| --- | Log | opened Sun May 22 00:00:59 2011 |
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| 00:04 | <yasinoz> | hi |
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| 00:06 | <dominique_> | kenyon: thanks |
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| 00:13 | <nardev> | i sit possible to make my machine think that my wireless keyboard usb stick is always connected? |
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| 00:15 | <Osiris_X> | should setuid be set on /bin/su ? |
| 00:16 | <sney> | it follows that it would be, for su -c |
| 00:17 | <bleepbloop> | I'm running the stable distro, but I want to install the tint2 ver 0.11 package, which isn't in stable, but is in the testing distro. How would I go about installing it (with aptitude)? |
| 00:17 | <sney> | backport it yourself. instructions to follow |
| 00:17 | <sney> | !ssb |
| 00:17 | <dpkg> | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 00:18 | <bleepbloop> | sweet, thanks sney |
| 00:18 | <sney> | doesn't always work, sometimes there are too many dependencies that also need to be backported |
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| 00:23 | <Osiris_X> | sney, I am getting an "authentication error" every time I try to use su, any suggested fixes? it should be noted that a password is set for root |
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| 00:27 | <Osiris_X> | and my root LV is not mounted with nosuid |
| 00:28 | <sney> | does sudo work? |
| 00:29 | <Osiris_X> | sney, yes |
| 00:29 | <Osiris_X> | sney, are you suggesting that this is normal behaviour for su on debian now? |
| 00:30 | <sney> | I'm not |
| 00:30 | <sney> | but since they both use pam, and sudo works, it's most likely not a pam problem |
| 00:31 | <sney> | what happens after the error? does it let you su anyway? |
| 00:31 | <sney> | also, are you sure you're giving the right password? |
| 00:33 | <Osiris_X> | definitely the right password |
| 00:33 | <Osiris_X> | and nothing happens, I stay as my current user |
| 00:33 | <Osiris_X> | sney, I am looking into /etc/pam.d/su now - but I am not seeing anything that might be the cause |
| 00:34 | <sney> | if you try it with a deliberately wrong password, is the behaviour identical? same amount of time to go "hmm" at the password? usually a wrong password hmms for slightly longer |
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| 00:35 | <Osiris_X> | with a wrong password it takes longer |
| 00:35 | <sney> | hmm |
| 00:35 | <sney> | this is under stable, right? |
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| 00:36 | <Osiris_X> | hmmm - wheezy |
| 00:36 | <Osiris_X> | #debian-next ? |
| 00:36 | <nevyn> | yeah |
| 00:37 | <Osiris_X> | sorry to have bothered you all |
| 00:40 | <lethias> | I'm attempting to get compiz-fusion to work in gnome, I install the firmware-linux-nonfree for the radeon acceleration drivers and I can't boot into gnoem without it locking up. Remove the package and its fine. I'm I needing to possible remove something prior to using that? |
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| 00:42 | <sney> | lethias: not usually. you do need to have libdrm-radeon1 installed, but that's usually pulled in automatically |
| 00:43 | <sney> | lethias: if you have the fglrx driver installed, it may very well be conflicting |
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| 00:43 | <lethias> | I haven't installed fglrx. |
| 00:44 | <sney> | ok |
| 00:44 | <lethias> | I've only got a base install at the moment. |
| 00:45 | <sney> | I've never tried compiz on my ati system and it's out of commission at the moment, unfortunately |
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| 00:46 | <sney> | what gpu is it? |
| 00:46 | <lethias> | I had it working once before, it was disconnected from the net for a while, decided to hook it up and update and suddenly it broke. |
| 00:46 | <lethias> | Radeon 9550 |
| 00:46 | <lethias> | I decided to wipe it and fresh install, now can't even get the darn compiz to work. |
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| 00:47 | <lethias> | Keeps giving compiz(core) : error software renderer detected |
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| 00:51 | <sney> | my brain is done for the night. kaput. but maybe someone else will help with your radeon issue |
| 00:52 | <lethias> | haha I hear ya. Thanks for the help anyways :) |
| 00:52 | <lethias> | I'll have to keep tryin to hammer it out some how lol |
| 00:55 | <lethias> | hmm well off to reboot and try another attempt at the firmware. |
| 00:55 | <lethias> | lol |
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| 01:00 | <Nick1> | hello, can anybody take the time to help me get wifi conectivity on my new install of squeeze? i have been using ubuntu until the latest upgrade ruined everything, but squeeze has installed with no network conectivity and nothing i am familiar with is on the install cd..... |
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| 01:01 | <sney> | Nick1: what wifi adapter? you probably just need the firmware |
| 01:02 | <Nick1> | well, i cant even tell you really, because i know it works in ubuntu and its not been an issue in the past year |
| 01:02 | <sney> | in a terminal, run lspci -nn |grep -i net |
| 01:02 | <sney> | should only give you 1 or 2 lines, paste the one that looks like it's wireless |
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| 01:04 | <Nick1> | i must type sorry, not connectivity to that machine without a 150metre cable that dont have |
| 01:04 | <sney> | ok |
| 01:05 | <sney> | all I *really* need is the pci id, which will look something like [168c:001c] |
| 01:05 | <Nick1> | 01:06.0 Network contoller [0280]: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI [1814:0301] |
| 01:06 | <sney> | ,pciid 1814:0301 |
| 01:06 | <judd> | [1814:0301][1814:0301] is 'RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI' from 'Ralink corp.' with kernel module 'rt61pci' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0301 http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
| 01:07 | <sney> | Nick1: ok, follow the directions on that wiki page for Squeeze/6.0, install the firmware-ralink package it tells you about, and you should be good to go |
| 01:08 | <Nick1> | is that firmware likely to be on the iso disk1 of squeeze that i used for the install? |
| 01:08 | <Nick1> | or do i need start again? |
| 01:09 | <sney> | it's not on the standard cd1, no. there is a special installer with the firmware included. you can also download the firmware package from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-ralink and copy it over with a usb drive or whatever |
| 01:10 | <Nick1> | ok, i can cope with that :) |
| 01:10 | <Nick1> | thank you for pointing me in the right direction |
| 01:10 | <sney> | np |
| 01:11 | <Nick1> | next question, do you think there is any hope for ubuntu after the mess they made of 11.04 ? |
| 01:11 | <Nick1> | no need to answer that one :d |
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| 01:12 | <sney> | I'm sure they'll keep finding people to use their software, but tbqh I don't care what ubuntu does, I'm a debian user |
| 01:12 | <sney> | I did predict that their Unity switch would send a lot of annoyed ex users here, and so far i've been right |
| 01:12 | <dominique> | just made a script to auto-start my wireless connection :D |
| 01:12 | <sney> | !congratulate dominique |
| 01:12 | <dpkg> | Huzzah dominique, you did it! |
| 01:13 | <Nick1> | unity = great divide |
| 01:13 | <dominique> | clap clap *lol* |
| 01:13 | <Nick1> | well done dominique ! hope i am so lucky tonight |
| 01:18 | <dominique> | if i have a script saved in a folder, can i execute it with ./script? |
| 01:18 | <dominique> | do i have to enter the folder first? |
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| 01:19 | <sney> | ./ means "the folder I'm in now" |
| 01:20 | <sney> | if you have a script in /home/dominique/foo, and you're in /home/dominique/, you can do foo/script.sh |
| 01:20 | <dominique> | hmmm |
| 01:20 | <dominique> | so terminal always starts on /home/user |
| 01:21 | <dominique> | if i save it on /home/user/scripts, i can execute it with ./scripts/script.sh |
| 01:21 | <dominique> | am i right? |
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| 01:21 | <sney> | ... |
| 01:21 | <sney> | you don't need the ./ if you're doing a relative path |
| 01:21 | <dominique> | hmmm i see |
| 01:22 | <dominique> | but without it, the terminal won't complete the path with tab |
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| 02:02 | <Nick1> | ok.... |
| 02:02 | <Nick1> | how do i mount my usb memory stick? |
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| 02:27 | <devil> | Nick1: with pmount as user |
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| 02:32 | <andantino> | is debian easy to use? im pretty new to linux...im on ubuntu right now...was thinking about trying debian |
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| 02:36 | <arand> | andantino: Debian has more versatility, and a less shiny default setup, kind-of. |
| 02:36 | <nevyn> | ans more politics and philosophy. |
| 02:36 | <andantino> | its not as complex as arch though is it? |
| 02:37 | <nevyn> | andantino: it's way more sophisticated than arch |
| 02:37 | <andantino> | i mean in terms of use |
| 02:37 | <arand> | andantino: Not by far, (although Arch is "simple" ;) |
| 02:37 | <andantino> | like i tried putting arch on an old computer but i had a really hard time getting anything setup |
| 02:38 | <andantino> | i mean user friendly i guess....is debian user friendly |
| 02:39 | <nevyn> | andantino: user friendly is very poorly defined |
| 02:39 | <nevyn> | andantino: debian's somewhat picky about who it's friends are. |
| 02:39 | <andantino> | does it start up with more than a command line |
| 02:39 | <andantino> | :P |
| 02:40 | <arand> | andantino: I is quite simple to install and slpa a gnome desktop on it and just run with that, for example.. |
| 02:40 | <arand> | *slap |
| 02:40 | <nevyn> | andantino: it can. or not. |
| 02:40 | <andantino> | ok |
| 02:40 | <nevyn> | andantino: it depends on what you select to install.. |
| 02:41 | <andantino> | hmmm im using ubuntu and i like it thus far, but i find it very buggy |
| 02:41 | <andantino> | you mean what i select to install at the initial installation? |
| 02:42 | <nevyn> | yes. |
| 02:42 | <arand> | I do not think "buggyness" will differ much, since that's likely bugs in applications, rather than the distribution as such, I'd guess |
| 02:42 | <andantino> | im just wondering if i should jump in and give it a shot |
| 02:44 | <arand> | Debian often offers much more choice, control and stability, but Ubuntu is more of a "complete package". In my view. |
| 02:45 | <andantino> | hmm |
| 02:46 | <andantino> | at installation can you choose something other than alsa? |
| 02:46 | <nevyn> | lol |
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| 02:46 | <nevyn> | why would you want something other than alsa? |
| 02:47 | <andantino> | well im not sure if alsa is the problem but i have a lot of mic, headphone and speaker problems right now |
| 02:47 | <arand> | If you really wanted, yes, you likely woldn't want to, though.. |
| 02:47 | <andantino> | the odd thing is that it changes without me messing with it |
| 02:47 | <andantino> | like sometimes my mic works |
| 02:48 | <andantino> | sometimes not.....sometimes my speakers will play with headphones plugged in |
| 02:48 | <andantino> | etc |
| 02:48 | <ontherun> | hi, how do i install skype on debian? I wasn't a problem for me with ubuntu, what am i doing wrong? |
| 02:50 | <vook> | !skype |
| 02:50 | <dpkg> | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 02:51 | <ontherun> | so it wont work in debian? |
| 02:51 | <vook> | ontherun: it will work, but it isn't supported in this channel |
| 02:51 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun: it works in debian, it is just not supported in this channel |
| 02:52 | <vook> | ontherun: see stallman.org and be enlighted |
| 02:52 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, and you can download debian packages for skype directly from www.skype.com - and they install and work fine |
| 02:52 | <vook> | *enlightened |
| 02:52 | <ontherun> | okay, i just cant figure out how to install programs not supported by debian |
| 02:53 | <ontherun> | the install commands dont work |
| 02:53 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun : have you got the .deb file?????? |
| 02:53 | <ontherun> | not yet, I have the libre office deb file and couldnt install that |
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| 02:54 | <Osiris_X> | libreoffice is in the debian repository - install from there |
| 02:55 | <ontherun> | the repository? it wasnt in the software center |
| 02:55 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, for debs outside of the repository you could use 'dpkg -i' to install |
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| 02:55 | <Osiris_X> | wtf is the software centre? |
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| 02:56 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, what repositories do yo have configured in your apt sources? |
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| 02:56 | <ontherun> | system>administrator>software center |
| 02:57 | <ontherun> | I don't know what that is |
| 02:57 | <Osiris_X> | never used the software centre before - let me have a look |
| 02:57 | <ontherun> | so the skype .deb is downloaded what do i type? |
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| 02:59 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, 'sudo dpkg -i filename.deb' |
