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| 00:07 | <mythion> | can anyone help me install the latest version of LIRC |
| 00:09 | <qq-> | on lenny ? |
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| 01:20 | <dundee> | Hello out there.... I am new to debian but I just cannot get my mic to work |
| 01:21 | <dundee> | Everything else works |
| 01:21 | <dundee> | My Laptop is a Dell Studio |
| 01:21 | <dundee> | Help please |
| 01:21 | <dundee> | I need to use Skype |
| 01:23 | <MrFrood> | dundee: have you opened a mixer to check it? |
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| 01:25 | <dundee_> | Thanks for responding: Yes I have opened the mixer |
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| 01:25 | <dundee_> | I enabled the mic under recording thinking that would work |
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| 01:26 | <dundee_> | still cannot use microphone |
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| 01:27 | <MrFrood> | dis you also check the level (no point having it enabled if the level is set to zero) |
| 01:28 | <MrFrood> | *did |
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| 01:28 | <dundee_> | yep checked the level ...brought it all the way up |
| 01:29 | <MrFrood> | so it should distort nicely when you get it working |
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| 01:30 | <rafa> | dfgdf |
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| 01:30 | <dundee_> | checked with audacity and sound recorder and still no sound |
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| 01:33 | <MrFrood> | got say this is really not my thing so all I can suggest is the few basic checks of the obvious that we have already done. |
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| 01:34 | <MrFrood> | perhaps you should check the debian wiki http://wiki.debian.org/Sound |
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| 01:35 | <MrFrood> | or pop back later when it's a bit more active |
| 01:36 | <dundee_> | ok. I will try and see if there is a solution on the wiki. |
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| 01:36 | <dundee_> | Thanks |
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| 01:36 | <dundee_> | I will just come back if I can't get it to work |
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| 01:38 | <MrFrood> | !alsa |
| 01:38 | <dpkg> | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:39 | * | MrFrood luvs factoids |
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| 03:50 | <EmleyMoor> | Is there a typical time, assuming average DSL connectivity, for a lenny -> squeeze upgrade? |
| 03:52 | <EmleyMoor> | (for a desktop system) |
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| 03:55 | <EmleyMoor> | Also, will such upgrade put active NFS connections "at risk"? |
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| 03:59 | <jpinx-eeepc> | EmleyMoor: it depends on what you have installed, it's an impossible question |
| 03:59 | <jpinx-eeepc> | average DSL connectivity depends on what country you're in |
| 03:59 | <EmleyMoor> | jpinx-eeepc: Hmmm... fair enough. |
| 03:59 | <jpinx-eeepc> | EmleyMoor: depends on what mirrors you use |
| 03:59 | <jpinx-eeepc> | too many vaariables ;) |
| 04:00 | * | EmleyMoor will try to take a day off on Friday now they are asking him to work Saturday night |
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| 04:34 | <edgar> | anybody want to hang out in #Absurdistan? Sorry, I know this is offtopic, I hope its not forbidden on this channel, but I am currently hanging out in the other one. |
| 04:35 | <edgar> | and I am a Debian user, so my mere existence is not offtopic |
| 04:35 | <edgar> | I think |
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| 05:03 | <stinkyfax> | hello everyone |
| 05:03 | <jww_> | hi. |
| 05:04 | <smhar> | greetings |
| 05:04 | <stinkyfax> | I am not very good in linux. I've got gamesrver which auto restarts on crash, though I try to shutdown it and I can't. tried "kill processID" - it just restarts |
| 05:04 | <stinkyfax> | if somebody knows gameserver is SRCDS (source dedicated server) |
| 05:04 | <smhar> | how to kill a logged-in user from the command line? |
| 05:04 | <petemc> | slay user, or kill their shell |
| 05:05 | <smhar> | I tried killall -u user and the user is killed, but I can not log to it again |
| 05:05 | <jww_> | smhar: ps aux to locate his shell's pid, then kill it. |
| 05:06 | <stinkyfax> | does anybody know how can i sort out this issue |
| 05:06 | <EmleyMoor> | stinkyfax: There must be a keepalive script running it... |
| 05:07 | <smhar> | jww_, user is running gnome @tty8 |
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| 05:09 | <jww_> | smhar: what do you want to do ? just log him out ? or prevent him to log again too ? |
| 05:09 | <jww_> | umm brb. |
| 05:10 | <stinkyfax> | EmleyMoor: so how do I stop the script? |
| 05:11 | <EmleyMoor> | Find it like any other process and kill it - that should work |
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| 05:16 | <stinkyfax> | okey dokey, thanks. will analyze it |
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| 05:31 | <edgar> | stinkyfax, do you know how to use ps? |
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| 05:35 | <edgar> | oh, and btw, if you try kill, and it fails, you can always do 'kill -9', be warned though, that this forces a program to quit in a rude manner, which can force the program to leave stuff inconsistent |
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| 05:35 | <edgar> | this is not just theoretical, its happened to me once before |
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| 05:36 | <edgar> | I trust anyone hear has been warned about the responsability that super cow powers confer |
| 05:36 | <edgar> | &8-P |
| 05:36 | <edgar> | sorry, here |
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| 06:08 | <le0> | good morning to all |
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| 06:09 | <taruti> | How does one set the root device with the new grub? |
| 06:09 | <taruti> | It appears to generate a UUID based device in /boot/grub/grub.cfg that is wrong |
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| 06:10 | <jm_> | taruti: did you check stuff in /etc/default? |
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| 06:11 | <taruti> | jm_: there is a /etc/default/grub but no root device there |
| 06:12 | <le0> | i have constate fails in this procediment with this uuid generation too. |
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| 06:13 | <le0> | but i don't try it manualy. |
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| 06:13 | <jm_> | taruti: well then you probably want to figure out why it uses wrong UUID |
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| 06:14 | <taruti> | GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true seems to help |
| 06:14 | <taruti> | then it magically guesses the right root=/dev/md0 from somewhere |
| 06:15 | <jm_> | check /etc/grub.d/10_linux |
| 06:16 | <le0> | or uncorrect "missing" kernel paramerts in compilation, i don't have much knoeledge about linux kernels specific suported ressources needed to aply these new settings. |
| 06:17 | <le0> | excuse for some english digitation in some words. |
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| 06:20 | <locklace> | !confuse le0 |
| 06:20 | <dpkg> | No, what was your gouda tomorrow, le0? Shirts of the Republic of Micronesia with extra anchovies. |
| 06:23 | <le0> | but the proccess on use during the bootstrap with one virtual drive compacted and uncompacted in ram remenber one similar proccess i think have made when i only use my 486 and old "dos" |
| 06:24 | <le0> | during these passed time i don't use access to internet, the internet is more new to me! |
| 06:24 | <le0> | gouda is one excelent cheese dpkg... u like too? |
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| 06:32 | <le0> | locklace: little confuse but learning to understand, and accepting new concepts to see the "life". |
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| 06:47 | <jbar> | hello |
| 06:47 | <jbar> | test |
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| 06:48 | <jbar> | exit |
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| 06:55 | <f8l> | Why is that channel so popular for testing? |
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| 07:01 | <bremner> | I speculate because several derivitive distros still ship it as the default for xchat |
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| 07:36 | <alephnull> | How do I make dh_auto_install tell dh_shlibdeps to --ignore-missing-info ? |
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| 07:39 | <bremner> | alephnull: I suppose you want #debian-mentors. In any case, you don't really tell dh_auto_install anything afaict; you either use it or override it |
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| 07:50 | <alephnull> | Thanks bremner. I just had to override dh_shlibdeps |
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| 07:55 | <jmorais> | oi |
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| 07:57 | <jpinx-ee1pc> | !ask |
| 07:57 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:21 | <zeev> | Hi, I try to install gtkextramm but I get following error while running ./configure : http://paste.debian.net/90770/ . How can I fix it? |
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| 08:24 | <zeev> | what is ltconfig? It seems I don't have it?... |
| 08:24 | <zeev> | is it part of libtool? |
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| 08:36 | <moa> | hello |
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| 08:38 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 450] by debhelper |
| 08:38 | <moa> | Is there anyone here? |
| 08:38 | <pipe> | why do you ask? |
| 08:38 | <moa> | because i'm not used to chating by irc and i didn't see people talking so... |
| 08:39 | <moa> | i wondered if I miss something in the config... |
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| 08:39 | <jesuselifelet> | my inglish is bad |
| 08:39 | <jesuselifelet> | how install adept in spanish? |
| 08:40 | <moa> | I'm kind of new to debian and I have a little problem in downloading new package from Kpackage: it doesn't search nor find any new package from the web... |
| 08:41 | <jm_> | jesuselifelet: try setting locale to spanish |
| 08:42 | <jm_> | !locale |
| 08:42 | <dpkg> | i guess locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info. <locales> |
| 08:43 | <jm_> | /msg dpkg locales to get the command to do it |
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| 08:47 | <jpinx-ee1pc> | locales |
| 08:48 | <jpinx-ee1pc> | !locales |
| 08:48 | <dpkg> | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 08:48 | <pipe> | moa: Can't help you there, I've never really used KDE |
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| 08:49 | <moa> | ty |
| 08:49 | <moa> | never mind |
| 08:49 | <pipe> | moa: But I'm not sure I understand what you mean |
| 08:49 | <gord> | moa: nor me either, just to let you know there are a few people reading this |
| 08:49 | <moa> | well the package content always refers to the installation CD |
| 08:49 | <pipe> | moa: Ahh |
| 08:49 | <bremner> | !tell moa -about sources.list |
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| 08:50 | <pipe> | moa: KPackage probably have a way to add sources |
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| 08:50 | <pipe> | moa: Probably in "Settings", but I only have a screenshot to look at :) |
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| 09:39 | <f8ld> | Has anyone notticed recently that debdeltas are missing from mirrors? |
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| 09:39 | <f8ld> | s/tt/t/ |
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| 09:41 | <lluvia> | I am building a non-official deb with dh and I'd like to set the tree in a site different to /usr/ |
| 09:41 | <lluvia> | is there an easy way to do it? |
| 09:42 | <lluvia> | (without override all the debian/rules) |
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| 09:54 | <blarson> | lluvia: I think #debian-mentors would be a more appropriate place for debhelper questions. |
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| 09:54 | <lluvia> | blarson: thanks, it is a very good idea |
| 09:55 | * | blarson 's debhelper skills are rusty |
| 09:56 | <lluvia> | of mine too |
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| 10:17 | <detly> | is there a way to resize an LVMed system *without* creating a live or rescue image? |
| 10:18 | <kabi> | detly: lvresize ? |
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| 10:22 | <detly> | can I do that on a mounted volume though? |
| 10:22 | <detly> | sorry, ^ kabi |
| 10:23 | <the-dude> | detly: depends on your filesystem |
| 10:23 | <kabi> | detly: well if you have supported filesystem which support online resize - then yes |
| 10:23 | <kabi> | detly: though keeping a backup is always very smart idea in this case.... |
| 10:24 | <detly> | only if you don't like cheap thrills |
| 10:25 | <kabi> | detly: (check -r option for lvresize) |
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| 10:25 | <detly> | you mean the filesystem of the mapper partition, right? how do I check whether my system supports live resizing? |
| 10:25 | <detly> | oh, right |
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| 10:30 | <kabi> | detly: you will notice if you have unsupported one |
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| 10:31 | <pipe> | detly: If you want to enlarge it, it's easy |
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| 10:34 | <detly> | well, I was only looking at the man page, not the --help output, so I wouldn't have known there was a "-r" switch |
| 10:34 | <detly> | it's making a little more sense now |
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| 10:36 | <pipe> | I always do the steps manually, first lvresize then resize2fs |
| 10:36 | <kabi> | pipe: which is obviously wrong when you are downsizing |
| 10:36 | <pipe> | yes, which is why I mentioned enlarge |
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| 10:37 | <kabi> | pipe: but I'd prefer reporting bug in this case ;) (being somewhat more interested in this area myself ;)) |
| 10:38 | <kabi> | pipe: (bugs when lvresize -r fails I mean) |
| 10:39 | <detly> | well, I'm enlarging /usr at the expense of /home (or maybe /var) |
| 10:39 | <kabi> | detly: hmm - downsizing usually requires unmounted fs |
| 10:41 | <detly> | I suspected as much... although I wonder if it's possible in a single-user boot |
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| 10:43 | <kabi> | detly: shrinking online is hard |
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| 10:44 | <kabi> | detly: remapping pages for running application.... it's really hard... |
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| 10:45 | <detly> | well, I'm more than happy to make a live usb, I just thought I'd check to see if there's an easier way |
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| 10:46 | <jeronimus> | can I do damage if I do grub-install "(hd0)" with the wrong while I should have been hd1 for instance? |
| 10:47 | <jeronimus> | or can i do grub-install "(hd?)" for any hd? if I'm not sure which one is used to boot? |
| 10:47 | <kop> | jeronimus: You only do damage if there's another boot loader installed on that drive that you want to keep. |
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| 10:47 | <kop> | jeronimus: The bios says which drive is use to boot. |
| 10:48 | <jeronimus> | kop: I though so, just wanted to check. |
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| 10:48 | <kop> | jeronimus: There's already space reserved on every drive and every partition for a boot loader. Writing there does not hurt. |
| 10:48 | <jeronimus> | kop: can I check the bios settings at runtime? or do i need to reboot and go into bios settings mode to find out? |
