| --- | Log | opened Sun Mar 07 00:00:01 2010 |
| --- | Day | changed Sun Mar 07 2010 |
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| 01:15 | <meglaw> | morrn |
| 01:16 | <paranoidphreak> | hi everybody, is there any package that i can install on my system that can analyze my system and the hardware it detects that don't have a driver or a firmware, it automatically recommends them (the drivers)? |
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| 02:05 | <pakete> | hello |
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| 02:10 | <fixl> | where is the appropriate place to ask what my kvm/virt-manager errors mean? I'm runnind sid |
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| 03:29 | <spartano> | xplosionirc.net |
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| 03:43 | <boolean> | what is the most default language to base my locals on? the norwegian is a combination of three different languages |
| 03:48 | <cahoot> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locale |
| 03:49 | <boolean> | it doen't mention default language |
| 03:49 | <boolean> | what is the most correct language? |
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| 03:50 | <cahoot> | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908775/xbd/locale.html |
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| 03:53 | <boolean> | didn't make me much smarter. i don't want a definition only if i should us en_US or en_UK |
| 03:53 | <boolean> | and if i should use utf8 |
| 03:54 | <boolean> | what is most likely to always stay updated? |
| 03:55 | <boolean> | posix or none? |
| 03:55 | <boolean> | i don't think i can select that |
| 03:55 | <boolean> | not sure though |
| 03:55 | <cahoot> | I think you want utf8 if you wnat to use øæ"etc |
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| 03:57 | <boolean> | i believe æøå is included without utf8 |
| 03:58 | <cahoot> | even if you choose en_US? |
| 03:59 | <boolean> | i think so |
| 04:00 | <boolean> | as long as i choose no keymap |
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| 04:02 | <boolean> | anyway.. is utf8 what everyone use these days? |
| 04:02 | <boolean> | en_us.utf8? |
| 04:03 | <babilen> | I would *strongly* suggest to use a utf-8 locale. The language however is up to you - I use en_GB, but you can adjust that to your liking. |
| 04:04 | <boolean> | well.. i tried norwegian.. but that is a combination of different languages. i want one that is always updated. the debians default language |
| 04:04 | <boolean> | or what i should call it |
| 04:05 | <babilen> | You mean that norwegian is only partly translated? |
| 04:05 | <boolean> | yes |
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| 04:06 | <boolean> | is there a language called C? |
| 04:07 | <babilen> | I guess that en_* and de_DE are pretty complete. |
| 04:07 | <boolean> | written on a forum |
| 04:07 | <boolean> | root .. default (C) |
| 04:07 | <boolean> | normal user account .. cs_CZ iso-8859-2 |
| 04:07 | <boolean> | what is C? |
| 04:07 | <jmarsden> | boolean: There is a locale called C. Same as POSIX I think. |
| 04:08 | <boolean> | so that is what I should choose maybe then? |
| 04:09 | <babilen> | boolean: I would choose en_US or en_GB according to your preference. |
| 04:09 | <boolean> | ok |
| 04:09 | <boolean> | thanks :) |
| 04:09 | <babilen> | !tell boolean -about locale |
| 04:09 | <jmarsden> | I don't know what you need or what the consequences of using a given default for you are. en_US seems sane to me. |
| 04:10 | <babilen> | boolean: you can "/msg dpkg <factoid>" to get more information. Read the articles linked in the factoid dpkg just told you about. |
| 04:10 | <boolean> | what kind of locale is C/POSIX? |
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| 04:10 | <babilen> | it's the default locale (i.e. English) |
| 04:11 | <boolean> | for the distro? |
| 04:11 | <boolean> | or for my place? |
| 04:11 | <babilen> | boolean: http://www.gnu.org/s/libc/manual/html_node/Standard-Locales.html |
| 04:11 | <boolean> | thanks :) |
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| 04:12 | <babilen> | boolean: Read the ISO standard to find out - Or don't waste any more time and just use en_US/en_GB :) |
| 04:12 | <boolean> | hehe |
| 04:12 | <boolean> | ok :p |
| 04:12 | <boolean> | thanks for helping :) |
| 04:12 | <babilen> | no problem |
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| 04:18 | <red-> | i got some trouble with upgrading from lenny to testing(squeeze).. changed my sources.list, updated apt-get and tried an dist-upgrade.. everything runs smooth.. buth 0 packets needs to be updated |
| 04:20 | <locklace> | dpkg: tell red- about lenny->squeeze |
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| 04:22 | <red-> | exactly what i done.. but i doesnt work.. if i try to install a package after the "upgrade" i get errors like this |
| 04:22 | <red-> | svarten:/etc/apt# apt-get install doom-wad |
| 04:22 | <red-> | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:22 | <red-> | Building dependency tree |
| 04:22 | <red-> | Reading state information... Done |
| 04:22 | <red-> | Note, selecting doom-wad-shareware instead of doom-wad |
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| 04:27 | <kenyon> | dpkg: tell red- about pastebin |
| 04:28 | <red-> | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:28 | <red-> | Building dependency tree |
| 04:28 | <red-> | Reading state information... Done |
| 04:28 | <red-> | Note, selecting doom-wad-shareware instead of doom-wad |
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| 04:33 | <ggl_7> | hi can i set up an xserver on my remote server, and have the client on my home pc? |
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| 04:57 | <d3> | is |
| 04:57 | <jamshoot> | Hi there |
| 04:58 | <d3> | hi bot |
| 04:58 | <jamshoot> | I need some help with windows=) I have usb-flash with 2 part. on it. Can i set -boot flag on 2nd partition from win7 |
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| 04:58 | <d3> | not likely |
| 04:58 | <Ganneff> | jamshoot: you are wrong here, go to a windows support place |
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| 04:59 | <jamshoot> | <Ganneff> they are bad... =/ |
| 04:59 | <Ganneff> | i dont care, you are still wrong here |
| 04:59 | <jamshoot> | ok |
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| 05:05 | <MrShad0wX> | Hi all |
| 05:06 | <babilen> | welcome |
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| 05:29 | <anonimo> | hola |
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| 05:29 | <anonimo> | ay alguien |
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| 05:59 | <boolean> | i read the kernel compile guide, but where is make-kpkg? |
| 05:59 | <cahoot> | !k-p |
| 05:59 | <dpkg> | [kernel-package][kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 06:00 | <boolean> | build-essential isn't mentioned in the guide |
| 06:00 | <cahoot> | shame shame |
| 06:01 | <boolean> | yes |
| 06:02 | <boolean> | ok.. back and try |
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| 06:18 | <boolean> | no.. build-essential didn't include make-kpkg |
| 06:19 | <rpetre> | kernel-package does |
| 06:19 | <cahoot> | aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 06:19 | <cahoot> | as the bot told |
| 06:19 | <boolean> | already installed |
