| --- | Log | opened Fri Mar 12 00:00:07 2010 |
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| 00:30 | <mercutio22> | having some trouble with compiz |
| 00:30 | <mercutio22> | many plugins cannot be enabled |
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| 00:44 | <elz> | debian lenny is great, I was getting tired of ubuntu |
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| 00:45 | <eightyeight> | yes it is |
| 00:46 | <eightyeight> | although i wonder what specifically about ubuntu he was getting bored with |
| 00:46 | <sney> | probably the cavalier attitude towards stability |
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| 00:52 | <goodger> | it's not so much a cavalier attitude toward stability as a total failure to plan for testing in the release cycle |
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| 01:36 | <meglaw> | morrn |
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| 01:55 | <bleck> | anyone here from australia? |
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| 01:55 | <bleck> | I need someone to run a test for me from australia |
| 01:55 | <bleck> | there can't possibly be 342 idle people here right? |
| 01:56 | <bleck> | !hehstat |
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| 02:01 | <bob493> | is there an easy guide for debootstrap? |
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| 02:31 | <sheldonh> | where can i find a list of variables (like CURDIR, DESTDIR) available in debian/rules files? |
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| 02:31 | <clin> | for defined var, you can check with `env` |
| 02:32 | <sheldonh> | i want a variable that refers to debian/<packagename>-<packageversion> so i can mkdir -p debian/<packagename>-<packageversion>/tmp, so i can put a bunch of stuff in there that dh_install will then install for me |
| 02:32 | <clin> | or echo $VAR |
| 02:32 | <sheldonh> | i don't think that gives me everything, though |
| 02:33 | <sheldonh> | if i add an env-check target that runs env, not even CURDIR occurs in the output |
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| 02:33 | <sheldonh> | but i think that's because env gives me shell variables. i want make variables |
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| 02:34 | <sheldonh> | i'm sure it's burried away in the policy somewhere :) |
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| 02:35 | <jm_> | sheldonh: CURDIR is set by gnu make |
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| 02:36 | <sheldonh> | jm_, makes sense. DESTDIR? |
| 02:36 | <jm_> | sheldonh: that's specific to each package and its build system I believe |
| 02:37 | <sheldonh> | jm_, hmmm. don't think so. it's quite popular to do "${MAKE} INSTALLDIR=${DESTDIR} install" in debian/rules:install, yeah? |
| 02:37 | <sheldonh> | so DESTDIR's kinda gotta be coming from... something... maybe dpkg-source |
| 02:38 | <jm_> | sheldonh: that's because it's quite popualr to use automake ;) |
| 02:38 | <sheldonh> | i mean dpkg-buildpackage |
| 02:38 | <jm_> | let's check |
| 02:39 | <jm_> | didn't you mean make DESTDIR=foo ? |
| 02:39 | <sheldonh> | dpkg-buildpackage's manual page doesn't mention it. somehow, there must be some access to "name of package i'm building" and "version of package i'm building" :( |
| 02:39 | <sheldonh> | i don't want to have to fix the mkdir in the build target for each version bump :) |
| 02:40 | <jm_> | why not mkdir with relative path? |
| 02:40 | <sheldonh> | i do. but i have to create debian/<pkgname>-<pkgversion>/tmp (because that's where dh_install will look for the stuff i named in debian/<pkgname>.install |
| 02:41 | <sheldonh> | i could just mkdir -p debian/juniper-mibs-10.1R1.8/tmp, but that would have to change for every upstream release |
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| 02:42 | <jm_> | why not create just debian/tmp ? |
| 02:42 | <sheldonh> | jm_, because i thought dh_install would fail to look in there :) |
| 02:43 | <sheldonh> | fortunately, this is for lenny. i forgot. debhelper 7 falls back to debian/tmp. yay! |
| 02:44 | <jm_> | sheldonh: I think you can tell it where to find stuff |
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| 02:47 | <sheldonh> | jm_, yeah, with --sourcedir. let's do that, then :) |
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| 02:49 | <sheldonh> | jm_, how annoying. "dh_install --sourcedir=/tmp/buildd/juniper-mibs-10.1R1.8" gives "cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/JuniperMibs/mib-SNMPv2-SMI.txt': No such file or directory" :( |
| 02:49 | <sheldonh> | jm_, (i actually told it dh_install --sourcedir=$(CURDIR)) |
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| 02:51 | <sheldonh> | debian-mentors time, i think :) |
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| 03:01 | <sheldonh> | jm_, am i supposed to create debian/tmp myself? other rules files i've inspected seem to assume something else created it |
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| 03:04 | <sheldonh> | ah. the "something else" is usually the upstream makefile, and a lot of my headache came from there being no such thing :) |
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| 03:04 | <sheldonh> | things are always more complicated when you believe in magic :/ |
| 03:05 | <jm_> | sheldonh: yeah, upstream makefile typically does this |
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| 03:07 | <sheldonh> | sorted now. thanks for the hand holding, as always :) |
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| 03:11 | <jmm> | hi. |
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| 03:14 | <codexveritas> | alright, I want to connect a debian workstation to an OpenBSD firewall/NAT gateway to the internet via DHCP cable connection via two NICS : internal netblock 192.168.0.0 / 255.255.255.0. |
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| 03:15 | <codexveritas> | The debian box IP will be 92.168.0.2 |
| 03:15 | <codexveritas> | is it as simple as just configuring the Debian NIC to resolve to that IP basically more or less ? |
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| 03:16 | <codexveritas> | oops 192.168.0.2 not '92.168.0.2' |
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| 03:17 | <codexveritas> | I mean all I should have to do on the Debian side is simply have it resolve to that static internal IP right ? |
| 03:17 | <codexveritas> | I would imagine all the complicated stuff is done on the firewall/NAT box |
| 03:18 | <jmm> | you'll need to change your routes too, |
| 03:18 | <codexveritas> | jmm: thanks for the info |
| 03:18 | <jmm> | to use that nat box as gateway. |
| 03:18 | <jmm> | also dns resolutions need to be setuped. |
| 03:19 | <codexveritas> | hmm |
| 03:19 | <codexveritas> | ok |
| 03:20 | <codexveritas> | I don't have much experience with routing tables but it looks like I will have some now |
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| 03:20 | <codexveritas> | :P |
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| 03:21 | <codexveritas> | I think I already knew about the DNS resolution that is what I meant by resolve to the static IP. I don't plan on having a reverse DNS resolution from an actual human readable domain name |
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| 03:21 | <codexveritas> | at least not right now |
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| 03:27 | <codexveritas> | Do you mean even if I'm not offering services to the outside world I still need an internal human readable DNS name (not to the outside world) in /etc/hosts just to get it to function ? |
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| 03:27 | <jmm> | codexveritas: no I mean that your computer need to access some dns server, to be able to resolve remotes names to ips. |
| 03:27 | <codexveritas> | oh ok thanks |
| 03:27 | <jmm> | yw. |
| 03:29 | <codexveritas> | I've been using *NIX at home for over a decade but always just as a single workstation that is why I'm am somewhat ignorant on networking. This is my first time setting up a home network LAN/NAT-GATEWAY/firewall network |
| 03:29 | <codexveritas> | :P |
| 03:29 | <codexveritas> | I'm in for a crash course in networking |
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| 03:30 | <codexveritas> | jmm: I guess the OpenBSD NAT box will take care of that delegation |
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| 03:39 | <codexveritas> | jmm: actually I just now read a HOWTO on IP masquerading on Debian and there is only 4 steps and it is very easy |
| 03:39 | <codexveritas> | :P |
| 03:39 | <codexveritas> | I was right all the complicated stuff I already took care of on the OpenBSD box |
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| 03:41 | <codexveritas> | actually I'm not running Debian at all but FreeBSD. I lied just to ask basic Networking questions. Aren't I clever ? |
| 03:41 | <codexveritas> | :P |
| 03:41 | <codexveritas> | bye bye |
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| 03:43 | <gerald> | hello.. I have an APC InfrastruXure Manager appliance running some flavour of Linux - I have no idea what processor/architecture is running inside.. |
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| 03:44 | <gerald> | I want to rebuild it with Debian (or the distro starting with "U").. |
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| 03:47 | <TIBS01> | ello ppl |
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| 03:47 | <TIBS01> | got a question is there a new kernel been released |
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| 03:47 | <TIBS01> | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 03:47 | <TIBS01> | dpkg dpkg-dev linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 linux-libc-dev |
| 03:47 | <dpkg> | TIBS01: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 03:48 | <TIBS01> | shell:~# uname -a |
| 03:48 | <TIBS01> | Linux shell 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 10 08:59:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:48 | <TIBS01> | so whys it asking to upgrade it |
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| 03:57 | <TIBS01> | well |
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| 03:57 | <TIBS01> | anyone know |
| 03:57 | <gsimmons> | dpkg: tell TIBS01 -about dsa |
| 03:57 | <gsimmons> | TIBS01: See DSA 2011-1 and DSA 2012-1. |
| 03:57 | <TIBS01> | dpkg: tell TIBS01 -about dsa |
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| 04:00 | <TIBS01> | so basicly |
| 04:00 | <TIBS01> | its the same version just a fake update |
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| 04:09 | <bob493> | when using debootstrap you direct it to download the files to your new root dir, right? |
| 04:09 | <gsimmons> | TIBS01: No, the versions of the relevant packages were incremented. Your linux-image package has the same name as there is no ABI change. Consider subscribing to the debian-security-announce mailing list. |
| 04:09 | <bob493> | like '/mnt/root' |
| 04:09 | <TIBS01> | ok thanks gsimmons |
| 04:10 | <TIBS01> | bbghphjkok[mmbgyjj |
| 04:10 | <TIBS01> | mmm;,k ks |
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| 04:10 | <TIBS01> | .,..................................................... |
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| 04:25 | <luke_> | hi |
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| 04:32 | <jiso> | hello |
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| 04:33 | <jiso> | is there anyone who have some time? I want to clarify some things about verifying gpg signatures |
| 04:33 | <jiso> | so I need so help with that topic |
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| 04:34 | <babilen> | just ask |
| 04:35 | <babilen> | people will answer if they can |
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| 04:35 | <jiso> | Example.I have downloaded file X.file and I have also downloaded X.file.sig |
| 04:36 | <jiso> | I need the public key used to create the X.file.sig in order to be able to verify it, right? |
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| 04:37 | <azeem_> | jiso: yes |
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| 04:43 | <bob493> | ok I just installed a deb via debootstrap... what do I need to add to boot? kernel + master boot loader? |
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| 04:45 | <azeem_> | bob493: maybe |
| 04:45 | <azeem_> | installing via debootstrap isn't supported |
| 04:48 | <bob493> | supported by who? :P |
| 04:49 | <Patrick^> | Does anyone know how to remove that annoying list of messages that appear after upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze which says something like SYSFS={} and that the next update of udev will update something. Sorry I cannot be more specific. |
| 04:50 | <bob493> | patrick: i think it has to do with the kernel supporting udev |
| 04:51 | <bob493> | I think installing a newer kernel will fix the issue, but I'm not sure on it :P |
| 04:51 | <Patrick^> | bob493: hmm, but didn't a new kernel get installed when upgrading? |
| 04:53 | <Patrick^> | I found it, it looks something like this: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libticables2-1.rules:4 |
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| 04:54 | <babilen> | Patrick^: It is likely to not yet updated udev rules shipped by some packages. You shouldn't see more than, say, 2-5 of these messages and you can ignore them. |
| 04:54 | <bob493> | Patrick: ahh :) |
| 04:54 | <bob493> | good to know :) |
| 04:54 | <babilen> | Patrick^: If you are worried -> find the package that shipped the specific rule and upgrade/patch the file in question |
| 04:55 | <Patrick^> | babilen: hmm, how do I upgrade/patch it? |
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| 04:56 | <babilen> | Patrick^: Well, you edit the udev rules file to comply with the new format. Google for these messages to learn how. You could also backport the package from sid, if it is upgraded there. |
| 04:56 | <babilen> | Patrick^: How many of these messages do you get? |
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| 05:02 | <Patrick^> | babilen: about 30 of them, it's a guess |
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| 05:02 | <babilen> | That are too many (IMHO) - are you sure you have upgraded all packages? (I assume that you've upgraded to squeeze) |
| 05:03 | <babilen> | But as i said - you can safely ignore them. They are deprecation warnings |
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| 05:03 | <Patrick^> | Well, I want to remove them if possible. |
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| 05:03 | <Patrick^> | Everything should've upgraded |
| 05:04 | <babilen> | Patrick^: If you care about it --> google for the error message. You'll find documents that explain how the format changed and which parts you would have to patch/change |
| 05:04 | <babilen> | Patrick^: Try to figure out which rules files are the culprits and check if they changed in newer packages .. |
| 05:04 | <Patrick^> | babilen: ok, thanks. I'll try that. |
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| 05:09 | <peej> | which debian mta should I choose if I want speed? |
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| 05:13 | <babilen> | peej: Why not exim? |
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| 05:17 | <peej> | babilen, sure, if exim is faster than postfix or qmail for a large number of mails. The criterion is fast, for a default config (or easily tweakable config) |
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| 05:40 | <peej> | postfix seems to be the sensible choice for speed, when you factor in the concept of future maintainability |
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| 05:41 | <babilen> | is postfix really faster than exim? Could not really find good benchmarks |
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| 05:47 | <peej> | I suspect there is not much difference. I could not find benchmarks though. |
| 05:47 | <peej> | Is postfix gpl though? |
| 05:48 | <themill> | IBM Public License |
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| 05:52 | <peej> | is that gpl compatible? |
| 05:52 | <berto> | peej: how many users/mails per second are you talking about? |
| 05:52 | <berto> | in other words, how fast do you need it to be ? |
| 05:53 | <themill> | peej: I don't intend to read it to find out... it *is* DFSG-free however. |
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| 05:53 | <peej> | no idea. Assume it is a spammer who wants it (it isn't, but that's the requirement equivalent) |
| 05:53 | <berto> | postfix is usually said to be faster |
| 05:54 | <berto> | but there are large scale exim installations too |
| 05:54 | <berto> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exim#cite_note-0 |
| 05:57 | <bremner> | themill, peej: I'm pretty sure that the IBM Public License is not gpl compatible, at least if it is the same as the "Common Public License" used by IBM for COIN-OR |
| 05:59 | <themill> | bremner: I believe you're correct. peej could ask google or even read the licence himself if he cared. |
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| --- | Log | opened Fri Mar 12 06:00:42 2010 |
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| 06:11 | <hit> | hi everyone! |
| 06:12 | <NicolasSchiller> | hi there |
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| 06:12 | <hit> | who have read the APUE |
| 06:12 | <hit> | ? |
| 06:12 | <hit> | written by Rich Stevens |
| 06:13 | <babilen> | hit: The percentage might be higher in here than in other places, but do you have a Debian related question? |
| 06:13 | <hit> | No |
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| 06:14 | <hit> | I just want to find some one who have read this book |
| 06:14 | <babilen> | you succeeded :) |
| 06:15 | <hit> | ha |
| 06:15 | <babilen> | !win hit |
| 06:15 | <dpkg> | Congratulations, hit! You have won the US presidency! |
| 06:16 | <hit> | I'v just finished chapter 3 |
