guy had a cool interface http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSyHMDJjBlQ |
| 20:22 | <damiano> | let's see. |
| 20:22 | <MJ23> | damiano thats xfce right? |
| 20:22 | <tensorpudding> | gnome 3, much better than gnome 2 |
| 20:22 | <damiano> | Nothingman, listen, it can't tell you no logs, cause you might not getting output due to some settings, but that doesn't mean it's not working :) |
| 20:22 | <MJ23> | aharvey okey, how do i back them up? |
| 20:23 | <MJ23> | aharvey taking pictures of every settings would take a while... :S |
| 20:23 | <damiano> | MJ23, it can be anything actually. |
| 20:23 | <damiano> | MJ23, you can do the same to gnome too, yeah. |
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| 20:24 | <damiano> | MJ23, but i wouldn't say it's immediately cool :) |
| 20:24 | <aharvey> | MJ23: there is an export option in ccsm |
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| 20:24 | <MJ23> | damiano hmm gnome 3 have worthless settings options gnome 2 had atleast better |
| 20:25 | <damiano> | Nothingman, and also, it's not Iceweasel's logs you should look up, but the playback used by flashplayer and its settings for example.. |
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| 20:25 | <damiano> | cause Iceweasel only uses the plugin, but it's not responsible for its job. |
| 20:26 | <damiano> | you have problems getting output from it, that's all i can tell you. But its ALSA's bug probably, so if i were you i'd do the same i did. Re-install ALSA using sources. It's not difficult. |
| 20:26 | <damiano> | and if that doesn't help then i dunno. |
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| 20:27 | <damiano> | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=71737 |
| 20:27 | <damiano> | here, do this. |
| 20:27 | <damiano> | it wouldn't hurt a bit. |
| 20:27 | <damiano> | basically it just overwrites your existing ALSA settings which if does not good then definitely doesn't make it worse. |
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| 20:28 | <damiano> | MJ23, gnome 2 is definitely more charming, yes. |
| 20:28 | <damiano> | that's out of the question i guess. |
| 20:29 | <damiano> | gnome 3 seems to be a mockery. |
| 20:29 | <damiano> | it's not better. It's just different and not in the best way. |
| 20:29 | <sney> | the great thing about open source is that you can take the source of something, fork it, make it different and maintain it in that new form |
| 20:30 | <sney> | for instance, gnome 2 |
| 20:30 | <damiano> | perhaps. Has anyone succeeded in putting Gnome 2 back on a system which formally does not support it anymore? |
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| 20:31 | <sney> | I'm sure someone has. I'm not aware of any formal efforts. |
| 20:31 | <damiano> | Nothingman, are you doing as i said? |
| 20:31 | <MJ23> | thanks damiano and aharvey for the help, i love the helping you can get from linux users :) |
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| 20:32 | <damiano> | Nothingman, man, just make sure it's not a bug, cause you may fiddle around just like i did for two f...ng weeks and in the end you still won't find it but you get fortunate enough to meet some guy like me who suggests you doing such a simple thing :) |
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| 20:32 | <damiano> | Nothingman, don't be scared by "sources". At least this time. The procedure shown in that post is a piece of cake. |
| 20:32 | <Nothingman> | damiano, Hey, I will try |
| 20:32 | <damiano> | MJ23, no probs man.. i'm myself still a student of it. |
| 20:33 | <damiano> | Nothingman, ok. Just before you get any other crazy ideas, do so please :) |
| 20:33 | <damiano> | Nothingman, cause for me it fixed EVERYTHING |
| 20:33 | <Nothingman> | hahaha |
| 20:33 | <Nothingman> | ok |
| 20:33 | <Nothingman> | I will try now |
| 20:33 | <Nothingman> | I'm not scared of the sources |
| 20:33 | <damiano> | and i realized how much time i wasted on nothing... on some damn asound.conf, asoundrc.conf and other worthless stuff which didn't work |
| 20:33 | <damiano> | Nothingman, ok. |
| 20:33 | <Nothingman> | but I prefer to have installations from packages due to updating/security issues |
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| 20:34 | <jillsmitt> | how to share some files in windows network? |
| 20:34 | <damiano> | Nothingman, again, i can't guarantee it wil work, but surely it won't make it worse. It must NOT at least. |
| 20:34 | <jillsmitt> | in\with |
| 20:34 | <sney> | jillsmitt: samba |
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| 20:34 | <Nothingman> | I was trying to get log output from the browser but I did not get much |