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| 06:19 | <rpetre> | kernel-package: /usr/bin/make-kpkg |
| 06:20 | <boolean> | devscripts? |
| 06:21 | <rpetre> | not needed |
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| 06:22 | <rpetre> | kernel-package should pull build-essential and the rest, and libncurses5-dev is for the pretty ncurses interface instead of cli-only |
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| 06:25 | <boolean> | also i have trouble building the ath9k drivers |
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| 06:26 | <boolean> | it says that Modules does not exist in the kerneltree |
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| 06:26 | <boolean> | error 2 and error 1 shows up |
| 06:26 | <boolean> | error 2 on main.o |
| 06:26 | <boolean> | or .c |
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| 06:29 | <boolean> | i have made a ln -s /home/<path to kernel source/ /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
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| 06:33 | <cahoot> | boolean: why are you building a custom kernel in the first place? |
| 06:34 | <boolean> | well. i need the ath9k drivers |
| 06:34 | <cahoot> | !ath9k |
| 06:34 | <dpkg> | [ath9k][ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11 draft-n PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in the mainline kernel since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. AR9287 and AR2427 are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170usb>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 06:34 | <boolean> | it is not included in the stable release |
| 06:34 | <boolean> | and i have no inet connection |
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| 06:36 | <locklace> | boolean: that's what backport kernels are for |
| 06:36 | <locklace> | !tell boolean about bpo |
| 06:36 | <boolean> | and where should i get the backport kernel without inet? |
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| 06:37 | <locklace> | boolean: download the .deb from a system with net access, then stick it on a usb drive or whatever |
| 06:37 | <boolean> | ahh |
| 06:37 | <boolean> | and then i need to include it in sources or something? |
| 06:37 | <boolean> | or could i specify it with aptitude? |
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| 06:37 | <boolean> | aptitude install package.deb ? |
| 06:37 | <rudi_s> | boolean: There is also apt-zip to simplify this for more packages. |
| 06:38 | <rpetre> | dpkg -i package.deb |
| 06:38 | * | dpkg installs package.deb into rpetre's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 06:38 | <rudi_s> | boolean: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 06:38 | <boolean> | ok |
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| 06:38 | <boolean> | thanks |
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| 06:39 | <boolean> | i also need debian-backports-keyring ? |
| 06:39 | <locklace> | not just to download a kernel .deb |
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| 06:40 | <locklace> | boolean: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.32&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports |
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| 06:43 | <boolean> | will dpkg |
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| 06:43 | <boolean> | will dpkg -i automatically add it to grub? |
| 06:44 | <locklace> | yes |
| 06:44 | <boolean> | ok thanks |
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| 06:50 | <boolean> | what was the link to the backport drivers again? i think i downloaded the wrong driver |
| 06:50 | <boolean> | what is bpo? |
| 06:50 | <boolean> | it gave me a firmware warning |
| 06:51 | <boolean> | no¨ |
| 06:51 | <boolean> | bpo is backport |
| 06:51 | <boolean> | ok |
| 06:51 | <boolean> | should i care about the frimware? |
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| 06:52 | <fedorano> | abjects.net |
| 06:52 | <aguitel> | boolean, bpo is backports |
| 06:55 | <boolean> | ok.. now i have installed the kernel. is there a way to rerun the network install which i had to jump over at install of debian? |
| 06:58 | <rpetre> | if you installed it, you should already have a working system, make sure your network works properly then install whatever packages you like with aptitude |
| 06:58 | <boolean> | i didn't have a network connection at setup, so i skipped it |
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| 07:23 | <j0sfg> | "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint" is listed in /proc/bus/input/devices and also by dmesg. Why am I not able to use it in X? I'm on Debian Lenny, and my xorg.conf is empty. Xorg.0.log says (--) Configured Mouse: PnP-detected protocol: "ExplorerPS/2". I seem to be using the ps/2 mouse driver rather the touchpad driver. |
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| 07:27 | <locklace> | j0sfg: install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
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| 07:28 | <j0sfg> | when i compiled my kernel, i said no to "Provide legacy /dev/psaux device", but the stock kernel also did the same |
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| 07:29 | <j0sfg> | locklace: i had installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, but that wasn't loading. i think because my touchpad is not synaptics, but apls glidepoint? |
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| 07:30 | <locklace> | j0sfg: less /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/README.alps |
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| 07:31 | <j0sfg> | locklace: thanks, i'll install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics again, and i'll try this... appreciate your help. |
| 07:32 | <Kwpolska> | where can I find adept for lenny? |
| 07:33 | <aguitel> | Kwpolska, adept? |
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| 07:33 | <Kwpolska> | aguitel: adept, gui for package management |
| 07:33 | <Kwpolska> | made by boobunties. |
| 07:33 | <j0sfg> | '/whois adept |
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| 07:34 | <aguitel> | Kwpolska, use synaptic |
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| 07:39 | <mix22891> | xxx |
| 07:41 | <mix22891> | hi. i cannot find the .ICO links that the setup create |
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| 07:41 | <mix22891> | i mean to run with Wine |
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| 07:43 | <mix22891> | i see half of the text here! |
| 07:43 | <mix22891> | why |
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| 07:43 | <mix22891> | WAKE UP! |
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| 07:44 | <azeem_> | mix22891: try asking a coherent question |
| 07:44 | <mix22891> | i see half of the text here! |
| 07:44 | <azeem_> | what is "here"? |
| 07:44 | <azeem_> | also, that was an exclamation, not a question |
| 07:46 | <mix22891> | in the chat |
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| 07:46 | <azeem_> | mix22891: then contact the vendor of your chat client |
| 07:47 | <mix22891> | it's X-CHAT |
| 07:48 | <azeem_> | then try to better explain your problem |
| 07:48 | <azeem_> | or post a screenshot demonstrating it |
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| 07:51 | <mix22891> | i cannot find .ICO shortcut |