| 06:16 | <NicolasSchiller> | i got a debian question. i made the mistake to send in my mysql the statement "drop database mysql" ( don't lough plz ^^ ). now i try to get a mysql server running again. what can i do? |
| 06:17 | <hit> | but i got a problem! |
| 06:17 | <NicolasSchiller> | or does anybody know where i can find information? |
| 06:18 | <zem> | NicolasSchiller: recreate database from backup? |
| 06:18 | <NicolasSchiller> | there is no dump file |
| 06:18 | <hit> | I have no idea about the exercise 3.2 |
| 06:19 | <babilen> | hit: try ##c over at freenode |
| 06:19 | <hit> | Oh |
| 06:19 | <hit> | got it |
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| 06:20 | <NicolasSchiller> | the only way i see is to clean my system from all traces an reinstall mysql-server or set up new OS |
| 06:20 | <NicolasSchiller> | -an + or |
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| 06:20 | <zem> | if reinstalling isn't problem, just purge mysql-server in aptitude and reinstall |
| 06:21 | <NicolasSchiller> | the packet manager isn't able to remove it |
| 06:21 | <NicolasSchiller> | have to do it maunally |
| 06:22 | <zem> | ummm... why isn't it able to remove it? |
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| 06:23 | <zem> | i think there is allso reinstall option in aptitude, so could just try that if something depends on mysql |
| 06:23 | <zem> | there is reinstall in synaptic |
| 06:24 | <NicolasSchiller> | hmm, synaptic... lemme try |
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| 06:27 | <NicolasSchiller> | E: mysql-server-5.1: Paket is in very bad inconsistent status - you should |
| 06:27 | <NicolasSchiller> | that's everything i got back |
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| 06:28 | <NicolasSchiller> | # aptitude purge mysql-server-5.1 gives some failures |
| 06:28 | <NicolasSchiller> | 1 is: |
| 06:28 | <NicolasSchiller> | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 06:30 | <zem> | error code is: Package is in very bad inconsistent state-- you should try reinstalling it before attempting a removal |
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| 06:32 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: And always paste the complete output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
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| 06:34 | <NicolasSchiller> | the problem is: right now my system is german |
| 06:35 | <babilen> | !tell NicolasSchiller -about localized errors |
| 06:36 | <biophysics> | hi, can anyone help me how to use this code? http://www.enricozini.org/2010/tips/nocache/ I tried to compile this with g++ and gcc and it fails. |
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| 06:43 | <adb> | biophysics, see #gcc on irc.freenode.net |
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| 06:43 | <biophysics> | thank you |
| 06:43 | <adb> | yw |
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| 06:49 | <NicolasSchiller> | reboot brb |
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| 07:00 | <NicolasSchiller> | k # aptitude purge mysql-server-5.1 gives: |
| 07:00 | <NicolasSchiller> | Reading package lists... Done |
| 07:00 | <NicolasSchiller> | Building dependency tree |
| 07:00 | <NicolasSchiller> | Reading state information... Done |
| 07:00 | <NicolasSchiller> | Reading extended state information |
| 07:00 | <NicolasSchiller> | Initializing package states... Done |
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| 07:02 | <NicolasSchiller> | haha, have been kicked^^ |
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| 07:14 | <EmleyMoor> | One for UK users only, I guess: has anyone managed to get the BBC iPlayer Desktop working on an amd64 system? |
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| 07:17 | <NicolasSchiller> | cause of my mysql problem: if i post complete output i'll be kicked from channel by debhelper. does a pm work? |
| 07:17 | <jm_> | !tell NicolasSchiller -about paste |
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| 07:21 | <REAL1> | hello all, got some problem |
| 07:21 | <REAL1> | real1@avocado:~$ sudo apt-get update |
| 07:21 | <REAL1> | E: Type 'W��K' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/karmic-partner.list |
| 07:21 | <REAL1> | :-( |
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| 07:21 | <REAL1> | any idea? |
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| 07:22 | <avu> | REAL1, you're not using debian, ask #ubuntu |
| 07:22 | <NicolasSchiller> | http://paste.debian.net/63834/ here is the output |
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| 07:24 | <othor> | After updating from lenny to squeeze my hard drive shortcuts disappeared (i.e. the ones that appear in Places, computer:/// in nautilus and on the desktop), how would one go about getting them back? |
| 07:25 | <peej> | gpl vs dfsg for postfix : http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/1999/06/msg00247.html - my understanding is that object code developed for the code can be distributed by a developer under developer's own licence. So, could make a special proprietary version, but not a gpl version. Ie end user lock-in can grow if you blindly choose a propietary version. |
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| 07:30 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: Please don't /msg people - tell the channel |
| 07:32 | <NicolasSchiller> | babilen: i already did. but maybe you've overseen my post |
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| 07:33 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: Yes - I was afk. What happens if you try to reinstall the package? |
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| 07:36 | <NicolasSchiller> | mom |
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| 07:37 | <NicolasSchiller> | http://paste.debian.net/63835/ |
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| 07:43 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: You are missing the .deb file. How have you installed it? |
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| 07:44 | <NicolasSchiller> | via apt. but problem was i deleted the database mysql. so now i can't install, reinstall or uninstall via packet manager |
| 07:44 | <babilen> | and aptitude is unable to find/download it. I guess there is something wrong with your sources.list |
| 07:44 | <babilen> | ,versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 07:45 | <judd> | mysql-server-5.1 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.41-3~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.44-3; squeeze: 5.1.44-3 |
| 07:45 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: Which version of debian are you using? |
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| 07:46 | <NicolasSchiller> | uname -a = Linux nyx 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 4 00:53:20 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux | cat /etc/issue = Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid \n \l |
| 07:46 | <bremner> | peej: dfsg != proprietary. Read http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 07:47 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: bbl - lunch is ready |
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| 07:52 | <jm_> | NicolasSchiller: what state is the package in? |
| 07:53 | <peej> | bremner, the postfix licence seems to allow non-binary distribution, with no obligation to release source if you are a developer of postfix. That allows proprietarization. |
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| 07:54 | <NicolasSchiller> | dpkg -l | grep mysql = iFR mysql-server-5.1 5.1.37-2 MySQL database server binaries |
| 07:54 | <dpkg> | No packages found matching | grep mysql = iFR mysql-server-5.1 5.1.37-2 MySQL database server binaries |
| 07:54 | <peej> | however as released, postfix in debian doesn't violate source distribution requirement. At least that's my understanding. |
| 07:54 | <jm_> | that's probably why you get the error |
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| 07:55 | <peej> | bremner, sorry: s/non-binary/binary/ in above |
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| 07:56 | <NicolasSchiller> | priority ticket brb |
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| 08:03 | <NicolasSchiller> | re |
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| 08:05 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: That version of mysql-server-5.1 is not in the archives |
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| 08:10 | <bremner> | peej: it seems you have strong feelings about GPL versus non-copyleft licenses. This is fine, but not really a debian support issue, since the BSD license and friends also meet the Debian definition of free. |
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| 08:10 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: As i said - check you sources.list (paste it + output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.1"), "aptitude update", "aptitude -f install" ... download the package by hand and try to install it ... |
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| 08:11 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: Also try running "aptitude (auto)clean" and try to reinstall it again |
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| 08:11 | <peej> | Feelings don't come into it. I'm curious about how DFSG differs from GPL when applied to the postfix licence and what issues this could result in. |
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| 08:18 | <usuario> | hola |
| 08:18 | <usuario> | hola |
| 08:18 | <NicolasSchiller> | http://paste.debian.net/63839/ |
| 08:18 | <NicolasSchiller> | lots of output now^^ |
| 08:18 | <usuario> | ay alguien? |
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| 08:19 | <usuario> | ke? |
| 08:19 | <azeem_> | !es |
| 08:19 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:19 | <azeem_> | !pt |
| 08:19 | <dpkg> | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 08:25 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: 1. I guess your squeeze sources don't work (your mirror setup is broken) 2. You don't want backports if you are running squeeze 3. Try purging the package ("aptitude purge <pkg>" "dpkg --purge <pkg>" |
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| 08:25 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: disregard 1. - it probably works |
| 08:26 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: You can also force certain actions with aptitude and dpkg - see the manpage |
| 08:26 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: dpkg -i also complains about /etc/rc2.d/S92mysql not being a symlink? Where is that file from and what is it? |
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| 08:35 | <amol112> | hi all i am installing driver but getting error as insmod: error inserting 'xseries.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
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| 08:38 | <amol112> | dmesg shows Unknown symbol kmalloc_caches |
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| 08:40 | <mercutio22> | my mail is getting flood with messages like these http://pastebin.com/QEx3xn6W. What did I do wrong? |
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| 08:41 | <mercutio22> | *flooded |
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| 08:46 | <NicolasSchiller> | babilen: i'm not sure because of /etc/rc2.d/S92mysql. it should be from an earlier installation from binaries ( mysql-5.1.36-linux-i686-icc-glibc23.tar.gz ) downloaded from mysql.de |
| 08:46 | <blockcold> | hello how to install debian in harddrive |
| 08:47 | <blockcold> | there is no icon for installing in desktop |
| 08:47 | <adb> | !ig |
| 08:47 | <dpkg> | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 08:47 | <blockcold> | hmm can u tell how to install via konsole |
| 08:47 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: You really seem to have a mysql mess. Clean it up - that also includes removing all traces of the (absolutely unsupported) installation from the tarball |
| 08:48 | <blockcold> | i am using sid |
| 08:48 | <blockcold> | :( |
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| 08:48 | <blockcold> | plz tell me how to install via command prompt |
| 08:49 | <blockcold> | :-X |
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| 08:49 | <NicolasSchiller> | that's what i wanted to do from the beginning cause there are no relevant databases. the problem: i can't find information about this procedure |
| 08:49 | <babilen> | blockcold: See the installation guide |
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| 08:49 | <blockcold> | i can't understand that guide |
| 08:49 | <themill> | blockcold: why on earth are you running sid if you don't know how to do really simple things like that? |
| 08:50 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: Remove all files from said tarball and purge the debian package |
| 08:50 | <blockcold> | hmm my badluck why i install sid |
| 08:50 | <babilen> | brb |
| 08:50 | <themill> | blockcold: sid is not designed for people who can't solve problems themselves and don't know their way around a debian box |
| 08:50 | <blockcold> | :o |
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| 08:50 | <blockcold> | so which is the best for me lenny ? |
| 08:51 | <blockcold> | should i download lenny ? |
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| 08:51 | <babilen> | yes |
| 08:52 | <blockcold> | but tell em one thing how can i install debian via konsole ? |
| 08:52 | <blockcold> | live draklive-install |
| 08:52 | <babilen> | blockcold: read the installation guide |
| 08:52 | <blockcold> | like draklive-install |
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| 08:55 | <NicolasSchiller> | babilen: got it working with reinstalling via INSTALL-BINARY from mysql-5.1.36-linux-i686-icc-glibc23.tar.gz |
| 08:55 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: Got what working? |
| 08:55 | <NicolasSchiller> | running mysql-server uninstall it and install other version from archives |
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| 08:56 | <babilen> | great - so you've sucessfully installed mysql from the squeeze package? Is it a production system btw? |
| 08:56 | <adb> | NicolasSchiller, anyways is not a debian package, so not supported |
| 08:56 | <NicolasSchiller> | sure |
| 08:57 | <NicolasSchiller> | babilen: it's just for testing |
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| 08:57 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: And don't use unsupported binary packages - or at least install them to /usr/local so you don't fuck up your system |
| 08:58 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: There is a mysql 5.1 package for lenny FYI |
| 08:59 | <adb> | lenny-backports: 5.1.43-1~bpo50+1 |
| 08:59 | <NicolasSchiller> | babilen: thanks for the hint. our productive systems are always stable. but this was private interest |
| 09:00 | <babilen> | NicolasSchiller: It's available from backports as adb pointed out |
| 09:00 | <adb> | NicolasSchiller, bed habit using binary packages |
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| 09:02 | <NicolasSchiller> | sometimes using binarys is the only way. but i try to avoid |
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| 09:02 | <adb> | no , if needed use /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 09:10 | <NicolasSchiller> | i will. but anyway thy for help |
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| 09:13 | <aurorixi> | ola |
| 09:13 | <mas> | holaa |
| 09:13 | <aurorixi> | kien eres |
| 09:13 | <Betty> | hola |
| 09:13 | <mas> | en q cole estas |
| 09:13 | <adb> | two -3 troll here |
| 09:13 | <mas> | estais |
| 09:13 | <aurorixi> | kien eres |
| 09:13 | <Betty> | en jaén y tu???????????? |
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| 09:13 | <aurorixi> | en madrid |
| 09:14 | <mas> | en cordoba |
| 09:14 | <adb> | !ops Betty mas aurorix |
| 09:14 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: Betty mas aurorix |
| 09:14 | <themill> | !ubuntu-es aurorixi |
| 09:14 | <dpkg> | aurorixi: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
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| 09:14 | <mas> | y eso de madrid e mentira |
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| 09:14 | <jm_> | gracias :) |
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| 09:16 | <zobel> | adb: wouldn't !es be enough before triggering the ops? |
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| 09:16 | <jm_> | they are trolls from the same IP, !es almost never helps |
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| 09:16 | <jm_> | but off now |
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| 09:16 | <themill> | zobel: it would be if it ever worked... it doesn't for the kids who don't even know that they're playing in public |
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| 09:18 | <Guest651> | i want to suggest a aplication to be packaged by Debian, MCU8051, it´s an IDE used to Program 8051 microcontroller |
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| 09:18 | <babilen> | Guest651: File an RFP |
| 09:18 | <babilen> | !rfp |
| 09:18 | <dpkg> | Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
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| 09:19 | <babilen> | Guest651: ^^^^ |
| 09:19 | <Guest651> | ty |
| 09:20 | <gsimmons> | Guest651: Already requested in Debian bug #546549. |
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| 09:23 | <ismael> | hola |
| 09:23 | <Guest651> | well, so i just wish that it can be included, ^^ |
| 09:23 | <ismael> | hello |
| 09:23 | <Guest651> | !es |
| 09:23 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:23 | <ismael> | you spicking inglish |
| 09:23 | <themill> | !ubuntu-es ismael |
| 09:23 | <dpkg> | ismael: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
| 09:24 | <ismael> | ok |
