| --- | Log | opened Mon May 10 00:00:03 2010 |
| --- | Day | changed Mon May 10 2010 |
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| 00:30 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 388] by debhelper |
| 00:30 | <OddTod> | Hey guys I want to start getting away from dual booting debian and windows but there are certain things that still just run better in windows So i'm trying to get as far away from windows as posible by running an instance of VMware with windows instead of dual booting. If I were to run a graphically light version of debian would a vmware version of windows run WOW well? |
| 00:32 | <Varanger> | WoW = World of Warcraft ?? |
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| 00:35 | <OddTod> | wow = world of warcraft |
| 00:36 | <rjcks> | .quit |
| 00:36 | <Varanger> | forget it |
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| 00:36 | <Varanger> | you could use wine or cedega, under vmware IMPOSSIBLE |
| 00:36 | <OddTod> | yeah under wine there are issues with it crashing still |
| 00:37 | <Varanger> | have you tried Cedega? |
| 00:37 | <OddTod> | No i have never heard of cedega |
| 00:37 | <OddTod> | I will have to check it out and see if it will do what i want. |
| 00:37 | <Varanger> | I think there is somewhere on the net the manual to build Cedega from the sources |
| 00:37 | <Varanger> | !cedega |
| 00:37 | <dpkg> | methinks cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality. The packaging saga is summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 00:38 | <Varanger> | The problem is that you have to pay a fee if you want the binaries, the sources are free though |
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| 00:42 | <OddTod> | hmmm i don't mind paying for things. I think people deserve money for their work. |
| 00:42 | <OddTod> | I will have to look into this see if its something I might be interested in. |
| 00:43 | <Nemoder> | OddTod: I would look at codeweavers first http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxgames/ |
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| 00:46 | <OddTod> | Thank you guys for you help. |
| 00:46 | <OddTod> | guys and gals* |
| 00:49 | <Varanger> | gals? |
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| 00:58 | <deco> | i just installed debian lenny , I can't start x , I have a radeon hd4200 |
| 00:59 | <deco> | i tried usign "radeon" in my xorg.conf |
| 00:59 | <deco> | but it still won't work |
| 00:59 | <deco> | using* |
| 00:59 | <Varanger> | pastebin: dmesg | grep -i drm |
| 00:59 | <Varanger> | deco: pastebin: dmesg | grep -i drm |
| 00:59 | <deco> | okay |
| 01:00 | <deco> | Varanger: nothing came up |
| 01:02 | <Varanger> | pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:03 | <Nemoder> | http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 01:03 | <Varanger> | do you know if Kopete is having problems with MSN ? |
| 01:03 | <Nemoder> | deco: what is your kernel version? the wiki says the kernel driver was moved to nonfree |
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| 01:05 | <deco> | Nemoder: 2.6.26 |
| 01:05 | <deco> | hmmm |
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| 01:39 | <And1> | Hey folks, is there anything wrong with 'Cmnd_Alias FOO = /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d $daemon'? "Sorry, user and1 is not allowed to execute '/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d $daemon stop' as root on $hostname"... (I just replaced "/etc/init.d/" with "/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d " in my sudoers file.) |
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| 01:44 | <andrea> | list! |
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| 01:45 | <xpike> | cant anyone help me install flash for ubuntu AMD64 |
| 01:45 | <jm_> | !tell xpike -about ubuntu |
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| 01:49 | <jm_> | speaking of that, lastest version of 64bit flash plugin is absoloutely horrible |
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| 03:19 | <xikc> | how to compile a kernel (by .deb)+ auto include kernel-patches from /usr/src ? |
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| 03:35 | <lateralus> | could someone help me clarify some general computer science terminology? |
| 03:36 | <dr|z3d> | lateralus: Have you googled? |
| 03:36 | <lateralus> | yes but the definitions are so recursive it's killing me |
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| 03:38 | <Appl6> | lateralus: Ask, and if someone else knows the answer and wants to help, they'll chime in. |
| 03:38 | <lateralus> | ok |
| 03:38 | <lateralus> | difference between a method, a procedure, and a function |
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| 03:40 | <dr|z3d> | Well, a method is a non-formal way of achieving something, a procedure is a formal way of achieving something, and a function is a specifc method to achieve it. :) |
| 03:41 | <dr|z3d> | I'm sure there are much better definitions on offer :) |
| 03:42 | <lateralus> | could you define formal? |
| 03:42 | <dr|z3d> | formal being objectively agreed, and documented. Like a standard, if you will. |
| 03:43 | <dr|z3d> | So you might have a procedure to make tea.. |
| 03:43 | <lateralus> | oh wait, i think i saw a good example of this: |
| 03:44 | <dr|z3d> | You'd need to follow that procedure to the letter to achieve it.. No good using, say, cold water or substituting milk for yoghurt. |
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| 03:44 | <lateralus> | so a method for square rooting something just defines that the square root of x is the number n where n*n=x and the procedure for square rooting would actually be an algorithm for achieving the square root? |
| 03:45 | <dr|z3d> | Sure, that sounds broadly correct. |
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| 03:47 | <suiside> | lateralus: methods are subroutines associated with a class in object oriented programming, a procedure is a subroutine in procedural programming and the term function is used quite loosely as a synonym to the two previous, but in functional programming a function is a subroutine, which given a specified input always results in the same output value, i.e. is has no side effects |
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| 03:49 | <lateralus> | so thats probably where my confusion has come from |
| 03:50 | <suiside> | yeah, you could argue that they are different names for the same thing in the context of different programming paradigms |
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| 03:51 | <lateralus> | so I'm having trouble understanding the definition of an object and object oriented programming, though it appears I'm perfectly capable of using objects and writing object oriented code |
| 03:52 | <suiside> | lateralus: whereas a class is like a blueprint for an object, an actual object is an instance of the class describing it |
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| 03:53 | <lateralus> | alright so, in psudo code: |
| 03:53 | <lateralus> | myclass() { |
| 03:54 | <lateralus> | myobject() { ... } |
| 03:54 | <lateralus> | } |
| 03:54 | <lateralus> | x = myclass.myobject() |
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| 03:55 | <lateralus> | woa wait nvm |
| 03:55 | <lateralus> | x = myclass() |
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| 03:55 | <lateralus> | so now x is an object and myclass() defined earlier is the class |
| 03:56 | <lateralus> | x is an instance of myclass()? |
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| 03:56 | <suiside> | yep |
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| 03:57 | <lateralus> | just for kicks what then is myobject() inside of my class then? |
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| 03:57 | <locklace> | when did #debian turn into #oop-101 |
| 03:57 | <lateralus> | lol |
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| 03:59 | <suiside> | lateralus: well, it could be constructor, defining how the object should be setup during creation, or it could be a singleton object, i.e. a object with only one instance private to myclass, you tell me it's your pseudo code =) |
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| 04:00 | <suiside> | on a larger scale an object is an programming abstraction encapsulating some attributes inside it, different instances may hold different values for those attributes, but the structure of the objects is defined by the class |
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| 04:01 | <suiside> | s/it could be/it could be a/ |
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| 04:01 | <lateralus> | lol regex |
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| 04:16 | <EmleyMoor> | Is there an easy, right, and above all Debian way to recompile a kernel from lenny backports so as to have ufs write support? |
| 04:17 | <cmot> | Yodel! |
| 04:17 | <cmot> | I've got a bigger fight against cups: many of my printouts suddenly (since Ive moved the printserver from a etch/lenny machine to a squeeze set up) show faint yellow backgrounds. |
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| 04:18 | <cmot> | Some HP printers, some Dell printers, so it's probably not hplip. |
| 04:18 | <cmot> | Mostly printing from oo.org, but the same version as it worked before. |
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| 04:18 | <streuner__> | did you try it with another OS? |
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| 04:19 | <streuner> | well, mostly cups is the problem usually... |
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| 04:19 | <cmot> | streuner, Funnily, it's not when I print from other applications. so it's only for *some* kinds of print jobs. |
| 04:20 | <cmot> | streuner, I'll see if I can try from Windows with the same document. |
| 04:20 | <streuner> | cmot: sid? |
| 04:20 | <cmot> | streuner, squeeze. |
| 04:20 | <streuner> | ok, same case... |
| 04:21 | <cmot> | cups is same at squeeze/sid right now. |
| 04:21 | <cmot> | ghostscript and hplip too. |
| 04:21 | <streuner> | if you have a problem with cups in testing/unstable you can only bet ;-) |
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| 04:21 | <cmot> | bet. |
| 04:21 | <cmot> | Or beten (pray)? |
| 04:21 | <streuner> | yes |
| 04:22 | <cmot> | tell that the paying customer :-( :-( |
| 04:22 | <cmot> | (and stable is no real option as most of the printers are not really supported in lenny. |
| 04:22 | <cmot> | ) |
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| 04:22 | <streuner> | no, there is always a ppd |
| 04:23 | <streuner> | linux-printing.org |
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| 04:23 | <streuner> | if they have a driver why it shouldnt be supported then... |
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| 04:26 | <cmot> | streuner, some need a current hplip (HP 1505 for example. They're unfortunately not ps printers.) |
| 04:26 | <streuner> | cmot: cups is adobe, but i guess there are not many people who use support... |
| 04:26 | <streuner> | cmot: there is an easy solution - network printers |
| 04:26 | <cmot> | streuner, isn't cups Apple ? |
| 04:26 | <streuner> | cmot: ah, sorry, you are right |
| 04:27 | * | streuner needs more coffee |
| 04:27 | <cmot> | I think cofffee is a good idea at that point :-) |
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| 04:43 | <Slydder> | just wondering if anyone here knows of an easy (relatively speaking that is) way of converting an ncurses menu to gtk? |
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| 04:54 | <jm_> | Slydder: you mean your own app or something like dialog? |
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| 05:02 | <crazyb0y> | anyone using clamav with squeeze? |
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| 05:02 | <dr|z3d> | !anyone |
| 05:02 | <dpkg> | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 05:03 | <crazyb0y> | there is a strange bug with clamav 0.96 and squeeze |
| 05:03 | <crazyb0y> | i have read about it, but no one is solve it |
| 05:04 | <crazyb0y> | the clamd daemon cannot bound/access the ctl file |
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| 05:06 | <crazyb0y> | http://pastebin.com/UBmcZhGY |
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| 05:29 | <grzempek> | hello fellows |
| 05:29 | <grzempek> | i have a question |
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| 05:30 | <EmleyMoor> | You don't need permission to ask - fire away |
| 05:30 | <grzempek> | is some of you using grub2 wiht splash screens ? |
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| 05:30 | <grzempek> | im using it on my testing |
| 05:30 | <EmleyMoor> | grzempek: I'm not - but are you having a problem with it? If so, please explain it |
| 05:31 | <grzempek> | yeah the proglem is that grub2 splash works fine until i choose position in menu on grub2 |
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| 05:32 | <grzempek> | then i go console script information running instead of having splash image still |
| 05:32 | <grzempek> | of course in /etc/default/grub i goT: |
| 05:32 | <EmleyMoor> | grzempek: I believe that is normal |
| 05:32 | <grzempek> | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet vga=791 splash" |
| 05:33 | <grzempek> | EmleyMoor: hows that? |
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| 05:33 | <EmleyMoor> | Once you've made your choice, you are out of grub's control |
| 05:33 | <grzempek> | it should cover all this information wit nice splash image accorging to what i have in config files |
| 05:34 | <grzempek> | hmm |
| 05:34 | <EmleyMoor> | Never used the splash option to the kernel... |
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| 05:34 | <grzempek> | well so if i want to use splash image instead of all this data i have to use someting diferent like bootsplash or splashy again ? |
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| 05:35 | <EmleyMoor> | At this point I don't know - but looking into things like that may be helpful |
| 05:36 | <grzempek> | i was really convinced that grub2 is taking care about it |