| 07:51 | <azeem_> | I have no idea what that means |
| 07:51 | <azeem_> | are you talking about x-chat? |
| 07:51 | <mix22891> | no |
| 07:51 | <mix22891> | for WINE |
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| 07:52 | <azeem_> | what does "dpkg -l wine | tail -1" say? |
| 07:52 | <mix22891> | i cannot find .ICO shortcut to run game |
| 07:53 | <azeem_> | what does "dpkg -l wine | tail -1" say? |
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| 07:53 | <mix22891> | donno |
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| 07:54 | <cahoot> | mounting suspension |
| 07:54 | <mix22891> | dont know |
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| 07:54 | <azeem_> | mix22891: then run the command, and report back |
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| 07:55 | <mix22891> | where i the "program file" folder is? |
| 07:56 | <azeem_> | mix22891: how is this question related to Debian? |
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| 07:58 | <mix22891> | WINE create "program files" folder |
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| 07:59 | <Torsten_W> | what has this "problem" to do with debian? |
| 07:59 | <mix22891> | i have install some game, and i don't know where the game is located |
| 07:59 | <Torsten_W> | in ~/.wine/foo |
| 07:59 | <azeem_> | mix22891: then ask the people who made the game |
| 08:00 | <cahoot> | clogged input channel? |
| 08:00 | <mix22891> | azeem if you cannot help then dont |
| 08:01 | <mix22891> | you are realy don't help me |
| 08:01 | <Torsten_W> | tjis is #debian, not #winehq |
| 08:01 | <Torsten_W> | *this |
| 08:01 | <mix22891> | tjis yeeeeeeees |
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| 08:07 | <irene> | ola |
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| 08:07 | <mix22891> | how to remove the "home" folder from the desktop? |
| 08:08 | <abrotman> | mix22891: which version of linux is this? |
| 08:08 | <abrotman> | irene: #debian-es |
| 08:08 | <mix22891> | don't know |
| 08:08 | <mix22891> | the last1 |
| 08:08 | <abrotman> | mix22891: in a console, please type "uname -r" and give us the results |
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| 08:10 | <mix22891> | i have sayed the last virsion! |
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| 08:10 | <mix22891> | so |
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| 08:10 | <abrotman> | mix22891: in a console, please type "uname -r" and give us the results |
| 08:10 | <azeem_> | mix22891: we're not interesting in doing support if the users are not able to provide basic informatoin |
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| 08:11 | <mix22891> | where is the console |
| 08:11 | <SecT> | I have a fresh Squeeze netinstall. Do I also need to use the Lenny update repositories, to stay well secured? |
| 08:12 | <abrotman> | mix22891: an xterm? gnome terminal? whatever you use |
| 08:12 | <azeem_> | mix22891: are you running gnome or kde? |
| 08:12 | <irene> | ola |
| 08:12 | <irene> | ai alguienn |
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| 08:12 | <rpetre> | !es |
| 08:12 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:12 | <abrotman> | !es |
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| 08:13 | <irene> | ola |
| 08:13 | <abrotman> | irene: /join #debian-es |
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| 08:14 | <mix22891> | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 08:15 | <azeem_> | mix22891: 13:51 < azeem_> what does "dpkg -l wine | tail -1" say? |
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| 08:18 | <mix22891> | how to remove the "home" folder from the desktop? |
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| 08:18 | <abrotman> | why would you want to? |
| 08:19 | <bremner> | I can sympathise with wanting to. |
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| 08:19 | <mix22891> | any help here??????????????????????????????????????????????/ |
| 08:19 | <mix22891> | any help here??????????????????????????????????????????????/ |
| 08:19 | <mix22891> | any help here??????????????????????????????????????????????/ |
| 08:19 | <rpetre> | 15:12 < azeem_> mix22891: are you running gnome or kde? |
| 08:20 | <bremner> | mix22891: I was going to help, but screw that |
| 08:20 | <mix22891> | gnome |
| 08:20 | <abrotman> | bremner: why? if you don't want that, don't start the program that does it |
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| 08:20 | * | abrotman finds the desktop icon stuff .. benign |
| 08:21 | <bremner> | abrotman: ok, but getting rid of it seems harmless also, no? like changing the colours of the desktop. |
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| 08:21 | <abrotman> | bremner: except that in gnome, stopping nautilus has other effects ? |
| 08:21 | <rpetre> | http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/desktop-guide/s1-ddg-lockdown-removing-desktop-icons.html |
| 08:22 | <abrotman> | or you can go the gconf route .. good luck! |
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| 08:22 | <rpetre> | see the above link for the gconf key (it was first hit on "nautilus desktop icons") |
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| 08:26 | <mix22891> | how do i run gconf |
| 08:26 | <mix22891> | ? |
| 08:26 | <cahoot> | gconf-editor |
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| 08:27 | <mix22891> | where is that? |
| 08:27 | <cahoot> | from a terminal |
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| 08:28 | <mix22891> | thanks rpetre and cahoot |
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| 08:29 | <boolean> | could someone pastebin their default lenny /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 08:29 | <boolean> | i have installed from install dvd |
| 08:30 | <boolean> | i now need to switch it to inet |
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| 08:30 | <cahoot> | !mirrors |
| 08:30 | <dpkg> | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 08:30 | <abrotman> | boolean: just add a source .. where are you geographically ? |
| 08:31 | <boolean> | norway |
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| 08:31 | <Duck1> | hello |
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| 08:32 | <abrotman> | boolean: so you can add "deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" to your sources.list .. add contrib/non-free if you want them .. don't forget to 'aptitude update' after changing it |
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| 08:32 | <user_> | hi |
| 08:33 | <boolean> | ok |
| 08:33 | <boolean> | thansk |
| 08:33 | <boolean> | s |
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| 08:33 | <Duck2> | hello, just trying IRC on my blackberry after power cut. |
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| 08:33 | <boolean> | is there also a aptitude cleanup command? and when should i run it? |
| 08:35 | <abrotman> | boolean: there's a 'cleanup' command ? |
| 08:35 | <aguitel> | boolean, apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean && apt-get autoremove |
| 08:35 | <abrotman> | boolean: there is 'aptitude clean' .. you can run that when you want |
| 08:35 | <abrotman> | aguitel: please use aptitude |
| 08:36 | <boolean> | and the aptitude clean is what i should run after upgrades etc to remove install files.. right? |