| 10:49 | <kop> | jeronimus: That's a good question.... dmidecode would probably be the tool to use. I suspect that you need to actually go into the bios user interface on reboot. Bios sucks. |
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| 10:51 | <kop> | jeronimus: Note that if you've raid1-ed your /boot then it's useful to write the bootloader to both drives so that if one fails the other has a bootloader installed. (Best to test before failure.) |
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| 12:05 | <moa> | hi |
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| 12:06 | <moa> | I have a question about mounting disk (ntfs and FAT32) with konqueror: is there any solution to make it? |
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| 12:06 | <jpinx-eeepc> | moa: what's the command you are using and the error you get-? |
| 12:07 | <moa> | I can mount a FAT32 with the mount command in root mode but I wanted to have the disks auto-mount... |
| 12:07 | <moa> | For example i try to right click then "moun" with konqueror |
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| 12:07 | <moa> | if I launched it with su the devices aren't showed... |
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| 12:08 | <jpinx-eeepc> | moa: I have no idea in a gui but for vfat filesystems you need an option -o uid=1000 or similar |
| 12:08 | <jpinx-eeepc> | and for ntfs you need something like ntfs-3g |
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| 12:09 | <moa> | got ntfs-3g |
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| 12:10 | <stinkyfax> | hi all |
| 12:10 | <jpinx-eeepc> | moa: same option in ntfs-3g to make sure the appropriate user has write ability |
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| 12:11 | <moa> | which option? |
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| 12:12 | <stinkyfax> | How do I make my gameserver logs not be as root + write protected? |
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| 12:12 | <stinkyfax> | I want ftp authorized users being able to delete logs |
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| 12:12 | <moa> | the problem is that I can mount in a terminal but nothing in the GUI |
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| 12:13 | <jpinx-eeepc> | moa: the option I told you |
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| 12:14 | <stinkyfax> | anyone? |
| 12:14 | <moa> | ok |
| 12:14 | <moa> | what -o uid=1000 do? |
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| 12:16 | <moa> | it works |
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| 12:17 | <pipe> | uid=1000 should make all files belong to you |
| 12:17 | <moa> | oh ok i see it |
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| 12:19 | <moa> | but I will have to do this each time I want to access the disk, right? Is there any way to avoid a batch file? |
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| 12:20 | <edbian> | I understand that anybody can take the linux kernel code and make changes to it. How is it that the kernel doesn't fork in 100 different directions? Is there some central authority on what changes make it into the kernel and what changes don't? |
| 12:20 | <jhutchins_lt> | edbian: Essentially, and mostly it's still Linus Torvalds that decides. |
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| 12:21 | <edbian> | jhutchins_lt, So Linus is the central authority? What happens when he dies / stops doing it? |
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| 12:21 | <jhutchins_lt> | THere are other members of the team. http://kernel.org/faq/ |
| 12:21 | <cahoot> | God takes over |
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| 12:22 | <jhutchins_lt> | edbian: Essentially it's popularity and acceptance of authority. If people think you're doing it right, they're going to support and follow you. If you make bad decisions, someone else with a better idea will get the followers. |
| 12:22 | <jhutchins_lt> | edbian: It doesn't work perfectly, but it works. |
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| 12:23 | <stinkyfax> | how can I change my gameserver making log files from root rw-r-r to rw-rw-rw automatically? |
| 12:23 | <jhutchins_lt> | Case inpoint: Mandrake/Mandriva had a good product and a good following. Then they started making bad decisions and releasing bad code. They have crashed, burned, and forked. |
| 12:23 | <jhutchins_lt> | stinkyfax: Why do you want to do that? |
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| 12:24 | <stinkyfax> | i can't let my admin group from ftp remove old logs |
| 12:24 | <stinkyfax> | we are debugging new mod and old logs make it hard to read debug messages |
| 12:24 | <edbian> | jhutchins_lt, People have different idea of what is good and bad. Is it basically majority rules and the people that maintain the kernel.org website present the most popular kernel? |
| 12:24 | <jhutchins_lt> | stinkyfax: Read up on sudo. |
| 12:25 | <jhutchins_lt> | edbian: This is really not on-topic for this channel, which is supposed to be debian support. |
| 12:25 | <edbian> | I am beginning to accept the idea that there are probably dozens of kernels floating around right now all of which are the "best" in someone's opinion. |
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| 12:25 | <edbian> | jhutchins_lt, Ok |
| 12:25 | <stinkyfax> | i've tried to put "su ftpuser" before server launch command in startup script, it still launches as root |
| 12:25 | <edbian> | jhutchins_lt, Thanks for the help up to this point. |
| 12:25 | <stinkyfax> | what have I done wrong there? |
| 12:25 | <jhutchins_lt> | stinkyfax: Read up on sudo. |
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| 12:26 | <jhutchins_lt> | edbian: Check out that faq. Essentially you're right. |
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| 12:26 | <ikey> | he quit :S |
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| 12:26 | <stinkyfax> | ok, will I get the answer in 'man sudo'? :) |
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| 12:27 | <ikey> | You'll find plenty answers in there stinkyfax. |
| 12:28 | <jhutchins_lt> | !sudo |
| 12:28 | <dpkg> | [sudo][sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 12:28 | <stinkyfax> | :) |
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| 12:30 | <locklace> | i hope that "good in scripts" bit was meant to be ironic |
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| 12:33 | <c0sgrove> | Hi! what i need to send mail with the comando echo "teste" | mail -s ...... |
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| 12:34 | <ikey> | test or teste? .. nvm. |
| 12:34 | <llutz> | !nullmailer |
| 12:34 | <dpkg> | from memory, nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays, packaged for Debian. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>. |
| 12:34 | <llutz> | c0sgrove: ^^ |
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| 12:35 | <llutz> | c0sgrove: or for local delivery of mails a "real" mta like exim4, postfix |
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| 12:35 | <c0sgrove> | llutz for example: echo $HOSTNAME - Test | mail -s "[Hi] " wsm1th@gmail.com |
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| 12:36 | <c0sgrove> | llutz: only apt-get instal postfix it works? |
| 12:36 | <llutz> | c0sgrove: msmtp/ssmtp should be fine i |
| 12:36 | <stinkyfax> | sudo explains how users can run operations as roots, but it doens't say anything how I can let my ftp users remove files (ftp users don't have ssh access) |
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| 12:37 | <mAniAk-> | stinkyfax: i dont see how sudo goes into the picture here |
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| 12:38 | <stinkyfax> | I was adviced to go to sudo manual to find the answer to my issue |
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| 12:39 | <stinkyfax> | my server creates logs as root with rw-r-r, I need ftp users being able to remove logs. is there anything better than cronjob each 10 sec with chmod command? |
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| 12:40 | <pipe> | tell your server not to create logs as root? |
| 12:40 | <pipe> | create logs with a specific group, rw-rw-r--, add users to log group |
| 12:41 | <stinkyfax> | server is closed source, I don't know how to tell him that |
| 12:42 | <stinkyfax> | maybe you do? :) |
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| 12:43 | <stinkyfax> | pipe: how can I tell server make it rw-rw-? |
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| 12:44 | <pipe> | Well if it's closed source, why do you ask here? |
| 12:44 | <pipe> | What part is running debian? |
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| 12:44 | <pipe> | And what is "server"? |
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| 12:45 | <ikey> | Surely if its closed source the developers provide sufficient documentation, otherwise one has to wonder what prompted you into using a non-supported closed-source "solution" |
| 12:45 | <supplicant> | ikey: managers |
| 12:46 | <ikey> | ..thats actually a good answer |
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| 12:46 | * | ikey shuddups |
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| 12:46 | <stinkyfax> | debian is running launcher script, server is SRCDS (source dedicated server) - half-life2 engine |
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| 12:47 | <pipe> | I doubt you're supposed to run that server as root in the first place though |
| 12:47 | <pipe> | A good server should log to syslog using the standard interfaces that's been in place for decades |
| 12:48 | <stinkyfax> | I can't judge whether it's good or bad, but logs are goign into server_path/log folder |
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| 12:48 | <pipe> | If it doesn't, then I suppose one option would be to change the users with a loop script |
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| 12:49 | <stinkyfax> | and I tried running it as ftpuser adding "su ftpuser" in script before launch command |
| 12:49 | <pipe> | while you're changing the user, you could also compress them. |
| 12:49 | <stinkyfax> | for some reason it still launches as root |
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| 12:50 | <pipe> | stinkyfax: That's probably because "su ftpuser" fails becuase ftpuser doesn't have a default shell etc |
| 12:50 | <stinkyfax> | I see, so I need to add a cronjob with something like chown -R ..path/log |
| 12:50 | <pipe> | You could add a cronjob yes, the fastest cron can do is once/minute |
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| 12:55 | <tuvwx> | this is going to murder ubuntu: http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/12/index.en.html#1 |
| 12:56 | * | ikey looks |
| 12:57 | <ikey> | ...aha.. |
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| 12:58 | * | ikey shuffles awkwardly |
| 12:59 | <pipe> | What was mint before debian? |
| 12:59 | <ikey> | Ubuntu based. |
| 12:59 | <pipe> | Hum ok |
| 12:59 | <ikey> | The Ubuntu-based Mints will still continue, LMDE is a separate edition |
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| 12:59 | <pipe> | So I can't see how it will murder ubuntu |
| 13:00 | <ikey> | Me either.. we never set out with that intention either |
| 13:00 | <mAniAk-> | we? |
| 13:00 | <ikey> | er. heh. |
| 13:00 | <pipe> | People won't switch from Ubuntu to Mint just because they changed sources.list ;p |
| 13:00 | <pipe> | anyway, now walk the dog -> |
| 13:00 | <ikey> | mAniAk-: im a mint dev |
| 13:01 | <llutz> | people change from one to another distro just because it has nicer wallpapers :( |
| 13:01 | <mAniAk-> | figured so |
| 13:01 | <ikey> | llutz: hope not :/ |
| 13:01 | <ikey> | anywho. </offtopic> from me.. |
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| 13:02 | <tuvwx> | my personal feeling is that although ubuntu is better suited for the desktop than debian in its current state, it's no where near debian's quality of packages. LMDE is the solution: desktop oriented debian packages - the best of the two worlds; hence the murder |
| 13:02 | <mAniAk-> | im hating ubuntu tho |
| 13:03 | <mAniAk-> | keeps turning on my laptop screen when i have an external connected and want to use that one only |
| 13:03 | <tuvwx> | i always use debian for my desktops/laptops, but i hesitate to recommend it to first-time linux users |
| 13:04 | <tuvwx> | llutz: you must admit, debian's wallpapers aren't that great |
| 13:04 | <mAniAk-> | its at work and it was the only cd lying around |
| 13:04 | <llutz> | tuvwx: i don't care about those things |
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| 13:05 | <ikey> | aesthetics are only a minor sub-detail imo.. im more interested in a system that works first and provides a 1st class experience using a renowned base, *then* the aesthetics can be considered.. again. </offtopic> :) |
| 13:05 | <tuvwx> | llutz: me neigher. but it does affect people's impressions about the distribution. do no underestimate the polish effect |
| 13:06 | <llutz> | tuvwx: and i don't care about "new users" too |
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| 13:06 | <tuvwx> | anyway. i'm excited about LMDE, and hope it fills that gap |
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| 13:07 | <ikey> | tuvwx: with time we'll get there.. I need to bring the installer up to scratch first.. |
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| 13:07 | <tuvwx> | btw, i'm having a hard time getting ot the linuxmint blog |
| 13:08 | <ikey> | same, we've gone pretty much overloaded since lmde release.. |
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| 13:08 | <tuvwx> | heh.. i'm not the only one getting excited then |
| 13:08 | <ikey> | ^^ |
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| 13:11 | <jhutchins_lt> | ikey: It would be really cool if you could persuade the people at Mint NOT to claim that what they're distributing IS Debian - it's not. |
| 13:12 | <jhutchins_lt> | ikey: We're already getting people in the debian channels insisting that we must help them with their Mint problems because the software in question "is Debian". |
| 13:12 | <ikey> | jhutchins: Wasn't aware that had happened :S I thought it was just said it was based on testing and compatible with the debian repos. |
| 13:12 | <ikey> | It wasnt stated its "debian". I'm insistent people use the proper channels |
| 13:12 | <ikey> | We have a dedicated channel on SpotChat for it, and a forum section |
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| 13:12 | <ikey> | I think my statement still exists on Debian forums regarding that |
| 13:13 | <jhutchins_lt> | ikey: The about page sure looks like it's claiming to be debian from my reading. |
| 13:14 | <ikey> | Which page would that be? |
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| 13:15 | <jhutchins_lt> | The page that describes what LMDE is. |
| 13:15 | <ikey> | jhutchins_lt: Might be better if this was took to PM, save keep going offtopic in here. |
| 13:15 | <jhutchins_lt> | That's ok, I've had my say. |
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| 13:15 | <ikey> | or... ok. |
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| 13:16 | <tuvwx> | ikey: when will a 64-bit version be available? |
| 13:16 | <ikey> | tuvwx: #debian-offtopic ? :) |
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| 13:21 | <qq-> | mint discussions > /j #mint-lmde |
| 13:22 | <ikey> | qq-: I thought #debian-offtopic would do.. ok. |
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| 13:23 | <jhutchins_lt> | ikey: Better to establish the habit of not talking about Mint in debian channels. |
| 13:24 | <ikey> | Wasn't me who started the convo :) |
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| 13:25 | <jhutchins_lt> | True, but an opportunity to do the right thing nonetheless. |
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| 13:26 | <ikey> | k. |
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| 13:29 | <Guest311> | hola |