| 02:59 | <Osiris_X> | you will need to use sudo or su because you have to be root to install packages |
| 03:00 | <ontherun> | yeah im in su |
| 03:00 | <ontherun> | ill try |
| 03:00 | <Osiris_X> | the ignore the sudo bit |
| 03:00 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, I usually find it easier to maintain a local reporitory with these downloaded debs in - so I can see them in aptitude |
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| 03:01 | <ontherun> | do i need to cd to that folder first? |
| 03:01 | <Osiris_X> | the folder that contains the downloaded .deb file? |
| 03:01 | <ontherun> | okay, ive never used aptitude |
| 03:01 | <ontherun> | yeah |
| 03:02 | <Osiris_X> | you could just use the full pathname for the file |
| 03:02 | <Osiris_X> | or you can cd 1st |
| 03:02 | <Osiris_X> | it is up to you - standard shell behavious |
| 03:02 | <Osiris_X> | behaviour |
| 03:02 | <ontherun> | # cd ~/Downloads |
| 03:02 | <ontherun> | thats not working |
| 03:02 | <ontherun> | No such file or directory |
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| 03:03 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, ok and ... |
| 03:03 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, you are logged in as root, yes? |
| 03:04 | <Osiris_X> | I don't think /root/Downloads exists |
| 03:04 | <Osiris_X> | using '~' takes you to home directory of the user you are logged in as!!! |
| 03:04 | <ontherun> | ok i did something |
| 03:05 | <Osiris_X> | therfore I would suggest cd /home/<user>/Downloads |
| 03:05 | <ontherun> | Unpacking skype (from skype-debian_2.2.0.25-1_amd64.deb) ... |
| 03:05 | <ontherun> | then it said Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... |
| 03:05 | <Osiris_X> | it is installing |
| 03:05 | <ontherun> | but i dont think its installed |
| 03:05 | <Osiris_X> | I hope you have an amd64 system |
| 03:06 | <Osiris_X> | what makes you think it is not installed? |
| 03:06 | <ontherun> | yeah, its the now, cheers |
| 03:06 | <ontherun> | when you were talking about aptitude |
| 03:06 | <Osiris_X> | wow you really have never installed from the command line before |
| 03:06 | <kenyon> | gdebi is the better way to install debs, not dpkg -i |
| 03:06 | <ontherun> | :) |
| 03:06 | <kenyon> | !gdebi |
| 03:06 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, gdebi is a tool to install manually downloaded .deb packages. It is useful as it automatically resolves dependencies for you. aptitude install gdebi or aptitude install gdebi-kde. And/or aptitude install gdebi-core for the command-line utility. https://launchpad.net/gdebi |
| 03:07 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, see gdebi as kenyon suggested - I'm too old-school (or maybe just out-dated) |
| 03:07 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, there is even a gui front-end for gdebi I believe |
| 03:08 | <ontherun> | okay sure, so i type aptitude first though |
| 03:08 | <Osiris_X> | you should be able to install gdebi from the software centre |
| 03:08 | <ontherun> | i was trying to use synaptic, |
| 03:08 | <ontherun> | with no luck |
| 03:08 | <Osiris_X> | what does "with no luck" mean? |
| 03:08 | <Osiris_X> | error? |
| 03:09 | <kenyon> | synaptic can do mostly the same things as aptitude |
| 03:09 | <ontherun> | i just cant find any deb packages to download |
| 03:09 | <ontherun> | i cant open them with the program |
| 03:09 | <ontherun> | gdebi is already installed |
| 03:09 | <Osiris_X> | what command are you using? |
| 03:10 | <Osiris_X> | it is hard to understand what you are doing |
| 03:10 | <kenyon> | you don't need to manually download packages |
| 03:10 | <ontherun> | i was using the gui |
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| 03:10 | <ontherun> | i know, but sometimes I like to because i dont know what to type to get them |
| 03:10 | <Osiris_X> | in any case back to the original issue - I see libreoffice in software centre |
| 03:11 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, software centre has a search facility which seems to work well |
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| 03:11 | <ontherun> | its not there for me |
| 03:11 | <Osiris_X> | got edit -> software sources |
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| 03:11 | <Arrowmaster> | libreoffice is not in squeeze |
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| 03:12 | <Osiris_X> | aaahhhh : thanks Arrowmaster |
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| 03:12 | <ontherun> | okay so i cant have it? |
| 03:12 | <ontherun> | im in software sources |
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| 03:13 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, so you will have to add the wheezy apt souces if you want it |
| 03:13 | <ontherun> | okay how do i do that |
| 03:13 | <Arrowmaster> | you shouldnt mix testing and stable |
| 03:13 | <Osiris_X> | but that could have implications and I'm not sure you are ready for that |
| 03:13 | <ontherun> | ive already downloaded the package though |
| 03:13 | <ontherun> | okay |
| 03:13 | <ontherun> | ill leave it be |
| 03:14 | <Osiris_X> | Arrrowmaster - what do you suggest? |
| 03:14 | <ontherun> | what about something like installing the flash plug-in in chrome? |
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| 03:15 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, flash is built-into chrome |
| 03:15 | <Osiris_X> | you should not need to install a plugin |
| 03:15 | <ontherun> | its not running |
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| 03:16 | <ontherun> | and in iceweasel every time i run flash, my cpu hits 100% |
| 03:16 | <ontherun> | just from one video |
| 03:16 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun - yes flash is poorly written crap - it does that |
| 03:16 | <Osiris_X> | what cpu do you have? |
| 03:17 | <ontherun> | a bad one, a solo atom |
| 03:17 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, then it won't matter what browser your run flash in |
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| 03:17 | <Osiris_X> | or even what OS you run it on |
| 03:17 | <Osiris_X> | it is still going to be like a lame dog |
| 03:17 | <ontherun> | its fine in windows 7 |
| 03:18 | <ontherun> | no issues fast and smooth |
| 03:18 | <Osiris_X> | you run windows 7 on a solo atom? |
| 03:18 | <ontherun> | yes 4 gig ram |
| 03:18 | <ontherun> | im on a laptop |
| 03:18 | <ontherun> | it was fine i bought it this way |
| 03:19 | <Osiris_X> | well in any case - flash does not work well (efficiently) on platforms outside of windows |
| 03:19 | <ontherun> | 1.4 ghz |
| 03:19 | <Osiris_X> | as far as I can understand it is fundamentally optimised for windows - and adobe have done a shit job at porting it Linux |
| 03:19 | <ontherun> | i wish i could get it running in chrome though |
| 03:19 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, 1.4Ghz and you can run windows 7??? |
| 03:20 | <ontherun> | smooth as butter |
| 03:20 | <Osiris_X> | wow MS really did make big improvements on Vista LOL |
| 03:20 | <ontherun> | i never had any issues with opening 20 flash tabs |
| 03:20 | <ontherun> | in chrome |
| 03:21 | <ontherun> | seriously at about 20 it would crash |
| 03:21 | <Osiris_X> | well I am using google-chrome-beta and flash is in-built |
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| 03:21 | <ontherun> | chromium ... sorry |
| 03:21 | <ontherun> | i have chromium |
| 03:22 | <Osiris_X> | where did you get it from? |
| 03:22 | <ontherun> | someone from here told me what to type :) |
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| 03:23 | <alyosha> | hi i need some help |
| 03:23 | <alyosha> | i put new lan card in pc with debian |
| 03:23 | <Osiris_X> | ok but they must have given you a url to download it from |
| 03:23 | <alyosha> | and it is not recognised |
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| 03:23 | <alyosha> | and i'm not sure what i have to do:/ |
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| 03:24 | <ontherun> | nah just some command |
| 03:24 | <ontherun> | apt-get install chromium or whatever |
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| 03:24 | <ontherun> | the laptops mic is not picking up in skype... |
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| 03:26 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun - are you using pulseaudio? |
| 03:26 | <ontherun> | not sure |
| 03:27 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, have you actuall gone into the settings of skype? |
| 03:27 | <ontherun> | there is no settings tab |
| 03:27 | <ontherun> | found it |
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| 03:28 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, I suggest you figure out if you are using a soundserver liked Esound, ARTS, PulseAudio etc 1st or ALSA / OSS directly |
| 03:29 | <ontherun> | ok how do i do that? |
| 03:29 | <ontherun> | i cant resolve mic issues in the settings |
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| 03:32 | <ontherun> | my sound device is HDA intel (alsa mixer) |
| 03:32 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun, how do you know that? |
| 03:32 | <ontherun> | but thats not what you are saying is it? |
| 03:33 | <ontherun> | i looked under volume controll |
| 03:33 | <Osiris_X> | where it has a drop down list for device click on it |
| 03:33 | <Osiris_X> | and see what the other entries are |
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| 03:34 | <ontherun> | already done that, nothing else |
| 03:34 | <Osiris_X> | ok so it appears you don't have pulseaudio |
| 03:34 | <Osiris_X> | or it is not configured properly |
| 03:34 | <ontherun> | okay |
| 03:34 | <nevyn> | what package contains hda-verb and hda-analyzer |
| 03:34 | <nevyn> | ? |
| 03:35 | <ontherun> | im installing pluse now |
| 03:37 | <ompaul> | nevyn: hda is thinkpad or something else? |
| 03:37 | <Osiris_X> | version 6 of chromium is very old, stable should be version 11 - which one do you have ontherun |
| 03:37 | <nevyn> | ompaul: it's the tools for visualising HD_Audio soundcard connectivity |
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| 03:38 | <ontherun> | 6.0.472.63 (59945) Built on Debian 6.0 |
| 03:38 | <Arrowmaster> | why would you install pulse |
| 03:39 | <ontherun> | what is your solution to my audio issues then |
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| 03:39 | <ontherun> | i have some drop-down menu now |
| 03:39 | <Arrowmaster> | i dont know i wasnt paying attention but i doubt installing pulse will have any positive effect |
| 03:40 | <ontherun> | but changint them hasnt done anything |
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| 03:40 | * | nevyn likes pulse |
| 03:41 | <Osiris_X> | ontherun which dropdown |
| 03:41 | <ompaul> | Xerrao[Detached]: you really don't have to change your nick in here ;-) |
| 03:41 | <ontherun> | under volume controll |
| 03:41 | <ompaul> | /away not here - detached would do |
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| 03:42 | <devil> | moaning ompaul |
| 03:42 | <ontherun> | i now have 4 choices. intel, capture (pules) etc |
| 03:43 | <ontherun> | none of them fix the problem |
| 03:43 | <ompaul> | devil: a very good moaning to you sir, no rapturous applause then ;-) |
| 03:43 | <nevyn> | ontherun: if you couldn't make capture work without pulse then you won't be able to make it work with it. |
| 03:43 | <ompaul> | nevyn: I have run out of ideas in my searching ask again in half an hour I guess |
| 03:43 | <devil> | ontherun: its always good to have more than one non-working choices. the benefits of puldaudio ;) |
| 03:44 | <ontherun> | okay.. :) |
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| 03:44 | <Arrowmaster> | see |
| 03:44 | <nevyn> | don't get me wrong pulse is useful. |
| 03:44 | <ontherun> | im not even sure what it is |
| 03:44 | <Arrowmaster> | its something you dont need |
| 03:45 | <nevyn> | meh maybe. |
| 03:45 | * | ompaul states be bleeding obvious "audio is rubbish on linux, but it is a lot better than five years ago" |
| 03:45 | * | devil patpats alsa |
| 03:45 | <nevyn> | it's not going to help solve your current problem certainly. |
| 03:45 | <ontherun> | mines not :( |
| 03:45 | <ontherun> | hmmmm |
| 03:45 | <nevyn> | my 3 soundcards all work in linux |
| 03:46 | <ontherun> | i have sound |
| 03:46 | <ontherun> | no mic though |
| 03:46 | <nevyn> | onboard HD_audio, logitech usb headset, M-audio 8x8 usb2 |
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| 03:47 | <Arrowmaster> | ive had no major issues other than i wish alsa would just assume all intel HD audio cards lack a hardware mixer unless told otherwise |
| 03:47 | <ontherun> | what should i try? |
| 03:47 | <ompaul> | Arrowmaster: write that bug |
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| 03:48 | <ompaul> | ontherun: aptitude remove --purge pulseaudio; aptitude install alsamixer alsa |
| 03:48 | <devil> | ompaul: my guess is, someone did that by now. |
| 03:49 | <Arrowmaster> | i would have remove my asoundrc and check |
| 03:49 | <ompaul> | devil: the bug, nice to remind them ;-) the other thin ... |
| 03:49 | <ontherun> | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
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| 03:49 | <devil> | root |
| 03:49 | <ompaul> | ontherun: su - |
| 03:50 | <ontherun> | ok |
| 03:50 | <ontherun> | done |
| 03:50 | <ompaul> | run alsamixer |
| 03:51 | <ompaul> | as an ordinary user |
| 03:51 | <alyosha> | hi how can i see usb content?!? |
| 03:51 | <ompaul> | so CTRL D to quit as root |
| 03:51 | <alyosha> | i cant find it |
| 03:51 | <alyosha> | it should be in /media ? |
| 03:51 | <ompaul> | alyosha: that question lacks a lot of context can you reastate it on one line |
| 03:51 | <ontherun> | im in it |