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| 09:24 | <ismael> | you spicking spanish |
| 09:24 | <aurorixi> | si |
| 09:24 | <ismael> | ok |
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| 09:24 | <ismael> | hola |
| 09:24 | <aurorixi> | ola |
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| 09:25 | <aurorixi> | kien eres |
| 09:25 | <ismael> | este chat es penoso |
| 09:25 | <aurorixi> | kien eres |
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| 09:25 | <zobel> | please use a spanish speaking channel. thx |
| 09:25 | <babilen> | ismael, aurorixi: stop it |
| 09:25 | <aurorixi> | k kieres |
| 09:25 | <ismael> | alguien que habla con tigo |
| 09:25 | <deavid> | ismael: aurorixi: este chat es en INGLES. |
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| 09:25 | <ismael> | oye |
| 09:25 | <aurorixi> | qe |
| 09:26 | <ismael> | por que deavid pone ismael y aurorixi |
| 09:26 | <babilen> | !es-social ismael, aurorixi |
| 09:26 | <dpkg> | ismael, aurorixi: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 09:26 | <ismael> | una kosa |
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| 09:27 | <SeLeNa> | ola |
| 09:27 | <babilen> | *sigh* |
| 09:27 | <themill> | !ubuntu-es SeLeNa |
| 09:27 | <dpkg> | SeLeNa: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
| 09:27 | -!- | mode/#debian [+m] by zobel |
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| 09:27 | <themill> | Do spanish schools get out early on Fridays? |
| 09:28 | <SeLeNa> | k ablo en español |
| 09:28 | <SeLeNa> | ok |
| 09:28 | <@zobel> | stop it, guys. or we will lock down this channel. Thank you very much. |
| 09:28 | <deavid> | probably they doesn't have school friday evening |
| 09:28 | <themill> | zobel: you realise it's been like this every day for a couple of weeks, don't you? |
| 09:29 | <SeLeNa> | k ablo en spain |
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| 09:29 | -!- | SeLeNa was kicked from #debian by zobel [SeLeNa] |
| 09:29 | <@Ganneff> | !es |
| 09:29 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:29 | <fossiiil> | hello |
| 09:29 | <fossiiil> | Are there some adult(xxx) games for GNU/Linux ? |
| 09:29 | <babilen> | None that i'm aware of. But it would surprise me if not :-\ |
| 09:30 | <babilen> | But they would not be included in Debian anyway |
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| 09:31 | <fossiiil> | babilen: why? |
| 09:31 | <deavid> | fossiiil: have you tried to search in happypenguin.org ? |
| 09:31 | <fossiiil> | deavid: thanks for tip |
| 09:32 | <deavid> | fossiiil: debian has a lot of sowftware for everyone. Adult material and games can be offensive and inadecuate to ship with debian |
| 09:32 | <babilen> | fossiiil: It would be regarded as offensive and therefore in violation of Debian's philosophy |
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| 09:33 | <babilen> | or DFSG even |
| 09:33 | <@Ganneff> | no |
| 09:33 | <fossiiil> | haha |
| 09:33 | <babilen> | no? |
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| 09:33 | <@Ganneff> | totally wrong way of going there |
| 09:33 | <@Ganneff> | its not against dfsg or that |
| 09:33 | <fossiiil> | would not be tolerated by catholic puritans...well...dirtians |
| 09:33 | <@Ganneff> | also wrong way |
| 09:34 | <babilen> | Yes, i've just read it and did not find anything applicable. Just remember a thread on d-d about a porn downloader where one criterium for inclusion was that it does not ship any pronographic pictures itself |
| 09:34 | <@Ganneff> | try thinking much easier: youth laws about everywhere. we do not want to close all our mirrors, everywhere and apply age control |
| 09:34 | <deavid> | i suspect it's a matter of distribution |
| 09:34 | <@Ganneff> | thats a much easier start on it |
| 09:34 | <babilen> | and it would probably be forbidden to ship them to minors anyway |
| 09:35 | <deavid> | that means, that even if there were a adult repo, it will not be mirrored, and never will be on the DVD distro |
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| 09:40 | <johnfg> | hi guys |
| 09:40 | <johnfg> | Just did a fresh install of lenny. Had been having some serious hardware problems, now corrected. |
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| 09:41 | <fossiiil> | i just discover PID assigning is not random, but incremental :-) |
| 09:41 | <johnfg> | I've always installed flashplayer per http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html |
| 09:41 | <babilen> | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:41 | <judd> | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
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| 09:42 | <babilen> | johnfg: You can either install flashplugin-nonfree from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) or flashplugin-adobe (IIRC) from debian-multimedia (/msg dpkg dmm) |
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| 09:43 | <johnfg> | Thanks, I'm trying your suggestion(s). |
| 09:44 | <ml|> | it's flashplayer-mozilla for dmm |
| 09:44 | <babilen> | johnfg: I assume that you want adobe's flash - If you are interested in a free implementation: /msg dpkg flash; and read the wiki |
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| 09:44 | <babilen> | ml|: ah :) |
| 09:44 | <babilen> | ml|: hi btw |
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| 09:46 | <johnfg> | babilen, Right, the free didn't work so well for me in previous installation. |
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| 09:47 | <babilen> | johnfg: Ok, than it is either flashplugin-nonfree from bpo or flashplayer-mozilla from dmm :) |
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| 09:49 | <johnfg> | guys, thanks to all. I'm installing it at present. I better send an email to the author of the directions I had used, so he can update them. |
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| 09:50 | <johnfg> | When I now do update-alternatives, what's the quicker way, so I don't have to look at all choices of alternates for different programs? |
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| 09:53 | <johnfg> | Thanks again. The answer, which I'll write down (:-), is update-alternatives flash-mozilla.so. |
| 09:53 | <tuxcrafter> | hi all my openoffice in debian unstable keeps crashing when i rightclick text in a table and press copy |
| 09:54 | <azeem_> | tuxcrafter: file a bug |
| 09:54 | <bremner> | peej: DFSG is not a license, it is a set of guidelines. GPL is one license that meets those guidelines, the IBM public license is another. That says that postfix is free enough for Debian. Whether it is free enough for you is a question for you to decide, all I can tell you is that "GPL compatible" is the wrong question, since that talks about using code in a project with GPL licensed code. |
| 09:54 | <ml|> | johnfg: update-alternatives --config "link group" man update-alternatives; there are several |
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| 09:57 | <johnfg> | ml|, What are you meaning by, "link group"? |
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| 09:57 | <ml|> | johnfg: like pager, editor, etc.. |
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| 09:59 | <peej> | bremner, I appreciate your patience and clarity. |
| 09:59 | <bremner> | peej: you are very welcome |
| 10:00 | <ml|> | johnfg: for example you do update-alternatives --displayer pager or --list pager to get more info |
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| 10:01 | <johnfg> | ml|, So, I guess I did it correctly, when I did update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 10:01 | <ml|> | yes, only needed if you have more than one installed tho |
| 10:01 | <johnfg> | Correct, i.e., for choosing between the two alternatives. |
| 10:02 | <johnfg> | ml|, Exactly. |
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| 10:05 | <ml|> | johnfg: you can ls /etc/alternatives/ for a list of alternatives you can set |
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| 10:17 | <Laurenn> | http://i33.tinypic.ath.cx/D1268406632.jpg/ do my breasts look to big? |
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| 10:42 | <kevin> | hi eveyone |
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| 10:43 | <goku> | hi kevin |
| 10:44 | <kevin> | where is everybody |
| 10:44 | <babilen> | kevin: please state the nature of the technical emergency |
| 10:44 | <kevin> | N |
| 10:44 | <kevin> | i don't have a tehnical problem |
| 10:44 | <kevin> | i would like some hlep |
| 10:44 | <kevin> | help |
| 10:45 | <babilen> | well, ask your question then :) |
| 10:45 | <babilen> | kevin: and don't /msg me! |
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| 10:46 | <goku> | bye kevin |
| 10:46 | <Kellertuer> | moin |
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| 10:48 | <babilen> | Kellertuer: moin |
| 10:48 | <Kellertuer> | Ich versuche mich gerade an einem NFS mount. Das mounten klappt auch, gehe ich in das verzeichnis var/mymount/ kann ich auch wunderschön per ls den inhalt sehen, ich kann aber in kein Unterverzeihnis rein (cd: keine Berechtigung) und find so per Google nix. Ideen (außer rm -rf /) ? |
| 10:48 | <babilen> | !de |
| 10:48 | <dpkg> | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 10:48 | <ml|> | !de |
| 10:48 | <babilen> | Kellertuer: Oder versuche es hier auf Englisch :) |
| 10:48 | <Kellertuer> | mkay thx |
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| 10:50 | <Kellertuer> | So i sat the last hour getting my NFS mount to work. Mounting works fine, though the server is mac os. If i mount that under /var/mymount/ i can enter that directory and can get a listing. but i cant cd into any subdir. Suggestions? |
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| 10:50 | <Francisco> | hola |
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| 10:50 | <Francisco> | hay alguien? |
| 10:51 | <ml|> | !es-social Francisco |
| 10:51 | <dpkg> | Francisco: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 10:51 | <Francisco> | hello |
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| 10:56 | <shiznatix> | Hello. I have been having massive problems with my video card (VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV515 PRO [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series]). I was trying to get 3d rendering to work but failed and thus reinstalled debian from scratch just the other day. Today, while watching a movie, x froze and after a hard reboot, I have this same problem that I kept having when messing with the prorpietary ATI drivers where the fonts are |
| 10:56 | <shiznatix> | super small everywhere. I don't get any errors but I am currently running the default drivers that debian installs itself. How do I get my system back to normal? My xconf here: http://pastebin.org/111063 |
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| 10:58 | <locklace> | shiznatix: you're best off asking in #debian-x, and #radeon on freenode |
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| 10:59 | <shiznatix> | locklace, thanks |
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| 10:59 | <locklace> | shiznatix: also paste output of "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-radeon" or whichever driver you're using |
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| 11:00 | <shiznatix> | http://pastebin.org/111066 |
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| 11:01 | <locklace> | shiznatix: can you try using this driver version instead, http://people.debian.org/~bgoglin/rebuilds/lenny/ati-6.12.2/ |
| 11:01 | <locklace> | it's much better than the stock lenny one |
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| 11:03 | <ml|> | dpkg: rocks |
| 11:03 | <dpkg> | Yer damned right... |
| 11:03 | <shiznatix> | locklace, sorry but, which one would best suit my card? I dont know much about the video card world |
| 11:04 | <locklace> | shiznatix: xserver-xorg-video-radeon_6.12.2-1~lenny1 |
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| 11:05 | <shiznatix> | locklace, roger, will try |
| 11:06 | <chl> | when doing `aptitude safe-upgrade`, the console seems to hang at performing `Setting up grub-pc (1.98-1) ...'. Any place I can check what happened? |
| 11:06 | <shiznatix> | locklace, but is there a stable driver for ATI cards that will enable 3d rendering? I just want a stable system to play CS on |
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| 11:07 | <chl> | shiznatix: I think you may try 9.3 version, last time I heard someone said that 9.x still support ati series for linux |
| 11:08 | <chl> | but never successfully install it. |
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| 11:12 | <chl> | sorry, not aptitude safe-upgrade, but aptitude remove virtualbox |
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| 11:13 | <johnfg> | hi guys |
| 11:13 | <babilen> | welcome back |
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| 11:14 | <johnfg> | I plugged in my 8gb cruzer flash drive, and get this message: Cannot mount volume. Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Cruzer'. |
| 11:15 | <johnfg> | I have no problem like this with Fedora 12. |
| 11:15 | <chl> | johnfg: have you tried mount it manually? |
| 11:16 | <johnfg> | chl, No, what would that command be? |
| 11:16 | <fnmueller> | johnfg: ntfs maybe |
| 11:16 | <johnfg> | I know something with mount, of course. |
| 11:17 | <chl> | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb? /path/to/dir/to/be/mounted |
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| 11:17 | <johnfg> | fnmueller, So, mount -t ntfs ? How do I find out what dev? |
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| 11:17 | <fnmueller> | johnfg: well, is the flash drive ntfs formatted? |
| 11:17 | <johnfg> | fnmueller, Yup. |
| 11:17 | <ml|> | dmesg should say the dev |
| 11:18 | <brunux> | somebody already develloped USB on Linux ? |
| 11:18 | <fnmueller> | yup |
| 11:18 | <brunux> | i need help at programming USB on Linux |
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| 11:20 | <johnfg> | That's it! I used, mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb /media/cdrom and it worked. |
| 11:20 | <ml|> | !congratulate johnfg |
| 11:20 | <dpkg> | Yay johnfg, you did it! |
| 11:20 | <johnfg> | I only used cdrom because I didn't create another mount point yet. |
| 11:21 | <ml|> | johnfg: try usbmount |
| 11:21 | <johnfg> | ml|, Thanks! Hey, where would the normal mount point for the flash drive be, if it would have been detected automatically? |
| 11:22 | <chl> | johnfg: maybe you can try pmount |
| 11:22 | <ml|> | usually in /media but you can place it anywhere |
| 11:22 | <chl> | or check either dmesg or lspci -l |
| 11:22 | <ml|> | !usbmount |
| 11:22 | <dpkg> | from memory, usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html ; aptitude install usbmount; does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>. |
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| 11:23 | <ml|> | not sure how usbmount works with ntfs tho, read/try the above |
| 11:23 | <brunux> | somebody know how to use a computer to function like a gadget usb to a injection plastic machine to mount a directory on my / and transfer a file? |
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| 11:26 | <usuario> | LOLO |
| 11:26 | <usuario> | HOLA |
| 11:26 | <locklace> | !slap usuario |
| 11:26 | * | dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across usuario's face |
| 11:26 | <ml|> | usuario: stop coming here |
| 11:26 | <usuario> | ANDE ANDA |
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| 11:31 | <beojan> | exit |
| 11:31 | <beojan> | exit |
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| 11:52 | <mib_ldamev> | hi all! I wish to upgrade to squeeze from Lenny. And my only concern is NVidia drivers in squeeze . Are they ok in squeeze? |
| 11:52 | <mib_ldamev> | can I easily use secon monitor (nvidia-settings)? |
| 11:55 | <johnfg> | Looks like I'll have to reboot for usbmount to be seen, as it's not after install. |
| 11:55 | <johnfg> | So, see ya later! |
| 11:56 | <ml|> | nvidia can be tricky in squeeze/testing as some packages are not in testing sometimes after a new kernel and you have to use the ones from sid |
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| 12:00 | <tholmith> | hello. is anyone using selinux with nvidia driver and compiz? i installed them using the info provided on the debian wiki, but for some reason if selinux is enabled i can't use compiz. any known workaround? |
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| 12:00 | <seanius> | tholmith: put it in audit mode and find out what's breaking? |
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| 12:03 | <shiznatix> | Hello. In my debian I have my speakers setup to the "Front" speaker outlet but on boot that is muted and turned to 0 volume. Every time I boot I have to unmute it and turn it up manually. How can I make it 100% and unmuted when I boot? |
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| 12:04 | <cahoot> | got alsa-utils in place? |
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| 12:05 | <shiznatix> | cahoot, me? |
| 12:06 | <cahoot> | yes |
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| 12:06 | <shiznatix> | cahoot, I do now |
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| 12:07 | <shiznatix> | or, I just installed it this second |
| 12:07 | <cahoot> | alsa-utils is supposed to take care of setting, saving and retroing sane mixersetting |
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| 12:07 | <cahoot> | restoring |
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| 12:07 | <shiznatix> | cahoot, should it just work out of the box then or do I have to configure it? |
| 12:07 | <mib_ldamev> | and is it possible to use older kernel version so nvidia card still working well? |
| 12:07 | <cahoot> | shiznatix: should just work |
| 12:08 | <cahoot> | shiznatix: test it - /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 12:08 | <cahoot> | (presuming you have only one soundcard) |