| 08:37 | <abrotman> | boolean: no, 'man aptitude' .. it will explain what it does |
| 08:37 | <boolean> | ok |
| 08:38 | <abrotman> | boolean: it sounds like you're new to debian anyway .. reading that man page will be helpful for you |
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| 08:39 | <boolean> | i am kind of new |
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| 08:39 | <boolean> | i guess you could call me new |
| 08:39 | <abrotman> | /nick new |
| 08:39 | <boolean> | hehe |
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| 08:40 | <boolean> | is there something else i should change after installing from dvd (not netinst) |
| 08:40 | <boolean> | ? |
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| 08:42 | <abrotman> | you can comment out the DVD source if you don't want to use it anymore |
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| 08:44 | <boolean> | yeah.. i meant something else |
| 08:45 | <mix22891> | i have run this command "apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean && apt-get autoremove" -and it removing packages.. |
| 08:45 | <mix22891> | wtf |
| 08:45 | <mix22891> | icons gos gone |
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| 08:46 | <mix22891> | WHAT happed? |
| 08:46 | <mix22891> | what this command do? |
| 08:47 | <locklace> | yay for running random commands without having a clue what they do |
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| 08:48 | <themill> | yet another reason why you should use aptitude... |
| 08:48 | <themill> | (besides the fact that autoclean is never going to do anything if clean has just been run... that command is just stupid on so many levels) |
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| 08:49 | <Archimed> | hi guys. I am trying to mount 5 debian dvds into 5 dvd-roms of VM. And after I have monted all of them I update sources.list adding lines like these: |
| 08:49 | <Archimed> | deb file:/media/cdrom0/ lenny contrib main |
| 08:49 | <Archimed> | deb file:/media/cdrom1/ lenny contrib main |
| 08:49 | <Archimed> | deb file:/media/cdrom2/ lenny contrib main |
| 08:49 | <Archimed> | deb file:/media/cdrom3/ lenny contrib main |
| 08:49 | -!- | Archimed was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
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| 08:49 | <themill> | dpkg: tell Archimed about paste |
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| 08:50 | <Archimed> | what's wrong with paste? |
| 08:50 | <boolean> | ok, in sources.list... deb is for binaries and deb-src is for sources to the binaries? like kernel source etc? |
| 08:51 | <Archimed> | and? I have adding binaries disks using "deb" keyword. What's wrong with it? |
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| 08:52 | <boolean> | Archimed: whats wrong with it is that you don't get updates |
| 08:52 | <themill> | Archimed: that syntax is entirely wrong. Use apt-cdrom to add cds and dvds |
| 08:53 | <mix22891> | do i need to install debian again?? |
| 08:53 | <themill> | mix22891: no, just the packages that you actually wanted that are now removed |
| 08:53 | <cryingthug> | mix2289: what happened? |
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| 08:55 | <Archimed> | themill: no, apt-cdrom does not fit my needs: it requires to insert the disk into /media/cdrom, while this dvd is already mounted into /media/cdrom3. I want to have ALL the dvds mounted and used by the apt-get without a requests to user. |
| 08:55 | <themill> | Archimed: it does not require that at all |
| 08:55 | <mix22891> | it remove about 30packages,and icons is gone |
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| 08:56 | <cryingthug> | mix22891: just reinstall a few things you want |
| 08:56 | <boolean> | is there a reason why I would want sources for the security source? |
| 08:56 | <themill> | mix22891: then "aptitude install list-of-packages". Or if it was all gnome stuff (say), "aptitude install gnome" |
| 08:58 | <Archimed> | themill: if I use "cdrom:" syntax in sources.list then when I try to install a package which located on disk3 apt-get will ask me to insert this disk into /media/cdrom, but I want that apt-get will find it under /media/cdrom3 |
| 08:59 | <themill> | Archimed: it can do that. See man apt-cdrom. |
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| 09:00 | <Archimed> | themill: thanks I will look into man once again. and anyway what's wrong with file syntax? |
| 09:00 | <themill> | Archimed: it's completely incorrect for cd/dvd sources |
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| 09:01 | <Archimed> | themill: what's difference between cd/dvd, if I mount them into FS? They should look for apt as a bunch of files as I have copied them from cd into folder, isn't it? |
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| 09:03 | <Onepamopa> | hi everyone, it's been a while... ;) |
| 09:03 | <mix22891> | hi |
| 09:03 | <SecT> | Aloha |
| 09:04 | <Onepamopa> | I see that some of my friends are missing... ;) |
| 09:04 | <Onepamopa> | anyone seen lupin around here? ;) |
| 09:05 | <SecT> | No I have not. |
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| 09:07 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 409] by debhelper |
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| 09:09 | <babilen> | Onepamopa: "/msg dpkg seen lupin" |
| 09:09 | <Onepamopa> | thanks ;) |
| 09:10 | <irene> | ola |
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| 09:10 | <abrotman> | irene: #debian-es |
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| 09:11 | <themill> | !ubuntu-es irene |
| 09:11 | <dpkg> | irene: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
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| 09:14 | <Archimed> | themill: apt-cdrom does not working. I have added all cdroms using commands like "apt-cdrom -d=/media/cdromX add", where X is a number from 0 to 4. Then I try "apt-get install krb-kdc" and get the message: |
| 09:14 | <Archimed> | Media change: please insert the disk labeled |
| 09:14 | <Archimed> | 'Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-3 20100131-19:16 in the drive '/cdrom/ and press enter |
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| 09:16 | <themill> | hmm.. that it's always looking at /cdrom/ implies you don't have a correctly configured fstab. |
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| 09:16 | <themill> | Why are you trying to do this with dvd images anyway? A local caching mirror would be far more efficient. |
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| 09:18 | <Archimed> | themill: I hope I can use it in future... Here is my fstab: |
| 09:18 | <Archimed> | # /etc/fstab: static file system information. |
| 09:18 | <Archimed> | # |
| 09:18 | <Archimed> | # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 09:18 | <Archimed> | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 09:18 | -!- | Archimed was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
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| 09:18 | <themill> | Archimed: seriously... stop pasting into the channel. |
| 09:18 | <boolean> | what is the most up to date bpo mirror? |
| 09:19 | <Archimed> | themill: Is my fstab posted? last line is about floppy... |
| 09:19 | <themill> | Archimed: no. Stop pasting in to the channel. Use a pastebin. |
| 09:20 | <Archimed> | themill: What is a pastebin? |
