| --- | Log | opened Wed Jul 13 00:00:32 2011 |
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| 00:04 | <mARCUs> | shizzerfizzle..... ithink my router just died |
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| 00:05 | <calvinow> | shizzerfizzle?? |
| 00:06 | <zalaey> | calvinow: yeah i know, the only processors in my house that are allowed to idle and sleep p are the laptops. |
| 00:06 | <zalaey> | Hydroxide: saving power?! bah, lol. |
| 00:07 | <mARCUs> | haha....yeah i cant cuss, its not healthy :) |
| 00:07 | <zalaey> | Hydroxide: actually power generation techniques were what i was last working on before kids :( |
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| 00:14 | <zalaey> | is there a.deb of gecko by chance included with iceweasel? |
| 00:17 | <mARCUs> | random: A little bit of powder, a little bit of paint, makes a girl’s complexion seem what it ain’t. |
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| 00:18 | <magyar> | hi how do i combine in a certificate the certificate key the rsa key and dh parameters? |
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| 00:20 | <zalaey> | magyar: oh, i know that. damn it. apparently that information didn't save in my brain. i know i was just going through that too early setting up stunnel |
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| 00:22 | <zalaey> | its like the link is down in my brain. everytime i think about iti can almost see the manpage i was reading from when i was editing the site certificates |
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| 00:22 | <zalaey> | magyar: i want to say "man openssl" |
| 00:23 | <zalaey> | magyar: but dont quote me on that :) |
| 00:23 | <magyar> | zalaey: i think i got it |
| 00:23 | <magyar> | thanks |
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| 00:35 | * | bignose would suggest GNU ‘certtool(1)’ but magyar seems to be fine now |
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| 00:36 | <magyar> | wow |
| 00:36 | <magyar> | thanks bignose |
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| 00:37 | <bignose> | magyar: seriously? |
| 00:37 | * | bignose doesn't know whether ‘certtool’ is a whole lot better interface than ‘openssl’ |
| 00:37 | <bignose> | I mean, *I* prefer it |
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| 00:38 | <zalaey> | is gecko by chance included with iceweasel? |
| 00:39 | <bignose> | zalaey: Gecko is the rendering engine Iceweasel uses |
| 00:40 | <bignose> | so, by installing the latter, you will get the former |
| 00:40 | <bignose> | but I don't know if that's the question. |
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| 00:40 | <zalaey> | but to update the former in playonlinux i might break the latter? |
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| 00:41 | <bignose> | zalaey: you should update all packages in step, unless you know what you're doing |
| 00:41 | <sney> | playonlinux keeps everything it uses self-contained, iirc |
| 00:41 | <zalaey> | sney: ah... interesting. |
| 00:42 | <magyar> | bignose: openssl is a bit confusing |
| 00:42 | <sney> | doesn't it also offer multiple wine versions simultaneously or something |
| 00:42 | <magyar> | i've been taring my hair out for the past 5 hours |
| 00:42 | <Arrowmaster> | and the gecko used in wine isnt the same as iceweasel, the one for wine is compiled for windows instead of linux |
| 00:43 | <zalaey> | sney: i think so. i know the wine that loads up from this computers terminals is 1.0.1 however pol seems to being 1.2 |
| 00:43 | <bignose> | magyar: okay, glad to help. I do find the ‘gnutls-bin’ tools a whole lot more straightforward to use. |
| 00:43 | <magyar> | i tried req reqnode sign you name it |
| 00:43 | <sney> | ff/iceweasel is also fairly self contained. it doesn't even share gtk with the rest of the system. |
| 00:43 | <zalaey> | Arrowmaster: so i should let it do its own thing then? it kind of asked that and i was looking through apt-cache to see what had gecko in it |
| 00:43 | <magyar> | but postfix / courier still complain about the cert |
| 00:43 | <Arrowmaster> | zalaey: yeah let it do its own thing |
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| 00:44 | <zalaey> | Arrowmaster: should i manually update PoL in squeeze or just use the squeeze thats with it? |
| 00:45 | <zalaey> | errr |
| 00:45 | <zalaey> | or just use the PoL thats with squeeze |
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| 00:46 | <Arrowmaster> | one in squeeze should be fine |
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| 01:09 | <That_Dude> | Hey guys, anybody know how to file shred? |
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| 01:11 | <That_Dude> | Hello? Anybody there? |
| 01:12 | <zalaey> | That_Dude: kind of here. horrible headache. what do you mean yb file shread? get ride of what? |
| 01:13 | <zalaey> | That_Dude: i mean i dont want to know what what |
| 01:13 | <zalaey> | That_Dude: just like from your signifcant other? your parents? cops? the feds? |
| 01:13 | <bignose> | That_Dude: does the ‘wipe’ package meet your needs? |
| 01:13 | <That_Dude> | OH thank god someone is here. I just need a program that I can use to shred business documents before I give my old laptop to my daughter. Google didnt help. |
| 01:14 | <bignose> | That_Dude: or perhaps ‘bleachbit’? |
| 01:14 | <That_Dude> | Is that a program? |
| 01:14 | <zalaey> | yeah i can only give youa few commands, i don't know programs like that :) |
| 01:14 | <sney> | or just use DBAN and then install a clean os |
| 01:14 | <That_Dude> | as long as it gets rid of the porn :) |
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| 01:14 | <bignose> | That_Dude: or the core GNU tools includes ‘shred(1)’ |
| 01:14 | <That_Dude> | sney: I cant reformat the whole system |
| 01:15 | <sney> | why not? |
| 01:15 | <bignose> | That_Dude: (all found with ‘aptitude’ search, by the way. it's your friend.) |
| 01:15 | <That_Dude> | im on a pissy 5GB a month internet cap and I dont have the installation disc |
| 01:15 | <That_Dude> | aptitude? Whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 01:15 | <bignose> | That_Dude: Aptitude is nicer :-) |
| 01:15 | <sney> | %why aptitude |
| 01:15 | <dselect> | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 01:16 | <That_Dude> | Aptitude swore at me... :P |
| 01:16 | <That_Dude> | I actually heard that apt-get is the newer version? |
| 01:16 | <zalaey> | That_Dude: best i can say is wherever the files were, do this to that partition (/dev/foo)"mkfs.ext2 -v -cc /dev/foo" then mount it "mount /dev/foo /mnt" scrub it "cat /dev/urandom > /mnt" once its "full" then "umount /mnt" and remake a file system on it |
| 01:17 | <That_Dude> | zalaey: Essentially a format? |
| 01:17 | <bignose> | That_Dude: they both use APT, which is the package management system. |
| 01:17 | <That_Dude> | bignose: Thanks |
| 01:17 | <sney> | zalaey's solution assumes you have your /home directories on a separate partition |
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| 01:18 | <zykotick9> | bignose, i think you mean, they both use dpkg ;) |
| 01:18 | <zalaey> | That_Dude: yeah not sure how tech save your daughter is, lol. i was saying as if she'd go and undelete your buisness files |
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| 01:19 | <bignose> | zykotick9: no, I mean they both use APT (which itself uses dpkg) |
| 01:19 | <That_Dude> | zalaey: Took a test... Top 10 in the state :P |
| 01:19 | <That_Dude> | bignose: Ok thanks :) |
| 01:19 | <zalaey> | That_Dude: yeah... personally im the type of parent that'd wipe the drive clean ;p |
| 01:19 | <sney> | I suppose if you wanted to be extra paranoid, you could fill every file from /dev/urandom before deleting it |
| 01:20 | <bignose> | zykotick9: the ‘apt’ package installs APT, and also installs several programs which use APT. then there are several other separate packages which also install programs that use APT. |
| 01:20 | <That_Dude> | zalaey: It is so tempting to do so but I only have a 5GB quota at the moment and no installation disc |
| 01:20 | <That_Dude> | What about the command 'shred' from terminal? |
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| 01:21 | <bignose> | sney: that's not paranoid enough. the ‘wipe’ and ‘bleachbit’ packages go further than that. |
| 01:21 | <zalaey> | sney: i was kind of assuming that all original partions were deleted so that /dev/foo was the only parition. |
| 01:21 | <bignose> | That_Dude: that's one of the options I pointed you to, yes. |
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| 01:21 | <bignose> | That_Dude: evaluate them all. |
| 01:21 | <zalaey> | That_Dude: how is your laptop paritioned then? |
| 01:21 | <That_Dude> | bignose: Thanks, that should be fine :) |
| 01:21 | <That_Dude> | zalaey: It is all on one partition |
| 01:21 | <zalaey> | oi. |
| 01:22 | <bignose> | zalaey: that's the default, and is fine for most single-user computers. |
| 01:22 | <zalaey> | bignose: i know, its what i normally install on single user computers, unless of course there is an obvious need for a /home partition |
| 01:23 | <That_Dude> | OK, I shall try scrub |
| 01:23 | <bignose> | heh, I never heard of that one |
| 01:23 | <That_Dude> | *shred |
| 01:23 | <zalaey> | bignose: i just personally said oi because i personally normally pizza-cut a partition to avoid data loss over time. |
| 01:24 | <jm_> | what a pointless task - like your daughter can't find her own porn ... |
| 01:24 | <bignose> | That_Dude: well, now that I look for it, there is *also* a ‘scrub’ package :-) |
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| 01:24 | <That_Dude> | jm_: That was a joke :P But yes she could find her own porn |
| 01:24 | <bignose> | That_Dude: as though you needed more options for this. |
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| 01:25 | <zalaey> | bignose: /boot ; / ; /home; and the swap sapce. |
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| 01:26 | <zalaey> | then sometimes ill go brooklyn style and cut it in sixs for a /usr and a /tmp |
| 01:27 | <That_Dude> | ok that is brilliant, shred worked fine. Thanks for your help guys! |
| 01:27 | <zalaey> | and a regular eight cut if i need two other partitions for backup mirrors. |
| 01:27 | <bignose> | zalaey: you use pizza parlour lingo like a pro. |
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| 01:28 | <zalaey> | bignose: in college i had a roommate who in highschool worked at a pizza parlour. guess i picked up a few ideas from being around him ;p |
| 01:29 | <bignose> | The volume of a pizza, of thickness ‘a’ and radius ‘z’, is: |
| 01:29 | <bignose> | pi·z·z·a |
| 01:29 | <zalaey> | bignose: i also have cut up alot of partitions especially when people need to dual boot |
| 01:29 | <zalaey> | bignose: thats the awesomest thing ive read all night ^_^ |
| 01:30 | <jm_> | why not type ¶ ? |
| 01:30 | <bignose> | er, why would I need a pilcrow sign? |
| 01:31 | <zalaey> | lol |
| 01:31 | <zalaey> | wouldnt also be pizza then. |
| 01:31 | <bignose> | and if you mean “why not type π”, then it wouldn't be “pi” which is the joke. |
| 01:32 | <zalaey> | it'd be qizza |
| 01:32 | <bignose> | I can explain it for the next forty minutes if that would make it funnier. |
| 01:32 | <zalaey> | what'd be funnier is if i didn't have to apparently wait for what i just copied over to download. |
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| 01:41 | <jm_> | ahh shame on me, should read character description before using it based on its looks |
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| 01:51 | * | Black_Prince welcomes dpkg and debhelper |
| 01:51 | <Black_Prince> | dpkg hello |
| 01:51 | <dpkg> | hola, black_prince |
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| 01:52 | <AgentC__> | how to remove exim4-base package forced with ignoring depencies ? |
| 01:53 | <AgentC__> | aptitude tries to install another mailer on removing that packge, but there is still xmail installed. |
| 01:54 | <AgentC__> | (by hand) |
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| 01:59 | <bignose> | AgentC__: package xmail, would be the best way to not break the dependency system. |
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| 01:59 | <jm_> | AgentC__: look at equivs |
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| 02:00 | <bignose> | IMO if you're replacing system packages, do so by putting other correctly-packaged ones in their place. don't subvert the packaging system. |
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| 02:00 | <bignose> | (or use Gentoo.) |
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| 02:04 | <Black_Prince> | s/(or use Gentoo.)/(or use Linux From Scratch) |
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| 02:11 | <AgentC> | bignose: xmail is installed by hand, selfcompiled, that's a reason that it is not in aptitude-installed-database |
| 02:11 | <AgentC> | and the exim4-base package disturbing the xmail processing |
| 02:11 | <AgentC> | dunno why exim4-base was installed. |
| 02:11 | <AgentC> | result is, that php mail() functin does not work |
| 02:12 | <bignose> | AgentC: yes, my point is to package it if you want it to behave properly in the package system. |
| 02:12 | <AgentC> | sendmail (link to xmail) works |
| 02:12 | <Black_Prince> | AgentC, postfix also works with php mail() |
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| 02:14 | <AgentC> | dunno how that happend, it was working as i made a backup of that VPS, than a spammer abused my xmailserver, i restored that backup and since that day php mail() function does not work anymore, and sendmail link was linked to exim4 wonder why |
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| 02:15 | <AgentC> | Black_Prince: but only 1 mailer can access to pop3/smtp ports |
| 02:17 | <AgentC> | I Think it would be enough to remove that exim4-base package, but when i try - dpkg/aptitude wants to install another mailer |
| 02:17 | <AgentC> | how to manage this ? |
| 02:17 | <Black_Prince> | remove exim4-daemon-light first or whatever |
| 02:18 | <AgentC> | as result it wants to install another daemon in same step :-/ |
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| 02:18 | <Black_Prince> | well, those programs provide a mta virtual package which seems to be depended on by some program |
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| 02:44 | <AgentC> | hmpf. kde hanged the cpu :( |
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| 03:39 | <Helel> | hi to everyone |
| 03:39 | <Helel> | I'm in pain with my wifi connection |
| 03:40 | <Helel> | I've got an ipad and I tried to share internet connection between my computer and my apple device |
| 03:40 | <Helel> | I create a bridge but it doesn't work at all |
| 03:41 | <Helel> | so I'm searching a different way to operate |
| 03:41 | <Helel> | if I ping 192.168.0.2 (the ipad2) |
| 03:41 | <Helel> | it respond just if I create an ad-hoc connection without any type of bridge |
| 03:42 | <Helel> | it connect to wlan0 |
| 03:42 | <Helel> | my computer with debian, with 2.4.39-2 pae in 686 platform |
| 03:43 | <Helel> | is connected at internet through cable |
| 03:43 | <Helel> | and I need to share the internet connection from eth0 to wlan0 |
| 03:44 | <Helel> | eth0 is 192.168.1.2 and it connect to my router that's 192.168.1.1 and it is not wireless |
| 03:44 | <Helel> | someone can help me ? :-) |
| 03:44 | <Helel> | many thanks |
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| 03:44 | <Fudgey> | has anybody received any spam from a google.com email? |
| 03:45 | <Helel> | yeah me but just in a non-gmail account |
| 03:45 | <Helel> | it's a fake address from a remailer |
| 03:46 | <Helel> | gmail drops and remove the emails of the ones that steal identities |
| 03:46 | <Helel> | think about it ;) |
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| 03:47 | <Helel> | however ... someone can help me for the question i've asked a little ago ? |
| 03:47 | <Helel> | pleaseeeee ... |
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| 03:48 | <Fudgey> | my mail was: http://paste.ubuntu.com/643094/ |
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| 03:49 | <Fudgey> | i dont know about your question Helel sorry |
| 03:49 | <Helel> | don't worry |
| 03:49 | <Helel> | but are you sure its spam ? |
| 03:50 | <Fudgey> | no but i would suspect so |
| 03:50 | <Helel> | because Rupali B. is a developer of android |
| 03:50 | <Fudgey> | what is OSS? |
| 03:50 | <Fudgey> | anyone in here would know im not a programmer so perhaps he is misinformed |
| 03:51 | <Helel> | eheheh |
| 03:51 | <Helel> | oss means open source software |
| 03:51 | <Helel> | of course :) |
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| 03:51 | <Helel> | maybe he's searching something else |
| 03:51 | <Helel> | that isn't a programmer |
| 03:51 | <Helel> | like a beta tester |
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| 03:52 | <Helel> | someone that's pleased to install android in his/her system |
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| 03:53 | <Helel> | and the only OS i work with are linux (only with Debian or Linux From Scratch based however on Debian minimal) |
| 03:53 | <Helel> | and ios 4.3.3 for the tablet |
| 03:53 | <Helel> | the ipad |
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| 03:54 | <Helel> | so I cannot be a beta tester for android (that is based on linux whatever ...) |
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| 04:15 | <damilano> | ciao |
| 04:15 | <damilano> | !list |
| 04:15 | <dpkg> | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 04:15 | <babilen> | dpkg! |
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| 04:36 | <fosser_josh> | hello hackers, i am configuring proxy server in my college network, i am trying to setup nat using iptable and i used these commands 1> "/sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" 2> "/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT 3> "/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT" but its not working. please help me |
| 04:37 | <fosser_josh> | even i changed net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
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| 04:38 | <fosser_josh> | i am using debian squezz |
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| 04:56 | <shanet> | Hey guys, I have 2 HDDs on my computer, and I require a password to mount the other one, however when I insert an external HDD it does not require a password? I guess this is because internal is connected via SATA and external via USB, however is there any way to make it so I do not need a password to mount the internal HDD? |
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| 04:59 | <weasel> | just always mount it? edit /etc/fstab |