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| 12:09 | <shiznatix> | cahoot, I do and I did that and the volume was reset to 3/4th volume on all fronts. |
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| 12:10 | <tholmith> | seanius, where exactly should i look? |
| 12:10 | <cahoot> | I suppose you could modify the script and add it as a new entry |
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| 12:11 | <shiznatix> | cahoot, ya, after some tests here it turns Master, PCM, and Front to about 3/4th volume, not saving what I had before running that command. How do I make it 100% or just what I had previously? |
| 12:12 | <Betty> | hola |
| 12:12 | <cahoot> | shiznatix: as I said above |
| 12:12 | <shiznatix> | cahoot, ah sorry, but how do I configure the script and add it etc? |
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| 12:13 | <cahoot> | open it and read it's a plain textfile |
| 12:14 | <cahoot> | (commented too) |
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| 12:16 | <shiznatix> | cahoot, ah, looks like sanify_levels_on_card could be the culprit here |
| 12:18 | <shiznatix> | yep, it doesnt save the last one, it just uses it as a reset to specified levels of 80%. Anyway, I up-ed it to 100% and all works. Thanks |
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| 12:22 | <vinicius> | is there any way to get a timestamp giving an int time to $(date) ? |
| 12:22 | <vinicius> | cant find a way in the manual |
| 12:24 | <meglaw> | there is a manual? |
| 12:24 | <titan8990> | vinicius: int time? |
| 12:24 | <titan8990> | meglaw: yes, there are a lot of ways you can control the output format of date |
| 12:25 | <vinicius> | i want to give 1268414701 to date, and it returns me today... for example |
| 12:25 | <titan8990> | vinicius: what is 1268414701? |
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| 12:25 | <vinicius> | a unix date format int |
| 12:26 | <titan8990> | vinicius: still not quite sure I understand, but %s is unix time |
| 12:27 | <deavid> | vinicius: are you talking about "date" command? is %s format |
| 12:27 | <titan8990> | vinicius: you want to set the date using unix time? |
| 12:27 | <deavid> | %s seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC |
| 12:27 | <vinicius> | titan8990, yes... but i want to use this a reference to generata %Y-%m-%d |
| 12:27 | <vinicius> | titan8990, yes |
| 12:27 | <titan8990> | vinicius: ok, now we are getting somewhere |
| 12:27 | <titan8990> | you want to convert unix time to real time... |
| 12:28 | <vinicius> | titan8990, yes... hehe |
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| 12:29 | <deavid> | vinicius: probably the solution is to use a interpreted language, perl, python, or so |
| 12:29 | <vinicius> | deavid, humn... date cant do it |
| 12:29 | <titan8990> | vinicius: try: `date -ud @ <unix time>` |
| 12:29 | <Betty> | adios asunormalao |
| 12:29 | <wolf> | I recommer that python has a fucntion to do it |
| 12:29 | <deavid> | yeah, that will do :-) |
| 12:30 | <vinicius> | titan8990, that doesnt work |
| 12:30 | <deavid> | no? |
| 12:30 | <vinicius> | how can i get the days difference between two dates? |
| 12:30 | <wolf> | maybe you can read the documentation of python3.1 |
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| 12:31 | <paggas> | I'm running on a laptop with one wired and one wireless interface. Since I always configure my network connection dynamically, could I remove all mentions of eth*/wlan* from /etc/network/interfaces? Since I use a bunch of different tools to configure the interfaces (e.g. dhclient and wicd), the information in /etc/network/interfaces is pretty much stale. Thanks for any info :) |
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| 12:33 | <lantizia> | Hey, can I get the "updatedb" command to some how index the contents of my mounted shares (in fstab) too? |
| 12:33 | <lantizia> | i.e. anything in /mnt/whatever also shows up when I do a locate |
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| 12:35 | <paggas> | Basically, what should I have inside /etc/network/interfaces regarding interfaces which are configured using tools that don't use that file? Could it cause problems with programs that rely on that file to learn about my network configuration? E.g. DNS servers (I'm running pdnsd). |
| 12:35 | <titan8990> | lantizia: look at --netpaths in the manpage |
| 12:35 | <deavid> | paggas: afaik, you should leave only loopback there and use the other tools. |
| 12:36 | <paggas> | deavid: Hmm, I'll try this. |
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| 12:37 | <lantizia> | titan8990, I don't see a --netpaths either on updatedb or locate |
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| 12:37 | <chernyh> | Hi All! I'm willing to upgrade to squeeze, but concerned about nvidia drivers. Are there any bad surprises? I have Acer laptop with NVidia card and I need to use second monitor with it... |
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| 12:38 | <titan8990> | lantizia: its in the updatedb manpage... what version of debian are you on? |
| 12:38 | <titan8990> | !iyhta |
| 12:38 | <lantizia> | lenny |
| 12:39 | <lantizia> | chernyh, lenny is whats on my server, my desktop is ubuntu |
| 12:39 | <titan8990> | !why stable |
| 12:39 | <dpkg> | If you have to ask which repository to use, the answer is usually <stable>. In the latter stages of a testing release (see <freeze>) it can sometimes be more useful to use <testing>. Don't be a sucker for shiny new stuff -- instead ask yourself if you'd rather have a stable machine that just worked or a bit off shiny stuff that kept breaking all the time (ask me about <moving target> <sns syndrome>). See also <bpo>, <ssb>. |
| 12:39 | <lantizia> | lol... naughty naughty with your CTCP versions :) |
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| 12:39 | <titan8990> | lantizia: who did that? |
| 12:39 | <lantizia> | titan8990, is that meant to be for me? lenny is stable |
| 12:39 | <lantizia> | titan8990, chernyh |
| 12:40 | <titan8990> | lantizia: yeah, the factoid was for chernyh |
| 12:40 | <titan8990> | lantizia: so the updatedb command you need to run... debian or ubuntu? |
| 12:40 | <chernyh> | yes, but I use it for my desktop and my colleagues are using squeeze for months now |
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| 12:40 | <lantizia> | ah ok... well anyway theres no mention of that syntax in the man page for updatedb on the lenny server |
| 12:40 | <chernyh> | the only thing worrying me is nvidia drivers |
| 12:41 | <paggas> | I've noticed that if I boot with eth0 connected to my DHCP router, I get a network connection before I even give the password for my encrypted hard disk! How can I stop that? |
| 12:41 | <titan8990> | lantizia: --netpaths=`path1 path2...` |
| 12:41 | <seanius> | tholmith: i don't use selinux on any of my machines, but i'd guess there's some file that controls which mode selinux boots into |
| 12:41 | <titan8990> | Network (NFS, AFS, RFS, etc.) directories to put in the database. The environment variable NETPATHS also sets this value. Default is none. |
| 12:41 | <ml|> | chernyh: nvidia can be tricky in squeeze/testing as some packages are not in testing sometimes after a new kernel and you have to use the ones from sid |
| 12:41 | <lantizia> | titan8990, so... updatedb --netpaths='/mnt/share1 /mnt/share2' ?? |
| 12:42 | <titan8990> | lantizia: thats what it looks like, yes |
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| 12:42 | <lantizia> | updatedb: unrecognised option `--netpaths' |
| 12:42 | <xente> | if I build a package using dpkg-buildpackage, how do I get my machine to not want to upgrade it? |
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| 12:43 | <lantizia> | titan8990, are you sure this isnt' something thats like sid only ? |
| 12:43 | <titan8990> | lantizia: I am looking at the manpage on lenny |
| 12:43 | <lantizia> | as in... man updatedb |
| 12:43 | <cahoot> | !tell xente -about hold |
| 12:43 | <lantizia> | which line number?! lol |
| 12:43 | <xente> | cahoot: thanks |
| 12:44 | <ml|> | shouldn't updatedb just pick up everything unless you tell it not too? does here anyways |
| 12:44 | <lantizia> | ml|, no it doesn't cross non-local mounts |
| 12:44 | <titan8990> | lantizia: yes, what is the result of apt-cache policy locate? |
| 12:44 | <xente> | is there a way to have dpkg-buildpackage increment the version number by one? |
| 12:44 | <ml|> | lantizia: huh? |
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| 12:44 | <chernyh> | thanks all, bye |
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| 12:44 | <titan8990> | xente: change it in debian/rules |
| 12:45 | <xente> | titan8990: thanks |
| 12:45 | <lantizia> | ml|, say if you've got NFS or CIFS mounted shares in fstab... updatedb won't index inside them |
| 12:45 | <ml|> | lantizia: you ask in /mnt ; works here is all I can say |
| 12:45 | <ml|> | asled* |
| 12:45 | <lantizia> | titan8990, ok this is strange... but I have the locate and updatedb commands available to me... but the policy claims they arn't install and apt-get is now installing them |
| 12:45 | <ml|> | asked* bah |
| 12:45 | <titan8990> | lantizia: you may be looking at man 8 updatedb, which is for mlocated. specify: `man 1 updatedb` |
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| 12:46 | <lantizia> | titan8990, so how I have them on the system, yet not in dpkg I don't know |
| 12:46 | <titan8990> | lantizia: no idea. sounds like you had mlocate only |
| 12:46 | <lantizia> | ml|, well it depends of if your /mnt shares are non-local or not! |
| 12:46 | <lantizia> | titan8990, yeah mlocate! |
| 12:46 | <tholmith> | seanius, output of dmesg http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3c54b49a/ if i do setenforce 0 as root compiz can be started. but it seems to deny so many other things... |
| 12:47 | <lantizia> | so wait there are 2 lots of locate/updatedb !? |
| 12:47 | <xente> | titan8990: where in rules do I do that? sry if it's obvious |
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| 12:47 | <retrospe1tacus> | why can't I do "dmesg|tail -f" |
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| 12:48 | <retrospectacus> | I mean why doesn't it follow |
| 12:48 | <xente> | or is it in debian/control? |
| 12:48 | <cahoot> | retrospectacus: sid? |
| 12:49 | <titan8990> | xente: actually that may be the wrong file... its somewhere in debian/ though |
| 12:49 | <titan8990> | !nmg |
| 12:49 | <dpkg> | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelp |
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| 12:49 | <retrospectacus> | squeeze, but I have noticed this on many dists |
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| 12:59 | <edhunter> | does tail -f work for executable files? |
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| 13:03 | <ml|> | lantizia: got it to work? |
| 13:03 | <violetta> | qien sos? |
| 13:03 | <ml|> | !es-social violetta |
| 13:03 | <dpkg> | violetta: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 13:31 | <kottok> | музыка |
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| 13:31 | <dkr> | !ru |
| 13:31 | <dpkg> | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:31 | <khades> | too late |
| 13:32 | <bja> | Any voluntair to translate that? |
| 13:32 | <khades> | translate what? |
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| 13:33 | <bja> | khades: what kottok pasted |
| 13:33 | <khades> | he said "music" |
| 13:34 | <khades> | and nothin more |
| 13:34 | <bja> | ohh, thx |
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| 13:34 | <engine> | plop ! |
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| 13:41 | <Archdevil> | Evening all. I get " SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version..." messages at startup when I run squeeze. I cannot find the messages in dmesg or /var/log/messages. Where can I locate these messages? |
| 13:41 | <locklace> | this channel has turned into 90% spanish spam and 9% "omg SYSFS squeeze" |
| 13:43 | <Archdevil> | Well, I am part of a minority then |
| 13:43 | <bja> | locklace: First part has been taken care off. Trying to limit spamm |
| 13:43 | <Archdevil> | I suppose a bugfix will take care of the second problem |
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| 13:44 | <locklace> | it's just packages with outdated udev rules files |
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| 13:44 | <sney> | Archdevil: when it says something like "x will be removed in future..." or "in future, x will require y" it's just a developer note and you can safely ignore it for normal use |
| 13:45 | <Archdevil> | I am sure that it will be solved. I was just curious where I could find these remarks in the log files |
| 13:45 | <sney> | it's probably on STDERR so it may not be logged at all, I can't remember the standard logging policy |
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| 13:45 | <Archdevil> | thanks sney |
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| 14:01 | <pablit> | samu |
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| 14:02 | <sney> | !es-social pablit |
| 14:02 | <dpkg> | pablit: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 14:08 | * | bja goes recolecting one of his lost goats |
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| 14:10 | <sney> | has perdido muchas cabras, bja? |
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| 14:13 | <knoppix_user018> | debian lenny has Common UNIX Printing System 1.3.8 - but is there some way to set a laser printer into landscape mode - and if there is, also later back into portrait mode ? |
| 14:13 | <bja> | sney: Algunas :) |
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| 14:16 | <sney> | knoppix_user018: I wish I understood CUPS. |
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| 14:17 | <bja> | knoppix_user018: that is printer dependant |
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| 14:19 | <knoppix_user018> | bja: not really. If you think about it, if the page is sent to the printer as an image, then it's the compiter's job to rotate the image, usually 90 degrees, if needed. |
| 14:20 | <knoppix_user018> | <sney>: I was surprised that it's so easy to install. Just aptitude install cups |
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| 14:21 | <knoppix_user018> | Of course, then you need to install the correct driver for your printer, but someone in the ubuntu forums have done a good job expaining how ... |
| 14:21 | <sney> | the debian wiki has a fair bit on that as well |
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| 14:21 | <knoppix_user018> | Didn't find that, but the instructions for ubuntu worked well for debian too. |
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| 14:22 | <sney> | cups instructions in general are probably pretty universal |
| 14:23 | <knoppix_user018> | But that may depend on the printer model, and I am using what is called a windows GDI printer - but Nicolas Boichat has reverse-engineered the "windows-only" protocol and created a linux driver. |
| 14:23 | <jhutchins_lt> | knoppix_user018: Landscape vs. portrait is often done on an application level. |
| 14:23 | <bja> | sney: Maybe some of my goats appear around here, be kind and send them to #debian-es-cachondeo. Most know their way but there is the usual stray one :) |
| 14:23 | <sney> | bja: va le |
| 14:24 | <knoppix_user018> | <jhutchins_lt>, Yes, you are correct, but not all applications are properly designed to offer that choice. |
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| 14:25 | <knoppix_user018> | And, what if you want to print a pure textfile, say, a screenshot of cfdisk - taken as text by copying and pasting into, for example, kwrite |
| 14:26 | <knoppix_user018> | in kwrite, I cannot find any setting to print in landscape mode |
| 14:27 | <knoppix_user018> | And the same with kate |
| 14:27 | <xente> | can someone tell me why java will only bind to ipv6 address space even after I modified /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf |
| 14:28 | <xente> | ? |
| 14:28 | <sney> | there must be some way to just pipe it directly to ghostscript with some switches so it comes out landscapey |
| 14:28 | <jhutchins_lt> | knoppix_user018: Something like gimp-print or even lp would work. |
| 14:28 | <jhutchins_lt> | xente: I thought java was a scripting language. |
| 14:28 | <jhutchins_lt> | man lp |
| 14:29 | <xente> | jhutchins_lt: scripting language? do you mean javascript? |
| 14:29 | <svend> | xente: Did you run /etc/init.d/procps reload? |
| 14:29 | <sig_wall> | xente: it will always setsockopt() it back for determined behaviour |
| 14:29 | <jhutchins_lt> | xente: No, java. It's a language. |
| 14:29 | <xente> | svend: I did |
| 14:29 | <xente> | jhutchins_lt: I know |
| 14:29 | <jhutchins_lt> | Why would a language bind to a port? |
| 14:30 | <xente> | sig_wall: can you explain a bit more? |
| 14:30 | <xente> | jhutchins_lt: you know what I mean |
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| 14:30 | <jhutchins_lt> | xente: Honestly I do not. |
| 14:30 | <knoppix_user018> | And, linux version of Opera also does not have any printer settings, how ever Opera for ms-windows does. I wonder why the difference ? |
| 14:30 | <xente> | jhutchins_lt: ok....when you create a socket in java, it only binds to the ipv6 address space in debian unless you tell it not to |
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| 14:31 | <xente> | but I told it not to and it still bound itself to ipv6 |
| 14:31 | <jhutchins_lt> | xente: Sounds like one of those helpful defaults like DNS trying ipv6 first. |
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| 14:31 | <xente> | jhutchins_lt: true but it didn't bind to ipv4 at all and that's why I'm confused |
| 14:32 | <sig_wall> | xente: any application may setsockopt bindv6only for v6 socket |
| 14:32 | <xente> | sig_wall: but when I include -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true in the java cmd line it will bind to ipv4 |
