| --- | Log | opened Thu Jan 13 00:00:23 2011 |
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| 00:01 | <jthill> | does "xrandr 2>&-" hang for anyone but me? |
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| 00:05 | <foormea> | hi people |
| 00:06 | <sney> | hi |
| 00:07 | <foormea> | i just installed a debian lenny. i don't understand: i have a synaptics touchpad. there is a file in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/ for my touchpad, with an override that i put in /etc/hal/fdi/policy. this works with ubuntu and gentoo. but here with debian, the fdi file seems not to be read, instead i need to change settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:08 | <foormea> | that's fine for me as long as i get the results, but i just don't understand |
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| 00:09 | <foormea> | does it have somethign to do with the version of X that lenny uses? |
| 00:12 | <James0> | hmm. could be. ubuntu is using X v7.5 now, so is Debian Squeeze. but lenny had X v7.3...of course i'd be curious to know if this override worked as expected in squeeze... |
| 00:13 | <James0> | no info in /var/log/X.org* ? |
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| 00:14 | <foormea> | well |
| 00:14 | <foormea> | if i don't modify my xorg.conf, synclient returns "shmconfig disabled" |
| 00:14 | <foormea> | if i enable it in xorg.conf but don't pass any options to it, synclient works but options are not passed to it via hal |
| 00:15 | <foormea> | now gonna reload my X with options in xorg.conf, should work, i'll let you know. give me 2 mn :) |
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| 00:15 | <foormea> | as for /var/log/X.org, no revolutionary info in there ^^ |
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| 00:16 | <foormea> | brb, thanks for your input |
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| 00:16 | <foormea> | back |
| 00:16 | <foormea> | works like a charm with options in xorg.conf |
| 00:17 | <foormea> | i guess this X is too old to get options passed via hal? could it be? i don't know much about these things |
| 00:17 | <James0> | i never needed to pass any extra options, my lenny is a thinkpad and i only use the clitmouse |
| 00:17 | <James0> | but my testing machine (squeeze) is here, too - an elderly dell with a touchpad. |
| 00:18 | <James0> | so i don't know too much about hal changes. |
| 00:18 | <foormea> | okay |
| 00:18 | <foormea> | gosh it feels SO GOOD to be back under kde 3.x |
| 00:18 | <foormea> | my laptop is almost 4 years old |
| 00:18 | <James0> | kde 4 bog it down? |
| 00:18 | <foormea> | i was under gentoo with kde4, was becoming... crazy |
| 00:19 | <jthill> | "xrandr 2>&-" hangs for me, but "xrandr 2>/dev/null" doesn't. someone else on squeeze try this please? |
| 00:19 | <foormea> | and i got kinda pissed off at gentoo's rare but existing issues (suddenly, nothing compiles and you need to repair some stuff) |
| 00:19 | <foormea> | anyway thanks James0. sorry jthill i'm on lenny |
| 00:20 | <James0> | jthill: i'd love to check it but i'm on 10.10 right now with scads of windows open. can't reboot right now... |
| 00:20 | <jthill> | mm. curious, try it anyway? I ask because someone on ubuntu says it doesn't hang for them |
| 00:20 | <jthill> | trying to figure where or whether to file a bug |
| 00:20 | <James0> | does it just hang the terminal? i'll give it a shot |
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| 00:21 | <jthill> | yes, just the terminal |
| 00:21 | <James0> | ok, i can handle that :) |
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| 00:23 | * | jthill waits with bated breath |
| 00:24 | <James0> | ok. it hangs. Ubuntu 10.10 |
| 00:25 | <James0> | but i don't understand. is 2>&- supposed to dump stderr to stdout? the same as 2>&1? |
| 00:25 | <James0> | this is my "error" that wasn't appearing: |
| 00:25 | <James0> | xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
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| 00:26 | <James0> | fwiw i tried the same thing with `cat /tmp/file 2>&-', the error is suppressed but the cmd doesn't hang |
| 00:27 | <jthill> | 2>&- closes fd 2 |
| 00:28 | <James0> | so it should just shut up silently? |
| 00:28 | <jthill> | I started doing that 'cause it's faster to type than 2>/dev/null, xrandr is the first thing I've ever seen misbehave w/ it |
| 00:28 | <jthill> | yes |
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| 00:30 | <James0> | well, more info. just tested on different machines: lenny, it doesn't hang. ubuntu 10.04, doesn't hang. so if it's happening for you on squeeze and me on 10.10, you might be on to something... |
| 00:30 | <James0> | i'm going to write it down on a pad so i can try it tomorrow on squeeze. might be a good idea to file that bug. |
| 00:31 | <jthill> | thank you! I have only squeeze available. |
| 00:31 | * | jthill ... guesses he should probably fetch some livecds |
| 00:31 | <kop> | jthill: If it's doing it in squeeze, file a bug. |
| 00:32 | <kop> | !tel jthill about reportbug |
| 00:32 | <jthill> | yah, have it up now |
| 00:32 | <zem> | xrandr 2>&- doesn't do anything here |
| 00:32 | <jthill> | no output, no hang? |
| 00:32 | <jthill> | no output is weird. |
| 00:33 | <zem> | no output, i can type in but nothin hapens and ^C quits |
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| 00:33 | <jthill> | that's the hang. what release please? |
| 00:34 | <zem> | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 00:34 | <jthill> | squeeze. thank you zem |
| 00:34 | <zem> | np |
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| 00:45 | <foormea> | hey, regarding repos, i have a nvidia card and i want to install nvidia drivers. i'm not finding nvidia-kernel-* as documented in the wiki, do i need an extra repo? |
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| 00:46 | <sney> | foormea: yep, you need to add contrib and non-free |
| 00:46 | <foormea> | thanks sney i'll look into that. would you please have a wiki for common additional repos? |
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| 00:47 | <sney> | the only official one is backports, the rest you'll have to find on your own time. and 'contrib non-free' just adds to the end of your main repo line and you're good to go |
| 00:47 | <foormea> | thanks sney |
| 00:48 | <sney> | no problem |
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| 00:51 | <jthill> | all hail git bisect |
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| 01:31 | <Guest69> | does anyone know the mplayer help channel? |
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| 01:39 | <jester45> | Guest69: #mplayer on irc.freenode.net |
| 01:39 | <Guest69> | jester45: thank you |
| 01:40 | <Guest69> | jester45: we are on irc.freenode.net right now correct? |
| 01:40 | <mothermcfucker> | no |
| 01:40 | <mothermcfucker> | this is oftc |
| 01:40 | <jester45> | nope this is oftc.net |
| 01:42 | <mothermcfucker> | wow |
| 01:42 | <mothermcfucker> | deja vu |
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| 01:48 | <kristian> | hi all |
| 01:48 | <kristian> | I hope someone can help me |
| 01:49 | <jester45> | !ask |
| 01:49 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:50 | <kristian> | I made a custom install of Squeeze + LXDE on a computer for a friend... I need to have shown available wifi connections at all times when the tray applet for network is clicked |
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| 01:56 | <kristian> | I was using NetworkManager but switched to WICD... same thing |
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| 02:04 | <kristian> | also, when I plug in the ethernet cable, I have to manually enter "eth0" to switch to it... this is okay for me, but not the end user |
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| 02:10 | <James0> | kristian: i've not used wicd, only heard of it. however networkmanager by default seems to prefer wired connections, when i plug in my cabled connection networkmanager switches. i've never needed to make any adjustments. maybe wicd has a conffile in /etc?? |
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| 02:14 | <kristian> | James0: looking into that |
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| 02:17 | <kristian> | I seem to have borked my /etc/network/interfaces... following the wicd tutorial for it now |
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| 02:18 | <kristian> | which manager is used is not essential, but this is going to be a "travelling computer", so an easy listing of wifi access points is essential |
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| 02:20 | <James0> | i used to use /etc/network/interfaces all the time...since network-manager i haven't had to touch it! |
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| 02:21 | <zem> | nm has an easy listing of wifi aps, so where is the problem? |
| 02:21 | <James0> | i'd go with network-manager unless you have a reason not to. for me, it's great on my debian systems, and seems to work awesome on knoppix 6 with lxde and nm-applet down in the tray. click it once, and the whole long list of wireless networks in range is displayed, including which ones need a password and which ones don't. it's perfect for a traveling computer, and easy for a non-technical user |
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| 02:46 | <kristian> | I just discovered that my file system is borked, that might have something (or a lot) to do with it |
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| 02:46 | <kristian> | :/ |
| 02:46 | <faheem> | can anyone tell me the difference between mount -o bind and mount --bind? |
| 02:46 | <faheem> | if any |
| 02:46 | <kristian> | unfortunately, I have to leave soon |
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| 02:52 | <weping> | 最近有什么新软件吗 |
| 02:52 | <jm_> | !cn |
| 02:52 | <dpkg> | from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 02:53 | <weping> | 英文不太好有会说中文的吗 |
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| 02:58 | <sweet> | i want to connect two webcam is that any program..with out internet..only via wi-fi.. |
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| 03:01 | <sweet> | how to know my system configuration in debian |
| 03:01 | <sweet> | by command |
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| 03:05 | <prock> | たばらまらた |
| 03:05 | <prock> | 八幡はや釜は地 |
| 03:05 | <prock> | Hi |
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| 03:35 | <junkionlwreklgar> | how can one determine if the 3d-graphics are enabled and working? |
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| 03:35 | <jm_> | depends on card |
| 03:36 | <junkionlwreklgar> | please continue |
| 03:36 | <jm_> | why don't you specify your card instead |
| 03:36 | <junkionlwreklgar> | nvidia |
| 03:36 | <junkionlwreklgar> | 9800 |
| 03:36 | <mjr_> | glxinfo's renderer string would probably tell something |
| 03:37 | <jm_> | glxinfo|grep vendor |
| 03:37 | <jm_> | heh |
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| 03:37 | <kristian> | junkionlwreklgar: try running glxgears |
| 03:38 | <junkionlwreklgar> | working |
| 03:38 | <kristian> | junkionlwreklgar: that indicates that you're good |
| 03:39 | <junkionlwreklgar> | trying to run celestia and it's slow in comparison to another distro |
| 03:39 | <junkionlwreklgar> | is there something that needs to be configured? |
| 03:39 | <kristian> | possibly... I have to go soon, sorry |
| 03:39 | <junkionlwreklgar> | with the graphics settings? |
| 03:39 | <jm_> | why don't you tell us what that glxinfo ... command says? |
| 03:40 | <junkionlwreklgar> | http://pastebin.com/kAbw4ZRv |
| 03:41 | <jm_> | you need to install nvidia binary driver |
| 03:41 | <jm_> | !nvidia |
| 03:41 | <dpkg> | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 03:41 | <jm_> | read the docs on the wiki page |
| 03:41 | <junkionlwreklgar> | http://pastebin.com/JHELHqpA |
| 03:42 | <junkionlwreklgar> | !nvidia - event not found |
| 03:42 | <jm_> | open this page in a http browser -- http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 03:47 | <junkionlwreklgar> | @jm_ @dpkg is it possible to get compiz to work with what is presently set up? |
| 03:47 | <jm_> | junkionlwreklgar: not sure what its requirements are, but even if you do, it will be terribly slow since you're using software renderer |
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| 03:50 | <kenyon> | !tell junkionlwreklgar about @ |
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| 03:53 | <mansi> | hello friends, i need the name of gsm modems with dual sim, compatible in Debian. Any suggestions please. |
| 03:53 | <junkionlwreklgar> | any thoughts about running mint with debian? |
| 03:53 | <mansi> | I need to setup some sms services |
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| 03:54 | <jm_> | junkionlwreklgar: not really, maybe try asking in the mint channel |
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| 04:01 | <mansi> | Anyone regarding good GSM modems supported in Debian |
| 04:01 | <mansi> | Preferably dual sim |
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| 04:10 | <s4br3> | Hi, I have some serious performance issues with my new 2TB Seagate HD. It has worked fine for a few weeks, but recently every now and then I get 100% CPU while I hear a noise from the HD as if the 'disk arm' is readjusting. Meanwhile it may take even a minute for Deolphin to show the content of the root directory of this /dev/sdb. The main system is on an SDD. |
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| 04:11 | <s4br3> | Now, when running Amarok, I saw something called 'disk sleep' for the fist time. My mp3 are on the 2TB. |
| 04:11 | <junkionlwreklgar> | use gparted and run a disk scan |
| 04:12 | <s4br3> | junkionlwreklgar: Is the Partitionmanager a KDE equivalent? |
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| 04:13 | <jm_> | s4br3: perhaps the disk goes to sleep |
| 04:13 | <junkionlwreklgar> | gparted is written for gnome but shouldn't matter |
| 04:13 | <s4br3> | jm_: What is that?! |
| 04:13 | <jm_> | s4br3: uhh? power saving feature |
| 04:14 | <s4br3> | Hmmm. I guessed so. I tried to use noapm as a boot parameter, but that didn't stop it |
| 04:14 | <junkionlwreklgar> | nm - don't use gparted |
| 04:15 | <jm_> | apm is for the system, not for a disk |
| 04:15 | <junkionlwreklgar> | is the hd connected via usb? |
| 04:15 | <s4br3> | ok, is there a way to turn off 'sleep' for a particular disk? |
| 04:15 | <jm_> | sure, see hdparm |
| 04:15 | <s4br3> | junkionlwreklgar: no, it is an internal |
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| 04:16 | <s4br3> | jm_: would I need to do it on a per partition or for an entire physical disk? |
| 04:16 | <junkionlwreklgar> | are there settings in bios which effect power saving for hd's? |
| 04:17 | <s4br3> | junkionlwreklgar: I haven't checked that. Thanks for the info! |
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| 04:17 | <jm_> | s4br3: disk |
| 04:17 | <jm_> | s4br3: see -C switch, it apparently can tell you the mode it's in |
| 04:19 | <s4br3> | jm_: "drive state is: active/idle" |
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| 04:19 | <jm_> | s4br3: run it when you see that happen, or slightly before that if you can |
| 04:20 | <s4br3> | It typically happens when I open up Dolphin to check that disk |
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| 04:21 | <s4br3> | Hah! the hdparm -Z reads "Disable Seagate auto-powersaving mode" |
| 04:21 | <junkionlwreklgar> | jm_: is there a way to run it on a loop then look at a log file after a given amount of time? |
| 04:22 | <s4br3> | jm_: Do you think that could be it? |
| 04:24 | <jm_> | junkionlwreklgar: sure |
| 04:24 | <junkionlwreklgar> | how? |
| 04:24 | <s4br3> | Ok. When i try it I get "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(seagatepwrsave) failed: Input/output error" |
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| 04:24 | <jm_> | s4br3: that switch says it's for seagate ST3xxx drives, old ones it seems |
| 04:25 | <jm_> | while true; do command ....; sleep 30; done >mylog.txt 2>&1 |
| 04:25 | <erez> | Hey all, I'm having a problem connecting via wireless to a WPA secured network, but no problems with eithr unsecured or WEP networks, any ideas? |
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| 04:26 | <jm_> | s4br3: but if it goes into idle mode and you don't want it, -S should help |
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| 04:31 | <junkionlwreklgar> | jm_: does debian have any information on drive management? |