| 09:20 | <themill> | dpkg: tell Archimed about paste |
| 09:20 | <themill> | Archimed: the thing that you've been asked to use 3 times now and dpkg has told you about twice. |
| 09:21 | <cryingthug> | Archimed: paste.debian.net |
| 09:23 | <cryingthug> | Archimed: it is a wesite |
| 09:23 | <cryingthug> | website |
| 09:24 | <Archimed> | cryingthug: thanks, I see |
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| 09:24 | <Archimed> | cryingthug: trying to understand how to use it... |
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| 09:25 | <boolean> | should i also add deb-src to the pbo source? |
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| 09:26 | <Archimed> | themill: Hope I can use in future cashing, but for now I have to use dvds. Here is my fstab: http://paste.debian.net/62929 |
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| 09:28 | <mix22891> | how to cleanup temp? |
| 09:29 | <mix22891> | and thanks themill for the help! you save me time about install debian again. |
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| 09:29 | <cryingthug> | mix22891: format /tmp as ext2. It is a non-journalized fs |
| 09:29 | <abrotman> | huh ? |
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| 09:30 | <mix22891> | themill the packages is back |
| 09:31 | <mix22891> | how do i clean temp files? |
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| 09:32 | <boolean> | is there a reason why i should use lenny instead of stable in the sources.list ? |
| 09:33 | <valdyn> | boolean: stable could automatically upgrade when you dont want it at the next release |
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| 09:33 | <boolean> | that is what i thought was best |
| 09:34 | <boolean> | is there a reason why someone wouldn't want that? |
| 09:34 | <valdyn> | boolean: is there a reason why anyone would want to be surprised by an upgrade? |
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| 09:34 | <mix22891> | i can't stop raving.. |
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| 09:36 | <mix22891> | can anybudy tell me where is the game that i've install is located? it's an .EXE file for WINE. please help |
| 09:39 | <Archimed> | themill: ping? Is my fstab so bad? |
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| 09:45 | <Torsten_W> | mix22891, in ~/.wine/drive_c/program files/foo |
| 09:46 | <mix22891> | how do i find this folder? |
| 09:46 | <Torsten_W> | open your eyes |
| 09:46 | <mix22891> | ? |
| 09:46 | <Torsten_W> | you should learn some linux basics, before playing with win apps in linux |
| 09:47 | <Torsten_W> | why u install linux, if you want to use win apps? |
| 09:47 | <Torsten_W> | this makes not any sense |
| 09:47 | <mix22891> | to play some games that use .exe |
| 09:48 | <Archimed> | mix22891: open "home" folder and paste given path into path line without "foo" |
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| 09:49 | <Archimed> | mix22891: folders and files begging with dot (like ".wine") are hidden under linux |
| 09:51 | <Archimed> | looks like themill is busy with more important question than mine. Can anyone help me to understand why I getting errors verification errors when using apt-get? |
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| 09:54 | <Archimed2> | Description of my problem (starting from fstab) is here: http://paste.debian.net/62929 |
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| 09:55 | <Archimed2> | or much better here: http://paste.debian.net/62936 |
| 09:58 | <boolean> | is there a fan deamon that i can install with aptitude? my fans are running ful speed |
| 09:58 | <mix22891> | how do i open .rar file? |
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| 09:59 | <geckos> | how can I install jre ?? |
| 09:59 | <Archimed2> | mix22891: may be you shoul install unrar-free package? |
| 09:59 | <geckos> | I try aptitude install default-jre |
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| 10:02 | <geckos> | but not work |
| 10:02 | <Torsten_W> | geckos, there is no package default-jre |
| 10:02 | <Torsten_W> | aptitude search jre |
| 10:03 | <Archimed2> | geckos: may be you should try openjdk-6-jre ? |
| 10:03 | <geckos> | i default-jre - Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime |
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| 10:04 | <mix22891> | thanks Archimed2 |
| 10:04 | <seek3r> | May i get some help with getting my wireless device to show up and actually be able to use it? |
| 10:04 | <geckos> | Archimed2: installing |
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| 10:05 | <Torsten_W> | default-jre has openjdk-6-jre as depend, so it should be installed |
| 10:05 | <gsimmons> | seek3r: What specific device (brand, model) do you have? |
| 10:07 | <hakanbey> | hi . i installed debian (debian lenny) now. A notification is shown me that says "your system had a kernel failure" and after a lot of applications aren't opened (that's mean; when i click their icons it isn't work). What is a problem and how i can fix it? |
| 10:07 | <Archimed2> | Does anybody know how to force apt-get to use 5 mounted dvds into different locations? Have tried to use file:/ in sources.list, but getting auth errors later. Details http://paste.debian.net/62936/ |
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| 10:09 | <geckos> | Torsten_W: weird.. because I'm installing right now.. after install default-jre |
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| 10:10 | <geckos> | installing it * |
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| 10:12 | <Araneidae> | I have an odd CUPS issue: when I print (from within alpine) piping to lpr, I always get an extra page printed, with just the line "request id is <printer>-<jobno> (<n> file(s))" |
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| 10:12 | <Araneidae> | Any thoughts where this might be coming from? |
| 10:12 | <hakanbey> | it was happened 30 second ago again . and i tried to run iceweasel and epiphany again but they weren't run. |
| 10:12 | <hakanbey> | i was restart the computer |
| 10:12 | <mix22891> | i |
| 10:13 | <abrotman> | hakanbey: what if you run them from the console ? |
| 10:13 | <Archimed2> | Can someone explain me what "Ign file: lenny Release.gpg" means? |
| 10:14 | <geckos> | Araneidae: alpine bug" |
| 10:14 | <hakanbey> | console aren't run, too :( |
| 10:14 | <geckos> | ? * |
| 10:14 | <Araneidae> | geckos, sounds plausible to me |
| 10:14 | <hakanbey> | i should restart |
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| 10:14 | <Araneidae> | Alright, a completely different cups question: how on earth do I force monochrome printing? |
| 10:14 | <mix22891> | tousen of happy people dancing in the street |
| 10:15 | <hakanbey> | and if i lucky i succes open xchat and console before kernel failure :(( |
| 10:15 | <Archimed2> | Araneide: have you checked http://localhost:631 ? |
| 10:15 | <geckos> | Archimed2: isn't about public key ? |
| 10:15 | <Araneidae> | My printer is busily tallying up prints on every blasted colour drum, whatever I print |
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| 10:15 | <Araneidae> | Archimed2, the cups server? Of course! |
| 10:15 | <geckos> | Araneidae: did you try to configure it by browser? |
| 10:16 | <Araneidae> | Yes, I mostly configure cups through its web interface |
| 10:16 | <Araneidae> | Can't really face tangling with the configuration files unless I'm forced to |