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| 20:34 | <damiano> | Nothingman, me too, but in this case that was the solution for me. So... maybe it's not all that simple. |
| 20:34 | <damiano> | Nothingman, just don't bother with that yet. |
| 20:34 | <damiano> | Nothingman, you probably have more probs than you think |
| 20:34 | <Nothingman> | damiano, you are right, I prefer not to lose two weeks neither XDDD |
| 20:35 | <Nothingman> | I'm starting now |
| 20:35 | <damiano> | ok. |
| 20:35 | <damiano> | just do everything as told there. |
| 20:35 | <sney> | module-assistant doesn't replace anything that would normally be upgraded through apt anyway. it's just kernel modules. |
| 20:35 | <damiano> | one little fix: it's module-assistant there, not module assistant :) |
| 20:35 | <damiano> | sney, it does. |
| 20:35 | <Nothingman> | anyway |
| 20:35 | <Nothingman> | damiano: I'm running my own kernel version |
| 20:35 | <damiano> | Nothingman, which one? |
| 20:36 | <Nothingman> | 2.6.38-8 |
| 20:36 | <damiano> | hmmm.... |
| 20:36 | <damiano> | then sorry dude. |
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| 20:36 | <Nothingman> | The ALSA driver is newer then... |
| 20:36 | <Nothingman> | isn't it? |
| 20:36 | <damiano> | i see. |
| 20:36 | <damiano> | not neccessarily. |
| 20:36 | <damiano> | you may check in synaptic though. |
| 20:36 | <Nothingman> | I'll check |
| 20:36 | <damiano> | type 'ALSA' and tell me what you get. |
| 20:36 | <sney> | well, nothing that would be upgraded through apt _on its own_. it would be replaced on a kernel upgrade. but squeeze doesn't get kernel upgrades that replace the module tree so *shrug* |
| 20:36 | <damiano> | it's a lame way, but it's the fastest. |
| 20:37 | <Nothingman> | I see alsa-base/utils etc on 1.0.23 |
| 20:37 | <damiano> | yep... dfsg-2? |
| 20:38 | <Nothingman> | Yup.... but the drivers are in the kernel, isn't it? |
| 20:38 | <damiano> | yeah, so anyway, do it. |
| 20:38 | <damiano> | it wouldn't install the same stuff. |
| 20:38 | <damiano> | if it's available for you then it should work. |
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| 20:39 | <damiano> | and also.. i'd personally never recommend upgrading kernels. I have little experience with all this, but still, it showed that it's a bad idea. Always some probs. SO unless you get a newer kernel along with a newer stable version it's not recommended. But of course, only by me ;) |
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| 20:40 | <jillsmitt> | Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share. |
| 20:40 | <jillsmitt> | how can i grant it to my user? |
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| 20:41 | <Nothingman> | I never had any problem with the kernel I'm using now |
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| 20:41 | <Nothingman> | till today and I´m not sure it's the kernel |
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| 20:41 | <damiano> | Nothingman, maybe you haven't noticed yet, but alright. For me it was always shit. |
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| 20:42 | <damiano> | Nothingman, it can be actually. Newer kernel changed audio for me. |
| 20:42 | <hoshi411> | I finally got debian kde on my laptop woohoo |
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| 20:42 | <damiano> | Nothingman, but not in the best way though. |
| 20:42 | <sney> | 2.6.39 in debian backports is also a fair option |
| 20:42 | <Nothingman> | I only recall installing some libraries for development 2-3 days ago |
| 20:42 | <sney> | since it's intended for squeeze and from an official source |
| 20:42 | <hoshi411> | only to realize that this is not the chat room for debian kde :p |
| 20:42 | <Nothingman> | then I noticed I did not have sound... but I don't know since when |
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| 20:42 | <Nothingman> | I needed the kernel for my graphic card driver |
| 20:42 | <damiano> | Nothingman, that's how it always happens :) |
| 20:43 | <Nothingman> | If I would not upgrad the kernel otherwise |
| 20:43 | <jillsmitt> | how can i grant share permissions to share files to my user? |
| 20:44 | <damiano> | Nothingman, anyway.. just re-build ALSA. It shouldn't do any worse. It's the best thing you can do, unless you wanna do some stuff with asound.conf/asoundrc.conf which is likely a waste of time :) It was for me though, It did nothing. |
| 20:45 | <damiano> | so yeah... if it's not working then it's not settings or anything (in rare cases though) but only software. That's what i've acquired during my hopeless experiments. |