| 04:32 | <s4br3> | jm_: If I don't specify a number I get "-S: bad/missing standby-interval value (0..255) |
| 04:32 | <s4br3> | " |
| 04:33 | <s4br3> | ok, zero |
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| 04:33 | <jm_> | junkionlwreklgar: what kind of information? |
| 04:33 | <s4br3> | Will I need to reboot to see an effect? |
| 04:34 | <jm_> | s4br3: no |
| 04:34 | <Chill-k> | no |
| 04:34 | <jm_> | in fact, it will lose this setting after a reboot |
| 04:34 | <s4br3> | Hmmmm :) |
| 04:34 | <s4br3> | Where can I set it permanently?! |
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| 04:35 | <junkionlwreklgar> | as an example - for people who do multimedia; are constantly writing and reading from one particular drive |
| 04:35 | <Chill-k> | in /etc/hdparm.conf /etc/default/hdparm you can see all command and state. |
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| 04:35 | <s4br3> | Chill-k: thanks! |
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| 04:36 | <Chill-k> | -S 255 it's disable |
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| 04:36 | <junkionlwreklgar> | after a time period the drive is unreadable but can be formatted and is working again |
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| 04:38 | <s4br3> | Chill-k: What?! man says "A value of zero means "timeouts are disabled": the device will not automatically enter standby mode." |
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| 04:41 | <Chill-k> | my dev. APM=yes (disable 255) |
| 04:41 | <Chill-k> | seems -S 0 =Auto 1-254 manual selection |
| 04:42 | <mib_ahdy7r> | any idea on sqeeze release date? I have 6.0 in debian_version folder |
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| 04:43 | <TIPS> | no idea |
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| 04:44 | <mib_ahdy7r> | it has to be close if testing has changed to 6.0 in the /etc/debian_version folder |
| 04:45 | <jm_> | mib_ahdy7r: when bugs are fixed |
| 04:46 | <s4br3> | Chill-k: Very strange. in my man hdparm a value of 255 says "255 is interpreted as 21 minutes plus 15 seconds. " |
| 04:46 | <mib_ahdy7r> | sorry about breaking topic. |
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| 04:48 | <Chill-k> | s4br3: means I was wrong. Try turning off in the BIOS. |
| 04:48 | <s4br3> | ok, I'll reboot and check there too |
| 04:48 | <s4br3> | thanks for all help! |
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| 05:00 | <junkionlwreklgar> | is there a way to change the terminal settings to transparent? need to see text directly behind the window |
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| 05:01 | <muep> | can not just move the window? |
| 05:02 | <junkionlwreklgar> | muep: no |
| 05:02 | <muep> | most compositing window managers let you adjust any window's transparency |
| 05:03 | <muep> | but how do so depends on what window manager you are using |
| 05:03 | <junkionlwreklgar> | it's transparent but only to the desktop |
| 05:03 | <junkionlwreklgar> | please continue |
| 05:03 | <muep> | yeah, that kind of pseudo transparency does not require a compositing window manager |
| 05:04 | <junkionlwreklgar> | so is it related to compiz or something else? |
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| 05:05 | <muep> | compiz is one of the best known compositing window managers, but not the only one |
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| 05:06 | <junkionlwreklgar> | where does the problem lie, in the window manager or someplace else? |
| 05:06 | <muep> | if you were running compiz, if could be at least configured to allow setting the transparency of any window |
| 05:06 | <muep> | doing it in the window manager is probably the easiest way |
| 05:08 | <junkionlwreklgar> | ok is compiz a window manager? it's installed default on the system. |
| 05:08 | <muep> | compiz is a window manager |
| 05:08 | <muep> | are you using it already? |
| 05:08 | <junkionlwreklgar> | there is nothing enabled in it |
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| 05:10 | <nakliyat> | merhaba |
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| 05:11 | <junkionlwreklgar> | still can't get it transparent to windows behind it |
| 05:13 | <muep> | you may need to configure compiz a bit to enable the feature that allows you to control window transparency manually |
| 05:13 | <muep> | I do not use compiz myself, so someone else is probably more qualified to instruct how to do so |
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| 05:24 | <dominick> | Hi! Any idea how much time I should wait for squeeze to become officially stable? |
| 05:25 | <zem> | until release date |
| 05:25 | <dominick> | is there a release date yet? |
| 05:25 | <zem> | nope, at least as far as i know |
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| 05:27 | <dominick> | Squeeze's been five months since frozen. Wonder how much more I must wait. |
| 05:27 | <junkionlwreklgar> | muep: are you there? |
| 05:27 | <dominick> | My company is releasing a product on debian. They are obsessed with stable releases. |
| 05:28 | <MeglaW> | god |
| 05:28 | <MeglaW> | good |
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| 05:29 | <ml|> | dominick: usually after all rc bugs are fixed, next stable is released; /msg dpkg rc bugs , to get some idea |
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| 05:36 | <sign> | 有人么 |
| 05:37 | <sign> | 我是刚刚用IRC 的 |
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| 05:38 | <dominick> | ml|, wow! that was awesome. I think I can show the list RC bugs concerning the next release and how they do not influence our product in my next presentation. Although this requires quite some research from the lab. |
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| 05:44 | <twb> | Opinion time! If I have an LXC server "alpha" and a container "omega", should I set omega's /etc/debian_chroot to, say, "lxc" (or "alpha") -- or not? |
| 05:44 | <twb> | The idea being that it reminds people who ssh into omega that they're in a domU |
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| 05:53 | <junkionlwreklgar> | trying to change the terminal transparency so that it's transparent to all windows |
| 05:54 | <EmleyMoor> | I am trying to build glib-1.2.10 on squeeze, amd64, but trying to configure it fails due to it not recognising x86_64-unknown. Any easy way to fix that? |
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| 06:07 | <zxd> | what's the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap |
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| 06:11 | <twb> | zxd: c |
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| 06:12 | <twb> | zxd: seriously, debootstrap is written in bash and needs to run on non-Debian systems; cdebootstrap is written in C and is faster (at least in theory) and can assume it's running on Debian. |
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| 06:14 | <zxd> | twb, ok |
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| 06:27 | <axegee> | I can't play mp3/flac/xvid/mkv |
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| 06:28 | <axegee> | playing audio files from rhythmbox gives me a audiosink bin1 not configured properly |
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| 06:28 | <axegee> | more like "Configured audosink bin1 is not working" |
| 06:28 | <axegee> | Playing for the first time, gives me "No URI set" |
| 06:30 | <axegee> | I apparently have all gstreamer0.10 packages |
| 06:31 | <twb> | Is your user in the audio group? |
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| 06:42 | <axegee> | twb: i'm not sure |
| 06:42 | <axegee> | twb: how? |
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| 06:42 | <twb> | What does "groups" report? |
| 06:45 | <babilen> | … the names of the groups your user belongs to |
| 06:45 | <twb> | babilen: that was to axegee |
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| 06:46 | <axegee> | twb: it does have audio |
| 06:46 | <twb> | OK |
| 06:46 | <axegee> | and video |
| 06:46 | <axegee> | as well |
| 06:46 | <axegee> | can't play either |
| 06:47 | <axegee> | otoh, i have some conflicts with gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
| 06:47 | <axegee> | http://pastie.org/private/d5zcdt5iuety9nrjw0brw |
| 06:47 | <axegee> | sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10 gives me that, at the end |
| 06:47 | <jm_> | do you have some wird .asoundrc file? |
| 06:48 | <jm_> | weird |
| 06:48 | <axegee> | nope |
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| 06:49 | <jm_> | does aplay work? |
| 06:49 | <axegee> | http://pastie.org/private/d5zcdt5iuety9nrjw0brw |
| 06:50 | <jm_> | do you have ~/.asoundrc file? |
| 06:51 | <axegee> | no, i don't |
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| 06:53 | <jm_> | hmm what does aplay show if you add -v switch? |
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| 06:53 | <axegee> | same |
| 06:53 | <axegee> | nothing more |
| 06:53 | <jm_> | try to specify some .wav file or somesuch |
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| 06:54 | <axegee> | mp3/flac would do? |
| 06:54 | <jm_> | well it will sound like crap if it will work :) |
| 06:56 | <axegee> | jm_: same |
| 06:57 | <twb> | Where "crap" = line noise |
| 06:57 | <axegee> | yeah, but |
| 06:57 | <jm_> | axegee: you mean it doesn't mention stuff like Plug PCM, Slave:, Hardware ... ? |
| 06:57 | <axegee> | who keeps .wav files anyway :) |
| 06:57 | <axegee> | jm_: with aplay -v <soundfile> right? |
| 06:57 | <twb> | axegee: yeah, everyone I know uses .au |
| 06:58 | <jm_> | axegee: yup |
| 06:58 | <twb> | .wav is for Windows losers |
| 06:58 | <axegee> | jm_: yeah, the same two lines as in the pastie |
| 06:58 | <jm_> | axegee: wtf |
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| 06:58 | <flashn> | l |
| 06:59 | <jm_> | axegee: do you see anything in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 07:00 | <axegee> | jm_: yeah, http://pastie.org/private/d5zcdt5iuety9nrjw0brw |
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| 07:00 | <axegee> | I'm on 1 |
| 07:00 | <jm_> | axegee: looks fine |
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| 07:05 | <axegee> | any sample ogg files in the system? |
| 07:05 | <axegee> | (no sound with flash either) |
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| 07:05 | <jm_> | look in /usr/share/games |
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| 07:06 | <jm_> | one other option I could think of is some app using HW device for sound |
| 07:07 | <nthykier> | Hey, do anyone know how well an nVidia G210 works on a 64bit system? I have seen quite a few reports of crashes, but they appear to be a couple of months old |
| 07:08 | <jm_> | GT 230 works fine here |
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| 07:09 | <kyentei> | Hmm... I'm sure there is an option to not show icons in nautilus, or other gtk/gnome applications.. such as gparted |
| 07:10 | <kyentei> | Just text-only. |
| 07:10 | <kyentei> | But I can't seem to find that option anywhere anymore. |
| 07:12 | <axegee> | jm_: the totem movie player can play audio files right? |
| 07:13 | <jm_> | axegee: to be honest I have no idea, descriptions does hint at it |
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| 07:15 | <mjr_> | it can |
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| 07:15 | <axegee> | jm_: so. I opened up gstreamer-properties |
| 07:16 | <axegee> | the plugin was set to autodetect, and the test didn't work |
| 07:16 | <axegee> | i changed it to ALSA and some ALC662 rev1 Analog device |
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| 07:16 | <axegee> | and I get that crackling beep |
| 07:17 | <axegee> | ALC662 rev1 Digital gives me nothing, but it's not failing either |
| 07:17 | <axegee> | but still no sound |
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| 07:29 | <egonw> | when I try to install linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-686-bigmem and matching headers on my squeeze installation it says it depends on the virtual package linux-kbuild-2.6.37 which does not seem available... what am I doing wrong? (btw, I was also expecting a matching linux-modules package, which does not seem there....) |
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| 07:31 | <gsimmons> | dpkg: tell egonw -about linux-kbuild |
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| 07:33 | <egonw> | gsimmons: but linux-kbuild-2.6 does not provide the -2.6.37 virtual pkg ... ?? what .deb does provide that virtual package instead? |
| 07:33 | <jm_> | egonw: read the web page dpkg told you about |
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| 07:34 | <egonw> | so, the point is there is a 686-bigmem binary but I am still supposed to compile from source?? |
| 07:34 | <classical> | hey ppl how can i get system information on debian 3.1 ? there is no dmidecode or lshw |
| 07:34 | <ichdasich> | classical: wtf? sarge? |
| 07:35 | <classical> | yep |
| 07:35 | <ichdasich> | classical: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:35 | <ichdasich> | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 07:35 | <classical> | its only a cpu |
| 07:35 | <jm_> | lspci |
| 07:35 | <classical> | i want mobo |
| 07:35 | <ichdasich> | fdisk -l |
| 07:35 | <jm_> | cat /proc/pci |
| 07:35 | <jm_> | probably easier to boot something like grml |
| 07:35 | <devil_> | classical: apt-get install lshw |
| 07:36 | <classical> | devil_, it does not have a global ip and internet its a local server :- |
| 07:36 | <classical> | devil_, it does not have a global ip and internet its a local server :-D* |
| 07:36 | <devil_> | there is usb-pens |
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| 07:38 | <classical> | how can i get a motherboard model ? |
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| 07:38 | <classical> | and there is no pci under proc |
| 07:39 | <xav> | open casing and look inside ;) I think there is no other way |
| 07:39 | <classical> | xav, lshw and dmidecode gets info from kernel |
| 07:40 | <jm_> | not really |
| 07:40 | <classical> | jm_, how does lshw works than ? |
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| 07:41 | <jm_> | classical: it gets info from several sources |
| 07:42 | <jm_> | classical: grml includes hw detection tool |
| 07:42 | <xav> | hm, it looks like it gets something, but... description: Motherboard, product: INVALID |
| 07:43 | <xav> | but motherboard serial reads properly |
| 07:44 | <classical> | what about usb-pen ? |
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| 07:45 | <babilen> | egonw: If it has not yet become clear: Read "The story of linux-kbuild-2.6" on http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 07:45 | <babilen> | egonw: That will give you a linux-kbuild for the 37 kernel |
| 07:47 | <egonw> | babilen: yeah, following those instructions now... just feels weird... having to work with the kernel sources, when there already are binary .deb ... the silence after my comment was enough to make me feel stupid and just try :) |
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| 07:49 | <egonw> | ok, following those instructions gives me a bad orig/linux-kbuild-foo, listing 2.6.36 |
| 07:49 | <egonw> | I assume I need to change some version number other than $VERSION |
| 07:49 | <egonw> | like updating the debian/changelog |
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| 07:50 | <egonw> | (which is not in the "The story of linux-kbuild-2.6" story, if I may be so frank |
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| 07:50 | <babilen> | egonw: Last time I tried that I was doing it for 2.6.36 from experimental and it worked fine. |
| 07:50 | <babilen> | you may :) |
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| 07:51 | <egonw> | dch to bump the version number? |
| 07:51 | <egonw> | that's just the -X number, right? |
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| 07:51 | <egonw> | ok, booting nano instead :) |
| 07:51 | <babilen> | booting nano? |
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| 07:51 | <egonw> | nano debian/changelog |
| 07:52 | <babilen> | no, use dch -- it will take care of a couple of things (and launch you $EDITOR anyway) |
| 07:52 | <babilen> | s/you/your |
| 07:52 | <twb> | Hear, hear |
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| 07:55 | <egonw> | ok, now genorig.py behaves |
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| 07:59 | <egonw> | ok, thanx, that worked... one last thing... should I worry about not having a matching linux-modules .deb? or should I compile those myself too? |
