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| 00:09 | <rigved> | farixx: you should try out ubuntu. |
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| 01:03 | <zyxware01> | my text install of squeeze failed due to some libc6 package not being recognised package :O I was using testing from yesterdays |
| 01:06 | <zyxware01> | I went on a expert install mode , maybe I should have sticked to normal nstall where it prompts less questions |
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| 01:10 | <zyxware01> | The exact error is " grub-pc package failed to install into /tagrget/ without bootloader you cant boot |
| 01:10 | <zyxware01> | well I understood the last statement but didnt understand why everything ran nicely and grub had to fail :( |
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| 01:13 | <zyxware01> | Just now checked /var/log/syslog it said that it was unable to find or install 'grub-pc' ohh why wasn't it available in the CD1 of debian ? |
| 01:13 | <zyxware01> | BTW I didn't configure network mirror |
| 01:14 | <kop> | zyxware01: If you had maybe it would have gotten the package. |
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| 01:15 | <zyxware01> | kop, even for grub legacy it said in logs that grub has not installation candidate |
| 01:16 | <zyxware01> | should I try with network enabled? |
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| 01:44 | <zyxware01> | My grub install failed |
| 01:44 | <zyxware01> | I installed debian without grub |
| 01:44 | <zyxware01> | Now what do I do ? |
| 01:44 | <Sparq__> | reinstall |
| 01:45 | <zyxware01> | Sparq__, are you a newbie :P |
| 01:45 | <Sparq__> | lol yeah I'm joking |
| 01:46 | <Sparq__> | No clue on how to really fix that |
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| 01:46 | <zyxware01> | I am planning to boot via live cd and chroot into debian |
| 01:46 | <zyxware01> | then install the proper package in it |
| 01:50 | <Sparq__> | is grub a package? |
| 01:50 | <Sparq__> | I thought it was more of lower level thing than a program inside of the distro itself |
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| 01:58 | <zyxware01> | Sparq__, yes it is :D |
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| 02:34 | <zyxware01> | Sparq__, I succesfully booted to live cd mounted and chrooted to / of deb install and also binded /dev and /proc to it . After that I added repo and simply installed grub . everything was smooth |
| 02:34 | <zyxware01> | now I am booted to squeeze :D |
| 02:35 | <Sparq__> | sweet |
| 02:35 | <zyxware01> | BTW apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment is simply installing lot of X for different cards , why i sthat ? |
| 02:35 | <Sparq__> | what? |
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| 02:37 | <jm_> | because it probably depends on xorg or xserver-xorg |
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| 02:39 | <zyxware01> | jm_, Yeah it does . unnecessary dependency . It takes all recommended packages .. I remember something to disable --not-recommended or som flag |
| 02:39 | <zyxware01> | whats that ? |
| 02:40 | <jm_> | zyxware01: if developers did that, then people who expect gnome to install everything for X would complain :) |
| 02:40 | <jm_> | it's not a recommends field, it's a real dependency |
| 02:41 | <jm_> | anyway, aptitude why might tell you why it's installed |
| 02:42 | <zyxware01> | ok hmm :) |
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| 03:01 | <craig> | Hello All. I am having a system time issue. It appears that the system time is moving too fast. But, when I execute "hwclock --show" the time appears to decently close to actual time. |
| 03:02 | <blarson> | craig: If you have a good internet connection, install ntp |
| 03:02 | <craig> | I have setup ntp to monitor 3 local time servers |
| 03:02 | <craig> | and ntpq -p recognises the ofset is massive |
| 03:02 | <craig> | offset* |
| 03:02 | <craig> | for all 3 servers |
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| 03:05 | <craig> | I cannont be 100% sure it is setup perfectly. From default install of ntp and ntpdate. I modifed the /etc/ntp.conf to include my 3 servers and not the default ones. and modified the /etc/default/ntpdate.conf to use only the same servers aswell |
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| 03:07 | <craig> | does anyone know the command to force ntp to synchronize? |
| 03:09 | <jm_> | use ntpdate for that |
| 03:10 | <jm_> | ntpdate-debian to be exact |
| 03:13 | <craig> | OK ntpdate-debian seemed to correct the offset and correct the time displayed for the date command |
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| 03:15 | <craig> | and after fiddling arround with the gnome panel clock app (switch time zone to a random one and then back) it seemed to display the correct time. But, now when i run ntpdate-debian it says: "2 Nov 03:16:09 ntpdate[19615]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting" |
| 03:16 | <craig> | What does that mean |
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| 03:26 | <Zaba> | craig, it means ntpd is running, probably |
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| 03:30 | <craig> | right, as of now my system time as given by date is already 3 mins. faster than what it should even after a sucessful sync using ntpdate-debain |
| 03:31 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: check the output of adjtimex -p; and make sure that it makes sense |
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| 03:32 | <jm_> | you might also consider trying different clocksource kernel options |
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| 03:33 | <craig> | waiting for it to install. on a side note, I have overclocked my proc using the tools in the bios during boot |
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| 03:34 | <dondelelcaro> | that really shouldn't matter, because the clock is separate |
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| 03:35 | <craig> | That's what i figured. during install it said: Comparing clocks (this will take 70 sec)...done. |
| 03:35 | <craig> | Adjusting system time by -7883.5 sec/day to agree with CMOS clock...done. |
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| 03:36 | <craig> | and the results of adjtimex -p are: |
| 03:36 | <craig> | mode: 0 offset: 0 frequency: 3658675 maxerror: 748016 esterror: 16 status: 64time_constant: 4 precision: 1 tolerance: 32768000 tick: 9087 raw time: 1288683380s 426377us = 1288683380.426377 |
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| 03:39 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: ok, now restart ntp, and things should be slightly better |
| 03:39 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: though that's a *huge* tick adjustment |
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| 03:42 | <craig> | the time is off by about 3 mins. |
| 03:42 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: even after restarting ntp? |
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| 03:43 | <craig> | ya /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 03:44 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: ok, stop ntpd, and run ntpd -qgn; and check the clock immediately afterwards |
| 03:45 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: if it's not within a second immediately afterwads, there is a problem |
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| 03:46 | <craig> | ntpd -qgn; date |
| 03:46 | <craig> | ntpd: time set -131.948611s |
| 03:46 | <craig> | Tue Nov 2 03:45:38 EDT 2010 |
| 03:46 | <grateremo> | hello |
| 03:46 | <craig> | is about a min late |
| 03:46 | <craig> | i mean a min fast |
| 03:46 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: that's actually about right |
| 03:46 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: whatever clock you're comparing it to is wrong |
| 03:46 | <craig> | nevermind sorry ... yes... a min late |
| 03:47 | <dondelelcaro> | Tue Nov 2 07:47:06 UTC 2010 |
| 03:47 | <dondelelcaro> | that's the right time |
| 03:47 | <craig> | ok |
| 03:47 | <craig> | do you believe it will stay in sync |
| 03:47 | <craig> | ? |
| 03:47 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: if you now start ntpd, it should, yes. |
| 03:47 | <craig> | and or what was the issue |
| 03:48 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: the issue is that your tick was way wrong, so it exceeded the threshold of ntp, which causes ntp to stop trying to set the clock |
| 03:49 | <grateremo> | when your done with craig i would like to ask you somthing if you have time |
| 03:49 | <craig> | Please forgive me, but what is tick? |
| 03:49 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: the number of ticks per second, iirc. |
| 03:50 | <@Ganneff> | !tell grateremo -about ask |
| 03:50 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: man adjtimex; for details |
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| 03:51 | <craig> | ok I will. Thank you very very much! |
| 03:51 | <dondelelcaro> | craig: np |
| 03:51 | <grateremo> | I am trying to update from kubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 which i have just downloaded off there site but when i finish installing it it wont load of the HD |
| 03:51 | <@Ganneff> | !ubuntu |
| 03:51 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:51 | <dondelelcaro> | grateremo: ask in #kubuntu on FN |
| 03:52 | <grateremo> | ok thanxs |
| 03:53 | <grateremo> | how do i get to it (sorry) |
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| 03:54 | <dondelelcaro> | grateremo: /server irc.freenode.net; when you're there, /join #kubuntu |
| 03:54 | <grateremo> | ok thanks |
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| 04:06 | <Guest1593> | when downloading debian, there are 52 cd's to choose between.. Is there a description somewhere, telling what the different cd's contain? |
| 04:07 | <jm_> | !cd contents |
| 04:07 | <dpkg> | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
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| 04:07 | <jm_> | so yes, there is |