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| 10:17 | <Archimed2> | Does anybody know how to force apt-get to use 5 mounted dvds into different locations? Have tried to use "file:/" in sources.list, but getting auth errors later. Details at |
| 10:17 | <Archimed2> | http://paste.debian.net/62936/ |
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| 10:17 | <Araneidae> | It does have a JCL Color Mode option, which I haven't tried setting ... but presumably that would be global in effect |
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| 10:18 | <Archimed2> | geckos: I don't think it is about public key... |
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| 10:21 | <boolean> | how do I install the nvidia drivers in the pbo kernel? |
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| 10:25 | <cahoot> | boolean: I think module-aisstant is the recommended way |
| 10:25 | <cahoot> | well method |
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| 10:25 | <cahoot> | ...and module-assistant |
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| 10:26 | <boolean> | :p |
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| 10:32 | <ryan_> | whats the package that holds the common console utils? |
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| 10:32 | <So> | selam |
| 10:32 | <boolean> | when running m-a prepare i get linux-kbuild-2.6.32 is not installable |
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| 10:33 | <petemc> | ryan_: which? |
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| 10:33 | <So> | help |
| 10:34 | <ryan_> | I only installed the netinstall with out the net, so I only have the basic setup. it didn't even have "less" till I installed it |
| 10:34 | <hakanbey> | i guess find the problem. problem is external usb wireless. when i connect the my external usb wireless . it says me kernel failure . How can i fix???? |
| 10:35 | <petemc> | ryan_: you would have had more tho, part of the util-linux package |
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| 10:35 | <hakanbey> | external usb wireless mean is : wireless usb adapter |
| 10:35 | <So> | hakanbey selam |
| 10:35 | <hakanbey> | selam :))) |
| 10:36 | <So> | :) |
| 10:36 | <aguitel> | boolean, use this to install nvidia,http://www.linux-os.com.ar/linuxos/como-instalar-los-drivers-nvidia-en-debian-squeeze/ |
| 10:36 | <So> | Bir Türk yakaladým :)) |
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| 10:36 | <boolean> | i'll have a look |
| 10:36 | <hakanbey> | Türkçe bişeyler duymak nasıl sevindirdi beni de :DD |
| 10:36 | <boolean> | thanks |
| 10:36 | <So> | :D |
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| 10:36 | <k00kla> | оло |
| 10:37 | <hakanbey> | gurbette bit Türkle karşılaşmış gibi oldum :) |
| 10:37 | <So> | aynen :p |
| 10:37 | <hakanbey> | isminiz neydi? |
| 10:37 | <So> | derdimi anlatcak kimSe yok :) |
| 10:37 | <So> | cem :)) |
| 10:37 | <hakanbey> | öyle hakkaten |
| 10:37 | <So> | siz anLýyormuSUnuz :) |
| 10:38 | <aguitel> | only english |
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| 10:38 | <So> | bu debian kurulumundan |
| 10:38 | <So> | :) |
| 10:38 | <hakanbey> | benim ki de hakan. cidden memnun oldum :) yeni bi kullanıcıyım ama baya bi hata atlattım başımdan geçenlerden biri ise yardımcı olurum. Only english?? |
| 10:38 | <locklace> | !tr |
| 10:38 | <dpkg> | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 10:39 | <So> | ne diyor bunlar hakanbey :) |
| 10:39 | <hakanbey> | türkçe kanala geçin diyolar . ok locklace |
| 10:39 | <So> | anlamýyotum :) |
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| 10:40 | <So> | Why Turkish ban here * |
| 10:41 | <So> | this is a public channel |
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| 10:41 | <Araneidae> | But it's going to be off topic in that nobody else can understand |
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| 10:42 | <bremner> | !ot So |
| 10:43 | <bremner> | the bot was supposed to explain why offtopic discussion should move to #debian-offtopic. |
| 10:43 | <overmind> | !offtopic |
| 10:43 | <dpkg> | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 10:43 | <overmind> | bremner: !offtopic instead of !ot :P |
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| 10:44 | <Araneidae> | Why is there a picture of a turkish keyboard in !tr ? |
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| 10:44 | <geckos> | default-jre and open-jrk-6.. do not work >: |
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| 10:44 | <geckos> | I will try java sites |
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| 10:45 | <hakanbey> | abrotman would you mind if asked? |
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| 10:46 | <kerin> | so i'm trying to install debian stretch off the 256mb usb image. i zcat'd the archive onto my device and then added the businesscard install image to it, but the installer (graphical or not) claims that there is no ISO. |
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| 10:48 | <hakanbey> | when i connected the my usb adapter . a notifiation says me "you had a kernel failure" . How can i fix it???? |
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| 10:48 | <Farpoint_NL> | hi, need some help with php |
| 10:48 | <locklace> | !tell hakanbey about errors |
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| 10:49 | <locklace> | kerin: one of many reasons the recommended squeeze install procedure is to install lenny and then upgrade |
| 10:49 | <TurkuaZ> | hakanbey çekirdeklerinmi bozuk :) |
| 10:50 | <kerin> | locklace: ah, i didn't see anything about that. thanks. |
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| 10:50 | <locklace> | dpkg: tell kerin about lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:50 | <Farpoint_NL> | does anyone know how to install php 5.2.9 instead of 5.3? |
| 10:50 | <hakanbey> | when i connected the my usb adapter . a notifiation says me "you had a kernel failure" . and after that lots of applications aren't run |
| 10:51 | <aguitel> | the network icon status are wrong ,anyone know this? |
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| 10:51 | <hakanbey> | i click their icons , they try to run but anything is happen |
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| 10:52 | <Noturno99> | hi, why can't I manager my network with ifconfig command? |
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| 10:53 | <aguitel> | Noturno99, need root user |
| 10:54 | <Noturno99> | hum |
| 10:54 | <Noturno99> | ow, thanks |
| 10:55 | <Noturno99> | all the time I used it with normal user |
| 10:55 | <aguitel> | me too |
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| 10:56 | <Noturno99> | i didn't know that commando in debian, is only root |
| 10:56 | <aguitel> | wicd |
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| 10:58 | <hakanbey> | locklace i told my problem ? |
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| 11:01 | <musca> | hakanbey: what kind of usb adapter is it? |
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| 11:01 | <irene_lawapa> | ola |
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| 11:03 | <babilen> | !es-social |
| 11:03 | <dpkg> | Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 11:06 | <Noturno99> | thanks guys |