| 05:36 | <Scynix> | is there a method for forcing debian to re-autodetect network interfaces? If I added a second network card, make it detect it? |
| 05:38 | <locklace> | detection of hotplug devices should be automatic |
| 05:38 | <xikc> | how to compile kernels+ inclluding+ /usr/src/kernel-patches |
| 05:38 | <dr|z3d> | Scynix: man ifup |
| 05:38 | <dr|z3d> | As I understand it, pump is deprecated. |
| 05:39 | <grzempek> | EmleyMoor: are you using any splash screen during statup ? |
| 05:39 | <Scynix> | how would I check if the card is being found at all? ifconfig doesn't s how the second adapter |
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| 05:40 | <EmleyMoor> | No |
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| 05:40 | <locklace> | Scynix: dmesg |
| 05:40 | <grzempek> | on GRUB i was using splashy to have nice splash screen |
| 05:40 | <grzempek> | but since i got grub2 i was convinced it will provide sucha thing |
| 05:41 | <grzempek> | but now im not sure anymore : |
| 05:41 | <grzempek> | :P |
| 05:42 | <grzempek> | is anyone use grub2 and got splash screen during statuup here ? |
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| 05:42 | <ODDity> | I'm noticing in my logs right now my ssh server is trying to be brute forced or something.. auth.log is filling up with failed authentications to root.. I understand I could block these with iptables but I found them complicated to use.. any advice? |
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| 05:44 | <Scynix> | locklace: Thanks again, as always. |
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| 05:44 | <petemc> | ODDity: thats very common and to be expected if you run ssh on a standard port, usual thing to do is not allow password login, or use an app like deny hosts to scan logs and block after a few failed login attempts |
| 05:45 | <locklace> | iptables is the most robust way. you can arrange to block connections from a source automatically after excessive attempts with just a couple of rules |
| 05:45 | <jmm> | ODDity: you can try fail2ban. |
| 05:45 | <petemc> | 'robust' ? |
| 05:45 | <ODDity> | deny hosts sounds like it might be hopeful - I do allow remote logins via SSH for sftp and stuff and find it very useful for admin and sharing data |
| 05:46 | <ODDity> | fail2ban you say? |
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| 05:46 | <jmm> | ODDity: yep. it's in apt. |
| 05:46 | <jmm> | that what people use here, at job. |
| 05:46 | <ODDity> | ok thanks, I'll install that now |
| 05:47 | <ODDity> | do I need to configure it at all or make it run at boot or anything? |
| 05:47 | <ODDity> | ah |
| 05:48 | <ODDity> | hehe.. oky. it's stopped |
| 05:48 | <ODDity> | I think |
| 05:49 | <pptp> | he-he |
| 05:49 | <Scynix> | locklace: What's the.. term, or method that I could look up for learning how to add the network card to the system? I can see it in dmesg, but attempting to bring up eth1 doesn't work as its an unknown interface |
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| 05:50 | <locklace> | Scynix: if it was properly recognised by the kernel as reported in dmesg, it should appear in the list returned by ifconfig -a |
| 05:50 | <Scynix> | oh, I'm silly, thank you, it's called eth2 |
| 05:50 | <Scynix> | haha, sorry ^_^ |
| 05:52 | <jmm> | ODDity: yea it need some setup still. |
| 05:53 | <ODDity> | jmm, it appears to have stopped and jailed the IP |
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| 05:55 | <Appl6> | TCW: locklace: Hello, I had success booting the 2.6.26 kernel I had installed several times with "acpi=off". I downloaded the backported lenny kernel 2.6.32 and installed it, and now it boots reliably without any boot parameters. Thanks very much for your help. |
| 05:55 | <locklace> | !congratulate Appl6 |
| 05:55 | <dpkg> | Good show Appl6, you did it! |
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| 05:56 | <dbvolio> | how to make a ppoe connection? |
| 05:56 | <Appl6> | locklace: Ha, not yet. I'm having serious issues with the firmware for my wireless USB dongle. But I'll work on it for a few more days before I trouble you again. |
| 05:56 | <locklace> | !tell dbvolio about pppoe |
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| 05:57 | <dbvolio> | where do i put my user and password? |
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| 05:58 | <dbvolio> | not working |
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| 06:14 | <xikc> | interessting how audacious eats ~ 50% cpu and i still have 0er load |
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| 06:19 | <dbvolio> | how to make a pppoe connection? |
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| 06:19 | <AbsintheSyringe_> | dbvolio, sudo pppoeconf |
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| 06:21 | <dbvolio> | sudo instead of apt? |
| 06:21 | <dbvolio> | apt-get? |
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| 06:23 | <dbvolio> | the root login trough ssh is blocked |
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| 06:23 | <dbvolio> | how to use root commands? |
| 06:23 | <dbvolio> | trough ssh? |
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| 06:23 | <cahoot> | dbvolio: via su or sudo? |
| 06:23 | <dr|z3d> | dbvolio: sudo su also works. |
| 06:23 | <dbvolio> | i said su but command unknown? |
| 06:24 | <dr|z3d> | (assuming you have su and sudo installed) |
| 06:24 | <dr|z3d> | if not, aptitude install sudo su |
| 06:24 | <dbvolio> | ooooooooo |
| 06:24 | <cahoot> | catch22 |
| 06:24 | <dbvolio> | worked |
| 06:24 | <dbvolio> | so |
| 06:24 | <dbvolio> | for pppoe now |
| 06:25 | <dbvolio> | what configs should i do to work my pppoe connection? |
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| 06:26 | <dbvolio> | it will be connected all the time? |
| 06:26 | <dbvolio> | even after boot? |
| 06:26 | <dbvolio> | automatic? |
| 06:27 | <dbvolio> | ?? |
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| 06:27 | <dbvolio> | what settings should i make to connect automatically? |
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| 07:10 | <antidoto> | when i try to install debian lenny amd64 in a computer with 2 SATA drives no hard drive is detected, can anyone point me to a solution ? thank you for your time |
| 07:11 | <locklace> | antidoto: have you tried a backport installer image, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 07:15 | <antidoto> | yres, and this works, i was wondering if there is a non backported solution |
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| 07:15 | <locklace> | the backport solution is the correct one |
| 07:17 | <antidoto> | i see, i least that stops my search :) , thanks a lot |
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| 07:17 | <locklace> | it's still "real debian", just the installer has an updated kernel so it can detect newer hardware |
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| 07:56 | <inkbottle> | On sid, at boot time, there is a beautiful small font (don't know how many columns, but a lot), at the same time on squeeze, the font is more as usual. Have you noticed this? What is the change that makes this difference? |
| 07:57 | <cahoot> | frambuffer enabled in sid? |
| 07:57 | <jm_> | or kms |
| 07:57 | <inkbottle> | probably... |
| 07:57 | <cahoot> | kms? didn't know that |
| 07:58 | <inkbottle> | 1- framebuffer is enabled in sid |
| 07:58 | <inkbottle> | have to google what is kms |
| 07:58 | <jm_> | !kms |
| 07:58 | <dpkg> | [KMS][KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter or edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 08:01 | <inkbottle> | but it is already 2.6.32 in squeez, so higher than 2.6.29 required for kms |
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| 08:01 | <inkbottle> | so framebuffer? |
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| 08:02 | <inkbottle> | and if so, how do i enable framefuffer in squeeze? |
| 08:02 | <Sebastian> | What is the recommended way to make sure a service doesn't get started on boot/package upgrade, making sure this persists through package upgrades? |
| 08:02 | <inkbottle> | !framebuffer |
| 08:02 | <dpkg> | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 08:02 | <Sebastian> | Thanks for your consideration |
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| 08:03 | <jm_> | Sebastian: man invoke-rc.d, read about policy |
| 08:03 | <jm_> | also man update-rc.d to learn how to handle the boot scenario |
| 08:04 | <inkbottle> | !fbcon |
| 08:04 | <dpkg> | i heard fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution> |
| 08:05 | <inkbottle> | !fbcon resolution |
| 08:05 | <dpkg> | well, fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 08:05 | <Sebastian> | jm_: hrm ok, I was told that update-rc is bad |
| 08:06 | <jm_> | Sebastian: why would it be bad? |
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| 08:06 | <Sebastian> | I was told the next upgrade would put things back, and the process is started by default again |
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| 08:08 | <locklace> | Sebastian: yeah, it's a pain. if it has a file in /etc/default you can control it that way |
| 08:09 | <Sebastian> | Ok, but there is no package-agnostic way of achieving this? |
| 08:10 | <jm_> | that's where policy kicks in ... |
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| 08:11 | <jm_> | and the way to properlykill it on boot is explained in the man page |
| 08:11 | <jm_> | A common system administration error is ... |
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| 08:12 | <Sebastian> | the policy section in man invoke-rc.d is quite short |
| 08:13 | <jm_> | tough luck ;) |
| 08:14 | <dr|z3d> | Sebastian: giyf :) |
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| 08:16 | <inkbottle> | what if hwinfo --framebuffer gives no output? |
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| 08:26 | <Sebastian> | dr|z3d: funny. Google only gives me the update-rc.d method, hence my asking here. |
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| 08:28 | <dr|z3d> | Sebastian: I meant now that you have the new method, you might consider following _that_ up on google, since man seems less than prolix. That's all. :) |
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| 08:38 | <Sebastian> | dr|z3d: right, please tell me what to google for. I've been trying without luck. |
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| 08:40 | <dr|z3d> | !fgi Sebastian invoke-rc.d |
| 08:40 | <dpkg> | Sebastian: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=invoke-rc.d |
| 08:40 | * | dr|z3d winks. |
| 08:41 | <Sebastian> | wow. Have you actually read backlog? |
| 08:42 | <dr|z3d> | <Sebastian> the policy section in man invoke-rc.d is quite short |
| 08:42 | <dr|z3d> | I assume that's the germane comment. :) |
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| 08:44 | <Sebastian> | Now you show me which of the top 20 hits for that search term help me answer my original question |
| 08:44 | <dr|z3d> | How about I don't, and you lose your sense of entitlement. Stop being arrogant. Do that in #tor :) |
| 08:45 | <dr|z3d> | Besides, if you use scroogle, you'll get a 100 results. :) It's not my job to tell you where the good stuff is. |
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| 08:45 | <Selfhispegasus> | pla |
| 08:45 | <Selfhispegasus> | OLA |
| 08:45 | <dr|z3d> | !es |
| 08:45 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 08:45 | <Selfhispegasus> | hello |
| 08:46 | <Selfhispegasus> | my from city is jerez de la fra. |
| 08:46 | <Selfhispegasus> | and you'S? |
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| 08:47 | <Selfhispegasus> | mmlñ;Kǹ bjjn |
| 08:47 | <Selfhispegasus> | h |
| 08:47 | <Selfhispegasus> | nh |
| 08:47 | <Selfhispegasus> | j |
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| 08:47 | <Sebastian> | jm_, locklace: Thanks for trying to be helpful. |
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| 08:57 | <tzafrir> | All of a sudden a number of programs fail at load time: |
| 08:57 | <tzafrir> | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/x86_64/dl-machine.h: 460: elf_machine_rela_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xffffffff) == 8' failed! |
| 08:57 | <dr|z3d> | tzafrir: updated recently? tried a reboot? |
| 08:58 | <tzafrir> | dr|z3d, I haven't tried a reboot yet |
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| 08:58 | <tzafrir> | I'd prefer to avoid that |
| 08:58 | <dr|z3d> | tzafrir: Did you update recently? |
| 08:58 | <tzafrir> | I do occasionally suspend/resume |
| 08:58 | <tzafrir> | dr|z3d, I suppose so. This is a squeeze system |
| 08:58 | <tzafrir> | searching a bit, I found http://bugs.debian.org/574657 |
| 08:59 | <dr|z3d> | Well, a reboot in that situation can often cure issues such as you're seeing. I'd try that and then let us know if you're still experiencing problems. |
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| 09:00 | <usuario> | hola |
| 09:00 | <dr|z3d> | !es |
| 09:00 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 09:01 | <dr|z3d> | !next |
| 09:01 | <dpkg> | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 09:20 | <dbvolio> | how to make a dns server? |
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| 09:21 | <dbvolio> | a dynamic dns srver |
| 09:23 | <dbvolio> | ?? |
| 09:23 | <dr|z3d> | Try pdns-server perhaps, dbvolio. |
| 09:23 | <noah> | !install |
| 09:23 | <dpkg> | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 09:23 | <dr|z3d> | judd versions pdns-server |
| 09:23 | <judd> | pdns-server -- etch: 2.9.20-8+etch1; etch-security: 2.9.20-8+etch1; etch-backports: 2.9.21.2-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.9.21.2-1; lenny-backports: 2.9.22-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.9.22-4; squeeze: 2.9.22-4 |
| 09:24 | <dbvolio> | what are theze? |
| 09:24 | <dr|z3d> | !fgi dbvolio pdns-server |
| 09:24 | <dpkg> | dbvolio: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=pdns-server |
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| 09:26 | <dbvolio> | what is the order of installing : bind and then pdns or vice-versa? |