| 03:52 | <ompaul> | ontherun: you see your mic ... is it muted? |
| 03:52 | <ontherun> | nope |
| 03:52 | <alyosha> | i put usb key in pc and i don't know where is located |
| 03:52 | <ompaul> | MM = device muted |
| 03:52 | <ontherun> | 100<>100 |
| 03:52 | <ompaul> | ontherun: have fun it should just work for you now |
| 03:52 | <devil> | alyosha: is it mounted? |
| 03:52 | <devil> | alyosha: the command mount will tell you |
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| 03:53 | <ontherun> | grrr its still not working |
| 03:53 | <alyosha> | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb ? |
| 03:53 | <alyosha> | i think this is it |
| 03:53 | <devil> | no |
| 03:53 | <alyosha> | :) |
| 03:53 | <alyosha> | i''m prety new |
| 03:54 | <Arrowmaster> | what desktop environment are you using? gnome, kde, xfce, lxde? |
| 03:54 | <devil> | alyosha: its not /proc for sure |
| 03:54 | <ompaul> | Arrowmaster: who are you asking |
| 03:54 | <Arrowmaster> | alyosha |
| 03:54 | <alyosha> | amm i'm not using any grafick enviroment |
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| 03:54 | <alyosha> | i'm in "terminal" |
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| 03:54 | <Arrowmaster> | then you need to manually mount it |
| 03:54 | <devil> | alyosha: then install and use pmount |
| 03:54 | <ontherun> | ompaul, what next? still not picking up sound |
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| 03:55 | <ompaul> | ontherun: check your wiring is in the right place |
| 03:55 | <ompaul> | ontherun: no manual switches turning off volume |
| 03:55 | <ontherun> | its inbuilt mic |
| 03:55 | <ontherun> | no |
| 03:55 | <devil> | alyosha: look at fdisk -l, it'll tell you the deviice name. then just, as user: pmount dev/sd<what_fdisk -l_ says> |
| 03:55 | <alyosha> | devil i can't install anything cuz lan card is not working...and i put firmware on usb and i would like to install |
| 03:55 | <ontherun> | its a inbuilt laptop mic |
| 03:55 | <alyosha> | i'll try mount manuali |
| 03:56 | <devil> | alyosha: mount -a |
| 03:56 | <devil> | but you need to know the device name |
| 03:56 | <devil> | so first fdisk -l |
| 03:57 | <devil> | or mount -a and lookk at ls -l /media |
| 03:57 | <ompaul> | ontherun: the steps given should work - what software are you testing the mic with |
| 03:57 | <alyosha> | /dev/sda is this it? |
| 03:57 | <ontherun> | skype and sound recorder |
| 03:57 | <alyosha> | sda1 |
| 03:58 | <devil> | alyosha: not if syou have an installed system |
| 03:58 | <ontherun> | I could already adust my mic settings via 'volume control' |
| 03:58 | <devil> | alyosha: how many disk do you have? |
| 03:58 | <devil> | alyosha: just look at fdisk -l! |
| 03:58 | <alyosha> | i did |
| 03:58 | * | devil should put that on tape |
| 03:58 | <alyosha> | and there i have hdd |
| 03:59 | <devil> | alyosha: the last entry is your stick (compare size) |
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| 03:59 | <alyosha> | and something 8gb witch is usb |
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| 03:59 | <ontherun> | ompaul: what's S/PDIF |
| 03:59 | <ompaul> | ontherun: turn off skype atm restart the other sound recorder; skype has known issues it being as buggy as hell - apt-get install audacity if this fails and see |
| 03:59 | <ontherun> | ompaul: because that's off |
| 03:59 | <alyosha> | ls |
| 03:59 | <alyosha> | ehh |
| 03:59 | <ompaul> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/PDIF |
| 04:00 | <ompaul> | alyosha: this is not a terminal ;-) |
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| 04:00 | <devil> | alyosha: if you have only 1 disk, your usb device is sdb1 |
| 04:00 | <nevyn> | skype is not a good app to test with |
| 04:01 | <devil> | alyosha: so your line would be: mount /dev/sdb1 /media/disk |
| 04:01 | <alyosha> | i just tried and it says that i must specify the filesiystem type? |
| 04:01 | <devil> | alyosha: what is it? |
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| 04:01 | <alyosha> | ntfs |
| 04:01 | <devil> | ouch, thats odd for an usb-stick ;) |
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| 04:02 | <nevyn> | !ntfs3g |
| 04:02 | <dpkg> | methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 04:02 | <ontherun> | ompaul: im in audacity, not recording |
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| 04:02 | <alyosha> | or is it fat?:D |
| 04:02 | <devil> | alyosha: mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/disk might work |
| 04:02 | <ompaul> | ontherun: mic faulty? |
| 04:03 | <ontherun> | nope, was just talking to mum last night on it with windows |
| 04:04 | <ompaul> | ontherun: it is possible that logging in and out could release any locks that our friend skype put in place |
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| 04:04 | <ontherun> | okay |
| 04:04 | <ontherun> | ill be back then |
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| 04:04 | * | ompaul shoots skype in the head |
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| 04:05 | <devil> | ompaul: skype is in the right hands now, they will fix it up good ;) |
| 04:05 | <ompaul> | aye |
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| 04:06 | <ontherun> | ompaul: still not working :( |
| 04:07 | <ompaul> | ontherun: what model laptop is it |
| 04:07 | <ontherun> | acer something |
| 04:07 | <ompaul> | that is make not model |
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| 04:07 | <ontherun> | i know, ill try find out |
| 04:08 | <ompaul> | you pick it up and look on the bottom ;-) |
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| 04:08 | <ompaul> | monty python ====> that way |
| 04:08 | <ontherun> | aspire 4810T is the rirts letters |
| 04:09 | <ontherun> | ms2271 is the model number |
| 04:10 | <ompaul> | the 4810T was enough |
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| 04:13 | <ompaul> | ontherun: the debian you are using is squeeze I take it |
| 04:13 | <ontherun> | correct |
| 04:14 | <ompaul> | ontherun: open alsamixer and hit the "prt scrn" button to create a screen shot (close anything you don't want seen) and pop that onto imagebin.org |
| 04:14 | <ontherun> | ok |
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| 04:17 | <ompaul> | http://imagebin.org/154449 |
| 04:17 | <ontherun> | http://imagebin.org/154449 |
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| 04:18 | <ontherun> | is that right |
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| 04:18 | <ompaul> | ontherun: it looks ok |
| 04:18 | <ompaul> | but you have skype ope |
| 04:18 | <ompaul> | open |
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| 04:18 | <ompaul> | when you left I didn't want it back on |
| 04:19 | <ontherun> | yeah, i tested it again |
| 04:19 | <ontherun> | oh |
| 04:19 | * | ompaul head desks |
| 04:19 | <ompaul> | IF it is buggy and blocks the mic you are most certainly going to have fun |
| 04:19 | <ontherun> | so log off again? |
| 04:19 | <ontherun> | but it didnt work before skype was even installed |
| 04:19 | <ompaul> | don't use skype as a test suite use audacity |
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| 04:20 | <ompaul> | you have changed things since then |
| 04:20 | <ontherun> | okay , do it again? |
| 04:20 | <ompaul> | for one - you got rid of pulse and installed alsa |
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| 04:20 | <ontherun> | okay ill try again |
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| 04:20 | <ompaul> | please and btw turn up the muted but it should not impact and press F4 so you see all inputs |
| 04:21 | * | ompaul takes up smoking after 11 years again |
| 04:21 | <ompaul> | </jk> |
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| 04:21 | <roland_> | no go, not working |
| 04:22 | <roland_> | ompaul: give up? |
| 04:23 | <ompaul> | please and btw turn up the muted but it should not impact and press F4 so you see all inputs |
| 04:23 | <ompaul> | was my comment as you left |
| 04:24 | <roland_> | where do i do that? |
| 04:24 | <ompaul> | turn up the s/pidf but I doubt that it works |
| 04:24 | <ompaul> | alsamixer |
| 04:24 | <roland_> | k |
| 04:24 | <ompaul> | how are you testing |
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| 04:25 | <roland_> | audacity |
| 04:26 | <ompaul> | alright |
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| 04:26 | <roland_> | i cant turn on s/pdif. what is the key? |
| 04:26 | <roland_> | its on mm |
| 04:26 | <ompaul> | up cursor |
| 04:26 | <roland_> | not working |
| 04:26 | <nevyn> | enter |
| 04:26 | <nevyn> | or space |
| 04:27 | <roland_> | tried all those |
| 04:27 | <ompaul> | sorruy it won't work it does not have a column over it |
| 04:27 | <ompaul> | sorry |
| 04:27 | <roland_> | okay |
| 04:27 | <ompaul> | roland_: try an external mic |
| 04:28 | <roland_> | i dont have one, ill buy one tomorrow |
| 04:28 | <roland_> | i would rather not have to buy one though |
| 04:28 | <nevyn> | ompaul: yeah it will |
| 04:28 | <ompaul> | borrow and test |
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| 04:28 | <ompaul> | nevyn: ? |
| 04:28 | <roland_> | usb or 3.5? |
| 04:28 | <nevyn> | spdif has no mixer capability. it's on or off. so you can switch it without having a column over it |
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| 04:29 | <ompaul> | ah |
| 04:29 | <roland_> | i cant switch it |
| 04:29 | <roland_> | no button will switch it |
| 04:29 | <Zaba> | did you try 'm' |
| 04:29 | <ompaul> | roland_: I'd get hard wired but that is me |
| 04:29 | <roland_> | ok |
| 04:29 | <ompaul> | none of your usb guessing |
| 04:30 | * | ompaul still does not trust USB |
| 04:30 | <roland_> | what is there to trust? |
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| 04:32 | * | nevyn still dislikes the physical connector profile. |
| 04:32 | <nevyn> | particularly A |
| 04:32 | <nevyn> | B's not so bad. |
| 04:32 | <Zaba> | I dislike it that there are so many variants |
| 04:32 | <wala> | hi |
| 04:32 | <wala> | im here for first time |
| 04:32 | <nevyn> | Zaba: there's only like 4 |
| 04:33 | <wala> | zaba |
| 04:33 | <wala> | zabaaa |
| 04:33 | <nevyn> | well there's 7 but 3 that matter. |
| 04:33 | <nevyn> | 4 if you care about OTG |
| 04:33 | <ompaul> | wala: have you a debian question? |
| 04:33 | <wala> | hi |
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| 04:34 | <wala> | hi |
| 04:34 | <wala> | im sorry for interupt |
| 04:34 | <ompaul> | wala: what is your debian question? |
| 04:34 | <wala> | me? |
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| 04:35 | <ompaul> | you are using the nick wala so yes you |
| 04:35 | <wala> | hhha |
| 04:35 | <wala> | im sorry |
| 04:35 | <wala> | im very bad in using |
| 04:35 | <wala> | linux |
| 04:35 | <wala> | platform |
| 04:35 | <wala> | so |
| 04:35 | <wala> | im lost |
| 04:36 | <ompaul> | you are on irc |
| 04:36 | <wala> | wat |
| 04:36 | <wala> | yas |
| 04:36 | <wala> | i know |
| 04:36 | <ompaul> | are you on debian? |
| 04:37 | <wala> | yas |
| 04:37 | <wala> | as i think |
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| 04:37 | <roland_> | lol |
| 04:37 | <ompaul> | !tell wala about ask |
| 04:37 | <ompaul> | wala: read the message from dpkg |
| 04:38 | <MrFrood> | !tell wala about irc tutorial |
| 04:38 | <wala> | yas i read it |
| 04:39 | <wala> | and so |
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| 04:39 | <wala> | i feel like |
| 04:39 | <wala> | an elian |
| 04:39 | <@Ganneff> | !enter |
| 04:39 | <dpkg> | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:39 | <@Ganneff> | and if you don thave a debian question: #moocows or #debian-offtopic |
| 04:40 | <wala> | ok |
| 04:40 | <wala> | first what is debian??? |
| 04:40 | <ompaul> | bye |
| 04:40 | <wala> | hhhhhhhhhhha |
| 04:40 | <wala> | im so ignor |
| 04:41 | <wala> | im sorry |
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| 04:43 | <alyosha> | hi i would like to install this package http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek |
| 04:43 | <alyosha> | but since mi internet don't work i downloadate |
| 04:43 | <alyosha> | .tar.gz |
| 04:44 | <alyosha> | and now i'm not sure how to install this |
| 04:45 | <nevyn> | alyosha: if you downloaded that. it's not a tar.gz |
| 04:45 | <alyosha> | [firmware-nonfree_0.28.tar.gz][firmware-nonfree_0.28.tar.gz] |
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| 04:45 | <alyosha> | or it would be better if i downloaded .dsc? |
| 04:46 | <darius_> | deb would be best |
| 04:46 | <nevyn> | download the .deb file |
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| 04:46 | <nevyn> | http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.28_all.deb |
| 04:46 | <alyosha> | oo nice:) |
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| 04:48 | <nevyn> | the link to that is on the page you posted. |
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| 04:52 | <vinus> | hi all |
| 04:52 | <vinus> | is the right place to get an help for xubuntu new user? |
| 04:53 | <nevyn> | no. |
| 04:53 | <nevyn> | try #ubuntu |
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| 04:53 | <vinus> | thanks. any suggestion ? |
| 04:53 | <vinus> | ok thanks |
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| 05:01 | <Guest1798> | !perl |
| 05:01 | <dpkg> | Perl (backronymed as Practical Extraction and Report Language and Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) is an interpreted, high-level, dynamic programming language. http://learn.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/ #perl on irc.freenode.net. See also <dh-make-perl>. |
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| 05:07 | <mjt> | Lovely. Just tried several music players in a row - exaile, lxmusic (I run lxde), amarok, some gnome thing. Neither of them works :) |