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| 13:30 | <Guest311> | que es debian? |
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| 13:31 | <Guest311> | hola |
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| 13:31 | <Guest311> | knoppix ? |
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| 13:38 | <knoppix__> | hola |
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| 13:39 | <Guest314> | podrian ayudarme a ser usuario avanzado de knoppix no tengo ni nivel basico por favor |
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| 13:39 | <bremner> | !tell Guest314 -about knoppix |
| 13:40 | <Guest314> | si |
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| 14:01 | <Brian_R> | Anyone active happen to be running sid with the hexer package installed (or willing to install it)? |
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| 14:04 | <bremner> | version is the same in squeeze, fwiw |
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| 14:06 | <Brian_R> | Yeah, it is. |
| 14:06 | <bremner> | Brian_R: no time now, but ping me later (3 or 4 hours) if you still need help. |
| 14:06 | <Brian_R> | Alright. |
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| 14:10 | <EmleyMoor> | Why, when I choose an appropriate keyboard layout via kbd-config, does it not survive a reboot? |
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| 14:11 | <Brian_R> | EmleyMoor, doesn't answer your question, but from kbd-config(8): kbd-config is a wrapper script around dpkg-reconfigure console-data. |
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| 14:12 | <EmleyMoor> | Yes... aware of that... |
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| 14:14 | <Brian_R> | What system are you running? |
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| 14:15 | <EmleyMoor> | amd64 - effect seen in squeeze and sid. In lenny, I had to make the layout myself |
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| 14:17 | <tr> | hey, i need some help |
| 14:18 | <EmleyMoor> | tr: Just ask |
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| 14:18 | * | jhutchins decides to go shave while he waits for a relevant question. |
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| 14:38 | <Brian_R> | bremner, thanks for the offer of assistance, but another squeeze user tested it for me; the bug I was looking for help with version-pinning was lenny-only (597646) |
| 14:38 | <bremner> | Brian_R: ok |
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| 14:46 | <c0sgrove> | nobody? |
| 14:46 | <EmleyMoor> | nobody what? |
| 14:47 | <c0sgrove> | know reply my question, |
| 14:47 | <c0sgrove> | ? |
| 14:48 | <c0sgrove> | So, I was configure an VPN PPTP in my pfSense with server address 192.168.0.5/32 with temove adress range 192.168.0.100 and i make an configuration on users, i was set IPs, user1 = 192.168.0.110, user2= 192.168.0.111; when i login on VPN my log file says: login,pptpd0,192.168.0.110,user1. great! when i logout on VPN logout,pptpd0,,192.168.0.5/32. it's not great! ;/ because don't show the user that logout how can i made it? |
| 14:48 | <c0sgrove> | for example: logout,pptpd0,192.168.0.110,user1 please! |
| 14:48 | <EmleyMoor> | Not my thing... |
| 14:49 | <c0sgrove> | hahaha. |
| 14:49 | <c0sgrove> | LuLz\ |
| 14:49 | <pipe> | tl;dr |
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| 14:59 | <foxxer> | who here is a hacker? |
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| 15:03 | <pipe> | My name is Anderson, just like Neo! |
| 15:03 | <pipe> | Ok actually Andersson with two s |
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| 15:14 | <ashish> | hi |
| 15:14 | <ashish> | need some help regarding code igniter |
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| 15:14 | <ashish> | can someone help me |
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| 15:16 | <neglesaks> | any suggestions for deleting troublesome files and directories, even when im the owner of said directories, and "apply these permissions to all" seems to do nothing? |
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| 15:16 | <jordanm> | neglesaks: what error do you get? is the sticky bit set on the directory? |
| 15:16 | <neglesaks> | just a sec jordanm |
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| 15:17 | <pipe> | neglesaks: My suggestion is to do it in a terminal |
| 15:17 | <neglesaks> | yeah, next attempt is rm ... |
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| 15:36 | <peter_> | thank you for the suggestions. i managed to nuke the folder. god bless rm |
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| 15:41 | <neglesaks> | thanks for the suggestions. |
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| 15:42 | <dupondje> | I have a small issue. When I reboot my main node, virtual servers doesn't start: Sep 21 21:28:51 cloud libvirtd: 21:28:51.046: error : qemudReadLogOutput:2118 : internal error Process exited while reading console log output: char device redirected to /dev/pts/1#012could not open /dev/net/tun: Permission denied#012 |
| 15:42 | <dupondje> | when its booted completely, I just restart libvirt-bin, and they start without issues ... any idea ? |
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| 15:49 | <edgar> | Mint is verbotten in #debian? |
| 15:49 | <edgar> | why, what is it based on? |
| 15:50 | <kop> | !based on debian |
| 15:50 | <dpkg> | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:50 | <edgar> | ok, I'm neither supporting that nor otherwise, I |
| 15:50 | <edgar> | sorry, |
| 15:51 | <edgar> | I'm merely asking |
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| 15:51 | <edgar> | I thought maybe it was inapropriate for being based on fedora |
| 15:52 | <kop> | edgar: Nah. We have a topic. |
| 15:52 | <edgar> | anyway, I fully support debian, I even went to the last debconf, and have been running only debian in both my personal machines and server |
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| 15:52 | <edgar> | ok |
| 15:53 | <dupondje> | edgar: mint is baed on ubuntu |
| 15:53 | <dupondje> | ubuntu on debian |
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| 15:55 | <edgar> | no prob |
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| 15:55 | <jhutchins_lt> | There's a new version based on squeeze directly instead of ubuntu, but it's still not debian. |
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| 15:56 | <jhutchins_lt> | Not sure to what extent using debian configuration or installing debian packages can harm their system. |
| 15:56 | <edgar> | ahh, well, there's an interesting question, is the 'being based on relation' transitive? |
| 15:56 | <jordanm> | !based on debian |
| 15:56 | <dpkg> | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:56 | <edgar> | I might say yes, but others might not |
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| 15:56 | <edgar> | ohh, I understand what is and isn't debian |
| 15:57 | <ikey> | edgar: If its not Debian from the Debian guys then its not supported in here. simples :) |
| 15:57 | <jhutchins_lt> | edgar: Not sure what you mean by "transitive". |
| 15:57 | <edgar> | anyway, as I said, dpkg, my distro is debian, that's why I'm here, I'm not connected with Mint |
| 15:58 | <edgar> | transitive := a relation such that 'a is related to b' and 'b is related to c' imply that 'a is related to c' |
| 15:58 | <pipe> | dpkg: well, what do you say about that? |
| 15:58 | <dpkg> | i don't know, pipe |
| 15:59 | <edgar> | thx ikey, I get it |
| 15:59 | <rpetre> | edgar, pipe: dpkg is a bot :) |
| 15:59 | <pipe> | dpkg: are you? |
| 15:59 | <edgar> | ohh, shucks, thats embarrasing |
| 15:59 | <dpkg> | pipe: i haven't a clue |
| 15:59 | <rpetre> | !bot |
| 15:59 | <edgar> | thx rpetre |
| 15:59 | <rpetre> | :) |
| 15:59 | <edgar> | so he's just mindlessly enforcing policy |
| 15:59 | <edgar> | cool! |
| 15:59 | <pipe> | !cool |
| 15:59 | <dpkg> | it's spelled cool! get it right!! |
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| 16:00 | <edgar> | &8-D |
| 16:00 | <rpetre> | or just repeating stuff that needs repeating often 'round here |
| 16:00 | <edgar> | then... /me is getting up |
| 16:00 | <edgar> | hah |
| 16:00 | <edgar> | im not a newb at linux or unix |
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| 16:00 | <edgar> | but sometimes i feel like a newb at irc |
| 16:00 | <edgar> | hadnt used it for years |
| 16:01 | <pipe> | I mostly feel a newb at everything |
| 16:01 | <edgar> | anyway |
| 16:01 | * | edgar is getting up |
| 16:01 | * | edgar is going to play a video game with my son |
| 16:01 | <pipe> | "with my son", right |
| 16:01 | <edgar> | be cool everyone, ciao! |
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| 16:01 | <edgar> | his, sorry |
| 16:01 | <edgar> | takes some getting used to |
| 16:02 | <pipe> | I meant.. yeah, convenient excuse for playing videogames |
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| 16:03 | <_pepo_> | Hi friends |
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| 16:05 | <_pepo_> | I was trying to install Squeeze (KDE or LXDE) using the last CD in the server of Debian but those CDs are wrong, because they don't have all the packages |
| 16:05 | <pipe> | Should a CD have all packages? |
| 16:05 | <pipe> | Or do you mean you failed to install because it relied on something that was missing? |
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| 16:07 | <_pepo_> | I mean, that if you try to install using debian-testing-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso or debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso then you have problems because it don't have all the necesary to be installed |
| 16:07 | <_pepo_> | for example GRUB2 |
| 16:07 | <edgar> | that he is pipe, more than an excuse, a constant reminder to play them |
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| 16:08 | <edgar> | hah, Ive installed from the x86, the regular 32 bit version, and its worked like a charm on two old machines |
| 16:09 | <edgar> | maybe the problem is something else |
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| 16:09 | <edgar> | if it lacks grub2 it's probably using legacy, I find it hard to think the installer ships without any version of grub |
| 16:10 | <edgar> | what would it be using, LILO? |
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| 16:10 | <f8ld> | _pepo_: Report that to debian-cd if you are sure it's a bug.. |
| 16:10 | <edgar> | that being said, I already heard from a couple of people having probs with grub2, |
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| 16:11 | <edgar> | so if you have a choice, maybe you should try legacy |
| 16:11 | <_pepo_> | i am sure about that... i am going to see the address of debian-cd |
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| 16:11 | <f8ld> | _pepo_: They're testing though – they might not work as the name implies, but it's strange. |
| 16:11 | <edgar> | if its a bug with something as basic as the bootloader, maybe someone else already reported it |
| 16:11 | <edgar> | if not, and you're sure, by all means report it |
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| 16:12 | <_pepo_> | ok, I write now in #debian-cd |
| 16:13 | <edgar> | testing is certainly not meant to be completely without bugs |
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| 16:13 | * | edgar joined that channel, he's curious about the answer |
| 16:13 | <_pepo_> | :) |
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| 16:14 | <kendall> | edgar: I'd venture to guess that they're all "meant" to be without bugs, just do to the nature of testing, it doesn't always work out that way. |
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| 16:16 | <_pepo_> | ok, Maybe "testing" is not without errors but I thing that have to be installable :) |
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| 16:17 | <mjampala> | Is there a known problem with busybox's getty dieing badly |
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| 16:21 | <jhutchins_lt> | _pepo_: Until recently it wasn't, the only way was to install lenny & do a dist-upgrade. |
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| 16:21 | <jhutchins_lt> | _pepo_: It's not meant to be a release yet, it's meant to be an experiment to find wher it goes wrong. |
| 16:22 | <jhutchins_lt> | _pepo_: Also, Debian has something like 30,000 packages available - no, they're not all on a 750M CD. |
| 16:23 | <jhutchins_lt> | _pepo_: Most distros require 2-3 CD's for a full installation these days. |
| 16:23 | * | jhutchins_lt remembers when whole distros _did_ fit on one CD. |
| 16:23 | <f8ld> | _pepo_: Additionally Debian has now problems with space. debian-cd people are trying to make it fit under the size limit. |
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| 16:24 | <_pepo_> | ok, I think that the work of debian is terrific, I say that "now" the CDs of testing have problems because before you could use these only one CD to install the base and then use Internet to install others packages |
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| 16:25 | * | f8ld does not understand _pepo_. :-( |
| 16:26 | <amphi> | _pepo_: there's no netinstall iso ATM? |
| 16:27 | <kendall> | Consider that most CD's are only 700 MB, and then also consider that not all people have easy internet access with the base package selection that might be included on a CD, it makes for some interesting stuff sometimes. |
| 16:27 | <_pepo_> | ok, you can use netinstall but the others CDs maybe need any little package so we have to wait for the next week when appear the new ISOs |
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| 16:28 | <Dominus> | Hi :D |
| 16:28 | <jhutchins_lt> | _pepo_: If you had a specific problem with packages you needed not being on the CD, you should report it so people can be aware of it and fix it. |
| 16:28 | <Dominus> | Where should I install stuff to use it like $ sudo java instead of $ sudo ./../java/bin/java |
| 16:28 | <_pepo_> | I made that in #debian-cd |
| 16:28 | <Dominus> | If what I said even makes sense :o |
| 16:28 | <f8ld> | _pepo_: Is it impossible now to use normal CDs like netinstalls? |
| 16:29 | <jhutchins_lt> | _pepo_: Talking about stuff on irc does not constitute reporting it. |
| 16:29 | <jhutchins_lt> | _pepo_: For the most part we are just fellow users. |
| 16:29 | <kendall> | ^ What he said. |
| 16:29 | <f8ld> | Dominus: "sudo java"? Why sudo? |
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| 16:29 | <_pepo_> | ok, you are right (but sometimes people of the project can be here) |
| 16:30 | <Dominus> | f8ld: okay then just $ java (didn't know how to write it correctly) :) |
| 16:30 | <kendall> | Still, the official support and bug tracking channels are there for a reason. |
| 16:30 | <Dominus> | So. How to use it as $ java COMMAND instead of $ ./java/bin/java COMMAND |
| 16:30 | <kendall> | And by "channels" I don't mean IRC. |
| 16:31 | <f8ld> | Dominus: Did you use APT to ge java? |
| 16:31 | <f8ld> | Dominus: s/ge/get/ |
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| 16:31 | <Dominus> | f8ld: it's on my vps.. so I don't use any of those package installer thingys |
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| 16:31 | <Dominus> | I just download the package from java.com and install it |
| 16:31 | <Dominus> | or.. run the bin file |
| 16:32 | <ikey> | Which installs to the current directory |
| 16:32 | <ikey> | So if in /opt/ it'll install to /opt/blahblah |
| 16:32 | <kendall> | Which doesn't necessarily mean it's in the system PATH. |
| 16:32 | <ikey> | You need to update the $PATH variable to point to the /bin directory of the Java binaries |
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| 16:32 | <ikey> | Or you coulda just installed sun-java6-jre .. |
| 16:33 | <f8ld> | Dominus: A workaround would be to add java directory to the $PATH, but I don't recommend that. |
| 16:33 | <ikey> | f8ld: Confused as to how a known process is a workaround? |
| 16:33 | <ikey> | Oracle (and Sun before them) distribute JRE/JDK in self-extracting shell-scripts |