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| 09:27 | <dbvolio> | ?? |
| 09:28 | <jordanm> | dbvolio: bind and pdns are two different applications but are both nameservers. You don't want to run both at the same time |
| 09:28 | <dbvolio> | ok |
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| 09:28 | <dbvolio> | so what do i have to do? |
| 09:28 | <dbvolio> | install pdns and then? |
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| 09:29 | <jordanm> | dbvolio: likely read /usr/share/doc/pdns/* |
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| 09:29 | <dbvolio> | ok thanks |
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| 09:32 | <metrahla> | does anyone knows if Vmware, can go seek an OS installation files.. trougth a computer on a Local Network ? |
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| 09:32 | <metrahla> | maybe installing some MSdos network app :S |
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| 09:33 | <dbvolio> | If you use constants in your value, and these constants belong to a |
| 09:33 | <dbvolio> | ; dynamically loaded extension (either a PHP extension or a Zend extension), |
| 09:33 | <dbvolio> | ; you may only use these constants *after* the line that loads the extension. |
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| 09:34 | <dbvolio> | how should i enable zend-extensions |
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| 09:36 | <noflash> | !vmware support |
| 09:36 | <dpkg> | it has been said that vmware support is not offered here; go to http://vmware.com/support or join #vmware on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:41 | <usuario> | fg |
| 09:41 | <usuario> | esperando... |
| 09:42 | <themill> | !es-social usuario |
| 09:42 | <dpkg> | usuario: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
| 09:42 | <usuario> | hello |
| 09:42 | <usuario> | vvvvvvvvvvvv |
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| 09:48 | <mercutio22> | weird.. I can't get google earth to render the planet. No errors when launched. I have direct rendering enabled. |
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| 09:51 | <OdyX> | oh.. mercutio22: you didn't get the memo ? The earth disappeared: we are all emigrating to Mars. |
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| 09:53 | <steffen> | yeah, use http://www.google.com/mars/ instead |
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| 10:00 | <Torsten_W> | mercutio22, do we know your graphics hardware? |
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| 10:00 | <mercutio22> | Torsten_W: yes, Its an nVidia card |
| 10:00 | <mercutio22> | m8700 |
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| 10:00 | <Torsten_W> | mercutio22, nvidia-glx-ia32 is installed? |
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| 10:00 | <mercutio22> | Torsten_W: lemme check. |
| 10:00 | <dbvolio> | pdns-backend is separated of pdns? |
| 10:01 | <dbvolio> | or it's in the same package? |
| 10:02 | <dbvolio> | ?? |
| 10:03 | <mercutio22> | Torsten_W: it wasn't. Lets see if that does it. |
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| 10:06 | <aiux> | !tell dbvolio -about search |
| 10:07 | <dbvolio> | what search? |
| 10:07 | <dbvolio> | the bot? |
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| 10:10 | <mercutio22> | Torsten_W: You nailed it |
| 10:10 | <mercutio22> | Torsten_W: thanks a bunch |
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| 10:13 | <edbian> | I'm using synaptic to look at the repos. Does a versionNumber~bpo50+1 mean that package is in the backports? |
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| 10:14 | <jordanm> | edbian: yes |
| 10:14 | <themill> | edbian: usually, yes. (You could always make your own packages with that version string too) |
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| 10:16 | <edbian> | I have libempathy23 available from the backports (version 2.6.2) but I can't install it because it depends on other packages (namely libempathy-common version 2.26) What is the point of the backports repos if there are still dependencies unmet? |
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| 10:19 | <jordanm> | ,versions libempathy-common |
| 10:19 | <judd> | libempathy-common -- lenny: 0.23.3-3; lenny-backports: 2.26.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.28.2-3; squeeze: 2.28.2-3 |
| 10:19 | <jordanm> | edbian: that version is available, most likely it has not been backported to all arches yet |
| 10:20 | <jordanm> | ,versions libempathy-common --arch amd64 |
| 10:20 | <judd> | libempathy-common -- lenny: 0.23.3-3; lenny-backports: 2.26.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.28.2-3; squeeze: 2.28.2-3 |
| 10:20 | <jordanm> | ,versions libempathy-common --arch armel |
| 10:20 | <judd> | libempathy-common -- lenny: 0.23.3-3; lenny-backports: 2.26.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.28.2-3; squeeze: 2.28.2-3 |
| 10:20 | <jordanm> | edbian: that doesn't appear to be the case here however |
| 10:20 | <themill> | ,archs libempathy-common --release lenny-backports |
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| 10:20 | <judd> | libempathy-common in lenny-backports: all (2.26.2-1~bpo50+1) |
| 10:20 | <themill> | (it's an arch:all package anyway) |
| 10:21 | <edbian> | US that first one ix86 ?? |
| 10:21 | <edbian> | Is that first...* |
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| 10:25 | <edbian> | http://pastebin.com/1yRxmGTe is something wrong with my sources.list ?? I don't see libempathy-common 2.28 in my synaptic. |
| 10:26 | <themill> | why do you want that version of libempathy-common? |
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| 10:26 | <edbian> | I want to try the newer version of empathy to try out facebook chat. |
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| 10:26 | <edbian> | The newer version of empathy shows up in my synaptic but it depends on that newer version of the library. What gives? |
| 10:27 | <themill> | edbian: please pastebin the output of "aptitude -t lenny-backports install empathy" |
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| 10:27 | <edbian> | I have the older version of the library, and i have the backports loaded (I believe correctly) I had a problem similar to this before. I wanted the newer version of openoffice (version 3) and I couldn't see it in synaptic |
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| 10:28 | <themill> | I've not touched synaptic in years... but don't you have to right click on the package and ask for a specific version? |
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| 10:30 | <edbian> | themill, since I used aptitude and specified the backports repo it wants to update every package against what's available in the backports which is breaking things. I'm going to cancel. Synaptic shows the default package version available. I'm trying out right clicking right now but I always thought that only let you change it to an older version. |
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| 10:30 | <themill> | edbian: aptitude would not do that with the command I gave. |
| 10:31 | <edbian> | I'll pastebin the output hang on |
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| 10:33 | <edbian> | synaptic let me specify which version of the package to install (and it showed the one from the backports repo). Now I have to figure out why that version does not show up in synaptic. Perhaps I'll figure out how to install it using apt-get or aptitude instead. Just a minute while I pastebin that output |
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| 10:35 | <edbian> | http://pastebin.com/HeT0gk02 |
| 10:36 | <edbian> | Did anybody double check my sources.list? |
| 10:38 | <jordanm> | edbian: never saw them. what is the output of aptitude install -f? |
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| 10:38 | <jordanm> | ,versions gstreamer0.10-plugins-good |
| 10:38 | <judd> | gstreamer0.10-plugins-good -- etch: 0.10.4-4; etch-security: 0.10.4-4+etch1; lenny: 0.10.8-4.1~lenny2; lenny-security: 0.10.8-4.1~lenny2; sid: 0.10.22-1; squeeze: 0.10.22-1 |
| 10:39 | <edbian> | Stop showing me that the packages I want are in the repos I have selected. I'm aware of that. Tell aptitude that! |
| 10:39 | <edbian> | My sources: http://pastebin.com/1yRxmGTe |
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| 10:39 | <jordanm> | edbian: I was checking for myself. lets see aptitude install -f and your sources.list |
| 10:39 | <edbian> | You have my sources above^ |
| 10:40 | <edbian> | aptitude -f install wants to install a bunch of stuff and remove a bunch of other stuff. 67 new and 30 to remove. Do you want me to pastebin it? There is nothing I can see related to our problem. |
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| 10:41 | <edbian> | http://pastebin.com/RtYM1Z3e |
| 10:41 | <themill> | edbian: "aptitude -f install" should never want to do anything |
| 10:41 | <edbian> | ha ha |
| 10:41 | <edbian> | It wants to do a lot |
| 10:41 | <ODDity> | you mean -t install? |
| 10:42 | <jordanm> | it usually means you had unresolved issues such as broken packages to start with |
| 10:42 | <themill> | ODDity: err... no. |
| 10:42 | <edbian> | I think you're right. How can I fix this? Using that command? |
| 10:42 | <ODDity> | k |
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| 10:42 | <edbian> | ODDity, -t specifies a repo. |
| 10:42 | <edbian> | My apt database is a mess isn't it! :) |
| 10:43 | <ml|> | -f install or install -f as edbian did in his paste? |
| 10:43 | <themill> | edbian: you probably don't want aptitude to remove all of gnome like that on you |
| 10:43 | <edbian> | ml|, I selected no |
| 10:43 | <edbian> | ha ha, yeah gnome-core I need that huh |
| 10:43 | <edbian> | Why is it listed as "broken" ?? |
| 10:44 | <edbian> | I thought broken meant "not fully installed" or un-usable |
| 10:44 | <ml|> | read above and what you did; unless I'm missing something |
| 10:45 | <jordanm> | edbian: in this case you probably removed a meta package that those packages were autoinstalled on |
| 10:45 | <jordanm> | edbian: try: aptitude keep-all |
| 10:45 | <edbian> | jordanm, I think you're right |
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| 10:45 | <edbian> | simply "sudo aptitude keep-all" |
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| 10:45 | <jordanm> | if you configured sudo to allow running aptitude, yes |
| 10:45 | <edbian> | done |
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| 10:46 | <edbian> | now "aptitude -f" doesn't want to do anything anymore |
| 10:46 | <edbian> | Thank you! That's was easy :) |
| 10:46 | <edbian> | Is it truly fixed yet? |
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| 10:47 | <jordanm> | edbian: don't know, do you still have issues installing the application? |
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| 10:48 | <edbian> | jordanm, I just re-tried "sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install empathy" and It is still bad. 11 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 2 to remove, 104 not upgraded with breaking dependencies all over. Do you want a a pastebin ?? |
| 10:49 | <jordanm> | edbian: yes |
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| 10:49 | <edbian> | http://pastebin.com/YGBEaH0s Here |
| 10:50 | <edbian> | Feel free to tell me what you're thinking. I'm pretty lost on the details of the apt package manager |
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| 10:50 | <themill> | edbian: can you please show us "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good" |
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| 10:52 | <edbian> | http://pastebin.com/Khk2yGfC |
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| 10:53 | <edbian> | Is there anything wrong with those? The priorities seem right to me. |
| 10:53 | <themill> | edbian: 1 is not right for bpo |
| 10:54 | <edbian> | themill, What should it be? |
| 10:54 | <themill> | the instructions page on bpo says "200"; any value 100 < P < 500 would be fine. |
| 10:54 | <edbian> | and how do I change it? |
| 10:55 | <themill> | edbian: edit /etc/apt/preferences |
| 10:55 | <edbian> | How was it set like that in the first place? All I did was add it to my sources.list |
| 10:55 | <themill> | You must have set it somehow. perhaps synaptic gives you a way of doing so. |
| 10:55 | <edbian> | I have no such file... |
| 10:55 | <edbian> | /etc/apt does not contain preferences |
| 10:56 | <themill> | how about /etc/apt/preferences.d ? |
| 10:56 | <edbian> | nope |
| 10:56 | <edbian> | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d /et/apt/sources.list.d/ /etc/apt/sources.list and it isn't in any sub folders |
| 10:56 | <themill> | very very odd.... and you really didn't read the instructions page on backports.org very carefully, did you... |
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| 10:57 | <edbian> | I didn't read it at all! I have never been to that sight. I just googled "how to add backports" What if I do this? Totally remove backports from my sources.list and start again from that website |
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| 10:58 | <themill> | just follow the instructions now |
| 10:58 | <edbian> | locate preferences | grep apt /usr/share/man/es/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz; /usr/share/man/fr/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz; /usr/share/man/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz; /usr/share/man/pt_BR/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz; /usr/share/synaptic/glade/window_preferences.glade |
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| 10:59 | <edbian> | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions correct? |
| 10:59 | <locklace> | according to just those instructions, "All backports are deactivated by default (i.e. the packages are pinned to 1 by using NotAutomatic: yes in the Release files, just as in experimental)." |
| 10:59 | <jordanm> | edbian: just look at the bottom of the instruction page and add what it say to preferences |
| 10:59 | <edbian> | jordanm, accept I don't have that file? |