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| 07:59 | <egonw> | babilen: gsimmons jm_: thanx |
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| 08:05 | <hever> | Is it possible to create a RAID 1 mdadm based softraid, but that reads as RAID 0? |
| 08:05 | <twb> | No |
| 08:05 | <twb> | Unless you mean an unstriped (concatenative) RAID0, or a RAID1+0 or 0+1, or something... |
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| 08:13 | <hever> | twb, hmm I read that it's possible to set up a RAID 1 software raid and write data mirrored in the RAID 1 way. But it's possible to read data from all disks, without integrity checks to improve the performance. This sounds very useful... So this is just not possible with mdadm? |
| 08:14 | <twb> | I've never heard of such a thing. |
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| 08:15 | <twb> | Obviously a RAID1 array can perform reads against any of its nodes – that's automatic. |
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| 08:15 | <hever> | hmm... ok. but at least it sounds good. perhaps some propritary software supports this... |
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| 08:16 | <hever> | twb, but using mdadm isn't a integrity check the default ? |
| 08:16 | <twb> | I suppose so. |
| 08:16 | <twb> | mdadm is able to notice when the array falls out of sync. |
| 08:16 | <hever> | twb, means it reads from all disks and checks the integrity of all.. |
| 08:16 | <mjr> | I don't think so, if you mean to ask if it reads the data from both |
| 08:16 | <twb> | hever: no, it doesn't do that. |
| 08:17 | <mjr> | usually periodic checks are run though |
| 08:17 | <mjr> | (and you can initiate a check manually through some echo > sys/proc/whatever |
| 08:17 | <hever> | hmm ok. but it reads a whole file just from one disk? |
| 08:18 | <hever> | and another perhaps from another? |
| 08:18 | <hever> | so it could read two files parallely? |
| 08:18 | <twb> | I assume it's block-oriented |
| 08:18 | <twb> | mdadm isn't a filesystem, it has no concept of files |
| 08:19 | <mjr> | it's block-oriented. Otherwise I'm not sure how it schedules its reads, but one would assume that both disks were utilized. |
| 08:20 | <hever> | hmm.... wouldn't that be reading like RAID 0 ? |
| 08:20 | <twb> | No, RAID0 only stores one copy of the data |
| 08:21 | <mjr> | the stripes in raid 0 allow for faster streaming reading, can't really do that with raid-1 |
| 08:21 | <twb> | So if all requested blocks happen to be on node 0, you'll be bottlenecked on the node 0 channel |
| 08:21 | <hever> | twb, but over n disks |
| 08:21 | <twb> | I weary of this discussion. |
| 08:21 | <mjr> | is the scheduler is smart, it can reduce access latency with a raid-1 setup by using both drives for reading |
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| 08:21 | <mjr> | but, what twb said |
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| 08:23 | <hever> | mjr, but why not? with raid 1 all data are on disk 1 and 2. So it could read some parts from disk one and others from disk two, what increases the speed. |
| 08:23 | <hever> | mjr, that sounds like raid 0 reading or am I misunderstanding something ? |
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| 08:25 | <mjr> | for streaming reading, the stripes are pretty much necessary for the performance boost, since they allow both drives to continuously work on the reading and both are reading non-redundant data. If you do the same on a mirror drive, the disk will spin over the same data on both anyway, not really speeding things up any even if you actually make alternating requests |
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| 08:30 | <hever> | mjr, aah ok thank you, that makes sense. |
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| 08:31 | <Lantizia> | Lo, should anything that can decode mp3 be in debian main? or is that not a problem any more? |
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| 08:40 | <ansgar> | Lantizia: Hasn't only encoding ever been a problem? |
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| 08:41 | <Lantizia> | ansgar, I thought decoding was too |
| 08:42 | <babilen> | Lantizia: For encoding you need some lame package from debian multimedia (e.g. the gstreamer*lame*) -- /msg dpkg dmm -- I never had decoding problems though |
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| 08:43 | <Lantizia> | babilen, I already know about LAME. There were some legal issues with decoding or distro's like debian or ubuntu would have the "out of box" ability to play them just as much as vorbis |
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| 09:11 | <Lantizia> | So does anyone have any ideas about this? |
| 09:11 | <Lantizia> | I see libmad0 is in main, but surely this shouldn't be in main as it decodes mp3... ?!?!?! |
| 09:11 | <babilen> | Lantizia: For encoding you need some lame package from debian multimedia (e.g. the gstreamer*lame*) -- /msg dpkg dmm -- I never had decoding problems though |
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| 09:12 | <babilen> | Lantizia: Didn't you get that before? |
| 09:12 | <Lantizia> | yeah I did and I responded but you went offline |
| 09:12 | <Lantizia> | and (AGAIN) and I'm not talking about encoding, I'm talking about decoding |
| 09:12 | <Lantizia> | <Lantizia> babilen, I already know about LAME. There were some legal issues with decoding or distro's like debian or ubuntu would have the "out of box" ability to play them just as much as vorbis |
| 09:13 | <babilen> | ah, thanks :) |
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| 09:13 | <test> | hiho Guys |
| 09:13 | <babilen> | I never had problems decoding mp3 -- You should have all the gstreamer*-plugins-* packages installed (for e.g. rhythmbox, banshee, ...) or use vlc, or whatev |
| 09:14 | <Lantizia> | babilen, you don't get mp3 playback format |
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| 09:14 | <babilen> | I don't? |
| 09:15 | <babilen> | Which media player do you use? |
| 09:16 | <test> | i have a problem here, someone knows how to install a bitlbee server (Xchat) |
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| 09:18 | <test> | i have a problem here, someone knows how to install a bitlbee server (Xchat) |
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| 09:18 | <test> | ??? |
| 09:19 | <twb> | test: plonk |
| 09:20 | <imganquan> | [3~ |
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| 09:21 | <babilen> | test: "aptitude install bitlbee" and read /usr/share/doc/bitlbee/README.Debian |
| 09:22 | <babilen> | !tell test -about search |
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| 09:23 | <babilen> | test: You connect to your locally running server and setup your account(s) |
| 09:23 | <test> | thank you |
| 09:23 | <babilen> | You are welcome |
| 09:24 | <Lantizia> | babilen, CD1 doesn't give you any library or program that can play back mp3 |
| 09:24 | <Lantizia> | i don't think any of the CD's do |
| 09:24 | <Lantizia> | it's meant to be that way I'm sure of it |
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| 09:24 | <Lantizia> | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/why-linux-dont-support-mp3-and-selected-wifi-cards-out-of-the-box.html |
| 09:24 | <babilen> | test: Ah, the README.Debian is not explaining how to configure bitlbee -- check the docs at http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/extdoc.html |
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| 09:32 | <equipo05-06> | gty |
| 09:32 | <equipo05-06> | ke onda |
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| 10:09 | <WaVeS> | I'm trying to install Debian from USB how do I get around "Detect and mount CD-ROM" |
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| 10:09 | <dvs> | Put an ISO image on the USB drive? |
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| 10:11 | <WaVeS> | Yes, with Unetbootin |
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| 10:11 | <babilen> | the ISO file itself *not* the files contained therein ... |
| 10:11 | <babilen> | !usb install |
| 10:11 | <dpkg> | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 10:12 | <WaVeS> | Thanks. |
| 10:12 | <babilen> | WaVeS: Don't you just select an ISO in unetbootin? (I never used it, but that was my impression) |
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| 10:23 | <sret> | so |
| 10:23 | <sret> | i finally managed to mess up my xorg conf |
| 10:23 | <sret> | lol |
| 10:23 | <sret> | and gdm failed |
| 10:23 | <sret> | i think i kinda learnt about xorg more with the crash |
| 10:24 | <sret> | and learnt vi too a lil bit from this lil incident |
| 10:24 | * | sret grins |
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| 10:24 | <sret> | hi babilen |
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| 10:27 | <babilen> | o/ |
| 10:28 | <sret> | hehe |
| 10:28 | <sret> | kinda played with vi last night |
| 10:28 | <sret> | major crash with xorg while installing compiz |
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| 10:29 | <sret> | only later did i realise we didnt hve to manually do it anymore |
| 10:29 | <sret> | compiz is a lot of fun |
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| 10:45 | <lau> | is debconf still asking for maintainer conf file version against locally updated one while aptitude upgrading with DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninterractive ? |
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| 10:46 | <babilen> | sret: "vimtutor" -- have fun! |
| 10:46 | <sret> | babilen: yeah its harder than nano |
| 10:47 | <sret> | but i used vi from tty |
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| 10:47 | <sret> | when xorg.conf crashed |
| 10:47 | <rpetre> | sret: after a while using it you find out that everithing else is way harder |
| 10:47 | <sret> | rpetre: we'll see |
| 10:47 | <sret> | :P |
| 10:47 | <rpetre> | "how can they live with nano?" |
| 10:47 | <nardev> | HI, i have one bluetooth GPS receiver, can anyone suggest or help me find program/specifications or c/c++ library how to communicate with that device? Actually i would love to communicate with it from shell. |
| 10:47 | <sret> | you know whats hard? |
| 10:47 | <sret> | trying to get flash to install in debian |
| 10:47 | <sret> | BUT |
| 10:47 | <sret> | i did it! |
| 10:48 | <rpetre> | sret: it's point and click these days |
| 10:48 | <sret> | to install flash rpetre ? |
| 10:48 | <sret> | no way |
| 10:48 | <rpetre> | aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree or something like it |
| 10:48 | <rpetre> | yup |
| 10:48 | <sret> | yeah but flasplugin as i understand installs old stuff from lenny2 |
| 10:48 | <sret> | my flash works now |
| 10:48 | <rpetre> | one package install and one browser restart later, and it just works |
| 10:48 | <sret> | removed 9 and updated to 10 using flashplugin non free |
| 10:48 | <sret> | but the problem arises in update manager |
| 10:49 | <sret> | some libs used by flash need updating and i think if you do update those, flash isnt going to work |
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| 10:49 | <jordanm> | yep, libgtk2.0 from backports |
| 10:49 | <sret> | i got like 13 updates now |
| 10:49 | <jordanm> | I believe the maintainer fixed the depends after I reported the bug though |
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| 10:49 | <sret> | and im not sure if i sohuld, because i think those depend on flash and flash wont work |
| 10:50 | <sret> | yeah jordanm mostly libgtk stuff |
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| 10:51 | <sret> | its interesting to see workarounds to get things working on linux |
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| 10:51 | <jordanm> | sret: it shouldn't require any work arounds |
| 10:51 | <jordanm> | debian packages are designed to work |
| 10:52 | <sret> | jordanm: are you saying i should update now that flash 10 is installed and i wont have issues? |
| 10:52 | <jordanm> | sret: when you install the flashplugin-nonfree package it grabs the latest version |
| 10:53 | <sret> | ok the ones for update are not gtk |
| 10:53 | <sret> | its libavcode |
| 10:53 | <sret> | libacformat |
| 10:53 | <sret> | a bunch of libav stuff |
| 10:53 | <sret> | 4 files |
| 10:54 | <sret> | all these libs are of the version lenny1 from the looks of it |
| 10:55 | <sret> | if upgraded would be 0.3lenny2 |
| 10:55 | <jordanm> | sret: aptitude full-upgrade |
| 10:55 | <jordanm> | flash needs to be upgraded with a "reinstall" because of the way it downloads from upstream |
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| 10:57 | <sret> | but im using flash 10 |
| 10:57 | <sret> | thats the latest |
| 10:57 | <sret> | ok updated |
| 10:57 | <sret> | done |
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| 10:59 | <sret> | ok works i guess |
| 10:59 | <sret> | thanks |
| 10:59 | <sret> | :D |
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| 10:59 | <sret> | babilen: btw i have epic4 installed |
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| 11:00 | <sret> | wb jordanm , thanksi upgraded |
| 11:00 | <sret> | babilen: its almost the same or infact better than irssi if you ask me |
| 11:00 | <sret> | you can customise it a lot |
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| 11:02 | <sret> | epic5 is better but i think epic4 with some reasonable scripting is pretty friggin awesome |
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| 11:10 | <lau> | I am trying to automate aptitude -q -y full-upgrade process for remote hosts |
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| 11:10 | <lau> | I DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninterractive aptitude -q -y full-upgrade |
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| 11:11 | <lau> | but I don't exactly understand how DEBCONF_FRONTEND works , can you detail please ? |
| 11:11 | <lau> | will the dpkg query about maintainer conf file versions overrinding locally updated ones still raise ? |
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| 11:25 | <nof0ld> | anybody use a macbook with debian, here? |
| 11:27 | <cahoot> | !anybody |
| 11:27 | <dpkg> | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 11:31 | <datacrusher> | !smart questions |
| 11:31 | <dpkg> | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 11:54 | <hever> | Can Pound forward SSL Traffic just to another server without decoding or doing anything with it? |
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| 12:11 | <war> | hey |
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| 12:11 | <war> | anyone here?? |
| 12:12 | <f8l> | war: No. ;-) |
| 12:12 | <retrospectacus> | hundreds of us |
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| 12:13 | <war> | backtack4-partion is full |
| 12:13 | <cahoot> | !bt4 |
| 12:13 | <dpkg> | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
| 12:13 | <war> | lame |
| 12:13 | <cahoot> | true |
| 12:13 | <war> | iso iso iso |
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| 12:16 | <sney> | aww, we didn't get to use !bt4-magic |
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| 12:18 | <retrospectacus> | why go to IRC for help with "backtack4-partion is full" anyways |
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| 12:19 | <bee> | hey |
| 12:19 | <retrospectacus> | hi |
| 12:19 | <cahoot> | wasn't it just a declaration of a fact? |
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| 12:19 | <jordanm> | retrospectacus: I get that crap at work. tell a customer they are out of disk space and they ask "well, how do I fix it?" hehe |
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| 12:20 | <retrospectacus> | lol... |
| 12:20 | <sney> | kids read some million year old howto about disk space, they give 1GB to everything and then leave the rest for /home |
| 12:20 | <sney> | 'waaah /usr is full' |
| 12:20 | -!- | kudlaty is now known as kudlaty^afk |
| 12:21 | <jordanm> | thats why everyone should use LVM without fully allocating the vg :) |
| 12:22 | <jordanm> | I actually extended my ext3 /home the other day *while* writting a lot of data to the drive just to see how it did. the operation took longer but everything seems to be good |
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| 12:24 | <sney> | I just use the whole disk and back up any important stuff |
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| 12:25 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Hey |
| 12:25 | <retrospectacus> | I like to keep /home separate so I can install a new OS and use the same /home ... but it causes problems occasionally |