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| 11:09 | <kerin> | yeah, i'm using a stable boot image/installer ISO and it's still not detecting the ISO. it's also not finding any of the hojillion ISOs on my hard drives. what gives? |
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| 11:11 | <irene_lawapa> | olaa |
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| 11:15 | <Grandad> | de=u^%&x,cw=Z]Q>O(PkO0S/Af |
| 11:15 | <locklace> | !ops Grandad |
| 11:15 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: Grandad |
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| 11:17 | <hakanbey> | musca : it is a LINKSYS wireless usb adapter. you connect it computer on the usb port. And it see wireless networks |
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| 11:18 | <hakanbey> | musca : and you can connect a network via this usb adapter. |
| 11:19 | <musca> | yes, wlan can be a mystery |
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| 11:45 | <clocker> | anyone else having issues connecting to AIM and ICQ via Pidgin? I'm using 2.6.5 |
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| 11:46 | <clocker> | It's been going on a while. It says I'm connecting too fast. I let it be then come back later and the same thing. Weeks and weeks now |
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| 11:46 | <astronut> | clocker: go into advanced prefs on the account and uncheck "use client login" |
| 11:47 | <clocker> | thanks |
| 11:48 | <clocker> | bingo |
| 11:48 | <clocker> | I've had so little trouble migrating to Debian from rpm systems that it seemed silly to have to ask |
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| 11:49 | <astronut> | clocker: i hit the problem recently - there was a debian patch to go against the protocol because AOL had some problem w/ their servers not following the protocol |
| 11:49 | <astronut> | when they fixed their serves, it then caused it to fail |
| 11:49 | <astronut> | it's a very recent issue |
| 11:49 | * | astronut found out from #pidgin |
| 11:50 | <clocker> | doh... never even thought to check #pidgin |
| 11:50 | <kerin> | astronut, it's been affecting me for at least two months |
| 11:50 | <astronut> | well, you got the answer here, so no worries |
| 11:51 | <kerin> | not sure that's recent ;] |
| 11:51 | <astronut> | well, in debian-time... |
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| 11:51 | <astronut> | looks like there's not actually an active bug for it |
| 11:52 | <kerin> | "debian-time" |
| 11:52 | <kerin> | ahaha |
| 11:53 | <astronut> | clocker / kerin: what versions do you have? |
| 11:53 | <clocker> | 2.6.5 |
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| 11:54 | <clocker> | I don't think that's current. Had to go backward to get it to work at all initially |
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| 11:54 | <astronut> | ya |
| 11:54 | <astronut> | 2.6.6-2 is current |
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| 11:56 | <astronut> | clocker: the issue should be fixxed in 2.6.6-2 according to the changelog |
| 11:56 | <tsaad> | Hi |
| 11:56 | <astronut> | clocker: yep, 2.6.6-2 works fine for me in client login mode |
| 11:57 | <clocker> | astronut, now I just have to figure out how to get back up to current status. |
| 11:57 | <astronut> | use the package manager and just do an upgrade |
| 11:57 | <astronut> | well |
| 11:57 | <astronut> | which branch are you running? |
| 11:58 | <astronut> | it hasn't migrated to testing yet |
| 11:58 | <clocker> | Lenny |
| 11:58 | <clocker> | I do regular updates, but usually using apt-get |
| 11:58 | <astronut> | hmm, interesting.... you using lenny backports? |
| 11:59 | <clocker> | ya |
| 11:59 | <astronut> | ah |
| 11:59 | <astronut> | ya, the new version isn't there yet |
| 11:59 | <clocker> | I should just remove the backports from the source list? |
| 11:59 | <astronut> | well, no |
| 11:59 | <tsaad> | apt-get rocks |
| 11:59 | <astronut> | that'll push you back further |
| 12:00 | <astronut> | you'll just have to wait till it hits backports |
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| 12:02 | <clocker> | k |
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| 12:02 | <astronut> | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pidgin |
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| 12:14 | <kerin> | ugh, empathy is such an awful IM client |
| 12:14 | <youngman> | I see that the GRUB developers no longer support the version of GRUB in Lenny. Is there a backport of a more recent version? I see that sid has 1.98 |
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| 12:17 | <karme> | youngman: grub2 |
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| 12:18 | <beer> | of the debian support kennys grub is that not good enough? |
| 12:19 | <youngman> | karme, I'm pretty sure grub-pc (1.96 in Lenny) *is* grub2 |
| 12:19 | <beer> | youngman: do you know debian backport? |
| 12:20 | <youngman> | beer, Yes. But backports contains only 1.97~beta3, which the GRUB team also do not support. |
| 12:20 | <AlVaRiToOo> | olaaaaaaaaaa |
| 12:20 | <youngman> | They say "We don't support versions prior to 1.97~beta4 in any way." |
| 12:20 | <karme> | youngman: yes - i probably misunderstood you / didn't read enough |
| 12:21 | <kerin> | . |
| 12:21 | <AlVaRiToOo> | stupid girl |
| 12:24 | <babilen> | AlVaRiToOo: Do you have a Debian related question? |
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| 12:24 | <AlVaRiToOo> | yes |
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| 12:26 | <babilen> | AlVaRiToOo: Do *not* /msg people - ask in the channel |
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| 12:27 | <AlVaRiToOo> | ok I´got msn and tou |
| 12:27 | <themill> | !ubuntu-es AlVaRiToOo |
| 12:27 | <dpkg> | AlVaRiToOo: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
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| 12:28 | <AlVaRiToOo> | no gracias |
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| 12:33 | <Inil> | Hi all, i have "network connection problem with java apps..on debian testing" ,that's solve with http://tinyurl.com/ya7cze5 |
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| 12:34 | <Inil> | but i have this problem with java on iceweasel ,can't connect server on webchat /can't login ,any idea? |
| 12:35 | <themill> | !java ipv6 |
| 12:35 | <dpkg> | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html. This currently breaks networking in java, see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. |
| 12:36 | <babilen> | AlVaRiToOo: I already told you - stop /msg people in this channel. Go play somewhere else. |
| 12:36 | <Inil> | i have "Error: getSocketProxy().disconnect is not a function" on error console firefox... |
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| 12:38 | <Inil> | themill: it's run one java app! your-freedom client! |
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| 12:39 | <themill> | Inil: that's the only problem with java on squeeze that I know of. |
| 12:40 | <Inil> | themill: thx. |
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| 12:58 | <z3rograv1ty> | hi |
| 12:58 | <z3rograv1ty> | anybody around here ? |
| 12:58 | <babilen> | no |
| 12:58 | <z3rograv1ty> | i have a prob w/ my old pc trying to install lenny on it |
| 12:58 | <z3rograv1ty> | ouch |
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| 12:59 | <z3rograv1ty> | is there any helpful utils around debug shell? i can troubleshoot my NIC? |