| 10:59 | <jordanm> | locklace: right.. even with lack of reading instructions there should not have been a priority of 1 |
| 10:59 | <jordanm> | edbian: create it |
| 11:00 | <locklace> | what |
| 11:00 | <themill> | locklace: duh.. yeah. I thought it was -1 by default. |
| 11:00 | <edbian> | Did any of you have a look at my sources.list ever? |
| 11:01 | <jordanm> | yes, we saw it |
| 11:01 | <themill> | edbian: looks fine. Although you probably don't really want l-p-u in there at all. |
| 11:01 | <edbian> | can I combine lines like: deb ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny contrib deb ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main to be something like deb ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny contribmain ??? |
| 11:02 | <jordanm> | edbian: lines 5 and 12 could be combined, although I don't think it will cause issues otherwise |
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| 11:02 | <edbian> | ok thanks |
| 11:02 | <edbian> | I always thought it was ugly : |
| 11:02 | <themill> | edbian: with a space between contrib and main |
| 11:02 | <edbian> | yeah |
| 11:02 | <edbian> | typo |
| 11:02 | <edbian> | thanks |
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| 11:13 | <edbian> | Things are not any better with that file created. |
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| 11:16 | <jordanm> | edbian: what does apt-cache policy show as the priority now? |
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| 11:20 | <themill> | edbian: precisely which client do you want to use btw. "empathy" or some other client? |
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| 11:20 | <edbian> | I don't care. I want facebook chat in an app |
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| 11:21 | <themill> | well you were trying to install "libempathy23" earlier which isn't a client.... so what were you trying to install it for? |
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| 11:21 | <edbian> | empathy version 2 requires libempathy23 |
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| 11:24 | <themill> | gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad on bpo appears to be completely uninstallable which borks empathy. Perhaps try writing to the backports-users mailing list and ask if this is a known problem and if a fix is on the way. |
| 11:24 | <themill> | !backports-users |
| 11:24 | <dpkg> | Questions and problems with <backports.org> packages can also be addressed to the backports-users mailing list. Subscribe: http://lists.backports.org/mailman/listinfo/backports-users . Archives: http://lists.backports.org/lurker-bpo/list/backports-users.html |
| 11:24 | <edbian> | thanks |
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| 11:26 | <edbian> | How do you specify a package version number on the cli? |
| 11:26 | <edbian> | aptitude install package=2.6.2.1 ?? |
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| 11:37 | <jordanm> | edbian: yes |
| 11:38 | <edbian> | jordanm, No matter it didn't work |
| 11:38 | <edbian> | Thanks though |
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| 11:38 | <jordanm> | edbian: I would follow through with themill |
| 11:38 | <jordanm> | err themill's suggestion of the backports-users list |
| 11:38 | <edbian> | yeah |
| 11:38 | <edbian> | I am |
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| 11:41 | <inkbottle> | I've installed nouveau-driver, from debian-sid; how then do i switch from nv to nouveau (probably not with editing xorg.conf i guess)? |
| 11:42 | <edbian> | inkbottle, "sudo modprobe nouveau" ? |
| 11:42 | <edbian> | inkbottle, does lspci -k list it as being used? |
| 11:42 | <jordanm> | inkbottle: anything in /usr/share/doc/nouveau-driver/*? |
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| 11:42 | <Torsten_W> | nouveau does not work, without the matching kernel |
| 11:43 | <inkbottle> | Torsten_W, really; what kern then do i need? |
| 11:43 | <jordanm> | ,versions nouveau-driver |
| 11:43 | <judd> | Sorry, no package named 'nouveau-driver' was found. |
| 11:43 | <Torsten_W> | one, who brings the right module |
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| 11:44 | <Torsten_W> | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is the package |
| 11:44 | <bighornram> | can I safely delete all files in /tmp? |
| 11:44 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, and nouveau is useless at the moment |
| 11:44 | <jordanm> | bighornram: typically, yes, but there may be a application currently running using files there |
| 11:44 | <dr|z3d> | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 11:44 | <judd> | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -- sid: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-3; squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-3 |
| 11:45 | <edbian> | bighornram, It is emptied each reboot |
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| 11:46 | <inkbottle> | Torsten_W, think it's still useless? well... |
| 11:46 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, the abi will be changed again |
| 11:46 | <bighornram> | something is preventing me from burning dvd's all of a sudden. |
| 11:46 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, no 3D without mesa >= 7.9 |
| 11:47 | <edbian> | bighornram, Only your knowledge of the operating system |
| 11:47 | <inkbottle> | but if i wan't just to switch between two drivers (video); what should i have to do? |
| 11:47 | <bighornram> | ouch@ |
| 11:47 | <edbian> | bighornram, sorry :) |
| 11:47 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, you will switch between what? |
| 11:47 | <bighornram> | maybe that is why i came here. |
| 11:47 | <inkbottle> | Torsten_W, i don't either have 3d with nv |
| 11:48 | <bighornram> | and i am trying to figure it out |
| 11:48 | <inkbottle> | from nv to nouveau |
| 11:48 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, nouveau is not ready yet |
| 11:48 | <ODDity> | bighornram, tried k3b ? |
| 11:49 | <bighornram> | I have tried nero4, and brasero both failing |
| 11:49 | <inkbottle> | but what should be the debian way to do that? (because it's out of date editing xorg.conf) |
| 11:50 | <ODDity> | bighornram, try k3b |
| 11:50 | <ODDity> | though.. maybe if could grab some error messages |
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| 11:53 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, if you are speaking of the actual xorg, configs-snippeds are placed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/XX-foo.conf |
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| 11:55 | <ravi> | hi, is there any way to recover a file which was cleared from /tmp/ on reboot |
| 11:55 | <ravi> | it's a zip archive |
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| 11:55 | <azeem> | ravi: probably not |
| 11:55 | <azeem> | ravi: unless you want to spend 1000+ $ on it |
| 11:56 | <bighornram> | ODDity: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SJX3s2nY |
| 11:57 | <ravi> | ordinary rm-ed files can be recovered using lsof, right?(just asking, not digging for a solution for my original problem) |
| 11:57 | <ODDity> | bighornram, have you tried burning at a lower speed? |
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| 11:57 | <bighornram> | yes |
| 11:57 | <inkbottle> | Torsten_W, i haven't got some /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory /) |
| 11:58 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, then make it |
| 11:58 | <azeem> | ravi: no |
| 11:58 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, systemwide configs are placed in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 11:58 | <azeem> | ravi: first off, it depends on the file system they were on |
| 11:59 | <ravi> | reiserfs |
| 11:59 | <ODDity> | bighornram, i've not used nero so.. I'm not sure i'm afraid.. Yout dont really want to be making any more coasters eh but you could try k3b. Perhaps someone else might have an idea with the nice information you provided |
| 11:59 | <inkbottle> | Torsten_W, but how did the system proceeded at first time? (grep -R nv /etc/X11 gives nothing) |
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| 12:00 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, xorg uses nv as standard, if the package is installed |
| 12:00 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, no conf needed |
| 12:00 | <inkbottle> | ok |
| 12:00 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, u need a conf only, if you want to use another driver |
| 12:00 | <bighornram> | ODDity: here is log from brasero.. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tRXr6SVu |
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| 12:01 | <Torsten_W> | inkbottle, and i will repeat myself, nouveau does only work, if there is a matching nouveau kernel-module, and a matching libdrm |
| 12:01 | <ODDity> | bighornram, you've got plenty of HD space I take is.. especially in /tmp |
| 12:02 | <ODDity> | what are you trying to burn? |
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| 12:04 | <bighornram> | compilation created from avi's. |
| 12:04 | <jordanm> | bighornram: I had some issues with brasero recently. I found them to be known bugs on the BTS so I switched to k3b (which I find to be a better app anyways) |
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| 12:04 | <jordanm> | bighornram: you may want to do the same |
| 12:04 | <ODDity> | +1 for k3b |
| 12:04 | <bighornram> | will give it a try. i have had good luck with nero...until now. |
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| 12:08 | <bighornram> | ODDity: what i find odd (no punn intended) is that brasero identifies 17 mb available, when I burn with brasero on another machine it identifies 4.3Gb |
| 12:08 | <inkbottle> | Torsten_W, Ok; thanks for the how to change from nv to what ever. about using nouveau now, I temporarily give up (thanks again for the "editing" xorg.conf) |
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| 12:09 | <ODDity> | bighornram, perhaps the squeeze version is a little buggy still? |
| 12:10 | <jordanm> | beyond "a little" buggy from when I was reading the bug page last night... |
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| 12:10 | <bighornram> | ODDity: that is what I am thinking too. maybe |
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| 12:14 | <bighornram> | thanks for your ideas. |
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| 12:14 | <ODDity> | mmkay |
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| 12:30 | <latenal> | hello, how to set a swticher (the button on my laptop) to switch both bluetooth and wifi. Bluetooth and wifi work properly but the button switches bluetooth only. It used to switch them both in Vista. |
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| 12:31 | <latenal> | and the led light always indicates "ON" |
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| 12:39 | <latenal> | is anybody there? |
| 12:39 | <azeem> | !anyone |
| 12:39 | <dpkg> | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 12:40 | <monitor> | www.globo.com |
| 12:40 | <locklace> | !lart monitor |
| 12:40 | * | dpkg whips out a sword and chops monitor in half |
| 12:40 | <bja> | !pie locklace |
| 12:40 | * | dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie |
| 12:40 | * | EagleRock hides from dpkg |
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| 12:41 | <latenal> | how to set a swticher (the button on my laptop) to switch both bluetooth and wifi? |
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| 12:42 | <bja> | latenal: check the bios settings first |
| 12:42 | <latenal> | there is no this setting |
| 12:43 | <latenal> | bja, i've cheched it |
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| 12:45 | <bja> | latenal: chech the scancode of the key, assign it to a map and to a function you want. Sorry you will have to google the rest I'm tending a few different matters at this momment |
| 12:46 | <latenal> | bja, thanks |
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| 12:50 | <latenal> | it doesn't have a scancode. xev shows nothing :( |
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| 12:52 | <AcePreshaw> | !ops |
| 12:52 | <dpkg> | i heard ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 12:52 | <AcePreshaw> | $problem |
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| 12:54 | <AcePreshaw> | dpkg ops $help |
| 12:54 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: acepreshaw complains about: $help |
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| 12:58 | <AcePreshaw> | fuvk |
| 12:58 | <AcePreshaw> | fuck |
| 12:58 | <azeem> | AcePreshaw: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 13:07 | <ottoshmidt> | i have installed a Sound Maker Value 5.1 (Genius) sound card on my pc and debian has recognized it but i wonder if i should install a driver from Genius to have all features running, like |
| 13:07 | <ottoshmidt> | R-out, F-out etc. or driver from debian handles that ok? |
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| 13:10 | <kop> | ottoshmidt: I don't know. But if you install a 3rd party driver then you may see probems with security updates, and especailly when upgrading to a new release. |
| 13:11 | <ottoshmidt> | yes that's a common issue |
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| 13:12 | <cahoot> | ottoshmidt: find its pciid and check what support alsa has for it |
| 13:12 | <kop> | ottoshmidt: I rarely find the bother worth while and so wait for the in-kernel driver to be enhanced if it does not already do everything I need. You may find a newer kernel from backports.org would help. |
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| 13:13 | <ottoshmidt> | cahoot, how do i do that? |
| 13:13 | <ottoshmidt> | lspci i guess and then? |
| 13:13 | <cahoot> | ottoshmidt: lspci -nn |
| 13:14 | <ottoshmidt> | and how i check what support does alsa have? |
| 13:14 | <cahoot> | ottoshmidt: google I thought |
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| 13:21 | <bja> | cahoot: /mdg judd pciid the output, usually it has some usefull links |