| 04:08 | <Guest1593> | thanks |
| 04:08 | <Guest1593> | and "standard" is just number 1? |
| 04:08 | <jm_> | you shouldn't need them all, especially if you can install from the net |
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| 04:09 | <Guest1593> | ok |
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| 04:31 | <albin> | I'm having a weird problem with my machine running squeeze: occationally (seemingly at random) when it wakes up from suspend (pm-suspend) to RAM, it's extremely slow and the hard drive seems to be under heavy use. Sometimes it wears off after a while, most of the time it doesn't. |
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| 04:34 | <jm_> | albin: many people report this with in-kernel suspend, try tux-on-ice |
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| 04:42 | <albin> | jm_: doesn't that require kernel patches? |
| 04:42 | <jm_> | albin: unfortunatelly yes |
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| 04:45 | <albin> | The linux-patch-tuxonice doesn't seem to be available to squeeze either |
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| 04:57 | <albin> | Hm. It seems to be going away from Debian entirely. |
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| 06:13 | <tecneeq> | hi gents and gentlettes |
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| 06:23 | <user99> | hi, iam using ntlmaps for proxy authentication to a windows proxy server. its basically a python file that run un the background to handle the authentication, iam running this on Debian Squeeze, the python script takes up 100% of one of my cores each time it is used(for instance when I download packages via synaptic) |
| 06:24 | <the-dude> | user99: try cntlm instead |
| 06:25 | <user99> | thanks, will try it |
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| 06:27 | <user99> | ntlmaps worked fine on Lenny all along |
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| 07:07 | <vizor> | hi guys, what is the kernel process kworker? may be someone know |
| 07:07 | <vizor> | what does it do? |
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| 07:11 | <tecneeq> | i know. let me guess, it slows down your hardware quite a bit? |
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| 07:11 | <vizor> | yes, but not always |
| 07:11 | <tecneeq> | try this: echo N > /sys/module/drm_kms_helper/parameters/poll |
| 07:11 | <tecneeq> | solves your problem |
| 07:12 | <tecneeq> | add it to /etc/rc.local before the ,,exit 0'' line and you are good |
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| 07:12 | <vizor> | but for what this process need? |
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| 07:15 | <tecneeq> | polling of hdmi i believe, if there is a new device it is automatically recognized |
| 07:15 | <tecneeq> | i think if you search for ,,kslowd sluggish mouse'' you get more detailed answers |
| 07:16 | <vizor> | tecneeq: ok thx |
| 07:16 | <tecneeq> | my pleasure, leave a tip at entrance ;) |
| 07:18 | <vizor> | )) |
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| 07:21 | <vizor> | tecneeq: actually what is N in your suggestion "echo N > /sys/module/drm_kms_helper/parameters/poll"? Should I replace it with some digit and leave as is? |
| 07:22 | <tecneeq> | N in this case means literally N ;) |
| 07:22 | <vizor> | :) |
| 07:22 | <vizor> | ok |
| 07:22 | <tecneeq> | like in [N]ever poll |
| 07:22 | <vizor> | thx again |
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| 07:29 | <Zaba> | is there a way to keep apt-get dist-upgrade from reinstalling an essential package that I have removed? |
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| 07:31 | <devil> | Zaba: put it on hold |
| 07:31 | <bzed> | Zaba: you should never remove essential packages. |
| 07:31 | <devil> | oh, removed... |
| 07:32 | <Zaba> | heh, it's not like it breaks my system or something in this specific case. The only problem is keeping it removed. |
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| 07:38 | <bremner> | Zaba: I guess you are on your own if you want to remove essential packages. |
| 07:39 | <bremner> | I don't think apt can really work for you. |
| 07:40 | <bremner> | Zaba: out of curiousity, what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 07:41 | <Zaba> | nothing criminal, I just have no need for sysvinit and I want to remove it |
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| 07:48 | <bremner> | I guess you could try making your own sysvinit package and installing that. But really, is this the most important thing you want to spend time on? |
| 07:50 | <Zaba> | not really, no. It doesn't break anything for me if it's around, I was just wondering whether there's a nice way to keep it out. |
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| 07:51 | <jm_> | the simplest would probably be equivs |
| 07:51 | <bremner> | this why people discourage making pages essential... |
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| 07:52 | <bremner> | definitely a "don't whine to us if this breaks your system" kindof thing, but yeah, /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 08:13 | <juanma> | ola |
| 08:13 | <juanma> | xD |
| 08:15 | <jm_> | !es |
| 08:15 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 08:16 | <juanma> | olaa |
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| 08:16 | <juanma> | hay algien? |
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| 08:28 | <icebrain> | hi, any idea why a fuse filesystem (encfs) is giving me a kernel Oops and killing the processes tryign to read its mountpoint on Squeeze (2.6.32), but the same FS with the same version works fine on Sid (2.6.33) on another machine? |
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| 08:29 | <juanma> | ola gente! |
| 08:30 | <juanma> | xD |
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| 08:34 | <mac7> | Hi, hopefully someone can help me. I get this message but do not know what to do. "You need to enable desktop effects (composer) to apply and customize themes." Please help |
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| 08:49 | <huangwei> | hi |
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| 09:25 | <n3v> | hi, anybody with "Maximum number of clients reached" problem? |
| 09:25 | <austin> | ... |
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| 09:34 | <fooser> | hi all |
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| 09:36 | * | supplicant waves |
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| 09:59 | <EmleyMoor> | Are USB-to-parallel leads any good? |
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| 10:00 | <supplicant> | EmleyMoor: I tried that with a printer once, but no luck. I then gave up because the printer was a network printer |
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| 10:03 | <mjt> | what's going on with dash-vs-bash nowadays? I see dash is now a default shell for new install, that's ok. But now I can't set it to be default on _existing_ install, it just errors out. |
| 10:03 | <mjt> | when _dash_ were installed, it added a diversion for /bin/sh owned by _bash_ (not dash). |
| 10:04 | <mjt> | now when i dpkg-reconfigure it to be default shell, it says that the diversion isn't his. |
| 10:04 | <edl> | think i solved my probs with the raptor disk, pluged it in to another comp with xp on it and succesfully booted and then wiped the disk with diskmanager. |
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| 10:06 | <EmleyMoor> | supplicant: Shame mine isn't |
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| 10:06 | <EmleyMoor> | We are about to decommission the last computer in this room with parallel |
| 10:07 | <mjt> | edl: that's.. fantastic. on linux it's trivial to do various things with disks.. you needed xp for that ;) |
| 10:07 | <supplicant> | EmleyMoor: your results may vary |
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| 11:32 | <yohann> | test |
| 11:32 | <rpetre> | test failed |
| 11:32 | <yohann> | hello all !! |
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| 11:33 | <yohann> | sure ??? test failed |
| 11:34 | <yohann> | some frenche ? |
| 11:34 | <rpetre> | !fr |
| 11:34 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:41 | <kevin_> | uiy8 |
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| 11:42 | <flh> | 大家好，这是中文的吗？ |
| 11:43 | <flh> | debhelper,: 你好，这是中文吗？ |
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| 11:45 | <flh> | 大家好 |
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| 11:45 | <flh> | braindump, 这里是中文的吗？ |
| 11:46 | <braindump> | excuse me? |
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| 11:46 | <braindump> | What is that and why would I want one? |
| 11:46 | <flh> | braindump, think |
| 11:47 | <braindump> | 私はそれが何であるかを知らない |
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| 12:12 | <munga> | hello. I use schroot . how do I copy a file in the chroot in an easy way ? |
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| 12:23 | <Myon> | munga: cp file /path/to/chroot/dir ? |
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| 12:39 | <Lantizia> | Hey, I was moving a 1.83TB ext3 partition down by 100mb... but my pc's power reset when GParted was about 20GB of the way through moving. |
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| 12:39 | <Lantizia> | Using testdisk it can see the original partition (starting at cylinder 13 rather than 1)... but I'm worried if I recover it then I've either lost 100mb or 20GB |
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| 12:42 | <kop> | Lantizia: It would start by shrinking the filesystem, then would update the partition size to reclaim the space. So test the filesystem integrity, and fix it if it's broken. |
| 12:43 | <Lantizia> | kop, so do you believe any data will be missing? |
| 12:43 | <romka> | Україно я не бачу тебе??? |
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| 12:44 | <kop> | Lantizia: Dunno. I would guess not, that gparted does things in a safe way -- if that's possible. You should also read the parted docs to see if it says what to do in your situation. |