| 12:26 | <retrospectacus> | and I don't need any new OS anymore... I have debian ;) |
| 12:26 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | So you can install 7 and linux? |
| 12:26 | <cahoot> | 7? |
| 12:26 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Windows 7 |
| 12:26 | <retrospectacus> | you can install 7 linuxes and windows 7 |
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| 12:27 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Dang. I didnt know that. I wish that I would of now. |
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| 12:27 | <retrospectacus> | xAKPxplaymate08: you will need to partition your disk(s) and install windows first |
| 12:27 | <sney> | I have xp on a different hard drive, I have enough extra disks. I probably won't get win7 for myself until I wind up with a free license from somewhere, though the wife has it |
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| 12:28 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | So I would install 7 and partion the disc space, then install backtrack on the rest of the space |
| 12:28 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | ? |
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| 12:28 | <__neila__> | install only Debian with Xen/KVM/VMWare/VirtualBox and the install winsomething there |
| 12:28 | <__neila__> | ;) |
| 12:29 | <retrospectacus> | you would partition the disk space, install 7, then install debian. throw backtrack away |
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| 12:29 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | So debain is better than backtrack? |
| 12:29 | <__neila__> | debian is the best :) |
| 12:29 | <retrospectacus> | of course. You are in #debian |
| 12:29 | <retrospectacus> | also |
| 12:29 | <retrospectacus> | !debain |
| 12:29 | <dpkg> | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 12:29 | <sney> | __neila__: that only works if you're not planning to play games on the windows install, they haven't really made direct access to 3d hardware work from a guest yet |
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| 12:30 | <zy> | Hi everyone, in my squeeze, pm-hibernate do not work ( resume is not attempted during boot ), what is wrong ? |
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| 12:30 | <cahoot> | zy: checked the pm-utils logs in /var/log? |
| 12:30 | <sney> | xAKPxplaymate08: backtrack is a very specialized set of security tools. Debian is a whole operating system that has those tools available if you want them, but it also has thousands of other software packages you can install. |
| 12:30 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | I'm also assuming that its a linux based software. I will look it up right now |
| 12:30 | <__neila__> | sney: virtualbox have got direct-3d and mayby it works |
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| 12:31 | <__neila__> | hardware direct3d |
| 12:31 | <sney> | backtrack is based on ubuntu which is based on debian. you're at the progenitor here |
| 12:31 | <sney> | __neila__: it works in theory but there's still a lot missing |
| 12:31 | <__neila__> | but game in debian is cool :D |
| 12:31 | <themill> | zy: does your kernel command line have a resume=/dev/foo line in it? |
| 12:31 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | So if I install debain then it has the backtrack software on it? |
| 12:31 | <__neila__> | sney: try netris ;) |
| 12:31 | <sney> | it has all of those tools available |
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| 12:32 | <sney> | most won't be installed by default but it's your choice and you can have them within a couple seconds over decent broadband |
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| 12:32 | <zy> | cahoot: I think there is nothing wrong in the log |
| 12:32 | <zy> | themill: no, is this a must for resume ? |
| 12:32 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | I have never heard of it here. Plus I was using it to figure out how to get the wireless around my complex, but I should try it out. I will download it to a disc now |
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| 12:34 | <themill> | zy: it is if your swap partition is somewhere "unexpected" like on lvm rather than on a partition. |
| 12:34 | <sret> | ok backtrack isnt part of debian |
| 12:34 | * | sret shrugs |
| 12:34 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | So where would be the best place to download debain from? |
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| 12:35 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | But does it still have the tools like backtrack does? |
| 12:35 | <sret> | check the mirrors list on debian |
| 12:35 | <sret> | do this |
| 12:35 | <retrospectacus> | !install |
| 12:35 | <dpkg> | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 12:35 | <sret> | /msg dpkg backtrack |
| 12:35 | <sret> | it'll tell you what it is |
| 12:35 | <sret> | its more catered towards ubuntu |
| 12:36 | <sret> | why do you need all the backtrack stuff? debian has a shitload of security tools as ti is |
| 12:37 | <retrospectacus> | I heard it magically makes you a hacker |
| 12:37 | <cahoot> | cracker? |
| 12:38 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | I'm trying to secure my network connection so its better and making sure that I can't get into it |
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| 12:38 | <sret> | xAKPxplaymate08: get the netinstall.iso |
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| 12:38 | <sret> | its small to the point, you'll get all the necessary stuff for a standard debian system |
| 12:38 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | It's on the debain site correct? |
| 12:38 | <sret> | yeah |
| 12:39 | <themill> | xAKPxplaymate08: look at what dpkg said earlier |
| 12:39 | <sret> | lookup the mirrors man |
| 12:39 | <sret> | there's cd, dvd iso formats |
| 12:39 | <sret> | pick one, download |
| 12:39 | <sret> | burn image, install |
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| 12:42 | <kop> | Although the netinstall is both the fastest and sets you up to automatically get updates from the net. |
| 12:42 | <zy> | themill: my swap is normal partition, but was deleted and recreated some time ago. Is the resume device "remembered" somewhere ? |
| 12:42 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | So which is better then? |
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| 12:43 | <sret> | unless of course if you decide to install a desktop software + standard + other stuff you're left to download for possibly 2 hrs |
| 12:43 | <sret> | in which case better off getting a dvd iso |
| 12:43 | <sret> | netinstall.iso is the best to start |
| 12:43 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Well i'm running off a notebook |
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| 12:43 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | assuming that does not make a difference |
| 12:43 | <sret> | small file and fast |
| 12:43 | <kop> | sret: Even then the netinstall is the best option, because there's still sure to be stuff on the dvd that does not get installed. |
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| 12:44 | <sret> | kop: ok |
| 12:44 | <kop> | sret: The only time the dvds/cds are good is if you don't have a regular net connection or, possibly, you'll be installing on gobs and gobs of machines. |
| 12:45 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | So I'm going to have to put it onto a CD to install it first? |
| 12:45 | <sret> | ah ok |
| 12:45 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | That's how its looking to me |
| 12:45 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: That's what most people are most comfortable with. |
| 12:45 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | That's the only way I can see how to do it. |
| 12:45 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: There's other options, see the install guide, but most likely you want to burn the netinstall to cd. |
| 12:46 | <themill> | zy: you could try adding resume=/dev/foo to your kernel command line and see if that solves the problem. If it does, make it permanent by adding it to /etc/default/grub |
| 12:46 | <sret> | xAKPxplaymate08: yeah and then burn the iso to an image |
| 12:46 | <sret> | the download should take about less than 3 mins on a reular DSL |
| 12:46 | <sret> | took me about 30mins on verizon |
| 12:46 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: There's install via live usb stick, install by booting off the network, and probably several others. But don't go there. |
| 12:46 | <sret> | 30 mins* |
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| 12:47 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Businesscard CD image? |
| 12:47 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: netinstall. |
| 12:47 | <sret> | yeah there's one where you can install from a windows env too using a win32 deb installer or something i read |
| 12:47 | <sret> | heh |
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| 12:48 | <kop> | sret: Right. You can run linux as your windows screensaver and use that to install. But why? |
| 12:48 | <kop> | sret: There's a website with a button to click. |
| 12:48 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Got it. Had a retard moment. Download alpha, amd64 e.t.c.... ? |
| 12:48 | <sret> | kop: yeah i wouldnt do that but i didnt know you could |
| 12:48 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: You either want i386 or amd64, depending on whether you're a 32 or 64bit system. |
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| 12:49 | <kop> | sret: Apparently it's not foolproof. |
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| 12:49 | <sret> | kop: heh ok |
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| 12:49 | <zy> | themill: thanks, I will try. |
| 12:49 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: New to debian? See the following factoid. |
| 12:50 | <kop> | !tell xAKPxplaymate08 about overview |
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| 12:51 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Ugh. Borrowed my roomates old laptop to do all this for him. He doesnt even know if he is running 64 or 32 bit |
| 12:51 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: Note also that there's about to be a new release. You may or may not want to install it now. It does not have first-class security support, and still as a few bugs (or it would already be released). |
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| 12:52 | <smv> | xAKPxplaymate08, how much ram and what kind of processor? |
| 12:52 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: Many prefer to install squeeze, "about" to be released as stable. Depending on how new the box is it might be better to have the newer software to support the hardware. |
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| 12:52 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | He has no clue |
| 12:53 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Dell inspiron 1525 |
| 12:53 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | He installed Windows 7 onto this piece of junk |
| 12:53 | <sret> | how much ram |
| 12:53 | <sret> | dell is fine |
| 12:54 | <sret> | i got an old ass dell here that runs smooth |
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| 12:56 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | He has no clue. Attempting to look it up now |
| 12:56 | <smv> | xAKPxplaymate08, in a terminal do: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:56 | <sret> | he's on win7 |
| 12:56 | <smv> | that shoul give you details about the processor |
| 12:56 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: Or there's some way Windows has to tell you about the hardware. You only need to know 32 or 64 bit. |
| 12:56 | <sret> | on win7 i dont think you'll get cat t work |
| 12:56 | <smv> | sret, he's on some sort of ubuntu i see |
| 12:56 | <sret> | oh |
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| 12:57 | <sret> | xAKPxplaymate08: right click my computer |
| 12:57 | <sret> | properties |
| 12:57 | <sret> | spurt that out in here |
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| 12:57 | <kop> | !paste |
| 12:57 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:58 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | I'm on backtrack now. Got rid of 7 |
| 12:58 | <sret> | ok |
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| 12:58 | <sret> | do what smv said |
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| 12:58 | <smv> | then cat /proc/cpuinfo should be enough to see what kind of proc. top would be ok to find out how much ram |
| 12:59 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 457] by debhelper |
| 12:59 | <sret> | or vmstat rihgt? |
| 12:59 | <sret> | for memory |
| 12:59 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Processor? |
| 13:00 | <retrospectacus> | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:01 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | processor 1 |
| 13:01 | <smv> | model name? |
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| 13:02 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Intel core 2 Duo VPU T83-- @ 2.4GHz |
| 13:02 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | CPU* |
| 13:02 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | T8300* |
| 13:02 | <smv> | amd64 should work on that |
| 13:02 | <retrospectacus> | yep |
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| 13:03 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | So just download all of the alpha amd64 e.t.c |
| 13:03 | <tomehb> | Hello, a quick simple question....... I am setting up a repo mirror. getting following error @ERROR: Unknown module 'ftp' |
| 13:03 | <retrospectacus> | not alpha.. |
| 13:03 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | just amd64? |
| 13:03 | <retrospectacus> | yesh |
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| 13:04 | <retrospectacus> | those are CPU architectures. you only have one |
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| 13:05 | <tomehb> | please ignore my above question :) was being dum. |
| 13:06 | <tomehb> | b |
| 13:06 | <smv> | vmstats -s | grep total would show how much ram, but tbh, i wouldn't go with i386 on that, even if not having 4GB ram |
| 13:06 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | OK, Let's see if I can figure out how to burn the file to the disc |
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| 13:06 | <retrospectacus> | right click the iso - burn to disc |
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| 13:07 | <retrospectacus> | if bt has that feature.. |
| 13:07 | <sret> | i thought |
| 13:07 | <sret> | you had to download the iso to burn |
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| 13:07 | <sret> | you can do it straight away? |
| 13:07 | <smv> | or perhaps look for brasero in the Applications menu? |
| 13:07 | <retrospectacus> | no.. right click in the local file manager |
| 13:07 | <retrospectacus> | after it's downloadded |
| 13:07 | <sret> | ok |
| 13:08 | * | retrospectacus away |
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| 13:08 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | I hate learning new software. I feel like a retard |
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| 13:10 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: The good thing about linux is that what you learned in 1974 is still good. Of course the gui stuff changes, because nobody knows how to do it right. So don't use the gui for anything other than applications that need it. |
| 13:10 | <zach23> | We have app01 and app02 running with app02's /data directory mounted from app01. Today app01 came to a halt with these in the logs: http://pastebin.com/tA4i2iwZ |
| 13:11 | <zach23> | I cannot figure out why app01 is doing this. the only thing we did was dist-upgrade to the new libc6 on our lenny boxes. ever since then this happened |
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| 13:11 | <babaroga> | hey |
| 13:11 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | I'm only 18. I started out with mint and went on from there. Someone said to try out backtrack and I did. But I just started out with mint abouot a couple weeks ago |
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| 13:11 | <babaroga> | helloooo |
| 13:11 | <babaroga> | how hacked facebook |
| 13:11 | <babaroga> | wich backtrack? |