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| 13:33 | <ottoshmidt> | btw i don't seem to have /etc/asound.conf file and what does it use instead? |
| 13:34 | <ottoshmidt> | and there isn't any ~/asound.con either |
| 13:34 | <ottoshmidt> | *.conf |
| 13:35 | <cahoot> | /var/lib/alsa/asound.state? |
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| 13:38 | <ottoshmidt> | cahoot, yes there is such a file |
| 13:39 | <cahoot> | /var/lib/alsa/asound.state keeps the mixersettings |
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| 14:05 | <philsf> | hiu, I have a sarge install, I'd like to upgrade. Is it possible to upgrade directly to lenny? |
| 14:05 | <locklace> | no |
| 14:05 | <locklace> | dpkg: tell philsf about sarge->etch |
| 14:06 | <locklace> | dpkg: tell philsf about etch->lenny |
| 14:07 | <locklace> | but consider just backing up your data and doing a clean reinstall |
| 14:07 | <philsf> | locklace, why so? |
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| 14:08 | <locklace> | as a concession to your sanity? |
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| 14:08 | <locklace> | also, the end result of a double upgrade is unlikely to be as clean as what you'll get with a reinstall |
| 14:09 | <bja> | Beeing a clean install faster to perform |
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| 14:11 | <philsf> | I thought each upgrade would give me less downtime, even if the whole process was longer |
| 14:11 | <philsf> | but really, I get that sarge is too old for hopes |
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| 14:12 | <jordanm> | most people would have likely upgraded their sarge installs during the years etch was stable... and again when lenny is stable. Being two releases behind is not all that common |
| 14:12 | <locklace> | i'd say the back-up-and-reinstall option is more predictable and reliable than the double upgrade one as regards downtime |
| 14:12 | <locklace> | but ymmv |
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| 14:15 | <u3> | chat |
| 14:16 | <locklace> | !confuse u3 |
| 14:16 | <dpkg> | No, how was their gerbil tomorrow, u3? Pants of the Republic of Tahiti with extra anchovies. |
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| 14:27 | <philsf> | when was webmin removed? |
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| 14:28 | <dr|z3d> | !webmin |
| 14:28 | <dpkg> | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 14:28 | <Woet> | How would I hide STDERR from the screen? (and just show STDOUT) |
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| 14:30 | <jackyf> | Woet: append '2>/dev/null' to a command |
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| 14:30 | <Woet> | lets see |
| 14:30 | <Woet> | cool |
| 14:30 | <Woet> | thanks :) |
| 14:30 | <Gathond> | or 2> something to have it go into a file, and not a black hole |
| 14:30 | <Gathond> | in case it proved important at some point |
| 14:30 | <Woet> | i like black holes |
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| 15:03 | <disposable> | my webhosting company has apache set up so that even if my ~ and everything in it is chmod 700, the contents of public_html (also chmod 700) are viewable by the outside world. on my squeeze+apache2, i have to have ~ (711), public_html(711) and everything in it has to be world readable. how do i convince apache to behave like apache of my webhosting company? |
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| 15:16 | <h2o> | i get a message saying, possible litmus trojan |
| 15:16 | <h2o> | can anyone help me please |
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| 15:21 | <petemc> | h2o: message from what? |
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| 15:22 | <h2o> | from an irc server, it banned me, and told me possible litmus trojan :S |
| 15:23 | <h2o> | sorry |
| 15:23 | <h2o> | sorry |
| 15:23 | <dr|z3d> | h2o: Were you connecting via a proxy? |
| 15:24 | <h2o> | no |
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| 15:24 | <h2o> | im using xchat. home connection |
| 15:25 | <dr|z3d> | And you're on Debian? |
| 15:25 | <h2o> | ubuntu :S |
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| 15:25 | <h2o> | they were no help to me... |
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| 15:25 | <h2o> | i get the same error, ban message using irssi |
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| 15:25 | <dr|z3d> | h2o: litmus is a windows trojan. Ignore the error. |
| 15:25 | <matt__> | a |
| 15:26 | <matt__> | hi |
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| 15:26 | <h2o> | oh. ok |
| 15:26 | <dr|z3d> | You should have researched that yourself. |
| 15:27 | <h2o> | thats not the message i get dr|z3d |
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| 15:27 | <dr|z3d> | <h2o> from an irc server, it banned me, and told me possible litmus trojan :S |
| 15:27 | <dr|z3d> | Make up your mind. |
| 15:28 | <h2o> | no, i mean, im on google, and there are ppl talking about it, on linux |
| 15:28 | <h2o> | litmus trojan on linux |
| 15:28 | <h2o> | thats what i mean, |
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| 15:29 | <dr|z3d> | !fgi h2o litmus+trojan |
| 15:29 | <dpkg> | h2o: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=litmus+trojan |
| 15:29 | <dr|z3d> | That's enough help, anways. You're on Ubuntu, which we don't support here. So consider yourself blessed 8) |
| 15:30 | <dr|z3d> | !ubuntu |
| 15:30 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 15:30 | <dr|z3d> | !next |
| 15:30 | <dpkg> | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 15:31 | <gattuso> | !lol |
| 15:31 | <dpkg> | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 15:33 | <ignotusp> | AOL begins with A, but not L :) |
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| 15:35 | <ignotusp> | can I configure inittab in Debian to start X at boot like in archlinux http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_boot ? |
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| 15:38 | <philsf> | is there an official or recommended /etc/* file where debian systems should store its rules? |
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| 15:41 | <amphi> | ignotusp: install xdm or equiv |
| 15:41 | <locklace> | philsf: what rules |
| 15:42 | <philsf> | locklace, I missed the "iptables" part of the question (duh) |
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| 15:42 | <locklace> | no, unless you use ferm, which you should |
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| 15:44 | <philsf> | locklace, will look into that, thanks |
| 15:45 | <ignotusp> | amphi: I want to load xorg without windows manager |
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| 15:47 | <amphi> | ignotusp: you can use a dm & a session that runs whatever you want, as far as I know - it doesn't have to be a wm |
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| 15:48 | <ignotusp> | amphi: display manager* |
| 15:48 | <amphi> | that is what I meant, yes |
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| 15:51 | <anodesni> | I've installed Debian testin, but internet is very slow and pinging results in 66% package loss. Is this a known bug, should I disable ipv6?? |
| 15:52 | <locklace> | pinging what |
| 15:52 | <anodesni> | google |
| 15:52 | <locklace> | how about your default gateway |
| 15:52 | <anodesni> | how about it? |
| 15:52 | <locklace> | what kind of hardware and ethernet interface |
| 15:53 | <anodesni> | aetheros athk5 |
| 15:53 | <anodesni> | wireless |
| 15:53 | <anodesni> | but I've noticed the installer (netinst) was very slow too, using eth0 |
| 15:53 | <locklace> | dude, try to be systematic here |
| 15:54 | <locklace> | pick one interface |
| 15:54 | <locklace> | run a ping to its next hop for five minutes |
| 15:54 | <locklace> | report the result |
| 15:54 | <anodesni> | I'm sorry, "next hop"? what's that? |
| 15:54 | <amphi> | anodesni: mtr may be of use too |
| 15:55 | <locklace> | also pastebin your /etc/nsswitch.conf and the output of "ifconfig -a", "dmesg", "iwconfig" and "uname -a" |
| 15:55 | <locklace> | anodesni: default gateway. netstat -rn |
| 15:55 | <anodesni> | ok |
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| 16:00 | <anodesni> | locklace, here it is: http://debian.pastebin.com/LpUaBJcg |
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| 16:01 | <locklace> | first two things i'd do are "aptitude purge avahi-daemon" and update your kernel since it's old |
| 16:02 | <anodesni> | here is the netstat info http://debian.pastebin.com/53c0Rk5L |
| 16:03 | <locklace> | wtf |
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| 16:03 | <anodesni> | avahi daemon? I come from Arch linux, and never used it |
| 16:03 | <locklace> | why do you have the same subnet assigned to two interfaces |
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| 16:04 | <anodesni> | locklace, don't know, these things normally work with default settings for me |
| 16:05 | <anodesni> | and my kernel is not old, I use d |
| 16:05 | <anodesni> | locklace, don't know, these things normally work with default settings for me |
| 16:05 | <locklace> | do the above things, then shut down eth0 temporarily with "ifconfig eth0 down", then run the ping test to 192.168.1.254 and google or whatever via wlan0 for five minutes |
| 16:05 | <anodesni> | sry |
| 16:05 | <locklace> | ,kernel --release squeeze |
| 16:05 | <judd> | Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9) |
| 16:06 | <locklace> | your kernel is old |
| 16:06 | <anodesni> | then why are there no updates? |
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| 16:07 | <pippo> | Hello everybody |
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| 16:07 | <pippo> | When I use an application a I have the follow error message: error while loading shared libraries: libdb_cxx-4.1.so |
| 16:08 | <pippo> | How can I fix it? |
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| 16:10 | <rulus> | Good evening! PDF thumbnails are broken here (Gnome/squeeze); evince-thumbnailer is installed but I don't have a /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf directory in gconf. How do I fix this? |
| 16:10 | <anodesni> | locklace, my kernel is amd64 |
| 16:11 | <anodesni> | and removing avahi-daemon results in removing gnome and gnome-desktop |
| 16:11 | <amphi> | anodesni: what does uname -r say? |
| 16:11 | <anodesni> | amp, 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 16:12 | <amphi> | you want to upgrade that, as locklace suggested |
| 16:12 | <anodesni> | amphi, well, I do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, but there are no updates |
| 16:13 | <anodesni> | maybe it has something to do with my 66% package loss |
| 16:13 | <amphi> | apt-cache search linux-image should show 'linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64'; if so, install it |
| 16:15 | <anodesni> | amphi, what is this "trunk" kernel? |
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| 16:16 | <amphi> | !trunk |
| 16:16 | <dpkg> | [trunk][trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) . Debian -trunk- kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>. |
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| 16:17 | <anodesni> | amphi, I see, the new kernel is already installed, but so is this trunk, then I delete that |
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| 16:18 | <amphi> | I tend not to delete old kernels until I know the new one is working ok |
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| 16:18 | <anodesni> | aargh |
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| 16:18 | <anodesni> | I guess grub2 doesn't use menu.lst anymore |
| 16:19 | <amphi> | no - why do you need to fiddle with it? |
| 16:19 | <anodesni> | amphi, to boot the new kernel! |
| 16:20 | <amphi> | anodesni: the new kernel package will have created an entry for it in the grub menu |
| 16:20 | <amphi> | or should have done |
| 16:20 | <anodesni> | amphi, i should check, will reboot, brb |
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| 16:25 | <anodesni> | amphi, locklace, I rebooted with the new kernel and internet is fast again. Thanks for your trouble. |
| 16:25 | <amphi> | !rejoice |
| 16:25 | * | dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay." |
| 16:25 | <anodesni> | I still think it's strange that Debian boots this trunk kernel |
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| 16:30 | <amphi> | anodesni: you are using the testing branch... |
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| 16:30 | <amphi> | anodesni: and that kernel is no longer available |
| 16:31 | <anodesni> | yeah, ok, but who uses stable as desktop anyway? |
| 16:32 | <amphi> | you want names? shall we denounce them? |
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| 16:32 | <amphi> | also, I could as well ask, who uses a 'desktop' anyway? |
| 16:33 | <anodesni> | You miss out on a lot of things when you use stable |
| 16:33 | <anodesni> | imho |
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| 16:34 | <amphi> | I prefer to use testing, but one needs to pay more attention and be prepared to deal with occasional breakage |
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| 16:35 | <anodesni> | I hope it will be released as stable this year |
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| 16:37 | <amphi> | uzumaki! |
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| 16:40 | <rudi_s> | anodesni: I prefer stable, it's stable and if I need a newer version I can compile it myself. |
| 16:40 | <amphi> | rudi_s: and there a backports |
| 16:40 | <amphi> | s/a/are |
| 16:40 | <rudi_s> | Yep. |
| 16:40 | <anodesni> | rudi_s, I like stable too, but lenny was just too old for my needs |
| 16:41 | <anodesni> | but I will probably use squeeze as stable for quit a while |
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| 16:47 | <niktaris> | how do I update to kde 4.4.3 on my squeeze box ? |
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| 16:48 | <dr|z3d> | niktaris: Find a repo that supplies it, and add to your apt sources. |
| 16:48 | <niktaris> | done that |