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| 12:44 | <kop> | !ru |
| 12:44 | <dpkg> | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
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| 12:45 | <kop> | Lantizia: You will definately want to fix the fs though. |
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| 12:45 | <Lantizia> | kop, so from what you first said... am I right in thinking that gparted won't have moved any data in to that 100mb space if it can help it? ... i.e. just reshape the filesystem boundaries around the data? |
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| 12:47 | <kop> | Lantizia: What kind of filesystem? It will have to move the filesystem data to make sure none is in the disk that will no longer be in the partition after resizing. |
| 12:47 | <Lantizia> | ext3 |
| 12:48 | <kop> | Lantizia: That's spread over the whole partition, so some data must be moved. But probably running fsck will fix it without data loss and then you can start over., |
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| 12:48 | <Lantizia> | well I can understand it may move any data in the last 100mbs of the filesystem to someplace else in the filesystem... but no reason to move the first 100mb back by 100mb surely? |
| 12:48 | <Lantizia> | why no data loss? |
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| 12:49 | <kop> | Lantizia: Because parted can move the data to empty space _before_ updating the directory structure, so the old stuff is still pointed to if it gets interrupted. It all depends on the data structures involved, but at least in theory that's possible and I bet it's true in practice. |
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| 12:50 | <Lantizia> | kop, so your betting there is no unique data in that first 100mb? |
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| 12:51 | <kop> | Lantizia: No. I don't know why the first 100MB moved. I don't know how you say which end to shrink. |
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| 12:51 | <Lantizia> | I'm loosing you now |
| 12:52 | <Lantizia> | I told it to move the partition down by 100mb |
| 12:52 | <usu> | HELLO |
| 12:52 | <usu> | OLA |
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| 12:52 | <kop> | Lantizia: It could make the extra space at the beginning or the end. |
| 12:52 | <kop> | !tell usu about es-social |
| 12:52 | <usu> | OLA |
| 12:52 | <Lantizia> | kop, extra space? |
| 12:53 | <usu> | HABLA EN ESPAÑOL |
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| 12:53 | <kop> | Lantizia: You are shrinking the partition. The space removed becomes unpartitioned space. |
| 12:53 | <usu> | OLA |
| 12:53 | <kop> | !es |
| 12:53 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 12:53 | <usu> | HELLO |
| 12:53 | <usu> | DEBIAN |
| 12:53 | <kop> | usu: You have a question? |
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| 12:53 | <supplicant> | !ask |
| 12:53 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:53 | <Lantizia> | kop, no I'm not shrinking - I'm moving... |
| 12:53 | <usu> | OK |
| 12:54 | <usu> | SPEAK SPANISH??? |
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| 12:54 | <kop> | usu: No. See above. |
| 12:54 | <ompaul> | !tell usu about es |
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| 12:55 | <kop> | Lantizia: fsck it and see if there are errors. If not, nothing is lost. |
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| 12:56 | <Lantizia> | kop... lets say I'm moving a partition that exists from the 10mb mark to the 40mb mark... to the 0mb mark to the 30mb mark... but I only use 20mb of data on the filesystem... gparted first task would be to resize the partition from 10-40 to 10-30 right? |
| 12:57 | <Lantizia> | i.e. so no data is in 30-40 |
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| 13:06 | <default0> | hm.. i just installed openoffice.org3 by converting my .rpm packages to .deb, and it works but left openoffice2.4 installed |
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| 13:07 | <default0> | in synaptic package manager only the recent one is listed... so how can i uninstall only the old version? |
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| 13:07 | <romka> | Україна є на зв"язку??? |
| 13:08 | <default0> | cd /usr/ |
| 13:08 | <themill> | default0: there are debian packages for 3.x that you should use. /msg dpkg backports.debian.org |
| 13:08 | <default0> | oops |
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| 13:08 | <default0> | ok, but i already installed 3.2 |
| 13:09 | <default0> | i had downloaded the rpm format when i had slackware |
| 13:09 | <themill> | no, you've installed some mess |
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| 13:09 | <ompaul> | default0: the problem you now have is that you have a package which was not built for debian, therefore debian package management has no real clue how to deal with it |
| 13:09 | <default0> | it works tho... ok, so there'll be issues later i guess |
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| 13:10 | <default0> | so uninstall that by the /opt/openoffice.org3 directories install file like normal right (that's how i did it in slackware)? |
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| 13:11 | <ompaul> | default0: you need to remove all the parts that were installed by your conversion and then you can look at the right way - if that is how you installed it you may (should perhaps) get away with it - but as you did what you did we don't know were not there etc |
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| 13:12 | <default0> | i converted with "alien" the .rpm packages to .deb, then dpkg -i *.deb ... so hoping that the ordinary uninstall method works |
| 13:13 | <default0> | maybe not :/ |
| 13:13 | <ompaul> | default0: you could try that with the package name in there apt-get remove --purge package-name (no promises) |
| 13:14 | <themill> | default0: I'd suggest getting rid of everything with openoffice in the name: "aptitude purge ~nopenoffice" and then installing the OOo3.x packages from backports |
| 13:14 | <default0> | ok ill try aptitude purge (might be weird cos i have two versions?) |
| 13:15 | <default0> | what are backports? |
| 13:15 | <themill> | that command should get rid of both of them. |
| 13:15 | <default0> | ok |
| 13:15 | <themill> | dpkg: tell default0 about backports.debian.org |
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| 13:19 | <default0> | aptitude purge went thru its process and came up with nothing to remove, install etc |
| 13:19 | <default0> | oh |
| 13:19 | <default0> | i wrote NOopenoffice |
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| 13:23 | <default0> | ok it left /opt/openoffice.org/basis3.2 directory and some files, should i rm -r it? |
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| 13:24 | <default0> | and when i open gui synaptic it shows office3 as if it is still installed |
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| 13:24 | <default0> | hm |
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| 13:32 | <default0> | yea synaptic is weird, even when i uninstall it says success but leave them marked as installed. ayayay |
| 13:34 | <default0> | prob insignificant but don't know why it would screw up |
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| 13:40 | <default0> | ok, i have updated the apt-get sources.list, what name for openoffice.org 3.2 should i type to get it? |
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| 13:42 | <kop> | default0: aptitude -t lenny-backports install whatever |
| 13:42 | <default0> | yep, but do you know the name of openoffice 3.2 |
| 13:42 | <default0> | just openoffice? |
| 13:42 | <default0> | dont want to get an old version thats all |
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| 13:44 | <miniminiyo> | Hi, one question, what is te ISO I should be use to install Wicd in Debian Lenny? |
| 13:45 | <miniminiyo> | sorry but my english is very little |
| 13:45 | <cahoot> | miniminiyo: possibly from backports.debian.org |
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| 13:46 | <miniminiyo> | yes, but I can´t use internet conecctoin because I use only wireless conection |
| 13:46 | <miniminiyo> | I can´t undenstan a "how to" in Internet and I search but nothing |
| 13:47 | <miniminiyo> | all of this are incompleted or I cant use in lenny |
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| 13:49 | <chealer> | miniminiyo: You don't need wicd to use a wireless connection. What kind of connection do you have? Is it secured? |
| 13:49 | <miniminiyo> | WPA |
| 13:50 | <chealer> | miniminiyo: What kind of WPA, WPA-PSK? |
| 13:50 | <miniminiyo> | Im desperate |
| 13:50 | <miniminiyo> | WPA simple |
| 13:51 | <chealer> | miniminiyo: I suppose you use WPA-PSK. In any case, you'll need wpasupplicant. Do you have it? |
| 13:52 | <miniminiyo> | i think, yes but I actuaali don´t get in debian im in ubuntu9.04 live |
| 13:52 | <miniminiyo> | how i know this if ay stay here |
| 13:53 | <chealer> | miniminiyo: With which media did you install Debian? |
| 13:54 | <miniminiyo> | i install debian with CD |
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| 13:54 | <miniminiyo> | but i don´t have a wicd in this CD |
| 13:55 | <miniminiyo> | sorry bye |
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| 13:59 | <ichi> | ciao a tutti |
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| 13:59 | <kop> | !it |
| 13:59 | <dpkg> | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:00 | <ichi> | ok grazie |
| 14:00 | <ichi> | ok, thanks |
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| 14:10 | <default0> | ok thumps up, oo.org3 works |
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| 14:11 | <default0> | the /opt/openoffice.org directory and some files still there, but some files were deleted when i installed it again (so i don't know if to leave the rest or not... does the normal install usually leave that directory?) |