| 16:33 | <f8ld> | ikey: Or better openjdk-6-jre. |
| 16:33 | <Dominus> | f8ld: i found out. I can put it in /bin |
| 16:34 | <ikey> | f8ld: Depends on the user. OpenJDK6 isnt up to standard, and wont be till OpenJDK7 (which will be fully on par with Oracle's implementation) |
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| 16:34 | <Dominus> | but.. it can't find the files.. but now I at least know where to put it lol :D |
| 16:34 | <f8ld> | Dominus: Why to do such things by hand? |
| 16:34 | <ikey> | Package manager ftw :P |
| 16:35 | <Dominus> | I don't know how to do it elsehow? |
| 16:35 | <kendall> | sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
| 16:35 | <Dominus> | why the hell didn't I know that command? :D |
| 16:35 | <ikey> | Or: su -c 'apt-get install openjdk-6-jre' |
| 16:36 | <Dominus> | woot.. |
| 16:36 | <ikey> | Which has got to be the most redundant clueless package name ever.. |
| 16:36 | <Dominus> | don't mess with my brain tyvm |
| 16:36 | <kendall> | Depending upon the status of your sudoers file I guess. :) |
| 16:36 | <ikey> | Open Java Development Kit 6 Java Runtime Environment |
| 16:36 | <ikey> | -_- |
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| 16:37 | <f8ld> | ikey: openjdk is a project name and jre is component. What's wrong with that? |
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| 16:38 | <ikey> | You don't see the problem with that? |
| 16:38 | <ikey> | JDK means Java Development Kit |
| 16:38 | <ikey> | Always has done. |
| 16:38 | <ikey> | JRE means Java Runtime Environment, always has done. |
| 16:38 | <ikey> | So OpenJDK-6-JRE is just the worst name ever. |
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| 16:38 | <ikey> | openjdk-6-runtime would make much more sense. |
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| 16:39 | <jhutchins_lt> | They've always made a muck of java, assuming a full development environment as a base condition. |
| 16:39 | <ikey> | what? |
| 16:40 | <jhutchins_lt> | At times it's been impossible to find a jre except within a jdk. |
| 16:40 | <ikey> | I've never had an issue getting a JRE since before Java 1.3... |
| 16:40 | <ikey> | JDK or not.. |
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| 16:41 | <f8ld> | ikey: Or maybe simply call it java? No. Packages name must follow a scheme in order to limit the mess, as there are thousands of them. |
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| 16:42 | <ikey> | f8ld: I'm fully aware of how packaging works, the naming schemes and indeed have more than sufficient knowledge in Java. I'm merely pointing out the name is redundant and useless in terms of Java itself. |
| 16:43 | <kendall> | f8ld: This doesn't appear to be a versioning issue. |
| 16:43 | <kendall> | Or a naming convention issue. |
| 16:43 | <Dominus> | guys |
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| 16:44 | <ikey> | gtg. bbiab |
| 16:44 | <Dominus> | how do I find available packages to install with the apt-get? |
| 16:44 | <kendall> | Just something that seems to make a little less sense than a certain login might dictate. |
| 16:44 | <ikey> | Dominus: apt-cache search somename |
| 16:44 | <f8ld> | ikey: So you mean it has a RAS syndrome? ;-) |
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| 16:44 | <ikey> | f8ld: lol basically.. |
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| 16:46 | <Dominus> | omg |
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| 16:47 | <Dominus> | blue screen saying "Configuring sun-java6-jdk |
| 16:47 | <Dominus> | " |
| 16:47 | <Dominus> | Because I did --fix-missing |
| 16:47 | <jordanm> | !debconf |
| 16:47 | <dpkg> | [debconf][debconf] Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://wiki.debian.org/debconf http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html . Not to be confused with the yearly Debian Conference (DebConf): http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf https://www.debconf.org/ |
| 16:47 | <Dominus> | It says <Ok> in the bottom, but I can't click it ! Enter doesn't work :D |
| 16:47 | <ikey> | Tab. |
| 16:47 | <ikey> | Enter. |
| 16:47 | <Dominus> | aah |
| 16:47 | <Dominus> | thx :D |
| 16:47 | <ikey> | np |
| 16:47 | <ikey> | Its like pacman |
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| 16:47 | <ikey> | Without the graphics |
| 16:47 | <ikey> | ..or characters |
| 16:47 | <ikey> | ..or noises.. |
| 16:47 | <Dominus> | I am completely 100% inlove with Linux! |
| 16:47 | <Dominus> | It's the best operating system in the world ^__^ |
| 16:48 | <ptr> | I hope you two have a beautiful future together |
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| 16:48 | <Dominus> | :D |
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| 16:49 | <Dominus> | WooT! I love it when text is scrolling across the screen ^___^ |
| 16:49 | <Dominus> | I do not like the word Error though |
| 16:49 | * | ikey hands Dominus an iPad with a copy of the bible preloaded |
| 16:49 | * | kendall facepalms |
| 16:49 | <f8ld> | Dominus: That's the reason I still use slow terminal. :-P |
| 16:50 | <ikey> | f8ld: vga=792 =) |
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| 16:50 | <f8ld> | ikey: No. Modesetting. |
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| 16:51 | <Dominus> | Something happened! :o |
| 16:51 | <Dominus> | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 16:51 | <Dominus> | Error occurred during initialization of VM |
| 16:51 | <Dominus> | Could not reserve enough space for object heap |
| 16:51 | <Dominus> | Ignoring error generating classes.jsa |
| 16:51 | <Dominus> | Setting up sun-java6-jre (6-20-0lenny1) ... |
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| 16:51 | <Dominus> | lol, there is a paster bot? :D |
| 16:51 | <jordanm> | !paste |
| 16:51 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:51 | <jordanm> | Dominus: are you out of RAM? |
| 16:52 | <Dominus> | oh |
| 16:52 | <Dominus> | jordanm: I... don't hope so? |
| 16:52 | <ikey> | sure? oO |
| 16:52 | <ikey> | "Could not reserve enough space for object heap" not looking too good.. |
| 16:52 | <jordanm> | Dominus: free -m |
| 16:53 | <Dominus> | free 853 |
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| 16:55 | <Dominus> | ikey - Don't hate me now, but maybe I should close my running jar server thingy before installing java :D |
| 16:55 | * | ikey ponders what a thingy is |
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| 16:57 | <Dominus> | -.- |
| 16:57 | <Dominus> | ikey - A thingy = something something... server thingy = a game-server that I'm running |
| 16:57 | <Dominus> | Dominush-for-dummies :D |
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| 16:58 | <Dominus> | aaanyway ... |
| 16:58 | <Dominus> | It's says that sun-java6-jdk is already the newest version.. |
| 16:58 | <Dominus> | but it just failed? :S |
| 16:59 | <Dominus> | how do i uninstall something=? |
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| 16:59 | <kendall> | sudo apt-get remove <name> |
| 16:59 | <Dominus> | apt-get remove |
| 16:59 | <Dominus> | yeah |
| 16:59 | <Dominus> | thanks ;D |
| 16:59 | <kendall> | sudo apt-get purge <name> |
| 17:00 | <kendall> | If you want to erase every trace of it's existence. :) |
| 17:00 | <Dominus> | oh |
| 17:00 | <Dominus> | thx |
| 17:01 | <Dominus> | okay.. umm. is it possible to get a list over all installed packages? |
| 17:01 | <Dominus> | or is it seriously long+ |
| 17:01 | <kendall> | dpkg -l |
| 17:01 | <dpkg> | kendall: i don't know |
| 17:01 | <f8ld> | Dominus: It is. You may want to use aptitude. |
| 17:01 | <ikey> | do: dpkg --get-selections | less |
| 17:01 | <jordanm> | aptitude search ~i |
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| 17:01 | <ikey> | so many ways... :)) |
| 17:01 | <Dominus> | okay. it is quite long :D |
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| 17:02 | <Dominus> | anyway - I guess I have removed the sun java6 jdk for good now |
| 17:02 | <kendall> | You can always post the list to a text file by appending " > list" or something like that. |
| 17:02 | <Dominus> | both remove and purge used on it :D |
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| 17:02 | <stinkyfax> | hi everyone. I've got some serious and painful issues with my debian server :( |
| 17:02 | <Dominus> | kendall: how? |
| 17:02 | <Dominus> | explain in baby-terms please :D |
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| 17:02 | <Lethalman> | (yet another way) ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 17:02 | <Lethalman> | :P |
| 17:02 | <ikey> | :P |
| 17:02 | <kendall> | One destination, many roads. |
| 17:02 | <Dominus> | omg. My brain just had a meltdown :D |
| 17:03 | <stinkyfax> | 1. to reboot server i need to write "reboot" twice, first time gives a message but doesn't do anything, 2nd doesn't return anything but actually reboots server. |
| 17:03 | <ikey> | telinit 6 :D |
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| 17:03 | <stinkyfax> | 2. might be related to 1st: apache2, tomcat, cron do not start when server is loaded, I have to manually start them |
| 17:03 | <Dominus> | QUESTION: Is it possible to perform a command and create a textfile of it? Like.. the 'ls' ocmmand and all other tasks performed? |
| 17:03 | <rpetre> | stinkyfax: you probably need to wait a bit more between 1. and 2. |
| 17:03 | <lo0m> | ls > filename |
| 17:03 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: 1) what about shutdown -r now? 2) why? |
| 17:03 | <ikey> | Dominus: dpkg --get-selections > myList |
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| 17:03 | <stinkyfax> | i've been waiting 10 minutes, it is nto working like this |
| 17:04 | <lo0m> | ls >> filename to append |
| 17:04 | <Dominus> | awesome :D |
| 17:04 | <jordanm> | Dominus: see the REDIRECTION section of man bash |
| 17:04 | <petemc> | Dominus: theres also a command called script |
| 17:04 | <kendall> | Dominus: To post the output of a command to a text file, you can use > filename. Try this: "dpkg -l > list" and check the current directory. |
| 17:04 | <stinkyfax> | 2) I don't know why it is happening, I've tried to re-register them in dkp-init.d - files are there |
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| 17:04 | <ikey> | I thought you was on 3) now. |
| 17:04 | <stinkyfax> | I have to log in to ssh and start them myself |
| 17:04 | <Dominus> | jordanm: okay, thanks I will take a look. |
| 17:05 | <Dominus> | kendall: Okay, i will give it a try :) |
| 17:05 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: dkp-init.d? |
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| 17:05 | <stinkyfax> | well, the debian command to register files to be launched on start |
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| 17:05 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: update-rc.d, but its manpage recommends sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:05 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: what version of debian is this? |
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| 17:06 | <Dominus> | kendall: what da faack :o It's sooooooo long :D |
| 17:06 | <stinkyfax> | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:06 | <jordanm> | thats your kernel, version, a slight indication of which release your running. what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 17:06 | <stinkyfax> | what is sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:06 | <kendall> | Dominus: Yep, that's every package installed in your system. |
| 17:06 | <jordanm> | a command for managing run levels |
| 17:07 | <ikey> | ima guess lenny. |
| 17:07 | <Dominus> | kendall: Wow :o It's .. a lot :) |
| 17:07 | <Dominus> | Installing sun-java6-jdk now! :D |
| 17:07 | <stinkyfax> | 5.0.5 |
| 17:07 | <Dominus> | again :b |
| 17:07 | <stinkyfax> | sysv-rc-conf is unknown command for me |
| 17:07 | <Dominus> | umm |
| 17:07 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: your a point release behind. so how you have no idea how you managed to break it? |
| 17:07 | <jordanm> | !installit |
| 17:07 | <dpkg> | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 17:07 | <Dominus> | is it supposed to stop right after |
| 17:07 | <Dominus> | Setting up sun-java6-jdk (6-20-0lenny1) ... |
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| 17:08 | <kendall> | I've found that most "functional desktop" Debian and Debian-based systems tend to have at least 900 packages, usually many more than that. |
| 17:08 | <Dominus> | ? |
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| 17:08 | <Dominus> | kendall: that is quite a lot :o |
| 17:08 | <Dominus> | But I guess that's what's needed |
| 17:08 | <stinkyfax> | I did not do anything serious to the server, I don't know why it could be broken |
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| 17:08 | <Dominus> | My question D: |
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| 17:09 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: paste the output of: sysv-rc-conf --list |
| 17:09 | <rpetre> | is there some tool i can use to browse a list of files inside a .deb package without doing ar x && untar the data.tar.gz ? |
| 17:09 | <stinkyfax> | jordanm: thanks, give me a moment please |
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| 17:09 | <jordanm> | rpetre: dpkg --list-files |
| 17:09 | <Dominus> | :( |
| 17:10 | <ikey> | rpetre: gdebi (gtk) will show you graphically too. |
| 17:10 | <Dominus> | Is it supposed to end installing sun-java6-jdk right after "Setting up sun-java6-jdk (6-20-0lenny1) ..." |
| 17:10 | <ikey> | said it was lenny :P |
| 17:10 | <rpetre> | jordanm: my squeeze dpkg doesn't have that option |
| 17:10 | <jordanm> | rpetre: sorry, remove the extra "-" |
| 17:10 | <rpetre> | it needs it to be installed |
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| 17:11 | <rpetre> | i want to look inside an uninstalled (unofficial) package |
| 17:11 | <Dominus> | ikey: was? |
| 17:11 | <rpetre> | to make sure it doesn't overwrite stuff |
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| 17:11 | <jordanm> | rpetre: oh, right --contents |
| 17:11 | <stinkyfax> | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/NmbuM9ha <<< sysv-rc-conf --list |
| 17:11 | <ikey> | Dominus: s/was/is/ |
| 17:11 | * | ikey throws semantics at Dominus |
| 17:12 | <jordanm> | rpetre: it won't overwrite anything, dpkg will fail to install it if there are file conflicts |
| 17:12 | <rpetre> | jordanm: oh, silly me, it was in the error message :) |
| 17:12 | * | Dominus lols at ikey :D |
| 17:12 | <rpetre> | thanks |
| 17:12 | <Dominus> | it says that sun-java6-jdk is up-to-date |
| 17:12 | <Dominus> | now.. what do i do? |
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| 17:12 | <rpetre> | Dominus: run "which java" |
| 17:12 | <Dominus> | it says that the command $ java doesn't exist |
| 17:13 | <ikey> | owch |
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| 17:13 | <stinkyfax> | jordanm: is there something wrong? |
| 17:13 | <jordanm> | Dominus: update-java-alternatives --config java-6-sun |
| 17:13 | <rpetre> | Dominus: update-alternatives --list java -> does this command list anything ? |
| 17:14 | <rpetre> | :) |
| 17:14 | <jordanm> | Dominus: the jre provides the "java" binary |
| 17:14 | <Dominus> | hold on |
| 17:14 | <jordanm> | but it will also be a symlink, to /etc/alternatives/java |
| 17:14 | <Dominus> | just removed the files -.- |
| 17:14 | <Dominus> | installing it from fresh (also removed the sun-java6-jre) |
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| 17:15 | <Dominus> | olol. it seems right now |
| 17:15 | <Dominus> | still.. |
| 17:15 | <Dominus> | hold on |
| 17:15 | <Dominus> | okay |
| 17:15 | <Dominus> | just installed it |
| 17:15 | <Dominus> | i try which java |
| 17:16 | <Dominus> | it says "/usr/bin/java" |
| 17:16 | <jordanm> | !tell Dominus about enter |
| 17:16 | <stinkyfax> | jordanm: mind sparing a minute? ;-) |
| 17:16 | <ikey> | Dominus: its installed. go test it. |