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| 16:48 | <niktaris> | dr|z3d, then what ? |
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| 16:49 | <aiux> | brake you system .. |
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| 16:50 | <simonrvn> | 'break' |
| 16:50 | <simonrvn> | though 'brake' would happen when it broke ;). |
| 16:50 | <dr|z3d> | niktaris: just update. |
| 16:50 | <simonrvn> | everything tops ;) |
| 16:50 | <simonrvn> | stops* |
| 16:51 | <trroulouloiu> | hi , i lost a partition crypted in a file with cryptsetup today |
| 16:51 | <trroulouloiu> | what can i do |
| 16:51 | <trroulouloiu> | ? |
| 16:51 | <dr|z3d> | niktaris: you should then see the new version offered. aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 16:51 | <niktaris> | dr|z3d, not everything just kde |
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| 16:51 | <simonrvn> | trroulouloiu: invoke your $deity through meditative procedures |
| 16:51 | <dr|z3d> | niktaris: Is it already installed? |
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| 16:51 | <niktaris> | dr|z3d, yes |
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| 16:51 | <trroulouloiu> | simonrvn: ?? did nit understand |
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| 16:52 | <dr|z3d> | niktaris: then what I said :) |
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| 16:53 | <niktaris> | dr|z3d, will that not update the whole system to sid ? |
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| 16:53 | <dr|z3d> | niktaris: Um. You've specifed sid's repository? |
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| 16:53 | <simonrvn> | trroulouloiu: don't worry about it, i was half-trolling you. seriously though, do you have backups? how did you lose it? what did you do? we need details. |
| 16:53 | <dr|z3d> | niktaris: In which case, just do an aptitude reinstall <package> |
| 16:54 | <trroulouloiu> | simonrvn: don't know i have that partition for years with all my credentials in it :( and todat when a try to mount it it say error not ext2 file system ... |
| 16:55 | <trroulouloiu> | and my only backup is corrupted to |
| 16:55 | <dr|z3d> | niktaris: That's after you've done an aptitude update. |
| 16:55 | <simonrvn> | and you don't have this elsewhere? oh damn. |
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| 16:56 | <niktaris> | dr|z3d, I have sid reporisotories already added. Question is what <package> to update that will trigger the whole kde system to update but leave everything else alone |
| 16:56 | <trroulouloiu> | no unfortunately |
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| 16:57 | <dr|z3d> | niktaris: Dunno offhand. I'm not big on kde. |
| 16:57 | <trroulouloiu> | my hard disk was dying (too slow ) so i copy my partition on one backup disk and made a backup on my second backup disk |
| 16:57 | <niktaris> | dr|z3d, thanks anyway |
| 16:58 | <trroulouloiu> | and figured out that my crypted partition is dead :( |
| 16:58 | <simonrvn> | wow, just bad luck eh |
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| 16:59 | <trroulouloiu> | pff yes |
| 17:00 | <trroulouloiu> | btw another question why do debian take so much time to upgrade gdm ? |
| 17:00 | <trroulouloiu> | it is still in 2.20 |
| 17:00 | <trroulouloiu> | it is not a complain , i just would like to understand the reason |
| 17:01 | <aiux> | , versions gdm |
| 17:01 | <judd> | gdm -- etch: 2.16.4-1; lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; sid: 2.20.10-3; squeeze: 2.20.10-3 |
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| 17:03 | <trroulouloiu> | yes |
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| 17:03 | <trroulouloiu> | yes the other packahe are in 2.26 .... |
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| 17:07 | <ignotusp> | what about iceweasel 3.6.3? Why is it still in experimental? |
| 17:09 | <locklace> | because it's experimental |
| 17:10 | <ignotusp> | locklace: why so long, firefox realesed a long time ago |
| 17:10 | <ignotusp> | ? |
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| 17:11 | <trroulouloiu> | too few developers actually |
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| 17:24 | <niktaris> | lets have some fun "braking" the system... |
| 17:25 | <aiux> | "braking"TM .. |
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| 17:26 | <Zathraz> | hi. I upgraded lenny->squeeze (amd64) and now iceweasel has all kind of quirks: unable to update extensions/plugins, unable to handle keyboard input. Browsing is possible through hyperlinks only, but is extremely slow. when ran from cli I get an error about libnss3.so which can not be found although it is on my system etc. Is this "normal" for the current 3.5.9 iceweasel on amd64? |
| 17:26 | <niktaris> | aiux, ;-) |
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| 17:27 | <m42> | Zathraz, not on my system.... |
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| 17:28 | <Zathraz> | hmm. On cli I also see "error 89". No idea what that is |
| 17:29 | <Zathraz> | sometimes that is |
| 17:29 | <Zathraz> | however consistent is: |
| 17:29 | <Zathraz> | nsHeaderInfo: registerSelf called! |
| 17:29 | <Zathraz> | *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 17:30 | <m42> | Zathraz, maybe some corrupted or badly instaled package ? |
| 17:30 | <Zathraz> | no idea. Fresh install/upgrade from yesterday |
| 17:31 | <m42> | maybe apt-get install libnsss3-1d solves your problem.... |
| 17:32 | <aiux> | libnss3-1d* is installed ? |
| 17:32 | <Zathraz> | yes it is. Even the dev is installed |
| 17:32 | <Zathraz> | iirc however iceweasel has it's own version |
| 17:32 | <Zathraz> | at least iceape actually has |
| 17:33 | <Zathraz> | iceape works fine |
| 17:33 | <locklace> | try shutting down x and reinstalling iceweasel/xulrunner |
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| 17:33 | <m42> | Zathraz, and removing / unresgistering iceweasel plugins ? |
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| 17:35 | <jorge> | hello! :) i need help whit my debian, i need to install nvidia drivers :S |
| 17:35 | <jorge> | my monitor keeps disconnecting because he doesnt detect the video driver :S |
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| 17:36 | <jorge> | please someone |
| 17:36 | <jorge> | :S |
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| 17:37 | <aiux> | !patience |
| 17:37 | <dpkg> | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 17:37 | <jorge> | i know, im sorry |
| 17:37 | <jorge> | im so happy i finaly was able to install debian!!! im so freaking happy!!! |
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| 17:38 | <Zathraz> | I reinstalled libnss3-1d : that reduced the warning/log of "nsHeaderInfo: registerSelf called!" from 4 to 2 times |
| 17:38 | <bja> | jorge: have you tried in #debian-pt or #debian-br? |
| 17:38 | <Zathraz> | still did not work. next I uninstalled the "showIP" plugin |
| 17:39 | <Zathraz> | still the same error, however the rest seems to work now |
| 17:39 | <jorge> | bja |
| 17:39 | <jorge> | but why ? |
| 17:40 | <bja> | aren't you from portugal? |
| 17:40 | <jorge> | those $chans are empty :S |
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| 17:40 | <jorge> | yes from portugal |
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| 17:40 | <bja> | jorge: Never mind, i was beeing a pita |
| 17:40 | <jorge> | :p |
| 17:41 | <jorge> | im happy i was able to perfectly install debian!!! no one can bother me :D :D |
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| 17:41 | <jorge> | anyway, im gonna idle here, waiting for a kind, patient sould, to help me :p |
| 17:41 | <Zathraz> | "extensions" -> install gives "is currently disabled. When re-enabled the next try also gives again: is disabled |
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| 17:43 | <Zathraz> | jorge, monitors will never detect videodrivers. However there are tools that do the other way around. Alternatively you can specify monitor definitions by hand. This was how it has been for years |
| 17:43 | <jorge> | ok |
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| 17:44 | <jorge> | but, i had this problem on windows vista, everytime i updated \ added \ the nvidia driver the problem disappeared. |
| 17:44 | <Zathraz> | mdetect can detect your mouse (also needed fo x11) etc |
| 17:44 | <jorge> | thats why i want to install those drivers on debian |
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| 17:45 | <Zathraz> | jorge, there are various options: install generic vga driver, install nv driver (opensource), install the binary driver of nvidia (closed source). iirc there is an article on the debian wiki on the subject. not sure though |
| 17:45 | <Zathraz> | could be elsewhere. Just search the net |
| 17:46 | <jorge> | :) thank you very much |
| 17:47 | <Zathraz> | installing the binary driver may give best performance but is not very much Debian-style. Also it will need to recompile/reinstall at every kernel upgrade |
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| 17:47 | <jorge> | :S |
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| 17:48 | <amphi> | jorge: or you could perhaps try nouveau, I don't know how far it's progressed |
| 17:49 | <jorge> | nouveau, what is that ? |
| 17:49 | <Zathraz> | french for "new" :P |
| 17:49 | <amphi> | an open nvidia driver in development |
| 17:49 | <Zathraz> | sorry |
| 17:49 | <amphi> | !lart Zathraz |
| 17:49 | * | dpkg stabs Zathraz |
| 17:49 | <jorge> | oh, |
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| 17:49 | <jorge> | !google nouveau nvidia ? |
| 17:49 | <jorge> | like this ? |
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| 17:52 | <locklace> | !tell jorge about nouveau |
| 17:53 | <jorge> | thank you! |
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| 17:58 | <Zathraz> | hmm. iceweasel is still not able to handle loginforms :-( |
| 17:58 | <Zathraz> | nothing in logs |
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| 18:11 | <metrahla_> | where can i ask a question about PXE booting |
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| 18:11 | <dr|z3d> | metrahla: What distro are you on? |
| 18:12 | <metrahla_> | debian |
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| 18:13 | <leino> | hi guys, quick question |
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| 18:14 | <leino> | Im trying to install gprof on debian |
| 18:14 | <leino> | apt-get install gprof |
| 18:14 | <leino> | does not work |
| 18:14 | <leino> | it says there is no package named gprof |
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| 18:15 | <m42> | leino, try binutils |
| 18:16 | <leino> | apt-get install binutils? |
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| 18:16 | <m42> | yes |
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| 18:17 | <leino> | "binutils is already the newest version" |
| 18:17 | <dr|z3d> | I was going to say, ask, but he left. |
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| 18:17 | <niktaris> | that went nice... |
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| 18:17 | <m42> | leino, so, you should have already gprof installed.... |
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| 18:18 | <leino> | wth... now I can run gprof all of a sudden |
| 18:18 | <leino> | thanks I guess |
| 18:18 | <m42> | you're welcome |
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| 18:28 | <zekoZeko> | hi everyone. I'm trying to build Cyrus IMAP 2.3 packages on Squeeze and have this problem: |
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| 18:28 | <zekoZeko> | May 10 22:20:34 mail cyrus/notify[4505]: incorrect version of Berkeley db: compiled against 4.8.26, linked against 4.7.25 |
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| 18:29 | <jorge> | how can i exit the x-server so i can install the nvidia drivers ? |
| 18:29 | <zekoZeko> | how can i fix this? i took the 2.3.8 package from experimental and run uupdate to 2.3.16. What I have works on Lenny, but on Squeeze I encountered the problem. |
| 18:30 | <dr|z3d> | jorge: try ctrl+alt+bkspc. |
| 18:30 | <dr|z3d> | you could also /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 18:30 | <dr|z3d> | (assuming you're running gdm) |
| 18:31 | <themill> | zekoZeko: did you recompile the package on a squeeze machine? |
| 18:31 | <zekoZeko> | themill: ofcourse. I also changed the build-deps to libdb4.6-dev on Lenny and libdb4.8-dev on Squeeze |
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| 18:32 | <themill> | zekoZeko: do you have libdb4.8 installed? |
| 18:32 | <zekoZeko> | themill: yes. |
| 18:33 | <themill> | try running "ldd" against the binary in question to see what version of the library it's picking up |
| 18:33 | <zekoZeko> | 4.7 |
| 18:34 | <zekoZeko> | did that first thing :) |
| 18:34 | <themill> | the compilation should have explicitly linked against the 4.8 version.... |
| 18:34 | <zekoZeko> | how can i force that? |
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| 18:35 | <zekoZeko> | i have both 4.7and 4.8 installed on the build host, I don't think i can uninstall 4.7 because stuff depends on it |
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| 18:35 | <root__> | hi |
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| 18:36 | <themill> | zekoZeko: to verify that it works, you could monkey with LDPRELOAD. I don't know why the linker stage didn't do this properly for you in the first place though. |
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| 18:37 | <zekoZeko> | themill: any tips where i should look to fix this? I'll need this working again in the future as cyrus 2.3 won't be in the archive soon it seems :) |
| 18:39 | <jordanm> | if it runs on lenny.. whats stopping you from running lenny? Is there a need for squeeze? |
| 18:40 | <zekoZeko> | jordanm: i'm building a new mail server and I don't feel like upgrading it in a few months when squeeze comes out :) |
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| 18:40 | <jordanm> | !moving target |
| 18:40 | <dpkg> | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