| 20:45 | <damiano> | software vs hardware. |
| 20:45 | <damiano> | that's what it is. |
| 20:46 | <Nothingman> | Mmmm I have problems with module-assistant it does not find the kernel headers |
| 20:46 | <Nothingman> | letś check... |
| 20:47 | <damiano> | weird. |
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| 20:48 | <damiano> | see... that's the prob with those kernels |
| 20:48 | <damiano> | that's why i don't like it |
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| 20:49 | <sney> | it just didn't install a package that satisfied the dependency of 'linux-headers' |
| 20:49 | <sney> | Nothingman: if you need a kernel that is >= 2.6.38, why not 2.6.39 from http://backports.debian.org/ ? It's fully supported and it'll work with things like module-assistant |
| 20:50 | <jillsmitt> | this is my issue: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/521/screenshot1gc.png/ |
| 20:50 | <jillsmitt> | maybe i cant ask right question |
| 20:51 | <Nothingman> | Mmmm |
| 20:51 | <damiano> | hehe... there you go, install .39 now to fuck it up even more ;) |
| 20:51 | <Nothingman> | I could try installing it and restarting |
| 20:52 | <damiano> | i'm not saying it's a bad thing to install newer kernel, i'm just saying that it's for experts to do. |
| 20:52 | <Nothingman> | Let me think |
| 20:52 | <Nothingman> | It took me long time to have the graphic card working |
| 20:52 | <damiano> | yeah, good point |
| 20:53 | <damiano> | :) |
| 20:53 | <Nothingman> | I needed minimum 2.6.38 and by then 2.6.37 was everywhere so I did it manually |
| 20:53 | <Nothingman> | well, not really, with the debian kernel build tools |
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| 20:53 | <Nothingman> | I guess that if I install the new kernel I can reboot to the old one using grub |
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| 20:54 | <Nothingman> | isn't it= |
| 20:54 | <Nothingman> | ? |
| 20:54 | <damiano> | yes |
| 20:54 | <damiano> | BUT... |
| 20:54 | <damiano> | those kernels still interract somehow |
| 20:54 | <Nothingman> | how? |
| 20:54 | <damiano> | at least that's the feeling i got from my experience. |
| 20:54 | <damiano> | i dunno man. I just dunno. maybe i'm paranoid. |
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| 20:54 | <Nothingman> | because of the modules? |
| 20:54 | <jillsmitt> | done with share |
| 20:54 | <damiano> | maybe. All i can say, from now one i'll never do it again, till the very Debian 7 comes out with Kernel 3.0 |
| 20:55 | <Nothingman> | mmm |
| 20:55 | <damiano> | at least everything works for me now. And i have no need to upgrade it. |
| 20:55 | <Nothingman> | I will try to make ma find the headers... |
| 20:55 | <damiano> | yeah, better do so. |
| 20:55 | <Nothingman> | where the hell is trying to find it???? |
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| 20:57 | <damiano> | you see... that kernel thing intimidates me because of one simple reason: i dunno what's happing inside there... i don't see it... i dunno where everything lies and what settings it does to my system. And when it gets funky i'm about to rip hair outta my ass cause of this shit. So that's why... |
| 20:57 | <damiano> | two times i messed with kernels and my system didn't boot. |
| 20:58 | <damiano> | actually three times |
| 20:58 | <damiano> | usually it fucks up xorg or something |
| 20:58 | <damiano> | and that's when you never get back to your DE |
| 20:58 | <damiano> | first time i managed to fix it. It deleted video driver |
| 20:58 | <damiano> | i used aptitude from console to bring it back. Was lucky enough. |
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| 20:59 | <Nothingman> | hahaha |
| 20:59 | <Nothingman> | I remember the first time I compiled the kernel by myself |
| 20:59 | <Nothingman> | XDDD |
| 20:59 | <damiano> | how was it? |
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| 20:59 | <Nothingman> | I did not know you could load the previous settings |
| 20:59 | <damiano> | well yeah, you can. Kinda |
| 21:00 | <damiano> | first you back it up |
| 21:00 | <Nothingman> | so I went ONE BY ONE reading and checking/unchecking |
| 21:00 | <Nothingman> | I know |
| 21:00 | <damiano> | anyways.. i'm not into this funky activity :) |
| 21:00 | <damiano> | right now i do have a weird prob with CD/DVD drive. |
| 21:01 | <damiano> | that's the only thing i have. |
| 21:01 | <damiano> | it's not that it doesnt work... it just acts funny. Some media it takes it kinda long to open up. |
| 21:01 | <Nothingman> | which problem? |
| 21:01 | <Nothingman> | long time to eject? |
| 21:01 | <damiano> | nah.. not that. |
| 21:01 | <Nothingman> | or to read? |