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| 05:07 | <CyberCalm> | mjt, does sound work? |
| 05:07 | <mjt> | i usually used mplayer or vlc lately, from command line, wanted to try some more "gui" verson :) |
| 05:07 | <CyberCalm> | Like, any sound |
| 05:08 | <mjt> | exaile does not play anything - it says it's playing but no sound is produced. lxmusic does not add any file to the playlist - neither flac nor mp3 nor ogg. amarok crashes at startup (sigsegv) |
| 05:08 | <CyberCalm> | No i mean... |
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| 05:08 | <CyberCalm> | Does anything else produce audio |
| 05:08 | <mjt> | vlc works, mplayer works |
| 05:08 | <CyberCalm> | ok |
| 05:09 | <mjt> | firefox^Wiceweasel works too |
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| 05:09 | <MrFrood> | !tell mjt about alsa-checklist |
| 05:09 | <CyberCalm> | I'm not familure with any of those programs, try audacious and look @ preferences to configure your settings properly |
| 05:09 | <CyberCalm> | I've used AmaroK but i really dislike it since they moved away from the 1.4 gui |
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| 05:10 | <mjt> | alsa works correctly (re alsa-checklist), and i don't have oss (compat) modules loaded |
| 05:11 | <mjt> | what (simple, gui) players people use? The above 3 is what I found installed. |
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| 05:12 | * | CyberCalm sighs |
| 05:12 | <CyberCalm> | See previous post. |
| 05:12 | <mjt> | ah |
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| 05:13 | <mjt> | audacious is the project which was started "on top" of xmms, right? |
| 05:13 | <CyberCalm> | erm |
| 05:13 | <CyberCalm> | No? |
| 05:13 | <CyberCalm> | I dont know what you mean by on top though |
| 05:13 | <CyberCalm> | It doesn't matter either way though.. |
| 05:14 | <mjt> | oh, it was beep, not xmms |
| 05:14 | <MrFrood> | mjt: I have vlc & mplayer for vids but for audio I'm TUI all the was with MOC and shell-fm (piping to mplayer) so no simple GUI players here :-/ |
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| 05:15 | <mjt> | audacious works out of the box. Thanks! :) |
| 05:15 | <CyberCalm> | No problem, Take a look @ some of the plugins, two of them atleast to my ears help with making audio cripser etc |
| 05:15 | <CyberCalm> | various plugins do various things |
| 05:16 | * | MrFrood thinks the quickest was to improve the audio output is to use JACK |
| 05:17 | <MrFrood> | *way |
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| 05:18 | <CyberCalm> | I can't believe its so late and im still not even remotely tired. not good. |
| 05:18 | <CyberCalm> | Late // Early |
| 05:18 | * | MrFrood thinks CyberCalm is not on UTC |
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| 05:19 | <CyberCalm> | lol |
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| 05:21 | <darius_w> | where does bluetooth/hcid.conf gone in squeeze? how do i make my phone find the pc ? |
| 05:21 | <mjt> | aha. I remember why I disliked audacious: I can't put it into system tray. |
| 05:22 | <CyberCalm> | yes you can |
| 05:22 | <CyberCalm> | "theres a plugin for that" |
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| 05:25 | <mjt> | heh |
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| 05:30 | <mjt> | ok, found it. status icon. Thanks! |
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| 05:34 | <mjt> | Le Roi Est Mort, Vive Le Roi! |
| 05:34 | <mjt> | er |
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| 05:38 | <NthDegree[Web]> | Does anyone know of any file/data recovery software for Debian? |
| 05:38 | <NthDegree[Web]> | Ideally to recover from FAT/FAT32 |
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| 05:39 | <darius_w> | tar ;) |
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| 05:39 | <NthDegree[Web]> | darius__, portable drive, from a Windows user (feeling sorry for me yet?) ;-p |
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| 05:40 | <t32> | why i can't install anything ? pkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 05:41 | <darius_w> | t32: error explains everything, run sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 05:41 | <t32> | darius_w, right! :) thanks |
| 05:42 | <t32> | darius_w, my bad |
| 05:42 | <darius_w> | t32: that happend most probably becouse you rebooted your system while instalkling something.. |
| 05:42 | <MAXmark> | try aptitude |
| 05:43 | <t32> | darius_w, got it |
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| 05:43 | * | NthDegree[Web] has found testdisk as a solution :D |
| 05:43 | <t32> | darius_w, and why after installing Nvidia driver i got wrong boot screen resolution ? |
| 05:43 | <t32> | darius_w, its big lik 800x600 and 8bit colors |
| 05:45 | <darius_w> | try reconfigure and reboot |
| 05:45 | <t32> | how to reconfigure it ? |
| 05:46 | <t32> | im new on linux :)) sorry |
| 05:47 | <mjt> | fun. I thought it's just one application, but it appears _all_ gtk progress bars are not working here somehow :) |
| 05:47 | <darius_w> | not sure about this, nvidia gives you utility to gerenera xorg.conf |
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| 05:47 | <mjt> | darius_w: how about forgetting xorg.conf already :) |
| 05:47 | <mjt> | !xorg.conf |
| 05:47 | <dpkg> | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>. |
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| 05:49 | <darius_w> | ok ok ;) |
| 05:50 | <EmleyMoor> | Is there a program or setting out there (GNOME, if it helps) that will inhibit the screen saver with the pointer at a particular edge/corner? |
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| 05:55 | <arand> | EmleyMoor: I know ther's a panel toggle app, not sure if compiz can do corner detection on it.. |
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| 06:01 | <darius_w> | where to put stuff from hcid.conf in squeeze? :/ |
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| 06:16 | <juri> | hi, how to get vp8 encoder to work with vlc? |
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| 06:25 | <MrFrood> | juri: #videolan on irc.videolan.org |
| 06:29 | <juri> | but the problem is stripped vlc in debian, vlc in other distris use encoders like x264 and vp8 |
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| 06:30 | <MrFrood> | juri: I thought with vlc the encoders were built-in..? |
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| 06:31 | <juri> | not at all in debian |
| 06:31 | <MrFrood> | juri: build it from source then |
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| 06:33 | <albertito> | hi! I'm getting "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." from bttracker.debian.org. I'm using rtorrent (I recently upgraded it, although it may have been happening before) |
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| 06:35 | <albertito> | I'm trying to seed some of the Debian ISOs, and it used to work at least until a few days ago |
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| 06:35 | <albertito> | Is this a known issue? Or should I file a bug or contact someone about it? |
| 06:36 | <juri> | that is difficult, course of ffmpeg. but vp8 comes with chromium codecs so vlc can use it, but do nont |
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| 06:47 | <MrFrood> | !tell juri about build-dep |
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| 07:00 | <juri> | ok, thx ,i will try build it from source |
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| 07:38 | <PeterNL> | Hi, sorry for being 1 minute late :D |
| 07:38 | <PeterNL> | But how stable is debian testing atn? |
| 07:38 | <PeterNL> | atm* |
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| 07:42 | <lee-0> | PeterNL: I´m using testing, didn´t have problems in years with it. |
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| 07:43 | <EmleyMoor> | Is there a program or setting out there (GNOME, if it helps) that will inhibit the screen saver with the pointer at a particular edge/corner? |
| 07:43 | <lee-0> | PeterNL: I started doing so because the big leaps between releases turned out to be more troublesome than to always use testing. |
| 07:45 | <PeterNL> | Okay. Will install testing on my laptop today. ubuntu upgrades suck, so I am still running ubuntu 9.10 :D |
| 07:46 | <lee-0> | PeterNL: You should be fine with testing :) |
| 07:47 | <PeterNL> | okay. Should i use "testing" or "wheezy" |
| 07:48 | <PeterNL> | e.g. what is the best thing to have when wheeze becomes stable? |
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| 07:50 | <lee-0> | PeterNL: I don´t know about the release names. I´m just using testing all the time. |
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| 07:50 | <PeterNL> | the current testing is wheezy, but when that becomes stable, how stable will the new testing be? |
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| 07:51 | <PeterNL> | Oh, and how easy is it to upgrade from stable to testing? |
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| 07:52 | <lee-0> | PeterNL: I think I´ve done that only once, years ago, and it wasn´t any more difficult than upgrading from one stable release to the next. Actually, it should be easier because testing isn´t as far ahead of stable as the next stable release will be ahead of the last one :) |
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| 07:53 | <PeterNL> | so I should just adapt the oldstable > stable instructions? Sounds easy ;) |
| 07:53 | <lee-0> | Just upgrade once in a while to keep your testing up to date. |
| 07:54 | <PeterNL> | And how's upgrading from ubuntu to debian? Or is that (near-)impossible? |
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| 07:55 | <lee-0> | If you currently have stable installed, there should be instructions to upgrade to testing. If not, I´d think you could use the oldstable-->stable instructions and apply them to testing. |
| 07:55 | <SynrG> | PeterNL: re testing, see #debian-next |
| 07:55 | <lee-0> | I´ve never used Ubuntu. You probably can´t upgrade it to Debian testing since they are different distributions. |
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| 07:56 | <PeterNL> | Well, that I won't bother trying ;) |
| 07:56 | <PeterNL> | then* |
| 07:56 | <SynrG> | re ubuntu -> debian, do a fresh install of debian instead. migrate over your data (/home) and confs *carefully* because there may be important differences between them |
| 07:56 | <SynrG> | i.e. don't just stomp on /etc with the ubuntu /etc. likewise with dotfiles in your home dir |
| 07:57 | <PeterNL> | I think I won't migrate /etc since I don't have anything special in there anyway. |
| 07:57 | <PeterNL> | And I'll try opera Link for my browser config (I'm and Opera fan...) |
| 07:57 | <PeterNL> | s/and/a/ |
| 07:57 | <PeterNL> | s/and/an/ |
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| 07:58 | <lee-0> | ok, I need to reboot --- bbl |
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| 07:58 | * | grove has tried upgrading ubuntu->debian twice, it's not adviceable |
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| 07:59 | <PeterNL> | Then I'll just image the disk and start all over again. This is also the right moment to remove my temporary windows install ;) |
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| 08:01 | <dominique> | good morning |
| 08:01 | <PeterNL> | Morning! |
| 08:01 | <dominique> | PeterNL: how's everything? :) |
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| 08:02 | <PeterNL> | Fine. |
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| 08:02 | <PeterNL> | How's everything in Brazil? |
| 08:02 | <PeterNL> | (don't ask) |
| 08:03 | <dominique> | PeterNL: as good and hot as usual :) |
| 08:03 | <PeterNL> | Must better than here |
| 08:03 | <dominique> | how's there? |
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| 08:04 | <PeterNL> | It can be quite warm here, but we are not used to it, and our climate doesn't really work well when it's over 25C |
| 08:04 | <PeterNL> | But now it's 16C and it has just stopped raining |
| 08:04 | <dominique> | PeterNL: where are you from? |
| 08:04 | <PeterNL> | NL > Netherlands (aka Holland) |
| 08:05 | <dominique> | PeterNL: nice.. I went there once, but for 2 days only |
| 08:05 | <PeterNL> | You know, we used to own Surinam. |
| 08:05 | <dominique> | now you don't? |
| 08:05 | <dominique> | did you lost it or just gave it away? |
| 08:06 | <PeterNL> | Surinam is independent since 1975. it is "wrong" to have colonies in the 21st century |
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| 08:07 | <dominique> | PeterNL: I guess england still have canada and everyone is fine about that... cannada is a wonderful place to be in :) |
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| 08:07 | <dominique> | but anyway, we're not diplomatics or whatever.. if it's not, than it's not |
| 08:08 | <dominique> | :) |
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| 08:09 | <dominique> | i'm having problems with firmware anytime i try to update or upgrade my system.. does anyone know how to solve that? |
| 08:09 | <dominique> | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 08:09 | <dominique> | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 08:09 | <dominique> | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 08:09 | <mjt> | !r8169 |
| 08:09 | <dpkg> | r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. A regression was found with this driver in the <6.0.1> point release (Debian bug #619173) and fixed at linux-2.6 2.6.32-32, see <proposed-updates>. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>. |
| 08:10 | <mjt> | dominique: actually these aren't problems, these are just warnings |