| 13:11 | <sret> | the gui stuff is actually ok like synpatic or update manager |
| 13:12 | <sret> | but learning in the terminal definitely is a plus |
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| 13:12 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | backtrack4 |
| 13:12 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: You will definately want to use backports (or if you're using squeeze use backports after it is released.) |
| 13:12 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | What's that mean kop? |
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| 13:12 | <kop> | !tell xAKPxplaymate08 about bdo |
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| 13:13 | <kop> | Humm. The bot seems slow. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 13:14 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | What i'm trying to do right now is download the file onto the disc so I can install debain |
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| 13:15 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: Right. Backports is for later. Just didn't want you to miss out. |
| 13:15 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | kop: oh I see. Do you know backtrack at all? |
| 13:15 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: No. |
| 13:16 | <smv> | i think that what you already know only needs to be adjusted here and there |
| 13:16 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | kop: s#!t. Gotta google it now |
| 13:16 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: The nice thing aboug debian is it has lots of packages, so the debian team takes care of making the software work together. When you need a package, get it from the offical repos or else you're on your own and things will break, especially on upgrade. |
| 13:17 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: The reason why MS Windows boxes turn to mush is that people install stuff from everywhere, and arn't able to keep it all working together. |
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| 13:18 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Gangster. I just want to widen my technology span, I mean I mod xboxes and what not, but I want something new that I really don't know, and I think that this is what i'm looking for |
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| 13:18 | <smv> | kop, if that would've been the only problem, then it would've been great... |
| 13:18 | <tomehb> | exit |
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| 13:19 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Yeah, thats why I kept my windows pc simple |
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| 13:19 | <kop> | smv: "that" is a really big prolem, or people would be able to keep their boxes patched (for some value of patched). Anyway this belongs on #debian-offtopic and I don't want to go there. |
| 13:20 | <smv> | :)) |
| 13:20 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | so off topic right quick, am I in the right section? |
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| 13:20 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: If you need help on debian this is the spot. |
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| 13:21 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | well I will give debain a shot and see how i like it. if i could figure out how to get it onto a cd |
| 13:21 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: If you need help on windows, even how to burn a debian image so that it will boot, you _should_ go elsewhere. (But people will often give a quick tip anyway.) |
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| 13:21 | <smv> | xAKPxplaymate08, have you downloaded the iso already? |
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| 13:22 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: Nothing wrong with running i386. Especially older hardware, not a lot of ram, etc. Even if it's a 64 bit box. |
| 13:22 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | smv, yes I have. its on the desktop |
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| 13:23 | <smv> | xAKPxplaymate08, right click on it and see if there is any 'write image to disc' or something like that |
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| 13:24 | <kop> | Surely the install guide has hints on how to burn a cd? |
| 13:24 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | open, cut, copy, rename, move to trash, open with, encrypt file, properties |
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| 13:25 | <smv> | in Apllications menu is there some Multimedia submenu? it should have Brasero or something like that |
| 13:26 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | in multimedia, its kmix |
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| 13:27 | <smv> | oh, so it's KDE not GNOME |
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| 13:27 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | I think |
| 13:27 | <smv> | K3B anywhere? |
| 13:28 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows |
| 13:28 | <smv> | kop, he's on bt now |
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| 13:30 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: This is ancient advice, prolly still works (but, as it says, use wodim instead of cdrecord). http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-unix |
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| 13:32 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | I'm a retard guys |
| 13:34 | <kop> | xAKPxplaymate08: That's why we're all here. It's a self-help group. :) |
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| 13:36 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | thanks kop. Great friend. lol |
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| 13:37 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Anyone live in or near Sacramento? Lol |
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| 13:39 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | Think I should just use the other laptop to download and burn debain? |
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| 13:39 | <Rovanion> | Does anyone know why I'm getting this error: E: Misslyckades med att hämta http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades_0.62_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.173 80] ? |
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| 13:40 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | kop or smv, do you guys have an xbox? |
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| 13:41 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | xbox360* |
| 13:41 | <fralle> | somebody know how i can make rdesktop not to steal total focus? |
| 13:41 | <smv> | xAKPxplaymate08, i don't |
| 13:41 | <fralle> | i cant move to another workspace when i launch it |
| 13:41 | <fralle> | anoying as hell |
| 13:41 | <fralle> | :) |
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| 13:42 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | kop, do you? |
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| 13:47 | <fralle> | ctrl-alt-enter made the trick :) |
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| 13:47 | <fralle> | got me out of shitty windows... puh |
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| 13:50 | <Darkk> | hello i'm running debia 5 64 bit and all my servers have 60 cpu |
| 13:50 | <Darkk> | already dit setenforce 0 |
| 13:50 | <Darkk> | and apt-get install ia32-libs |
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| 13:51 | <xAKPxplaymate08> | take care guys. ill try later |
| 13:51 | <Darkk> | but still have 60 cpu :< |
| 13:51 | <Darkk> | some one can help me :( |
| 13:52 | <cahoot> | 60 what? |
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| 13:53 | <Darkk> | 60 cpu |
| 13:53 | <Darkk> | in idle status |
| 13:53 | <Darkk> | no mods |
| 13:55 | <jhutchins_lt> | Darkk: According to what tool? |
| 13:55 | <jhutchins_lt> | Darkk: Which kernel (uname -r)? |
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| 13:57 | <Darkk> | i check |
| 13:57 | <Darkk> | i running a gameserver |
| 13:57 | <Darkk> | call of duty 4 |
| 13:57 | <Darkk> | 2 |
| 13:57 | <Darkk> | doesn't metter all i get 60 cpu |
| 13:57 | <Darkk> | public:/home/gameservers/cod2/server1# uname -r |
| 13:57 | <Darkk> | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 13:59 | <Darkk> | some :( |
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| 14:01 | <jhutchins_lt> | What tells you that the cpu is at 60% load? |
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| 14:02 | <Darkk> | top |
| 14:02 | <Darkk> | jhujhiti check pm |
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| 14:04 | <Darkk> | top - 14:02:18 up 46 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 14:04 | <Darkk> | Tasks: 98 total, 1 running, 97 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 14:04 | <Darkk> | Cpu0 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 14:04 | <Darkk> | Cpu1 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 14:04 | <Darkk> | Cpu2 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 14:04 | -!- | Darkk was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste] |
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| 14:04 | <Darkk> | oeps |
| 14:04 | <Darkk> | :P |
| 14:05 | <streuner_> | !tell Darkk about paste |
| 14:05 | <jhutchins_lt> | Darkk: Not him, but that shows 100% idle on all but two processors which are less than 10% loaded. Your top load is the cod server. |
| 14:05 | <streuner_> | Darkk: we prefer 2 lines, not more... |
| 14:05 | <Darkk> | i know sorry :$ |
| 14:05 | <Darkk> | i forget it |
| 14:05 | <streuner_> | np |
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| 14:05 | <Darkk> | :) |
| 14:05 | <Darkk> | i know my top load is cod2 |
| 14:05 | <Darkk> | but it says 60 % |
| 14:05 | <Darkk> | but if i look to all 7 processors |
| 14:06 | <Darkk> | it says 0,0 |
| 14:06 | <TIPS> | hey guys i got a question bout backtrack, anyone can help? |
| 14:06 | <ansgar> | !backtrack |
| 14:06 | <dpkg> | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
| 14:06 | <Darkk> | maybe it says 1 cpu : 0,3 |
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| 14:06 | <Darkk> | but why top says : 60 % |
| 14:06 | <Darkk> | ? |
| 14:06 | <TIPS> | thats actually what I needed to know thnx :) |
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| 14:09 | <jhutchins_lt> | Darkk: WHAT says 60%? |
| 14:10 | <Darkk> | if i type : |
| 14:10 | <Darkk> | top on debian |
| 14:10 | <Darkk> | cod2_lnxded |
| 14:10 | <Darkk> | or other game |
| 14:10 | <Darkk> | mohaa_lnxded |
| 14:10 | <Darkk> | it doesn't matter he says on top the cpu usages of that games mohaa_lnxded and cod2_lnxded cpu: 60% load |
| 14:10 | <Darkk> | its a i7 processor |
| 14:10 | <jhutchins_lt> | Darkk: Take a look at the sysstat package, it will give you a clearer picture. Are you having performance problems or just seeing funny numbers? |
| 14:11 | <Darkk> | it seems to look @ funny numbers |
| 14:11 | <Darkk> | .. |
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| 14:11 | <Darkk> | can you take a look for mee ? |
| 14:13 | <jhutchins_lt> | Darkk: I know top has some confusion in it's multi-core displays. I have the same problem sometimes with just two, but like I said sysstat has a lot more information. |
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| 14:14 | <Darkk> | whats sysstat |
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| 14:14 | <Darkk> | sorry i'm not a expert in linux :P |
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| 14:16 | <EmleyMoor> | Are there any examples on how to use jscal? I need to map button 11 on my joystick to be either nothing or a copy of one of the other buttons - I have a program that crashes if button 11 is pressed |
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| 14:18 | <Darkk> | Some1 can help me ? |
| 14:19 | <__neila__> | Darkk: many application use only 1 core cpu |
| 14:19 | <retrospectacus> | Darkk: what is the problem? |
| 14:19 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... jscal no help |
| 14:20 | <Darkk> | retrospectacus i running gameservers like call of duty 2 and 4 on a debian 5.0 64 bit server |
| 14:20 | <Darkk> | but the server is empty no mods |
| 14:20 | <Darkk> | and in idle stauts |
| 14:20 | <Darkk> | the server give me a cpu load from 60 to 80 % |
| 14:20 | <Darkk> | people told me to do this: |
| 14:21 | <Darkk> | setenforce 0 |
| 14:21 | <Darkk> | and apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 14:21 | <Darkk> | but nothing help |
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| 14:21 | <Darkk> | still get cpu load of 60 to 80 % |
| 14:21 | <devil> | Darkk: strange advice |
| 14:21 | <smv> | i'd have a look with htop on that machine. never failed me on multi-core... |
| 14:22 | <devil> | Darkk: what tool informs you about that load? |
| 14:22 | <Darkk> | top |
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| 14:23 | <retrospectacus> | Darkk: that's normal |
| 14:23 | <Darkk> | why i don;t have that on a quard core ? |
| 14:23 | <devil> | Darkk: then it should also tell you what is using the cpu(s) |
| 14:23 | <retrospectacus> | those kind of game servers tick as fast as they can |
| 14:23 | <Darkk> | cpu load on my quard core = 0,0 in idle |
| 14:23 | <smv> | Darkk, pastebin so we can se the whole thing. |
| 14:23 | <jhutchins> | Darkk: sysstat and htop are packages you can install from debian. |
| 14:23 | <Darkk> | htop |
| 14:24 | <Darkk> | says the same |
| 14:24 | <__neila__> | Darkk: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:24 | <jhutchins> | !info sysstat |
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| 14:24 | <retrospectacus> | Darkk: copy and paste the entire screen into http://pastie.com |
| 14:24 | <retrospectacus> | then say the url of your paste here. |
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| 14:24 | <sret> | compiz is just fucking cool |
| 14:24 | <dpkg> | sysstat: (system performance tools for Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 9.0.6.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 276 kB, Installed size: 1124 kB |
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| 14:25 | <Darkk> | http://pastie.com ? |
| 14:25 | <Darkk> | i can;t enter |
| 14:25 | <Darkk> | you want to see a screenshot ? |
| 14:26 | <__neila__> | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 14:26 | <__neila__> | or another |
| 14:26 | <sret> | anyone knows of a plugin for gnome compiz thats like the desktop cube? |
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| 14:26 | <devil> | sret: kde4 :) |
| 14:26 | <sret> | wb babilen |
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| 14:26 | <sret> | not instlling kde now |
| 14:26 | <sret> | not till i know gnome well enough:P |
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| 14:27 | <smv> | sret, aptitude search compiz |
| 14:27 | <sret> | besides i have only 2GB of ram i don want it to go nuts with kde and gnome installed here |
| 14:27 | <Darkk> | http://pastebin.com/7AsH5dBp |
| 14:27 | <devil> | sret: kde4 has loads of compiz stuff default |
| 14:27 | <Darkk> | http://pastebin.com/7AsH5dBp |
| 14:27 | <sret> | smv: ok |
| 14:27 | <sret> | devil: yeah i saw |
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| 14:28 | <Darkk> | update : http://pastebin.com/r1wkLuCH |
| 14:28 | <sret> | smv: i think i have most of all that |
| 14:28 | <sret> | besides the gtk one and kde |
| 14:28 | <localhorst> | hi guys |
| 14:28 | <sret> | i wanted a compiz theme for gnome |
| 14:29 | <sret> | ubuntu comes with a theme manager, but for debian i couldnt find any |
| 14:29 | <sret> | !compiz theme |
| 14:29 | <devil> | Darkk: so what is spearhead_lnxde? |
| 14:29 | <chealer> | devil: what compiz stuff does kde4 have default? |
| 14:29 | <sret> | !compiztheme |
| 14:29 | <sret> | !compizthemes |
| 14:29 | <chealer> | !tell sret about msg the bot |
| 14:29 | <devil> | sret: debian is not into much eyecandy. |
| 14:29 | <localhorst> | i want to download and seed debian dvds via bittorrent but i get an error message |
| 14:29 | <sret> | devil: i know:P |
| 14:29 | <sret> | but i want to try it |
| 14:30 | <sret> | not stick to it :P |
| 14:30 | <smv> | sret, i'm not sure what you mean. also not sure what's the difference betwen compiz-gnome and compiz-gtk. do you have compizconfig-settings-manager? |
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| 14:30 | <localhorst> | bittornado as well as bittorrent are telling me: error(s): [20:27:49] rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker. |