| 14:33 | <jhutchins_lt> | xente: freenode has ##java |
| 14:33 | <sig_wall> | ok, it may also unset it. |
| 14:33 | <svend> | How should I set the version number for a local version of a debian package? |
| 14:33 | <xente> | jhutchins_lt: thanks, I might try it but I think this is debian specific |
| 14:33 | <sig_wall> | or use INET socket instead of INET6 |
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| 14:34 | <xente> | but I'm not sure that makes sense when I pass -D...=true. It would not bind to anything if it really wanted INET6, right? |
| 14:34 | <sig_wall> | yes |
| 14:35 | <xente> | but it does bind to ipv4 if I pass that argument |
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| 14:36 | <sig_wall> | i think that it than creates ipv4 socket but not ipv6 |
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| 14:37 | <xente> | but that's my q....why would it only create an ipv6 socket even when /etc/sysctl.d/... says not to until I pass -D...=true? |
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| 14:37 | <sig_wall> | and always force bindv6only when ipv6 socket created. it is deterministic behaviour, what is is cool :) |
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| 14:38 | <xente> | I'm not sure I understand your last comment |
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| 14:41 | <wolf> | does anyone use gcl ? |
| 14:41 | <alekibango> | hello. do someone know how to limit disk i/o bandwidth for a process? a hint can save my day. |
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| 14:41 | <wolf> | i come across when learning lisp using gcl |
| 14:42 | <sig_wall> | xente: i think that ipv6 socket on cross-platform program must behave equally on different systems.. dual-stack sockets are only in linux. so it is explicitly enables v6only. |
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| 14:42 | <xente> | sig_wall: why? even after one sets /etc/sysctl.d/ipv6bind...whatever? |
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| 14:44 | <sig_wall> | this setting default may differ on different systems while java program usually expected to behave identically |
| 14:44 | <xente> | I see |
| 14:45 | <locklace> | wolf: is it even still being developed |
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| 14:47 | <xente> | so, how would one know to pass -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true to get it to work for ipv4? |
| 14:48 | <wolf> | this is my code :>>(defmacro time_two (x) (* 2 x)) |
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| 14:48 | <wolf> | yes |
| 14:48 | <wolf> | >(defmacro times_two (x) (* 2 x )) |
| 14:48 | <wolf> | TIMES_TWO |
| 14:48 | <wolf> | >(setf a 4 ) |
| 14:48 | <wolf> | 4 |
| 14:48 | <wolf> | >(times_two a) |
| 14:48 | -!- | wolf was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
| 14:49 | <xente> | I mean, it's annoying to have to add that parameter to all of my java run scripts |
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| 14:50 | <sig_wall> | usually ipv4 and ipv6 sockets are created separately |
| 14:50 | <xente> | at the same time? |
| 14:50 | <xente> | I know they are but it seems these java programs are just trying to create a socket and it goes to ipv6 |
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| 14:52 | <locklace> | !tell wolf about private |
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| 15:01 | <jfisch1> | Having some difficulty, searched release notes and online forums but can't find answer. I recently upgraded from Etch to Lenny, boots ok, get debian login screen, after I login, it presents with blank screen, mouse responds but no desktop. Tried changing i810 driver to intel (and tried vesa) in xorg.conf but didn't help. Any one might know where I can look for answer to problem? |
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| 15:03 | <gdb> | xente: Are you using OpenJDK or the GNU JVM? |
| 15:03 | <xente> | gdb: java-6-sun |
| 15:06 | <xente> | ultimately I am trying to get jradius to work but I don't know much about it. anyone here used jradius before? |
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| 15:09 | <titan8990> | jfisch1: did you try without a xorg.conf at all? |
| 15:09 | <Gbash> | Hi every body , i have Sony Vaio laptop and Debian Lenny installed on it and i can't get my webcam to work,so can any body help me please and thx in advanced . |
| 15:09 | <jfisch1> | yes i did,moved it to another name |
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| 15:10 | <titan8990> | jfisch1: pastebin your xorg log after trying to startx without a xorg.conf |
| 15:10 | <Gbash> | by the way my Vaio is Ar 850E and the cam is Motion Eye |
| 15:11 | <Gbash> | any body could help me please |
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| 15:11 | <jfisch1> | okay can do that, is it ok to paste here -- its long? |
| 15:12 | <titan8990> | jfisch1: use pastebin... its usually like 500+ lines |
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| 15:12 | <gdb> | jfisch1: You said you can login, so I would suggest backing up and deleting your GNOME configuration. This is suggested when upgrading from one release to another for just this reason. It's not always necessary, but it's worth a try for your issue. |
| 15:12 | <titan8990> | jfisch1: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.lg |
| 15:12 | <titan8990> | jfisch1: without the typo in the filename |
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| 15:13 | <gdb> | xente: You might look in the equivalent of /etc/java-6-openjdk/jvm.cfg and add the option there. Since OpenJDK is Sun Java (with a small percentage of encumbered functionality re-implemented) finding the equivalent file should be fairly trivial. |
| 15:13 | <offpatkay> | heloo all |
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| 15:13 | <gdb> | xente: That may not solve your issue, but that's where I'd start. |
| 15:13 | <xente> | gdb: I will check it out....thanks for the tip |
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| 15:13 | <gdb> | xente: Of course! |
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| 15:14 | <gdb> | xente: belay that |
| 15:14 | <xente> | ok |
| 15:14 | <gdb> | xente: there is a net.properties file in there as well |
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| 15:14 | <gdb> | xente: You may be able to add java.net.preferIPv4Stack=true to that file instead. |
| 15:15 | <xente> | gdb: I will try that....thanks again for the help |
| 15:15 | <gdb> | java.net.useSystemProxies=false is already in there, so ... worth a shot! And no problem! |
| 15:15 | <jfisch1> | i will try to pastebinit it, but not sure that networking is okay to get it there but i'll try |
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| 15:15 | <jfisch1> | i'll look into backing and deleting GNOME configuration |
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| 15:23 | <Gbash> | any heeeelp ? |
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| 15:28 | <Gbash> | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp :( |
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| 15:28 | <sney> | !ask |
| 15:28 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:31 | <sney> | Gbash: http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam probably has what you need |
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| 15:32 | <jfisch1> | network okay, tried to install pastebinit but getting some cyclic dependencies with avr-libc, gcc-avr (>=1:4.3.0-3) and binutils-avr (>=2.18-4) |
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| 15:33 | <usuarimestanzillao> | hola tio |
| 15:33 | <jfisch1> | trying to figure out how to backup and delete GNOME configuration |
| 15:33 | <sney> | !es-social usuarimestanzillao |
| 15:33 | <dpkg> | usuarimestanzillao: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 15:43 | <jfisch1> | okay backed up all the .gnome files in my home dir and removed them, rebooted but still get the same thing, no desktop and mouse movement after login |
| 15:43 | <jfisch1> | will try to figure how to get pastebinit installed |
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| 15:51 | <flamenkito> | alguno con moto? |
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| 15:52 | <flamenkito> | q raro sois |
| 15:52 | <sney> | !es-social flamenkito |
| 15:52 | <dpkg> | flamenkito: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 15:52 | <flamenkito> | sois asi cortaiyo no? |
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| 15:58 | <BuTT-HeAd> | hola |
| 15:58 | <sney> | !es-social BuTT-HeAd |
| 15:58 | <dpkg> | BuTT-HeAd: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 15:58 | <alfa_> | hi |
| 15:58 | <sney> | hi |
| 15:59 | <adb> | alfa_, salut |
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| 15:59 | <alfa_> | sal |
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| 16:01 | <alfa_> | i have a problem with kopete and pidgin, neither of them connects with may yahoo account |
| 16:01 | <ninjafu> | hello, I've reinstalled grub from my usb sidux. I have windows and a corrupted debian install on the drive, but the newly installed grub doesn't appear to have a config file set up, and all I get is a prompt with "grub: ". How do I get windows to load? |
| 16:01 | <alfa_> | any suggestions ? |
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| 16:02 | <adb> | alfa_, lenny ? |
| 16:02 | <bja> | alfa_: Check their version and check upstream not long ago yahoo changed protocols |
| 16:02 | <alfa_> | yes |
| 16:02 | <alfa_> | lenny |
| 16:02 | <adb> | !pidgin bpo |
| 16:02 | <dpkg> | The package for <Pidgin> on backports.org (as of 2.6.2-1~bpo50+2) has voice and video disabled, as the libraries for these functions are not available in lenny. See http://lists.backports.org/lurker-bpo/message/20090926.094614.082f0cc4.en.html |
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| 16:02 | <alfa_> | fresh install |
| 16:02 | <bja> | bitlbee allready fixed that but it is only on upstream |
| 16:02 | <bja> | alfa_: check the line above |
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| 16:03 | <sney> | ninjafu: if all you want to do is boot windows, you can boot a windows install/rescue disk and do 'fixboot' and 'fixmbr' from the recovery console. then you can reinstall debian and grub will install automatically as part of that process. |
| 16:03 | <alfa_> | k |
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| 16:04 | <ninjafu> | sney: I don't have a rescue disk, all I have is a sidux usb install. Is there any way round that? |
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| 16:05 | <sney> | grub generally needs a working filesystem with its config files, so it depends on how corrupted your debian install is |
| 16:05 | <adb> | ninjafu, ask in #sidux |
| 16:05 | <sney> | adb, he's using a sidux live-usb to fix his debian install... |
| 16:05 | <sney> | (or attempt to) |
| 16:06 | <adb> | debian install has a cd (rescue included) |
| 16:06 | <alfa_> | i don't really know how to find the version nr. but i found the date of last modify : kopete Tue 19 Aug 2008 09:13:35 PM EEST , pidgin Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:08:54 AM EEST |
| 16:06 | <ninjafu> | sney: to be honest I just want to get windows working as I have important documents I need. I can try reinstalling debian later. |
| 16:07 | <sney> | you can boot things manually from the grub prompt, it's the same syntax as menu.lst |
| 16:07 | <ninjafu> | sney: is there anyway to do it from a sidux console? |
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| 16:07 | <alfa_> | adb: and i really don't know to what u refer when u say upstream |
| 16:07 | <sney> | on the other hand, if you just need to retrieve documents from your windows install, you can mount your windows partition and just copy them out |
| 16:08 | <ninjafu> | sney: Can I just edit a the proper menu.1st to make it book windows automatically? |
| 16:08 | <ninjafu> | *boot |
| 16:08 | <adb> | alfa_, install pidgin from backports |
| 16:08 | <sney> | the problem is that menu.lst needs a place to live that grub can see when your computer turns on |
| 16:08 | <ninjafu> | sney: not in the mbr? |
| 16:09 | <alfa_> | backports = unofficial servers? |
| 16:09 | <alfa_> | i gues |
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| 16:09 | <sney> | nope. the grub bootloader lives in the mbr, but the settings are in the filesystem |
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| 16:09 | <sney> | alfa_: backports is backports.org, it's official |
| 16:09 | <ninjafu> | sney: I have two ntfs partitions and 1 ext4 (with the corrupted debian) can I put it anywhere there? |
| 16:09 | <alfa_> | oh |
| 16:09 | <alfa_> | ok |
| 16:10 | <sney> | ninjafu: heh, if it's winxp you could use lilo, that bootloader lives completely in the mbr. does that liveusb you're using have lilo available? |
| 16:11 | <ninjafu> | sney: it is xp. Lilo is not in apt's repositories in sidux. Can I install a .deb and do it from there? |
| 16:12 | <alfa_> | i didn't use deb for some time and from noob now i'm uber noob :)) |
| 16:12 | <sney> | probably, though it won't be officially supported |
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| 16:13 | <allu2> | i tried to upgrade form lenny to squeeze and now gdm doesn't work and upgrade get's stuck on udev and says i need newer kernel :S |
| 16:13 | <allu2> | what i should do? |
| 16:14 | <astronut> | anyone know a tool to load and print a website from the commandline? (graphical rendering please) |
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| 16:15 | <allu2> | anyone help me? |
| 16:15 | <aja> | que? |
| 16:15 | <bja> | !patiente |
| 16:16 | <bja> | fail |
| 16:16 | <cockroach> | :) |
| 16:16 | <aja> | que no te entiendo sorry |
| 16:16 | * | allu2 is hopeless |
| 16:16 | <aja> | no te entiend |
| 16:16 | <bja> | aja: Te apareció una ventana |
| 16:16 | <cockroach> | allu2: so upgrading the kernel package failed, to? |
| 16:16 | <cockroach> | s/to/too/ |
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| 16:17 | <aja> | q |
| 16:17 | <allu2> | cockroach: i don't know :( i just let it upgrade left came back reboot and now iam on this mess |
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| 16:17 | <aja> | me a salio q |
| 16:17 | <alfa_> | i get an error with public key for backports |
| 16:17 | <allu2> | cockroach: appereantly it didn't upgrade xorg too but when i tried to fix it i somehow got xorg remove so it's not pb anymore, now it's that it gives me that udev error |
| 16:18 | <allu2> | cockroach: it says my kernel doesn't support something it needs |
| 16:18 | <cockroach> | allu2: okay, let's get this fixed :). what does 'uname -r' say? |
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| 16:19 | <allu2> | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:19 | <cockroach> | that's the lenny kernel, then. |
| 16:19 | <cockroach> | do you have 2.6.32 in /boot? |
| 16:19 | <sney> | alfa_: you have to install debian-backports-keyring |
| 16:19 | <allu2> | cockroach: no |
| 16:20 | <cockroach> | allu2: try running 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6' |
| 16:20 | <cockroach> | that should get you the latest kernel version |
| 16:20 | <alfa_> | tnx |
| 16:20 | <ninjafu> | sney: I can't seem to find instructions on installing lilo from a usb drive to the main hard drive. Can you point me in the right direction? |
| 16:21 | <allu2> | cockroach: has no installation candinate |
| 16:21 | <cockroach> | allu2: don't thank me yet, might go wrong :) |
| 16:21 | <cockroach> | oh |
| 16:21 | <cockroach> | see? :) |
| 16:21 | <allu2> | cockroach: :P |
| 16:21 | <allu2> | cockroach: it game me some options |
| 16:21 | <cockroach> | err, hold on, not sure what the package is called then. are you on amd64? |
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| 16:21 | <allu2> | cockroach: nope no amd or 64 :P |
| 16:21 | <cockroach> | heh, i686? |
| 16:22 | <allu2> | intel celeron |
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| 16:22 | <sney> | ninjafu: you just have to set the proper devices and entries in lilo.conf then run lilo, it's all in the man pages. lilo is much simpler than grub. |
| 16:22 | <aurorixi> | helllo |
| 16:22 | <aurorixi> | kien eres |
| 16:22 | <aurorixi> | ??? |
| 16:22 | <allu2> | cockroach: so 686 i would think |
| 16:23 | <cockroach> | allu2: what does 'uname -m' say? |
| 16:23 | <sney> | !es-social aurorixi |
| 16:23 | <dpkg> | aurorixi: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:23 | <allu2> | cockroach: cockroach 1686 |
| 16:23 | <allu2> | i* |
| 16:23 | <allu2> | i686 |
| 16:23 | <cockroach> | ok. try installing linux-image-686 then |
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| 16:25 | <allu2> | cockroach: ok it install 4 removes 157 and doesn't upgrade 4** packacges |
| 16:25 | <allu2> | seems to remove gnome |
| 16:25 | <allu2> | well i don't need it :) |
| 16:25 | <cockroach> | allu2: sounds... wrong. |
| 16:26 | <cockroach> | :) |
| 16:26 | <cockroach> | can you try using aptitude? rumor has it's sometimes less insane than apt... :) |
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| 16:27 | <allu2> | cockroach: i don't really mind of removing gnome :P |
| 16:28 | <cockroach> | are you sure it's just gnome? seems like an awful lot of packages.... |
| 16:29 | <allu2> | cockroach: only thing i really worry a little is that my girlfriend is waiting i come after reboot that seems to take awully long :p |
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| 16:29 | <cockroach> | allu2: :) |
| 16:29 | <aurorixi> | olaa |
| 16:30 | <allu2> | huoh and how i told her how fast linux is :P i am sure i will hear about that later.. |
| 16:30 | <aurorixi> | hello zobel |
| 16:30 | <allu2> | so many packages indeed |
| 16:30 | <titan8990> | !why aptitude |
| 16:30 | <dpkg> | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 16:30 | <amphi> | allu2: don't install X ;) |