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| 05:21 | <shanet> | weasel: I use the utility provided with debian. However it prompts me for a password. |
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| 05:28 | <Fudgey> | its your sudo or root password to grant permission, if as suggested you use /etc/fstab to mount at boot a hard drive which is always presnet it will be available with a password being needed. |
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| 05:29 | <fosser_josh> | hello hackers, i am configuring proxy server in my college network, i am trying to setup nat using iptable and i used these commands 1> "/sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" 2> "/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT 3> "/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT" but its not working. please help me |
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| 05:33 | <diceroll> | What kind of "permission" is granted to a user in the group : disk ? |
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| 05:36 | <diceroll> | cause maybe shanet can add his user to this group and avoid the password prompt... it s just an idea i dont really know what im talking about :) |
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| 05:38 | <rpetre> | diceroll: storage devices are made with disk gid, so they might access the disks directly. not sure if it's a good idea to grant that to users lightly |
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| 05:42 | <rpetre> | there's some udev->hal->dbus->pmount magic that can be done to allow regular users to mount usb drives, but i'm not very familiar with the toolset |
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| 05:44 | <sushi_> | #computer |
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| 05:50 | <lorenzo> | Hello, I have a problem with my server. Every 12/14 day it make a automatically reboot and I don't know why. Which is the log with wroten the last operation made bafore reboot? |
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| 05:56 | <DistroJockey> | lorenzo, /var/log/syslog.1 is probably worth a look |
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| 05:58 | <fosser_josh> | hello all |
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| 05:58 | <fosser_josh> | i am trying setup nat on debian 6 but its nt working |
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| 05:59 | <fosser_josh> | i run following commands |
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| 05:59 | <fosser_josh> | 1) /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 05:59 | <fosser_josh> | 2) /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 06:00 | <fosser_josh> | 3) /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 06:00 | <fosser_josh> | please help me |
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| 06:04 | <rpetre> | fosser_josh: if your external interface is eth0, the internal is eth1, you have ip_forward on and there's no other firewall rules blocking, you should be good (for the usual values of "not working") |
| 06:04 | <Fudgey> | is there a pulseaudio dummy package? |
| 06:05 | <fosser_josh> | rpetre: i had unbled ip forwarding. how can disable other rules |
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| 06:05 | <rpetre> | fosser_josh: rule number one should also have -s 192.168.0.0/24 or whatever network class you're using in the LAN, it might mess up your router's own connections |
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| 06:08 | <fosser_josh> | rpetre: i had enabled ip forwarding |
| 06:09 | <fosser_josh> | rpetre: my net got disconnected can u tell me set of instructions again if i missed any thing |
| 06:09 | <rpetre> | fosser_josh: in this case, you may want to investigate better how it's not working and provide more details |
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| 06:11 | <fosser_josh> | rpetre: when i am trying to access google.com from internal network say from 192.168.1.3 then it says host not found, but on server i can access internet or google.com |
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| 06:12 | <rpetre> | what nameserver is 192.168.1.3 using? |
| 06:13 | <rpetre> | please try a traceroute to a numeric ip |
| 06:13 | <fosser_josh> | well i kept network on dhcp |
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| 06:14 | <fosser_josh> | so in /etc/hosts i dnt find any nameserver its just a localhost entries are der |
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| 06:15 | <rpetre> | you may want to find a networking tutorial and follow it with a bit more attention, there are some steps you skipped |
| 06:16 | <Rehnquist> | hi peeps, i'm trying to set up a home irc server on squeeze, are there any good tools/guides out there? |
| 06:16 | <weasel> | (make it stop hurt) |
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| 06:16 | <fosser_josh> | rpetre: i can ping from 192.168.1.3 to 162.168.1.1 but cant ping to google.com |
| 06:16 | <fosser_josh> | this is the problem |
| 06:16 | <rpetre> | fosser_josh: and please don't message people in private, it's considered impolite |
| 06:17 | <fosser_josh> | k |
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| 06:17 | <bernat> | Rehnquist: install an irc daemon package and I guess that's almost everything you have to do, and read the readme |
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| 06:19 | <rpetre> | the problem is you started dhcp without making sure your routing/nat works, that your name resolution is uncertain and that you're extremely unfamiliar with the whole process. take it slow and one step at a time, then come ask if you have specific problems |
| 06:19 | <weasel> | and listen to people and try what they ask you to try. |
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| 06:25 | <fosser_josh> | rpetre: i tried this manual http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html |
| 06:25 | <Fudgey> | Rehnquist what ircd pacakge |
| 06:25 | <fosser_josh> | for nat settings |
| 06:26 | <rpetre> | from the "make it stop hurt" department, i've been trying to get urxvt to display fonts the same as gtk with no succes. are there some font magicks i need to do to make them crisper? |
| 06:29 | <fosser_josh> | rpetre: what else u need information so that u can porperly help me to find out soution |
| 06:30 | <rpetre> | fosser_josh: you need to learn a bit more about networking, because copy-pasting commands will be unlikely to help |
| 06:30 | <fosser_josh> | k |
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| 06:32 | <rpetre> | if you can't find someone to teach you, try reading http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO-5.html (just the concepts, don't try the commands there since they're too generic and mostly obsolete) |
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| 06:32 | <rpetre> | and come back when you think you can isolate the individual components (IP, routing, firewall, name resolution) |
| 06:33 | <rpetre> | otherwise we'll just keep guessing and a solution you'll happen to stumble upon won't last long |
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| 06:37 | <fosser_josh> | this is my network interface file http://pastebin.com/8XZARRSh |
| 06:38 | <fosser_josh> | i had enabled ip forwarding on server |
| 06:39 | <fosser_josh> | i done it before it was working |
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| 06:39 | <fosser_josh> | but now i dont know what happend this time |
| 06:39 | <fosser_josh> | stucking into setting up iptables |
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| 06:41 | <fosser_josh> | i tried to setup these rules http://pastebin.com/LcSdM7NR |
| 06:41 | <fosser_josh> | after setting up its nt working |
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| 06:42 | <dattebayo> | how can i change Splash-Screen? |
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| 06:45 | <joar> | dattebayo Splash-Screen for gnome ? kde ? or the boot splash screen ? |
| 06:46 | <dattebayo> | gnome |
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| 06:52 | <gnugr> | dattebayo: through your startup-manager disable splash screen themes |
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| 07:15 | <zalaey> | where'd dselect go? |
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| 07:15 | <themill> | !slap zalaey |
| 07:15 | * | dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across zalaey's face |
| 07:15 | <themill> | zalaey: dpkg came back from holiday so dselect is sulking because he's now unloved |
| 07:16 | <zalaey> | themill: but i like talking to dselect more ;p |
| 07:16 | <abrotman> | no one really likes talking to dselect ... |
| 07:16 | <zalaey> | themill: yeahi noticed, signed off with ouch that hurt |
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| 07:18 | <debianbest> | how can I set up my system to carry out some commands everytime the system shuts down? (i.e. like rc.local for shutting down instead of for booting up) |
| 07:20 | <abrotman> | debianbest: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net |
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| 07:20 | <debianbest> | abrotman: in ubuntu they don't answer debian related questions |
| 07:20 | <babilen> | heh |
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| 07:21 | <abrotman> | debianbest: --> debianbest (~ubuntu@53.Red-88-19-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #debian .. you sure oyu're not using ubuntu ? |
| 07:21 | <streuner_> | debianbest: why do you use a ubuntu live CD? :-) |
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| 07:22 | <bernat> | silly assumption |
| 07:22 | <debianbest> | abrotman: I am using ubuntu on this computer, but intend to do that in other computer that's using debian |
| 07:22 | <abrotman> | not silly, but an assumption |
| 07:22 | <debianbest> | streuner_: why do you think I am using a live CD? |
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| 07:23 | <abrotman> | debianbest: you create a script, place it in /etc/init.d/ then link to it from /etc/rc0.d/ and/or /etc/rc6.d/ .. have a nice day! |
| 07:23 | <debianbest> | abrotman: why didn't they include an easier way such as the rc.local thing? |
| 07:23 | <babilen> | !tell debianbest -about init script |
| 07:23 | <zalaey> | when debian install broke earlier and i was looking why i used a gentoo live cd on a usb since it fits non my usb driver |
| 07:24 | <abrotman> | debianbest: an init script is easy |
| 07:24 | <debianbest> | babilen: thank you :) |
| 07:25 | -!- | Guest1960 is now known as lipfi |
| 07:25 | <debianbest> | abrotman: the difficult thing is following the protocol (i.e. make it compliant to the constraints defined to design it) |
| 07:25 | <abrotman> | i suppose .. |
| 07:25 | <debianbest> | abrotman: I mean, including those headers and all that and respecting the order (the numbers of the script is that which confuses me) |
| 07:25 | <abrotman> | !lsb tags |
| 07:25 | <dpkg> | From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 07:25 | <themill> | debianbest: machines are probably more likely to go down because of unexpected problems (power failures, crashes whatever) so actually requiring something to happen on shutdown is a problem. You normally deal with things on next start-up instead. |
| 07:25 | <babilen> | debianbest: Just base it on the skeleton and make sure you get the lsb tags right. Not that hard, but something to keep in mind. |
| 07:26 | <abrotman> | good practice anyway! |
| 07:26 | <babilen> | debianbest: What is it you want to do? |
| 07:26 | <zalaey> | was really annoying actually i couldn't log in as anyone. on any of the linux installs on the computer. |
| 07:26 | <debianbest> | dpkg: that's what I am talking about, I get lost when it comes to all that headers thing |
| 07:26 | <dpkg> | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, debianbest |
| 07:27 | <zalaey> | debianbest: dpkg i sa bot you can ask things of |
| 07:27 | <babilen> | debianbest: dpkg is a bot, there is not point in trying to have a meaningful conversation with it. |
| 07:27 | <zalaey> | debianbest: try /msg dpkg random_key_word |
| 07:27 | <abrotman> | babilen: untrue! |
| 07:27 | <babilen> | abrotman: ;-D |
| 07:27 | <abrotman> | dpkg: marry me |
| 07:27 | <dpkg> | but I've been playing The Sims all day, and I've finally got enough friendship points to propose to someone else... |
| 07:27 | <babilen> | ... |
| 07:27 | <debianbest> | okay, I'll need some time to get used to how this channel works. Please, have some patience with me (you'll need it) |
| 07:28 | <babilen> | Anyway, what are you *really* trying to achieve, debianbest? If we knew that we might be able to give better advice. It might just be that you are solving a xy problem ... |
| 07:29 | <lipfi> | hey guys, does anyone know if there is a way to have 2 ethernet devices in the same subnet but with 2 different hostnames? are there any keywords i should look up? |
| 07:29 | <debianbest> | babilen: nevermind, I just want to have a good methodology in order to achieve a set of eventual {xy's} that would profit from executing at shutdown |
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| 07:30 | <babilen> | debianbest: That sentence contained almost no useful information :) |
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| 07:30 | <abrotman> | babilen: "good methodology" :) |
| 07:30 | <babilen> | lipfi: Different IPs? |
| 07:30 | <debianbest> | babilen: what I am really trying to tell you is that there's no specific xy , xy could be a number of things that I might eventually need. To sum up, xy is an undefined variable at this moment, right? :) |
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| 07:31 | <abrotman> | lipfi: eh .. why would you do that? why not give the same hostname to the same device? |
| 07:31 | <themill> | debianbest: you don't worry about the numbering, just on what the script depends on |
| 07:31 | <debianbest> | abrotman: I could say "good modus operandi" if you prefer :) |
| 07:31 | <abrotman> | erm .. two hostnames to the same device |
| 07:31 | <lipfi> | jepp, i want to create 3 hosts out of one with ethernet devices, is this possible? |
| 07:31 | <abrotman> | debianbest: makes you sound a bit .. criminal :) |
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| 07:32 | <debianbest> | abrotman: would it be okay if I had said "method" instead of "methodology"? xD |
| 07:32 | <abrotman> | methodology was fine |
| 07:32 | <abrotman> | debianbest: but what themill said may have more value to you .. you can't always count on a graceful shutdown .. |
| 07:33 | <babilen> | lipfi: Why? It is one host :) -- Is this not better handled by, for example, VirtualHosts in apache, or whatever you are actually trying to achieve. |
| 07:33 | <babilen> | debianbest: All I am saying is that it is hard to *really* help you if you don't tell us what you actually want to do. |
| 07:33 | <debianbest> | abrotman: 95% of the time I shutdown the PC myself (i.e. no hangup), so that's not really gonna be a problem, depending on what you are trying to achieve |
| 07:34 | <themill> | (actually, "methodology" is not fine; "method" would be fine) |
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| 07:34 | <abrotman> | themill == grammar terrorist! |
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| 07:34 | <debianbest> | babilen: to give you an example, I might want to invoke tar to do something everytime the PC is shut down |
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| 07:35 | <abrotman> | ugh |
| 07:35 | <babilen> | debianbest: Whatfor? |
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| 07:35 | <debianbest> | babilen: that doesn't really matter, nor is it pertinent to the problem |
| 07:35 | <babilen> | That sounds like an incredibly bad idea, but please continue |
| 07:35 | <babilen> | debianbest: How so? |
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| 07:35 | <themill> | debianbest: irc doesn't deal with hypotheticals. Please ask concrete questions so you can get concrete answers. |
| 07:36 | <themill> | !xyproblem |
| 07:36 | <dpkg> | [xyproblem][xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
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| 07:36 | <babilen> | debianbest: I think that the best help can be provided if your discourse partner actually understands what you are trying to achieve. |
| 07:36 | <lipfi> | babilen: i want the network to believe there are 3 individual boxes, bec. i have to book 3 ip's fro the network admin :-) |
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| 07:36 | <babilen> | themill: thank you, I was about to invoke to too |
| 07:36 | <babilen> | lipfi: Assign three different IPs to the three devices then? |
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| 07:36 | <abrotman> | lipfi: you can give three IPs to one device |
| 07:37 | <babilen> | Or that ... |
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| 07:37 | <abrotman> | or three hostnames to one system |
| 07:37 | <babilen> | lipfi: But I understand that you actually have more than one NIC in the box, or did I misunderstood that? |
| 07:38 | <lipfi> | abortman: so just setting up 3 ips and adding them to /etc/host will fit? |
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| 07:38 | <debianbest> | I disagree with that. If someone tells that he wants to execute tar at shutdown, it really does not matter all the "what for's", "why's" or whether "it is a good/bad idea". You just find a method to accomplish that (i.e. the execution of xy - or tar or whatever -). The solution to the problem doesn't depend on all the other questions you have raised. I hate to sound just as if I were dpkg's husband, but this is how I view things |
| 07:38 | <abrotman> | lipfi: i assume you have some internal DNS or something? or resolving via netbios? |
| 07:38 | <lipfi> | babilen: jeah i have 3 nics |
| 07:39 | <babilen> | lipfi: Give them all a different IP and configure your DNS in such a way that the hostnames associated with the IPs differ. |
| 07:39 | <themill> | debianbest: executing tar at shutdown would be a bad plan for a lot of reasons and we would try to offer better options for you instead. That's the way we view things. |
| 07:40 | <debianbest> | themill: if your life doesn't depend on the 5% of the time your system shuts down inappropiatedly , it might not be such a bad idea |
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| 07:41 | <zeus> | Hi all, i'm under squeeze and i'm running a little postfix + spamassassin server. i'd like to write a rule to raise spam score (+2.0) to all email coming from vsmtp[0-9]*.tin.it. I've added this rule "header TIN_DESPAM Received =~ /\bvsmtp[0-9]*.tin.it\b/i" to /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf but it seems spamassassin is ignoring this rule. Can anyone help me please? |