| 18:41 | <zekoZeko> | jordanm: i'm well aware of what "testing" is and usually quite capable of handling it, but the problem I have is more of a packaging problem :) |
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| 18:47 | <zekoZeko> | oh, i think i've found the problem :) # IF YOU CHANGE BERKELEY DB VERSION, MAKE SURE TO UPDATE # DBENGINE AT THE TOP OF THIS MAKEFILE! |
| 18:47 | <zekoZeko> | :) |
| 18:48 | <themill> | heh |
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| 18:49 | <jorge> | i managed to install nvidia!!!!!! problem solved!!! |
| 18:49 | <zekoZeko> | not sure if it will help... $DBENGINE is only used here: echo "DBENGINE $(DBENGINE)" >>debian/cyrus-db-types.txt |
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| 18:50 | <jorge> | does anyone want me to say how ______ |
| 18:50 | <zekoZeko> | rebuilding, will report later :) |
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| 18:51 | <jorge> | i need help, now my keybord is not in portuguese help me please |
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| 18:53 | <yfk> | is there an advantage to compiling things yourself rather than getting them precompiled? |
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| 18:54 | <zekoZeko> | nope, still links to db4.7 |
| 18:54 | <zekoZeko> | yfk: only in case the required program versions are not in the archive yet :) |
| 18:55 | <yfk> | zekoZeko, thanks |
| 18:55 | <zekoZeko> | yfk: why are you asking? |
| 18:56 | <zekoZeko> | yfk: sometimes there are compile time optimizations that affect performance, but you'll rarely need that. |
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| 18:56 | <yfk> | zekoZeko, yeah, that's what I've ment |
| 18:57 | <zekoZeko> | yfk: or the package has some options disabled that you need, but otherwise, it's a pain in the ass to compile things yourself :) |
| 18:57 | <yfk> | is it possible that a precompiled version doesen't use any instruction set or something? |
| 18:57 | <zekoZeko> | yfk: anything is possible :) |
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| 18:58 | <yfk> | yeah :) is it probable? |
| 18:58 | <zekoZeko> | yfk: no idea. any specific package in mind? |
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| 18:59 | <zekoZeko> | anyone else here fluent (at least more than I am) with packaging and my libdb problems? |
| 18:59 | <yfk> | not really. nothing specific. X or the kernel seem like decent packages to wonder about... not that I'm going to compile either, any ways :) |
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| 19:00 | <zekoZeko> | yfk: i haven't really felt a need to compile my own kernel for at least 5 years :) |
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| 19:02 | <jorge> | how do i change my keyboard layout please |
| 19:03 | <aiux> | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 19:03 | <yfk> | zekoZeko, thanks for the info |
| 19:03 | <yfk> | good night |
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| 19:04 | <jorge> | thank you |
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| 19:33 | <zekoZeko> | building again... i think it just might work this time :) |
| 19:35 | <zekoZeko> | # ldd imap/imapd| grep libdb |
| 19:35 | <zekoZeko> | libdb-4.8.so => /usr/lib/libdb-4.8.so (0x00007fe8b50a2000) |
| 19:35 | <zekoZeko> | WIN! :) |
| 19:35 | <amphi> | heh |
| 19:35 | <bja> | !win zekoZeko |
| 19:35 | <dpkg> | Congratulations, zekoZeko! You have won the US presidency! |
| 19:36 | <amphi> | that's unkind |
| 19:36 | <themill> | zekoZeko: yay ;) |
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| 19:43 | <bja> | !congratulate zekoZeko |
| 19:43 | <dpkg> | Good show zekoZeko, you did it! |
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| 19:47 | <zekoZeko> | haha |
| 19:47 | <zekoZeko> | well, it seems i've thrown away a few hours today :) |
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| 19:48 | <zekoZeko> | https://mail.incase.de/svn/cyrus22/branches/cyrus23 |
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| 19:48 | <zekoZeko> | i'll build this one and see if it works better, the one I got has some minor quirks still. |
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| 19:52 | <k-man> | i'm getting this strange error when i apt-get update: Something wicked happened resolving 'mirror.internode.on.net:ftp' (-11) |
| 19:52 | <k-man> | i think its something to do with perl being broken |
| 19:52 | <k-man> | and I can' |
| 19:52 | <k-man> | t fix it because apt-get is broken now |
| 19:52 | <zekoZeko> | what happens when you ping that address? or even better, telnet mirror.internode.on.net 21 |
| 19:53 | <zekoZeko> | k-man: the error suggests there's something wrong with your resolving. |
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| 19:53 | <k-man> | zekoZeko: yeah, but i can resolve the host via ping |
| 19:53 | <k-man> | so unless apt-get uses some bizzare method of resolving? |
| 19:54 | <dr|z3d> | !why aptitude |
| 19:54 | <dpkg> | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 19:54 | <k-man> | i get the same sort of errors with aptitude |
| 19:55 | <aiux> | k-man, use debian mirror |
| 19:55 | <aiux> | s. |
| 19:55 | <k-man> | Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-11) |
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| 19:55 | <themill> | !dbugs 551760 |
| 19:55 | <dpkg> | DONE:#551760:N[apt] apt: Something wicked happened resolving (); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:39:05 UTC [] |
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| 19:55 | <k-man> | err.. how do i look that up? |
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| 19:56 | <k-man> | mn, ill google it |
| 19:56 | <k-man> | wget is able to resolve hosts btw |
| 19:57 | <themill> | actually, that's a different bug |
| 19:58 | <Sol> | i need, to add vnc option, to the remote desktop viewer , but i dont no how to. |
| 19:58 | <k-man> | themill: any suggestions as to how to fix it? |
| 19:58 | <k-man> | or even diagnose it? |
| 19:59 | <dr|z3d> | Sol: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:59 | <dr|z3d> | Remote Desktop viewer _is_ vnc based. |
| 19:59 | <Sol> | im trying to connect to my server |
| 19:59 | <Sol> | on ubuntu i had the option to connect, ssh and vnc |
| 19:59 | <Sol> | i only had to select vence and put the ip, but on debian the option vnc, is not there ... |
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| 20:00 | <dr|z3d> | aptitude install gvncviewer |
| 20:00 | <dr|z3d> | judd versions gvncviewer |
| 20:00 | <judd> | gvncviewer -- etch-backports: 0.3.6-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.3.8-2; sid: 0.3.10-6; squeeze: 0.3.10-6 |
| 20:01 | <themill> | k-man: do you have a sane /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts? |
| 20:01 | <k-man> | themill: yes - all was working - i did an aptitude install of some perl packages, it said it neeeded to resolve conflicts, and now things are broken |
| 20:02 | <themill> | any chance of being more specific than that? |
| 20:02 | <dr|z3d> | k-man: perhaps you can pastebin the error message? |
| 20:03 | <k-man> | ok, meeting bbl |
| 20:03 | <bja> | k-man: have you seen the proper logs to pinpoint the installed and uninstalled packages? |
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| 20:03 | <themill> | # define EAI_SYSTEM -11 /* System error returned in `errno'. */ |
| 20:03 | <themill> | ^^ is the actual error involved. |
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| 20:07 | <PiraRX> | buenas madrugadas |
| 20:08 | <bja> | !es PiraRX |
| 20:08 | <dpkg> | PiraRX: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 20:13 | <bja> | k-man: pinging mirror.internode.on.net should resolve the ip of the host. It is way of testing that you have a good dns resolve |
| 20:16 | <zekoZeko> | bja: he does, we've been through that before. |
| 20:17 | <bja> | zekoZeko: ok, then why didn't he substitute the hostname for the ip on his sources.list, or add that line to the hosts |
| 20:17 | <bja> | file |
| 20:19 | <bja> | zekoZeko: ok, read the relevant lines again and you are right, it will not work even for that. |
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| 20:20 | <zekoZeko> | bja: it seems the problem has been solved, according to the bugreport. |
| 20:20 | <zekoZeko> | bja: so he needs to fetch the package manually and install it with dpkg, but noone told him that yet :) |
| 20:21 | <zekoZeko> | bja: he'll be back sooner or later :) |
| 20:21 | <bja> | !coffee zekoZeko |
| 20:21 | * | dpkg decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Tanzanian for zekoZeko, courtesy of bja |
| 20:21 | <zekoZeko> | haha, i'd better get to bed :) |
| 20:21 | <zekoZeko> | 2:21 am here |
| 20:22 | <bja> | Rest, you deserve it |
| 20:22 | <zekoZeko> | i do, seems i solved my cyrus problems. |
| 20:23 | <zekoZeko> | shit, forgot about a meeting with a customer at 10am |
| 20:23 | <bja> | zekoZeko: i ditch cyrus in favor of dovecot |
| 20:23 | <bja> | /ditch/ditched |
| 20:23 | <zekoZeko> | bja: i still prefer cyrus :) |
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| 20:24 | <bja> | zekoZeko: matter of taste |
| 20:25 | <zekoZeko> | bja: been using 2.2 for a long long time now, but I want 2.3 on the new server, had some trouble packaging it :) |
| 20:25 | * | simonrvn packages his own, and it's a PITA to do so |
| 20:25 | <Metrahla> | what does it means in linux when the disk activity is so so Hi.. that i cant even move my mouse (no commands work) i waited like 7 or 8 minutes and i had to force the power button |
| 20:25 | <zekoZeko> | bja: i think i used every pop3/imap server that is in Debian at one time or another, Cyrus is a little complicated but it also scales well. |
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| 20:26 | <simonrvn> | Metrahla: you go make yourself a beverage and wait |
| 20:26 | <miguel000> | whats wrong about : aptitude purge libboost* ? |
| 20:26 | <simonrvn> | miguel000: depends if other stuff deps on it or not |
| 20:26 | <zekoZeko> | bja: nothing wrong with dovecot though, i use it in a few places. |
| 20:26 | <miguel000> | it just doesnt match anything |
| 20:26 | <bja> | zekoZeko: I'll take that into consideration if i run into trouble with dovecot |
| 20:26 | <zekoZeko> | bja: you won't, it's not a bad piece of software :) |
| 20:27 | <Metrahla> | simonrvn, when i had ubuntu .. i was suspicous about something.. about the Swap.. this time, with debian it was while i was using mermory on Vbox |
| 20:27 | <simonrvn> | probably getting swallowed by the shell |
| 20:27 | <bja> | zekoZeko: Hope you are right ;P |
| 20:27 | <simonrvn> | vbox isn't exactly friendly to the host |
| 20:27 | <miguel000> | maybe i need to escape it |
| 20:27 | <simonrvn> | yes you do |
| 20:27 | <zekoZeko> | simonrvn |
| 20:27 | <simonrvn> | though aptitude behaves differently with globbing like this than apt-get, not sure if it'll work |
| 20:27 | <miguel000> | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libboost*" |
| 20:28 | <simonrvn> | yeh, i figured :/ |
| 20:28 | <simonrvn> | zekoZeko |
| 20:28 | <miguel000> | maybe apt-get would work, but I wanted to use aptitude |
| 20:28 | <zekoZeko> | simonrvn: tabardated, nevermind :) |
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| 20:28 | <simonrvn> | could probably use an aptitude search glob |
| 20:29 | <simonrvn> | like ~i'libboost.*' or something |
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| 20:29 | <simonrvn> | i usually use the ui |
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| 20:30 | <miguel000> | simonrvn, : ok thank yoou |
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| 20:48 | <PovAddict> | hi |
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| 20:49 | <PovAddict> | if I select recovery mode (single user) on boot, it asks for my root password |
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| 20:50 | <PovAddict> | during Debian install, I left the root password blank, which (according to the displayed instructions) locks root login and configures sudo instead |
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| 20:51 | <PovAddict> | it seems that installer option isn't tested much, since lots of things expect a root login unless I manually configure them otherwise |
| 20:52 | <miguel000> | It seems my system is not looking in /usr/local/lib for dynamic libs by default |
| 20:52 | <miguel000> | how can I change this? |
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| 20:58 | <miguel000> | im afraid I linked it inproperly |
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| 21:00 | <gusnan> | miguel000, which version of Debian? |
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| 21:01 | <gusnan> | Previously, I remember adding folders to /etc/ld.so.conf, and then running ldconfig, but now that seems to be a .d -folder system. |
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| 21:02 | <miguel000> | gnusan: it seems to be already in the ld.so.conf |
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| 21:02 | <gusnan> | and if running ldconfig, it doesn't change things? |
| 21:02 | <gusnan> | (I am not sure if you must run it as root or not..) |
| 21:03 | <miguel000> | aaah it changed things.. |
| 21:03 | <gusnan> | Great! :) |
| 21:03 | <miguel000> | thank you |
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| 21:18 | <k-man> | i'm having problems with fixing a broken perl install - http://debian.pastebin.com/ZqNaGHLJ |
| 21:19 | <k-man> | basicaly it says trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/perl/5.10', which is also in package libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl but i can't seem to remove libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl |
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| 21:19 | <jordanm> | ,versions perl-base |
| 21:19 | <judd> | perl-base -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6; etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6; lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny2; sid: 5.10.1-12; squeeze: 5.10.1-12; experimental: 5.12.0-1 |
| 21:20 | <jordanm> | ,versions libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl |
| 21:20 | <judd> | Sorry, no package named 'libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl' was found. |
| 21:21 | <jordanm> | k-man: looks like a 3rd party deb conflicting wiht a debian one |
| 21:21 | <k-man> | ok - here's what i get when i try and purge it - http://debian.pastebin.com/9axpmgGh |
| 21:21 | <miguel000> | is there an opengl dev package in debian lenny? |
| 21:21 | <jordanm> | k-man: why did you say yes before putting up the pastebin? |
| 21:22 | <k-man> | is there some way to force perl-base to overwrite the libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl package? |
| 21:22 | <jordanm> | k-man: where did you get that package? |
| 21:22 | <k-man> | jordanm: yes to what? |
| 21:22 | <jordanm> | k-man: aptitude's suggestion |
| 21:22 | <k-man> | err.... good question - not sure |
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| 21:23 | <jordanm> | k-man: you just went from halfway into testing and broken to all the way into testing in broken |
| 21:23 | <jordanm> | ah, well, it failed anyways... |
| 21:24 | <k-man> | jordanm: hmm... ok. how do i find more info about the installed libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl package? |
| 21:24 | <jordanm> | !bat |
| 21:24 | <dpkg> | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 21:24 | <jordanm> | k-man: follow the above instructions and paste |
| 21:24 | <jordanm> | k-man: also include your sources.list |
| 21:24 | <k-man> | ok, thanks jordanm |
| 21:25 | <jordanm> | k-man: and go ahead and include "libc6" on the apt-cache policy.. |
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| 21:28 | <k-man> | ok, requested info - hopefully nothing missing: http://paste.debian.net/72885/ |
| 21:29 | <k-man> | jordanm: i think that that libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl came from building a .deb of a cpan perl module and installing that |
| 21:30 | <jordanm> | k-man: I don't know much about cpan but I have heard poor quality |
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| 21:31 | <k-man> | i think i build and installed it a long time ago using instructions similar to this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/78 |
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| 21:32 | <k-man> | not that that really helps |
| 21:32 | <jordanm> | k-man: dpkg -r libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl |
| 21:32 | <k-man> | ok, that went cleanly |
| 21:32 | <jordanm> | k-man: aptitude install 0f |
| 21:32 | <jordanm> | k-man: aptitude install -f |
| 21:33 | <k-man> | ok, that offered a fairly big list of things |
| 21:33 | <jordanm> | lets see it |
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| 21:34 | <gusnan> | miguel000, Try the libgl1-mesa-dev pacakge. ( I have it on testing, I am not sure if it is there on stable.) |
| 21:34 | <k-man> | http://paste.debian.net/72886/ |
| 21:35 | <k-man> | actually, this all started when i tried to upgrad amavis or something |
| 21:35 | <k-man> | iirc |
| 21:35 | <jordanm> | k-man: sure it wasn't when you upgraded to core packages to testing? |
| 21:36 | <jordanm> | k-man: you should remove lenny from your sources now |
| 21:36 | <k-man> | jordanm: before accepting? |
| 21:36 | <jordanm> | k-man: don't accept |
| 21:36 | <jordanm> | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 21:36 | <judd> | xserver-xorg-video-ati -- etch: 1:6.6.3-2; lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4; squeeze: 1:6.12.6-1; sid: 1:6.13.0-1 |
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| 21:37 | <jordanm> | k-man: you have squeeze libc6 but your lenny packages are not even up to date.. |
| 21:37 | <k-man> | jordanm: ok, removed lenny, and doing aptitude update right now |
| 21:38 | <amitz> | am I the only one or ... I will probably refrain from submitting bug report for a package in sid before it moves to testing -_- |
| 21:38 | <k-man> | still get a resolving error: http://paste.debian.net/72887/ |
| 21:38 | <jordanm> | k-man: I just noticed... you have mixed ubuntu and testing? |
| 21:38 | <k-man> | jordanm: i did? where? |
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| 21:39 | <jordanm> | k-man: software-properties-gtk: Conflicts: update-manager (< 0.55) but 0.42.2ubuntu22-15 is installed and it is kept back. |
| 21:39 | <k-man> | jordanm: no - at least not deliberately |
| 21:39 | <k-man> | jordanm: very odd- i have never done that deliberately - i never put ubuntu sources lines in or anything |
| 21:39 | <jordanm> | ,versions update-manager |
| 21:39 | <judd> | update-manager -- etch: 0.42.2ubuntu22-11; lenny: 0.68.debian-7 |
| 21:40 | <k-man> | anyway, i don't need it, ill remove it |
| 21:40 | <jordanm> | k-man: I think I have seen some packages in unstable with ubuntu tags.. |
| 21:40 | <jordanm> | ,versions upstart |
| 21:40 | <judd> | upstart -- sid: 0.6.3-1; squeeze: 0.6.3-1 |
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| 21:45 | <k-man> | ok, removed update-manager |
| 21:46 | <jordanm> | k-man: what is the current status of perl? apt-cache policy perl-base perl |
| 21:47 | <k-man> | http://paste.debian.net/72888/ |
| 21:47 | <jordanm> | k-man: see what an aptitude upgrade would look like |
| 21:48 | <k-man> | its thinking |
| 21:49 | <k-man> | it's big - http://paste.debian.net/72889/ |
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| 21:51 | <jordanm> | k-man: you may actually be in a state to get back to lenny... it will be difficult when libc6 and perl are at question though |
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| 21:52 | <k-man> | jordanm: you think its worth a try? would that be easier than upgrading to squeeze? |
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| 21:56 | <k-man> | hmm... something is very broken with perl/aptitude - i can't install any packages, i get the same Something wicked happened resolving 'mirror.internode.on.net:ftp' (-11) error |
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| 21:57 | <jordanm> | k-man: what is it? |
| 21:57 | <jordanm> | k-man: any output from aptitude search ~ahold ? |
| 21:58 | <k-man> | no |
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| 22:00 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 384] by debhelper |
| 22:00 | <k-man> | what was the purpose of that command? |
| 22:01 | <goodell> | greetings. trying to install proprietary nvidia Geforce drivers "173" on debian squeeze/sid w/kernel 2.6.32. module builds but then crashes my system on insmod before exiting the installer |
| 22:01 | <k-man> | hmm... i feel like i have well and truly screwed it - |
| 22:01 | <goodell> | wondering whether I should try a different driver or whether this is just not supported... |
| 22:01 | <goodell> | any idea what I should do next? |
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| 22:02 | <dr|z3d> | !nvidia |
| 22:02 | <dpkg> | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:02 | * | dr|z3d waves to goodell. |
| 22:02 | <goodell> | dr|z3d: merci |
| 22:02 | <goodell> | ;) |
| 22:03 | <dr|z3d> | goodell: de rien. :) |
| 22:03 | <dr|z3d> | !fr |
| 22:03 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:03 | * | dr|z3d winks. |
| 22:04 | <k-man> | at its core, what does aptitude use to download the packages its going to install? |
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| 22:06 | <k-man> | jordanm: this fixed it http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=47012&start=0 |
| 22:07 | <k-man> | removing the wins line |
| 22:07 | <k-man> | not sure why |
| 22:07 | <k-man> | but i think i need that wins line |
| 22:07 | <jordanm> | k-man: you probably don't |
| 22:08 | <k-man> | i need it so i can type "ping somelocalwindowsmachinename" from the command line and it will look it up |
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| 22:10 | <jordanm> | k-man: no you don't |
| 22:10 | <k-man> | jordanm: ok - i can accept that - but how do i make lookups of wins names work then? |
| 22:10 | <jordanm> | k-man: wins servers are deprecated. dns should be used instead, or even hosts files |
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| 22:11 | <k-man> | jordanm: does MS know this? ;) |
| 22:11 | <jordanm> | k-man: yes, MS doesn't really use wins servers anymore... |
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| 22:11 | <k-man> | jordanm: really? interesting |
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| 22:12 | <Rapsodius> | Hello I want to try e17 wm, but its on sid, and I have squeeze... how can I do to install it without switching repos? |
| 22:12 | <jordanm> | k-man: netbios is still used however |
| 22:12 | <Rapsodius> | PS: and without compiling too |
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| 22:12 | <k-man> | jordanm: ok - so.... what do i do? |
| 22:12 | <k-man> | install some sort of netbios server on my linux box? |
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| 22:13 | <jordanm> | k-man: no, what do you use for a dhcp server? |
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| 22:13 | <k-man> | jordanm: meeting, brb |
| 22:13 | <k-man> | bbiab more like |
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| 22:16 | <miguel000> | should i not be able to do link with -lGL when I installed: libgl-dev ? |
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| 22:20 | <miguel000> | I dont understand it: I do have a /usr/lib/libGL.so but when im compiling/linking with -lGL i get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| 22:20 | <BiggBang> | Hi |
| 22:21 | <miguel000> | maybe I can not link with a dynamic lib like that |
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| 22:27 | <Guest470> | bbl |
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| 22:44 | <BiggFREE> | Hi |
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| 22:44 | <BiggFREE> | Is DB ploblematic tonight ? |
| 22:44 | <BiggFREE> | Is DB problematic tonight ? |
| 22:44 | <BiggFREE> | Nickserv ? |
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| 22:51 | <BiggFREE> | Is DB problematic tonight ? Nickserv ? |
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| 22:53 | <k-man> | what exactly does safe-upgrade do to be "safe" (or not do?) |
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| 22:55 | <aiux> | !safe-upgrade |
| 22:55 | <dpkg> | safe-upgrade is probably the new name for "upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Running aptitude safe-upgrade won't install new packages but that means you might miss security updates that install new packages. Ask me about <full-upgrade> <apt-listchanges> |
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| 23:13 | <BiggFREE> | bbl buddies |
| 23:13 | <BiggFREE> | tc |
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| 23:32 | <ale_ryu> | hey guys, I'm having a slow boot time problem with my system. I've tried several kernels and sometimes during bootup the system hangs for a while, and continues when I press a key or something like that. I've never had that kind of problems before and it's happening with several kernels. Is it possible that grub2 is causing this? I have googled extensively but can't find a solution |
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| 23:33 | <gdb> | "Boots slow" is kinda broad. What is the system doing? Have you tried booting in single user mode? |
| 23:34 | <gdb> | Is it "hanging" at any particular step? |
| 23:34 | <gdb> | What version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:34 | <gdb> | Do you have the issue with the stock kernel? |
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| 23:35 | <dr|z3d> | ale_ryu: Have you tried running bootchart? If you could upload the resultant image somewhere, we'll have a better idea of what might be the issue.. |
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| 23:38 | <ale_ryu> | squeeze/sid, right now using kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64. the problem is it sometimes takes too long between bootup steps, like it waits a lot of time when it says 'setting keymap' and then again on some other steps, that is unless I press a key to make it continue. It really puzzles me. I'll try that bootchart thing and report back to you. thanks! |
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| 23:40 | <ale_ryu> | yes, I do have the issue with the stock kernel too |
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| 23:47 | <k-man> | how do i reinstall all the required packages for a package? |
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| 23:48 | <gdb> | k-man: By reinstalling the package the requires them. |
| 23:48 | <gdb> | k-man: I'm not sure how else to answer your question without more context. If you reinstall the package the requires them, apt-get/aptitude will also install the dependancies. |
| 23:49 | <dr|z3d> | gdb: he wants the dependencies also reinstalled, I think. |
| 23:49 | <k-man> | gdb: ok, nm, i've been having some dpendancy problems that i'm trying to fix |
| 23:49 | <gdb> | Oh, in the case, I've no idea. I'd strip the system down with aptitude and then go from there. |
| 23:49 | <twiggz> | aptitude remove pkgname , aptitude update, aptitude autoclean , and aptitude install yourpkgname should do it yes? |
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| 23:49 | * | twiggz is drunk ...who cares..my machine works. |
| 23:49 | <Ganneff> | dpkg -l|awk '{print $2}'|xargs apt-get install --reinstall |
| 23:49 | <dpkg> | Ganneff: wish i knew |
| 23:50 | <Ganneff> | dpkg: shutup bot |
| 23:50 | <dpkg> | i don't know, Ganneff |
| 23:51 | * | twiggz never uses apt-get |
| 23:53 | <twiggz> | got a question though... |
| 23:53 | <twiggz> | see, Ive recently taken a liking to running debian testing...and i want to keep running it... |
| 23:53 | <twiggz> | so |
| 23:54 | <twiggz> | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 23:54 | <twiggz> | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:54 | <twiggz> | that should keep me on the current testing forever if thats in my sources.list yes? |
| 23:55 | <twiggz> | stable gets stale after awhile for a desktop... |
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| 23:57 | <twiggz> | logic says it would. |
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