| 17:16 | <Dominus> | jordanm: sorry (: |
| 17:16 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: no, your links look fine, I don't know what the issue is.. |
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| 17:16 | <Dominus> | ikey - I did. It says: -- $ java outputs "bash: /bin/java: No such file or directory" |
| 17:16 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: is it only those 3 init scripts that fail to start as intended or all of them? |
| 17:17 | <ikey> | Dominus: restart the terminal? |
| 17:17 | <ikey> | idk. |
| 17:17 | <stinkyfax> | maybe other, I don't know |
| 17:17 | <Dominus> | ikey olol :D |
| 17:17 | <rpetre> | is there a broken symlink in /bin/java ? |
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| 17:18 | <stinkyfax> | acpid is running |
| 17:18 | <rpetre> | debian installs the proper symlink in /usr/bin/java |
| 17:18 | <ikey> | yeah bit confused as to why a /bin/java would exist.. |
| 17:18 | <stinkyfax> | looks like only few of them, not all |
| 17:18 | <stinkyfax> | can you please explain me the difference between those states? 1,2,3,4,5...S |
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| 17:18 | <Dominus> | well, if i do $ /usr/bin/java - it works... but I sort of did this to be able to do $ java :) |
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| 17:19 | <f8l> | Dominus: `file /bin/java` |
| 17:19 | <ikey> | Dominus: do: file /bin/java |
| 17:19 | <ikey> | ..lol. |
| 17:19 | <f8l> | ikey: :-) |
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| 17:20 | <stinkyfax> | why I can not see all the services in sysv runlevel config? I have few custom but they are not in the table |
| 17:20 | <Dominus> | $ file /bin/java = /bin/java: ERROR: cannot open `/bin/java' (No such file or directory) |
| 17:20 | <ikey> | erm. |
| 17:20 | <Dominus> | Yeah :/ |
| 17:20 | <ikey> | It'd say broken symlink if it was a broken symlink.. |
| 17:21 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: do they have init scripts marked as executable in /etc/init.d? |
| 17:21 | <f8l> | ikey: I was thinking the same. |
| 17:21 | <Dominus> | Can I make a symlink? (is symlink = shortcut?) |
| 17:21 | <jordanm> | Dominus: /usr/bin/java |
| 17:21 | <Dominus> | jordanm: ? |
| 17:21 | <jordanm> | people were saying /bin/java which I am almost certain is wrong |
| 17:21 | <ikey> | f8l: Unless /bin/java is a left-over hard link. which does be a worrying concept. |
| 17:21 | <Dominus> | I am aswell |
| 17:21 | <Dominus> | file /usr/bin/java = /usr/bin/java: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/java' |
| 17:22 | <jordanm> | Dominus: /usr/bin/java should be a symlink to /etc/alternatives/java |
| 17:22 | <f8l> | If there was a symlink in /bin it would shadow a link in /usr/bin. Am I right? |
| 17:22 | <jordanm> | yep, thats correct, so whats the problem? |
| 17:22 | <Dominus> | lol, read above :D |
| 17:22 | <jordanm> | f8l: whatever comes first in PATH would be used |
| 17:22 | <Dominus> | jordanm: the problem is, I can't write $ java what-ever-java-commands-here .. I have to write $ /usr/bin/java java-commands-here |
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| 17:22 | <ikey> | ls -l /bin/java |
| 17:22 | <ikey> | @ Dominus |
| 17:22 | <rpetre> | Dominus: rm /bin/java |
| 17:22 | <jordanm> | Dominus: because of a non-debian java install left over? |
| 17:23 | <ikey> | Might just be a broken double-symlink like f8l said. |
| 17:23 | <Dominus> | jordanm: I don't know :/ |
| 17:23 | <ikey> | If its useless su -c 'rm /bin/java' |
| 17:23 | <Dominus> | ikey: it says no such file or directory |
| 17:23 | <Dominus> | there is not a java file in /bin |
| 17:23 | <ikey> | So your terminal is being an idiot. |
| 17:23 | <jordanm> | Dominus: hash -r; java |
| 17:23 | <ikey> | basically |
| 17:24 | <rpetre> | jordanm++ |
| 17:24 | <Dominus> | jordanm: what does hash do? |
| 17:24 | <ikey> | (this is why I said restart the terminal. but hash is cool too) |
| 17:24 | <ikey> | Dominus: hash -r makes it forget all remembered locations |
| 17:24 | <jordanm> | your shell remembers the locations of commands by "hashing" them. -r tells it to forget all remembered locations |
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| 17:25 | <jordanm> | this way, it does not need to scan your PATH each time a command is reran |
| 17:25 | <Dominus> | ah.. |
| 17:25 | * | ikey surmises his view was correct |
| 17:25 | <ikey> | terminal was an idiot :P |
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| 17:26 | <stinkyfax> | jordanm: yes they have init scripts, example: /etc/init.d/cstrike.sh |
| 17:26 | <stinkyfax> | and they have o+x |
| 17:26 | <stinkyfax> | u+x |
| 17:26 | <Dominus> | Okay, I am confused.. but when I type java, a lot of text pops up.. looks like the manual or something |
| 17:26 | <Dominus> | Or.. usage manual or whatever it's called.. or it doesn't look like. it is |
| 17:27 | <Dominus> | so.. it works? :o |
| 17:27 | <f8l> | Dominus: That's good. |
| 17:27 | <ikey> | works. |
| 17:27 | <ikey> | Now go play :) |
| 17:27 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: pastebin the script |
| 17:27 | <f8l> | jordanm: You're a pro! |
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| 17:27 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: also, adding .sh to executables pushes some people's buttons :p |
| 17:27 | <Dominus> | jordanm: Thanks a lot! :o You are really good :) Ikey, rpetre, f8l and everyone else who also helped me. Thank you aswell! :) |
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| 17:28 | <jordanm> | Dominus: anytime :) |
| 17:28 | <ikey> | Dominus: Its fine :) |
| 17:28 | <ikey> | All major credit cards accepted... |
| 17:28 | <ikey> | j/k :P |
| 17:28 | <Dominus> | xD |
| 17:28 | <Dominus> | LOL |
| 17:28 | * | Dominus likes ikey |
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| 17:28 | <ikey> | ^^ |
| 17:28 | <Dominus> | ikey sounds like IKEA .__. |
| 17:28 | <ikey> | -_- |
| 17:28 | <Dominus> | sorry, but it does! :D |
| 17:28 | <ikey> | Quickest ending relationship ever.. |
| 17:28 | <stinkyfax> | jordanm: that's strange, i renamed it to withotu .sh and it appeared in table |
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| 17:28 | <Dominus> | LOL :D |
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| 17:28 | <stinkyfax> | I will try to disable all my custom init's and see what happens |
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| 17:29 | <Dominus> | does hash -r make the shell forget all paths? |
| 17:29 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: ah, now that you mention that, I see sysv-rc-conf does not display any that end .sh. this is generally considered bad practice anyways |
| 17:29 | <ikey> | Dominus: type: help hash |
| 17:29 | <Dominus> | ikey: where are you form? |
| 17:29 | <Dominus> | from* |
| 17:30 | <ikey> | Irish, living in England |
| 17:30 | <stinkyfax> | jordanm: how do I remove my old .sh with old command? I always forget those long command names |
| 17:30 | <ikey> | (you?) |
| 17:30 | <jordanm> | you don't call "ls" with "ls.elf", same with shell scripts |
| 17:30 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: just use mv, or rm if you already copied it |
| 17:30 | <stinkyfax> | :) |
| 17:30 | <stinkyfax> | ok |
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| 17:31 | <Dominus> | ikey: Nice! Sean Connery is irish(ish?) isn't he? :) |
| 17:31 | <Dominus> | And I'm from Denmark, living in Denmark |
| 17:31 | <stinkyfax> | there arel ike 10 .sh files in init.d which are not mine, like mountall.sh |
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| 17:31 | <stinkyfax> | is it normal? |
| 17:31 | <jordanm> | there is #debian-offtopic for that kind of chat |
| 17:31 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: yep, normal and still wrong IMO :) |
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| 17:32 | <Dominus> | ikey! |
| 17:32 | <stinkyfax> | so to restatr i can try "shutdown -r now"? |
| 17:33 | <ikey> | Dominus: /JOIN #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:33 | <stinkyfax> | I don't have physical access to it, so I am afraid of turning it off |
| 17:33 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: yes |
| 17:33 | <jordanm> | to turn it off, the -h is required |
| 17:33 | <stinkyfax> | oh nice, it worked on first attempt |
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| 17:40 | <angel> | hey |
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| 17:45 | <stinkyfax> | nice, after i turned off my custom init services are started |
| 17:45 | <stinkyfax> | nope, i am wrong |
| 17:45 | <stinkyfax> | apache2 is working, tomcat isn't |
| 17:46 | <stinkyfax> | ignore me, I did not add new tomcat script to launch |
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| 17:46 | <petionet> | hi |
| 17:46 | <petionet> | i can't install debian on my AMD duron i686 |
| 17:47 | <stinkyfax> | which states do I need to choose in sys-rf-config to make script run on launch? |
| 17:47 | <petionet> | what should i choose : [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] |
| 17:48 | <f8l> | petionet: i386 should work. |
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| 17:48 | <petionet> | thank you |
| 17:49 | <f8l> | petionet: I guess you chose amd64? ;-) |
| 17:49 | <petionet> | :( |
| 17:49 | <petionet> | yes |
| 17:49 | <petionet> | i read that i need amd64-k8 for single procesor amd |
| 17:50 | <mjampala> | Is there a known problem with busybox's getty dieing badly |
| 17:51 | <qq-> | mjampala, check(ed) bts ? |
| 17:51 | <f8l> | petionet: Where did you read that? |
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| 17:52 | <mjampala> | qq-, did you bean btrfs? |
| 17:52 | <qq-> | mjampala, /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:54 | <mjampala> | this isn't a debian platform |
| 17:54 | <mjampala> | it is my own custom kernel and rootfs |
| 17:55 | <qq-> | so ask #buildroot ? |
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| 17:56 | <stinkyfax> | can I use 'cd' inside of init script? or it will break next scripts? |
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| 17:59 | <petionet> | "Kernel panic - not cyncing: Attempted to kill init!" is it normal x( ? |
| 18:00 | <petionet> | syncing* |
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| 18:02 | <petionet> | when i choose graphic install - i get only black screen, when i choose only "Install" i get this error |
| 18:03 | <stinkyfax> | Where can I see info about system states? I can't find anything |
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| 18:03 | <stinkyfax> | getting redirected to some stupid unrelated stuff :( |
| 18:03 | <qq-> | petionet, install on laptop ? |
| 18:04 | <petionet> | no, PC |
| 18:04 | <petionet> | AMD Duron - single processor |
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| 18:04 | <qq-> | check memory ? |
| 18:04 | <petionet> | ram ? |
| 18:04 | <ikey> | ya |
| 18:04 | <qq-> | yes |
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| 18:04 | <petionet> | hmm |
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| 18:04 | <qq-> | run a live |
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| 18:05 | <qq-> | !live |
| 18:05 | <dpkg> | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
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| 18:06 | <petionet> | hm |
| 18:06 | <petionet> | but i don't need live cd |
| 18:06 | <stinkyfax> | how do I run script without input/output |
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| 18:07 | <qq-> | petionet, it's not about yours needs, is about to check your system |
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| 18:10 | <petionet> | okay i'll try |
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| 18:11 | <petionet> | i detected the problem |
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| 18:12 | <petionet> | ... the cpu overclock |
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| 18:16 | <anarcat> | i can't reportbug linux-2.6 it seems, i get Unable to connect to Debian BTS |
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| 18:17 | <HSBr> | Hi everybody |
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| 18:19 | <stinkyfax> | I am trying to start process without interraction: /etc/gameserver/srcds/orangebox/startup.sh > dev/null 2>&1 |
| 18:19 | <Dominus> | "java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar file.jar nogui" <-- What does the -Xmx1024M and -Xms1024M mean? |
| 18:19 | <stinkyfax> | i get 'unknown file/folder dev/null' |
| 18:19 | <bremner> | anarcat: same here |
| 18:20 | <anarcat> | lovely |
| 18:20 | <anarcat> | this is getting aggravating |
| 18:20 | <retrospectacus> | Dominus: something to do with max memory allowed |
| 18:20 | <qq-> | anarcat, works here |
| 18:20 | <Dominus> | Okay. I figured so |
| 18:20 | <Dominus> | Just didn't know exactly |
| 18:20 | <retrospectacus> | Dominus: google would know the details :) |
| 18:20 | <Dominus> | But thanks retrospectacus :) |
| 18:20 | <blarson> | stinkyfax: I think you want /dev/null not dev/null |
| 18:20 | <Dominus> | retrospectacus: You are right ;D |
| 18:20 | <stinkyfax> | right |
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| 18:22 | <ikey> | Dominus: oooo @ options |
| 18:22 | <ikey> | eww.. :) |
| 18:22 | <ikey> | Xmx is maximum, Xms is minimum heap size.. iirc |
| 18:22 | <ikey> | Check out man java |
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| 18:23 | <Dominus> | ikey - i just did |
| 18:23 | <Dominus> | it is maximum memory |
| 18:23 | <stinkyfax> | .... /etc/gameserver/srcds/orangebox/startup.sh& > /dev/null 2>&1 I am still getting logs into my shell, why? |
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| 18:24 | <ikey> | Dominus: No no. Maximum heap. Different thing :) |
| 18:24 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: paste again without the typo? |
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| 18:24 | <stinkyfax> | which typo? |
| 18:25 | <Dominus> | ikey - Xmx is maximum memory |
| 18:25 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: is the name of the script "startup.sh&"? |
| 18:25 | <qq-> | stinkyfax, try space 'startup.sh' and '&' |
| 18:25 | <stinkyfax> | startup.sh but I want it to run on background |
| 18:25 | <stinkyfax> | Still receiving logs :( |
| 18:26 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: looks like you should be using start-stop-daemon |
| 18:26 | <stinkyfax> | so it's not on backgorund |
| 18:26 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: backgrounded jobs will still output to the attached terminal |
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| 18:26 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: redirections are proccessed from right to left |
| 18:27 | <stinkyfax> | without & i don't receive logs but it runs as main process |
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| 18:27 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: looks like you should be using start-stop-daemon |
| 18:27 | <stinkyfax> | jordanm: the problem was in startup is this script, because it doesnt' run in background, init.d stucks here waiting for end |
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| 18:28 | <stinkyfax> | there is no such daemon for that server |
| 18:28 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: fix the script to use start-stop-daemon and add it back to an init runlevel |
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| 18:28 | <retrospectacus> | stinkyfax: startup.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 & should work fine. I recommend logging to a file though |
| 18:29 | <stinkyfax> | don't worry, it has internal logging |
| 18:29 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: also note, that your example and the one given by retrospectacus still leaves the proc attached to the terminal |
| 18:30 | <stinkyfax> | I see, how do I sort it out? there isn't a daemon like "srcds start" |
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| 18:30 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax: you need to write one. /etc/init.d/skeleton is there to help |