| 07:41 | <babilen> | debianbest: What do you plan to tar during the shutdown and what will you use it for? |
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| 07:41 | <themill> | debianbest: 5%? you're doing well. I think I've probably only cleanly shut down a linux machine a handful of times in the last few years. Normally they run till the go bang. |
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| 07:43 | <debianbest> | themill: I shutdown my PC everytime I go to bed |
| 07:43 | <debianbest> | babilen: I already answered your question |
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| 07:43 | <Skills_> | same here dude |
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| 07:44 | <themill> | debianbest: anyway, context will let us help; I can't be bothered fighting with you to try to understand what you're doing any more so do enjoy reading the information on lsb tags for init scripts yourself. |
| 07:44 | <Skills_> | hey a quest. to u ppl |
| 07:45 | <Skills_> | when using IRC how to hide u r IP address |
| 07:45 | <Skills_> | ? |
| 07:45 | <debianbest> | themill: that's what I am doing right now (i.e. printing what dpkg asked me to read) |
| 07:45 | <babilen> | debianbest: I give up, have a nice day and good luck! |
| 07:45 | <debianbest> | babilen: I hope you don't get angry at me. I think you've been of good help, I am printing the documents you requested dpkg to highlight |
| 07:45 | <lipfi> | babilen: the main idea is the following: we have a small research room at university and need the admin to believe that there are 3 desktop pcs in order to get ips allocated :-) |
| 07:46 | <themill> | Skills_: you might like to ask in #oftc or in #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net (or in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net, which ever is more appropriate) |
| 07:46 | <Skills_> | ok dude thnks |
| 07:47 | <debianbest> | themill: given the generic nature of Skills_'s question, why would it be more appropiate at #ubunto than at #debian ? |
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| 07:47 | <babilen> | lipfi: Well, you have three NICs -- either assign different IPs or send out DHCP requests with different/no hostname. Is the admin not cooperative? |
| 07:47 | <themill> | debianbest: because he's not running debian... |
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| 07:48 | <debianbest> | themill: and do you think such a fact implies that whatever he is trying to achieve is going to have a different solution in ubuntu as compared to debian?¿ |
| 07:49 | <themill> | debianbest: can we not go through this? this network does not offer cloaks, freenode does and #ubuntu, which will provide him with ubuntu support will be able to help him. In fact, I'd put money on him running some crappy leet hacker derivative of ubuntu ... |
| 07:50 | <lipfi> | babilen: we already have one ip and need 2 more for our netbooks, there is no wlan in this part of the building. we don not have the netbooks here right now |
| 07:50 | <babilen> | debianbest: No, but it means that the question is off-topic in here *even* if (s)he were asking about an administration problem. |
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| 07:51 | <babilen> | lipfi: Ah, you basically want to hand out addresses to your netbooks from your own machine? |
| 07:51 | <zalaey> | anyone happen to know what package would contain scanpci? |
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| 07:51 | <babilen> | lipfi: Can't you just give them addresses yourself and route the traffic through the machine that is "officially" connected? |
| 07:52 | <babilen> | lipfi: Are the netbooks connection wirelessly to the "router" or wired? If the latter: why can't they request addresses themselves? |
| 07:53 | <lipfi> | babilen: no, we want the admin to believe there are 3 hosts totay. he wants to avoid that people request for ips they dont need. |
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| 07:54 | <babilen> | lipfi: Why can't you request three addresses? One for each NIC? |
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| 07:55 | <lipfi> | babilen: ok, so this is possible? :-) |
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| 07:57 | <lipfi> | babilen: thx alot the solution was so easy ;D |
| 07:57 | <jak0> | i have a problem usin the facebook plugin for pidgin |
| 07:58 | <jak0> | i have squeeze |
| 07:58 | <jak0> | i installed the plugin for pidgin and it doesnt work properly |
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| 08:02 | <abrotman> | jak0: don't use it .. setup the XMPP stuff instead |
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| 08:03 | <abrotman> | jak0: that fb plugin is buggy as hell |
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| 08:04 | <jak0> | yes |
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| 08:05 | <abrotman> | jak0: did you choose a username for facebook? |
| 08:05 | <abrotman> | like facebook.com/jak0 ? or whatever it might be? |
| 08:05 | <jak0> | yes i know it and im trying to eneble |
| 08:06 | <jak0> | ok now it is working... thx |
| 08:06 | <abrotman> | okay ... |
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| 08:09 | <jak0> | i have another problem with debian updates.... when i update the os i get sometimes a bot error |
| 08:09 | <abrotman> | a bot error? |
| 08:09 | <jak0> | and it doesnt start at all |
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| 08:10 | <jak0> | like an exception or somthing |
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| 08:10 | <abrotman> | we'd hve to know what it says |
| 08:10 | <jak0> | i have an old comuter.. |
| 08:10 | <jak0> | a p4 |
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| 08:11 | <abrotman> | still have to know what it says |
| 08:11 | <jak0> | ok |
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| 08:11 | <jak0> | at this time im disabling the security updates |
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| 08:11 | <abrotman> | that's not good |
| 08:12 | <jak0> | i know.. |
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| 08:13 | <jak0> | how can i fread the error messege, it is impossible! |
| 08:14 | <jak0> | i just can understand little |
| 08:14 | <jak0> | or nothing |
| 08:14 | <jak0> | the beast option is not to uipdate |
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| 08:18 | <heinvd> | I would like to thank you guys, abrotman and you that guided me to get my mail server working |
| 08:18 | <heinvd> | much appeciate |
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| 08:19 | <abrotman> | we who wha? |
| 08:19 | <abrotman> | oh, the sasl guy! |
| 08:19 | <heinvd> | jip |
| 08:19 | <heinvd> | thanks for the help |
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| 08:19 | <heinvd> | i have a new problem i cant sort... lol |
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| 08:20 | <heinvd> | I have 2 websites on my server |
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| 08:20 | <heinvd> | both is set up identically, 1 works and the other doesnt |
| 08:20 | <abrotman> | same websites? |
| 08:20 | <heinvd> | i can ping 1 but the other not |
| 08:20 | <heinvd> | no different websites |
| 08:21 | <heinvd> | one located in /var/www/site1 and one in /var/www/site2 |
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| 08:21 | <heinvd> | site1 works |
| 08:21 | <heinvd> | site 2 not |
| 08:21 | <heinvd> | i then tried setting up site3 |
| 08:21 | <heinvd> | also not working |
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| 08:22 | <Bushmills> | "can't ping one" .. they both resolve to the same ip address, assuming you're using one address for both web hosts? |
| 08:22 | <heinvd> | true, yes |
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| 08:22 | <abrotman> | so NameBased VirtualHosts? |
| 08:22 | <heinvd> | that's it |
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| 08:23 | <Bushmills> | they actually do, of they are meant to do? |
| 08:23 | <heinvd> | i have a default file in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 08:23 | <heinvd> | they are set-up there |
| 08:23 | <heinvd> | using a2ensite and a2dissite |
| 08:24 | <heinvd> | my apache2.conf includes /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 08:24 | <Bushmills> | seems he's not into answering questions |
| 08:24 | <heinvd> | and if i look at the 000-default a2ensite creates there, its identical to the other |
| 08:24 | <Bushmills> | oh well |
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| 08:24 | <abrotman> | hehe |
| 08:25 | <Mascarada> | hola |
| 08:25 | <abrotman> | heinvd: is this a public server that we can attempt to contact? |
| 08:25 | <Mascarada> | hi |
| 08:25 | <heinvd> | bushmills: yes, both sites, 1 ip |
| 08:25 | <heinvd> | its public, yes |
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| 08:25 | <jm_> | i thought the idea was to create individual files in /etc/apache2/sites-available and a2ensite then symlinks to that |
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| 08:26 | <Bushmills> | "they both resolve to the same ip address?" "they actually do, of they are meant to do?" have you tested? |
| 08:26 | <heinvd> | jm_: i done that initially... then reverted back to 1 config file for the vhosts |
| 08:26 | <abrotman> | jm_: it is |
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| 08:26 | <heinvd> | bushmills: they meant to... but only site1 does |
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| 08:27 | <Bushmills> | so don't bother about your web server. see that the other host name resolved to your ip address first |
| 08:27 | <Bushmills> | resolves |
| 08:28 | <heinvd> | bushmills: i have site 2 setup in the dns server same as site 1.... but still it does not resolve... |
| 08:28 | <heinvd> | done the same with site 3 , also with no luck |
| 08:29 | <Bushmills> | yes, that's why i suggested to fix that first |
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| 08:29 | <Bushmills> | and it's not a matter of luck, but of configuration |
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| 08:30 | <heinvd> | bushmills: lol.... true that... |
| 08:30 | <heinvd> | to give me some direction, where can i start looking for the error? |
| 08:31 | <Bushmills> | name server setup. zone file. or, a cached negative in your resolver. |
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| 08:32 | <Kolt> | Hi! How do I enable 3d acceleration ? |
| 08:32 | <abrotman> | in what, with what? |
| 08:32 | <heinvd> | brb |
| 08:33 | <Kolt> | debian. I dunno. I just cannot run openGL apps due to 'segmentation fault' |
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| 08:33 | <Kolt> | I have an ATI mobility radeon x700 using 'radeon' driver |
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| 08:34 | <Kolt> | I think so |
| 08:34 | <rpetre> | heinvd: dig +trace is a wonderful tool ;) |
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| 08:34 | <toto42> | exit |
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| 08:35 | <heinvd> | great... i dont have dig or trace installed |
| 08:35 | <heinvd> | lol |
| 08:36 | <heinvd> | those zone files are located in /etc/bind right? |
| 08:36 | <Bushmills> | they are located where you bind configuration specifies them to be |
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| 08:46 | <heinvd> | i pasted my entry for the domain that does not work in http://paste.debian.net/122772/ |
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| 08:48 | <heinvd> | that gets created by Hetzner using the server robot login |
| 08:50 | <damie> | I've tried installing php-mysql but will not install because I have php-common version squeeze3 and not squeeze1 how do I solve this problem ? |
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| 08:51 | <vmassuchetto> | I need some environment variables set for the scripts being run by the crontab. Where's the right place to set them? |
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| 08:52 | <jm_> | damie: do you have security in sources.lists? |
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| 08:52 | <abrotman> | vmassuchetto: in the script itself? |
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| 08:53 | <jm_> | vmassuchetto: you can set them in the crontab files |
| 08:53 | <billy_e> | hello, can someone please help me with installing aircrack-ng? |
| 08:53 | <vmassuchetto> | abrotman, python scripts cant set some environment variables |
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| 08:53 | <vmassuchetto> | vmassuchetto, like, just before the script i want to get those variables? |
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| 08:54 | <jm_> | vmassuchetto: talking to yourself? man 5 crontab |
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| 08:54 | <vmassuchetto> | jm_, yeah... ridiculous... =) |
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| 09:06 | <ustunozgur> | Is there a way to tell dpkg to install dependencies for a custom .deb file, like gdebi does? |
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| 09:07 | <themill> | ustunozgur: "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" |
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| 09:07 | <Kolt> | Hi! I have a sound problem. I have no sound from the headphone jack. When I plug the headphones the speakers mute and there's no sound. |
| 09:07 | <themill> | (or use gdebi) |
| 09:07 | <ustunozgur> | themill: ah, thanks, nice trick |
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| 09:08 | <ustunozgur> | The reason I hesitated using gdebi was gdebi doesn't come preinstalled, I guess |
| 09:08 | <themill> | ustunozgur: note that this approach doesn't verify that the dependencies are actually available prior to unpacking the package. i.e. you can make mess that is fun to clean up later. |
| 09:08 | <themill> | ustunozgur: using apt is a much better solution |
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| 09:09 | <ustunozgur> | hmm, ok in that case I should use something like deb file:/path/to/file unstable main contrib non-free in my apt repo list, right? |
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| 09:10 | <themill> | dpkg: tell ustunozgur about own repo |
| 09:11 | * | gnugr wonders why should use unstable repos for no reason |
| 09:11 | <ustunozgur> | themill: OK, thank you. |
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| 09:14 | <ustunozgur> | Is there an advantage to signing custom packages if it's for internal use? |
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| 09:20 | <vidkun> | i want to get rid of the synaptic packet manager cause it's buggy as hell, but when i tried purging it apt-get also wanted to kill gnome, which i certainly do not want to do...suggestions? |
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| 09:24 | <themill> | vidkun: you need to mark the bits of gnome you want to keep as being "manually installed". aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~RRecommends:^gnome$'; aptitude remove synaptic |
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| 09:27 | <gnugr> | vidkum: why you should remove it? synapric manager is to warn you about mess you did with sources.list |
| 09:27 | <vidkun> | themill: hm, tried that but apt still wants to remove gnome |
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| 09:28 | <vidkun> | gnugr: synaptic is no longer in agreement with apt about which packages to install, it also crashes |
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| 09:28 | <gnugr> | ok if it craches, sorry |
| 09:29 | <rpetre> | vidkun: otoh, you can just not use it :) |
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| 09:29 | <Bushmills> | vidkun: gnome is just a meta package. no real loss if that gets removed lest you keep the package it depends on |
| 09:29 | <vidkun> | rpetre: it's popping up an annoying notification by default about 3 packages it wants to install |
| 09:30 | <rpetre> | vidkun: that's not synaptic |
| 09:30 | <rpetre> | it's update-notifier |
| 09:30 | <Bushmills> | !aptitude |
| 09:30 | <dpkg> | i guess aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 09:30 | <rpetre> | and it's a bit stupid, indeed |
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| 09:30 | <vidkun> | rpetre: so i should kill update-notifier instead? |
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| 09:31 | <rpetre> | yeah |
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| 09:31 | <vidkun> | and that wouldn't break anything essential? |
| 09:32 | <rpetre> | it's just a reporting utility |
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| 09:32 | <Bushmills> | even the while of gnome desktop environment is not considerd "essential" :D |
| 09:32 | <Bushmills> | whole |
| 09:32 | <rpetre> | at worst you won't get periodic package refreshes |
| 09:32 | <ricardocopano> | i good morning |
| 09:32 | <ricardocopano> | i need a help |
| 09:33 | <Bushmills> | medical attention? |
| 09:33 | <Bushmills> | ambulance coming |
| 09:33 | <babilen> | ricardocopano: What is your problem? |
| 09:33 | <ricardocopano> | :) |
| 09:33 | <vidkun> | update-notifier was easier to get rid of, thanks |
| 09:33 | <ricardocopano> | i´m try configure domain server... server's role (logon server) conflicts with share-level |
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| 09:34 | <themill> | vidkun: sounds like what you really need to do is to convince apt to be more happy... |
| 09:34 | <Bushmills> | logon server? share level? |
| 09:34 | <Bushmills> | sounds very microsoftish |
| 09:35 | <rpetre> | themill: if you're happy and you know it, dpkg --configure -a ! |
| 09:35 | <themill> | *clap* *clap* |
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| 09:35 | <ricardocopano> | yes |
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| 09:36 | <Bushmills> | do you also have a debian related question? |
| 09:36 | <ricardocopano> | yes |
| 09:37 | <ricardocopano> | i´m try configure domain server in debian |
| 09:37 | <Bushmills> | !samba |
| 09:37 | <dpkg> | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported packages available, ask me about <bdo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
| 09:37 | <Bushmills> | !wins |
| 09:37 | <dpkg> | WINS is the Windows Internet Name Service, Microsoft's implementation of NetBIOS Name Service. For a WINS implementation on Unix-like systems, ask me about <samba>. |
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| 09:38 | <ricardocopano> | ok thanks |
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| 09:40 | <ricardocopano> | hello |
| 09:40 | <ricardocopano> | nobody in chanel #samba |
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| 09:40 | <themill> | ricardocopano: wrong network |
| 09:41 | <ricardocopano> | ? |
| 09:41 | <themill> | ricardocopano: #samba is on irc.freenode.net; this is irc.oftc.net |