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| 14:13 | <default0> | just one other weirdness, the buttons in the oo.org menu only appear button-like when my mouse hovers over it, and the office programs used to be black backgrounds like my theme (but that doesn't matter as it was the only program except epiphany that i didn't want that effect) anyway cheers |
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| 14:21 | <EmleyMoor> | I'm trying to put a CD in my writer but it won't stay open |
| 14:22 | <EmleyMoor> | Having to drop it in quickly! |
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| 14:26 | <mib_plgzt1> | hi i have small question |
| 14:26 | <EmleyMoor> | Something VERY odd going on with it - not staying open, busy when I try to write to it... |
| 14:26 | <mib_plgzt1> | few minutes later i have already installed debian |
| 14:27 | <mib_plgzt1> | but there wasn't drivers to my network davice |
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| 14:27 | <mib_plgzt1> | and i found theme |
| 14:27 | <default0> | maybe it has doubts about what your taste in music |
| 14:27 | <EmleyMoor> | default0: no music involved |
| 14:28 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: what is the device? |
| 14:28 | <mib_plgzt1> | is there any posibiliti that fresh installed debian from dvd dont't have gcc installed? |
| 14:28 | <EmleyMoor> | mib_plgzt1: Highly likely |
| 14:28 | <mib_plgzt1> | i found the drivers |
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| 14:29 | <mib_plgzt1> | but my shell says that i have to get gcc |
| 14:29 | <amphi> | !rejoice |
| 14:29 | * | dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay." |
| 14:29 | <mib_plgzt1> | to install drivers |
| 14:29 | <mib_plgzt1> | is there posibiliti that i dont have gcc on fresh installed debian? |
| 14:29 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: aptitude install build-essential, and the headers for your kernel |
| 14:29 | <EmleyMoor> | mib_plgzt1: Perhaps if you told us about the device we could find you an easier way |
| 14:29 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: yes, it's not installed by default |
| 14:30 | <mib_plgzt1> | so how to do that |
| 14:30 | <mib_plgzt1> | ? |
| 14:30 | <mib_plgzt1> | are the deb |
| 14:30 | <mib_plgzt1> | packages on that dvd i hav in hand |
| 14:30 | <mib_plgzt1> | ? |
| 14:30 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: mirabile dictu, there some linux users who don't use a c compiler *at* *all* |
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| 14:30 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: is the type of device a secret? |
| 14:30 | <mib_plgzt1> | marvel yukon |
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| 14:31 | <amphi> | crazy name, crazy, er, device |
| 14:31 | <EmleyMoor> | Why would I be having this DVD writer problem? |
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| 14:32 | <amphi> | !yukon |
| 14:32 | <dpkg> | i heard sky2 is the Marvell Yukon 2 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 . See also <88e8059>. |
| 14:32 | <EmleyMoor> | My DVD ROM drive is happy to stay open |
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| 14:32 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: ^^^ is that the thing? |
| 14:33 | <amphi> | EmleyMoor: the cup-holder? |
| 14:33 | <mib_plgzt1> | i have go 88e8057 |
| 14:33 | <mib_plgzt1> | and i finded |
| 14:33 | <retrospectacus> | EmleyMoor: will it stay open if you open it at e.g. the bios screen? |
| 14:33 | <mib_plgzt1> | theme but i cant compile it |
| 14:33 | <amphi> | theme? |
| 14:33 | <mib_plgzt1> | because problems of gcc |
| 14:34 | <mib_plgzt1> | drivers |
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| 14:34 | <EmleyMoor> | retrospectacus: I'd need to reboot to find that out. It was always fine under lenny |
| 14:34 | <mib_plgzt1> | them* |
| 14:34 | <EmleyMoor> | mib_plgzt1: You shouldn't need to compile them |
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| 14:34 | <mib_plgzt1> | sorry my english is not so good |
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| 14:34 | <retrospectacus> | mib_plgzt1: you almost certainly don't need to compile any drivers, you probably don't need to do anything at all |
| 14:35 | <retrospectacus> | mib_plgzt1: please run: lspci -nn and show us the line for the device |
| 14:35 | <amphi> | his card doesn't seem to be supported by the sky2 driver, according to the wiki |
| 14:35 | <mib_plgzt1> | i am on windows because i dont have connection |
| 14:35 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: you a sure it's 88e8057 ? |
| 14:36 | <mib_plgzt1> | yes |
| 14:36 | <amphi> | you installed lenny/stable? |
| 14:36 | <themill> | there's not enough digits in that pciid |
| 14:36 | <mib_plgzt1> | lenny |
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| 14:37 | <mib_plgzt1> | i have got drivers to ethernet card from http://www.marvell.com/support.html |
| 14:38 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: 88e8059 is supported by the sky2 driver in s.6.32, apparently, so 57 should be also |
| 14:38 | <mib_plgzt1> | for kernel 2.6 |
| 14:38 | <amphi> | or could be ;) |
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| 14:38 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: so you could either try debian testing, or a kmuto kernel with lenny/stable |
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| 14:38 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 14:40 | <mib_plgzt1> | but i have downloaded drivers for ethernet card |
| 14:40 | <mib_plgzt1> | but i have problem to install them |
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| 14:41 | <mib_plgzt1> | it says that i dont have gcc |
| 14:41 | <mib_plgzt1> | i found some .deb files with gcc |
| 14:41 | <mib_plgzt1> | on dvd with debian 5.0.6 lenny |
| 14:41 | <mib_plgzt1> | and i try to install them |
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| 14:42 | <amphi> | you should install the build-essential package |
| 14:42 | <mib_plgzt1> | but always there are som errors that i don't have g++4.3 and |
| 14:42 | <mib_plgzt1> | what is that |
| 14:42 | <mib_plgzt1> | ? |
| 14:42 | <EmleyMoor> | That's g++ - a C++ compiler |
| 14:42 | <mib_plgzt1> | is it on dvd1? |
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| 14:42 | <mib_plgzt1> | or have i to download? |
| 14:42 | <amphi> | !quotd49 |
| 14:43 | <amphi> | !qotd49 |
| 14:43 | <dpkg> | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 14:43 | * | EmleyMoor does a Magnus Pyke |
| 14:43 | <mib_plgzt1> | nice |
| 14:43 | <mib_plgzt1> | maybe that will solve the problems |
| 14:43 | <mib_plgzt1> | so have i to find it on the net? |
| 14:43 | <mib_plgzt1> | or is it on the dvd 1? |
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| 14:43 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: it may well not; with such hw, I think you'd be better off with kmuto or debian testing |
| 14:44 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: it's a metapackage, 'finding it on the net' would not be much use |
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| 14:44 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: why are you not using aptitude or apt-get for such things? |
| 14:44 | * | amphi sense blunderings |
| 14:45 | <mib_plgzt1> | becouse i on debian i dont have connection to the internet ? |
| 14:45 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: they will allow you to search for packages on the dvd & install them |
| 14:45 | <mib_plgzt1> | ok |
| 14:46 | <amphi> | if you are not aware of that, attempting to build a kernel module is not going to be much fun |
| 14:46 | <mib_plgzt1> | i thought that it is only used to find package on the net |
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| 14:47 | <mib_plgzt1> | ok so i will try to apt-get |
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| 14:47 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: why not use a kmuto kernel which probably has the driver? did you even look at the link I posted? |
| 14:47 | <mib_plgzt1> | yes |
| 14:47 | <mib_plgzt1> | i just wanted to say |
| 14:48 | <mib_plgzt1> | that if the apt-get dont help me |
| 14:48 | <mib_plgzt1> | than i will download kmuto kernel |
| 14:48 | <mib_plgzt1> | ;) |
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| 14:48 | <amphi> | why not try that first? |
| 14:48 | <amphi> | if it works, it's much less work than building a module |
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| 14:50 | <mib_plgzt1> | it's not equal to reinstall the system from the beggining? |
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| 14:50 | <mib_plgzt1> | installing kernel? |
| 14:51 | <amphi> | I don't know if you can install just a kernel from kmuto |
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| 14:53 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: or you could grab a kernel from backports.debian.org |
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| 14:53 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: search for 'linux-image' |
| 14:54 | <retrospectacus> | mib_plgzt1: and no, the kernel is nothing like reinstalling the system |
| 14:54 | <amphi> | retrospectacus: I think he asked WRT kmuto |
| 14:55 | <mib_plgzt1> | i decided to install kmuto kernel |
| 14:55 | <amphi> | mib_plgzt1: good luck |
| 14:55 | <mib_plgzt1> | thx |
| 14:56 | <mib_plgzt1> | i am downloading boot.img.gz |
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| 14:56 | <mib_plgzt1> | could you give me a short instruction |
| 14:56 | <mib_plgzt1> | how to install that |
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| 14:58 | <george_> | What is the apt-XXXX command to show all the files in a package and where they're put? |
| 14:58 | <ansgar> | george_: dpkg -L |
| 14:59 | <dondelelcaro> | george_: or apt-file |
| 14:59 | <george_> | Yeah, the apt-file was the one I couldnt remember. Is dpkg -l and dpkg -L different things? |
| 14:59 | <george_> | Obviosuly I guess. |
| 14:59 | <EmleyMoor> | I can't even write a CD on my laptop - device busy |
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| 15:00 | <amphi> | EmleyMoor: lsof should show what's using the device |