| 08:10 | <mjt> | problems is when it does not work |
| 08:10 | <dominique> | mine is 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 08:11 | <mjt> | the firmware which is now outside of the kernel is needed by only a small subset of all cards, but obviously is referenced by the driver |
| 08:11 | <dominique> | it wasn't supposed to get this warning, right? |
| 08:11 | <PeterNL> | Hey, i'm also using that driver. Never had problems. |
| 08:11 | <lee-0> | Hm, too bad, without the BKL enabled in the kernel, the emu10k1 sound driver isn´t available. How do I find out when that might be solved? |
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| 08:15 | <Guest1807> | hi i have a huge problem i cant get my sound to work i mean sound is working it is playing but its realy quiet...and also there is a strange sound really loud...the plug works defenetly becouse when i plug my iphone in it works perfekt help please |
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| 08:16 | <lee-0> | dominique, there´s a driver on the realtek website for r8168 cards. Unless you upgrade to a more recent kernel, you might want to use that one. |
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| 08:16 | <Guest1807> | how can i upgrade to a more recent kernel? |
| 08:17 | <mjt> | lee-0: that's just wrong suggestion. debian-provided driver, from official kernel, works |
| 08:18 | <ompaul> | Guest1807: why not get your sound working better - use the in app volume the desktop volume and the speakers amp all at the same time and why would a newer kernel make that change |
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| 08:18 | <lee-0> | mjt, the r8169 doesn´t work with all kernels. I´ve had that problem and reported a bug which then was fixed. I just don´t remember which version of the kernel it was. |
| 08:18 | <mennucc> | Guest1807: it may be the case that the loud noise is just mic feedback: use alsamixer , pull down all microphone inputs |
| 08:19 | <mjt> | lee-0: vendor driver had the same bug too, fwiw |
| 08:19 | <grove> | Guest1807: I agree with ompaul that a newer kernel, won't help with your sound issues, but if you really want, there's a 2.6.38 in backports |
| 08:20 | <lee-0> | mjt: With the r8169, the kernel crashed during boot. It worked fine with the r8168 driver from realtek. |
| 08:20 | <ompaul> | Guest1807: there is rule in fixing stuff - - - change exactly one thing at a time |
| 08:21 | <lee-0> | mjt: I switched to 2.6.38-5 yesterday, and the r8169 driver works. I haven´t even seen it requesting firmware, though. |
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| 08:22 | <Guest1807> | ive tried that that loud noise is still its only when i plug it in to my computer when i plug it in to my phone it works....the strange thing is i hear that loud sound but also i hear the musik just very quiet |
| 08:22 | <Guest1807> | ive tried that that loud noise is still its only when i plug it in to my computer when i plug it in to my phone it works....the strange thing is i hear that loud sound but also i hear the musik just very quiet |
| 08:22 | <Guest1807> | . |
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| 08:23 | <mjt> | mute microphone input? |
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| 08:24 | <Guest1807> | i did |
| 08:24 | <mjt> | it smells like a hardware problem when |
| 08:25 | <Guest1807> | hardware worked with windows |
| 08:25 | <Guest1807> | and i already tried the onboard sound |
| 08:25 | <Guest1807> | and also an pci sound |
| 08:25 | <Guest1807> | both the same once i plug the plug in strange loud noise and musik very quiet |
| 08:27 | <Guest1807> | what could i do? |
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| 08:28 | <ky4k0b> | sup guys |
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| 08:29 | <ky4k0b> | can anyone give me an advice? |
| 08:29 | <Guest1807> | my sound>( |
| 08:29 | <Guest1807> | i should of left windows on it |
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| 08:30 | <ky4k0b> | hey |
| 08:30 | <winboy> | hi |
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| 08:30 | <grove> | !tell ky4k0b about anyone |
| 08:30 | <dominique_> | ky4k0b: if we can help, we'b he happy to |
| 08:31 | <dominique_> | !tell dominique about anyone |
| 08:31 | <ky4k0b> | yeah |
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| 08:31 | <dominique_> | wow didn't know that about 'anyone' |
| 08:32 | <ky4k0b> | how can I downgrade from squeeze to lenny? |
| 08:32 | <ky4k0b> | id it possible to do dummy way like switch squeeze to lenny in sources.list |
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| 08:32 | <ky4k0b> | and do aptitude upgrade after it |
| 08:33 | <dominique_> | i think it won't be good |
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| 08:34 | <ky4k0b> | so the best one is to remove it and install lenny from the beginning? |
| 08:34 | <grove> | ky4k0b: Yes, but why would you want to do that? |
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| 08:35 | <ky4k0b> | I'm a support guy in MERA-systems :) and I'm about to install our voip softswitch to our client |
| 08:35 | <ky4k0b> | but we dont support squeeze yet |
| 08:35 | <dominique_> | ky4k0b: yes, you should start all over |
| 08:36 | <dominique_> | ky4k0b: and you better not keep the files during install of the base system. or you'll get install errors |
| 08:36 | <grove> | (and just replacing squeeze with lenny in sources.list, and `apitude upgrade`, won't do anything, `aptitude dist-upgrade` might do a little, but it won't be good) |
| 08:36 | <dominique_> | ky4k0b: have you considered running it on a virtual machine? |
| 08:38 | <ky4k0b> | not an option |
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| 08:39 | <ky4k0b> | ok, thanks guys. I'll ask to reinstall OS |
| 08:39 | <ky4k0b> | cya |
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| 08:40 | <dominique_> | see you |
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| 08:41 | <dominique_> | what's the differente between apt-get install update and apt-get install upgrade? |
| 08:42 | <jackyf> | dominique_: they do completely different things, did you read the manual? |
| 08:43 | <jackyf> | btw, without 'install' |
| 08:43 | <rah> | is there a package called "update"? |
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| 08:43 | <grove> | First will try to install a package called update, second will try to install a package called upgrade - both will proaly fail |
| 08:43 | <jackyf> | :) |
| 08:43 | <dominique_> | jackyf: not actually.... where do i find it? all i know is that when i run update, it says that i need to upgrade and so i do :) |
| 08:43 | <jackyf> | dominique_: man apt-get |
| 08:44 | <dominique_> | i mena apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 08:44 | <grove> | In case you meant to ask about `apt-get update` and `apt-get upgrade`, first reads fresh package lists from sources, second upgrades packages |
| 08:45 | <jackyf> | dominique_: or google 'apt howto' |
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| 08:45 | <dominique_> | i'm reading the man apt-get.. thanks :) |
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| 08:55 | <babilen> | dominique_: You might also want to consider using aptitude in lieu of apt-get, but that is a matter of personal preference. /msg dpkg why aptitude -- /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
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| 09:03 | <Bengt> | Seriously |
| 09:03 | <Bengt> | what does Verbose stand for? |
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| 09:08 | <dominique_> | whenever i shutdown my system, instead of shuting down, it only goes to login option and i have to shut it down through command line.. any idea of what it might be? |
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| 09:09 | <grove> | Bengt: Context? Verbose usually means "give more output" |
| 09:09 | <Bengt> | Ah, thanks. |
| 09:10 | <dominique_> | found it... acpid... thanks |
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| 09:11 | <EmleyMoor> | Is there a command line way to inhibit/re-enable both screensaver and DPMS |
| 09:11 | <EmleyMoor> | ? |
| 09:12 | <lee-0> | xset +dpms |
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| 09:12 | <themill> | EmleyMoor: xdg-screensaver can do some of this |
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| 09:12 | <chenping> | hello |
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| 09:13 | <EmleyMoor> | themill: Hmmm... so pure commandline it probably can't work with brightside - but I'll give it a try |
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| 09:14 | <lee-0> | EmleyMoor, see man xset. |
| 09:14 | <frogmouth> | Have a prob building standalone drm.ko; any pointers? |
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| 09:15 | <themill> | EmleyMoor: you can also have fun with things like "qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver SimulateUserActivity > /dev/null" if needed.... |
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| 09:17 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... might be able to write a script to do it myself... |
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| 09:17 | <EmleyMoor> | (or a pair) |
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| 09:19 | <themill> | EmleyMoor: http://pastebin.com/7tEdbrv7 -> ~/bin/noscreensaver. Usage: "noscreensaver". Do something. "killall noscreensaver". Inelegant but works well enough that I have it in setup/teardown scripts for media players |
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| 09:20 | <EmleyMoor> | themill: I will have a look at that if my sson/ssoff scripts don't work |
| 09:20 | <themill> | sure. happy hunting : |
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| 09:23 | <frogmouth> | themill: hi |
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| 09:40 | <mazpe> | how can i see what a package is going to install? |
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| 09:40 | <EmleyMoor> | "Service 'org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver' does not exist." when I try that script |
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| 09:42 | <EmleyMoor> | Found one that might do |
| 09:42 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... brightside still doesn't like it |
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| 09:43 | <EmleyMoor> | I'll see how it goes standalone |
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| 09:50 | <madadam1> | Hi, are acpid acpi-fakekey acpi-support services all necessary? |
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| 09:56 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... script ineffective - screensaver kicks in after 5 mins |
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| 09:57 | <EmleyMoor> | brightside alone can inhibit the screensaver but it leaves DPMS operating |
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| 11:11 | <mazpe> | is there a way to install linux-image-ec2 on debian? it seems to be a Ubuntu package |
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| 11:12 | <thewanderer1> | mazpe: this is an Ubuntu package - you can run Ubuntu clouds with it... while you CAN install it on Debian, whether the system will do anything interesting (such as booting) is another issue |
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| 11:26 | <daniel_> | exit |
| 11:26 | <daniel_> | ! |
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| 11:45 | <shaik> | Hi Guys....need help...can you please suggest me how to recover/repair the vsftpd.conf...actually i have accidentaly deleted..! |
| 11:45 | <shaik> | i have configred with some commands...do you want to see that |
| 11:47 | <@weasel> | reinstall the package with confmiss set, or purge the package and reinstall it. |
| 11:47 | <@weasel> | the latter might be "easier". |
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| 11:49 | <shaik> | yes...i have done reinstallation...i didn't got the vsftpd.conf file in /etc |
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| 11:50 | <Javi12> | ola |
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| 11:51 | <Javi12> | tu s |
| 11:52 | <babilen> | !tell shaik -about confmiss |
| 11:53 | <babilen> | shaik: Note the "confmiss" part in weasel's hint |
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| 11:54 | <Javi12> | caca |
| 11:54 | <Javi12> | squeeze |
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| 11:56 | <Javi12> | ola |
| 11:56 | <Javi12> | a |
| 11:56 | <Javi12> | d |
| 11:56 | <Javi12> | 3 |
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| 11:56 | <__Alex_> | Debhelper is Evil. |
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| 11:56 | <Javi12> | ola |
| 11:56 | <themill> | !es-social Javi12 |
| 11:56 | <dpkg> | Javi12: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
| 11:57 | <shaik> | babilen: Oops..i got it.. hahaha...Thank you...weasel and babilen..! |
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| 11:57 | <babilen> | np |
| 11:57 | <Javi12> | keeeee!!!! en español |
| 11:57 | <shaik> | for your kind information...! |
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| 12:13 | <juan> | irc.irc-hispano.org |
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| 12:25 | <juan_> | can anyone tell me the name of the old software center the one that show the start rating also? |
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| 12:29 | <armani> | what's an easy to use mailer in debian that works well with php? |
| 12:29 | <themill> | !wayttd armani |
| 12:29 | <dpkg> | What Are You Trying To Do, armani? |
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| 12:30 | <PeterNL> | php's own mail() function works very well - http://php.net/mail |