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| 16:31 | <allu2> | amphi: skype is hard to use without :( |
| 16:32 | <allu2> | cockroach: now it installs packages tells how they have confligts and unmetdependisies and let them unconfigured.. |
| 16:32 | <titan8990> | allu2: sounds like you are mixing releases |
| 16:32 | <cockroach> | allu2: ... but it's doing things? |
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| 16:33 | <allu2> | huoh i just wanted to try squeeze :P |
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| 16:33 | <allu2> | cockroach: yeah it do things :P |
| 16:33 | <titan8990> | allu2: but it sounds like you are not fully upgraded to squeeze |
| 16:33 | <titan8990> | allu2: pastebin your output |
| 16:33 | <allu2> | titan8990: how i copy directly from terminal? |
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| 16:34 | <usuario> | OlAAAAAAAA |
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| 16:34 | <cockroach> | titan8990: the problem seems to be that the upgrade process failed at some point and now udev won't install because he's still on lenny's kernel. |
| 16:34 | <locklace> | !lart usuario |
| 16:34 | * | dpkg stabs usuario |
| 16:34 | <aurorixi> | si |
| 16:34 | <bja> | !es-social usuario |
| 16:34 | <allu2> | titan8990: and how i install lynx while using apt-get :P |
| 16:34 | <dpkg> | usuario: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:34 | <titan8990> | allu2: `pastebinit` |
| 16:34 | <bja> | aurorixi: no |
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| 16:34 | <aurorixi> | porqe no no te entiendo??? |
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| 16:34 | <Gbash> | Hi,i have Debian Lenny with the deafault kernel and 2.6.30,but i can't boot the 2.6.30 kernel cuz some modules can't be probed and i got the message "can't connect to X server" so i can't get into ther graphical interface ,wht can i do ,,,thx |
| 16:34 | <@Ganneff> | !es |
| 16:34 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:34 | <titan8990> | allu2: or, most people would ssh into the box and copy and paste from their host |
| 16:35 | <allu2> | titan8990: but it's still in middle of installation |
| 16:35 | <bja> | Ganneff: Taken care off allready |
| 16:35 | <titan8990> | allu2: you answered yes??? |
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| 16:35 | <allu2> | titan8990: how i copy without X ? |
| 16:35 | <bja> | Ganneff: Iou an apology |
| 16:35 | <aurorixi> | bja olaaaaaaaa stoy aqui |
| 16:35 | <@Ganneff> | bja: forget it |
| 16:35 | <allu2> | i don't use so often text based |
| 16:35 | <titan8990> | allu2: ssh user@brokenbox, then copy and paste |
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| 16:35 | <titan8990> | allu2: or use pastebinit |
| 16:35 | <allu2> | titan8990: copy with what? |
| 16:35 | <allu2> | :P |
| 16:35 | <bja> | Ganneff: ok |
| 16:35 | <aurorixi> | dime algo |
| 16:35 | <bja> | aurorixi: Tienes un mensaje privado |
| 16:36 | <titan8990> | allu2: what was the score on what you answered yes to? |
| 16:36 | <aurorixi> | donde?? |
| 16:36 | <allu2> | i don't remember :S |
| 16:36 | <bja> | Ganneff: Silence aurorixi please |
| 16:36 | -!- | mode/#debian [+b *!*aurora@*.Red-88-26-25.staticIP.rima-tde.net] by Ganneff |
| 16:36 | <titan8990> | allu2: and why would you answer yes to something that leaves broken packages? |
| 16:36 | <allu2> | doesn't let me scroll up |
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| 16:36 | <allu2> | titan8990: i wonder that too |
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| 16:36 | <titan8990> | allu2: GNU screen is a wonderful tool |
| 16:37 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 391] by debhelper |
| 16:37 | <allu2> | titan8990: i still don't understand how you want i copy anything on this |
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| 16:37 | <allu2> | titan8990: or install while installing with apt-get |
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| 16:37 | <allu2> | setting up yelp.... |
| 16:37 | <titan8990> | allu2: I wanted you to do it before you answered yes |
| 16:37 | <titan8990> | allu2: doesn't matter now... have fun |
| 16:38 | <alfa_> | adb: tnx |
| 16:38 | <allu2> | titan8990: i answered yes before we begin to talk :P |
| 16:38 | <adb> | alfa_, sa fii iubit |
| 16:38 | <allu2> | cockroach: you think i should let it install stuff or ctrl+c ? |
| 16:38 | <cockroach> | allu2: so, what's happening? |
| 16:38 | <titan8990> | !testing |
| 16:38 | <dpkg> | from memory, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 16:38 | <alfa_> | sney: tnx |
| 16:38 | <allu2> | cockroach: still installing |
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| 16:39 | <allu2> | end! |
| 16:39 | <alfa_> | adb: ms, ms ... la fel si tu |
| 16:39 | <meglaw> | i love running testing |
| 16:39 | <cockroach> | allu2: if it didn't say it's going to uninstall anything i guess you can let it continue |
| 16:39 | <meglaw> | i always run testing |
| 16:39 | * | cockroach too |
| 16:39 | <meglaw> | been running it since etch was testing |
| 16:39 | <meglaw> | no sid |
| 16:39 | <allu2> | Currenstatus 3 broken [-5], 821 updates [-17] |
| 16:39 | <meglaw> | or whatever, its been so long i cant remember |
| 16:39 | <allu2> | cockroach: says anything to you? |
| 16:40 | <cockroach> | allu2: not so happy about the broken ones, but i assume we can worry about those later. |
| 16:40 | <allu2> | uname didn't change at all.. |
| 16:40 | <titan8990> | cockroach: i don't think thats really helping |
| 16:40 | <titan8990> | allu2: kernel upgrade requires a reboot |
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| 16:40 | <allu2> | titan8990: you say me good luck :P |
| 16:40 | <cockroach> | titan8990: i think once he gets the kernel updated and is able to actually install udev that should help make things less ... broken |
| 16:41 | <titan8990> | !udev squeeze |
| 16:41 | <dpkg> | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
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| 16:41 | <allu2> | cockroach: in /boot there are still the same things |
| 16:41 | <titan8990> | cockroach: and hope one of those 3 broken packages isn't something like libc6? |
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| 16:41 | <cockroach> | titan8990: yep :) |
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| 16:42 | <allu2> | cockroach: so i reboot? |
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| 16:42 | <cockroach> | titan8990: i don't think aptitude would allow you to upgrade stuff that depends on new glibc versions without installing glibc, would it? |
| 16:42 | <cockroach> | allu2: no! |
| 16:42 | <titan8990> | cockroach: sure it would. it will warn you about it, and give a massive negative score |
| 16:43 | <allu2> | cockroach: soo? |
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| 16:43 | <cockroach> | titan8990: bad. |
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| 16:43 | <cockroach> | allu2: still no 2.6.32 in /boot, you say? |
| 16:43 | <allu2> | yes |
| 16:43 | <Gbash> | Hi,i have Debian Lenny with the deafault kernel and 2.6.30,but i can't boot the 2.6.30 kernel cuz some modules can't be probed and i got the message "can't connect to X server" so i can't get into ther graphical interface ,wht can i do ,,,thx |
| 16:44 | <cockroach> | allu2: what does 'dpkg -l linux-image-686' say? |
| 16:44 | <allu2> | aptitude says libpisock9 breask udev |
| 16:44 | <titan8990> | Gbash: there is not a current release with a .30 kernel |
| 16:44 | <allu2> | cockroach: no packages matching... |
| 16:45 | <cockroach> | huh? |
| 16:45 | <cockroach> | allu2: can you install it with apt-get now? |
| 16:45 | <titan8990> | allu2: just means you didn't have the meta package, which is why it didn't upgrade |
| 16:45 | <titan8990> | allu2: aptitude -t squeeze linux-image-686 |
| 16:45 | <titan8990> | Gbash: what version of debian are you supossed to be running? |
| 16:45 | <OPenaz> | Hi, i need little help, after restarting network adapter, all ports are blocked. I can access server only remotely, so now, server is not accessible for me. Is there a way, how to get through firewall and re-open ports? Thanks |
| 16:46 | <titan8990> | OPenaz: local access or remote serial console |
| 16:46 | <allu2> | titan8990: aptitude install -t .... ? |
| 16:46 | <titan8990> | allu2: aptitude -t squeeze install linux-image-686 |
| 16:47 | <Gbash> | i'm running Debian 5 Lenny |
| 16:47 | <OPenaz> | titan8990: server is located about 200km away from me, so it's not local access |
| 16:47 | <titan8990> | Gbash: where did you get the .30 kernel? |
| 16:47 | <allu2> | ok it's removing xorg :S |
| 16:47 | <titan8990> | OPenaz: is this a VPS or dedicated server? |
| 16:47 | <titan8990> | allu2: probably because xorg packages were broken |
| 16:47 | <titan8990> | allu2: I assume you answered yes without consulting us again? |
| 16:48 | <allu2> | :P yes but now number was 111 |
| 16:48 | <allu2> | now 2 broken [-1] |
| 16:49 | <OPenaz> | titan8990: dedicated i guess, i'm sure, it's not virtual :) |
| 16:49 | <alfa_> | adb: inca o intrebare la azureus (vuze) imi tot da sa-i fac update cand il pornec ... ii dau si nu face nimic, il repornesc si imi da iar sa fac acelasi update .... |
| 16:49 | <titan8990> | OPenaz: does the hosting company provide a remote serial console or web interface? |
| 16:50 | <alfa_> | adb: ai vre-o idee cam ce ar putea fii? |
| 16:50 | <titan8990> | OPenaz: most likely you will need to submit a support ticket, and plan on restoring from backup, depending on your hosting provider |
| 16:50 | <allu2> | cockroach, titan8990 : the dpgk thing and ls /boot still same as before |
| 16:50 | <titan8990> | Gbash: hello? |
| 16:51 | <OPenaz> | titan8990: no remote console, own server, company just provide serverhousing for it |
| 16:51 | <allu2> | i reboot now? :P |
| 16:51 | <cockroach> | allu2: no |
| 16:51 | <allu2> | so what next? |
| 16:51 | <cockroach> | allu2: does 'apt-get install linux-image-686' do/say anything? |
| 16:51 | <adb> | alfa_, dezinstaleaza-l ;) |
| 16:51 | <alfa_> | de ce? |
| 16:52 | <alfa_> | adb: de ce? |
| 16:52 | <adb> | de aia , |
| 16:52 | <allu2> | cockroach: yes but it's so long :( |
| 16:52 | <alfa_> | adb: sa-l iau de pe backports si pe asta? |
| 16:52 | <titan8990> | OPenaz: yeah, you will have to put in a support ticket with the people who provide the rackspace |
| 16:52 | <alfa_> | adb: sau stii altul mai bun? |
| 16:52 | <noflash> | alfa_, this is an english channel |
| 16:52 | <OPenaz> | titan8990: so i can't resolve it myself...i was affraid of this solution :( but thanks a lot |
| 16:53 | <titan8990> | OPenaz: I pasted some bad iptables rules once myself... I will never get another remote server without a serial console |
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| 16:53 | <cockroach> | allu2: do you have stuff other than squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:53 | <titan8990> | OPenaz: anytime |
| 16:53 | <alfa_> | noflash: sry .. :( |
| 16:53 | <jfisch1> | gdb, titan8990: thanks for your help, got it to work. issues with pkgs gcc-avr and binutils-avr, apt -f install resulted in broken pipes, when did dpkg -i --force-overwrite <path>/<pkg>, then apt -f install it reboot system and prompted to install new gdm stuff (saved off the conf file), then when it reboot again all was fine!! Thanks so much!!! |
| 16:53 | <adb> | alfa_, nu , tot aia va face (update) see the config file |
| 16:54 | <OPenaz> | titan8990: serverhousing is free, company is just sponzoring us...so no remote connection, no personal access (only with their technique) |
| 16:54 | <allu2> | The following packages have unmetdependicies: libpisock9: Breaks udev(< 0.136-1 ) but 0.125-7+lenny3 is installed and kept back. |
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| 16:54 | <allu2> | cockroach: hmm i watch |
| 16:55 | <titan8990> | OPenaz: its good to think about and plan for these kind of things ahead of time, because they *do* happen |
| 16:55 | <allu2> | cockroach: only #Multimedia |
| 16:55 | <allu2> | something debian-multimedia... |
| 16:55 | <cockroach> | allu2: just remove (comment) that for the time being. the less stuff in there, the better |
| 16:55 | <allu2> | ok |
| 16:56 | <cockroach> | allu2: and apt-get dist-upgrade still wants to remove millions of packages? |
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| 16:56 | <OPenaz> | titan8990: now i know :) it's not same as virtual server on VMware...and i'm relatively new on debian...next time i will know to not restart net adapter |
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| 16:56 | <allu2> | cockroach: i run apt-get update first? |
| 16:56 | <bob493> | is there a guide that tells you what files to edit and configure after a debootstrap debian install??? |
| 16:56 | <bja> | Ganneff: Please take the silence off aurorix i hope she will not connect any more today |
| 16:56 | <cockroach> | allu2: sounds like a plan |
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| 16:57 | <allu2> | cockroach: 99% [Waiting for headers....... |
| 16:57 | <allu2> | stays... |
| 16:57 | <allu2> | so long.... |
| 16:57 | <cockroach> | allu2: happens |
| 16:57 | <cockroach> | allu2: just be patient :) |
| 16:57 | <bob493> | when I'm installing packages with aptitude it says "perl: warning: Settings Locale Failed." |
| 16:57 | <allu2> | cockroach: still :p |
| 16:58 | <bob493> | "Language = (unset); LC_ALL = (unset)..." |
| 16:58 | <allu2> | done! |
| 16:58 | <alfa_> | adb: ok i think i get it :P |
| 16:58 | <adb> | heh alfa_ |
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| 16:59 | <allu2> | cockroach: now it wants to install xorg back :S |
| 16:59 | <cockroach> | allu2: sounds reasonable :). does it want to remove anything? |
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| 17:00 | <allu2> | cockroach: didn't watch :P |
| 17:00 | <cockroach> | *sigh* :) |
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| 17:00 | * | allu2 has too little patiense |
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| 17:02 | <allu2> | cockroach: ok error on udev |
| 17:02 | <allu2> | error code (1) |
| 17:02 | <cockroach> | heh |
| 17:02 | <allu2> | and what we try next? |
| 17:02 | <cockroach> | and can you install linux-image now? |
| 17:02 | <cockroach> | linux-image-686, that is |
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| 17:03 | <allu2> | cockroach: wants to remove xorg... |
| 17:03 | <Gbash> | srry to be late |
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| 17:03 | <Gbash> | i got the .30 kernel from Debian repositories |
| 17:04 | <cockroach> | allu2: duh. what happens if you tell it to install not only the linux-image but also one of the xorg packages that it's trying to remove? |
| 17:04 | <allu2> | let me see |
| 17:05 | <bob493> | does anyone here have experience with debootstrap??? |
| 17:05 | <cockroach> | !anyone |
| 17:05 | <dpkg> | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 17:06 | <bob493> | lol |
| 17:06 | <allu2> | cockroach: just keep saying about the libpisock9 |
| 17:06 | <Gbash> | i got the .30 kernel from Debian repositories |
| 17:06 | <bob493> | ok what files do I need to configure after a debootstrap install? |
| 17:07 | <cockroach> | allu2: sorry, bad memory, what does it say about libpisock9 again? |
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| 17:08 | <allu2> | cockroach: that it breaks udev |
| 17:08 | <allu2> | cockroach: as it needs upgraded udev witch needs updated kernel |
| 17:09 | <cockroach> | allu2: so what if you append udev and libpisock9 to that apt-get install command? |
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| 17:10 | <allu2> | cockroach: firts it tries to upgrade udev and fails |
| 17:10 | <allu2> | and then continues on others |
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| 17:10 | <alfa_> | how to dpkg a *.rar archive |
| 17:10 | <alfa_> | ? |
| 17:10 | <meglaw> | unpack it first |
| 17:10 | <cockroach> | bob493: have a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 17:11 | <cockroach> | allu2: so it *does* install the rest? |
| 17:11 | <allu2> | cockroach: nope as it still don't find the linux-image thing |
| 17:11 | <cockroach> | allu2: linux-image-686? |
| 17:11 | <bob493> | cockroach: ok thanks |
| 17:12 | <cockroach> | bob493: you're welcome |
| 17:12 | <allu2> | cockroach: yeah |
| 17:12 | <allu2> | cockroach: it doesn't install it |
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| 17:13 | <allu2> | cockroach: maybe i should remove libpisock9 ? |
| 17:13 | <allu2> | and try? |
| 17:13 | <cockroach> | allu2: that might remove your old udev package, not sure, but just try, it will warn you |
| 17:13 | <cockroach> | do *not* just say 'yes' :) |
| 17:14 | <allu2> | :P |
| 17:14 | <cockroach> | titan8990: getting a little upset by the non-progress we're making here? :) |
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| 17:15 | <cockroach> | duh, stupid hardware not seeing more than 24 gigs of RAM. |
| 17:15 | <allu2> | cockroach: wants to remove evolution and upgrade udev score -1153 |
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| 17:16 | <alfa_> | guys and girls 10x for the help, and have a nice day / night, bb |
| 17:16 | <cockroach> | allu2: hmm, though so. removing udev is generally a bad idea since it might become non-trivial to boot the system :) |
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| 17:16 | <allu2> | sooo? |
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| 17:17 | <allu2> | cockroach: but it's not removing udeb but upgrading it? |
| 17:17 | <cockroach> | so let me try to get this straight: if you enter 'apt-get install linux-image-686 udev libpisock9 xorg' it fails? |
| 17:17 | <cockroach> | allu2: oh, misread that |
| 17:17 | <allu2> | cockroach: aptitude? |
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| 17:18 | <allu2> | cockroach: apt-get tells to use apt-get -f install |
| 17:18 | <cockroach> | allu2: i see. and that one, of course, fails because of the udev thing |