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| 15:05 | <beer> | will squeeze have a more recent version of nvidia-glx that the 195 ? |
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| 15:06 | <themill> | beer: versions in squeeze are highly unlikely to change at this stage |
| 15:06 | <beer> | ;( |
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| 15:07 | <beer> | I am just asking beocuse I sometimes see artifact with kde 4.4 in squeeze and they might have been fixed with new'er version of nvidia-glx |
| 15:08 | <themill> | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 15:08 | <judd> | Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-5; experimental/non-free: 256.53-2 |
| 15:08 | <themill> | beer: you can play with experimental if you feel brave and want to practice unbreaking things... /msg dpkg experimental |
| 15:09 | <EmleyMoor> | amphi: lsof is of no help |
| 15:09 | <amphi> | fuser? |
| 15:09 | <timon> | hello :) |
| 15:09 | <fresh> | Hi :) |
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| 15:10 | <EmleyMoor> | amphi: How do I use it? |
| 15:10 | <timon> | I just wrote my first init script and probably implemented a security hole =) |
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| 15:11 | <chealer> | george_: yes, -l lists packages, -L lists files |
| 15:11 | <beer> | I haved hoped that squezze would be my linux home for some years (eg while it is stable). Within the next few year I could either run testing or squeeze +backports of drivere (the the problem has been proper fixed) |
| 15:12 | <EmleyMoor> | fuser seems to be of no help either |
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| 15:13 | <sudoman> | hi. i have just a quick question. where can i find the patches that are used to compile packages for debian? |
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| 15:15 | <bremner> | sudoman: patch-tracker.debian.org is broken right now, so use apt-get source packagename |
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| 15:16 | <bremner> | sudoman: is this a learning experience, or are you trying to accomplish something specific? |
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| 15:16 | <sudoman> | bremner: thanks. i'm not using debian right now. i'm trying to help someone find patches to use with archlinuxppc |
| 15:17 | <bremner> | you can also download the source packages directly on packages.debian.org |
| 15:18 | <sudoman> | ok thanks. when will patch-tracker be working again? |
| 15:19 | <bremner> | no idea, sorry |
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| 15:19 | <bremner> | it's a know problem, I just don't know what the difficulty is. |
| 15:20 | <jthomas_sb_> | I am trying to set up a server with Exim4; I've run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and I've set up the domains to relay for; I've put into /etc/aliases the line " jthomas: jthomas@mydomain.com " and I've restarted Exim4. When I send an email to jthomas however, it is going to root (likely as a bounce). What am I doing wrong that it won't relay out? |
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| 15:20 | <tus> | dont |
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| 15:21 | <tus> | ..er...crap |
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| 15:22 | <speedvin> | Hello! |
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| 15:22 | <bremner> | jthomas_sb_: did you try running "Mail -v jthomas" |
| 15:23 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... writing a CD seems to work as root on my laptop |
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| 15:25 | <jthomas_sb_> | bremner i tested with 'mail -s SUBJECT jthomas [enter] ' — that -v is a nice flag; i see its interpreting jthomas as jthomas@thisboxdomain.com but i want it to not do that |
| 15:25 | <josma> | hola |
| 15:26 | <jthomas_sb_> | muy buenos |
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| 15:28 | <jthomas_sb_> | bremner even if i have in /etc/aliases the line " jthomas@thisboxdomain.com: jthomas@mydomain.com " , the emails aren't even being attempted for forwarding to jthomas@mydomain.com |
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| 15:31 | <bremner> | hmm. I think I just set something like this up a few days ago, but I can't get to that box right now. I don't think I needed the extra alias with the local domain. |
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| 15:32 | <jthomas_sb_> | with or without the local domain, it is trying to send out to the real MX server |
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| 15:34 | <bremner> | oh. The box I was using didn't have an mx fwiw |
| 15:34 | <brbrooks> | hello, is there any documentation for tracing a packet through the kernel? Socket -> RJ45? |
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| 15:43 | <braindump> | jeremyb: ping |
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| 15:44 | <tuseroni> | yeah, |
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| 15:46 | <tuseroni> | ooo |
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| 15:47 | <austin> | ... |
| 15:47 | <acu> | why is debian on freenode based on membership only ? |
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| 15:47 | <austin> | ah ok i can see things... |
| 15:47 | <tuseroni> | can |
| 15:47 | <austin> | aww only one word of it sent... |
| 15:48 | <austin> | tuseroni there is on an html irc client i just made... |
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| 15:48 | <austin> | it has some issues.. |
| 15:48 | <EmleyMoor> | acu: Anti-spam measure |
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| 15:49 | <tuseroni> | why |
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| 15:51 | <nottus> | and |
| 15:51 | <nottus> | "and |
| 15:51 | <austin> | wtf? |
| 15:52 | <bremner> | acu: it probably just requires you to register a nick |
| 15:52 | <nottus> | hello world |
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| 15:55 | <austin> | i have to do something about that ghost... |
| 15:56 | <austin> | also it seems im having some timeout issues too... |
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| 15:57 | <EmleyMoor> | I am trying to make a USB stick version of Ultimate Boot CD - but I can't make it work. Any of you ever done it? |
| 15:58 | <testus> | bout time he pinged out.. |
| 15:58 | <tracker> | guys is there any options other than apache? |
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| 15:59 | <EmleyMoor> | tracker: For what? |
| 15:59 | <tracker> | for web server |
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| 16:00 | <EmleyMoor> | tracker: There are other web servers - if they will do what you want |
| 16:00 | <testus> | ok, i found out why only one word went through. seems you need to put a colon before the message |
| 16:00 | <testus> | most clients do these things automatically ^_^ |
| 16:00 | <tracker> | <EmleyMoor> : such as |
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| 16:01 | <tus> | but i need to make sure he can stay alive |
| 16:01 | <tus> | i dont know if its the script timing out or the socket... |
| 16:01 | <EmleyMoor> | mini-httpd... |
| 16:02 | <EmleyMoor> | micro-httpd... |
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| 16:02 | <testus> | maybe i should ping the webpage so it keeps getting data... |
| 16:02 | <EmleyMoor> | apache, though, is the major one |
| 16:02 | <tus> | but then my listen has to have a timeout....im not sure if that will work... |
| 16:03 | <testus> | talking about web servers? |
| 16:03 | <bremner> | does any of this discussion have to do with getting support for Debian? |
| 16:03 | <testus> | i like apache myself (talking to you from php running in apache wee) |
| 16:04 | <testus> | bremner: mine doesnt, im just testing my irc client... |
| 16:04 | <bremner> | testus: please don't do that here. |
| 16:05 | <default0> | ...does anyone with openoffice.org installed have a directory /opt/openoffice.org/ with files in it? (wonder if it's purely for the last faulty install or if i can delete it) |
| 16:05 | <testus> | im sorry.... |
| 16:05 | <bremner> | default0: debian does not install things in /opt |
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| 16:05 | <default0> | thanks |
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| 16:10 | <jeremyb> | braindump: pong |
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| 16:21 | <ddssdd> | Hello |
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| 16:37 | <ani`> | http://www.solus-os.info/forums/ guys check that debian based kde |
| 16:37 | <ani`> | may be based on Sid/squeeze ... idk just some info |
| 16:38 | <default0> | kde is why i escaped slackware today |
| 16:38 | <ani`> | :D .. btw i like openbox |
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| 16:40 | <default0> | k this, k that... k, k, friggin k. it's sinister |
| 16:40 | <default0> | :) |
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| 16:41 | <ani`> | lol |
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| 16:51 | <mibber> | hi |
| 16:51 | <speedvin> | mibber: hi |
| 16:51 | <mibber> | i have got the problem |
| 16:51 | <speedvin> | mibber: :) |
| 16:51 | <mibber> | i downloaded kmuto kernel |
| 16:51 | <mibber> | and i don't know how to use it |
| 16:52 | <speedvin> | mibber: restart your computer |
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| 16:52 | <speedvin> | mibber: and in grub select kmuto kernel |
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| 16:54 | <mibber> | grub automaticly add kmuto kernel from pendrive that has mount file *.img? |
| 16:54 | <speedvin> | mibber: you installed kernel from deb? |
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| 16:54 | <mibber> | no |
| 16:54 | <mibber> | i have downloaded the image |
| 16:55 | <mibber> | boot.img from the kmuto site |
| 16:55 | <speedvin> | mibber: It won't |
| 16:55 | <speedvin> | mibber: you have to add it manually |
| 16:55 | <mibber> | so my question was how to do that :D? |
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| 16:56 | <mibber> | because on his site i haven't found any manual |