| 09:41 | <ricardocopano> | i need configure a domain server, somebody help? |
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| 09:43 | <fla> | Hi |
| 09:43 | <gnugr> | ricardocopano: you need, apache2, mysql-server-5.1 , phpmyadmin and server is ready!!!! |
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| 09:45 | <fla> | I need to run a program wich requires a higer version of libc.so than the one installed on my system. Is there any way i can have two lib version installed without breaking everything ? |
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| 09:45 | <lifulinghan> | hello anyone |
| 09:45 | <abrotman> | anyone? |
| 09:46 | <abrotman> | fla: not generally |
| 09:46 | <abrotman> | fla: which libc6 do you have, which does it want? |
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| 09:46 | <lifulinghan> | sorry for my english ,my mean is all of people that at xchat |
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| 09:46 | <lifulinghan> | hehe |
| 09:47 | <fla> | abrotman: system has 2.3, progra, needs 2.9. Is there any trick ? |
| 09:47 | <fla> | maybe force a special load_library path for my program ? |
| 09:47 | <themill> | fla: upgrade to lenny and then to squeeze (running a supported release is always nice too) |
| 09:48 | <abrotman> | wtf version of Debian is that? |
| 09:48 | <abrotman> | really? etch? |
| 09:48 | <themill> | etch had 2.3.mumble |
| 09:48 | <fla> | themill, it's a special embed system, I can't update |
| 09:48 | <lifulinghan> | could me see your code? |
| 09:48 | <abrotman> | see your code? |
| 09:49 | <fla> | I'm really looking for a way to tell a program to load libraries from a specific path |
| 09:49 | <AzaToth> | I've got an question regarding rsyslog, I notice in rsyslog.conf selector-action like "kern.* -/var/log/kern.log", though I can't find in man rsyslog.conf anything defining the meaning of that dash before the filename; Do anyone of yee know what the purpose of the dash is? |
| 09:49 | <abrotman> | fla: your version of Debian hasn't had support in like three years .. why haven't you upgraded yet? |
| 09:50 | <fla> | it's a proprietary system based on debian, not made by me |
| 09:50 | <fla> | all i have is a program and a root shell |
| 09:51 | <AzaToth> | My direct suspicion is that the lone dash makes rsyslog output in both syslog and in the file given; Or am I wrong here? |
| 09:51 | <AzaToth> | (perhaps it's the other way around) |
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| 09:52 | <abrotman> | fla: but you want to mess it up with a random libc6? |
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| 09:53 | * | AzaToth glares towards themill... |
| 09:53 | * | themill glares back |
| 09:53 | <babilen> | fla: And you can not upgrade it to a later version? Does the vendor provide support for it? Can you run a chroot on that device (i.e. do you have enough disk space) ? |
| 09:53 | <fla> | abrotman: only for that single program that I need to run |
| 09:53 | <abrotman> | and you can't run it on a real server .. why? |
| 09:53 | <AzaToth> | themill: did my question make any sense? |
| 09:54 | <fla> | it's an embed device |
| 09:54 | <babilen> | fla: And it has to run on your severely outdated system? What is this program and what is the embedded system? Don't you have a different box you can run it on? |
| 09:54 | <fla> | running on arm cpu |
| 09:54 | <themill> | AzaToth: I'm actually just walking out the door of the office... |
| 09:54 | <fla> | unfortunately no :/ |
| 09:54 | <babilen> | fla: Why is that? (all my questions) |
| 09:54 | <AzaToth> | themill: excuse :-P |
| 09:56 | <fla> | babilen: it shoud be able to chroot. its this device http://www.spinetix.com/ |
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| 09:56 | <fla> | its a media player used for digital signage |
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| 09:58 | <babilen> | fla: And you are sure that you can not upgrade it to a *supported* version of Debian? Have you talked to the vendor? Is this by any chance connected to the internet? (if so → security risk) |
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| 09:58 | <babilen> | fla: Well, run your program in a chroot or try to recompile it against the libc6 version on that box. |
| 09:58 | <alazare619> | ok im trying to install firefox 5.01 from linux mint repos into debian any help guys it installs it to opt but it wont launch no matter what i do |
| 09:58 | <babilen> | fla: deboostrap will come in handy for that -- /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 09:58 | <fla> | actually, the device has the latest vendor release |
| 09:59 | <babilen> | alazare619: Why do you want to use the linux mint repositories and why do you think we would support that? |
| 09:59 | <babilen> | alazare619: do you know about http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? |
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| 09:59 | <fla> | bablient, will look at it, thanks |
| 09:59 | <fla> | babilen, sry |
| 09:59 | <alazare619> | babilen, because thats the only repository with firefox so synaptic keeps it updated? |
| 09:59 | <rpetre> | fla: my oppinion is to virtualize it and manage it as a separate server with tighter security controls |
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| 10:00 | <alazare619> | babilen, and its a debian repository |
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| 10:00 | <babilen> | fla: Pro tip: Try "bab<TAB>" in your IRC client ;) -- I would talk to the vendor. They are doing something wrong and should be made aware of that. |
| 10:00 | <fla> | yeah, figer ripped ;) |
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| 10:00 | <babilen> | alazare619: iceweasel is available in all versions of Debian. |
| 10:01 | <fla> | yeah I keep telling them, but they are stubborn |
| 10:01 | <alazare619> | babilen, iceweasel isnt supported on some sites |
| 10:01 | <babilen> | alazare619: Change the user agent in that case |
| 10:01 | <alazare619> | babilen, tried |
| 10:01 | <alazare619> | babilen, google+ catches it instantly |
| 10:03 | <babilen> | alazare619: Works fine here (IW 4.0.1) |
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| 10:03 | <babilen> | alazare619: Still, using the mint repos is definitely the wrong thing to do. If you want FF you can download it from mozilla and "install" it to /opt or in your ~ |
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| 10:04 | <rpetre> | g+ works with m.d.n's iceweasel just fine |
| 10:04 | <alazare619> | babilen, but then synaptic wont keep it updated urrrr |
| 10:04 | <rpetre> | i'm using it on both stable and testing |
| 10:05 | <alazare619> | rpetre, m.d.n's? |
| 10:05 | <rpetre> | mozilla.debian.net |
| 10:05 | <alazare619> | rpetre, whats mozilla.debian.net? |
| 10:05 | <babilen> | alazare619: I already linked you to that site -- Did you have a look? |
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| 10:06 | <babilen> | alazare619: It is the repository for newer IW versions from the Debian's mozilla team |
| 10:06 | <alazare619> | babilen, didnt see it |
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| 10:07 | <alazare619> | babilen, hmm looking at it now |
| 10:07 | <babilen> | alazare619: Please also read http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
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| 10:09 | <alazare619> | babilen, so mozilla.debian.net that is more or less the official iceweasel repo? |
| 10:10 | <alazare619> | babilen, is "RELEASE" the current debian build or is that the current firefox build? |
| 10:10 | <babilen> | alazare619: It is *not* part of any Debian release or branch, but it is maintained by the same team as IW in Debian. |
| 10:10 | <MrFrood> | release is 5.0 |
| 10:10 | <babilen> | alazare619: Read the blog -- it is explained there. |
| 10:10 | <alazare619> | babilen, reading it now |
| 10:10 | <babilen> | alazare619: "Currently, that channel contains Iceweasel 5.0, but as soon as 6.0 is released, that’s what the “release” channel will contain." |
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| 10:11 | <alazare619> | babilen, yea i see that whatever is release with mozilla is release with them makes sense and that gives them awhile to get all the bugs worked out before the next stable debian |
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| 10:14 | <rpetre> | alazare619: release will track whatever mozilla considers the current release. or that's how i understood it (and use it) |
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| 10:15 | <rpetre> | the gentleman maintaining that repo is iceweasel maintainer in debian as well, afaik, so i'd expect it to play nice |
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| 10:20 | <alazare619> | hmmm |
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| 10:29 | <alazare619> | i really kinda feal bad knowing that all users of ubuntu never really taste how light and nimble debian really is...im honestly suprised at how much more responsive it is and just better then ubuntu... |
| 10:30 | <lindi-> | alazare619: how do you measure that? |
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| 10:30 | <Boss_227> | Ciao at all |
| 10:30 | <alazare619> | lindi-, for like every 10 users of ubuntu maybe 1 will try out debian |
| 10:31 | <lindi-> | alazare619: sure but I mean how do you measure responsiveness? |
| 10:31 | <MrFrood> | alazare619: linux is about choice |
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| 10:33 | <alazare619> | lindi-, honestly i measure it by in general boot times, processor usage when idle, time it takes to open a certain program when all other variables are the same, and running a prime test i get better results too |
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| 10:33 | <lindi-> | alazare619: that sounds very odd |
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| 10:33 | <lindi-> | alazare619: would be interesting if you could find out the cause |
| 10:34 | <fnmueller> | alazare619: well, it's not like debian is in competition with $distro for users. Who cares about ubuntu, esp. those users? (which is OT, I know, there I shut up in this # for now) |
| 10:34 | <fnmueller> | and from a technical standpoint, lindi- is correct |
| 10:34 | <lindi-> | I'm surely all for making debian more usable for my friends :) |
| 10:35 | <alazare619> | fnmueller, idk why but you would figure something that is based off something would be better but its just not necessarly the true, i just cant figure out why but all the numbers are better... |
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| 10:35 | <lindi-> | so it's not competing with some other distro for me, it's improving debian |
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| 10:36 | <lindi-> | alazare619: what prime test did you use? |
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| 10:36 | <lindi-> | alazare619: and yes, let's drop to #debian-offtopic please |
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| 10:50 | <checoimg> | alazare619, you think so alazare |
| 10:50 | <checoimg> | alazare619, i have thought of using debian |
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| 10:51 | <checoimg> | alazare619, i have mint to test it |
| 10:51 | <checoimg> | brb |
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| 10:56 | <crmbl> | why can a chroot access locations outside the chrooted environment? The chroot is /sid, I did "schroot -c /sid -p -- wine /install.exe" and wine did the following: "wine: created the configuration directory '/home/user/.wine'" outside the chroot. How can that be? |
| 10:56 | <abrotman> | dpkg: tell checoimg about netinst |
| 10:57 | <scardinal> | crmbl: you are sure it hasn't created a /home/user in your chroot env ? |
| 10:58 | <alazare619> | stupid ting wont let me upgrade to iceweasel 5.0 cause some other dependency is at 2 low of a version number |
| 10:58 | <abrotman> | alazare619: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 10:58 | <weasel> | schroot probably bind mounts /home |
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| 10:59 | <crmbl> | scardinal, /home inside the chroot is empty |
| 10:59 | <alazare619> | yea abrotman xulrunner 5.0 wont update |
| 10:59 | <crmbl> | weasel, I am not sure |
| 10:59 | <abrotman> | alazare619: i'd have to see your sources.list and the error |
| 10:59 | <alazare619> | xulrunner-5.0: |
| 10:59 | <alazare619> | Depends: libcairo2 (>=1.10.2-1.1~bpo60+1) but 1.8.10-6 is to be installed |
| 10:59 | <crmbl> | weasel, the chrooted fstab is empty |
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| 11:00 | <abrotman> | alazare619: i'd have to see your sources.list and the error |
| 11:01 | <abrotman> | in a pastebin |
| 11:01 | <abrotman> | alazare619: don't forget to aptitude update before installing |
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| 11:01 | <crmbl> | how do I just forbid the schrooted system to access any files in any way outside the chroot, something that I thought was the principle of chrooting... |
| 11:01 | <weasel> | it doesn't access anything outside the chroot. |
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| 11:02 | <weasel> | and you're not using chroot, you are using schroot. |
| 11:02 | <crmbl> | weasel, it actually did as I posted above about the .wine config dir |
| 11:02 | <weasel> | which by default bind mounts /home into the chroot. |
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| 11:02 | <weasel> | it did that in /sid/home/user |
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| 11:04 | <crmbl> | weasel, /etc/fstab and /home are empty. Where is the bind-mount defined you told me about? |
| 11:04 | <alazare619> | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/PUu18JVh |
| 11:04 | <weasel> | probably somewhere under /etc/schroot |
| 11:05 | <abrotman> | alazare619: i said before, Crunchband is NOT Debian, and not supported here, try #crunchbang-linux on irc.freenode.net, or ask me how to install Debian |
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| 11:06 | <abrotman> | ugh, and mixing in Mint packages .. that can't be good |
| 11:06 | <abrotman> | dpkg: tell alazare619 about netinst |
| 11:07 | <abrotman> | "We'll take some Ford parts, some VW parts, some Toyota parts .. and we have a car .. that goes nowhere" |
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| 11:07 | <crmbl> | weasel, in /etc/schroot/mount-defaults file systems are somehow bind-mounted on themselves... /proc on /proc, /sys on /sys and the same for /dev, /dev/pts /home and /tmp |
| 11:07 | <weasel> | you are using schroot. |
| 11:07 | <weasel> | maybe you should go and read its documentation |
| 11:08 | <crmbl> | weasel, ah got it. Sorry |
| 11:08 | <crmbl> | weasel, mount points are prefixed by the chroot path so all the stuff makes sense now |
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| 11:08 | <crmbl> | weasel, thanks for assistance :) |
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| 11:13 | <alazare619> | can someone copy all the debian repositorys on a stock install? |
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| 11:17 | <abrotman> | alazare619: i said before, Crunchband is NOT Debian, and not supported here, try #crunchbang-linux on irc.freenode.net, or ask me how to install Debian |
| 11:17 | <abrotman> | alazare619: you're going to end up banned .. either instlal Debian or get support in the correct place (this isn't it) |
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| 11:18 | <alazare619> | abrotman, i just asked for a stock source list as im trying something here |
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| 11:38 | <shiloh25> | can anyone assist me with an error |
| 11:38 | <shiloh25> | libcurl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:38 | <shiloh25> | im unable to find lib4 in the repos |
| 11:40 | <bernat> | package libcurl3 |
| 11:40 | <shiloh25> | tyvm |
| 11:40 | <shiloh25> | :-) |
| 11:40 | <shiloh25> | found it |
| 11:40 | <bernat> | np |
| 11:41 | <raboof> | next time: apt-file search libcurl.so.4 |
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| 11:41 | <shiloh25> | ahhhh, tyvm raboof |
| 11:41 | <raboof> | or use the web interface at package.debian.org |
| 11:41 | <raboof> | packages, sorry |
| 11:42 | <shiloh25> | wow, oks pen and paper, :-) |
| 11:42 | <shiloh25> | this has got to be the best learning distro in the world |
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| 12:47 | <diatribe> | my new wheezy installation has a CUPS server that expects a username and password but when i enter my main username and password i get "forbidden" and it refuses to let me try any more access to the /admin section of the CUPS server... any other login attempts are declined (there is no root user on this system)... i tried adding CUPS users and logging in with those names and passwords and they failed... information at CUPS.com's FAQ d |
| 12:47 | <diatribe> | oesn't help... so how do i access the admin section of a new CUPS installation (what is the right username and password or how do i tell CUPS what the right one is)??? thanks |
| 12:48 | <bernat> | no root? why? |
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| 12:49 | <diatribe> | no root user so there isn't an account called 'root' for some attacker to find... is it necessary for solving this problem? |
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| 12:50 | <retrospectacus> | the cups login is root and root's pw. |
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| 12:50 | <stealthboy> | hi all how do you compile wine |
| 12:51 | <retrospectacus> | stealthboy: why, there are precompiled releases |
| 12:51 | <retrospectacus> | apt-get install wine |
| 12:51 | <stealthboy> | no i mean like manual |
| 12:52 | <stealthboy> | debian i need wine on |
| 12:52 | <retrospectacus> | I know what you mean, I'm telling you you don't have to |
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| 12:52 | <stealthboy> | but if so how |
| 12:52 | <retrospectacus> | !wine |
| 12:52 | <dpkg> | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. |
| 12:52 | <retrospectacus> | hmm |
| 12:53 | <stealthboy> | look how if so give link then i will be on my way |
| 12:53 | <retrospectacus> | stealthboy: well you download the source and apt-get install build-essential and type something like ./configure && make |
| 12:53 | <retrospectacus> | winehq.org |
| 12:53 | <stealthboy> | link please |
| 12:54 | <stealthboy> | it get it |
| 12:54 | <retrospectacus> | no you don't |
| 12:54 | <stealthboy> | why |
| 12:54 | <bernat> | you don't know how to download it and you will compile it? |
| 12:54 | <abrotman> | what's wrong with the Debian wine package? |
| 12:54 | <stealthboy> | old out of date |
| 12:54 | <abrotman> | stealthboy: then go to winehq.org and figure out how to compile it .. |