| 17:18 | <allu2> | huoh |
| 17:18 | <allu2> | if i only coulg get the kernel and then udev |
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| 17:18 | <cockroach> | allu2: and aptitude only want to remove evolultion? nothing more? |
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| 17:18 | <allu2> | cockroach: and somepackages related to evolution |
| 17:19 | <allu2> | evolution-plugins |
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| 17:19 | <allu2> | libpisync1 |
| 17:19 | <allu2> | cockroach: i try? |
| 17:19 | <cockroach> | allu2: but in the end that's not going to help because it won't be able to install udev. what if you try to install the kernel with aptitude and remove libpisock9 at the same time? |
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| 17:20 | <allu2> | cockroach: how i do that :S |
| 17:20 | <cockroach> | allu2: aptitude install linux-image-686 libpisock9- |
| 17:20 | <cockroach> | i think |
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| 17:20 | <allu2> | cockroach: isn't that installing them both? |
| 17:20 | <cockroach> | at least that's how you would do it with apt-get :) |
| 17:21 | <allu2> | :P ok |
| 17:21 | <cockroach> | allu2: no, notice the '-' after libpisock9 |
| 17:21 | <allu2> | cockroach: wants to remove evolution |
| 17:21 | <cockroach> | just that? |
| 17:21 | <cockroach> | sounds reasonable |
| 17:21 | <allu2> | and the same packages i said before |
| 17:21 | <cockroach> | i mean, who doesn't? :) |
| 17:21 | <Florentin> | hi all!! |
| 17:21 | <allu2> | evolution-plugins and libpisync1 |
| 17:21 | <allu2> | yeah :P |
| 17:22 | <Florentin> | have you some information about the freeze of squeeze? |
| 17:22 | <cockroach> | !syh |
| 17:23 | <cockroach> | !siyh |
| 17:23 | <dpkg> | i heard siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 17:23 | <allu2> | !unilang |
| 17:23 | <allu2> | doesn't work :P |
| 17:23 | <Florentin> | thx cockroach |
| 17:23 | <Florentin> | ;) |
| 17:23 | <cockroach> | glad i could help :) |
| 17:24 | <allu2> | cockroach: only 1 broken anymore! |
| 17:24 | <ml|> | !wwsr |
| 17:24 | <dpkg> | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 17:24 | <cockroach> | allu2: which one? |
| 17:25 | <allu2> | udev |
| 17:25 | <allu2> | and still didn't install linux-image-686 |
| 17:25 | <bja> | !tell Florentin about squeeze pool 1 |
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| 17:26 | <cockroach> | allu2: so, now if you apt-get install udev linux-image-686, what happens? |
| 17:26 | <cockroach> | or aptitude |
| 17:27 | <allu2> | hmm |
| 17:27 | <allu2> | 3 new 160 removed 706 not upgraded |
| 17:27 | <cockroach> | duh |
| 17:28 | <allu2> | now xorg depens on udev |
| 17:28 | <allu2> | i remove? |
| 17:28 | <cockroach> | no, add it to the install command |
| 17:28 | <cockroach> | see what happens |
| 17:28 | <allu2> | xorg? |
| 17:28 | <cockroach> | yep |
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| 17:29 | <allu2> | 4 new installed others same |
| 17:29 | <allu2> | i say yes? |
| 17:29 | <allu2> | i have to go soon :8 |
| 17:29 | <allu2> | :( |
| 17:30 | <cockroach> | 160 removed sounds pretty bad. i mean, there are some ditry things we can try.. |
| 17:30 | <allu2> | :P |
| 17:30 | <allu2> | i would just like to have X work to goto say why i didn't come :( |
| 17:30 | <cockroach> | okay |
| 17:30 | <cockroach> | so, you do have wget installed, i assume? |
| 17:31 | <allu2> | yeah |
| 17:31 | <cockroach> | then try this: |
| 17:31 | <cockroach> | wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686_2.6.32-5_i386.deb |
| 17:31 | <allu2> | s*it and i have to write it :P |
| 17:31 | <allu2> | huoh |
| 17:31 | <cockroach> | indeed :) |
| 17:32 | <cockroach> | hold on |
| 17:32 | <ml|> | copy and paste if you use screen :) |
| 17:32 | <cockroach> | try http://tinyurl.com/ybzcwer :) |
| 17:32 | <allu2> | thank you! |
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| 17:32 | <cockroach> | np |
| 17:33 | <allu2> | 2 mins |
| 17:33 | <cockroach> | okay. after that, install it with "dpkg -i <filename>.deb" |
| 17:34 | <allu2> | ok |
| 17:34 | <cockroach> | *if* that works, you can then proceed with apt-get -f install |
| 17:34 | <titan8990> | cockroach: no, not upset |
| 17:35 | <titan8990> | cockroach: I generally do not support squeeze though |
| 17:35 | <cockroach> | titan8990: sounds like a time-saving policy :) |
| 17:35 | <ml|> | yeah titan8990 hates stesting ;), heh |
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| 17:36 | <allu2> | cockroach: i think it's working :D |
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| 17:37 | <cockroach> | i mean frankly, testing *is* quite an attention whore. kind of like gentoo. if you leave it alone for too long it gets pissed... |
| 17:37 | <cockroach> | allu2: woohoo! |
| 17:38 | <allu2> | cockroach: but i need to be using the image to upgrade udev? |
| 17:38 | <ml|> | cockroach: that sounds more like sid, which is not supported here |
| 17:38 | <cockroach> | ml|: no, sid is just plain evil. |
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| 17:39 | <ml|> | heh :) |
| 17:39 | <cockroach> | allu2: using the image? |
| 17:39 | <allu2> | cockroach: i reboot and choose it from grub? |
| 17:39 | <allu2> | the wget result |
| 17:39 | <cockroach> | ml|: i still fondly remember the time when netbase broke in sid... |
| 17:40 | <cockroach> | allu2: did udev install? |
| 17:40 | <allu2> | cockroach: no as it needs the kernel thing |
| 17:40 | <ml|> | cockroach: so I take it you don't use sid any more? ;) |
| 17:40 | <cockroach> | allu2: but that one should be installed now |
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| 17:41 | <allu2> | yeah, thats why i tought i need to be on it :P |
| 17:41 | <cockroach> | ml|: exactly. i use the occasional package from sid (mostly xorg, because the radeon driver tends to be less broken than the one in testing), but that's it |
| 17:41 | <cockroach> | allu2: i would seriously hope that udev doesn't need the kernel to be running, otherwise it would be impossible to upgrade to testing :) |
| 17:41 | <cockroach> | allu2: just apt-get install udev and see what happens |
| 17:42 | <allu2> | cockroach: error :( |
| 17:42 | <cockroach> | tf! |
| 17:42 | <allu2> | :( |
| 17:43 | <cockroach> | i mean, there are still things we can try. how much in a hurry are you? :) |
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| 17:44 | <allu2> | well my dad said to close comp 15mins ago and gf has been alone about 1,5 hours... |
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| 17:45 | <aja> | hay algun español |
| 17:45 | <allu2> | cockroach: so what next? :) |
| 17:45 | <aja> | what? |
| 17:45 | <aja> | :( |
| 17:45 | <bja> | !es-social aja |
| 17:45 | <dpkg> | aja: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 17:45 | <ml|> | es-ubuntu aja |
| 17:45 | <cockroach> | allu2: hold on |
| 17:46 | <bja> | ml|: missed ! |
| 17:46 | * | allu2 was put on hold |
| 17:47 | <cockroach> | allu2: so you still cannot run apt-get -f install because udev complains? what does it say? |
| 17:47 | <allu2> | sooo long :'( |
| 17:47 | <allu2> | this pain to write |
| 17:47 | <cockroach> | do you have some keywords? |
| 17:47 | <meglaw> | squeeze broke asciijump! noooooooooo |
| 17:47 | <meglaw> | *** glibc detected *** asciijump: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x08ebf065 *** |
| 17:48 | <cockroach> | allu2: okay, got an idea |
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| 17:48 | <cockroach> | try "touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade" before you run apt-get -f install |
| 17:48 | <allu2> | sciense 150 udev requires support for CONFIG_SYSFSDEPRECATED feature is disabled in the running kernel |
| 17:48 | <cockroach> | that basically tells the udev package that you are currently upgrading your kernel and that it should stop whining |
| 17:49 | <allu2> | plz upgrade kernel before or while installing udev |
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| 17:49 | <allu2> | at your own risk force this installation and break your system |
| 17:49 | <allu2> | to put short |
| 17:50 | <cockroach> | allu2: try "touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade" before you run apt-get -f install |
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| 17:50 | <cockroach> | allu2: that basically tells the udev package that you are currently upgrading your kernel and that it should stop whining |
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| 17:51 | <cockroach> | allu2: (don't forget to remove that file when you're done, otherwise very very bad things might happen) |
| 17:51 | <allu2> | cockroach: thanks to remind :) |
| 17:52 | <cockroach> | :) |
| 17:52 | <allu2> | cockroach: no such file? |
| 17:53 | <linuxguy_> | Hi I am thinking of giving squeeze a tryout, Ive been told good things about it, is it worth a look at.......ive been told its quite stable? |
| 17:53 | <cockroach> | allu2: did you run the upgrade yet? |
| 17:53 | <titan8990> | linuxguy_: hello there |
| 17:53 | <allu2> | linuxguy_: ok i don't say anything now :P |
| 17:53 | <allu2> | cockroach: yes |
| 17:53 | <titan8990> | I just explained to him on the freenode channel |
| 17:53 | <allu2> | cockroach: and it worked i think |
| 17:53 | <adb> | linuxguy_, 23:46<linuxguy> Titan8990, thanks for your help |
| 17:53 | <ml|> | dpkg: tell linuxguy_ about testing |
| 17:53 | <linuxguy_> | titan8990, your here as well?...........lol |
| 17:54 | <ml|> | oh |
| 17:54 | <titan8990> | linuxguy_: I am *everywhere* :) |
| 17:54 | <ml|> | hehe |
| 17:54 | <cockroach> | allu2: nice. so now if you run 'apt-get -f install' again it doesn't do anyhing? |
| 17:54 | <allu2> | cockroach: to run apt-get autoremove |
| 17:54 | <allu2> | but nothing else |
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| 17:55 | <allu2> | cockroach: i reboot? |
| 17:55 | <cockroach> | allu2: nice. just to be on the safe side, run update-grub first |
| 17:55 | <linuxguy_> | titan8990, i saw a squeeze video with kde4.4 today, I was intrigued because i cant see any reference to sqeeze/kde4 |
| 17:56 | <titan8990> | judd: versions kdelibs4 |
| 17:56 | <judd> | Sorry, no package named 'kdelibs4' was found. |
| 17:56 | <titan8990> | judd: versions kdelibs |
| 17:56 | <judd> | kdelibs -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch1; etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch3; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny3; lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3; squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3 |
| 17:56 | <allu2> | cockroach: done and now? |
| 17:56 | <allu2> | reboot finally? |
| 17:56 | <cockroach> | allu2: now it might be okay to reboot. let's hope so :) |
| 17:56 | <ml|> | allu2: good luck |
| 17:56 | <allu2> | thank you! |
| 17:56 | <allu2> | i'll be back |
| 17:56 | <cockroach> | we'll be waiting |
| 17:56 | <allu2> | hopefully... |
| 17:56 | <allu2> | :P |
| 17:56 | <allu2> | :D |
| 17:56 | <allu2> | see ya |
| 17:56 | <titan8990> | linuxguy_: if you want a bleeding-edge KDE distro... there is one pretty obvious choice |
| 17:57 | <cockroach> | cu |
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| 17:57 | <chance2105> | linuxguy_, I like Debian testing, but unless I had a reason, I don't use it. Valid to me reasons are unsupported or incompletely supported hardware, software not available through backports.org, etc. |
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| 18:02 | <allu2> | horrible! |
| 18:02 | <cockroach> | hey, you're back |
| 18:02 | <amphi> | eldritch! |
| 18:02 | <allu2> | udev throws errors and in end internet doesn't work and i don't have drivers for my wlan card |
| 18:02 | <allu2> | acx is missing compleatly |
| 18:02 | <cockroach> | neat. |
| 18:03 | <ml|> | maybe time for a reinstall? |
| 18:03 | <allu2> | how i get to this point so often |
| 18:03 | <allu2> | :p |
| 18:03 | <cockroach> | allu2: what if you run apt-get dist-upgrade now? |
| 18:03 | <cockroach> | allu2: nah, we can fix that |
| 18:03 | <titan8990> | YAY! squeeze ftw |
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| 18:03 | <titan8990> | !udev squeeze |
| 18:03 | <dpkg> | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
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| 18:04 | <ml|> | allu2: maybe testing is not for you |
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| 18:04 | <bob493> | how can i find the uuid of my parititions? what's the command? |
| 18:04 | <allu2> | cockroach: werd thingsd |
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| 18:04 | <allu2> | cockroach: it wants to downgrade something to testing verision :S |
| 18:04 | <ml|> | bob493: blkid |
| 18:05 | <cockroach> | allu2: hrm. |
| 18:05 | <allu2> | cockroach: it wants to remove non free parts of ffmpeg |
| 18:05 | <cockroach> | allu2: i would recommend you let it do that |
| 18:05 | <bob493> | thanks ml| |
| 18:05 | <allu2> | keep linux-image-2.6.686 on same |
| 18:05 | <allu2> | and amsn too |
| 18:05 | <ml|> | np |
| 18:06 | <cockroach> | allu2: btw, it seems you lose |
| 18:06 | <cockroach> | !acx |
| 18:06 | <dpkg> | Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 802.11b wireless LAN chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx driver. Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/acx for installation instructions. Removed from testing due to build failure on Linux 2.6.32 (Debian bug #563474). This driver does not support <WPA>. Device matrix: http://acx100.sf.net/matrix.html http://acx100.sf.net/ #acx100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:06 | <allu2> | ou *uck |
| 18:07 | * | allu2 watches ubuntu installation cd |
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| 18:07 | <cockroach> | allu2: heh |
| 18:08 | <allu2> | cockroach: you think i should try? |
| 18:08 | <cockroach> | ubuntu? |
| 18:08 | <allu2> | yeah |
| 18:08 | * | allu2 remebers how all begin by arora 0.2... |
| 18:08 | <allu2> | in lenny |
| 18:08 | <allu2> | and i wanted 0.10.. |
| 18:09 | <cockroach> | i can't answer that. if i say yes we just wasted a significant amount of time, if i say no you stay without wireless networking :) |
| 18:09 | <allu2> | heh i have to have it :P |
| 18:09 | <allu2> | my server uses wired and modem runs out of places |
| 18:09 | <allu2> | leaving this on wlan |
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| 18:10 | <allu2> | well thank you all for helping :) |
| 18:10 | * | allu2 learned a lot today |
| 18:10 | <allu2> | expecially cockroach , thank you :) |
| 18:10 | <cockroach> | heh, you're welcome. if you want to learn even more, you can try *down*grading to lenny and backporting arora :) |
| 18:10 | <allu2> | cockroach: tried already ;) |
| 18:10 | <allu2> | thank you also titan8990 |
| 18:10 | <cockroach> | (and no, downgrading is not supported and should not be done) |
| 18:11 | <allu2> | :P |
| 18:11 | <allu2> | that explains |
| 18:11 | <allu2> | why last time it didn't work out so well :P |
| 18:11 | <cockroach> | heh |
| 18:11 | <cockroach> | it *can* be done, if you're careful |
| 18:11 | <titan8990> | !downgrade |
| 18:11 | <dpkg> | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 18:11 | <allu2> | then i actually had squeeze but it crashed every second boot :S |
| 18:11 | <cockroach> | sounds enjoyable |
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| 18:12 | <allu2> | yeah |
| 18:12 | <allu2> | :P |
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| 18:12 | <allu2> | well see ya :) |
| 18:12 | <cockroach> | cu |
| 18:12 | <allu2> | good night, hyvää yötä, bonne nuit |
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| 18:21 | <bob493> | in '/etc/crypttab' how can I refer to a source device by its uuid |
| 18:21 | <bob493> | ? |
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| 18:22 | <clinton> | Hi, is there a guide to getting drupal working on lenny. I installed the drupal6 package, then copied /usr/share/drupal to /var/www/drupal, but whenever I go to http://127.0.0.1/drupal/index.php it just prompts me to download index.php. Is there something else I should do? |
| 18:22 | <bob493> | would it be like '/dev/sda/"the uuid"' or would it be '/dev/sda/by-uuid/[UUID of your device]'? |
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| 18:23 | <bob493> | or maybe would it be '/dev/disk/by-uuid/[UUID of device]'? |
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| 18:25 | <ShenLung> | clinton: you have apache with mysql? |
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| 18:26 | <ShenLung> | clinton: you testet, if php works? |
| 18:26 | <andy_> | Hello!! |
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| 18:27 | <clinton> | shenlung: I think the mysql package downloaded with drupal |
| 18:27 | <clinton> | along with apache |
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| 18:27 | <clinton> | shenlung: how do I test php? |
| 18:27 | <andy_> | I have a weird problem with lenny working on IBM X3650 |
| 18:28 | <ShenLung> | clinton: what? First you have to install apache+mysql+php, then you can install drupal |
| 18:28 | <ml|> | bob493: the second should work |
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| 18:29 | <ShenLung> | clinton: look this http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server |
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| 18:30 | <andy_> | anyone?? |
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| 18:31 | <paggas> | andy_: Just state your problem and maybe someone will help :) |
| 18:31 | <ml|> | andy_: ask a real question, if you want help |
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| 18:33 | <andy_> | server running lenny, IBM x3650, two broadcom ethernet devices... eth0 goes to lan eth1 goes to wan, if the server is not using eth1 the it stops of recieving data, but the interface is up, no problems, no logs... nothing.. mii-tool says everything ok... any clues?? |
| 18:34 | <bob493> | ml|: so the '/dev/sda/by-uuid/[UUID of device]'? |