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| 12:31 | <PeterNL> | I'd recommend against using php mailer classes, just use the plain mail function (and don't use html mail, or keep it simple if you have to) |
| 12:31 | <armani> | themill, i'm trying to send emails via my localhost, but when i use php's mail function, i don't receive any of those emails. I was told that i might need to install a mailer program onto my debian in order for php to mail..? |
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| 12:32 | <PeterNL> | is php using sendmail or smtp? |
| 12:32 | <themill> | armani: you need to configure your mail-transport-agent correctly on your server. |
| 12:32 | <armani> | PeterNL, i've tried using it, but it doesn't seem to send, there's no error either,..not sure about the sendmail or smtp, how do i check? |
| 12:32 | <armani> | themill, thanks, i'll try to look up some documentation on that. |
| 12:33 | <themill> | armani: you probably want to "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", select "smart host" and provide the details of your hoster's (or ISPs) mail gateway. |
| 12:33 | <PeterNL> | check php.ini/ I think it is in /etc/php5/cli or /etc/php5/apache2 |
| 12:34 | <PeterNL> | themill, armani: you don't have to use a local smtp server |
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| 12:34 | <PeterNL> | you can use sendmail or configure your hosts smtp server in php directly |
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| 12:35 | <armani> | thanks PeterNL.. i've looked at my phpinfo, and it says that: sendmail_from no value and sendmail_path /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i |
| 12:35 | <themill> | PeterNL: are you sure about that? I'd like to see the documentation that says that's possible... |
| 12:36 | <PeterNL> | armani. try using error_reporting(0); before mail() |
| 12:36 | <PeterNL> | armani: then you might see the error you were waiting for |
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| 12:36 | <themill> | armani: or better, try sending an email using "mail" at the command line and make sure that works first. |
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| 12:37 | <PeterNL> | themill: http://nl2.php.net/manual/en/mail.configuration.php |
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| 12:37 | <themill> | PeterNL: there's no option to use SMTP there |
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| 12:37 | <PeterNL> | there is, it is "SMTP: |
| 12:37 | <PeterNL> | "SMTP"* |
| 12:37 | <themill> | PeterNL: «Used under Windows only:» |
| 12:38 | <PeterNL> | oh, wait a second, that's windows only... |
| 12:38 | <PeterNL> | ...I have always used that option on windows, and sendmail on linux... |
| 12:38 | <PeterNL> | ...so you *have to* use sendmail (or a sensmail wrapper) on linux... |
| 12:39 | <armani> | o |
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| 12:39 | -!- | mode/#debian [-b *!*@77.229.53.150] by debhelper |
| 12:39 | <PeterNL> | ...wich is exim4 on debian. |
| 12:39 | <armani> | i've installed sendmail-bin onto my deb,..maybe this will help fix it? |
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| 12:39 | <themill> | unlikely... |
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| 12:40 | <PeterNL> | i'd stick to exim4 and ask themill how to configure it |
| 12:41 | <babilen> | heh |
| 12:41 | * | themill hides behind babilen |
| 12:41 | <armani> | lol i got errors installing the program.. |
| 12:41 | <@weasel> | and that's funny? |
| 12:41 | <PeterNL> | "<themill> armani: you probably want to "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", select "smart host" and provide the details of your hoster's (or ISPs) mail gateway." |
| 12:41 | <@weasel> | people these days... |
| 12:41 | <babilen> | "aptitude install themill-helper" "themill-helper --configure=everyhting --fix=broken-stuff" |
| 12:42 | <PeterNL> | (but first remove sendmail-bin and related packages) |
| 12:42 | <themill> | dpkg --purge me |
| 12:42 | * | dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up themill all over themill and jthomas... |
| 12:43 | <armani> | weasel, well, i find getting angry, frustrated etc doesn't help...so i laugh it off and find a way to solve the problem at hand |
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| 13:08 | <armani> | that's the error i get when i install sendmail-bin http://pastebin.ca/2067025 |
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| 13:09 | <mooglefrange> | Hi, I've got pavucontrol installed, but a bunch of the little icons show up as sheets of paper with x's on them. |
| 13:09 | <mooglefrange> | I assume I'm missing some kind of GTK theme package? (debian 6.0.1 squeeze, fresh install) |
| 13:10 | <sney> | aptitude search icon-theme |
| 13:10 | <mooglefrange> | All I've got is hicolor-icon-theme. |
| 13:10 | <sney> | I have tango- and gnome- |
| 13:11 | <sney> | you can just pick and choose, though. |
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| 13:11 | <mooglefrange> | I'll install gnome and see if that fixes it. I run very few GUI apps, so it doesn't really matter too much. |
| 13:11 | <dennisthetiger> | mooglefrange: Have you checked the webpage listed in the package description for help at all? |
| 13:12 | <mooglefrange> | dennisthetiger: yeah, I was looking to see if it suggested any packages, because I know I installed all the deps, but may not have installed everything suggested. |
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| 13:13 | <dennisthetiger> | mooglefrange: Indeed. Sounds like the deps are broken, just on the convo at hand. =) |
| 13:13 | <mooglefrange> | Yep, gnome-icon-theme fixed it. |
| 13:13 | <dennisthetiger> | woog |
| 13:13 | <dennisthetiger> | woot even |
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| 13:14 | <mooglefrange> | Cute pictures instead of little blank sheets of paper. Awesome. Should I file a bug or something...? This probably doesn't come up too often, I don't have gnome or kde installed. |
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| 13:15 | <sibe> | hi |
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| 13:16 | <babilen> | mooglefrange: I low-priority bug sounds reasonable. |
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| 13:17 | <mooglefrange> | babilen: cool, I'll get on that. Man, there's even a package for that... reportbug. Debian *rocks*. |
| 13:17 | <dennisthetiger> | Hmm... contrary to <dtc>, package dtc-toaster is not natively in the debian repositories; however, one can add some repos as shown on the web page. Who do I inform to get dpkg updated? |
| 13:18 | <babilen> | mooglefrange: You might be interested in reading http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting and http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug if you are unfamiliar with bug reporting in Debian. If something is unclear → ask |
| 13:18 | * | mooglefrange nods |
| 13:18 | <mooglefrange> | I'm reading that right now :) |
| 13:19 | <babilen> | wonderful :) |
| 13:19 | <babilen> | mooglefrange: Thanks for taking the time |
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| 13:19 | <dennisthetiger> | (BTW, Im referring to the local bot. =) ) |
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| 13:22 | <babilen> | dennisthetiger: dtc-toaster is in lenny and sid and I am sure it has been removed from squeeze for a good reason. I would prefer to encourage users to create a backport themselves (/msg dpkg ssb) and not ask them to add third-party repositories which we can't and won't support. |
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| 13:23 | <dennisthetiger> | hmm... well put. |
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| 13:26 | <jhutchins_lt> | ! free whcp |
| 13:26 | <dpkg> | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 13:27 | <jhutchins_lt> | They can be very bad for your system and very insecure. Learning to administration properly from the console has it's own rewards. |
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| 13:28 | <barbados> | when using aptitude/apt i get an error saying something like /var/lock/aptitude can't be opened. is it safe to rm that file and do dpkg --configure -a? tia |
| 13:29 | <barbados> | no other instances running, installing was possible though |
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| 13:32 | <jhutchins_lt> | barbados: Are you doing this as root? |
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| 13:41 | <msa> | hey |
| 13:42 | <msa> | is there a mirror of mozilla.debian.net? i want to install Iceweasel 4.0 |
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| 13:42 | <msa> | and I cannot connect to mozilla.debian.net |
| 13:42 | <kenyon> | yeah I wonder why mozilla.debian.net has been down |
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| 13:42 | <diederik> | .versions iceweasel |
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| 13:43 | <diederik> | msa: why would you want to install from there and not the debian repo? |
| 13:44 | <kenyon> | diederik: they package newer versions of iceweasel for squeeze |
| 13:44 | <sney> | diederik: mozilla.debian.net has the backports. |
| 13:44 | <diederik> | ah ok |
| 13:45 | <sney> | it's probably hosted on alioth, which is also down |
| 13:45 | <sney> | I heard something about it coming back up on Monday or so |
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| 13:46 | <kenyon> | oh yeah, I saw the announcement about alioth |
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| 13:47 | <jhutchins_lt> | Firefox 4 doesn't meed Debians quality standards by quite a ways yet. |
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| 13:47 | <babilen> | diederik: so, be patient and use the official packages |
| 13:48 | <kenyon> | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/05/msg00007.html |
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| 13:48 | <diederik> | babilen: I'm running iceweasel 4 from experimental ;) |
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| 13:50 | <babilen> | diederik: Ah, ENICK, sorry :) |
| 13:51 | <msa> | i was happy with the backported version from mozilla.debian.net |
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| 13:51 | <sney> | yeah, it works, it's just a hosting lapse for a couple days |
| 13:52 | <diederik> | dunno what ENICK is, but np ;) |
| 13:53 | <barbados> | jhutchins_lt: sry, phone call. yes i'm root |
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| 13:54 | <jhutchins_lt> | barbados: Make sure nothing (like a GUI update notifier) is using the database. |
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| 13:54 | <jhutchins_lt> | barbados: Did something get interrupted before it removed the lock file? |
| 13:54 | <barbados> | no such thing on my machine |
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| 14:21 | <massysett> | is there a tool that compares Debian package version numbers? |
| 14:22 | <petemc> | compares them to what? |
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| 14:23 | <babilen> | massysett: "dpkg --compare-versions ver1 op ver2" ? |
| 14:23 | <massysett> | yeah, that's it--knew I had seen something like that somewhere, thanks! |
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| 14:39 | <flower> | any idea how to set all changes made by sysv-rc-conf to the defaults? |
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| 15:34 | <jgalt> | trying to insert the ipip module I get "invalid module format but all the version info seems to match and I believe everything is from stock debian packages, nothing I've compiled. http://pastebin.com/MZeTDz5W |
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| 15:34 | <jgalt> | what could be causing this? |
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| 15:44 | <thewanderer1> | jgalt: first of all, the kernel package from an unknown source... it's not even in oldstable |
| 15:44 | <chelsea_smile> | hey can somebody help me with xrandr. Im trying to turn on overscan or manually setting the screen size |
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| 15:50 | <DerekDX> | witam, instaluje wlasnie debiana wedlug instrukcji zamieszczonej na debian.linux.pl jestem na punkcie instalacji xservera wpisa³em komende ktora inicjuje instalacje aptitude install xserver-xorg xbase-clients xfonts-base xterm system pyta sie teraz czy napewno chce zainstalowac podane pakiety wcistam T i dostaje nieprawidlowe polecenie |
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| 15:51 | <babilen> | !pl |
| 15:51 | <dpkg> | [pl][pl] polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 15:51 | <babilen> | DerekDX: Or speak English in here :) |
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| 15:51 | <babilen> | !install x |
| 15:51 | <dpkg> | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 15:52 | <babilen> | DerekDX: ^^^ That might be helpful ;) |
| 15:52 | <thewanderer1> | babilen: actually, he's hitting the locale bug - aptitude asks in Polish for confirmation (T for confirm), but T is not recognised, where Y probably is :P |
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| 15:54 | <babilen> | thewanderer1: hehe, ok, my Russian is not good enough to understand Polish and I did not want to resort to MT |
| 15:54 | <babilen> | wonderful bug, btw |
| 15:54 | <thewanderer1> | what is MT? :P |
| 15:54 | <babilen> | machine translation |
| 15:55 | <thewanderer1> | okay... and the bug, from what I've seen, happens on some setups only, but no idea on which, so no reports from me... :P |
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| 15:56 | <jgalt> | thewanderer1: Is there a kernel package I can upgrade to from oldstable. this "box" runs debian 5.0. Anything special I'd need to consider as this is a VM running under xen? |