| 12:55 | <abrotman> | they have lovely docs |
| 12:55 | <abrotman> | in english even! |
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| 12:56 | <stealthboy> | thank you i last ask of all of you which is better linux distro for gaming |
| 12:56 | <retrospectacus> | wineHQ also provides a line for sources.list where you can get newer versions |
| 12:57 | <stealthboy> | but which is the best linux distro for gaming |
| 12:57 | <abrotman> | stealthboy: which distro are you using now? |
| 12:58 | <stealthboy> | ubuntu for support at moment |
| 12:58 | <diatribe> | retrospectacus: is there a way via terminal to tell CUPS to allow a non-root user access? |
| 12:58 | <abrotman> | why are you asking #debian for help? |
| 12:58 | <stealthboy> | well i just want to see if you will say debian or something else for gaming |
| 12:58 | <retrospectacus> | diatribe: don't know |
| 12:59 | <stealthboy> | sorry |
| 12:59 | <retrospectacus> | stealthboy: read some phoronix articles, they are the source for linux gaming info |
| 13:00 | <diatribe> | abrotman: were you asking that of me? if so, i'm running debian and i don't see a cups channel |
| 13:00 | <stealthboy> | about my last question my freind uses debian and i want to see if it is any good for gaming but he is having a hell of a time with wine i sayed i will ask you guys for help with wine compiling so here i am |
| 13:01 | <abrotman> | diatribe: nope |
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| 13:01 | <diatribe> | :-) |
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| 13:01 | <abrotman> | and then he runs off |
| 13:01 | <retrospectacus> | someone needed to tell him that wine is not "Linux gaming" |
| 13:02 | <diatribe> | i'm sure he knows it... if not he'll figure it out |
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| 13:03 | <diatribe> | so, if i installed debian without a root user can i add it back in and have it behave like a normal root user? |
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| 13:04 | <abrotman> | retrospectacus: be better if it didn't matter which OS you were on .. oh well |
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| 13:06 | <diatribe> | i figure whichever os is better at low latency video handling.... |
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| 13:08 | <retrospectacus> | need more games built on this engine methinks http://unigine.com/ |
| 13:08 | <retrospectacus> | was checking out some videos of Oilrush - good graphics |
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| 13:09 | <retrospectacus> | unfortunately I think you need a license to develop on that engine |
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| 13:18 | <Katterin> | Hi all.. |
| 13:18 | <Katterin> | New Debian User here. |
| 13:18 | <scardinal> | Katterin: hi :) |
| 13:18 | <Katterin> | I have some questions.. since I am not having a real good time.. with Debian as of yet. |
| 13:19 | <Katterin> | How can I get / install a newer kernel? for debian.. or is grabbing one of the "Pristine" kernels and build that the best option? |
| 13:20 | <Katterin> | Hi scardinal |
| 13:20 | <Katterin> | :) |
| 13:20 | <scardinal> | Katterin: why'd you want to get a newer kernel ? |
| 13:20 | <scardinal> | usually the stock one works fine :) |
| 13:20 | <Katterin> | Because my craptop is a toshiba.. and I have to always do the ACPI=off |
| 13:20 | <Katterin> | to get it to boot |
| 13:21 | <Katterin> | and not only is that a pain.. but alot of the functionality is missing i kinda need :) |
| 13:21 | <Katterin> | when I do the ACPI=off |
| 13:21 | <scardinal> | Katterin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 13:23 | <themill> | dpkg: tell Katterin about bdo |
| 13:23 | <themill> | Katterin: there's a 2.6.38 kernel available for stable from backports.debian.org |
| 13:23 | <Katterin> | how do I enable my system to get the 2.6.38 |
| 13:23 | <Katterin> | ? |
| 13:23 | <scardinal> | themill: bdo ? short for backports.debian.org ? or ? |
| 13:24 | <scardinal> | Katterin: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 13:25 | <themill> | Katterin: have a look at what dpkg told you |
| 13:27 | <abpier> | hi, how can i restaure xserver, because it freeze before login, with dark screen and some strange caracteres ? |
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| 13:30 | <Katterin> | themill, thanks.. Will have a look.. I finally got some changes to my video card drivers.. I still have to finish that project.. |
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| 13:31 | <EmleyMoor> | How do I calculate the offset to each partition on the qemu image I am using for Debian kFreeBSD? |
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| 13:32 | <daemonkeeper> | Which image? |
| 13:33 | <daemonkeeper> | Don't know about the qemu image type, but presuming they're just raw data partitions, either manually, or if you are lazy by using kpartx |
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| 13:34 | <EmleyMoor> | It's a raw disk... You say "manually" - nothing I know is working |
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| 13:35 | <daemonkeeper> | By manually I mean, you use fdisk -l image.file, and then do mount -o offset=block_size*start_position image.file /mnt |
| 13:35 | <daemonkeeper> | However kpartx is just more convenient. |
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| 13:36 | <daemonkeeper> | (It has nothing to do with a GUI for KDE, just in case you are irritated) |
| 13:36 | <EmleyMoor> | I'm irritated but not by that. Done this many times with traditional BSD and Linux |
| 13:37 | <EmleyMoor> | How do I identify the block size? |
| 13:38 | <daemonkeeper> | fdisk prints it |
| 13:38 | <EmleyMoor> | Yes, but what does it call it? |
| 13:38 | <daemonkeeper> | sector size |
| 13:38 | <EmleyMoor> | Ah... |
| 13:39 | <daemonkeeper> | So a partition starting at position 1337 with sector size 512 results in a offset=684544 |
| 13:40 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm...not good |
| 13:41 | <EmleyMoor> | Complains about wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock... |
| 13:41 | <daemonkeeper> | Which file system are you expecting there? |
| 13:41 | <EmleyMoor> | ufs/ufs2 |
| 13:41 | <daemonkeeper> | Ah, try -t then |
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| 13:41 | <EmleyMoor> | I have |
| 13:41 | <daemonkeeper> | Your kernel has UFS support? |
| 13:42 | <EmleyMoor> | daemonkeeper: Yes. I have ufs2 and bsd4 partitions already mounted |
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| 13:42 | <Bushmills> | EmleyMoor: qcow images? |
| 13:42 | <EmleyMoor> | Bushmills: No - raw ones |
| 13:42 | <daemonkeeper> | That would be my next assumption, ye |
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| 13:44 | <Bushmills> | EmleyMoor: i suppose you could use disktype on the file, which then tells your the sector offset to the data partition |
| 13:44 | <EmleyMoor> | I can get the first partition mounted, offset 32256 |
| 13:45 | <EmleyMoor> | I could use what? |
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| 13:45 | <Bushmills> | that's 63*512 bytes |
| 13:45 | <Bushmills> | disktype. a utility |
| 13:45 | <daemonkeeper> | Or kpartx as said |
| 13:46 | <EmleyMoor> | I can't, short of actually using kpartx, make head nor tail of its output |
| 13:46 | <daemonkeeper> | But given that EmleyMoor was able to use the offset correctly for another partition, the problem might not be his calculation |
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| 13:47 | <Bushmills> | disktype would say something like "...417690 sectors from 4209030.." which would probably be a partition at byte offset 4209030*512 -> 2155023360 |
| 13:48 | <EmleyMoor> | Bushmills: I can't see how, from what the partition table says, the 63 fits - though it is what I tried because it works on all others |
| 13:48 | * | EmleyMoor is investigating disktype |
| 13:49 | <Bushmills> | EmleyMoor: about my first partition, disktype happens to say "...4208967 sectors from 63" |
| 13:49 | <EmleyMoor> | I'll see what disktype says for me |
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| 13:49 | <Bushmills> | before is track 0. mbr, boot loader, etc. 63 sectors |
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| 13:50 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm...disktype says for my first "681984 sectors from 2048" - I can't see where 2048 fits in |
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| 13:51 | <Bushmills> | try offset 2048*512 |
| 13:51 | <EmleyMoor> | No go |
| 13:51 | <EmleyMoor> | 32256 works, not 1048576 |
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| 13:53 | <Bushmills> | maybe the raw qemu image doesn't have a pc partition table, where disktype gets its data from. instead it begins its data partition after sector 63, regardless of that first sector says or contains. |
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| 13:53 | <katterine> | themill, what's the worst that could happen if I just compile a pristine kernel? and use that instead of the debian one? since I can't select it from the repo for some un-met dependency issues? |
| 13:54 | <EmleyMoor> | Bushmills: It does have one, I think |
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| 13:54 | <Bushmills> | i can tell you how to mount qcow images :) |
| 13:55 | <EmleyMoor> | Bushmills: I have to say, to do that interests me |
| 13:56 | <flakk> | couldyou help me people? I have a probmlem with my debian box. It began very strangely - I was printing a document when I noticed that my machine suggests two remote printers which I never installed. I tried to remove them through localhost:631, it did not work. I never seen such a thing, and I reinstalled my debian (it was anyway old, the lenny 2009 version). Now I have a new squeese, but the problem is still there! I havenot yet installed my |
| 13:56 | <flakk> | printer, but the two obsolete ones are already there! any help? |
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| 13:56 | <EmleyMoor> | flakk: Do you have another system on your network which used to serve those printers? |
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| 13:57 | <Bushmills> | flakk: somebody on your network may be sharing those, and your cups was configured to offer them to you |
| 13:57 | <flakk> | <EmleyMoor> - I do not know about this. That is, I do not have a network, I just use what my ISP goves me |
| 13:58 | <Bushmills> | could even be a windows machine with shared printers, though i thought that needed some explicit cups configuration to include those too |
| 13:58 | <flakk> | OK so can I get rid of these printers? |
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| 13:59 | <Bushmills> | try to tell your cups to not probe for printers of other cups |
| 13:59 | <flakk> | I have also another problem - suddenly my machine became much slower than before |
| 13:59 | <flakk> | I have now about 30% CPU taken by gtk-gnash |
| 13:59 | <flakk> | 10% by dbus-daemon |
| 14:00 | <flakk> | neve have seen this before |
| 14:00 | <Bushmills> | gnash is some flash interpreter. most likely eating performance |
| 14:00 | <Bushmills> | kill it. purge it. forget it. |
| 14:00 | <kyentei> | Close websites using flash (for videos) |
| 14:01 | <flakk> | do you mean that gnash tries to substitute for flash and therefore eats my CPU? |
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| 14:02 | <Bushmills> | whether flash plugin or gnash eats your cpu doesn't really matter |
| 14:02 | <lindi-> | flakk: well you are running a program written in actionscript |
| 14:02 | <katterine> | ok can any one answer that question for me? is it inherently a BAD idea to compile and run a "Pristine" kernel on my debian system? what will I be missing from the debian patches? |
| 14:02 | <lindi-> | katterine: bug fixes |
| 14:02 | <flakk> | lindi: I am running it?? |
| 14:02 | <lindi-> | flakk: if you install gnash and go to a website that has actionscript it will execute it |
| 14:03 | <flakk> | <Bushmills> OK I closed firefox completelyand gnash disappeared |
| 14:03 | <lindi-> | ah |
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| 14:03 | <flakk> | but I have dbus-daemon who eats 20% cpu |
| 14:03 | <Bushmills> | and suddenly - performance again :) |
| 14:03 | <katterine> | I am so new at all this kernel stuff? I really need the 2.6.38 kernel.. but for some reason I can't select it due to some dependency issues? any suggestions? |
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| 14:03 | <Bushmills> | squeeze backports has 2.6.38 kernel |
| 14:04 | <flakk> | <Bushmills> - not really - the usualterminal opens much slower than before |
| 14:04 | <funkey> | selam |
| 14:04 | <Bushmills> | much slower than before ... you killed gnash? |
| 14:04 | <abpier> | how can i restaure x, because it freeze before login, with dark screen and some strange caracteres ? |
| 14:04 | <flakk> | I mean yesterday - with lenny |
| 14:04 | <flakk> | faster though than with firefox |
| 14:05 | <Bushmills> | well, close or kill or whatever those processes which use CPU |
| 14:05 | <flakk> | what does dbus-daemon do? |
| 14:06 | <Bushmills> | it is meant to allow programs to communicate to each other with it |
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| 14:07 | <lindi-> | it also starts services on demand |
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| 14:07 | <Bushmills> | something was killed successfully |
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| 14:08 | <katterine> | lindi-, also my wireless card doesn't seem to be working with this 2.6.32 kernel... but as I mentioned before I can't get to the 2.6.38 installed from the debian repo's... any ideas ? |
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| 14:09 | <jhutchins_lt> | abpier: Can you start in rescue mode? If so, determine your chipset and what driver you should be using. |
| 14:09 | <jhutchins_lt> | abpier: It may help to disable kms, although that might leave you witout a GUI. |
| 14:09 | <jhutchins_lt> | !kms |
| 14:09 | <dpkg> | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 14:10 | <flakk> | Bushmills: I killed dbus-daemon and the screen became black )) |
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| 14:10 | <flakk> | so i better live it alive |
| 14:10 | <flakk> | leave |
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| 14:11 | <flakk> | it has disappeared though after reboot |
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| 14:12 | <Bushmills> | maybe some program using it was stuck |
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| 14:13 | <flakk> | <Bushmills> can I return to these strange printers? - do you think it can be a virus or some malicious intrusion? - i really nebver have seen this, I am about 10 years with Linux |
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| 14:13 | <Bushmills> | a virus wouldn't be the first thing i'd think of |
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| 14:13 | <flakk> | well a spy or smth like this |
| 14:14 | <Bushmills> | also not. |
| 14:14 | <flakk> | it was not here yesterday, since I printed out smth yesterday there was only 1 printer |
| 14:14 | <Bushmills> | though i can't exclude that possibility, i consider it not a very likely scenario |
| 14:15 | <Bushmills> | cups can find printers for you. on networks. maybe that's what it did. |
| 14:15 | <flakk> | well why did not it do this during 10 years?? only yesterday |
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| 14:15 | <jhutchins_lt> | I would guess that you either have a corrupt cups configuration file or possibly that there are networked printers broadcasting their availability. |
| 14:15 | <lindi-> | katterine: backports.org? |
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| 14:16 | <flakk> | <Bushmills> <jhutchins_lt> do you think it is dangerous for the security of the machine? |
| 14:17 | <katterine> | lindi-, Yep I enabled the backports repository.. |
| 14:17 | <Bushmills> | being on a network? yes, definitely. |
| 14:17 | <katterine> | but am having some dependency issues |
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| 14:17 | <retrospectacus> | katterine: make a pastebin of your command and its output: http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:18 | <katterine> | hang on |
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| 14:18 | <Bushmills> | katterine: drugs? alcohol? |
| 14:18 | <flakk> | <Bushmills> I am sorry - when you say "being on a network" do you mean connect to Internet? |
| 14:18 | <Bushmills> | flakk: such as |
| 14:18 | <katterine> | retrospectacus, I was using synaptic.. not sure what I need to install from the CLI.. hang on tho perhaps I can figure it out. |
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| 14:19 | <retrospectacus> | ,kernels |
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| 14:19 | <judd> | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 14:19 | <Bushmills> | !aptitude |
| 14:19 | <dpkg> | i guess aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 14:19 | <flakk> | <Bushmills> well I will not stop connecting to internet |
| 14:20 | <flakk> | how can I get rid of the printers? |
| 14:20 | <retrospectacus> | katterine: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo-686 ...I think, or -amd64 on the end perhaps |
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| 14:20 | <Bushmills> | flakk: ebay? |
| 14:20 | <flakk> | never visited ebay |
| 14:20 | <flakk> | I was printing out a train timetable |
| 14:21 | <flakk> | today and probably it was at this moment |
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| 14:21 | <flakk> | that these printers appeared |
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| 14:21 | <Bushmills> | if those printers are real, and not yours, maybe trying to print 1000 pages of pitch black results in whoever shares them unknowingly to cease doing so. |
| 14:21 | <retrospectacus> | katterine: what I put there is not the correct package name. Use apt-cache search linux-image to see what it's called - you want the 2.6.38 bpo one |
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| 14:22 | <katterine> | http://paste.debian.net/122794/ |
| 14:22 | <katterine> | retrospectacus, |
| 14:23 | <flakk> | <Bushmills> is it not possible to tell my cups to uninstall them? |
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| 14:24 | <Bushmills> | you could tell your cups to not offer you printers which haven't been configured on that particular cups |
| 14:24 | <flakk> | how does one do this? |
| 14:24 | <Bushmills> | by running through its configuration. i forgot where and how. |
| 14:25 | <flakk> | ok how do you configure your CUPS in general? |
| 14:25 | <retrospectacus> | katterine: try this: sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 linux-base firmware-linux-free |