| 21:01 | <damiano> | yeah, to read, and actually more like to identify |
| 21:02 | <damiano> | once identified i can do whatever i want and it reads it perfectly |
| 21:02 | <damiano> | they say it's my drive. |
| 21:02 | <damiano> | well... folks.. i didn't have that in windows though. |
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| 21:02 | <damiano> | not only it's long, it hangs up system for a moment. I can't do anything. |
| 21:02 | <damiano> | something with dma/udma modes, i dunno. |
| 21:03 | <damiano> | but hey..... to fix THAT i ain't gonna mess with no kernels :) |
| 21:03 | <damiano> | cause i fix that and break something else up :) Or more like... i fix nothing and down my system goes :) |
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| 21:04 | <Nothingman> | you know what? |
| 21:04 | <Nothingman> | try to upgrade the kernel!! |
| 21:04 | <Nothingman> | XDD |
| 21:04 | <damiano> | haha |
| 21:05 | <damiano> | never.... |
| 21:05 | <Nothingman> | just a module |
| 21:05 | <Nothingman> | XDD |
| 21:05 | <damiano> | impossible my friend :) |
| 21:05 | <Nothingman> | do it! |
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| 21:05 | <Nothingman> | hahahaha |
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| 21:05 | <damiano> | nah... thanks a lot chief :) |
| 21:05 | <Nothingman> | Then you will have no drive and I will have no sound |
| 21:05 | <Nothingman> | XDD |
| 21:05 | <damiano> | most likely! |
| 21:05 | <damiano> | and then i'll just go and shoot myself |
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| 21:06 | <damiano> | and there will be words like "linux got this guy" on my tombstone |
| 21:06 | <damiano> | "he messed up with kernels too much" |
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| 21:10 | <Nothingman> | XDDD |
| 21:10 | <Nothingman> | fucking configure from alsa |
| 21:10 | <Nothingman> | it's wrong and now I have to fix it :( |
| 21:10 | <damiano> | of course |
| 21:10 | <damiano> | you know what... |
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| 21:10 | <damiano> | try using Ubuntu. Everything works there :) |
| 21:10 | <Nothingman> | does not find the kernel dir even if I supply it in the optoin |
| 21:10 | <Nothingman> | nonoooo |
| 21:11 | <damiano> | haha |
| 21:11 | <Nothingman> | I was pissed off and I came back to debian |
| 21:11 | <damiano> | :) |
| 21:11 | <Nothingman> | I don't like these guys anymore |
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| 21:11 | <damiano> | same here. Well.. you didn't like it probably because of Gnome3/Unity :) |
| 21:11 | <damiano> | am i right? :) |
| 21:11 | <Nothingman> | now that they have more users I see the company side of them |
| 21:11 | <Nothingman> | I hate unity |
| 21:12 | <Nothingman> | gnome 3 was ok |
| 21:12 | <Nothingman> | still needs to mature |
| 21:12 | <damiano> | ah.. because it became more popular? :) |
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| 21:12 | <Nothingman> | No, because they did not respect the gnome comunity |
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| 21:12 | <damiano> | ah. |
| 21:12 | <Nothingman> | They wanted to push gnome do their things in Ubuntu way.... |
| 21:12 | <damiano> | i see. |
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| 21:13 | <Nothingman> | And I don't like the default setup of ubuntu with ubuntu one crashing/slowing down, etc |
| 21:13 | <Nothingman> | I had a few crashes as well |
| 21:13 | <tensorpudding> | i've never had ubuntu one crash |
| 21:13 | <Nothingman> | not stable at all |
| 21:13 | <tensorpudding> | because i don't use it |
| 21:13 | <Nothingman> | I had |
| 21:13 | <Nothingman> | XDDD |
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| 21:14 | <tensorpudding> | i prefer dropbox |
| 21:14 | <Nothingman> | yup |
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| 21:14 | <damiano> | can anyone explain me one thing ONLY.... |
| 21:15 | <damiano> | why if i click on root terminal from menu/desktop (if copied to desktop or anywhere else) then it starts it TWO times, but when i create the same launcher manually it's ok? |
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| 21:15 | <damiano> | i just wanna know that. |
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| 21:17 | <tensorpudding> | i can't reproduce that |
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| 21:21 | <damiano> | well of course, cause it's only my issue. |
| 21:23 | <asdfaerg> | did you sacrifice the correct number of chickens? |
| 21:23 | <damiano> | what da hell..? |
| 21:24 | <asdfaerg> | has to be under the solstice moon as well |
| 21:24 | <damiano> | right. |