| 16:56 | <mibber> | or faq |
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| 16:59 | <mibber> | or maybe how can i find sky2 deb file? |
| 16:59 | <mibber> | with drivers |
| 16:59 | <speedvin> | brb |
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| 17:12 | <butters_> | Hello, Im sort of new at linux, and i was suggested a debian bpo by someone else, however, even after reading the debian backports site, im not sure i understand what it means to be a backported kernel |
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| 17:14 | <amphi> | butters_: a newer version of the kernel than the one in the stable release, packaged for the stable release |
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| 17:16 | <qq-> | 2.6.32 vs 2.6.26 |
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| 17:17 | <butters_> | okay, is there a particular reason that I should stay with the bpo or switch? Also, would that some how in any way have somethiing to do with the fact that I all my programs that use strlen cause segfaults? |
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| 17:18 | <amphi> | butters_: strlen causes segfaults ;) |
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| 17:18 | <buwar> | hey somebody here can help me? |
| 17:18 | <amphi> | butters_: I very much doubt it's the kernel - you're sure you're not passing null pointers to strlen? |
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| 17:19 | <butters_> | yes, i printed out the string and everything before it |
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| 17:19 | <butters_> | and it happens with all strlen calls |
| 17:19 | <amphi> | only in programs you write? ;) |
| 17:19 | <butters_> | yes |
| 17:19 | <mase> | :D |
| 17:20 | <amphi> | butters_: so not a kernel problem, in all probability ;) |
| 17:20 | <butters_> | amphi: okay, but its still a scary problem |
| 17:20 | <chealer> | butters_: if strlen always segfaults, you have a critical problem, more likely the result of a hardware failure than a bug. |
| 17:21 | <butters_> | chealer: but software not compiled by me that uses strlen runs fine |
| 17:21 | <amphi> | butters_: what does gdb show you happening? |
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| 17:22 | <chealer> | butters_: the stock kernel is assumed more stable and patched faster. the bpo kernel is newer, with more hardware supported. |
| 17:23 | <butters_> | amphi: gdb Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 17:23 | <butters_> | 0x0000000000600920 in strlen@@GLIBC_2.2.5 () |
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| 17:24 | <chealer> | butters_: yeah... so that's a very different problem. the kernel is low level, unlikely to impact strlen |
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| 17:25 | <butters_> | chealer: okay, does that mean its a problem with libc? |
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| 17:26 | <mase> | butters_ yes, but its strange that only your aplications crashes |
| 17:27 | <mase> | butters_ otherwise nearly none application would run |
| 17:28 | <valdyn> | butters_: you just found a bug in your app, doesnt means strlen is broken |
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| 17:29 | <butters_> | valdyn: i made a second test program tahts a few lines and tested strlen |
| 17:29 | <butters_> | valdyn: and it segfaults |
| 17:29 | <mase> | butters_ can you pastebin it? |
| 17:29 | <valdyn> | butters_: same programming error? |
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| 17:32 | <valdyn> | $ grep strlen /usr/bin/* | wc -l |
| 17:32 | <valdyn> | 834 |
| 17:32 | <butters_> | http://pastebin.com/p7C8GCWK the test program |
| 17:32 | <valdyn> | thats the amount of programs using strlen vs ~2000 programs in there |
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| 17:33 | <valdyn> | butters_: this is only your programming error |
| 17:33 | <mase> | butters_ hmm, that should work of course... |
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| 17:34 | <amphi> | yes, it should |
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| 17:35 | <valdyn> | funny |
| 17:35 | <valdyn> | butters_: try debsums against the libc6-dev package? |
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| 17:36 | <butters_> | valdyn: um, did I mention I was new to this? Whats debsums? |
| 17:36 | <amphi> | butters_: or install the libc dbg package, and step through the strlen call in gdb, and see what you see |
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| 17:36 | <valdyn> | butters_: aptitude install debsums; debsums libc6-dev |
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| 17:37 | <butters_> | okay, i did |
| 17:37 | <chealer> | butters_: it could be a libc problem, but better paste the gdb output you get with the test case |
| 17:38 | <valdyn> | butters_: repeat for libc6 |
| 17:38 | <butters_> | valdyn: okay, what should I be seeing? |
| 17:38 | <valdyn> | butters_: nothing if theres no error |
| 17:39 | <valdyn> | butters_: uh, no, alot of files with OK at the end |
| 17:39 | <valdyn> | butters_: you can make this easier via "debsums | grep -v OK$" |
| 17:40 | <chealer> | valdyn: debsums -s |
| 17:40 | <valdyn> | chealer: nice |
| 17:41 | <valdyn> | butters_: dont run just debsums.. specify a package or this will take forever |
| 17:41 | <butters_> | debsums -s didnt give any output, so i assume its good? |
| 17:41 | <valdyn> | butters_: yes |
| 17:41 | <butters_> | http://pastebin.com/xePh2iaY gdb output for the test program |
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| 17:42 | <valdyn> | butters_: compile with debugging symbols |
| 17:42 | <valdyn> | butters_: and have libc6-dbg installed |
| 17:43 | <althaser> | someone having trouble with amd64 rtl8192e_pci module ? I can't connect to any wireless ... :/ |
| 17:43 | <amphi> | butters_: you could have gdb break on the strlen call, and then step through it |
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| 17:43 | <butters_> | valdyn" apt-get says I have broken package dependancies and cant install libc6-dbg |
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| 17:44 | <valdyn> | butters_: what did you do to break dependencies? |
| 17:44 | <butters_> | valdyn: im not sure, Ive never tried to install libc6-dbg |
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| 17:44 | <chealer> | butters_: when was that machine installed? |
| 17:45 | <valdyn> | butters_: you installed non-debian packages or you are mixing different debian releases or you are not running debian/stable |
| 17:45 | <butters_> | chealer: may |
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| 17:45 | <butters_> | valdyn: oh, is there an easy way to check and correct that? |
| 17:45 | <chealer> | butters_: so you installed Debian 5 lenny 5 months ago? |
| 17:46 | <butters_> | chealer: I think it was about May, but Im not exactly sure |
| 17:46 | <valdyn> | butters_: run apt-get -s -f install and show us the output |
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| 17:46 | <valdyn> | butters_: and show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:47 | <chealer> | butters_: did you install any unofficial package (excluding the kernel from bpo)? |
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| 17:48 | <butters_> | http://pastebin.com/ESN1CnfC both the apt-get -s -f install and the sources.list |
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| 17:49 | * | amphi wonders whether line 19 has ever been uncommented ;) |
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| 17:51 | <valdyn> | butters_: output for apt-get -s dist-upgrade please and apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 17:52 | <valdyn> | butters_: and change every occurrence of "stable" to lenny soon ( though thats unrelated to the current issue ) |
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| 17:52 | <ccg> | where can i find the proxy settings in iceweasel ? |
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| 17:52 | <chealer> | butters_: also provide the output of $ dpkg -l |
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| 17:53 | <valdyn> | ccg: Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Network |
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| 17:53 | <ccg> | thx |
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| 17:54 | * | qwint kills everyone |
| 17:55 | <Webmind-org> | \me |
| 17:55 | <qwint> | o.0 fail? |
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| 17:57 | <butters_> | http://pastebin.com/SrvqCv5V |
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| 17:57 | <ironm> | good evening :) - please allow me few questions |
| 17:58 | <amphi> | !tell ironm -about ask |
| 17:58 | <Webmind-org> | Do Until strDebian = "Cool" |
| 17:59 | <valdyn> | ccg: your libc6 is *to* new |
| 17:59 | <chealer> | butters_: why did you add sid to your sources? |
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| 17:59 | <butters_> | chealer: Im not sure, should I comment it out? |
| 18:00 | <valdyn> | butters_: lets what what you get on "apt-get -s install libc6=2.7-18lenny6" |
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| 18:00 | <valdyn> | butters_: it *is* commented out |
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| 18:01 | <chealer> | butters_: you're not running a pure lenny system. you have some core packages from unstable. show us the output of # apt-get check; and # apt-get install apt-show-versions |
| 18:02 | <ironm> | thank you for the hint amphi .. I just try to stay polite ;) - 1. I need to mount nfs volumes using init-scripts in /etc/init.d as I want to place them on the live image (debian) . When I use a local hook to modify /etc/fstab it doesn't work as /etc/fstab will be created during the boot time |
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| 18:02 | <butters_> | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/sVh9jkmr |
| 18:02 | <ironm> | 2. in whar order the init-scripts are normaly executed ? |
| 18:03 | <valdyn> | butters_: try the sam with aptitude -s install libc6=2.7-18lenny6, maybe it finds a better solution |