| 14:25 | <flakk> | I can do nothing through the localhost |
| 14:25 | <retrospectacus> | katterine: probably more errors - pastebin |
| 14:25 | <Bushmills> | either through its http interface, on port 631, or editing its config files, or using the one or other cups frontend |
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| 14:26 | <katterine> | retrospectacus, it's fetching files. and installing.. wierd |
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| 14:26 | <retrospectacus> | katterine: right on. Just needed to tell it to get those other packs from bpo as well |
| 14:28 | <retrospectacus> | flakk: you could also try: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh <package> where <package> is cups, cups-client, cups-common and/or cups-server |
| 14:28 | <flakk> | <Bushmills> I am now on the localhost 631 page - actually the address of these printers is visible |
| 14:28 | <flakk> | and the totality of the printed documents... |
| 14:28 | <katterine> | retrospectacus, http://paste.debian.net/122795/ |
| 14:28 | <katterine> | I dont' quite understand what happened? |
| 14:29 | <retrospectacus> | it's just warning you that your disk names may change in /dev if you have a HP Smart Array raid controller |
| 14:29 | <katterine> | ahhh |
| 14:30 | <retrospectacus> | meaning you'd have to change /etc/fstab or other configs |
| 14:30 | <katterine> | ok now something new.. I'm sorry would you be so kind as to help me figure this new one out? http://paste.debian.net/122796/ |
| 14:31 | <retrospectacus> | I think after you reboot into the new kernel you will need to update your radeon video drivers |
| 14:31 | <abpier> | thank you for reply jhutchins_lt i can start in rescue mode, and try to reinstall gdm , without succes, sorry i'm a little newb |
| 14:32 | <retrospectacus> | katterine: I am not familiar with this. Presumably you did something before to use this driver, you'll have to do it again is all (probably) |
| 14:32 | <katterine> | ok.. I was having driver issues.. for my video card. was stuck in a very low mode |
| 14:33 | <katterine> | ok it finished.. 2 errors. |
| 14:33 | <katterine> | one for the virtualbox driver |
| 14:33 | <katterine> | and the other for my fglrx video driver stuff. |
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| 14:33 | <katterine> | ok.. well I'm gonna reboot.. and see how badly this goes down in flames. |
| 14:33 | <retrospectacus> | those kernel modules will need to be upgraded / re-made |
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| 14:35 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus> I tried the "dpkg-reconfigure" as you suggested. It said: Stopping Common Unix Printing System: cupsd. Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd. And both printers are still here |
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| 14:37 | * | retrospectacus shrug - guess it doesn't have any user-interactive configuration except the 631 page |
| 14:38 | <retrospectacus> | dpkg -L <packname> may show you some configs you may be able to edit |
| 14:38 | <dpkg> | No packages found matching <packname> may show you some configs you may be able to edit |
| 14:38 | <retrospectacus> | dpkg: welcome back |
| 14:38 | <dpkg> | it's good to be home :) |
| 14:39 | <flakk> | Bushmills: there is a phrase in the cupsd.conf: # Show shared printers on the local network. |
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| 14:42 | <Black_Prince> | dpkg kiss |
| 14:42 | <dpkg> | methinks kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
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| 14:50 | <flakk> | retrospectacus: shoud I conclude that I am on some local network containing a small number of machines so that the people can suggest their printers? I guess for somebody who is just connected to the Internet it woulod not be possible to suggest hisprinter to me? |
| 14:50 | <retrospectacus> | flakk: you should know whether you are connected to a local network or directly to the Internet |
| 14:51 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus> I really do not know |
| 14:51 | <flakk> | how could I figure that out |
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| 14:53 | <retrospectacus> | observe the path of your Ethernet cable |
| 14:54 | <retrospectacus> | see if there is a Router between your machine and your DSL or whatever |
| 14:54 | <retrospectacus> | or see what kind of IP address you have - public or private |
| 14:55 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus: this is not a dsl, it is a cable connection |
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| 14:55 | <retrospectacus> | k |
| 14:55 | <retrospectacus> | that's covered by "whatever" |
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| 14:56 | <flakk> | there is no router, the cable just comes out of the wall (well, there may be a router in the building<0 |
| 14:57 | <flakk> | you can see my IP typing /whois flakk |
| 14:57 | <retrospectacus> | how do you know you have cable |
| 14:57 | <retrospectacus> | that's your public IP - if your local machine ''ifconfig'' says the same thing then you are not on a LAN |
| 14:58 | <retrospectacus> | if it says 192.168.x.y or 10.x.y.z or another private IP then you are on a LAN |
| 14:58 | <flakk> | 1 sec |
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| 14:59 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus> oops |
| 14:59 | <flakk> | ifconfig says smth different |
| 14:59 | <bernat> | flakk: just type "ip address" in a terminal |
| 15:00 | <flakk> | namely inet addr 10.3 ... etc |
| 15:00 | <flakk> | and btw the address of these localhost printers are of the same kind |
| 15:00 | <retrospectacus> | right, you're on a LAN and any machines sharing their printer on the LAN, you will (may) see it in cups (apparently) |
| 15:00 | <flakk> | LAN you mean local network |
| 15:00 | <flakk> | ? |
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| 15:00 | <retrospectacus> | or network printers who advertise themselves |
| 15:01 | <retrospectacus> | yes Local Area Network |
| 15:01 | <retrospectacus> | LAN |
| 15:01 | <flakk> | ok so basically it is maybe one or several buildings who share the same LAN right? |
| 15:01 | <flakk> | bernat : yes it says the same thing as ifconfig |
| 15:01 | <retrospectacus> | maybe |
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| 15:04 | <flakk> | do you think my printer is also visible to other people?? |
| 15:05 | <retrospectacus> | what kind of printer is it? Usb or network (or something else) |
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| 15:05 | <flakk> | my printer? or his printer?? |
| 15:05 | <retrospectacus> | the one you are talking about |
| 15:06 | <bernat> | flakk: ok, I didn't see retrospectacus advice, they are the same in some cases |
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| 15:06 | <bremner> | are the lines "127.0.1.1 host.domain.tld host" in /etc/hosts useful in a machine that gets its IP via DHCP? It is causing me some troubles on a kvm instance where "dig physical-server" returns 127.0.1.1 |
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| 15:07 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus> my printer is a USB one btw the other printer is also an usb one |
| 15:08 | <flakk> | as far as localhost says |
| 15:08 | <retrospectacus> | flakk: if you check the lil box "share my printer" then yes he will see it |
| 15:08 | <whirli1> | Hey, Im running debian squeeze with lxde and learning all the time. Im trying to build pidgin from the source but with ./configure it gives me error that I dont have Glib 2.16.0 installed. According to synaptic I have libglib2.0-0, installed version 2.24.2-1. what should I do to get this running? |
| 15:08 | <retrospectacus> | whirli1: apt-get install pidgin? |
| 15:08 | <whirli1> | I know, I know :) just trying this out |
| 15:08 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus> where is this lil box?? |
| 15:09 | <saulo> | Hello, I'm receiving an error who apparently comes from xulrunner package. (Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1 and 1.9.2.*.) When trying something I found at internet, I do "xulrunner-1.9.1 --register-global" but receives the error "Error: unrecognized application.ini path." Somebody can help me? |
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| 15:09 | <saulo> | I'm using Debian testing |
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| 15:09 | <bernat> | saulo: go to #debian-next |
| 15:10 | <saulo> | ok :) |
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| 15:10 | <saulo> | bernat: thanks |
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| 15:10 | <retrospectacus> | flakk: when you are adding your printer it's there |
| 15:10 | <bernat> | saulo: np, #debian-next is for future releases |
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| 15:11 | <saulo> | bernat: ok |
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| 15:12 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus> - so any printer in my LAN can be shared? |
| 15:12 | <retrospectacus> | if it's in your lan and you can add it, it's already shared |
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| 15:15 | <emmetea> | im using squeeze with iceweasel and konqueror, yet whenever wine loads up or playonlinux does both complain that gecko isn't installed. |
| 15:16 | <retrospectacus> | emmetea: wine uses its own gecko |
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| 15:17 | <retrospectacus> | I think running ''wine explorer http://anywebsite'' will install it |
| 15:17 | <emmetea> | retrospectacus: ah. i see. so i should install netscape in wine? |
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| 15:17 | <retrospectacus> | nah just use its exploder |
| 15:17 | <emmetea> | retrospectacus: ah, thank you :) |
| 15:17 | <retrospectacus> | there is also a winetricks command to install it if you have that |
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| 15:19 | <jeremy-77> | can I install firefox on debian squeeze in terminal |
| 15:19 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus> OK thank you I guess I understand . I guess that this is not dangerous for my machine, is it? |
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| 15:19 | <retrospectacus> | flakk: if you check "share printer" people will be able to print things on your printer |
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| 15:19 | <retrospectacus> | that's it |
| 15:20 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 15:20 | <jeremy-77> | I have iceweasel already installed |
| 15:21 | <flakk> | yes I understand - I will not check it ) - I was wondering whether the fact that there asre two moreprinters added to my cups is dangerous for my machine |
| 15:21 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: then you're done |
| 15:21 | <retrospectacus> | flakk: not at all, how could it be? |
| 15:22 | <flakk> | oh I do not know. Somewhat this means that the members of the same LAN are sort of very close to my machine |
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| 15:22 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, iceweasel is firefox? |
| 15:22 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: nailed it |
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| 15:23 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, so I can install addons from firefox like xmarks and such? or addblock foof? |
| 15:23 | <Zaba> | emmetea, see http://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko |
| 15:24 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus> OK thanks - |
| 15:24 | <Zaba> | emmetea, wine's gecko has nothing to do with your system's iceweasel's gecko or whatever |
| 15:24 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: it just has a different logo and name because mozilla un-coolly does not release their logo as FREE |
| 15:24 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: yes it is identical code, you can install any FF plugin |
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| 15:26 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, awesome! came from ubuntu so just need a little time to adjust to debian.... so far I am impressed! |
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| 15:26 | <flakk> | <jeremy-77> why did you change from ubuntu to deb?? |
| 15:27 | <retrospectacus> | you may also notice we have a better support IRC |
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| 15:29 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, they are moving to a different desktop that I am not liking and every new version of ubuntu has different problems for me.. wireless on some wont work or my video card wont work with others and they dont seem as stable as debian seems to be so far |
| 15:30 | <emmetea> | zaba: the link you sent me to says that it should be in /usr/share/wine/gecko and if its not there it will get it for you? but wine hasn't yet whenever i've tried to use it. |
| 15:30 | <flakk> | <retrospectacus> so thanks for your patience, I guess I understand the thing now |
| 15:30 | <Zaba> | emmetea, re-read the text on that page |
| 15:30 | <retrospectacus> | sure thing flakk |
| 15:30 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: nicely done then :) |
| 15:30 | <emmetea> | zaba: kk. |
| 15:30 | <Zaba> | emmetea, you, or your distro packager, is supposed to place it there. |
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| 15:30 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, its cool ubunutu is comming out with new distros all the time to see it advance is great but they loose hardware in new distros |
| 15:32 | <emmetea> | Zaba: yeah, i just haven't been able to find what debian package will place it there and last time i compiled something and ran it i got yelled at in here so im not trying it again |
| 15:32 | <Zaba> | emmetea, well, again, read more carefully, from the beginning to the end |
| 15:32 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: enjoy the good stuff |
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| 15:34 | <emmetea> | Zaba: rereading just makes me want to compile it more >_> |
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| 15:34 | <Zaba> | emmetea, then learn English |
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| 15:34 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, only thing I need help on with debian right now is suspend and wake... it takes almost 2 minits to wake from suspend and I guess there is a way to change where it suspends to memory or hard drive but not sure how that works. I have 100 gig drive and 1 gig memory that shares with video and the drive is 5400rpm do you know any about suspend and wake ? |
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| 15:35 | <Zaba> | emmetea, that page tells you what commands download a .msi file for gecko that wine expects to find |
| 15:35 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: do you have a swap space? |
| 15:35 | <Zaba> | emmetea, it doesn't even mention compiling anything in the paragraphs that are relevant to your problem |
| 15:35 | <Zaba> | emmetea, I've got trouble imagining how you're reading that |
| 15:35 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, not sure? |
| 15:36 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: enter 'free' on the terminal and if it's all 0 on the swap line then no. Otherwise yes |
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| 15:37 | <emmetea> | Zaba: because as i said earlier im using squueze and squeeze has 1.0.1 wine. |
| 15:37 | <Zaba> | not much point in using old wine versions, I'd say |
| 15:37 | <retrospectacus> | emmetea: go to winehq.org and follow the directions to get 1.2 on debian thru apt-get |
| 15:37 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, 1746936 total and 1746936 free |
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| 15:38 | <emmetea> | retrospectacus: ive tried that the information there points on how to get it for testing |
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| 15:38 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, 0 used |
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| 15:38 | <emmetea> | Zaba: yeah thats i guess more why the more i read it the more i wanted to compile |
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| 15:38 | <jeremy-77> | should it use swap instead? |
| 15:39 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: nah you have >1G of swap so it should suspend to that |
| 15:40 | <retrospectacus> | (should be fine) - when I press power I get buttons for "hibernate" or "suspend" |
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| 15:41 | <retrospectacus> | actually suspend doesn't need swap, it's hibernate |
| 15:41 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, I went to power options and it is set to suspend when lid is closed and hibernate when battery is critically low |
| 15:41 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: it sounds like you are hibernating not suspending. Try using the Shut Down thing and click suspend |
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| 15:42 | <Zaba> | yeah, suspend just turns everything but RAM off |
| 15:43 | <jeremy-77> | retrospectacus, so when I suspend it should use swap ? ill try to suspend that way and see.. how do I make it wake to see how long it will take? |
| 15:43 | <Zaba> | jeremy-77, no, suspend does NOT use swap |
| 15:43 | <Zaba> | jeremy-77, suspend is a hardware feature that turns everything off except for RAM |
| 15:44 | <Zaba> | hibernation saves RAM to swap and shuts down |
| 15:44 | <retrospectacus> | press the power button to wake it up |
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| 15:45 | <retrospectacus> | yes suspend does not use swap - hibernate does - hibernate takes a while, with the disk light on. Suspend should be very fast |
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| 15:46 | <Zaba> | if you have doubts regarding which is which, you probably want suspend |
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| 15:47 | <bernat> | now that you're talking about suspend, if I need to unload some module before suspend and reload it after resume, where can I do that? |
| 15:47 | <emmetea> | how robust is debians f32 support? could i install it entirely on a f32 formatted partition? |
| 15:48 | <emmetea> | sorry havent used debian since slink or woody then i went to macintrash world for a while |
| 15:48 | <retrospectacus> | fat32?? I suppose you probably could |
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| 15:48 | <Zaba> | emmetea, no |
| 15:48 | <retrospectacus> | fat32 does not support case-sensitivity in filenames though. that might not be good |
| 15:48 | <Zaba> | fat32 does not support permissions |