| 21:24 | <asdfaerg> | if not you're out of luck; reformat |
| 21:24 | <Nothingman> | damiano, for me it only starts once |
| 21:24 | <damiano> | Nothingman, well, it was like that for me too. But now it's not. |
| 21:24 | <Nothingman> | hahaha |
| 21:24 | <Nothingman> | really? |
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| 21:24 | <Nothingman> | suddenly it opens twice? |
| 21:24 | <damiano> | of course, i can just edit it, delete the old one and make a new one and it will be alright. |
| 21:25 | <Nothingman> | do you use gnome? |
| 21:25 | <damiano> | Nothingman, not suddenly, always, but only if i use menu's launcher. |
| 21:25 | <damiano> | even if i copy it to the desktop - it's the same thing. If i make a launcher manually using EXACTLY the same settings for it - it's ok |
| 21:25 | <Nothingman> | can you create a new user, login with it and try to reproduce? |
| 21:25 | <damiano> | so... what the hell? :) |
| 21:26 | <Nothingman> | may be is some settings in your gnome conf files |
| 21:26 | <damiano> | perhaps. |
| 21:26 | <Nothingman> | try with a clean account |
| 21:26 | <damiano> | ok.. even if it works ok with a new one... so what? What does it explain? |
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| 21:26 | <damiano> | i mean i know it's something about settings |
| 21:27 | <damiano> | but WHY would it happen in such a weird way.. that's what i wanna know.. i don't want to see how it'd be ok.. i wanna fix it and to know why it happens at all. |
| 21:27 | <Nothingman> | can you do a tail of the shortcut and paste it? |
| 21:27 | <damiano> | sure, it'd work the same way :) |
| 21:27 | <Nothingman> | by the way... both terminal works fine? |
| 21:27 | <damiano> | no, one doesn't start |
| 21:27 | <damiano> | it thinks a bit and then dissappears. Like it's not there. |
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| 21:28 | <scorinitron> | hello |
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| 21:28 | <damiano> | like it launches one which exists and the other one which doesn't. |
| 21:28 | <scorinitron> | I'm thinking of switching from ubuntu to debian |
| 21:28 | <scorinitron> | ^^ |
| 21:28 | <tensorpudding> | don't do it! |
| 21:28 | <abrotman> | tensorpudding: ? |
| 21:28 | <abrotman> | scorinitron: what kind of info are you looking for? |
| 21:29 | <Nothingman> | I can reproduce it now as well |
| 21:29 | <scorinitron> | well I'm trying to get a good picture of what I'm getting myself into |
| 21:29 | <asdfaerg> | damiano: does it come up with a thing in the taskbar that says "opening..." but you can't open it and eventually it disappears? |
| 21:29 | <damiano> | Nothingman, really? |
| 21:29 | <scorinitron> | what will I need to learn to use debian... |
| 21:29 | <damiano> | asdfaerg, exactly. |
| 21:29 | <Nothingman> | yup |
| 21:29 | <damiano> | Nothingman, how did YOU do it? |
| 21:29 | <asdfaerg> | i get that when trying to open something that is already open like pidgin or icedove |
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| 21:30 | <Nothingman> | I had to add a window list panel to do it |
| 21:30 | <asdfaerg> | oh hm |
| 21:30 | <Nothingman> | I am using awn and in awn does not appear the 2nd one |
| 21:30 | <damiano> | asdfaerg, yes, but it's not the case this time. Cause i may just run it from F2 or using my own launcher. |
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| 21:30 | <Nothingman> | so the problem is related to nautilus or with the gnome panel |
| 21:31 | <tensorpudding> | scorinitron, debian has a slow release cycle, does not have unity or ubuntuone, and has the software center but doesn't to my knowledge support the canonical channels |
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| 21:31 | <tensorpudding> | the latest debian release is squeeze |
| 21:32 | <tensorpudding> | debian rebrands mozilla's apps, like firefox and thunderbird, due to a thing |
| 21:32 | <damiano> | Nothingman, what if i restart... |
| 21:32 | <damiano> | nah.. i don't think that helps. |
| 21:33 | <tensorpudding> | debian in general is particular about free software, and has its own guidelines about what is free |
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| 21:33 | <tensorpudding> | scorinitron, is there anything else you need to know? |
| 21:33 | <Nothingman> | hahaha |
| 21:33 | <Nothingman> | try |
| 21:33 | <damiano> | oh well.. ok |
| 21:33 | <Nothingman> | but I think you have to restart 5 times |
| 21:33 | <damiano> | huh? 5 times?? |
| 21:33 | <damiano> | :) |
| 21:33 | <Nothingman> | I guess that the issue is related to gksu |
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| 21:35 | <damiano> | i thought so too, BUT... |