| 14:30 | <sret> | smv: yeah and i cssm |
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| 14:30 | <localhorst> | does someone has an idea, what i have to do to solve this? |
| 14:30 | <retrospectacus> | sret: the cube is in the ccsm |
| 14:30 | <sret> | compiz gnome is for gnome as it says from the name i believe |
| 14:31 | <Darkk> | http://pastebin.com/r1wkLuCH |
| 14:31 | <Darkk> | and now ? |
| 14:31 | <sret> | retrospectacus: i have the cube, i wanted something similar as a theme |
| 14:31 | <devil> | Darkk: so what is spearhead_lnxde? |
| 14:31 | <Darkk> | thats a game server |
| 14:31 | <devil> | its eating your cpu |
| 14:31 | <smv> | sret, with theme you mean the window borders or what? |
| 14:31 | <retrospectacus> | Darkk: that's normal |
| 14:31 | <Darkk> | Medal of honor Spearhead |
| 14:31 | <sret> | smv: yeah and the icons too i believe |
| 14:31 | <Darkk> | no it isn't :P why all my other servers don;t have it :P ? |
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| 14:32 | <sret> | borders, backgrounds |
| 14:32 | <Darkk> | debian 4.0 always use it never get this only @ 5.0 64 bit |
| 14:33 | <bgat> | I'm running the latest lxr-cvs on squeeze, but getting blank output in my browser window where code should be |
| 14:33 | <jhutchins> | !tell Darkk about bdo |
| 14:33 | <jhutchins> | Darkk: You could try the .32 kernel, it might behave better. |
| 14:34 | <smv> | sret, them perhaps you want a theme manager for gnome itself, not for compiz. different things i think. right click on desktop and have a look at 'change desktop background'. there is also a themes tab. |
| 14:34 | <__neila__> | Darkk: What do you want to do? |
| 14:34 | <jhutchins> | bgat: If you were running a debian package we might be able to help you. |
| 14:34 | <sret> | smv: let me check |
| 14:34 | <bgat> | jhutchins: duh, I guess I should have mentioned that. :) |
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| 14:34 | <sret> | smv: im actually looking for a gnome compiz theme |
| 14:35 | <bgat> | I'm running the latest lxr-cvs Debian package, I mean :) |
| 14:35 | <sret> | oh the change desktop backround is just plain gnome stuff |
| 14:35 | <Darkk> | jhujhitins i don;t know how can you help me ? |
| 14:35 | <Darkk> | 32 bit you mean |
| 14:35 | <__neila__> | Darkk: maybe you must run application with parameters multicore/numbers core example: server_cod2 --core 8 |
| 14:36 | <jhutchins> | ,version lxr-cvs |
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| 14:36 | <bgat> | funny thing is, I have been using lxr-cvs for months and months with no problems, but when I installed it for the first time on a new workstation, all it gives me is blank screens... |
| 14:36 | <Darkk> | __neila__ if i do that a server takes 1 core ? |
| 14:36 | <bgat> | jhutchins: lxr-cvs 0.9.5+cvs20071020-1+lenny |
| 14:36 | <smv> | sret, i'm not sure there is such a thing. i never saw such a thing in about a year and some since using debian. perhaps if you point me to the thing you say ubuntu has i might figure out... |
| 14:37 | <sret> | smv: ubuntu has emerald as their theme manager |
| 14:37 | <sret> | and it lets them use compiz themes |
| 14:37 | <sret> | for kde or for gnome |
| 14:37 | <sret> | let me see |
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| 14:37 | <jhutchins> | bgat: Ok, I thought you meant you were running a cvs version of something. |
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| 14:37 | <bgat> | jhutchins: nope, just the plain-vanilla Debian package :) |
| 14:38 | <sret> | smv: http://www.compiz-themes.org |
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| 14:38 | <smv> | sret, now we talk about something different. emerald is not a theme manager for gnome compiz or whatever, but for emerald itself. i don't think emerald is available in debian repos. |
| 14:38 | <sret> | smv: its not |
| 14:39 | <__neila__> | Darkk: check application-server what you are running ( --help, man), this is soft only |
| 14:39 | <sret> | its ubuntu's compiz theme manager |
| 14:39 | <sret> | i dont particularly need emerald |
| 14:39 | <sret> | i just wanted to install compiz themes for debian lenny but for gnome |
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| 14:39 | <sret> | unless of course it shouldnt matter if the theme is generic(kde/gnome) |
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| 14:40 | <smv> | sret, you got quite confused by the site's name i think. there is no thing as compiz theme. there are only emerald themes, metacity themes, and whatever else you have for a wiondow manager that has a window border manager. but no "compiz themes". |
| 14:41 | <bgat> | it's like when lxr-cvs goes to output the code to the browser window, it isn't finding whatever tool it uses to generate that code; but I can't figure out why that would be the case, since it has worked fine for me in other installations... |
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| 14:41 | <sret> | smv: yeah but the theme is about eyecandy stuff for your borders, etc eh? |
| 14:41 | <sret> | and background |
| 14:41 | <smv> | sret, now, if you want emerald themes, then you 1st need to get emerald itself, and then import themes into it |
| 14:41 | <sret> | emerald would work in debian? |
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| 14:43 | <smv> | sret, background might not be managed by compiz, unless you made it to, but by nautilus, and then you can use the gnome theme manager for backgrounds (right click on the desktop). emerald should work, but i never had the chance to use it on debian. |
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| 14:45 | <bgat> | bbl |
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| 14:45 | <sret> | smv: ah |
| 14:45 | <sret> | yeah i wanted a compiz bvackground too |
| 14:45 | <sret> | exactly |
| 14:46 | <sret> | but for a gnome de |
| 14:46 | <smv> | sret, perhaps you might get more help on #compiz @ freenode |
| 14:46 | <sret> | im there, its dead |
| 14:46 | <sret> | i'll check emerald and see how it is |
| 14:46 | <sret> | another thing though |
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| 14:47 | <sret> | when i close the compiz terminal, i lose the borders |
| 14:47 | <sret> | i have to restart xorg and relogin to be back on plain gnome |
| 14:47 | <sret> | is this normal or some kinda bug |
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| 14:49 | <smv> | sret, it's not a bug i think. when you close the that terminal you close compiz, which replaced metacity, and metacity doesn't know that it should reload. in gconf-editor go to desktop > session > required_components and change windowmanager from gnome-wm to compiz to make compiz the default window manager |
| 14:50 | <sret> | ah ok |
| 14:50 | <sret> | thanks |
| 14:50 | <retrospectacus> | sret: install fusion-icon to help turning onn or off compiz |
| 14:51 | <sret> | i have compiz-fusion |
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| 14:51 | <retrospectacus> | I know |
| 14:51 | <sret> | not sure of the icon |
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| 14:51 | <retrospectacus> | install and run fusion-icon - it goes in your notification area and you can use it to control compiz |
| 14:51 | <sret> | smv: cant i do that inside ccsm? |
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| 14:52 | <sret> | retrospectacus: is that available in the dep pkgs? |
| 14:52 | <sret> | its called fusion-icon? |
| 14:52 | <smv> | when i was using compiz i never needed the icon (which is actually an applet loaded in notification area) |
| 14:52 | <sret> | compiz loads just fine |
| 14:52 | <retrospectacus> | sret, it's dying because you killed the terminal that started it. fusion-icon will start it properly |
| 14:52 | <sret> | its when i close it, it kills all the boders and windows stick together |
| 14:52 | <retrospectacus> | sret, yes yes |
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| 14:53 | <sret> | ah |
| 14:53 | <tchnkion-wrek-gar> | recently did an update and now grub doesn't start |
| 14:53 | <smv> | or just make compiz default in gconf-editor, and define a fail-safe or something like that in ccsm. |
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| 14:53 | <LuisV> | sret: did you chek this:gconftool-2 --set -t string /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager compiz |
| 14:54 | <sret> | LuisV not sure |
| 14:54 | <sret> | i never used the gconf tool, just ccsm |
| 14:54 | <LuisV> | sret: ok |
| 14:54 | <smv> | does the same thing as what i said with gconf-editor |
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| 14:54 | <tchnkion> | is there any reason why grub is not starting? |
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| 14:55 | <devil> | tchnkion: sure. |
| 14:55 | <tchnkion> | devil, why? |
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| 14:55 | <devil> | tchnkion: did you upgrade from grub to grub2? |
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| 14:56 | <sret> | ok fusion-icon is installed |
| 14:56 | <sret> | what now |
| 14:56 | <sret> | i need this to run before i start compiz? |
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| 14:56 | <tchnkion> | devil: did not look at all of what was being upgraded |
| 14:56 | <tchnkion> | devil: no idea |
| 14:56 | <devil> | tchnkion: smart ;) |
| 14:56 | <JesperCheetah> | tchnkion: Does it give any error messages? |
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| 14:57 | <tchnkion> | JesperCheetah: devil: no |
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| 14:57 | <tchnkion> | just grub and cursur |
| 14:57 | <tchnkion> | that's it |
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| 14:58 | <sret> | ok have fusion icon running |
| 14:58 | * | sret checks |
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| 14:58 | <smv> | tchnkion, boot of a live cd/usb, mount the filesystems, especially / and /boot and then run update-grub as root and see what's wrong. |
| 14:58 | <sret> | sweet |
| 14:58 | <sret> | thanks retrospectacus , smv , LuisV |
| 14:59 | <tchnkion> | smv, ok will try |
| 14:59 | <retrospectacus> | enjoy. did you learn about pipes yet? |
| 14:59 | <sret> | oh nice |
| 14:59 | <sret> | commands? |
| 14:59 | <sret> | i have an o reilly's book |
| 14:59 | <sret> | working on it |
| 14:59 | <sret> | learning vim now |
| 14:59 | <retrospectacus> | good stuff :) |
| 14:59 | <tchnkion> | what is a good debian book? |
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| 15:00 | * | smv didn't used vim in the last year and doesn't miss it |
| 15:01 | <LuisV> | tchnkion: debian wiki have a lot of info |
| 15:01 | <jhutchins> | tchnkion: Most of the best info is on-line. |
| 15:01 | <sret> | lol smv |
| 15:01 | <jhutchins> | tchnkion: Books tend to get out of date. |
| 15:01 | <sret> | i dont think i will either but doesnt hurt to learn a bit |
| 15:01 | <sret> | nano seems like the easiest from the looks of it |
| 15:01 | <smv> | it is. |
| 15:01 | <sret> | gedit the easiest |
| 15:01 | <jhutchins> | tchnkion: You can try the http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html or NAG at http://tldp.org |
| 15:01 | <ml|> | sret: /msg dpkg reference |
| 15:01 | <ml|> | tchnkion: ^ |
| 15:01 | <sret> | heh |
| 15:02 | <jhutchins> | vi is very powerful and almost always available. |
| 15:02 | <jhutchins> | vi doesn't assume it will always be on a local console with Fkeys. |
| 15:02 | <smv> | i wish ed was installed by default |
| 15:02 | <reklipz> | Hey folks. I recently performed a dist-upgrade and my touchpad is no longer working. |
| 15:03 | <sret> | jhutchins: are you refering to emacs? |
| 15:03 | <Rovanion> | Does anyone know why I'm getting this error: E: Misslyckades med att hämta http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades_0.62_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.173 80] ? |
| 15:03 | <sret> | this is that debate about emacs vs vi war right? |
| 15:03 | <reklipz> | I'm running Squeeze, and my touchpad is an Alps. |
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| 15:03 | <sret> | i read that bit about emacs and fn keys for everything and the humour surrounding it |
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| 15:05 | <sret> | does compiz use up a lot of memory? |
| 15:05 | <sret> | let me check |
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| 15:05 | <LuisV> | sret: yes, more effects more memory :-)) |
| 15:05 | <sret> | interesting not a lot |
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| 15:06 | <sret> | ah i dont have a lot of effects set, thought so |
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| 15:06 | <sret> | oonly like the cube |
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| 15:08 | <sret> | vi explained in this o'reilly's book is something like 40 pages of stuff |
| 15:08 | <sret> | emacs 20 pgs |
| 15:09 | <sret> | bash stuff sucks in here and the man page |
| 15:09 | <sret> | too technical for newbies |
| 15:09 | <sret> | ibm article by some gentoo guy was nice to learn up on bash |
| 15:09 | <smv> | i used compiz on 512MB ram and 128MB vram, with a dozen of things loaded, and i thought it wasn't that hungry. but then i got rid of it, and i understud that i really didn't need it. :)) |
| 15:10 | <sret> | min requirement to run compiz is 512 acording to the wiki |
| 15:10 | <sret> | debian wiki |
| 15:10 | <sret> | i think its the debian wiki |
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| 15:11 | <sret> | i really dont need it either but people tihnk linux cant be all eyecandy, this is just to put them into dropjaw mode |
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| 15:39 | <sret> | just wondering |
| 15:40 | <sret> | i needed to download a tar file |
| 15:40 | <sret> | to |
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| 15:40 | <sret> | /usr/share/frl/lice/ |
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| 15:40 | <sret> | so i did a wget -O http:/../filename.tar.gz |
| 15:41 | <sret> | it says it is a directory |
| 15:41 | <sret> | whats wrong here |
| 15:41 | <child> | configured a server, and did a test with a windows machine that works fine, but not a Linux share internet, ping outside the network responds not .. what could it be? |
| 15:41 | <sret> | if i try to extract it manually using the archive manager it says no such file or dirc |
| 15:42 | <dvs> | sret: -O names the output file but what is the input file? |
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| 15:42 | <ml|> | sret: try/use use cd /diretory/foo && wget ... |
| 15:42 | <sret> | why do i needto cd it/ |
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| 15:43 | <ml|> | without the -O |
| 15:43 | <sret> | cd /usr/share/frl/lice/ |
| 15:43 | <sret> | and then wget http? |
| 15:43 | <ml|> | yes |
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| 15:44 | <dvs> | sret: wget -O /usr/share/frl/lice/filename.tar.gz http://../filename.tar.gz |
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| 15:46 | <sret> | i got the wget part |
| 15:46 | <sret> | ahh |
| 15:46 | <sret> | ok thanks |
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| 15:46 | <sret> | filename. should be mentioned in /lice/ |
| 15:46 | <sret> | ok |
| 15:46 | <sret> | thanks |
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| 15:58 | <sret> | if you dont give the -C option to untar what happens |
| 15:58 | <sret> | where does it untar to |
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| 15:58 | <dvs> | sret: the current directory |
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| 15:59 | <sret> | ok to untar its tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz |
| 15:59 | <sret> | i get an error |
| 15:59 | <sret> | says cannot open no such file or dir |
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| 16:00 | <sret> | error is not recoverable, child returned status 2 |
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| 16:00 | <jester45> | that was an example, you need to replace filename with the real name |
| 16:00 | <sret> | and i did |
| 16:01 | <sret> | and i get an error |
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| 16:01 | <sret> | i have the file downloaded to the desired folder |
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| 16:01 | <sret> | but when i try to untar it using tar |
| 16:01 | <sret> | i get that error |
| 16:01 | <dvs> | and "filename.tar.gz" is in the current directory? |
| 16:01 | <sret> | yes |
| 16:01 | <jester45> | well your giving it the wrong filename if tar can not find it |
| 16:02 | <sret> | i copied it and pasted it to untar it |