| 18:34 | <ml|> | yes, that should work |
| 18:34 | <bob493> | ok thanks :) |
| 18:35 | <clinton> | shenlung: I followed the instructions in the page you gave me but its still just prompting me to download index.php |
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| 18:36 | <ShenLung> | clinton: then I think your php doesn't work. You have php5 installed and tried the test.php from the page? |
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| 18:37 | <themill> | !php wants me to download still |
| 18:37 | <dpkg> | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
| 18:37 | <ml|> | bob493: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ <-- the second |
| 18:37 | <paggas> | andy_: Huh, I didn't get the problem... |
| 18:38 | <bob493> | ml|: ok thanks for the clarification :) |
| 18:38 | <ml|> | np |
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| 18:42 | <andy_> | the server has eth0 and eth1, eth1 is connected to wan... in some moment and can send and recieve data from and to internet, but in other momento it freeze... I can't even send or recieve a ping in eth1... my configuration is fine.. and in the moment of the problem mii-tool says everything is ok |
| 18:42 | <paggas> | andy_: The interface freezes and unfreezes randomly? |
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| 18:44 | <andy_> | sometimes... other way is restarting both interfaces with networking restart, because ifdown eth1 does not help, and sometimes neither do networking restart |
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| 18:45 | <andy_> | if you ask for the router or the switch, there are more servers connected, and the problem happens in two equal servers ibm x3650 |
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| 18:48 | <nene_> | hi |
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| 18:55 | <linuxguy_> | titan8990, are you still........had to be somewhere else for a bit hence late reply |
| 18:56 | <linuxguy_> | >>oops issed out here |
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| 19:06 | <adb> | got ventilator issue , it start every , say 15 sec , but without apparently reason, laptop is idle, temperature in room is ~15 ℃ , any ideas? |
| 19:07 | <adb> | doing same thing on 2.6.26/ or .32 |
| 19:08 | <ml|> | adb: this started recently? |
| 19:08 | <adb> | yes , in last ~2 days |
| 19:08 | <bja> | adb: Do you have a cat as a pet, or a dog? |
| 19:09 | <ml|> | maybe a hardware issue? |
| 19:09 | <adb> | bja, not near here |
| 19:09 | <andy_> | so, no ideas about my problem? |
| 19:09 | <bja> | adb: Either case, a can of compressed air can help you a lot |
| 19:09 | <ml|> | good idea to clean that laptop out |
| 19:10 | <adb> | ml|, last clean has 2 weeks |
| 19:10 | <bja> | be carefull you have to take all the dust and god knows what else is on your heat disipator |
| 19:10 | <ml|> | hmm, sounds like sound hardware issue then |
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| 19:11 | <bja> | adb: it will not hurt you. I had one lap that had to be cleaned every week or else it would overheat and shutdown |
| 19:11 | <ml|> | s/sound// |
| 19:11 | <adb> | bja, laptop is all in free space |
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| 19:11 | <adb> | laptop is cold always parts |
| 19:12 | <ml|> | adb: I mean like a faulty sensor or such |
| 19:12 | <bja> | adb: Faulty hardware sensor |
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| 19:12 | <ml|> | !lose bja |
| 19:12 | <dpkg> | bja: You Lose. |
| 19:12 | <adb> | that's bee |
| 19:13 | <bja> | adb: what does acpi -V tells you about the temperature |
| 19:13 | <adb> | acpi: command not found .. |
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| 19:15 | <adb> | it seems that's not installed |
| 19:15 | <bja> | adb: I am looking for the package, i just don't recall the name of it |
| 19:16 | <bja> | adb: it is called acpi, install it, it should display the lots of usefull info on your lap (battery and thermal) |
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| 19:16 | <adb> | bja, thanks |
| 19:18 | <adb> | Thermal 0: ok, 31.0 degrees C |
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| 19:18 | <npxx> | hello |
| 19:18 | <adb> | Cooling 0: Processor 0 of 7 |
| 19:19 | <npxx> | help me pls for avermedia hybrid dvb-s,dvb-t,analog fm tv card |
| 19:19 | <npxx> | not for |
| 19:19 | <npxx> | not work |
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| 19:20 | <adb> | second test get Thermal 0: ok, 29.0 degrees C |
| 19:21 | <bja> | npxx: Try to be more specific write down all the steps you have taken to make it work and be more precise on your question what is not working. |
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| 19:21 | <bja> | adb: your laptop is running very cool, mine is at 42.5 |
| 19:21 | <adb> | sa said here in 15 degrees C |
| 19:22 | <npxx> | lspci |
| 19:22 | <npxx> | 02:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors Device 7160 (rev 03) |
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| 19:22 | <bja> | !tell npxx about paste |
| 19:22 | <npxx> | avermedia a707 tv card |
| 19:23 | <npxx> | not work |
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| 19:23 | <root> | jo |
| 19:23 | <bja> | npxx: be patiente someon will eventually know the asnwear |
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| 19:25 | <npxx> | does not recognize my card |
| 19:25 | <linuxguy_> | adb, wewre you telling me good stuff abour debian squeeae last nie? |
| 19:25 | <linuxguy_> | oops nite |
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| 19:25 | <npxx> | ı need my card driver for linux |
| 19:26 | <adb> | linuxguy_, was not me |
| 19:26 | <bja> | adb: take a look at /etc/acpi and man acpid maybe your defaults are not the ones optimal for your machine |
| 19:26 | <linuxguy_> | adb, sorry.......thaanks |
| 19:26 | <adb> | bja, ok thanks |
| 19:27 | <bja> | np |
| 19:27 | <adb> | but i just acpi ... |
| 19:27 | <adb> | but i just installed* |
| 19:27 | <npxx> | More than 1 year became a kind of this card can not run |
| 19:28 | <bja> | /etc/acpi is the config dir for acpid which is the deamon that hands the info to acpi |
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| 19:29 | <npxx> | pls help me |
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| 19:40 | <adb> | bja, now is 28.0 degrees C, and seems ventilator is stopped .. |
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| 19:41 | <bja> | ok, it will start in a few seconds, strange ... |
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| 20:00 | <bja> | adb: check syslog look for Thermal Zone [THM] Mine is 25 C) |
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| 20:05 | <Mitar> | hi, how can I found out from a script if my script is running on i386 or amd64 platform? |
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| 20:05 | <sney> | Mitar: uname -m |
| 20:05 | <Mitar> | the problem is that i get x86_64 and i686 |
| 20:06 | <Mitar> | i would like to get the same names are they are used in package repositories |
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| 20:07 | <bja> | Mitar: do a table for that if a then b if c then d |
| 20:07 | <dkr> | uname -m |grep -q x86_64 && echo amd64 || echo i386 |
| 20:07 | <sney> | well there you go |
| 20:08 | <Mitar> | ehm, thanks, but i would like to find some way to get it from dpkg or something ... so to have exactly the same value dpkg is using for packages so that i do not need to reinvent the wheel |
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| 20:08 | <Mitar> | dpkg --version prints it .. |
| 20:08 | <dpkg> | Mitar: i haven't a clue |
| 20:09 | <dkr> | get it from kernel or libc package, perhaps? |
| 20:09 | <Mitar> | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 20:09 | <dpkg> | armeb |
| 20:09 | <Mitar> | that is even better ;-) |
| 20:09 | <dkr> | heh, cool |
| 20:10 | <Mitar> | this is exactly what i was searching for ;-) |
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| 21:06 | <bja> | Since compression and encryption are close relatives, encrypting a compressed file will rendered the same level of protection as encrypting a plain text file, and the size of the output file will be similar? |
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| 21:14 | <bja> | thx guys i found the solution |
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| 21:25 | <servernoob> | so I'm new to building web servers and want to make a server that is secure as possible...or at least very secure |
| 21:26 | <servernoob> | I've been doing a decent amount of research, today mostly, and wanted to check with the people here about the correct partition sizes I should allocate per each folder |
| 21:27 | <servernoob> | *mount points, not folders |
| 21:27 | <dondelelcaro> | servernoob: depends on what you're doing |
| 21:27 | <dondelelcaro> | servernoob: my personal suggestion would be to use lvm for everything except /boot, make your best guess with a reasonable amount of unallocated space in the lvm, and then grow things as necessary |
| 21:27 | <servernoob> | eventually what I would like to accomplish is to build a fake web hosting company (this is for a class) |
| 21:28 | <servernoob> | so the main capabilities I would absolutely need are apach, php, mysql |
| 21:28 | <servernoob> | which I know how to get |
| 21:29 | <servernoob> | I'll prob also be adding email server and ftp server |
| 21:29 | <servernoob> | yea, thats what I've been reading |
| 21:30 | <servernoob> | could u explain, briefly, what the difference between lvm and standard partitioning is? |
| 21:31 | <servernoob> | I've been looking at these instructions most recently: http://www.virasec.be/content/how-install-secure-debian-gnulinux-server-page-3-partitioning |
| 21:31 | <servernoob> | which says what ur saying |
| 21:32 | <servernoob> | but I'm not sure why the "/" and "swap" partitions are formatted differently |
| 21:32 | <servernoob> | other than their note, which said that lvm is not a filesystem |
| 21:34 | <servernoob> | would their partition sizes be large enough to account for the web server, email server, and ftp server? |
| 21:34 | <servernoob> | sorry for all the questions |
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| 22:32 | <lantizia> | is mono-common (and probably thus tomboy) a default installed package for users of CD1 on lenny? |
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| 22:39 | <servernoob> | anyone here use webmin? |
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| 22:39 | <ml|> | !webadmin |
| 22:39 | <ml|> | !webmin |
| 22:39 | <dpkg> | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 22:40 | <servernoob> | lol |
| 22:40 | <servernoob> | didnt look too safe |
| 22:41 | <servernoob> | ty |
| 22:42 | <ml|> | lantizia: btw, figure out the updatedb thing? |
| 22:42 | <lantizia> | ml|, nah I gave up |
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| 22:43 | <ml|> | lantizia: need to man updatedb.conf and look at /etc/updatedb.conf |
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| 22:43 | <ml|> | nfs and cifs are listed in PRUNEFS= |
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| 22:45 | <ml|> | try removing those and NFS; then do a manual updatedb |
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| 22:46 | <lantizia> | I don't need it now, that was hours ago, forget it |
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| 22:50 | <bpocock> | jrib: tried adding a blank line, still not working... could it be a problem with the executable file thats preventing it from running on intervals but allowing it to run on boot? |
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| 22:52 | <aabrown> | test |
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| 22:57 | <aabrown> | test |
| 22:58 | <sney> | hi |
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| 22:59 | <aabrown> | okay now I am registered |
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| 23:14 | <servernoob> | what ftp package would u guys recommend? |
| 23:14 | <ml|> | aabrown: /msg dpkg test ; to test that you are here/connected |
| 23:14 | <sney> | servernoob: if you *need* ftp, vsftpd is the recommended one, followed by proftpd, but I prefer to just stick with sftp |
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| 23:15 | <ml|> | ^ agreed; except I would just use ssh with rsync or scp as needed |
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| 23:16 | <servernoob> | nice, I was just looking at the vsftpd |
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| 23:16 | <sney> | ml|: sftp because it's directly supported by pretty much every gui ftp client in existence, to keep the $other_os clients happy |
| 23:16 | <servernoob> | wouldn't most servers need ftp? |
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| 23:17 | <ml|> | depends on your needs/usage |
| 23:17 | <servernoob> | understandable |
| 23:17 | <servernoob> | it's going to be a webserver |
| 23:17 | <ml|> | sney: I see, not an issue here tho |
| 23:17 | <servernoob> | so ftp is necessary |
| 23:17 | <sney> | ftp is the traditional way to upload files to a public server, but there are newer and more secure ways to do that now. |
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| 23:18 | <ml|> | that can be done with http and should be better from what I've read |
| 23:18 | <prufrock51> | i use scp for webservers... |
| 23:18 | <servernoob> | really? |
| 23:18 | <prufrock51> | with mozilla ftp client |
| 23:18 | <prufrock51> | secure and easy |
| 23:19 | <prufrock51> | filezilla... |
| 23:19 | <servernoob> | hmm |
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| 23:21 | <servernoob> | thanks for the suggestions |
| 23:21 | <sney> | just keep reading, and don't do anything just because it's the way you think other people do it |
| 23:21 | <ml|> | you can always just use scp in a terminal also |
| 23:21 | <servernoob> | yea i know, I'm just trying to get this up and running |
| 23:22 | <servernoob> | but i want it as secure as I can get it |
| 23:22 | <servernoob> | so... |
| 23:22 | <ml|> | in that case read and take your time |
| 23:22 | <sney> | sftp et al are quick and secure to set up because they're part of the ssh package. if you have ssh already running, you've got sftp! hooray! |
| 23:22 | <ml|> | :) |
| 23:23 | <sney> | while a truly secure ftp server is a pain and a half to get right the first time |
| 23:23 | <bja> | servernoob: stick to what sney said. Remember also that strong passwords are a must |
| 23:23 | <servernoob> | ty |
| 23:24 | <ml|> | keys with strong passphare is another option with ssh |
| 23:24 | <servernoob> | if I install vsftpd and use that for now, I can always go back and upgrade to something different |
| 23:24 | <servernoob> | not sure if thats the best approach |
| 23:24 | <servernoob> | but this is my first server |
| 23:25 | <ml|> | and disabling password authentication for ssh |
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| 23:26 | <servernoob> | how difficult would it be to create a fake web hosting site...aka a site that would act as a webhosting site for a class |
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| 23:26 | <sney> | servernoob: pretty easy |
| 23:26 | <servernoob> | i was going with ftp, cus that's what I've always used in the past to add files to a paid webserver |
| 23:27 | <sney> | I have a development webserver running off a laptop, it only took me a couple hours to set it up |
| 23:27 | <servernoob> | yea, thats what I was thinking |
| 23:27 | <servernoob> | nice |
| 23:27 | <bja> | servernoob: apt-get install apache2 and its allready up |
| 23:27 | <sney> | (a couple hours including the debian install and the fight with the wifi card) |
| 23:27 | <bja> | then you obviously have to put the content |
| 23:27 | <servernoob> | lol yea |
| 23:28 | <servernoob> | ive done more web development, than I have server development |
| 23:28 | <sney> | mysql-server winds up being required a lot of the time too, and php5 |
| 23:28 | <servernoob> | yea |
| 23:28 | <bja> | you don't fight wifi cards, you use the magic words, please and thank you. if the little suckers don't work you beat the crap out of them |
| 23:28 | <servernoob> | thats what I was planning on using |
| 23:29 | <sney> | it falls off the network a few times a day, I have a cron script to put it back on once an hour, it works well enough |
| 23:29 | <ml|> | can also try nginx or lighttpd |
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| 23:30 | <servernoob> | I'm just now sure how to set it up so "potential" customers can choose packages and be allocated resources to create their own sites |
| 23:30 | <servernoob> | all fake of course, but the functionality needs to be there |
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| 23:44 | <clocker> | Can't get my time to register correctly. The gui won't make the choices stick for time zone. Even setting it manually I can't set it without it changing it back before I'm finished. Ideas? |
| 23:45 | <sney> | set it with 'date' and /etc/timezone ? |
| 23:46 | <clocker> | k |
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| 23:46 | <johnfg> | hi guys |
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| 23:47 | <johnfg> | I installed both usbmount and pmount, but neither seems to be able to mount my cruzer 8gb flash drive, formatted as ntfs. |
| 23:47 | <johnfg> | I added ntfs to the usbmount.conf, but it still won't mount. |
| 23:48 | <johnfg> | Any ideas? |
| 23:49 | <johnfg> | I'm not totally sure about running pmount. I tried pmount usb, then usb0, put get an error. |
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| 23:57 | <djkow> | ntfs-3g |
| 23:57 | <chl> | for ntfs r/w you need ntfs-3n |
| 23:57 | <chl> | ntfs-3g |
| 23:57 | <djkow> | |
| 23:58 | <clocker> | sney, no /etc/timezone to be found, but ended up using tzselect. We'll see if that sticks |
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| --- | Log | closed Sat Mar 13 00:00:08 2010 |
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