| 21:35 | <Nothingman> | may be is related with gksu as well |
| 21:35 | <damiano> | i copied the exact command from menu launcher to my own. It's ok. |
| 21:35 | <Nothingman> | itś weird because I see two icons in the toolbar but only one process is created |
| 21:36 | <Nothingman> | ah! |
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| 21:36 | <Nothingman> | no! |
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| 21:36 | <Nothingman> | two! gksu for the user and bash for root of course... |
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| 21:36 | <Nothingman> | try this |
| 21:37 | <Nothingman> | open the root terminal from your desktop |
| 21:37 | <Nothingman> | and after kill gksu |
| 21:37 | <Nothingman> | the second icon disappears ;-) |
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| 21:37 | <Nothingman> | ah not |
| 21:37 | <damiano> | :) |
| 21:38 | <Nothingman> | it dissappeared because I waited too much |
| 21:38 | <Nothingman> | XDD |
| 21:38 | <damiano> | :) |
| 21:38 | <damiano> | listen, in my case it's something wrong with the launcher |
| 21:38 | <damiano> | cause if i make my own it's ok |
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| 21:38 | <damiano> | i wonder what if i send the launcher to you, haha |
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| 21:39 | <damiano> | http://89.28.122.14:8080/gksu.desktop |
| 21:39 | <damiano> | here, take it |
| 21:39 | <damiano> | :) |
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| 21:39 | <damiano> | it must work |
| 21:41 | <Nothingman> | mm |
| 21:41 | <Nothingman> | by the way do you have in the launcher StartupNotify=true?? |
| 21:42 | <damiano> | i dunno what that is. Where did you see it? |
| 21:42 | <Nothingman> | I think that when the launcher is created in the desktop this option is set to true |
| 21:42 | <Nothingman> | in the launcher itself |
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| 21:42 | <damiano> | hmm |
| 21:42 | <damiano> | let me see |
| 21:42 | <Nothingman> | gedit ~/Desktop/gksu.launcher |
| 21:42 | <Nothingman> | or .desktop sorry |
| 21:42 | <Nothingman> | at the end |
| 21:43 | <damiano> | yes, it's true |
| 21:43 | <Nothingman> | probably the way drag/drop works is to create a new launcher with that option |
| 21:43 | <Nothingman> | do you know where the original launcher is? |
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| 21:44 | <scorinitron> | What would be the best linux OS to use for someone who is sick of ubuntu wants something lighter but still needs that GUI till he can master the terminal and #bash |
| 21:44 | <damiano> | Nothingman, , sure, it's on the menu |
| 21:44 | <damiano> | Nothingman, ok, let me try your thing |
| 21:45 | <damiano> | no, drag and drop does the same) |
| 21:45 | <Nothingman> | in /usr/share/menu? |
| 21:45 | <damiano> | yeah |
| 21:45 | <asdfaerg> | scorinitron: debian has a gui... |
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| 21:45 | <Nothingman> | they are kind of templates |
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| 21:45 | <Nothingman> | probably the drag/drop implementation creates the launcher with that option by default |
| 21:46 | <damiano> | hmmm |
| 21:46 | <damiano> | look what i found |
| 21:46 | <damiano> | the info in "xterm" file from /usr/share/menu is doubled! |
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| 21:46 | <Nothingman> | not in mine! |
| 21:47 | <damiano> | http://pastebin.com/jjKcGnD4 |
| 21:47 | <damiano> | here. |
| 21:47 | <scorinitron> | asdfaerg, well I'm still a noob and still kinda think windows minded... |
| 21:47 | <Nothingman> | which lines are replicated? |
| 21:47 | <damiano> | solved. BUT.... still undefined why it happned. |
| 21:47 | <damiano> | just look |
| 21:47 | <scorinitron> | asdfaerg, So I still need that simple access |
| 21:47 | <damiano> | starting from line 8 it's the same thing |
| 21:48 | <damiano> | two blocks sticked together. |
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| 21:48 | <Nothingman> | noo |
| 21:48 | <damiano> | but one with unicode support |
| 21:48 | <Nothingman> | it's uxterm |
| 21:48 | <Nothingman> | with unicode support |
| 21:48 | <damiano> | hm.. |
| 21:48 | <tensorpudding> | scorinitron, there are alternate versions of ubuntu that don't use unity/gnome |
| 21:48 | <scorinitron> | great I hate unity |
| 21:48 | <scorinitron> | and gnome is well 50/50 with me so so |
| 21:48 | <damiano> | ah.. it's gksu.. sorry |
| 21:49 | <tensorpudding> | scorinitron, kubuntu uses kde, xubuntu uses xfce, lubuntu uses lxde |