| 15:56 | <Web-aptosid556> | gibt es eine programmliste |
| 15:56 | <chealer> | jgalt: which Debian suite do you use? |
| 15:57 | <chealer> | jgalt: oldstable's Linux version is 2.6.26, not 2.6.18 |
| 15:57 | <Web-aptosid556> | halllllllllllllloooooooooooooo |
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| 15:58 | <thewanderer1> | jgalt: sure, there are kernel packages for xen... but the one you are running is not from Debian |
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| 15:59 | <Web-aptosid556> | hallo |
| 15:59 | <babilen> | !tell Web-aptosid556 -about aptosid |
| 15:59 | <jgalt> | Chealer: not sure what you mean "Which debian suite..." this is a xen guest running at a colo miles from here |
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| 15:59 | <babilen> | Web-aptosid556: Please speak English in here. (Sprich bitte English in diesem Kanal und sei Dir bewusst, dass wir aptosid nicht unterstuetzen) |
| 15:59 | <thewanderer1> | chealer: this is not Etch either, just checked and informed him |
| 16:00 | <chealer> | !suite |
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| 16:01 | <chealer> | meh |
| 16:01 | <chealer> | jgalt: I wanted to know which Debian version you use, but you already answered. |
| 16:01 | <jgalt> | is there a means to tell which version of xen I'm hosted under? |
| 16:02 | <jgalt> | (trying to figure out which kernel package to use for upgrade.) |
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| 16:08 | <jgalt> | http://pastebin.com/5P304zxf - seems to be many xen kernel packages available, How can I tell which one to use? |
| 16:11 | <jgalt> | there's xen, and xen-vserver. I would guess one is intended for the host os running on real iron, and the other for xen guests, but how can one tell which is which? |
| 16:11 | <chelsea_smile> | does anyone know how to turn on overscan with xrandr? |
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| 16:14 | <valdyn> | chelsea_smile: "overscan" is just a display mode like any other |
| 16:15 | <valdyn> | chelsea_smile: the monitor determines ( for any mode ) if its overscan or not |
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| 16:17 | <chelsea_smile> | valdyn, how do i force it? |
| 16:17 | <valdyn> | chelsea_smile: force what? |
| 16:18 | <chelsea_smile> | valdyn, cant i force overscan? |
| 16:18 | <valdyn> | chelsea_smile: i dont know what youre trying to do that you are describing as overscan |
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| 16:18 | <chelsea_smile> | valdyn, im missing like half an inch around the screen |
| 16:18 | <valdyn> | chelsea_smile: because overscan is a monitor property more than a video mode |
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| 16:18 | <valdyn> | chelsea_smile: and your monitor has no controls to adjust that? |
| 16:18 | <chelsea_smile> | valdyn, no |
| 16:19 | <chealer> | jgalt: you need an image package, but please show your sources.list first |
| 16:20 | <valdyn> | chelsea_smile: theres a tool shipping with X, i forget the name, so I'm looking |
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| 16:29 | <GambitDeclined> | Hi All. Quick question, I have setup pinning between unstable and experimental, but can't seem locate how to prevent apt-get upgrade from downgrading my experimental iceweasel. Would someone point me to the answer? |
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| 16:31 | <sney> | sid support is in #debian-next these days, GambitDeclined |
| 16:32 | <GambitDeclined> | Oh, crap. I just figured it out. I have unstable pinned at 1001. |
| 16:33 | <babilen> | no surprise then :) |
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| 16:34 | <valdyn> | chelsea_smile: ok, i found it, "xvidtune", play with it till youre setisfied, and it can print out the mode specs which you can then use with xrandr or add to xorg.conf |
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| 16:35 | <GambitDeclined> | I do have another pinning question though. What the heck is the difference between pinning o=testing, a=testing, and n=testing? |
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| 16:35 | <valdyn> | chelsea_smile: its not working with my nvidia drivers though, ancient tool, new drivers |
| 16:36 | <GambitDeclined> | I have found lots of people that seem to use those options, but didn't see any explanations. |
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| 16:43 | <jgalt> | I fixed the sources list when the hosting company's local mirror quit working, now using debian mirrors. http://pastebin.com/knm87GjW |
| 16:45 | <jgalt> | chealer: I know I need an image but do I need a xen or xen-vserver image? |
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| 16:48 | <chealer> | jgalt: you have etch sources on lenny, you should remove these |
| 16:49 | <chelsea_smile> | valdyn, thanks ill try it |
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| 16:59 | <mjt> | eatmydata apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:59 | <mjt> | er miswin |
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| 17:01 | <jgalt> | chealer: http://pastebin.com/UY5Q95W0 - how's that? |
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| 17:03 | <chealer> | jgalt: that's OK |
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| 17:33 | <ralf_> | hi |
| 17:33 | <ralf_> | bye |
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| 17:36 | <Maulkin> | ok... |
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| 17:52 | <jgalt> | chealer: thanks, I now have a much shorter list and all xen-vserver choices are gone. http://pastebin.com/XQngvQQ6 just installed linux-image xen-686 and rebooted but box reboots to old kernel. How can it boot to the new kernel? |
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| 17:58 | <chealer> | jgalt: hum, could you provide the output of $ dpkg -l linux-image-2*|grep ii; ? |
| 17:59 | <chealer> | I'm going to eat |
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| 18:03 | <mike_> | Hello |
| 18:03 | <mike_> | I'm relatively new to pinguy os |
| 18:04 | <mike_> | is it possible to install a trendnet wireless adapter drivers onto my machine? |
| 18:04 | <daemonkeeper> | we could tell more if you were able to identify the chipset (or you could provide the PCI ID) |
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| 18:05 | <jgalt> | chealer: ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686 2.6.26-26lenny2 Linux 2.6.26 image on i686, oldstyle Xen sup |
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| 18:07 | <jgalt> | Chealer: thanks, enjoy your meal. |
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| 18:57 | <aowen10> | good evening |
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| 18:59 | <aowen10> | is there anyone here or should I pop back another time? |
| 18:59 | <devil> | there is...let me see....468 here |
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| 19:00 | <aowen10> | yes but I don't count AFKs :) |
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| 19:01 | <Max00> | Hi guys, I'm just finished building my first hardware RAID5 with 3 drives and I got my first error when discovering the HDs during the Debian 6 Squeeze installation.. It is unable to recognize the RAID.. it see the three drives. Do somebody had the same luck? |
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| 19:02 | <aowen10> | anyway, I have written a bit of software that enables a currently non DFSG compliant program (Fuse-emulator) to become DFSG compliant. However, I'm holding off on releasing it until 100 people donate $16 or more each to the Red Cross Japan appeal. My question is, where would be the best place to post a notice for Debian users who might be interested in supporting my pledge campaign? |
| 19:02 | <jhutchins_lt> | Max00: What controller? |
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| 19:04 | <Max00> | jhutchins, NVIDIA |
| 19:04 | <Max00> | I know.. sounds like problems |
| 19:05 | <abrotman> | Max00: it's not a real raid controller |
| 19:05 | <abrotman> | !tell Max00 about dmraid |
| 19:05 | <abrotman> | !tell Max00 about swraid |
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| 19:06 | <jhutchins_lt> | Max00: What controller? |
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| 19:09 | <Max00> | jhutchins, NVIDIA .. btw.. abrotman just explain me that it is not a real raid controller.. and used the "tell" function to show me information about dmraid and swraid ... now I'm sad !:( |
| 19:09 | <Max00> | just kidding |
| 19:10 | * | aowen10 waits patiently for an answer |
| 19:10 | <abrotman> | fuse-emulator? |
| 19:11 | <aowen10> | It's an emulator for an ancient 8-bit machine |
| 19:11 | <aowen10> | but the distribution license for the ROM is incompatible with the DFSG |
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| 19:11 | <daemonkeeper> | aowen10: README.Debian or so? |
| 19:11 | <daemonkeeper> | Or do it like vim. |
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| 19:12 | <aowen10> | I'm a casual Debian user |
| 19:12 | <aowen10> | I don't even have it installed currently |
| 19:12 | <aowen10> | k, found a net copy |
| 19:12 | <aowen10> | no that didn't help |
| 19:13 | <aowen10> | looked through debian.org and found this place |
| 19:13 | <daemonkeeper> | README.Debian is a file shipped along a package. |
| 19:13 | <aowen10> | I was wondering if there was a forum somewhere or if I should just post to usenet |
| 19:13 | <Max00> | so, about the performance with sw raids.. is there a real problem?? (I tried with the on board controller just because I read some articles burning up the of mount a software raid) |
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| 19:14 | <daemonkeeper> | and by "do it like vim" I meant the "help iccf" message vim shows. |
| 19:14 | <aowen10> | sorry, you lost me |
| 19:15 | <abrotman> | aowen10: hold on ... |
| 19:15 | <abrotman> | aowen10: the ROMs are copyrighted with no source, right? |
| 19:15 | <daemonkeeper> | i was replying to your question "where would be the best place to post a notice for Debian users who might be interested in supporting my pledge campaign" |
| 19:15 | <aowen10> | source is available, but the license is restrictive |
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| 19:15 | <aowen10> | daemonkeeper: ah I understand now |
| 19:16 | <abrotman> | aowen10: the license is GPLv2? |
| 19:16 | <aowen10> | I'm not the maintainer of the package though |
| 19:16 | <aowen10> | the ROMs are distributed under a non-free license |
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| 19:16 | <aowen10> | my replacement is licensed under GPLv2 |
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| 19:16 | <abrotman> | fuse-emulator.sf.net .. says it is GPLv2 |
| 19:16 | * | aowen10 isn't even sure there is a maintainer of the package |
| 19:16 | <aowen10> | the emulator itself is GPLv2 |
| 19:16 | <aowen10> | the ROMs aren't |
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| 19:16 | <abrotman> | right .. but it's already in Debian ? |
| 19:17 | <aowen10> | not in main though |
| 19:17 | <abrotman> | it's in contrib .. |
| 19:17 | <abrotman> | Do you understand what 'contrib' means ? |
| 19:17 | <aowen10> | which means non-techy people end up having to build it themselves |
| 19:17 | <daemonkeeper> | it doesn't |
| 19:17 | <aowen10> | it means it's not in a default repo |
| 19:17 | <abrotman> | Do you understand what 'contrib' means ? |
| 19:18 | <daemonkeeper> | abrotman: Its in testing/unstable, not yet in stable (I think he meant) |
| 19:18 | <daemonkeeper> | http://packages.debian.org/sid/fuse-emulator-sdl |
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| 19:18 | <aowen10> | if it's a repository yes, otherwise no ... I am full of flu |
| 19:18 | <daemonkeeper> | aowen10: note the maintainer on the right column |
| 19:18 | <abrotman> | aowen10: i meant, do you understand the distinction between main/contrib/non-free ? |
| 19:18 | <aowen10> | yes |
| 19:18 | <aowen10> | or at least I think so |
| 19:19 | <aowen10> | as I understand it, it's in contrib because it has a non-free dependency |
| 19:19 | <daemonkeeper> | Your statement was wrong, hence abrotman casts doubt on your understanding |
| 19:19 | <aowen10> | well it's possible that I do not understand |
| 19:19 | <abrotman> | no .. he's correct |
| 19:19 | <daemonkeeper> | contrib/non-free is (of course) available in binary packages as well. |
| 19:19 | <Maulkin> | Near enough |
| 19:19 | <abrotman> | !contrib |
| 19:19 | <dpkg> | [contrib][contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 19:20 | <abrotman> | the package itself is DSFG-compliant .. but depends on non-free bits to actually work ... in this case, i'd guess the non-free bits are the ROMs |
| 19:20 | <aowen10> | ok, then it's as I understood it |
| 19:20 | <daemonkeeper> | What you mean is, I guess, it is not yet available in a stable release. |
| 19:20 | <aowen10> | yes, that's right |
| 19:20 | <abrotman> | right .. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 19:20 | <daemonkeeper> | But that has nothing to do with contrib/non-free |
| 19:21 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 476] by debhelper |
| 19:21 | <Maulkin> | There's also another reason... 10 quiz points for why something may be in contrib, with a DFSG licence, but have no dependancies that aren't in main. |
| 19:21 | <abrotman> | does that count toward a DD application? :) |
| 19:21 | <Maulkin> | No, surprisingly. |
| 19:21 | <abrotman> | hehe |
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| 19:22 | <aowen10> | so I'm thinking my best bet at this point is to email the maintainer and let him worry about it, if getting it into main is of interest to him? |