| 15:49 | <Zaba> | a unix system won't work well on it, if at all |
| 15:49 | <emmetea> | a uses home directory maybe for dual booting? |
| 15:49 | <retrospectacus> | good point |
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| 15:49 | <emmetea> | s/uses/users |
| 15:49 | <Zaba> | even that will break |
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| 15:49 | <retrospectacus> | why not use NTFS (presuming you are looking for some kind of windows compatibility) |
| 15:50 | <Zaba> | something wants to create a fifo or a socket in your ~? Tough luck, random breakage because 99% of things assume a sane filesystem. |
| 15:50 | <Zaba> | and you know, they do a right thing |
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| 15:50 | <emmetea> | how about a mount -B /mnt/fat32 /home/foo/bar/ ? |
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| 15:50 | <Zaba> | that would work better, as long as you're careful about what goes where |
| 15:50 | <Zaba> | (that is, if only a subset of ~ is on a fat partition) |
| 15:50 | <retrospectacus> | emmetea: fat32 support is fine, you just can't do a lot of things on a fat partition |
| 15:50 | <jeremy-77> | ok it takes about 35 seconds to boot my pc and it takes about 1 minit 10 seconds to wake from suspend? |
| 15:51 | <Zaba> | jeremy-77, pastebin output of 'dmesg' |
| 15:51 | <emmetea> | retrospectacus: imma a..a .. a bit scared of lin ntfs support from breaking some important drives tat weren't mine in the early 2000s |
| 15:51 | <Zaba> | emmetea, use ntfs-3g, not in-kernel ntfs |
| 15:52 | <retrospectacus> | emmetea: ntfs support is good. /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 15:52 | <emmetea> | Zaba: yeah i was thinking like a directory named scratchspace in the users home directory |
| 15:52 | <emmetea> | @_@ dselect is offline? |
| 15:53 | <emmetea> | lol same functions as dselect? that is dpkg? |
| 15:53 | <retrospectacus> | dselect: hi |
| 15:53 | <dselect> | hi, retrospectacus |
| 15:53 | <retrospectacus> | dpkg: hi |
| 15:53 | <dpkg> | privet, retrospectacus |
| 15:53 | <retrospectacus> | they're the same |
| 15:53 | <emmetea> | weird... dselect is ignoring me :( |
| 15:53 | <emmetea> | nvm |
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| 15:54 | <themill> | dselect: slap emmetea |
| 15:54 | * | dselect strikes a resounding *THWAP* across emmetea's face |
| 15:54 | <emmetea> | too small a font to see that typpo >_> |
| 15:54 | <jeremy-77> | http://pastebin.com/ZMU4XZMf |
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| 15:55 | <Zaba> | jeremy-77, you have missing firmware for your graphics driver |
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| 15:55 | <Zaba> | [ 2776.164076][ 2776.164076] radeon_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/R300_cp.bin" |
| 15:56 | <Zaba> | fix that and retry |
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| 15:56 | <Zaba> | the firmware loading timeout is what's causing it |
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| 15:56 | <jeremy-77> | Zaba, ok that makes sense but not sure how to fix it? |
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| 15:58 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: enable <non-free> and install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:58 | <Zaba> | yeah, that |
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| 15:59 | <jeremy-77> | ok thanks guys.. got about 6 minits of updates that are installing now and then I will do that |
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| 16:06 | <acidhouse> | luna.irc-hispano.org |
| 16:06 | <jeremy-77> | ok I enabled non free. do I install firmware-linux-nonfree from terminal or dose it do it in updates for me? |
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| 16:06 | <emmetea> | wth why does the drm module keep leaving the kernel? |
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| 16:07 | <abrotman> | leaving? |
| 16:08 | <emmetea> | abrotman: i feel like i keep having to load it everyother or so. |
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| 16:08 | <jeremy-77> | oh found it in synaptic package manager |
| 16:08 | <abrotman> | emmetea: put it in /etc/modules ? |
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| 16:10 | <emmetea> | abrotman: lol thanks, i don't know why i assumed it would have been there after installation. i think ive been up too long. |
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| 16:18 | <retrospectacus> | jeremy-77: faster? |
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| 16:19 | <jquerier> | Helo |
| 16:19 | <jquerier> | iam installing kde on my debian machine via putty. After installation i will do startx. How to connect to the gui? |
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| 16:21 | <jeremy-77> | I enabled non free and installed firmware-linux-nonfree with synaptic package manager but still dose not seem fast yet. here is dmesg again http://pastebin.com/2S982vPm |
| 16:21 | <zykotick9> | jquerier, ssh forwarding isn't typically used for full remote desktop access. Plus, if you are on Windows you'd need a local XServer on Windows. |
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| 16:22 | <WofFS> | jquerier, you can start Xvnc as X server and connect via windows vnc client |
| 16:22 | <Zaba> | jeremy-77, that doesn't contain anything suspend-related |
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| 16:22 | <jquerier> | Xvnc == vnc4server ? |
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| 16:23 | <lindi-> | jquerier: that's one implementation yes |
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| 16:23 | <jquerier> | it is allready included in kde did i have to install Xvnc? |
| 16:24 | <WofFS> | jquerier: install some vncserver |
| 16:24 | <jquerier> | ok |
| 16:24 | <WofFS> | but maybe there is some included, dunno. no kde user. gnome has vino. |
| 16:24 | <lindi-> | WofFS: vino is just for sharing existing display though? |
| 16:25 | <jquerier> | vino runs windows apps? |
| 16:25 | <WofFS> | lindi-: right. that's a different setup. :-) |
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| 16:25 | <WofFS> | vino != wine |
| 16:25 | <jquerier> | ok |
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| 16:26 | <jquerier> | sry its a remote admin tool :) |
| 16:26 | <kop> | jquerier: I like x11vnc as a server to serve the whole desktop. |
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| 16:27 | <jquerier> | ok another question is 2GB RAM enough to run debian with kde ? |
| 16:27 | <lindi-> | jquerier: on server: 1) vnc4server :7 2) DISPLAY=:7 xterm on client: 3) xvnc4viewer -via server :7 |
| 16:27 | <jquerier> | ok |
| 16:27 | <lindi-> | jquerier: but this assumes your client and server both run debian |
| 16:28 | <jquerier> | ok |
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| 16:37 | <jquerier> | i have installed kde but if i do startx i get: |
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| 16:37 | <jquerier> | ==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jul 13 22:33:14 2011 |
| 16:37 | <jquerier> | (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" |
| 16:37 | <jquerier> | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.38.2-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-32/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 16:37 | <jquerier> | (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 16:37 | <jquerier> | SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server |
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| 16:37 | <jquerier> | sry |
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| 16:37 | <kop> | jquerier: Sure 2G is enough. (Of course if you run some giant memory eating app there's no guarentee.) I've run it on 1G. |
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| 16:38 | <jquerier> | ok |
| 16:38 | <retrospectacus> | jquerier: is there a video card in there? |
| 16:40 | <jquerier> | http://paste.debian.net/122809/ |
| 16:40 | <jquerier> | no |
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| 16:41 | <jquerier> | its a root server |
| 16:41 | <jquerier> | dedicated |
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| 16:41 | <jquerier> | here is the error iam getting while doing startx http://paste.debian.net/122809/ please help |
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| 16:43 | <jhutchins_lt> | jquerier: xorg is expecting a framebuffer and not finding it. |
| 16:43 | <jhutchins_lt> | jquerier: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 16:43 | <jquerier> | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2772] (rev 02) |
| 16:44 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 497] by debhelper |
| 16:44 | <jhutchins_lt> | jquerier: You're on squeeze? |
| 16:44 | <retrospectacus> | why install X at all if it has no video |
| 16:45 | <retrospectacus> | oh it does |
| 16:45 | <jhutchins_lt> | retrospectacus: To forward X apps? |
| 16:45 | <retrospectacus> | mhmm |
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| 16:46 | <jhutchins_lt> | !kms |
| 16:46 | <dpkg> | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 16:46 | <jhutchins_lt> | A stock install should cover it though. |
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| 16:50 | <EmleyMoor> | That's got my Debian kFreeBSD VM onto my backups |
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| 16:51 | <EmleyMoor> | Is kernel building in Debian kFreeBSD done in a Debian way? If so, is there any guidance on it? |
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| 16:52 | <MrFrood> | !kbsd |
| 16:52 | <dpkg> | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:52 | <EmleyMoor> | Also, is it easy to switch to serial console? |
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| 16:52 | <EmleyMoor> | Ah, good |
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| 16:55 | <paco> | hola a todos |
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| 16:56 | <retrospectacus> | paco: hello there |
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| 16:56 | <paco> | simple question from a nerd |
| 16:56 | <paco> | :P |
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| 16:59 | <sylar> | I have 100% cpu IOWait, while disk consumption seem low at iotop |
| 17:00 | <sylar> | main processes are kjournald |
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| 17:00 | <sylar> | and dpkg when I install, and it cause that |
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| 17:03 | <paco> | how can i restart X (i dont know if that is the correct name for window manager) |
| 17:03 | <paco> | :D |
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| 17:06 | <valdyn> | paco: it is not |
| 17:07 | <chealer> | paco: if you don't mind, what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:07 | <valdyn> | paco: maybe you really want to restart X, maybe your window manager |
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| 17:07 | <paco> | ok, i have add several resolutions into xorg.conf |
| 17:07 | <paco> | so i think i have to restart X |
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| 17:08 | <valdyn> | paco: or you could just use xrandr |
| 17:08 | <valdyn> | paco: you know that xorg.conf is nearly redundant usually? |
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| 17:08 | <paco> | :O |
| 17:08 | <paco> | whats the meaning of redundant? |
| 17:09 | <valdyn> | paco: useless |
| 17:09 | <paco> | (sorry for my english level) |
| 17:09 | <paco> | really? |
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| 17:09 | <craigevil> | xrandr doesnt store the settings permanently, still need to use xorg.conf to set modelines/resolution |
| 17:09 | <valdyn> | paco: run "xrandr", see if the resolutions you want are listed |
| 17:09 | <paco> | where i have to configure my resolution, colour depth.. |
| 17:09 | <paco> | ok valdyn |
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| 17:09 | <paco> | thanks! |
| 17:09 | <daemonkeeper> | paco: Try it. Just move your xorg.conf to another location (that is, not having a xorg.conf anymore) and try whether your xserver starts. :) |
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| 17:10 | <paco> | no |
| 17:10 | <paco> | it isnt |
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| 17:10 | <valdyn> | craigevil: lcd displays have a native resolution, no one really wants to use anything but that one |
| 17:10 | <paco> | just 1024, i need 1280 x 1024 |
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| 17:11 | <valdyn> | paco: which gfx chip, which driver is being used? |
| 17:11 | <paco> | daemonkeeper:whats happen if my xserver doesnt start again? :'( |
| 17:11 | <daemonkeeper> | Move it back. |
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| 17:11 | <paco> | nvidia 8800 gtx |
| 17:11 | <paco> | great graphic card 4 years ago :D |
| 17:12 | <paco> | which is the command to restart x server without reboot? |
| 17:12 | <valdyn> | paco: which driver is being used? |
| 17:13 | <paco> | privative nvidia driver |
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| 17:13 | <valdyn> | paco: privative? |
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| 17:13 | <valdyn> | paco: the one from nvidia.com you mean? |
| 17:13 | <paco> | yeah |
| 17:14 | <paco> | (privative is so cool...) |
| 17:14 | <valdyn> | paco: thats not a word |
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| 17:14 | <valdyn> | paco: ctrl-alt-backspace and pray |
| 17:14 | <chealer> | paco: which display manager do you use? |
| 17:14 | <paco> | well..in spain, when you install ubuntu it says "Drivers privativos" |
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| 17:14 | <paco> | *in spanish |
| 17:15 | <paco> | chealer: how can i know that? :P |
| 17:15 | <salazar> | Hey. Could someone help me with my fstab? I'd like to configure my automounting with correct permissions |
| 17:15 | <chealer> | valdyn: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/privative |
| 17:15 | <craigevil> | or just restart whichever display manager, /etc/init.d/gdm restart, kdm,xdm, slim etc |
| 17:15 | <chealer> | paco: which desktop environment do you use? |
| 17:15 | <paco> | chealer:gnome |
| 17:16 | <valdyn> | chealer: nice |
| 17:16 | <paco> | gdm |
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| 17:16 | <chealer> | paco: then you presumably use gdm (you could check if that package is installed) |
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| 17:17 | <paco> | dpkg -s gdm -> not found |
| 17:17 | <dpkg> | You Fool! gdm -> not found is installed! |
| 17:17 | <valdyn> | paco: -l |
| 17:18 | <valdyn> | might aswell be gdm3 |
| 17:18 | <paco> | not installed |
| 17:18 | <paco> | yes |
| 17:18 | <paco> | gdm3 |
| 17:18 | <paco> | whats the difference? |
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| 17:18 | <valdyn> | paco: the code |
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| 17:18 | <paco> | hehe, sure |
| 17:18 | <paco> | xD |
| 17:19 | <valdyn> | paco: i mean, the difference is technical, not necessarily visible |
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| 17:19 | <paco> | which one is installed by default with debian? |
| 17:19 | <valdyn> | paco: not gdm3 |
| 17:20 | <valdyn> | paco: theres no real default for that in debian, chances are its gdm but it could be kdm i suppose |
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| 17:20 | <paco> | i understand |
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| 17:21 | <paco> | so, i would have to move xorg.conf |
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| 17:21 | <paco> | and restart |
| 17:21 | <paco> | no? |
| 17:21 | <valdyn> | paco: you dont have to restart your whole system |
| 17:21 | <paco> | i wouldnt like to do that |
| 17:22 | <chealer> | ah, right. paco: gdm3 contains the current version of GDM. gdm contains an older one. |
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| 17:22 | <chealer> | valdyn: why would you? |
| 17:22 | <paco> | ok chealer |
| 17:23 | <valdyn> | chealer: hmm? |
| 17:23 | <chealer> | valdyn: sorry |
| 17:23 | <chealer> | paco: why would you? |
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| 17:24 | <paco> | the only way i know to see the changes is rebooting |
| 17:24 | <paco> | for that is my question about restart X |
| 17:24 | <paco> | xD |
| 17:24 | <chealer> | paco: I meant, why would you have to move xorg.conf? |
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| 17:25 | <paco> | uhmm, one guy just tell me i have to move xorg.conf for checking if x starts |
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| 17:26 | <paco> | dont let me back to Ubuntu! :'( |
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| 17:26 | <chealer> | paco: there is no need to. I thought X already starts |
| 17:27 | <paco> | chealer: yes, but if i add new resolution and i apply it, have i to restart? |
| 17:27 | <paco> | i think "NO" |
| 17:28 | <paco> | but i dont know how to apply changes without rebooting |
| 17:28 | <chealer> | paco: if you add a new resolution to xorg.conf? you need to restart if you want to test your change, if you just want the new resolution you should only need to use RANDR |
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| 17:29 | <chealer> | paco: one easy and secure way to restart gdm is to reboot. you could also close your session, go to a terminal and run as root # invoke-rc.d gdm restart |
| 17:29 | <daemonkeeper> | Its an ancient anachronism to hard code resolutions to the xorg.conf. |
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| 17:30 | <paco> | chealer:ok |
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| 17:31 | <paco> | just one more thing |
| 17:32 | <paco> | in xorg.conf |
| 17:32 | <paco> | Modes |
| 17:32 | <paco> | "nvidia-auto-select" |
| 17:32 | <paco> | ¿? |
| 17:32 | <paco> | there arent resolutions there |
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| 17:34 | <chealer> | paco: or rather, at least in your case, # invoke-rc.d gdm3 restart |
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| 17:37 | <paco> | ook |
| 17:37 | <paco> | thank you chealr, valdyn |
| 17:37 | <paco> | chealer |
| 17:37 | <paco> | really |
| 17:37 | <paco> | i love people like you |
| 17:37 | <Helel> | hi |
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| 17:37 | <retrospectacus> | poor valdyn |
| 17:37 | <retrospectacus> | !beer valdyn |
| 17:37 | * | dpkg pulls out a tasty Green Flash IPA for valdyn |
| 17:37 | <Helel> | this is the third time I ask here for help |
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| 17:38 | <Helel> | eheh :D |
| 17:38 | <Helel> | I've got a x86 32 bit with kernel 2.6.39-2 (the new pae version of the Debian recompiled kernel) |
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| 17:39 | <Helel> | that machine is connected to internet through a cabled ethernet modem router |