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| 18:31 | <stinkyfax> | start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON --test > /dev/null \ |
| 18:32 | <jordanm> | you fill in the vars at the top |
| 18:32 | <stinkyfax> | i don't have 'start-stop-daemon' file like this, I mean the only I have is startup.sh |
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| 18:32 | <stinkyfax> | ah, ok |
| 18:33 | <stinkyfax> | thanks |
| 18:33 | <jordanm> | anytime |
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| 18:42 | <stinkyfax> | NAME=daemonexecutablename what should I put there? |
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| 18:42 | <NOMADICUS> | Hello. I have been using Ubuntu for a few years. I have decided to migrate to Debian. How substantial is the difference between Debian and Ubuntu? |
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| 18:45 | <jordanm> | NOMADICUS: most of us wouldn't know, not being ubuntu users |
| 18:45 | <clocker> | NOMADICUS, I moved from rpm based systems this year and tried Ubuntu first. It's buggy as hell and a resource pig. Debian was flawless on install. Lenny was my choice. It still demands a lot of RAM, but I'll work around it. No contest with Ubuntu |
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| 18:46 | <amphi> | clocker: you run gnome? ;) |
| 18:47 | <clocker> | yup |
| 18:47 | <amphi> | I expect that's what devours your memory |
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| 18:47 | <clocker> | I've run it elsewhere so my comment is relative to other systems running similar things |
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| 18:55 | <stinkyfax> | mmkay |
| 18:55 | <stinkyfax> | dameon stop doesn't work :( |
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| 19:08 | <jhutchins_lt> | NOMADICUS: Debian appears to be out-of-date, but in fact the packages have been well tested and patched. |
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| 19:09 | <jhutchins_lt> | NOMADICUS: It may lack some of the glitz of ubuntu, but if you look hard enough you'll find all of the tools and then some. |
| 19:10 | <jhutchins_lt> | NOMADICUS: There is almost always a way to get what you're actually trying to do done, as long as you focus on the goal and not the latest, greatest packages. |
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| 19:10 | <jhutchins_lt> | NOMADICUS: Admin tools are more likely to be text-based, a little more complex, and a lot more powerful. |
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| 19:11 | <viniciusandre> | hi! what do i need to configure in my network interface to have a raw socket program in one terminal to listen another one in another terminal? |
| 19:11 | <jordanm> | viniciusandre: netcat |
| 19:11 | <viniciusandre> | hope im clear enough |
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| 19:12 | <viniciusandre> | jordanm, netcat says it works under IP or UDP... im writing my own protocol |
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| 19:12 | <viniciusandre> | jordanm, do i still need it? |
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| 19:13 | <retrospectacus> | you're writing a protocol, that does not use IP ? |
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| 19:13 | <jordanm> | well, you won't be able to use any of the existing typical network stack without TCP/IP |
| 19:14 | <jordanm> | I would imagine, your protocol code will have to go into the kernel, if its an intended TCP/IP replacement |
| 19:14 | <viniciusandre> | jordanm, humn.. ok |
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| 19:15 | <jordanm> | viniciusandre: TCP/IP is been tested and stardaized for a *long* time. why write anytime else? |
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| 19:15 | <viniciusandre> | jordanm, homework... =/ |
| 19:16 | * | themill suspects viniciusandre os really trying to do something different |
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| 19:16 | <Tommos> | aren't you confusing the tcp/ip ip protocol with some protocol on top of it? :) |
| 19:17 | <viniciusandre> | Tommos, im not sure, because im using raw connections |
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| 19:17 | <viniciusandre> | Tommos, im supposed to read messages bit by bit |
| 19:18 | <viniciusandre> | actually that worked for a while here, but now its not working anymore |
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| 19:18 | <viniciusandre> | since i rebooted the machine |
| 19:18 | <jordanm> | viniciusandre: use netcat |
| 19:18 | <jordanm> | your homework does not want you to reinvent TCP/IP |
| 19:18 | <viniciusandre> | thats why im asking if i need to configure something |
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| 19:18 | <jordanm> | in fact, it probably expects you to have an understanding of what TCP/IP is, which you seem to lack at this point... |
| 19:19 | <jordanm> | viniciusandre: I recommned the book "TCP/IP Illustrated volume 1" |
| 19:19 | <viniciusandre> | jordanm, well.. i i use IP sockets, they give me structures that deal with ip headers and so |
| 19:19 | <Tommos> | no |
| 19:19 | <viniciusandre> | jordanm, i can tell that its not this |
| 19:19 | <Tommos> | the kernel will do all that for you |
| 19:19 | <NOMADICUS> | jhutchins_lt: I want to make a digital audio workstation. |
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| 19:20 | <viniciusandre> | whats a raw socket, then? |
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| 19:20 | <jordanm> | viniciusandre: a file |
| 19:21 | <jordanm> | its a special file that you read and write to in a different way, to over simplify |
| 19:21 | <viniciusandre> | humn... ok.. well.. |
| 19:21 | <NOMADICUS> | jhutchins_lt: It is something that I feel I need to accomplish for two reasons. One is to have it, and the other is to prove to my peers that a Linux based system is capable of media creation, editing and management. |
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| 19:21 | <jordanm> | i believe in theory you can use standard read() and write() on a socket file, but the results likely would not be intended |
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| 19:22 | <viniciusandre> | netcat needs a port and an interface to be started... to set raw sockets i dont use ports, only interfaces ids... |
| 19:24 | <jordanm> | viniciusandre: did they teach you the OSI model? |
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| 19:26 | <bignose> | How long before I should worry about this: |
| 19:26 | <bignose> | E: Release file expired, ignoring |
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| 19:26 | <bignose> | is it temporary failure of the mirror I use, or is no-one else experiencing this? |
| 19:26 | <NOMADICUS> | I have never bothered with anti-virus or anti-spyware software before when using Linux. I get asked a lot about it though. I say that I just don't worry about it. But are there any concerns that I should have, and what is the optimum response to give someone who asks about this issue who is a non Linux user? |
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| 19:28 | <bignose> | NOMADICUS: my response: never run any non-free program. prefer programs fetched from the operating system's official package repository. use a web browser and mail reader that doesn't run arbitrary programs. |
| 19:28 | <NOMADICUS> | I am never concerned about defraging my hard drive either. How come I don't have to do that? |
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| 19:29 | <bignose> | NOMADICUS: because ext2 (and ext3, etc.) are much better designed than NTFS or VFAT. |
| 19:29 | <bignose> | they do accumulate fragmentation, but verrry slowly. |
| 19:29 | <jordanm> | NTFS doesn't even need defrag like VFAT did |
| 19:30 | <NOMADICUS> | bignose: That is what I figured, but what is behind it? |
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| 19:30 | <NOMADICUS> | bignose: So would it be wise to implement a defragging scheduel? |
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| 19:31 | <bignose> | NOMADICUS: have a read of the ext2 design. brief, salient point: they put the blocks of data in sensible places in the first instance, instead of screwing it up. |
| 19:31 | <qq-> | !defrag |
| 19:31 | <dpkg> | well, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game, or tip: fragmentation is low until you start using the default reserved-blocks-percentage space |
| 19:31 | <bignose> | NOMADICUS: no, I've never bothered defragging over ten years of use, and the filesystems still perform admirably well. |
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| 19:33 | * | f8l is looking forward to use btrfs. |
| 19:33 | <bignose> | so has anyone else been seeing “E: Release file expired, ignoring” from their Debian mirror recently for Squeeze? |
| 19:33 | <clocker> | My mouse is a little on the excited side. How do I slow it up in fluxbox? |
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| 19:35 | <themill> | bignose: is this on the ftp.au mirror or some other one? |
| 19:35 | <bignose> | themill: mirror.internode.on.net |
| 19:36 | <themill> | bignose: that's not one I can tell you anything about (flaky or otherwise). It's perhaps not been updating properly. No, not seen that on other mirrors. |
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| 19:38 | <bignose> | themill: thanks. |
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| 19:51 | <Moleboy> | Hey guys |
| 19:52 | <Moleboy> | Wha's up? |
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| 19:52 | <Moleboy> | *What's up? |
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| 19:52 | <blarson> | Moleboy: this is a debian support channel, not a general discussion one |
| 19:52 | <Moleboy> | Well, I actually had a problem, but didn't want to be rude. |
| 19:52 | <blarson> | !ask |
| 19:52 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:53 | <Moleboy> | Sorry blarson, but as for my issue |
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| 19:53 | <Moleboy> | I installed Debian last night, couldn't get it to run, long story |
| 19:54 | <Moleboy> | but I am reinstalling it right now, with Gnome, and was wondering how difficult it would be for me to change the DE? |
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| 19:54 | <Moleboy> | Yes, I'm new to Debian and linux in general, I've tinkered, but haven't truly gotten too far. |
| 19:54 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: you can install alternate DEs from the debian installer |
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| 19:54 | <stinkyfax_> | btw why whenever I install linux on virtual box my virtual box sceren is 640x480 or something liek this |
| 19:54 | <stinkyfax_> | and I can't change it anywhere |
| 19:54 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: something like advaced -> alternate desktops from the boot menu |
| 19:55 | <Tommos> | stinkyfax_: install the guest additions |
| 19:55 | <Moleboy> | see |
| 19:55 | <Moleboy> | I had that option last night jordan |
| 19:55 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax_: you have to install the guest additions which includes the video driver |
| 19:55 | <Moleboy> | ahhh ok |
| 19:55 | <Moleboy> | oh right |
| 19:55 | <Moleboy> | but last night, it was a nice graphical installation, while today...it's more of a text based one |
| 19:55 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: well, its as easy as removing one meta package and installing another. could be a long download depending on the de |
| 19:55 | <Moleboy> | gotcha |
| 19:55 | <Moleboy> | Wanted to go from Gnome to LXDE |
| 19:56 | <jordanm> | or, just installing another and running update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 19:56 | * | jordanm recommends Xfce |
| 19:56 | <Moleboy> | really |
| 19:56 | <Moleboy> | why XFCE instead of LXDE? |
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| 19:56 | <jordanm> | hehe, because I have been using it for years and it is my preference. you can develop your own |
| 19:56 | <jordanm> | your own preferences I mean |
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| 19:57 | <Moleboy> | I honestly have no preference at this point |
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| 19:57 | <Moleboy> | hehe |
| 19:57 | <Moleboy> | which is why I'm trying to learn what I can :-) |
| 19:57 | <jordanm> | my customized setup: http://linuxgen.com/debian/Screenshot-19.png |
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| 20:06 | <retrospectacus> | jordanm: I can't tell if you're running Gentoo, Debian or Redhat 0.o |
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| 20:07 | <jordanm> | retrospectacus: hehe, the RHEL is a VM. I was testing around with RHEL 6 beta at the time. that is actually xfce 4.4 (considered ancient by upstream) on lenny |
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| 20:08 | <retrospectacus> | gotcha .. you just like the gentoo wallpaper? |
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| 20:12 | <jordanm> | retrospectacus: i actually *rarely* change wallpaper. at the time I put that up, I still used gentoo some, and it was an awesome wallpaper "On day 1 god emerged the world, on day 7 it finished" ("emerge world" in gentoo means recompile/install all packages, and is actually something that is needed) |
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| 20:12 | <jordanm> | libc upgrades in gentoo for example require an emerge world, which used to take around 20hrs on my laptop (not including failures) |
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| 20:13 | <retrospectacus> | fun stuff :P catcha later |
| 20:15 | <stinkyfax_> | jordanm: init.d works as i want now :) great thanks for help |
| 20:16 | <jordanm> | stinkyfax_: good to hear. anytime |
| 20:16 | <stinkyfax_> | though I had to slightly adjust the skeleton |
| 20:16 | <jordanm> | still better than writting from scratch |
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| 20:22 | <stinkyfax_> | i had to go sleep 2 hours ago, cya guys... work soon |
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| 20:33 | <Moleboy> | Ok |
| 20:33 | <Moleboy> | I need some major major major help |
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| 20:33 | <Moleboy> | twice, with two different CD's I've tried the netinst to install debian |
| 20:33 | <Moleboy> | it installs it |
| 20:34 | <Moleboy> | then I boot up, it shows the kernal messages, then the screen goes black |
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| 20:34 | <Moleboy> | once I pick debian from the boot menu |
| 20:34 | <Moleboy> | any solutions guys? |
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| 20:34 | <Moleboy> | or any ideas? |
| 20:34 | <Moleboy> | I just can't make it to the desktop from my installs :-( |
| 20:35 | <amphi> | what video card? |
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| 20:35 | <Moleboy> | HD 4870 |
| 20:35 | <Moleboy> | ATI |
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| 20:36 | <Moleboy> | :-/ I just don't know what to do at this point x.x |
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| 20:37 | <Moleboy> | Amphi? |
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| 20:37 | <amphi> | I don't know about support for recent ATI cards |
| 20:37 | <Moleboy> | Damn. |
| 20:37 | <Moleboy> | So I may be screwed when it comes to debian? |
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| 20:37 | <Moleboy> | I have no onboard video, so this is all |
| 20:37 | <Moleboy> | I have. |
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| 20:37 | <amphi> | if it's recent hw you might be better to use the testing branch |
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| 20:38 | <Moleboy> | can you point me to what to download? |
| 20:38 | <Moleboy> | I'm here, and there are so many: |
| 20:38 | <Moleboy> | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:38 | <Moleboy> | These are all CD-1, CD-2, and I have no idea what's going on. |