| 18:03 | <ironm> | 3. I would like in thy live-nfs-mount script first modify the existing /etc/fstab and after run mount -a |
| 18:04 | <amphi> | ironm: the order is given by the numbers in the names of the symlinks to them, in /ect/rc$RUNLEVEL.d |
| 18:04 | <amphi> | */etc |
| 18:05 | <butters_> | valdyn: aptitude wants to downgrade a ton of packages? |
| 18:05 | <valdyn> | judd: versions util-linux |
| 18:05 | <judd> | Package util-linux on i386 -- etch: 2.12r-19etch1; etch-security: 2.12r-19etch1; lenny: 2.13.1.1-1; sid: 2.17.2-3.3; squeeze: 2.17.2-3.3 |
| 18:05 | <valdyn> | butters_: thats good |
| 18:05 | <valdyn> | butters_: show us |
| 18:06 | <ironm> | amphi, what I mean is that there are already some nfs-stuff with the same numbers .. I need to run tha"live-nfs-mount" script as a last one |
| 18:06 | <valdyn> | butters_: someone install alot of stuff that does not belong to lenny but probably sid at that time |
| 18:06 | <butters_> | http://pastebin.com/MggfevZ0 |
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| 18:06 | <ironm> | s/ some nfs-stuff/some nfs scripts ... |
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| 18:07 | <valdyn> | butters_: that looks alright, you could go ahead and install stuff you want again later |
| 18:07 | <ironm> | amphi, ... I see ... S<number> ... |
| 18:07 | <valdyn> | butters_: but dont blame me if something goes wrong, downgrading is and cant be supported |
| 18:08 | <butters_> | valdyn: so i should just say yes? |
| 18:08 | <ironm> | cd .. |
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| 18:09 | <valdyn> | butters_: hold on |
| 18:09 | <valdyn> | judd: versions libc-bin |
| 18:09 | <judd> | Package libc-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.2-6; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.11.2-7 |
| 18:09 | <chealer> | butters_: OK, now what does $ apt-show-versions; output? |
| 18:09 | <butters_> | valdyn: i think... that i accidentally said yes |
| 18:09 | <valdyn> | butters_: yea i think you can go ahead, nothing essential will be removed |
| 18:09 | <butters_> | kde-core isnt essential? |
| 18:10 | <valdyn> | butters_: sure not |
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| 18:10 | <valdyn> | butters_: you can install kde 3 later |
| 18:10 | <valdyn> | butters_: theres no kde4 in lenny |
| 18:10 | <valdyn> | butters_: in case you think you need that... |
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| 18:12 | <butters_> | chealer: http://pastebin.com/0h3nBvBS |
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| 18:16 | <chealer> | butters_: your system is quite mixed. I would upgrade to squeeze or reinstall lenny. |
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| 18:25 | <butters_> | chealer: how would i safely go and do that? |
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| 18:39 | <tod> | where can i find a good basic tutorial on using ftp/ftp-ssl? |
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| 18:41 | <tod> | (having trouble figuring out how to use basic commands and make them stick) |
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| 18:41 | <acu> | tod: what exactly do you want to do ? - for server if you use GADMIN-PROFTPD for the server - is a GUI which is so simple - you will see every setting very easy |
| 18:42 | <doomcup> | Hi, how do I install some packages I need from experimental in squeeze? |
| 18:42 | <tod> | i'm only concerned with client ftp usage |
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| 18:42 | <acu> | tod: to connect to an ftp server: use Konqueror and just type ftp://youripaddress |
| 18:42 | <doomcup> | I need gcc 4.5, but the squeeze repos only have 4.4 |
| 18:42 | <acu> | tod: if you want to use firefox - you need to install fireftp plugin |
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| 18:43 | <tod> | don't have konqueror and does fireftp allow sftp connections? |
| 18:43 | <acu> | tod: only two neurons required - fireftp needs you to know the server ip address the username and password -also |
| 18:43 | <retrospectacus> | doomcup: /msg dpkg tum |
| 18:44 | <acu> | tod: you can use nautilus too instead of konqueror |
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| 18:44 | <chealer> | butters_: reinstalling or upgrading? |
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| 18:44 | <doomcup> | I should have been more clear |
| 18:44 | <doomcup> | I don't want to completely upgrade to sid |
| 18:44 | <doomcup> | I just need a few packages that are in sid |
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| 18:44 | <retrospectacus> | doomcup: <tum> is exactly what you want |
| 18:45 | <doomcup> | Okay, just being sure I read it right |
| 18:45 | <tod> | thanks for the suggestions |
| 18:46 | <retrospectacus> | doomcup: (tum => testing/unstable mix) |
| 18:46 | <doomcup> | AH, I see |
| 18:46 | <doomcup> | Thanks |
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| 18:47 | <supaman> | hello, I have problems receiving some embedded multimedia through iceweasel and mozplugger, specifically all content from www.ruv.is (sample would be this page: http://dagskra.ruv.is/ras1/4565796/2010/10/05/), could someone help me with this? |
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| 18:49 | <doomcup> | One last question: the instructions that have you use apt-get, will they work with aptitude? |
| 18:49 | <retrospectacus> | doomcup: I don't know... |
| 18:50 | <retrospectacus> | I only use apt-get |
| 18:50 | <doomcup> | I hear it's better to use aptitude because it handles dependencies better |
| 18:50 | <supaman> | there are slight differences between the two, apt-get and aptitude |
| 18:50 | <chealer> | retrospectacus: unstable != experimental |
| 18:50 | <Lantizia> | Hey, how can I use lvcreate without specifying a size (as in... use all available space in the volume group) |
| 18:50 | <retrospectacus> | I have heard this as well, but never had any problem with just apt-get. Apt-get is much faster iirc |
| 18:51 | <retrospectacus> | chealer: so? |
| 18:51 | <doomcup> | Oh |
| 18:52 | <doomcup> | I'd better make sure gcc and g++ 4.5 are in sid |
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| 18:52 | <doomcup> | Yeah, doesn't look that way |
| 18:53 | <pattrick> | debian? dafuk? |
| 18:53 | <chealer> | retrospectacus: well it's not exactly what he wants. he needs to put experimental instead of sid |
| 18:53 | <chealer> | bbl |
| 18:53 | <doomcup> | Oh, I see |
| 18:53 | <doomcup> | Thanks chealer |
| 18:53 | <retrospectacus> | chealer: he said he wanted sid - I must have missed something earlier |
| 18:54 | <doomcup> | I didn't say that |
| 18:54 | <doomcup> | Well, I did, but I was confused |
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| 18:55 | <retrospectacus> | 15:45 < doomcup> I just need a few packages that are in sid |
| 18:55 | <doomcup> | <doomcup> Hi, how do I install some packages I need from experimental in squeeze? |
| 18:55 | <doomcup> | From four minutes earlier |
| 18:56 | <retrospectacus> | anyways, if they are in experimental, just add deb lines for experimental and apt-get -t experimental install gcc |
| 18:56 | <doomcup> | In response to giving me stuff on tum |
| 18:56 | <doomcup> | Okay, got it |
| 18:56 | <doomcup> | Thanks |
| 18:56 | <retrospectacus> | sorry, I wasn't here (paying attention) at that time |
| 18:56 | <doomcup> | No big deal, no harm done |
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| 18:57 | <retrospectacus> | :) |
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| 18:59 | <retrospectacus> | you may have to explicitly install additional experimental dependencies too, doomcup |
| 18:59 | <acu> | tod: you are welcome |
| 18:59 | <doomcup> | Okay, I'll keep that in mind |
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| 19:11 | <gbp> | hi guys, I'm trying to use the official Australian repo for etch and I'm getting 404 Not Found error |
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| 19:11 | <gbp> | Err http://ftp.au.debian.org etch-proposed-updates/main Packages |
| 19:11 | <gbp> | 404 Not Found [IP: 150.203.164.37 80] |
| 19:11 | <gbp> | my sources.list: deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
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| 19:11 | <gbp> | :q! |
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| 19:11 | <gbp> | oops |
| 19:12 | <gbp> | anyway, did I do something wrong here or? |
| 19:12 | <themill> | gbp: etch is no longer on the mirrors and hasn't been supported for quite a few months now |
| 19:12 | <retrospectacus> | !etch |
| 19:12 | <dpkg> | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 19:12 | <gbp> | oh right sorry :/ |
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| 19:12 | <gbp> | it's an old machine, hasn't turned off for 3 years or something |
| 19:12 | <gbp> | not really keen to upgrade it |
| 19:13 | <gbp> | is dist-upgrade as dangerous as it used to be? |
| 19:13 | <gbp> | !dist-upgrade |
| 19:13 | <dpkg> | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>. |
| 19:13 | <themill> | gbp: there is a detailed set of release notes for this. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 19:14 | <gbp> | thanks |
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| 19:17 | <fgh> | hi, what is the difference in debian squeeze live standard from the gnome one? |
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| 19:26 | <doomcup> | Okay that works |
| 19:26 | <doomcup> | Thanks for your help |
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| 19:36 | <gbp> | hell, the new mysql server forks a lot more processes |
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| 19:44 | <acu> | marius07_, |
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| 19:48 | <qq-> | #d-ro < acu |
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| 20:07 | <Gateway`> | hello everybody |
| 20:08 | <Gateway`> | I would like to know the command that gives me the possibility to reboot all the services that I upgraded without rebooting the system, please |
| 20:09 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 421] by debhelper |