| 17:39 | <Helel> | the eth0 is 192.168.1.2 and the router is 192.168.1.1 |
| 17:39 | <Helel> | i've also got a pci wifi card |
| 17:39 | <Helel> | my wlan0 interface is 192.168.0.1 |
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| 17:40 | <Helel> | i tried to create a bridge to share my internet connection between my computer and my ipad |
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| 17:40 | <Helel> | but the bridge doesn't work at all |
| 17:41 | <Helel> | if I set up an ad-hoc interface from wlan0 to my ipad2 it reply to echo request icmp |
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| 17:41 | <Helel> | so I'm searching a mode for tells wlan0 to forward packets to the ethernet interface |
| 17:42 | <Helel> | so I can share internet :) |
| 17:42 | <Helel> | someone can help me ? |
| 17:43 | <lindi-> | Helel: most wifi cards can't be used as part of a bridge |
| 17:43 | <retrospectacus> | Helel: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 17:43 | <Helel> | lindi-, my wifi support master mode :) |
| 17:43 | <Helel> | retrospectacus, thanks but I also tried that :D |
| 17:43 | <Helel> | it doesn't work at all :P |
| 17:43 | <lindi-> | Helel: I'm still not sure if you can bridge it |
| 17:44 | <retrospectacus> | you may also need to tell your ipad that your laptop is his default gateway (usually done with dhcp) |
| 17:44 | <Helel> | I do that |
| 17:44 | <retrospectacus> | and? |
| 17:44 | <Helel> | but I connect my ipad2 in ad-hoc mode to my wlan interface |
| 17:44 | <Helel> | the lan works great |
| 17:45 | <Helel> | I can connect to ipad2 with ssh (yeah it's jailbreaked and I installed opensshd on ipad) |
| 17:45 | <Helel> | and it reply pings |
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| 17:45 | <Helel> | but when I try to open an internet page with safari, nothing works |
| 17:46 | <Helel> | after a little it say that there is no internet connection |
| 17:46 | <retrospectacus> | what is the ipads default gateway? Does it have correct DNS servers? can it ping those? |
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| 17:46 | <Helel> | the default gw is 192.168.0.1, my network iface |
| 17:47 | <Helel> | and I don't think its a problem of dns |
| 17:47 | <Helel> | cause when I tried to connect to google from resolved ip |
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| 17:47 | <Helel> | it doesn't work |
| 17:48 | <Helel> | I tried that rules of iptables too |
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| 17:48 | <Helel> | iptables -A FORWARD -o wlan0 -i eth0 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 17:49 | <retrospectacus> | standard network router debugging - fire up wireshark, watch the packets on wlan0, check the s/d IPs, look for them on eth0 |
| 17:49 | <Helel> | iptables -A FORWARD -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
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| 17:49 | <retrospectacus> | where did you get those - looks like ipmasq stuff |
| 17:49 | <Helel> | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE && route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 17:49 | <Helel> | the 192.168.1.1 is my router that isn't wifi and I connect to it through cable |
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| 17:50 | <retrospectacus> | and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward contains 1? |
| 17:50 | <Helel> | i did not get this from anywhere |
| 17:50 | <Helel> | i make in a little try to share my connection using ipmasq and iptables for routing |
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| 17:51 | <Helel> | yeah it contains 1 |
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| 17:51 | <Helel> | on windows it works easily |
| 17:51 | <Helel> | and I can share through wireless my connection to ipad without problem |
| 17:52 | <Helel> | but I hate windows and I doesn't have installed it on this machine |
| 17:52 | <Helel> | I installed it on an old machine just to try |
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| 17:52 | <retrospectacus> | you only need one iptables rule: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 17:52 | <Helel> | I removed my internet card from that computer and pushed in the one with windows and it works |
| 17:52 | <retrospectacus> | yours is missing the -o part and the other rules are not needed |
| 17:53 | <Helel> | ok but just a little question |
| 17:53 | <Helel> | after I do that rule |
| 17:53 | <Helel> | I simply connect to my ad-hoc wifi |
| 17:53 | <Helel> | to wlan0 ? |
| 17:54 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 488] by debhelper |
| 17:54 | <Helel> | wlan0 is 192.168.0.1 ... I don't need to link in some mode the eth0 and wlan0 = |
| 17:54 | <Helel> | ? |
| 17:54 | <Helel> | like iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -i wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 17:54 | <Helel> | ? |
| 17:54 | <retrospectacus> | no |
| 17:54 | <Helel> | I try this now :) thank you |
| 17:54 | <Helel> | I'll tell you if it works |
| 17:54 | <retrospectacus> | don't forget to clear your iptables rules first |
| 17:55 | <Helel> | yeah I do it everytime :) |
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| 17:58 | <Helel> | it doesn't work, sorry |
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| 17:59 | <Helel> | retrospectacus, another idea ? |
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| 17:59 | <retrospectacus> | Helel: debug with wireshark |
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| 17:59 | <retrospectacus> | you can pastebin your route -n and iptables -t nat -L and whatnot if you want I'll take a look |
| 17:59 | <Helel> | ok I give a try to debugin :) |
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| 18:03 | <Helel> | OH GREAT |
| 18:03 | <Helel> | IT WORKS |
| 18:03 | <Helel> | I FIX ALL :D |
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| 18:03 | <Helel> | eheh with wireshark I viewed that it route the packages to a wrong destination |
| 18:04 | <Helel> | the old gw that I've got |
| 18:04 | <Helel> | 10.0.0.4 |
| 18:04 | <Helel> | THANK YOU! |
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| 18:05 | <retrospectacus> | heh |
| 18:05 | <retrospectacus> | !next |
| 18:05 | <dpkg> | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 18:09 | <kyentei> | Awww |
| 18:09 | <kyentei> | Don't we love happy customers. |
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| 18:12 | <Helel> | retrospectacus, I'm in debit with you |
| 18:13 | <retrospectacus> | no worries. Pay it forward. Hang around here and maybe you'll make someone happy as well :) |
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| 18:14 | <Helel> | yeah I'll do it and I'll write a little howto too :) |
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| 19:02 | <jose> | hola |
| 19:02 | <jose> | disculpen alguien me dice como funciona esto del xchat? |
| 19:02 | <themill> | !ubuntu-es jose |
| 19:02 | <dpkg> | jose: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
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| 19:03 | <jose> | ok muchas grax |
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| 19:11 | <mephibosheth> | Hello all! |
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| 19:14 | <mephibosheth> | I have a bunch of remote servers in different networks that should share a lot of configuration files (E.g. /etc/ssh/sshd_config). Some of these are for custom in house software, again shared. Is there any reason why I shouldn't roll our config files into debs? Is this semantically wrong? |
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| 19:16 | <kyentei> | I would personally prefer using a script to do this, but I don't see how debs could cause any harm. |
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| 19:25 | <lindi-> | mephibosheth: well generally packages are not allowed to edit configuration files of other packages... |
| 19:26 | <lindi-> | mephibosheth: I would suggest you use something like puppet instead |
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| 19:27 | <daemonkeeper> | However dpkg-divert is a mechanism which works for debs. Note concerns of the manuals regarding conffiles. |
| 19:27 | <lindi-> | mephibosheth: just package the custom in-house software |
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| 19:29 | <mephibosheth> | Hmm, fair enough. However, one the of lead python devs wants to distribute our in house stuff (mostly python) through our own Cheese Shop (pip, etc.) |
| 19:29 | <nevyn> | mephibosheth: I'dmanage that stuff with puppet |
| 19:29 | <nevyn> | cheese shop? |
| 19:30 | <daemonkeeper> | mephibosheth: While lindi- is completely right, you can still insist on your original idea and work with diversions as said. Again, this might not work well for conffiles. |
| 19:30 | <mephibosheth> | I.e. "# pip install gevent", not "# apt-get install gevent" |
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| 19:31 | <nevyn> | oh goddamn secondary package managers |
| 19:31 | <nevyn> | mephibosheth: puppet can deal with that tho. |
| 19:32 | <nevyn> | http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/stable/type.html#package |
| 19:32 | <nevyn> | so you'd do something like |
| 19:32 | <nevyn> | package { gevent: ensure => latest; provider=> pip } |
| 19:32 | <nevyn> | and it lets you tie the whole thing together as a service. |
| 19:33 | <nevyn> | but secondary package managers are evil. |
| 19:34 | <mephibosheth> | Ok. My boss also wants no "actual" debian packages to be rolled out; we are supposed to have our own mirrors, keys, hashes, etc. As far as trusting the debian repositories, etc. I think they are safe, but my boss wants to be certain no packages can be installed except what we whitelist. I take that to mean, no packages can be installed through ordinary means such as "apt-get update && apt-get install foo" or "apt-get upgrade". |
| 19:34 | <daemonkeeper> | apt-get upgrade your boss. |
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| 19:35 | <nevyn> | mephibosheth: do release management at your mirror not on the boxes |
| 19:35 | <nevyn> | mephibosheth: have you seen puppet before? |
| 19:35 | <mephibosheth> | no |
| 19:35 | <nevyn> | mephibosheth: have you used, cfengine or any sort of configuration management system? |
| 19:36 | <mephibosheth> | no :) |
| 19:36 | <nevyn> | how many systems are there in your organisation? |
| 19:36 | <nevyn> | 10's hundreds, thousands? |
| 19:38 | <mephibosheth> | So far? One or two. But we are developing a product which is just about hitting release 1.0 status (well in terms of hardware :) for the digital signage industry. There is a linux box in every sign. We are in talks with distributors now, and should shortly be in the ballpark of 10's to 100's. |
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| 19:38 | <daemonkeeper> | oO |
| 19:39 | <nevyn> | mephibosheth: is there going to be ongoing connectivity to the signs? |
| 19:39 | <edson> | hi |
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| 19:40 | <mephibosheth> | The signs will ideally be reachable from the interwebz 100% of the time, but that is not something we can depend on, as many will have cellular data. |
| 19:40 | <edson> | someone tried to install thunderbird 5? |
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| 19:40 | <mephibosheth> | So the config files can't be NFS mounted, etc. |
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| 19:41 | <mephibosheth> | Damn I love Innis & Gunn |
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| 19:42 | <babilen> | mephibosheth: oh, yeah -- one of the great locals! |
| 19:42 | <babilen> | oh, this isn't #d-ot -- disregard that! |
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| 19:43 | <mephibosheth> | Yeah, sorry! |
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| 19:44 | <mephibosheth> | Thank you all for the advice. I will read up on puppet, cfengine, and dpkg-divert to try to assess what will meet our needs. |
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| 21:13 | <baronobeefdip> | hello i have a questions about bind |
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| 21:15 | <willian> | make it |
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| 21:15 | <greatercow> | the question being? |
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| 21:16 | <baronobeefdip> | what is the naming scheme for the reverse lookup zone. where do the numbers go |
| 21:17 | <baronobeefdip> | for the filename i mean |
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| 21:21 | <baronobeefdip> | hello |
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| 22:09 | <nvt> | what's the chance to get HP ZR24W + ubuntu + Thinkpad T60 with integrated intel 950 working? :) |
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| 22:09 | <kop> | nvt: You'd have to ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:21 | <R_esh> | hi, is there any way to temporarily increase the size of /tmp? |
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| 22:22 | <R_esh> | i've tried changing the size setting in mtab, but it seems to reset every time the system boots. |
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| 22:26 | <kop> | R_esh: You probably need to read the reference guide. You resize the partition. (using parted or gparted or something else) and then the filesystem (if what you use to resize the partition does not work.) Of course that's not really temporary. |
| 22:26 | <kop> | R_esh: Otherwise look into "bind" mounting. "man mount" |
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| 22:27 | <kop> | R_esh: (But you wouldn't want to mount over something that's in use. So you'd have to, say, change /etc/fstab and reboot. |
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| 22:48 | <coolGuy> | hi |
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| 22:49 | <coolGuy> | does anyone know how to make a bootable usb from a snapshot taken with live-snapshot? |
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| 22:52 | <forrest> | coolGuy, i've always used unetbootin to make bootable usbs |
| 22:52 | <coolGuy> | hm...let me look into that, thanks forrest |
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| 22:56 | <forrest> | I'm trying to make a chroot jail on a usb drive with debootstrap, and I'm wondering how to get the usb automount to not use the nodev option |
| 22:56 | <Guest2050> | when is debian sid going to be released? |
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| 22:57 | <forrest> | sid will always be unstable |
| 22:57 | <Guest2050> | hehe |
| 22:57 | <forrest> | which you would understand if you saw toy story |
| 22:57 | <koollman> | forrest: I don't know how to change the default, but you can probably do something like : mount -o remount,dev /your/mount/point |
| 22:57 | <Guest2050> | forrest: no, I get it :) i always love that answer |
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| 23:01 | <forrest> | koollman: good idea, i'll try that |
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| 23:04 | <forrest> | koollman, works! thanks |
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| 23:05 | <forrest> | i was really hoping to be able to write a script that resides on the disk itself which would set up the chroot, though ... somehow i doubt i can remount a disk from a script that resides on that disk |
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| 23:05 | <koollman> | forrest: you probably can do that |
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| 23:08 | <forrest> | koollman, oh yeah, it does work |
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| 23:09 | * | forrest does a little happy dance |
| 23:09 | * | koollman does a little tired dance |
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| 23:22 | <anirban> | i am compiling kernel 3.0 in sid but getting " make: *** Documentation/lguest: No such file or directory. Stop.". but i have bzip2 and lzma-dev packages install |
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| 23:23 | <anirban> | sid/stable * |
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| 23:39 | <jeremy-77> | i have a hard drive that acts funny. its a WD 500 gig sata drive that only works if its the only hard drive installed. I also have a 36 gig sata raptor and a 250 gig sata drive that work fine together but wont work with the 500 plugged in. what I mean by not working is the pc wont get past post or wont even let me into bios. it will try and then freeze and even tries on different mother board for same problem. any one have an idea?? |
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| 23:40 | <koollman> | jeremy-77: not enough power available for two ? |
| 23:42 | <jeremy-77> | koollman, have plenty of power and it will run other 2 drives together but if I swap one of them for the 500 it wont finish the post at boot or go to bios. its a 600 watt power supply |
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| 23:42 | <koollman> | find the firmware version (with a tool like hdparm) and check vendor website to see if updates have been made |
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| 23:44 | <jeremy-77> | koollman, have not tried that but wouldnt I have to have it plugged in as a slave to install firmware? or would wd have a cd version of the software? I dont run floppy anymore. |
| 23:45 | <koollman> | I have no idea what they have as tools to flash firmware now. I rarely handle hardware, nowadays |
| 23:45 | <jeremy-77> | ok thanks for info ill try there website and see |
| 23:45 | <koollman> | although I just though of something ... it's sata2, right ? |
| 23:45 | <jeremy-77> | yes I think so |
| 23:46 | <koollman> | it's hotplug. boot without it, add it later, see if it's detected |
| 23:46 | <koollman> | it could show if it's a bios problem or a disk problem, too |
| 23:46 | <jeremy-77> | ill try that too |
| 23:47 | <cybersphinx_> | For sata hotplug, you need the correct bios settings though. |
| 23:47 | <jeremy-77> | its a newer asus motherboard |
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| 23:49 | <cybersphinx_> | The default settings are usually the conservative IDE mode, so that Windows XP works. You need to set it to AHCI, and disable everything sata related with legacy, shared... in the name. |
| 23:49 | <koollman> | oh, right. but you should do that anyway. IDE emulation generally sucks |
| 23:50 | <cybersphinx_> | Well, and if you're using XP, you need to install an ahci driver first. |
| 23:51 | <cybersphinx_> | In case you need to update some bios/firmware, use unetbootin. That can make a bootable USB stick with Freedos, then you copy the updater onto the stick as well, boot it, go to d: and run it. |
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