| 20:38 | <blarson> | !ati |
| 20:38 | <dpkg> | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 20:39 | <Moleboy> | !radeonhd |
| 20:39 | <dpkg> | [radeonhd][radeonhd] the AMD/ATI <FOSS> Xorg driver for the Radeon R5xx, R6xx and (since version 1.2.2) R7xx family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. Does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:39 | <Moleboy> | ok... |
| 20:40 | <Moleboy> | But I can't install the drivers, if I can't even boot into debian? |
| 20:40 | <qq-> | Moleboy, try #kmuto |
| 20:40 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: you need fglrx from lenny-backports |
| 20:40 | <qq-> | Moleboy, try kmuto |
| 20:40 | <Moleboy> | I am new, and to be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 20:40 | <jordanm> | kmuto is only for newer kernel during installation, won't help for fglrx |
| 20:40 | <jordanm> | !bdo |
| 20:40 | <dpkg> | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 20:41 | <Moleboy> | but that doesn't answer my question |
| 20:41 | <amphi> | Moleboy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for testing |
| 20:41 | <qq-> | "I can't even boot into debian?" .. |
| 20:41 | <Moleboy> | if I can't even boot, how can I install or use that |
| 20:41 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: follow the instructions for fglrx on the wiki, but use the packages from that repository instead |
| 20:41 | <jordanm> | qq-: in this case, gdm/X is failing to start |
| 20:41 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: or, an alternative would be to use testing, but its generally not recommended for new users |
| 20:42 | <Moleboy> | would testing work? |
| 20:42 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: backports might take more work, but it is much safer |
| 20:42 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: it should, yes |
| 20:42 | <Moleboy> | What are the odds I'll run into an issue with Testing? |
| 20:42 | <Moleboy> | I figure I should be fun. |
| 20:42 | <Moleboy> | *fine. |
| 20:42 | <ml|> | !testing |
| 20:42 | <dpkg> | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 20:42 | <Moleboy> | mmk, backport it is |
| 20:43 | <Moleboy> | let me look into it, back in a minute |
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| 20:43 | <jordanm> | I am not sure that should read "knowledge of Debian packaging" |
| 20:43 | <jordanm> | probably more like "knowledge of debian package management". |
| 20:43 | <ml|> | I agree |
| 20:44 | <ml|> | something along those lines |
| 20:44 | <jordanm> | I would change it, but it looks like my change won't fit |
| 20:44 | <Moleboy> | Ok, so my problem is, I can't boot, so I can't do this backport thing |
| 20:44 | <Moleboy> | I need to actually install something from within debian, which I can't do x.x |
| 20:44 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: what happens when you try? what about the single-user mode available from the boot menu? |
| 20:45 | <Moleboy> | what happens with both-- |
| 20:45 | <Moleboy> | Boot up, make it to GRUB |
| 20:45 | <Moleboy> | choose either one |
| 20:45 | <Moleboy> | shows the kernal messages, then after about 10 seconds |
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| 20:45 | <qq-> | Moleboy, bumm |
| 20:45 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: what happens after that? |
| 20:46 | <Moleboy> | my monitor goes black, then switches from analog to digital back and forth, although my card is only DVI (digital), and it just stays black. |
| 20:46 | <Moleboy> | then-- |
| 20:46 | <Moleboy> | if I hit the power button |
| 20:46 | <Moleboy> | kernal messages show up, and it says at the bottom |
| 20:46 | <Moleboy> | sam-login: |
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| 20:46 | <Moleboy> | so I've tried it again, and while black, typing in my password |
| 20:46 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: well, that does sound like gdm failing to start, which should not happen from single user mode |
| 20:46 | <Moleboy> | but to no avail |
| 20:46 | <Moleboy> | uno momento |
| 20:46 | <Moleboy> | let me try SUM again |
| 20:47 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: you could also hit "e" to edit and then add "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel line. if that does not work, squeeze it is |
| 20:47 | <Moleboy> | ok |
| 20:47 | <Moleboy> | it's kernal messaging |
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| 20:47 | <Moleboy> | minus the quotes I take it? |
| 20:47 | <jordanm> | yes |
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| 20:48 | <Moleboy> | just confirming :-) pappreciate it |
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| 20:48 | <hselley> | ? |
| 20:48 | <Moleboy> | ok |
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| 20:48 | <Moleboy> | it says, Give root password for maintenance, (or type control-d) to continue |
| 20:49 | <jordanm> | thats good, give the root password |
| 20:49 | <Moleboy> | given |
| 20:49 | <Moleboy> | :-) |
| 20:49 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: so now you have a shell? |
| 20:49 | <Moleboy> | indeed I do :-) |
| 20:49 | <Moleboy> | and it says |
| 20:50 | <Moleboy> | a full link at 1000mbps |
| 20:50 | <Moleboy> | Mbps, not MBps of course |
| 20:50 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: mount -o remount,rw /; update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 20:50 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: that should allow you to boot into a normal mode to continue the fix |
| 20:51 | <Moleboy> | stuff happened |
| 20:51 | <Moleboy> | should I reboot? |
| 20:51 | <jordanm> | what stuff? |
| 20:51 | <Moleboy> | removed system startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm... |
| 20:51 | <jordanm> | looks good, reboot |
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| 20:52 | <jordanm> | ,versions fglrx-glx |
| 20:52 | <Moleboy> | restarting, thanks a ton by the way :-) |
| 20:52 | <judd> | Package fglrx-glx on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-7-1; sid/non-free: 1:10-9-2 |
| 20:52 | <Moleboy> | ok |
| 20:52 | <Moleboy> | booting normal |
| 20:52 | <Moleboy> | I don't think I'm on i386 |
| 20:52 | <Moleboy> | I downloaded the amd64 version |
| 20:53 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: it should be the same |
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| 20:53 | <jordanm> | ,versions fglrx-glx --arch amd64 |
| 20:53 | <judd> | Package fglrx-glx on amd64 -- etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-7-1; sid/non-free: 1:10-9-1 |
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| 20:53 | <jordanm> | well crap... |
| 20:53 | <Moleboy> | shit x.x |
| 20:53 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: squeeze |
| 20:53 | <Moleboy> | wait what?> |
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| 20:53 | <Moleboy> | ok |
| 20:53 | <Moleboy> | if you can guide me what to download, I'd love that |
| 20:53 | <Moleboy> | XD |
| 20:53 | <Moleboy> | sorry, there's just so much |
| 20:53 | <Moleboy> | I appreciate all this help though! |
| 20:54 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: you can upgrade your existing install |
| 20:54 | <Moleboy> | oo ok |
| 20:54 | <jordanm> | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 20:54 | <dpkg> | WARNING: you must upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the full-upgrade. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile, backports), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude full-upgrade. If full-upgrade fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade". See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing> |
| 20:54 | <Moleboy> | I'm at the shell |
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| 20:54 | <Moleboy> | uhm |
| 20:54 | <Moleboy> | since I have nothing actually on it |
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| 20:54 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: change /etc/apt/sources.list from "lenny" to "squeeze" |
| 20:55 | <Moleboy> | jordanm, I hate to seem really new, but I am |
| 20:55 | <Moleboy> | and I hate to possibly bug you more, but uhm |
| 20:55 | <Moleboy> | how would I go about that x.x |
| 20:56 | <jordanm> | everyones new once, and you can't do much learning without a working system |
| 20:56 | <Moleboy> | hehe |
| 20:56 | <Moleboy> | I really thank you for this :-) |
| 20:56 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:56 | <jordanm> | (as root) |
| 20:56 | <Moleboy> | ok |
| 20:57 | <Moleboy> | remind me, what exactly do I change? |
| 20:57 | <Moleboy> | you said lenny to squeeze |
| 20:57 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: lenny -> squeeze |
| 20:57 | <Moleboy> | what about the 5.0.6 |
| 20:57 | <Moleboy> | or the lenny main |
| 20:57 | <Moleboy> | lenny/updates main |
| 20:57 | <Moleboy> | there are like...6 lenny's on here |
| 20:57 | <jordanm> | replace any case of the word lenny, with squeeze |
| 20:57 | <Moleboy> | I can actually pastebin everything on there on this laptop |
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| 20:58 | <Moleboy> | If you say so |
| 20:59 | <Moleboy> | ok, done |
| 20:59 | <Moleboy> | ctrl+o to say? |
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| 20:59 | <Moleboy> | writeout? |
| 20:59 | <Moleboy> | justify... |
| 20:59 | <Moleboy> | so many options, so little time! |
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| 21:00 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: ctrl-x to exit, you will be prompted to save |
| 21:00 | <jordanm> | I recommend one of the first things to learn is a good CLI text editor. the one you were just using is basic and easy, but not very good for advanced things |
| 21:00 | <Moleboy> | rror writing /etc/apt/sources.list: permission denied |
| 21:01 | <Moleboy> | I take it |
| 21:01 | <Moleboy> | I didn't do this as root? |
| 21:01 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: hmm, you missed the (as root) part |
| 21:01 | <jordanm> | yeah |
| 21:01 | <Moleboy> | hehe |
| 21:01 | <Moleboy> | damn, ah well |
| 21:01 | <Moleboy> | all over again |
| 21:01 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: you can save it somwhere else and then move it to the right location |
| 21:01 | <Moleboy> | nah |
| 21:01 | <Moleboy> | just doing it again |
| 21:02 | <Moleboy> | hehe |
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| 21:04 | <Moleboy> | uhm |
| 21:04 | <Moleboy> | how exactly do I root this up? |
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| 21:05 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: "su" |
| 21:05 | <Moleboy> | crap |
| 21:06 | <Moleboy> | what's the sudo password @.@ |
| 21:06 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: sudo is not configured by default |
| 21:06 | <not_david> | it's your root password |
| 21:06 | <Moleboy> | I did thqt |
| 21:06 | <Moleboy> | *that |
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| 21:06 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: "su" uses root's password, while "sudo" would use your own |
| 21:06 | <Moleboy> | and it says sam is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported. |
| 21:06 | <rpgdude> | i am having an issue trying to mount my nfs shares |
| 21:06 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: "su" NOT "sudo" |
| 21:07 | <Moleboy> | tried su |
| 21:07 | <rpgdude> | mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting hostname:/var/stuff/video |
| 21:07 | <rpgdude> | |
| 21:07 | <Moleboy> | unknown id: editor |
| 21:07 | <not_david> | use nano instead |
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| 21:07 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: type su and press enter |
| 21:07 | <jordanm> | not_david: /usr/bin/editor is nano by default |
| 21:08 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: the syntax is not the same as sudo, so you should not try to use it the same way |
| 21:08 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: "su" <enter> prompts for a password prior to giving you a root shell |
| 21:09 | <rpgdude> | does anyone know where to look for my nfs issue? |
| 21:09 | <Moleboy> | ok |
| 21:09 | <Moleboy> | jordan |
| 21:09 | <Moleboy> | and thanks :-) |
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| 21:09 | <Moleboy> | I saved it |
| 21:09 | <Moleboy> | should I reboot? |
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| 21:11 | <soph> | hello |
| 21:11 | <soph> | how do i multi comment jobs in a crontab ? |
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| 21:11 | <soph> | is /* */ |
| 21:11 | <soph> | allowed ? |
| 21:11 | <Moleboy> | Jordan? |
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| 21:11 | <Moleboy> | jordanm? o.o |
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| 21:12 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: yes, highlight me if you want me to see something |
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| 21:12 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: no reboot. aptitude update; aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 21:12 | <Moleboy> | gotcha :-) |
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| 21:13 | <Moleboy> | it's going, thanks :-) |
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| 21:15 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: when that is finished, reboot if there are no errors. you should be rebooting into the new 2.6.32 kernel |
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| 21:16 | <Moleboy> | thanks :-) I really do appreciate it again |
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| 21:17 | <Moleboy> | uhhh |
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| 21:17 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: it is really no problem, I am sitting in a hotel 800 miles from home with nothing else to do :) |
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| 21:18 | <Moleboy> | hehe, enjoy the hotel |
| 21:18 | <Moleboy> | :-) |
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| 21:21 | <dundee> | Hi all |
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| 21:21 | <dundee> | Can someone help me in getting my microphone to work on Debian Lenny? |
| 21:23 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: any luck?\ |
| 21:23 | <Moleboy> | I rebooted |
| 21:23 | <Moleboy> | one sec |
| 21:23 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: when your back up, I want to see output of uname -r |
| 21:23 | <Moleboy> | mmk |
| 21:23 | <Moleboy> | uname -r? |
| 21:23 | <Moleboy> | wait, I'm at the boot menu |
| 21:24 | <Moleboy> | @.@ |
| 21:24 | <Moleboy> | hang on |
| 21:24 | <Moleboy> | 4 options |
| 21:24 | <Moleboy> | not just two |
| 21:24 | <jordanm> | 2.6.32 |
| 21:24 | <jordanm> | should be the new default |
| 21:24 | <Moleboy> | gotcha, thanks |
| 21:24 | <Moleboy> | tis indeed :-) |
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| 21:24 | <Moleboy> | ok |
| 21:24 | <Moleboy> | it wants me to log in, I'm logging in |
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| 21:25 | <Moleboy> | ok |
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| 21:25 | <Moleboy> | uname -r = 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 21:25 | <Moleboy> | jordanm |
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| 21:25 | <Moleboy> | rather, uname -r == 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 21:25 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: as root: aptitude full-upgrade | tee ~/upgrade.log |
| 21:25 | <dundee> | Please....need help me in getting my microphone to work on Debian Lenny? |
| 21:26 | <jordanm> | !tell dundee about alsa checklist |
| 21:26 | <jordanm> | thats the most help I can be on that |
| 21:26 | <Moleboy> | I can't copy/paste your messages |
| 21:26 | <Moleboy> | is there a space between tee and ~ jordanm |
| 21:27 | <jordanm> | yes |
| 21:27 | <Moleboy> | This aptitude does not have super cow powers |