| 16:02 | <sret> | still nothing |
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| 16:02 | <sret> | and im root |
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| 16:04 | <sret> | any ideas |
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| 16:05 | * | dvs still think that the wrong filename is specified. |
| 16:05 | <sret> | ha |
| 16:05 | <sret> | i need to specify the entire parth |
| 16:05 | <sret> | path |
| 16:06 | <sret> | not just the tar filename |
| 16:06 | <sret> | it expects me to do tar -zxvf /usr/share/bla/filename.tar.gz |
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| 16:11 | <sret> | ok weird, i extracted it and in my terminal i see the files extracted |
| 16:11 | <sret> | but if i go to the dir i dont see it extracted there |
| 16:12 | <babilen> | sret: I am sure that you could also specify a relative path or (if the tar is in your cwd (current working directory)) just the filename (optionally prefixed with ./) |
| 16:12 | <babilen> | sret: Show us → http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:12 | <sret> | pl |
| 16:12 | <sret> | ok |
| 16:14 | <sret> | http://paste.debian.net/104569 |
| 16:15 | <babilen> | sret: And "ls .irc/wolf/" does not show you the files? |
| 16:16 | <sret> | yes it does |
| 16:16 | <babilen> | so, what is the problem then? |
| 16:16 | <sret> | i dont see it the directory |
| 16:16 | <sret> | if its extracted shouldnt the files be there in the directory |
| 16:17 | <sret> | in the terminal it shows it but not in the directory if i go to ../lice/ |
| 16:18 | <nadir> | cause it is hidden? with a leading dot? in that case "ls .irc " or "ls -ahl" |
| 16:18 | <dvs> | sret: pwd |
| 16:18 | <babilen> | in which directory? you unpacked it to your CWD -- use "-C" if you want to change dirs or just go whereever you want to extract it |
| 16:19 | <sret> | the current dirc is /lice/ |
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| 16:19 | <sret> | its not in there if open it |
| 16:19 | <sret> | all i see is the tar.gz file |
| 16:19 | <dvs> | sret: ls -Al |
| 16:19 | <sret> | if its hidden, shouldnt it come up when i check "show hidden files" whihc i did and it didnt show up |
| 16:20 | <sret> | dvs: ok see a bunch of files with a . |
| 16:20 | <sret> | oh |
| 16:20 | <sret> | .irc? |
| 16:20 | <dvs> | hope so |
| 16:21 | <sret> | meaning hidden and even if i check show hidden files it wont show it? |
| 16:21 | <dvs> | I have no idea what you're "checking" |
| 16:21 | <sret> | i did a ls -Aq |
| 16:21 | <sret> | A1 |
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| 16:21 | <sret> | and i get a bunch of .files |
| 16:21 | <babilen> | !enter |
| 16:21 | <dpkg> | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:22 | <babilen> | sret: Please ^^^^ |
| 16:22 | <sret> | .gnome, .irc, .synaptic, .profile etc etc |
| 16:22 | <sret> | babilen: ok |
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| 16:49 | <msanger> | ubuntu |
| 16:50 | <dsm> | hello |
| 16:50 | <msanger> | hi |
| 16:50 | <amphi> | strange greeting |
| 16:50 | <dsm> | I am having issues with the debian installer |
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| 16:50 | <dsm> | It does not appear to support XTS mode on install |
| 16:51 | <dsm> | Can anyone tell me: does Debian plan to add this feature to the installer ? I cannot install it alongside my arch encrypted LVM |
| 16:53 | <dsm> | anyone ? |
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| 17:00 | <kop> | dsm You could file a bug report or ask in #debian-boot. |
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| 17:03 | <Osiris_X> | how do I find which package a file belongs to? |
| 17:04 | <ansgar> | Osiris_X: dpkg -S for installed packages, apt-file otherwise. |
| 17:04 | <Osiris_X> | ansgar, thanks |
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| 17:07 | <ikarus_> | HI |
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| 17:12 | <sret> | iceweasel crashed first time |
| 17:12 | <sret> | just hung |
| 17:12 | <retrospectacus> | pr0n? |
| 17:12 | <sret> | no way |
| 17:13 | <sret> | it was some script i had to download |
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| 17:13 | <retrospectacus> | yeah "you have to download this EXE player to view the movies"... ;) |
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| 17:14 | <sret> | lo;l |
| 17:14 | <sret> | i waited |
| 17:14 | <sret> | and it came back up |
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| 18:08 | <BlueG> | It seems that a php script on my system can read the document root directory, but no subdirectories. They have the same ownership and permissions, so what is restricting php to reading /var/www/site, but not /var/www/site/subdir? |
| 18:10 | <retrospectacus> | what does the log say? Are there any symbolic links involved? |
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| 18:14 | <BlueG> | PHP Warning: readdir() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /var/www/rak3.ath.cx/recurse.php on line 6 |
| 18:15 | <BlueG> | no symlinks |
| 18:15 | <BlueG> | it is a boolean because opendir returns false when it can't open a dir |
| 18:15 | <BlueG> | I think |
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| 18:17 | <retrospectacus> | print the input of opendir() before trying it |
| 18:17 | <chealer> | BlueG: did you ask ##php? |
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| 18:18 | <themill> | also enable display (or logging) of warnings from php |
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| 18:18 | <BlueG> | nope |
| 18:20 | <themill> | chealer, BlueG: ##php is on freenode (there's a fairly small #php here) |
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| 18:42 | <smv> | has anyone used horde before? while looking at the debian packages that add different modules to horde, i see that some recommend sqlite, while others mysql or pgsql. considering that i'd like to have them all use a single db, which one should i use? is it posible to use a single db engine? is there any special reason, related to horde itself, to use one db engine over the other? |
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| 18:44 | <retrospectacus> | horde the webmail client? |
| 18:46 | <retrospectacus> | you can pick what backend to use. |
| 18:52 | <smv> | i know that, but which one should i pick? :) |
| 18:53 | <retrospectacus> | if you don't know, then I don't know why you would want to install horde. Are you planning to run a mail server? |
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| 18:55 | <retrospectacus> | or are you just installing packages you like the name of |
| 18:58 | <smv> | building a mailserver. i already have kolab and horde is working good, except some modules that need a separate db. |
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| 18:59 | <retrospectacus> | I have horde on my mail server using mysql but it doesn't have any addons |
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| 19:01 | <dj3mb3> | hi to everybody |
| 19:02 | <dj3mb3> | sry, I have a problem with openvpn server TLS auth configuration |
| 19:02 | <dj3mb3> | the client fail the handshake |
| 19:02 | <dj3mb3> | someony can help me? |
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| 19:27 | <nardev> | where are source files stored when i get them from repository? |
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| 19:36 | <amphi> | nardev: in a directory named like the package, in the current directory |
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| 19:38 | <retrospectacus> | nardev: you don't get the source when you install something normally. If you want the source, run apt-get source <packagename> |
| 19:38 | <nardev> | http://paste.debian.net/104585/ |
| 19:38 | <retrospectacus> | this can be done as a normal user. The source will be downloaded to . |
| 19:38 | <nardev> | well i choose source package |
| 19:38 | <nardev> | from synaptic package manager |
| 19:39 | <cthuluh> | nardev: see /usr/src/ |
| 19:39 | <nardev> | cthuluh, no... |
| 19:39 | <nardev> | no logic btw.. |
| 19:40 | <cthuluh> | updatedb; locate qc-usb-source |
| 19:40 | <nardev> | did it and here is result |
| 19:40 | <nardev> | http://paste.debian.net/104585/ |
| 19:40 | <nardev> | but i don't recognize source for it |
| 19:41 | <cthuluh> | nardev: I just did aptitude install qc-usb-source. check again in /usr/src/ |
| 19:42 | <nardev> | kk |
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| 19:42 | <nardev> | ou |
| 19:42 | <nardev> | i see |
| 19:42 | <nardev> | now it got it |
| 19:43 | <nardev> | but it's packed |
| 19:43 | <nardev> | i expected source code to be |
| 19:43 | <nardev> | in folder |
| 19:43 | <nardev> | unpacked |
| 19:43 | <amphi> | apt-get source foo will put the unpacked source in ./foo |
| 19:43 | <retrospectacus> | nardev: please, just a space to separate words, not Enter.. |
| 19:43 | <nardev> | i was just tryuing this now |
| 19:43 | <nardev> | thank you |
| 19:44 | <nardev> | retrospectacus, ok, i'm sorry i'm not very used to this way of communication.. i'm sorry i'll try to get used to |
| 19:45 | <retrospectacus> | long sentences promote clarity of thought. Thanks :) |
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| 19:47 | <amphi> | like long nicks? ;) |
| 19:47 | <retrospectacus> | exactly |
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| 19:54 | <nardev> | what is the name of debian dummy package which purpose is to educate new DD-s and used as example how to package? |
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| 19:59 | <retrospectacus> | nardev: possibly maint-guide |
| 20:00 | <nardev> | ou yea |
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| 20:00 | <nardev> | retrospectacus, thank you |
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| 20:06 | <retrospectacus> | np |
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| 20:48 | <taylorjonl> | Any OpenSSL specialists active? |
| 20:49 | <roberto> | hay alguien aqui? |
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| 20:51 | <roberto> | any was install linux mint debian ? |
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| 20:56 | <helix> | taylorjonl: what is your question |
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| 21:03 | <DaveJaffe> | Hello |
| 21:03 | <DaveJaffe> | world |
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| 21:29 | <taylorjonl> | Helix: You still around? |
| 21:29 | <helix> | yes |
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| 21:29 | <taylorjonl> | I posted the following that explains my problem: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=59240 |
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| 21:30 | <taylorjonl> | I can't seem to figure out how to get OpenSSL to trust my certificate |
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| 21:35 | <taylorjonl> | From the error "unable to get local issuer certificate" I am assuming that it can't find my CA cert(issuer) but AFAIK I have placed this cert in the correct place and followed the correct steps to make it available. |
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| 21:47 | <kop> | taylorjonl: FWIW, I find that mailing lists get better results than forums. Who wants to have to keep going back to look for answers? |
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| 21:50 | <taylorjonl> | I may send it to the mailing lists later tonight, at a hot spot on my laptop, was just hoping for a fast reply, sorta stuck on this issue before I can proceed with the rest of my home setup. |
| 21:50 | <kop> | taylorjonl: What do the logs say? |
| 21:51 | <taylorjonl> | Not sure what logs to check, all the pages I see don't mention logs I can check. |
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| 21:53 | <kop> | taylorjonl: It'd be the web logs. Did you restart the daemon? |
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| 21:54 | <taylorjonl> | Well, the daemon would be on the windows side I think, or does OpenSSL use a daemon to do client side stuff? |
| 21:55 | <kop> | taylorjonl: Yes, the server side would probaly need restarting. (If it's windows it may need rebooting.) |
| 21:55 | <taylorjonl> | I haven't changed anything on that side though |
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| 21:57 | <kop> | taylorjonl: It knows about the cert? |
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| 21:58 | <taylorjonl> | It should, the certificate signing request was submitted to it and it issued my certificate. I will restart that system but I don't think it should require a restart or every client auto-enrollment would cause issues. |
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| 21:58 | <bluenemo> | i got my router working with passwordless login via authorized_keys. now i want root to have no more password at all. passwd root and giving no password doesnt work :( how can i disable the root password? |
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| 21:59 | <kop> | taylorjonl: You are thinking this through more than me. |
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| 22:01 | <kop> | bluenemo: Historically you put a ! in front of the password hash in /etc/shadow. There's some utility that does this, I forget. |
| 22:01 | <bluenemo> | kop, thanks. is it ok if i do this by hand? |
| 22:01 | <taylorjonl> | http://www.techrecipes.net/application/ssh/disable-password-authentication? |
| 22:02 | <bluenemo> | kop, this user has no password @ my router: nfsuser:*:14938:0:99999:7::: |
| 22:02 | <taylorjonl> | won't help local but ssh it will disable password auth |
| 22:02 | <kop> | bluenemo: These days there's probably a way to tell pam to dis-allow root passwords. |
| 22:03 | <bluenemo> | taylorjonl, kop, ok thx for the info i'll play around a little with the info provided |
| 22:03 | <kop> | bluenemo: Yes. But use vigr -s |
| 22:03 | <kop> | bluenemo: (just to be paranoid, it's not really necessary) See also EDITOR env var or update-alternatives. |
| 22:04 | <bluenemo> | kop i'll do that thank you |
| 22:04 | <kop> | bluenemo: oops, that's vipw -s |
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| 22:05 | <bluenemo> | kop, in man they are both listed for man vigr, do they do the same? |
| 22:06 | <kop> | bluenemo: One does /etc/passwd, the other /etc/group (or shadow equivalients) |
| 22:08 | <bluenemo> | kop, ah ok i c :) |
| 22:09 | <bluenemo> | hm whats the difference between using vipr and just a normal editor? vipr so far just opens the file with the $EDITOR editor.. |
| 22:09 | <kop> | bluenemo: There's a lockfile made (for historical reasons) beginning with a - I think. |
| 22:10 | <bluenemo> | ah ok.. dam it it opend vi.. xD i'm into nano how do i close vi without saving? i made a misstake.. |
| 22:11 | <kop> | bluenemo: escape key, then !q (run update-alternatives to avoid vi. I'm an emacs man myself.) |
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| 22:11 | <bluenemo> | :) |
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| 22:11 | <pabs> | !it |
| 22:11 | <dpkg> | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:11 | <bluenemo> | hm wont quit uargh i hate it :( i'll go kill it :) |
| 22:12 | <kop> | bluenemo: q! ?? |
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| 22:13 | <bluenemo> | oh q!.. you wrote !q.. i was wondering :) sorry dont know a thing about vi, always liked to keep it simple (with nano). now its dead ;) |
| 22:13 | <kop> | bluenemo: pico? |
| 22:13 | <bluenemo> | hm didnt try that one, i'll look into it later |
| 22:14 | <taylorjonl> | well, logging off, heading home |
| 22:14 | <taylorjonl> | thanks for chatting |
| 22:14 | <bluenemo> | hehe this works: bluenemo:*:14718:0:99999:7::: |
| 22:14 | <kop> | bluenemo: Like nano. Not worth it. Emacs is easy, you type, it works. Just remember control x followed by control c to exit -- it'll prompt for changes. |
| 22:14 | <bluenemo> | its just giving a * instead of the password |
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| 22:15 | <bluenemo> | yeah nano :) its an old habbit.. but you're right i'd propably should change to sth more professional by now.. |
| 22:15 | <bluenemo> | emacs shure has colors for sh scripts? |
| 22:16 | <kop> | bluenemo: I guess the other is control g (I goofed, stop doing whatever you're doing and put me back where I belong.) |
| 22:16 | <kop> | bluenemo: Sure. And lots of modes for programming languages. I turn colors off. I find them distracting. |
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| 22:17 | <bluenemo> | oh ok i find them quite helpfull.. but i'm not that experienced so far i prefer sh scripts for most stuff and am now into learning ruby.. |