| 20:09 | <amphi> | Gateway`: the upgrade process should have started them as necessary |
| 20:09 | <retrospectacus> | Gateway`: /etc/init.d/whatever restart for each whatever |
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| 20:09 | <Gateway`> | but sometimes there are some updates that push you to reboot the server |
| 20:10 | <Gateway`> | is there a way to avoid that ? |
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| 20:10 | <themill> | only kernel upgrades require that |
| 20:11 | <amphi> | Gateway`: you only need to reboot for a kernel update |
| 20:12 | <Gateway`> | excuse me guys for these questions, is it really necessary to update the kernel, even if this present one works fine ? |
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| 20:12 | <Gateway`> | I mean by present, the one which is already installed |
| 20:13 | <retrospectacus> | Gateway`, no. |
| 20:14 | <amphi> | Gateway`: it depends on the reason for the update |
| 20:14 | <themill> | Gateway`: if debian is offering an updated kernel as a security update then you'd be well advised to install it and reboot into it |
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| 20:16 | <rpetre> | also, if you installed an update to the same kernel version, you are advised to reboot soon, otherwise subsequent modprobes won't work |
| 20:16 | <Gateway`> | so there must be a bug on the previous one, that's why they publish the latest one |
| 20:17 | <rpetre> | you might not be affected by the fixed bugs, so if reboots are a big deal for you, you should read the changelog before upgrading :) |
| 20:17 | <amphi> | Gateway`: once you've installed it, you can read the changelog ;) |
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| 20:18 | <rpetre> | you can read it before that, too. just use shift-C in aptitude, or read it on the package's page |
| 20:18 | <themill> | Gateway`: there are always bugs |
| 20:18 | <Gateway`> | how can changelog help me ? |
| 20:18 | <rpetre> | it lists the known fixed bugs by that release |
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| 20:18 | <amphi> | Gateway`: you can see what bugs were fixed |
| 20:19 | <Gateway`> | ah ok I see |
| 20:19 | <Gateway`> | rpetre, you said that I can read it using shift-C |
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| 20:20 | <rpetre> | yup, select the package in aptitude and press shift-C on it, aptitude will download the changelog and display it for you |
| 20:20 | <amphi> | that's nice |
| 20:20 | <Gateway`> | thanks for these informations guys :) |
| 20:20 | <rpetre> | in case of upgradable packages, it should even highlight the sections that apply :) |
| 20:21 | <Gateway`> | because I work as an system administrator in a company and I'm trying to change all my windows servers into debian |
| 20:22 | <rpetre> | Gateway`: good luck, it's a way tougher job than it looks :( |
| 20:22 | <retrospectacus> | that's what I like to hear!! |
| 20:22 | <retrospectacus> | err ..read |
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| 20:23 | <Gateway`> | yes, but it's a better way to make linux known in my country |
| 20:23 | <Gateway`> | and to make things better for me :D |
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| 20:24 | <Gateway`> | I have tested a firewall using iptables |
| 20:24 | <rpetre> | Gateway`: Marocco? :) |
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| 20:24 | <Gateway`> | and squid as a proxy server, both of them installed on the same machine. |
| 20:24 | <Gateway`> | rpetre, yes |
| 20:24 | <rpetre> | Morocco, sorry |
| 20:25 | <Gateway`> | rpetre, no problem ;) |
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| 20:25 | <Gateway`> | and it looks work fine, so I'm going to install them at work |
| 20:26 | <Gateway`> | so if you have any suggestions, I'll be greatful :) |
| 20:26 | <rpetre> | Gateway`: my advice for whoever tries win-lin migrations in the office: make sure you have the support of the management and don't try to give them false hopes |
| 20:27 | <rpetre> | otherwise you'll get blamed for every failing and it would not only advance the cause of linux, but deter it |
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| 20:28 | <Gateway`> | rpetre, I have already studied different cases |
| 20:28 | <Gateway`> | and the principal servers like the ones where the erp is installed are always running on windows |
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| 20:29 | <rpetre> | cool, just make sure mgmt. understands that it's no "magic bullet" |
| 20:29 | <rpetre> | imho that's a crucial step that most enthusiasts forget |
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| 20:29 | <Gateway`> | but like dhcp server, dns one, samba server with authentication for windows clients, firewall, squid and squidguard |
| 20:30 | <Gateway`> | don't worry guys, I know what I'm doing ;) and thanks for your advises and support :) |
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| 20:31 | <Gateway`> | I'm planning for qmail as a mailing server, openvpn in order to connect the different sites... |
| 20:31 | <themill> | !flw |
| 20:31 | <dpkg> | <stew> ooops. client just figured out that i mistakenly checked in code that was creating a file named /tmp/fuckyou every time you ran the program |
| 20:31 | <Gateway`> | wish me luck guys and every thing is gonna be fine ;)) |
| 20:34 | <rpetre> | if you are going to use qmail, you'll need truckloads of luck ;) |
| 20:34 | * | rpetre ducks |
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| 20:34 | <Gateway`> | :) |
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| 20:36 | <Gateway`> | thanks again guys |
| 20:36 | <Gateway`> | see you later... when I'll get some problems hehe |
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| 20:49 | <ryan_> | what should the gateway be on the third nic on a box with three? |
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| 20:49 | <ryan_> | using iptables im forwarding from the internal two nics to the external one going to the cable box |
| 20:50 | <ryan_> | works for eth1 but im not sure how to configure eth2 |
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| 20:50 | <@Ganneff> | there is exactly one gateway entry in the whole network config (default gateway). more than one makes no sense |
| 20:50 | <ryan_> | ohh |
| 20:51 | <elements1> | Hey, any OpenVPN gurus around? I have a fairly in depth question that isn't worth spamming the room with if no one knows. |
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| 20:51 | <@Ganneff> | you have one default gateway (thats what you set with gateway line in interfaces), which takes all the stuff going to hosts no other route takes. then, the other interfaces can have any number of routes for any other network ranges. |
| 20:52 | <ryan_> | actually there is not a gateway specified in ../interfaces |
| 20:52 | <@Ganneff> | but two default gateways makes no sense. the kernel dont want to roll a dice which to use :) |
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| 20:52 | <@Ganneff> | ryan_: you might also get it via dhcp |
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| 21:37 | <Sparq__> | where would I find syslog? |
| 21:38 | <Nemoder> | /var/log/ ? |
| 21:38 | <tupix> | Hi all. I've just installed LDAP and configured all the files need to autenticate the system. But when i use the ldapsearch -x -D cn=manager and type de password setted at the installation i got "invalid credentials", somebody knows what could be? |
| 21:38 | <tupix> | Sparq__, /var/log/syslog |
| 21:39 | <Sparq__> | thanks |
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| 21:49 | <na4utA-work> | hello. i have a question: i get banned on #debian.de, how i get unbanned? |
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| 21:51 | <qq-> | ask in #oftc |
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| 21:54 | <vook> | I just did a reinstall and I'm now using gdm3. Do any tools exist to modify basic performance of gdm3 (themes, force users to type username (rather than show a list)) ? |
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| 21:59 | <na4utA-work> | Myon or Ganneff: can you unbann me, please? on #debian.de |
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| 23:02 | <cmhamill> | identify eth5KiPh3utahG0 |
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| 23:10 | <na4utA-work> | cmhamill: i would change your code ^^ |
| 23:12 | <sortadi> | why is it Debian Lenny still listed as the Stable branch on debian.org? |
| 23:13 | <rigved> | sortadi: that is because the next version (Debian Squeeze) is still in the development phase |
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| 23:13 | <sortadi> | rigved, but I thought having read it was releases as it |
| 23:14 | <sortadi> | released |
| 23:15 | <kop> | !guess the release date |
| 23:15 | <dpkg> | [guess the release date][guess the release date] a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
| 23:17 | <cmhamill> | na4utA-work: Thanks. ;) |
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| 23:20 | * | jordanm is on track to win |
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| 23:20 | <jordanm> | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 23:20 | <dpkg> | ! macrobat=2010-12-13 aguitel=2010-07-11 old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 craigevil=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 rmayorga=2011-01-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
| 23:21 | <kop> | sortadi: What's misleading about "The latest stable release of Debian is 5.0." (from www.debian.org) |
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| 23:21 | <jordanm> | perhaps they planned to update that for lenny-n-half :P |
| 23:22 | <kop> | jordanm: Will there even be one now that backports is official? |
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| 23:24 | <jordanm> | kop: no, and I don't think official backports in the reason |
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| 23:24 | <jordanm> | it seems that just no one worked on it... |
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