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| 21:49 | <asdfaerg> | Does anyone have the sensors-applet-nvidia package? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sensors-applet lists it as a requirement to read the temperature of Nvidia cards but I can't find it anywhere, on apt or in the package search box on the right or even google |
| 21:49 | <damiano> | http://pastebin.com/E7FUhD8w |
| 21:49 | <damiano> | here. |
| 21:49 | <damiano> | but nothing suspicious. |
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| 21:50 | <Nothingman> | look at /usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop |
| 21:51 | <Nothingman> | it's true as well |
| 21:51 | <damiano> | pff... |
| 21:51 | <damiano> | i dunno. |
| 21:52 | <Nothingman> | I think that the startup notify option is ignored if launched from the menu |
| 21:53 | <damiano> | tells me nothing man. |
| 21:53 | <damiano> | let me restart. |
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| 21:54 | <Nothingman> | damiano: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-November/msg00638.html |
| 21:55 | <Nothingman> | An example of an app that does not always send the message is gnome-terminal..... |
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| 21:55 | <damiano> | same shit. |
| 21:56 | <Nothingman> | hey |
| 21:56 | <Nothingman> | read the link I pasted before |
| 21:56 | <damiano> | i see no link |
| 21:56 | <Nothingman> | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-November/msg00638.html |
| 21:56 | <damiano> | ok |
| 21:56 | <Nothingman> | line 21 |
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| 21:58 | <damiano> | i see, but why did it work before? |
| 21:58 | <damiano> | i mean.. normally? |
| 21:58 | <damiano> | what happened? |
| 21:58 | <damiano> | that's what i wanna know |
| 21:58 | <damiano> | why all of a sudden it behaves funny with True parameter? |
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| 21:58 | <Nothingman> | ahm! |
| 21:59 | <damiano> | thanks) |
| 21:59 | <Nothingman> | I thought it was always like this only for the root terminal |
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| 21:59 | <damiano> | hm... i never noticed that. |
| 21:59 | <damiano> | maybe... i just didn't actually. |
| 21:59 | <damiano> | but.. can't remember. |
| 21:59 | <Nothingman> | shit |
| 21:59 | <damiano> | how does it work for you? |
| 22:00 | <Nothingman> | Indeed I always see the notification, even launching from the menu XDDD |
| 22:00 | <damiano> | hhmmzz... |
| 22:01 | <damiano> | godverdomme |
| 22:01 | <Nothingman> | but the root gets 6 process, plus the gksu of the user... 7 processes!!! |
| 22:01 | <Nothingman> | just run the normal one and do su! |
| 22:01 | <Nothingman> | XDD |
| 22:02 | <damiano> | i know, but i wanna know what made root one work weird :) |
| 22:02 | <damiano> | i kinda... didn't install new kernels, did i ;) |
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| 22:02 | <damiano> | anyways... be back in a bit |
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| 22:06 | <Nothingman> | I removed all the gnome related / gconf dirs from root and still happens |
| 22:06 | <Nothingman> | are you sure it was never there? |
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| 22:16 | <damiano> | hmm |
| 22:16 | <damiano> | maybe it's always been there. Damn it :) |
| 22:16 | <damiano> | i'm back by the way |
| 22:16 | <damiano> | hey.. je bent nederlands, toch? |
| 22:16 | <Nothingman> | I'm getting closer in my research to flash and sound |
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| 22:18 | <damiano> | i see, that's cool |
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| 22:19 | <damiano> | you know what.. i think that might happen if you put yourself in sudoers group. |
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| 22:21 | <Nothingman> | mmm |
| 22:21 | <Nothingman> | It could b |
| 22:21 | <Nothingman> | did you do it recently? |
| 22:21 | <damiano> | well yeah, kinda.... but i don't remember running root terminal after it. |
| 22:21 | <damiano> | i may try removing myself from sudoers and add back. |
| 22:21 | <damiano> | to see what happens. |
| 22:22 | <damiano> | or maybe.. don't bother... |
| 22:23 | <Nothingman> | mmm |
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| 22:23 | <Nothingman> | did not work for me |
| 22:23 | <damiano> | hm.. |
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| 22:32 | <Nothingman> | ok |
| 22:33 | <Nothingman> | time to go to bed |
| 22:33 | <Nothingman> | see you soon! |
| 22:33 | <Nothingman> | thanks for the help! |
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| 22:51 | <andre> | hi |