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| 22:19 | <kop> | bluenemo: If you're into learning programming there's nothing quite like http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ |
| 22:19 | <kop> | bluenemo: (free on-line) |
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| 22:21 | <bluenemo> | kop thats not for a specific language, is it? |
| 22:21 | <kop> | bluenemo: It has examples in a specific language. Read the preface. |
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| 22:22 | <bluenemo> | kop i'll do that thx for the link |
| 22:23 | <kop> | bluenemo: You will want guile & see http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/docs/faq/guile-faq.html#How-do-I-make-foo_002escm-into-an-executable-script_003f |
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| 22:25 | <bluenemo> | kop sounds interesting i'll look into that later |
| 22:26 | <bluenemo> | actually its 4.30 am and i just wanted to fix my router as the dam modem hungup for some reason :) |
| 22:26 | <bluenemo> | now as i was done i thought oh wth go and finally fix the ssh issue :) |
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| 22:27 | <kop> | bluenemo: Save the link with the wizard book link. Otherwise it's a pain to figure out. |
| 22:27 | <bluenemo> | kop, i already bookmarked all of your links :) |
| 22:29 | <bluenemo> | hm when i now am root on my notebook and login @ my router it doesnt ask for a pw, however /root/.ssh/ has no id_rsa.pub.. how the heck is that possible? |
| 22:30 | <bluenemo> | only /home/bluenemo/.ssh has a id_rsa.pub which stands in routers root's authorized keys.. |
| 22:30 | <bluenemo> | does root use all keys from the users below him?? |
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| 22:36 | <bluenemo> | kop, is this behaviour normal? |
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| 22:36 | <kop> | bluenemo: No. |
| 22:37 | <kop> | bluenemo: I always set PermitRootLogin=forcedcommandsonly |
| 22:38 | <bluenemo> | kop, whats that option for? |
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| 22:39 | <bluenemo> | i dont get it.. there's now one authorized key in authorized_keys, which is bluenemo's, not roots.. what the heck.. |
| 22:41 | <kop> | bluenemo: sshd |
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| 22:42 | <bluenemo> | kop i now that :) i meant what does it accomplish writing it into sshd_config? |
| 22:42 | <bluenemo> | whats a forced command? |
| 22:42 | <kop> | bluenemo: You may have allowed anyone to login as root without a password. |
| 22:42 | <bluenemo> | no that doesnt work.. i tried with a vm and it wont work |
| 22:43 | <kop> | bluenemo: It's where you must have a key to get in and then you can only run a specific command. It's part of the authorized_keys syntax. |
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| 22:44 | <bluenemo> | ah ok key only sounds nice. but what do you mean by only specific command? |
| 22:45 | <kop> | bluenemo: See usermod -L (finally found it.) |
| 22:46 | <jthill> | hi, has anyone managed to get dwarf fortress working on amd64? I've been at it for about fifteen minutes now trying to get the sound working -- everything else I can make work -- but I'm just getting tired of the slog and hoping someone else can just hand it to me, like candy or the keys to a new pony |
| 22:46 | <kop> | bluenemo: No password prompt, nothing. It might be doing reverse dns and waiting for timeouts.... |
| 22:47 | <kop> | jthill: Does sound work otherwise? |
| 22:47 | <jthill> | yep, works a treat |
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| 22:48 | <jthill> | but ever since I installed squeeze I've been unable to play the piano |
| 22:49 | <bluenemo> | jthill, there is a piano for debian..? |
| 22:50 | <jthill> | well, I couldn't play the piano before installing it either, but I had my hopes. |
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| 22:50 | * | abrotman wonders if there is a piano emulator that would use the keyboard .. |
| 22:50 | <kop> | bluenemo: Better to send icmp unreachable. Black holes are a sure sign there's a host there. |
| 22:50 | <abrotman> | though .. i guess kind of short on keys |
| 22:50 | * | bluenemo is wondering about that as well :) |
| 22:51 | <jthill> | oughtta be easy to wire the keyboard to timidity or play or something |
| 22:51 | <bluenemo> | kop good to know thank you |
| 22:51 | <kop> | bluenemo: I had ferm recommended to me for firewalling. It sounds good. |
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| 22:52 | <bluenemo> | i'll add that to the links you supplyed, thank you. but i was just getting do understand iptables :) one can write a book about that program :) |
| 22:53 | <holstein> | yoshimi has a virtual keyboard abrotman :) |
| 22:53 | <holstein> | not great piano sounds though |
| 22:53 | <bluenemo> | lol |
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| 22:54 | <abrotman> | i meant with a regular keyboard |
| 22:54 | <kop> | bluenemo: iptalbles sucks. pf is nice but is not really on linux. So iptables needs a layer on top. "aptitude show ferm" Shorewall is ok, but I feel like it's not easy to read and there may be less control. |
| 22:54 | <abrotman> | you'd only get 1.5octaves i suppose .. not mcuh of an emulator |
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| 22:55 | <holstein> | qwerty you mean right? |
| 22:55 | <kop> | bluenemo: That is, shorewall gives no way to see the whole picture-ish. |
| 22:56 | <abrotman> | holstein: home row, row above for sharp/flat .. not many keys to use |
| 22:56 | <bluenemo> | kop, ok thx for the tip i'll look into that after sleeping :) |
| 22:56 | <kop> | abrotman: That's what usb hubs are for. Plug in lots of keyboards! |
| 22:56 | <holstein> | starts around |
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| 22:56 | <holstein> | and has a 2nd row |
| 22:56 | <jthill> | never looked at rosegarden or JACK or anything, but the high-end audio dudes get very annoyed when anybody messes with their realtime scheduling |
| 22:56 | <holstein> | starting at q |
| 22:56 | <jthill> | so I'm guessing you can wire just about any musical equipment that exists to linux somehow or another |
| 22:56 | <holstein> | i use JACK often |
| 22:57 | <holstein> | pretty much ;) |
| 22:59 | <jthill> | someone made a comment that there's no reason for any but high-end pros to use it, but I have to wonder why, since anyone doing audio work is plainly not running a server, just using JACK and being done with it is bad? does it noticeably hurt responsiveness in other ways or something? It's gotta be at least as flexible as pulse |
| 23:00 | <holstein> | pulse wont do what i need |
| 23:00 | <holstein> | its about connectivity for me really |
| 23:00 | <jthill> | and btw ever since I broke down and hunted down enough doc to configure pulse I've become something of a fan, I don't understand the pulse hatred among us ordinary mortals |
| 23:01 | <holstein> | im not a pulse hater though |
| 23:01 | <holstein> | its just different |
| 23:01 | <holstein> | IF you're not doing realtime effects, or playing software synths live |
| 23:01 | <holstein> | you dont need crasy low-latency |
| 23:01 | <holstein> | crazy* |
| 23:01 | <jthill> | no, didn't mean you, but you must have seen the controversy swirling. anyhoo, |
| 23:02 | <holstein> | ALL the time ;) |
| 23:02 | <jthill> | I guess what I'm wondering is how overkill on capability is bad? Is it just a stone-cold bastard to configure? |
| 23:02 | <kop> | All I know is that if you want sound before you login via gdm you need pulse. But it does not work anyway (in lenny) so I just have no sound at all. :) |
| 23:02 | <holstein> | jthill: its challenging |
| 23:02 | <holstein> | to get it running i think |
| 23:02 | <holstein> | first time |
| 23:03 | <holstein> | after that, it just does what it does |
| 23:03 | <holstein> | you can start and stop it with the GUI |
| 23:03 | <holstein> | jack control |
| 23:04 | <holstein> | the deal is, i can take a live source like a guitar or mic |
| 23:04 | <holstein> | route that through JACK |
| 23:04 | <holstein> | to software |
| 23:04 | <holstein> | like real-time effects |
| 23:04 | <holstein> | send that to whatever |
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| 23:04 | <holstein> | ardour to record |
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| 23:04 | <holstein> | darkice to stream on the internet |
| 23:04 | <holstein> | or to other effects |
| 23:05 | <holstein> | the possibilities are vast |
| 23:05 | <holstein> | but a bit of a learning curve |
| 23:05 | <holstein> | handy though |
| 23:05 | <jthill> | do ordinary programs just not even know it's there or fail with it active? No sound from my favorite dumb games or something? |
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| 23:06 | <holstein> | jthill: depends |
| 23:06 | <jthill> | ewwww. |
| 23:06 | <holstein> | for me, i have a production box |
| 23:06 | <jthill> | I hate that word |
| 23:06 | <jthill> | 'cept in dpkg |
| 23:06 | <holstein> | and i dont really want youtube or whatever going through JACK |
| 23:06 | <holstein> | or games or whatever |
| 23:06 | <holstein> | thats not really what you would do with JACK |
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| 23:06 | <holstein> | start it up in the morning |
| 23:06 | <holstein> | and do your thing for the day |
| 23:07 | <holstein> | you would start it up to record something, or do some audio work |
| 23:07 | <holstein> | there are some interesting projects going on though |
| 23:07 | <holstein> | to bridge pulse and JACK |
| 23:07 | <holstein> | jack-pulse |
| 23:07 | <jthill> | so plugging in any instrument you can imagine and getting ultra-high-quality audio out is what jack does best, plus any kind of transform/edit you want |
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| 23:08 | <jthill> | but wiring a program's sound output, not? |
| 23:08 | <holstein> | pulse-jack ?? |
| 23:08 | <holstein> | i forget which it is |
| 23:08 | <jthill> | ah. there is one then? |
| 23:08 | <holstein> | yup |
| 23:08 | <jthill> | (obviously) |
| 23:08 | <holstein> | works well |
| 23:08 | <holstein> | needs some work |
| 23:08 | <holstein> | jthill: you can route programs sound out |
| 23:08 | <holstein> | physical inputs |
| 23:08 | <holstein> | whatever |
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| 23:09 | <jthill> | because nobody but nobody ships RT-enabled desktop distros |
| 23:09 | <holstein> | "JACK aware" apps |
| 23:09 | <jthill> | I've never understood why most of them ship desktops with HZ set to 250 |
| 23:09 | <holstein> | an app that supports JACK will just present itself to JACK |
| 23:09 | <holstein> | its outputs and/or inputs |
| 23:09 | <holstein> | and you can route as you please |
| 23:10 | <holstein> | this would not typically be a web browser |
| 23:10 | <holstein> | or the audio from a game |
| 23:10 | <holstein> | BUT pulse will show up now |
| 23:10 | <holstein> | and you can route pulse out to JACK |
| 23:10 | <jthill> | Frozen Bubble -> pulse-jack -> jack -> my logitech speakers |
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| 23:10 | <holstein> | jthill: for example |
| 23:10 | <holstein> | :) |
| 23:11 | <holstein> | not that you would want to do that |
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| 23:11 | <holstein> | its just overkill |
| 23:11 | <holstein> | and the end result is the same as alsa or pulse |
| 23:11 | <holstein> | so why bother |
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| 23:11 | <jthill> | stretching the meaning of 'overkill', I can see that, but why, if you've got JACK available, would you want to go to the trouble of configuring that and something else? |
| 23:11 | <XayOn> | Talking about sound servers but on a different scope. I need to route the sound of the soundcard from my linux server to a linux client, and the input of the mic of the linux client to the linux server. I played a bit with pulse, but looks like almost impossible, also, server has no xorg and so on. Would love to do it without pulse. I know pulse is a drop in from esound but I've tough on using esd. |
| 23:11 | <holstein> | UNLESS, you wanted to put guitar effects on frozen bubble |
| 23:11 | <XayOn> | The only problem is getting the mic input to the mic input on the other machine. |
| 23:12 | <holstein> | and stream it on an icecast server |
| 23:12 | <holstein> | while recording it and you singing into ardour |
| 23:12 | <jthill> | parec -d alsa_output.pci-0000_00_14.5.analog-stereo.monitor | sox -t raw -r 44k -sLb 16 -c 2 - test.recording.flac |
| 23:12 | <jthill> | just to give a sample of what you can do with pulse |
| 23:12 | <jthill> | don't really need X |
| 23:13 | <holstein> | ive been wanting to check out pulse networking |
| 23:13 | <jthill> | I use that to record off net streams |
| 23:13 | <holstein> | JACK is plenty to take on |
| 23:14 | <holstein> | XayOn: now sure i see the goal of the project |
| 23:14 | <holstein> | but you should check out netjack and/or jacktrip |
| 23:14 | <XayOn> | holstein: ? |
| 23:14 | <holstein> | see if those would do what your looking for |
| 23:14 | <XayOn> | the goal of the project? |
| 23:14 | <holstein> | route the sound of the soundcard from my linux server to a linux client |
| 23:15 | <holstein> | ^^ |
| 23:15 | <XayOn> | Oh, well, the goal of it is actually skype =D |
| 23:15 | <holstein> | AH |
| 23:15 | <XayOn> | I made an irssi plugin to manage skype (running in a virtual X server with xvfb) |
| 23:15 | <XayOn> | =P |
| 23:15 | <jthill> | what, skype through the office firewall? |
| 23:15 | <holstein> | nice |
| 23:16 | <jthill> | ignore me, sorry |
| 23:16 | <XayOn> | jthill: Dunno, if you manage to get the sound networked trough your office firewall... I'm still trying to do it on my local net xD |
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| 23:16 | <jthill> | well, let's see. |
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| 23:17 | <holstein> | jthill: are you a music student? |
| 23:17 | <XayOn> | I've tough on expanding the plugin by implementing a speech syntetizer like festival. |
| 23:17 | <jthill> | no |
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| 23:19 | <XayOn> | no? Oh, I liked that idea... xD |
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| 23:25 | <jthill> | XayOn: I just clickied padevchooser's RTSP-server checkbox and pactl list now shows I have an RTSP server up. You can tell pactl what server to connect to. I have not tried more than I just said, but it looks to me like pulse is built to do almost exactly what you're attempting |
| 23:25 | <XayOn> | jthill: Maybe, but it's hard to configure, I managed to get esound a few years ago working with less effort xD |
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| 23:35 | <virginia> | hi good night i'm from nicaragua and i'm new at debian so i want to configure my inalambric card can you help me? |
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| 23:36 | <sney> | inalambric? |
| 23:37 | <XayOn> | virginia: /join #debian-es |
| 23:37 | <XayOn> | and by inalambric se means wifi. |
| 23:37 | <virginia> | yes |
| 23:38 | <XayOn> | virginia: wich desktop do you have? also, check what card you have with "lspci" or "lsusb" depending on if it's integrated or usb |
| 23:38 | <virginia> | sorry my english is not complete |
| 23:38 | <virginia> | gnome |
| 23:38 | <virginia> | wait |
| 23:38 | <XayOn> | virginia: come to debian-es, We'll talk in spanish there |
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| 23:40 | <virginia> | i dont know how sorry |
| 23:41 | <XayOn> | virginia: just write /join #debian-es |
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| 23:42 | <virginia> | i'm there |
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| 23:55 | <Dark0n3> | Hi guys, this should be a simple question, but i can't seem to find the answer, is it possible to run programs off a nfs share, something tells me it is, but no luck when trying :) |
| 23:56 | <James0> | DarkOn3: run mount in a shell, is the nfs mounted with noexec? |
| 23:56 | <Dark0n3> | James0: nfs is mounted on /nfs, and not with noexec |
| 23:57 | <Dark0n3> | But all my programs are complaining about missing libs |
| 23:58 | <Dark0n3> | Lets just take python as an example, it has to run from the nfs share, but its not so easy |
| 23:59 | <James0> | if you are trying to host a complete filesystem from another machine, that might cause all kinds of issues. |
| --- | Log | closed Fri Jan 14 00:00:10 2011 |
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