| 21:27 | <Moleboy> | Wow, that threw me off XD |
| 21:27 | <jordanm> | you typoed full-upgrade :) |
| 21:27 | <rpgdude> | my nfs volumes are not exporting |
| 21:27 | <rpgdude> | any ideas? |
| 21:27 | <dundee> | ok thanks jordanm will check |
| 21:29 | <Moleboy> | The following actions will resolve these dependencies |
| 21:29 | <Moleboy> | remove the following packages: |
| 21:29 | <Moleboy> | gnome |
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| 21:29 | <Moleboy> | gnome-desktop-enviroment, hal cups utils, iceweasel gnome support, libbind9-40 |
| 21:29 | <Moleboy> | the list goes on |
| 21:29 | <Moleboy> | I'm going to accept its solution |
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| 21:30 | <Moleboy> | wow, it needs to get 833mb of archives |
| 21:31 | <Moleboy> | ah well...don't have much of a choice x.x |
| 21:31 | <jordanm> | most of that will be gnome and its depends |
| 21:31 | <Moleboy> | letterip |
| 21:31 | <Moleboy> | ah well |
| 21:31 | <Moleboy> | I let it go, I have nothing better to do |
| 21:31 | <Moleboy> | =) |
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| 21:34 | <dundee> | alsa checklist focuses on playback |
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| 21:34 | <dundee> | playback is fine..but capture not working |
| 21:36 | <dundee> | Microphone in Debian still not working....any help? |
| 21:36 | <jordanm> | if its not muted, I wouldn't really know |
| 21:37 | <not_david> | dundee: have you played around with alsamixer yet? |
| 21:38 | <dundee> | its not muted...as a matter of fact the first thing I did was to unmute it and turn up the volume |
| 21:38 | <jordanm> | and your sure it actually works? |
| 21:38 | <dundee> | not_david: yes but still cannot get microphone to work |
| 21:38 | <dundee> | yes I had ubuntu installed before I reinstalled |
| 21:38 | <dundee> | It was working |
| 21:40 | <not_david> | dundee: i couldn't get mine setup with alsamixer either. i installed gamix and poked around for a few minutes and all was fine |
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| 21:40 | <not_david> | might be worth considering |
| 21:41 | <dundee> | not_david: ok...let me try that................ |
| 21:42 | <not_david> | dundee: are you using gnome? they might have an alsa frontend already... idk i dont use gnome |
| 21:43 | <dundee> | ok |
| 21:43 | <dundee> | Yes I am using gnome |
| 21:43 | <rpgdude> | anyone know how to debug nfs problems? |
| 21:44 | <not_david> | dundee: gnome-alsamixer |
| 21:45 | <not_david> | i still prefer gamix though. but YMMV |
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| 21:46 | <dundee> | wow I installed gamix and start getting some response only with a little static |
| 21:46 | <dundee> | That is so weird |
| 21:46 | <pipe> | < rpgdude> anyone know how to debug nfs problems? |
| 21:46 | <dundee> | not_david: Thank you very much |
| 21:46 | <pipe> | Too bad people think IRC is dead if they don't get answer within 30 seconds.. |
| 21:46 | <pipe> | Since I do know how to debug nfs problems :P |
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| 21:47 | <jordanm> | I believe he is a repeat offender |
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| 21:48 | <pipe> | repeat defender |
| 21:48 | <not_david> | dundee: no problem. just pay it forward |
| 21:49 | <dundee> | not_david: I notice though that audacity works...but not sound recorder |
| 21:49 | <dundee> | guess I just need to play with gamix some more |
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| 21:49 | <Moleboy> | jordanm: it's still installing...too much, and considering I don't even want to use Gnome in the end...hehe |
| 21:49 | <dundee> | not_david: Which Desktop environment do you use? |
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| 21:50 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: no stopping now |
| 21:50 | <Moleboy> | jordanm: Doesn't matter, I'll change it at the end. |
| 21:50 | <Moleboy> | I just want this thing to flipping boot |
| 21:50 | <Moleboy> | I have work to do @.@ |
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| 21:51 | <not_david> | dundee: idk about sound recorder... only needed audacity to record some shortwave radio stuff |
| 21:53 | <dundee> | not_david: ok |
| 21:54 | <dundee> | not_david: Do you use xfce? |
| 21:54 | <NOMADICUS> | I am trying to find a command that will querry hard drive stats. What command is optimum? |
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| 21:55 | <not_david> | i use lxde/openbox and awesome wm. gnome is too heavy for my ancient machines. xfce uses too much memory |
| 21:55 | <dundee> | not_david: ok cool |
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| 21:56 | <Moleboy> | jordanm: |
| 21:56 | <Moleboy> | What is your opinion of LXDE vs XFCE? |
| 21:57 | <not_david> | but sometimes i will use emacs as my DE |
| 21:57 | <jordanm> | its Xfce not XFCE. both are lightweight and aparently quite good. I have used xfce for a while and find its community nice |
| 21:57 | <dundee> | not_david: lol |
| 21:59 | <Moleboy> | jordanm: I stand corrected :-) |
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| 22:01 | <not_david> | xfce is great. just eats up a lil more memory than i like. |
| 22:01 | <Moleboy> | jordanm: The screen went black, but the messages have quit. |
| 22:02 | <Moleboy> | it's just sitting there. |
| 22:02 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: press an arrow key? |
| 22:02 | <Moleboy> | oh |
| 22:02 | <jordanm> | the TTY console has a screen-saver like feature |
| 22:02 | <Moleboy> | heh :-) |
| 22:03 | <pipe> | NOMADICUS: hdparm and smartctl |
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| 22:04 | <Moleboy> | Interesting, I like it :-) |
| 22:05 | <pipe> | Moleboy: My opinion of xfce is that it's pointless because it's as bloated as gnome :P |
| 22:05 | <Moleboy> | ahh pipe, I remember you from last night |
| 22:05 | <pipe> | Moleboy: LXDE seems to be more what xfce used to be and was meant to be |
| 22:05 | <pipe> | ah |
| 22:05 | <pipe> | I don't :P |
| 22:06 | <Moleboy> | =D My debian didn't boot last night...you helped me figure out to use netinst |
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| 22:06 | <Moleboy> | when I was trying to figure out what to download, few other things |
| 22:06 | <pipe> | Ah, right |
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| 22:06 | <Moleboy> | still working on it :-) |
| 22:06 | <Moleboy> | still not running hehe |
| 22:07 | <Moleboy> | but, since as much as I despise bloat, it doesn't affect me, it's really irrelevant, right? |
| 22:07 | <NOMADICUS> | pipe: Thanks. |
| 22:07 | <pipe> | bloat usually also leads to features (or it might be the other way around) |
| 22:07 | <Moleboy> | hehe |
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| 22:08 | <pipe> | On my laptop, which is the machine I use the most, I run dwm |
| 22:08 | <Moleboy> | DWM? |
| 22:08 | <pipe> | A seriously minimal window manager |
| 22:09 | <pipe> | It doesn't really even have windows, it's a tiling window manager so you don't have to fiddle around with the mouse |
| 22:09 | <Moleboy> | intriguing |
| 22:09 | <Moleboy> | ahh, I see |
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| 22:10 | <pipe> | On my desktop machine I run ubuntu with all the gnome glory :) |
| 22:10 | <Moleboy> | well |
| 22:10 | <Moleboy> | hehe |
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| 22:10 | <Moleboy> | debian on your laptop? |
| 22:10 | <pipe> | yeah |
| 22:10 | <Moleboy> | why the switchup? |
| 22:10 | <Moleboy> | if you don't mind me asking hehe |
| 22:10 | <dundee> | not_david: ok....need to try lxde one day |
| 22:11 | <pipe> | Moleboy: I'm not really sure, but sometimes I like to be able to just relax and not think |
| 22:11 | <Moleboy> | ahh, gotcha, it's all good :-) |
| 22:11 | <pipe> | Moleboy: And just google the ubuntu forum when something breaks. |
| 22:11 | <pipe> | Moleboy: It's also good to be able to give ubuntu support, since ubuntu is the OS I recommend for complete noobs |
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| 22:16 | <Moleboy> | I've done ubuntu a few times over the years |
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| 22:16 | <Moleboy> | I don't know, I don't like mainstream things. |
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| 22:17 | <Moleboy> | jordanm: should I use dash as the system shell? |
| 22:17 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: yes |
| 22:18 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: defaults should be fine for all those questions |
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| 22:23 | <pipe> | the switch to dash was <3 |
| 22:25 | <Moleboy> | jordanm: question...I'm letting it do its thing and I keep seeing fail messages |
| 22:25 | <Moleboy> | it's rather depressing |
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| 22:25 | <Moleboy> | failed, can't do this, can't do taht |
| 22:25 | <Moleboy> | warning this, warning that, cannot find this |
| 22:25 | <Moleboy> | jeez louis. |
| 22:26 | <Moleboy> | hehe, is that what this is? |
| 22:26 | <Moleboy> | wow, yipee ayooo |
| 22:28 | <pipe> | stay off the booze while installing, please |
| 22:28 | <Moleboy> | You're right, I'm not coding yet. |
| 22:29 | <Moleboy> | Ballmer's peak indeed. |
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| 22:35 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: thats a problem |
| 22:36 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: let it finish, then pastebin ~/output.log (that is what the tee part of the command did) |
| 22:36 | <jordanm> | !pastebinit |
| 22:36 | <dpkg> | [pastebinit][pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 22:37 | <Moleboy> | ok jordanm |
| 22:37 | <Moleboy> | My configuration file |
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| 22:37 | <Moleboy> | the package distributor has shipped an updated version, do I upgrade? |
| 22:38 | <jordanm> | yes |
| 22:38 | <jordanm> | you haven't modified anything, so you have no reason not to |
| 22:38 | <Moleboy> | ok |
| 22:38 | <Moleboy> | I'm back at the shell |
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| 22:39 | <Moleboy> | jordanm |
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| 22:40 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: use pastebinit so I can see that log |
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| 22:41 | <Moleboy> | I'm sorry |
| 22:41 | <Moleboy> | I see the command |
| 22:41 | <Moleboy> | but what exactly am I pastebinning? |
| 22:41 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: /root/upgrade.log |
| 22:43 | <Moleboy> | coulodn't do that jordanm, it couldn't resolve ftp.us.debian.org |
| 22:43 | <Moleboy> | couldn't install pastebinit |
| 22:44 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: uhh, so your networking is broken after the upgrade? |
| 22:45 | <Moleboy> | uhm |
| 22:45 | <Moleboy> | that's what it is sounding like. |
| 22:45 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: does /etc/resolv.conf appear to have correct nameservers? ifconfig show a proper IP address? |
| 22:45 | <Moleboy> | aw shiet. |
| 22:45 | <Moleboy> | ohp |
| 22:45 | <Moleboy> | nope |
| 22:45 | <Moleboy> | lovely |
| 22:45 | <Moleboy> | after my update, it bwoked. |
| 22:46 | <Moleboy> | can I please just download the squeeze and install from there? |
| 22:46 | <Moleboy> | this world does NOT like me for now. |
| 22:46 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: well.. that doesn't help us file bugs against upgrade-reports |
| 22:47 | <jordanm> | that is a serious failure, since it may prevent you from fixing it |
| 22:47 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: what does aptitude search ~b show? |
| 22:47 | <Moleboy> | couldn't I just |
| 22:47 | <Moleboy> | format |
| 22:47 | <Moleboy> | and start over? |
| 22:47 | <Moleboy> | with the squeeze? |
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| 22:47 | <Moleboy> | I'll try it >.> |
| 22:48 | <Moleboy> | uhm |
| 22:48 | <Moleboy> | aptitude search ~b shows nhothing. |
| 22:48 | <Moleboy> | some messages flash, then it goes to the next line. |
| 22:48 | <Moleboy> | jordanm |
| 22:49 | <jordanm> | alright, so aptitude claims nothing broken... dhclient eth0 |
| 22:49 | <Moleboy> | I'm using eth1 |
| 22:49 | <Moleboy> | not eth0 |
| 22:49 | <Moleboy> | but ok |
| 22:49 | <Moleboy> | you da boss :-) |
| 22:51 | <Moleboy> | nothing comes up |
| 22:51 | <Moleboy> | jordanm should I try it with eth1? |
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| 22:51 | <Moleboy> | either way, just goes to the next line jordanm |
| 22:52 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: and what does your IP look like? |
| 22:53 | <Moleboy> | from ifconfig? |
| 22:53 | <Moleboy> | inet addr:127.0.0.1 mask:255.0.0.0 |
| 22:53 | <Moleboy> | thusd |
| 22:53 | <Moleboy> | it's not working. |
| 22:54 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: that lo, does eth0 show up? |
| 22:54 | <Moleboy> | nothing |
| 22:54 | <Moleboy> | nor does eth1 |
| 22:54 | <Moleboy> | so we've discovered it doesn't work |
| 22:55 | <Moleboy> | what do we DO about it is the question? |
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| 22:55 | <Moleboy> | augh |
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| 22:57 | <Moleboy> | sorry, just a tad frustrated jordanm, don't mean to take it out on you x.x |
| 22:57 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: does it show up with ifconfig -a? |
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| 22:57 | <pipe> | What are you even trying to do? |
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| 22:59 | <jordanm> | pipe: upgrade to squeeze. I typically advise against it for a new user such as him but unfortunately the upgrade is required for hardware support |
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| 23:02 | <Moleboy> | I mean |
| 23:02 | <Moleboy> | my address is still 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:02 | <Moleboy> | and mask is still 255.0.0.0 |
| 23:02 | <Moleboy> | jordanm: I still don't get why I can't just download squeeze and install straight, but you know best @.@ |
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| 23:04 | <pipe> | Soon a lot of people will upgrade to squeeze, good to have stuff worked out ;) |
| 23:04 | <Moleboy> | hehe |
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| 23:04 | <Moleboy> | well |
| 23:04 | <Moleboy> | I guess my college essays can wait one more day XD |
| 23:05 | <Moleboy> | so jordanm what's the next step? I'm up for it :-) |
| 23:05 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 23:06 | <Moleboy> | you sure you don't want to continue this? |
| 23:06 | <Moleboy> | I got all night, sorry if I'm a tad on edge though :-( |
| 23:06 | <Moleboy> | It's just been now about 24 hours and I want my computer XD |
| 23:07 | <Moleboy> | jordanm, this is it, unless you want to continue, it's about to end |
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| 23:07 | <Moleboy> | or continue, rather |
| 23:07 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: unfortunately, I do not have all night |
| 23:08 | <jordanm> | interview tomarrow |
| 23:08 | <bja> | jordanm: good luck |
| 23:08 | * | jordanm might finally get the "linux systems administrator" title |
| 23:08 | <jordanm> | hey bja! thanks :) |
| 23:08 | <bja> | !coffee jordanm |
| 23:08 | * | dpkg decants a fine broth of hippy-blend Colombian for jordanm, courtesy of bja |
| 23:09 | <Moleboy> | jordanm best of luck, and you deserve it jordanm, and best of luck on your interview :-) |
| 23:09 | <Moleboy> | I apologize for taking up a lot of your time :-) |
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| 23:10 | <jordanm> | Moleboy: no need to apologize, it was my pleasure |
| 23:11 | <Moleboy> | I really do appreciate it jordanm |
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| 23:12 | <pipe> | get a room |
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