| 19:22 | <abrotman> | Maulkin: like the flash installer? |
| 19:22 | <abrotman> | a wrapper for an installer of something it downloads itself? |
| 19:22 | <daemonkeeper> | Maulkin: I guess, because it is not usable without the roms/ directory. |
| 19:22 | <Maulkin> | Ok, that's a third one :) |
| 19:22 | <daemonkeeper> | See http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/contrib/f/fuse-emulator/fuse-emulator_1.0.0+dfsg1-1/fuse-emulator-sdl.copyright |
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| 19:22 | <abrotman> | do i get 20 points? :) |
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| 19:23 | <aowen10> | I already said that |
| 19:23 | <Maulkin> | abrotman: of you like. |
| 19:23 | <abrotman> | aowen10: but the package, AIUI, couldn't be in main at all .. it doesn't work without the ROMs |
| 19:23 | <daemonkeeper> | Probably it does |
| 19:23 | <aowen10> | right ... but my replacement ROM is DFSG compliant |
| 19:23 | <aowen10> | so with the replacement it could be |
| 19:23 | <daemonkeeper> | It is just not useful without |
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| 19:24 | <Maulkin> | Things go in conrtib, if they have no purpose, but to run non-free items. See scummvm's recent transition to main, until recently, it was completely free, but had no *purpose* apart from running things which were non-free |
| 19:24 | <abrotman> | how could the ROM be compliant? does it have source? |
| 19:24 | <aowen10> | yes it has source |
| 19:24 | <abrotman> | aowen10: so you want to have people donate to get to this sample ROM? |
| 19:25 | <aowen10> | yes, I'm trying to raise a bit of cash for the Japan appeal before releasing it |
| 19:25 | <abrotman> | Maulkin: so in this case, it sounds like a similar situation ? |
| 19:25 | <aowen10> | I'm short by 28 names |
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| 19:25 | <aowen10> | sort of altruistic ransomware if you will |
| 19:25 | <Maulkin> | Are there any DFSG compliant roms? |
| 19:25 | <aowen10> | only mine |
| 19:25 | <aowen10> | everything else is derived from non-free code |
| 19:26 | <Maulkin> | And your rom is? |
| 19:26 | <abrotman> | or has no source code at all ? |
| 19:26 | <aowen10> | my ROM has full (currently not-published) source |
| 19:26 | <aowen10> | builds with GNU binutils |
| 19:26 | <aowen10> | http://www.pledgebank.com/opense |
| 19:26 | <Maulkin> | (it should be more than a test program, ie: have a purpose in it's own right) |
| 19:26 | <aowen10> | https://sourceforge.net/projects/sebasic/ |
| 19:27 | <aowen10> | well the main aim was to make it legal for electronics hobbyists to build and sell clones |
| 19:27 | <Brian_R> | Someone with write access to http://live.debian.net/cdimage/weekly-builds/README around? |
| 19:28 | <abrotman> | Brian_R: in #debian-live perhaps |
| 19:28 | <Maulkin> | I doubt it. |
| 19:28 | <aowen10> | enabling Fuse-emulator to be DFSG compliant was just a pleasant side effect |
| 19:28 | <Brian_R> | abrotman, there was no activity there -- I asked there first. It's a trivial -- some may say dogwash -- fix. |
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| 19:31 | <aowen10> | well I've dropped the maintainer an email |
| 19:32 | <daemonkeeper> | Having a popcon of 29 you probably won't reach a large audience ;) |
| 19:32 | <daemonkeeper> | Even if the maintainer helps you |
| 19:33 | <aowen10> | well no, I was surprised to get 72 |
| 19:33 | <aowen10> | but that's more pledges than a lot of less niche campaigns on that site have attracted |
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| 19:35 | <aowen10> | and it's good to aim high, right? |
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| 19:37 | <aowen10> | Anyway, thanks for the pointers. I need to get some sleep now as it's 12.30am in the morning here. Goodnight all! |
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| 20:13 | <dominique> | good evening |
| 20:14 | <MrFrood> | good morning :P |
| 20:14 | <dominique> | MrFrood: morning! |
| 20:15 | <dominique> | after i upgrade the kernel, how do i remove the old one? |
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| 20:16 | <MrFrood> | aptitude remove foo |
| 20:17 | <MrFrood> | or just use synaptic or aptitude in TUI mode |
| 20:17 | <kop> | dominique: aptitude purge kernel |
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| 20:18 | <kop> | dominique: (aptitude purge kernelfoo that is.) |
| 20:18 | <kop> | dominique: Kernels are different. They don't go away until purged. |
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| 20:19 | <kop> | dominique: (I've always assumed this is because you don't want your running kernel, and modules, to disappear just because you've upgraded the kernel, but that's only a guess.) |
| 20:20 | <cthuluh> | after an upgrade it is advised that you don't purge the last one, but the last but one kernel |
| 20:20 | <dominique> | cthuluh: why that? is there a chance that anything goes wrong? |
| 20:20 | <kop> | dominique: Yup. |
| 20:21 | <kop> | dominique: Just in case there's a regression that affects your hardware. It's unlikely but could happen. |
| 20:21 | * | MrFrood always keeps two or three kernels around |
| 20:21 | <dominique> | i heard debian would have drivers for realtek 8192 in kernel 2.6.39, but mine still doesn't work |
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| 20:21 | <dominique> | i still have to download the driver, the headers and do everything manually |
| 20:22 | <kop> | !rtl819x |
| 20:22 | <dpkg> | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 20:22 | <MrFrood> | dominique: what version of debian are you using..? |
| 20:22 | <cthuluh> | I've heard that there should be re-work over those drivers |
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| 20:22 | <dvs> | dominique: did you install the firmware-realtek package? |
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| 20:23 | <chambertux> | epa |
| 20:23 | <dominique> | in the new kernel? no |
| 20:23 | <dominique> | chambertux: epa! |
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| 20:26 | <chealer> | jgalt: well then you should have a single Linux image, which is the one you want |
| 20:27 | <chealer> | jgalt: but you're still booting 2.6.18? do you use grub or what? |
| 20:27 | <dominique> | how do i ask things to dpkg? |
| 20:27 | <dominique> | !rtl8192se |
| 20:27 | <dpkg> | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. Both are not supported in the mainline Linux kernel at this time (mac80211-based driver is expected in Linux 2.6.40). An out-of-tree vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from http://people.debian.org/~benh/rtl-wlan/ |
| 20:27 | <MrFrood> | !tell dominique about selftell |
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| 20:30 | <jgalt> | chealer: No grub, it's a managed vm under xen pvm. I only have root on the vm not dom0 |
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| 20:34 | <eb3ha4el> | is the difference between gnome debian and standard debian having DE inlcuded or not? |
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| 20:37 | <babilen> | eb3ha4el: There is no such thing as "Gnome Debian", but there are various cd1s that let you install a desktop environment such as Gnome, KDE, XFCE or LXDE. You don't have to install nay of them and I would recommend the netinstall image if you have a working (wired) network connection during the installation. |
| 20:37 | <MrFrood> | I'm pretty sure that all the debian install media have an option to install a DE |
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| 20:41 | <eb3ha4el> | does that mean even if i get, say, debian lxde, i have an option not to install lxde? |
| 20:41 | <eb3ha4el> | thing is i don't want any of them .. i wanna use custom window manager |
| 20:42 | <babilen> | eb3ha4el: Probably ... Depends on what you mean by "get debian lxde" |
| 20:42 | <babilen> | eb3ha4el: don't install it then (i.e. don't install the desktop task) |
| 20:42 | <eb3ha4el> | well in website, they have debian gnome, lxde, xfce, kde, rescue, and standard |
| 20:43 | <babilen> | eb3ha4el: Download a netinst ISO and don't install the desktop task, install Xorg and a Wm of your choice, done. /msg dpkg install x |
| 20:43 | <eb3ha4el> | great thanks |
| 20:43 | <babilen> | eb3ha4el: standard? I haven't seen that, do you have a link? |
| 20:43 | <eb3ha4el> | yes |
| 20:43 | <eb3ha4el> | just a min |
| 20:44 | <eb3ha4el> | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 20:44 | <babilen> | that is Debian LIVE |
| 20:44 | <babilen> | !netinst |
| 20:44 | <dpkg> | i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 20:44 | <babilen> | !firmware image |
| 20:44 | <dpkg> | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install debian>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 20:45 | <babilen> | babilen: I was talking about those ^^^ |
| 20:45 | <eb3ha4el> | yea it's live one |
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| 20:46 | <eb3ha4el> | but thanks anyway seems things pretty clear now |
| 20:47 | <babilen> | Have fun :) |
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| 20:57 | <dominique> | i kind of need help with my realtek driver |
| 20:58 | <mlaks> | is this channel mostly for installing? anyone knowledgeable about ksyms ? |
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| 21:09 | <jcjguy> | how do I connect to a wireless WPA/WPA2 network outside the graphical desktop env. ? |
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| 21:10 | <openm> | Anybody here familiar with both Wuala and rTorrent? |
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| 21:11 | <babilen> | jcjguy: Various ways: Configure wpasupplicant (read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz) or use wicd-curses ... I heard that network-manager has a CLI interface too, but it lacked a lot of functionality last time I looked at it. |
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| 21:14 | <openm> | exit |
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| 21:16 | <babilen> | jcjguy: It really depends on what you are after, but those are the alternatives. I would personally use wicd, but decide for yourself. |
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| 21:16 | <jcjguy> | what are the benefits of using wicd? |
| 21:17 | <babilen> | jcjguy: You can easily switch between networks without having to create a stanza in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for every single network you want to join |
| 21:17 | <babilen> | (assuming you would use wpasupllicant in roaming mode) |
| 21:18 | <jcjguy> | babilen: okay thnx, I'll check it out :) |
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| 21:18 | <babilen> | It really depends on what you need/want ... |
| 21:19 | <jcjguy> | well, what I really need/want is use SSH between my laptop and another machine |
| 21:19 | <babilen> | jcjguy: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wicd-curses |
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| 21:20 | <babilen> | well, install ssh on both machines (or openssh-server on the server and openssh-client on the client) and you are done |
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| 21:21 | <jcjguy> | babilen: I already have ssh installed :) |
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| 21:36 | <eb3ha4el_> | this is weird.. both netinst iso and live one doesn't work through USB, but they works in virtualbox, so i suppose problem is in either USB memory itself or in process of writing ISO.. what program do people use for this? |
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| 21:36 | <sney> | from linux, cat or dd. and make sure you sync before disconnecting |
| 21:37 | <jcjguy> | you could also use Unetbootin |
| 21:37 | <babilen> | nope |
| 21:37 | <babilen> | cat/dd is the way to go |
| 21:37 | <sney> | https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer is currently the recommended windows solution. If it won't recognize an .iso, you can safely rename to .img |
| 21:38 | <jcjguy> | I've used Unetbootin w/o problem for Debian netinst and live isos |
| 21:39 | <sney> | congratulations. it's also had some bad results. I won't recommend it to anyone here, but if they choose to use it, whatever |
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| 21:39 | <sney> | and on a *nix platform it's just overkill anyway |
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| 21:43 | <babilen> | sney: we probably should note that .iso → .img thing in the factoid -- windows still doesn't show file extensions does it? |
| 21:44 | <sney> | not by default, but there's a checkbox in view->folder options |
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| 21:56 | <jcjguy> | babilen: thanks for suggesting wicd-curses, it worked! have a nice day. |
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| 22:55 | <user_> | d |
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| 22:56 | <user_> | fdisk -l command doesn't list of any device any one know why? |
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| 22:58 | <kenyon> | user_: is it a virtual machine? |
| 22:59 | <user_> | no |
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| 23:00 | <__DL__> | user_: have you tried it as root or as a normal user? |
| 23:00 | <kenyon> | user_: I get no output when I run fdisk -l as a regular user, but get output when run as root. |
| 23:01 | <kenyon> | also try the more modern tool: parted --list |
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| 23:03 | <user_> | that works great |
| 23:03 | <user_> | thanks |
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| --- | Log | closed Mon May 23 00:00:00 2011 |
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