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| 23:23 | <andersonbr> | where's "login screen setup" on squeeze? |
| 23:24 | <damiano> | Menu -> System -> Administration |
| 23:25 | <andersonbr> | damiano, can't find it there...there's only login screen which i can't change the gdm theme |
| 23:25 | <damiano> | well you can't change gdm theme unless you install a different session manager. |
| 23:26 | <damiano> | like kdm of xdm |
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| 23:26 | <andersonbr> | so you mean i have to have two of them? |
| 23:27 | <damiano> | well... yes, you may install another one, but you have to switch to it afterwards. |
| 23:27 | <piney0> | Is there a way to make a system 'less likely' to use swap? http://pastebin.com/JgMHCwzX - thats the output of free if that helps |
| 23:27 | <andersonbr> | alrite then!!! thx...but giving up on it :P |
| 23:28 | <damiano> | good decision actually :0 |
| 23:28 | <damiano> | never mess with linux if it's of little importance :) |
| 23:28 | <damiano> | trust me on that. |
| 23:28 | <damiano> | especially if you lack experience with it. |
| 23:29 | <andersonbr> | i know...i'm having some troubles already that i can't still fix em |
| 23:29 | <damiano> | piney0, i don't use swap at all. I mean.. i have no partition for it. |
| 23:29 | <damiano> | piney0, my memory is enough to handle it. |
| 23:29 | <piney0> | this is a 512mb vps. I never OOM'd, but still think i should have swap |
| 23:30 | <damiano> | ah... yeah, that's for sure man |
| 23:30 | <damiano> | i'd suggest you make like at least 5gb swap. |
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| 23:30 | <piney0> | I just don't see why it's using swap when there is memory available. |
| 23:31 | <ml|> | piney0: since you only have 512MB, better to leave things as is |
| 23:31 | <damiano> | yeah, i don't get it either. Broken memory plank?.. |
| 23:31 | <damiano> | but probably because it's too little. |
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| 23:31 | <damiano> | the thing is, it uses swap to optimize the job. |
| 23:32 | <damiano> | cause the rest of your memory might be pre-reserved. |
| 23:32 | <damiano> | for better performance |
| 23:33 | <piney0> | ok, I'll leave it alone. Thanks for the input. |
| 23:34 | <damiano> | you know the old rule.. if it works don't you f..ng fix it :) |
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| 23:35 | <damiano> | that goes especially for linux... it may get funky any moment and you'd never know why. Unless you reproduce the mistake many times and re-install OS like 100 of times |
| 23:35 | <toshiba> | how do i install microsoft office 2010 on ubuntu 11.10 |
| 23:35 | <damiano> | you need to use Wine + playonlinux front-end |
| 23:35 | <damiano> | to see what you really can run without problems. |
| 23:36 | <damiano> | but if i were you i'd not do it. I'd just use OpenOffice/LibreOffice. |
| 23:36 | <damiano> | they're pretty much compatible with the latest Microsoft formats. |
| 23:36 | <damiano> | and running anything through wine is, in my opinion, last thing you should do. If there's no alternative at all. |
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| 23:36 | <piney0> | I would stay away from ms office on *nix. go with one of the alternatives if that's an option |
| 23:37 | <damiano> | true. |
| 23:37 | <ml|> | dpkg: ubuntu-irc toshiba |
| 23:37 | <dpkg> | toshiba: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 23:37 | <damiano> | if you really want it that bad then it's better to install Office 2003+ office 2007 compatibility pack. It's lighter, faster and probably more compatible with Wine. |
| 23:38 | <damiano> | m1| that goes for Debian too actually. |
| 23:38 | <ml|> | damiano: does not matter ubuntu is not supported here |
| 23:38 | <damiano> | :) |
| 23:38 | <damiano> | ok. |
| 23:39 | <damiano> | can anyone tell me why do i get two terminals launched (one is actually missing as it appears later) if using menu's root terminal? |
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| 23:40 | <damiano> | one opens and the other one is attempting to startup but then it just dissappears. |
| 23:40 | <damiano> | i just wanna know what caused this to happen. |
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| 23:56 | <asdfaerg> | It depends on what you're using office for |
| 23:57 | <asdfaerg> | i work with a lot of equations in word documents and libre/open do not work with them at all |
| 23:57 | <asdfaerg> | they are completely mangled, disappeared, etc |
| 23:57 | <asdfaerg> | i ended up running real msoffice in a virtual machine |
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