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| 13:01 | <locklace> | !tell z3rograv1ty about en |
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| 13:05 | <z3rograv1ty> | is there any helpful tasks around debian installer debug shell i can troubleshoot my NIC? |
| 13:06 | <locklace> | do you even see it show up on ifconfig -a or dmesg |
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| 13:06 | <z3rograv1ty> | debian installer debug shell has no ifconfig |
| 13:06 | <babilen> | z3rograv1ty: What problems do you have with your NIC? Which NIC is it? It might be that you'll need a newer kernel. "/msg dpkg kmuto" for details |
| 13:06 | <z3rograv1ty> | anybody not a bot? |
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| 13:07 | <monica> | OLaa! |
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| 13:07 | <monica> | Hola! |
| 13:07 | <babilen> | !es-social |
| 13:07 | <dpkg> | Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 13:08 | <monica> | ola¡¡ |
| 13:08 | <monica> | hello¡¡ |
| 13:08 | <monica> | h |
| 13:08 | <monica> | e |
| 13:08 | <rik_> | z3rograv1ty: does the debug shell have the "ip" command? |
| 13:08 | <monica> | yes |
| 13:09 | <z3rograv1ty> | it has |
| 13:09 | <z3rograv1ty> | it has the |
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| 13:09 | <monica> | xDD |
| 13:09 | <z3rograv1ty> | ip command |
| 13:09 | <monica> | yes |
| 13:09 | <monica> | hahahah!! |
| 13:09 | <rik_> | does your interface show in the "ip link show" command? |
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| 13:09 | <z3rograv1ty> | yes |
| 13:09 | <babilen> | !tell monica -about ubuntu-es |
| 13:10 | <z3rograv1ty> | let me reiterate my prob |
| 13:10 | <z3rograv1ty> | so i can at least put it to details |
| 13:10 | <z3rograv1ty> | the installer can configure my NIC (IP, DNS,gateway) |
| 13:10 | <z3rograv1ty> | but i can't seem to connect to the mirrors |
| 13:10 | <z3rograv1ty> | nor proceed installation thru SSH |
| 13:11 | <z3rograv1ty> | my laptop now is currently on the same network as that PC |
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| 13:11 | <rik_> | can you ping the pc? |
| 13:11 | <z3rograv1ty> | nope |
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| 13:12 | <z3rograv1ty> | but i checked the driver support from debian |
| 13:12 | <rik_> | if you look at 'ip addr show' on the pc, is there an ip address configured? |
| 13:12 | <z3rograv1ty> | it supports my PCs NIC which is an OLICOM NIC |
| 13:12 | <z3rograv1ty> | i did 'lsmod' and i loads the tlan module for it |
| 13:13 | <z3rograv1ty> | there is an ip from 'ip addr show' |
| 13:13 | <rik_> | can you ping your laptop from the pc? |
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| 13:14 | <z3rograv1ty> | debian installer has no ping utility |
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| 13:14 | <z3rograv1ty> | i also checked the debian errata |
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| 13:15 | <rik_> | which debian release are you trying to install? |
| 13:15 | <z3rograv1ty> | and follow 'Buggy routers may cause network problems' section |
| 13:15 | <z3rograv1ty> | but still no go |
| 13:15 | <z3rograv1ty> | i also tried to connect the laptop and PC thru a hub |
| 13:15 | <z3rograv1ty> | still can't ping |
| 13:16 | <rik_> | is the ip address assigned to your pc a valid ip in the network? |
| 13:16 | <z3rograv1ty> | debian lenny stable |
| 13:16 | <z3rograv1ty> | valid ip |
| 13:16 | <z3rograv1ty> | 192.168.1.x/24 |
| 13:17 | <z3rograv1ty> | btw my PC is an old Emachine |
| 13:17 | <rik_> | what's the output of "dmesg | grep eth" |
| 13:17 | <z3rograv1ty> | Emachine 667ix |
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| 13:18 | <z3rograv1ty> | TLAN: eth0 irc=10, io=3000 Olicom OC-2325, Rev. 1 |
| 13:18 | <z3rograv1ty> | Tlan: eth0 Link Forced |
| 13:18 | <z3rograv1ty> | Tlan: eth0 Link Forced |
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| 13:19 | <rik_> | I see the tlan module has parameters to set the speed and duplex settings. Did you specify any of these settings? |
| 13:20 | <rik_> | Try setting the speed and duplex setting |
| 13:20 | <z3rograv1ty> | nope |
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| 13:21 | <z3rograv1ty> | dmesg | grep duplex is empty |
| 13:21 | <z3rograv1ty> | is that normal? |
| 13:21 | <rik_> | yes, my laptop never says anything about duplex either |
| 13:21 | <rik_> | is "ethtool" installed in d-i? |
| 13:22 | <rik_> | if so, run ethtool eth0 |
| 13:22 | <z3rograv1ty> | nope |
| 13:22 | <z3rograv1ty> | not installed |
| 13:23 | <rik_> | and mii-tool ? |
| 13:23 | <z3rograv1ty> | not either |
| 13:23 | <sney> | I too had difficulties using a tlan NIC pretty recently, I worry that support for them is broken due to nobody having them anymore |
| 13:24 | <sney> | it's a pretty old chip. |
| 13:24 | <rik_> | could be. The "link forced" seems strange to me |
| 13:24 | <sney> | z3rograv1ty, do you have another NIC you can try? |
| 13:24 | <z3rograv1ty> | i really have no idea what the 'linked forced' means |
| 13:24 | <rik_> | I would try to unload the driver and then reload then with the duplex and speed parameters |
| 13:24 | <z3rograv1ty> | unfortunately i don't have another nic |
| 13:24 | <z3rograv1ty> | this OLICOM CARD is an add-on card |
| 13:25 | <z3rograv1ty> | my other PC here has build-in NIC |
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| 13:26 | <z3rograv1ty> | I would try to unload the driver and then reload then with the duplex and speed parameters <-- how do i do this? |
| 13:26 | <z3rograv1ty> | sorry am still new to debian |
| 13:26 | <rik_> | modprobe -r tlan |
| 13:26 | <z3rograv1ty> | or linux |
| 13:26 | <rik_> | to unload the driver |
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| 13:26 | <rik_> | and then "modprobe tlan duplex=2 speed=100" to force full duplex 100mbit |
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| 13:27 | <rik_> | and you could try to add "debug=1" to the modprobe tlan command |
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| 13:29 | <z3rograv1ty> | okay |
| 13:29 | <z3rograv1ty> | i did that |
| 13:29 | <z3rograv1ty> | and the NIC's LED went off |
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| 13:29 | <rik_> | you typed both commands? |
| 13:29 | <z3rograv1ty> | i did "modprobe tlan duplex=2 speed=100" |
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| 13:30 | <z3rograv1ty> | yup both commands |
| 13:30 | <z3rograv1ty> | and the NIC still not up |
| 13:30 | <rik_> | type dmesg and look at the last few lines to see |
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| 13:32 | <z3rograv1ty> | i have severals line of registers |
| 13:33 | <z3rograv1ty> | and lines with 'TLAN: Device eth0, Unmanaged PHY |
| 13:33 | <jhutchins_lt> | z3rograv1ty: The nic won't actually come up if you successfully load the driver, but it should appear as a device (eth0). |
| 13:33 | <z3rograv1ty> | w8 |
| 13:34 | <z3rograv1ty> | i exited debug shell |
| 13:34 | <z3rograv1ty> | and brought the device up from the installer |
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| 13:34 | <z3rograv1ty> | launch the 'detect network hardware' |
| 13:34 | <z3rograv1ty> | then configured the IP,mask,DNS, and gateway |
| 13:35 | <z3rograv1ty> | then i test the mirrors |
| 13:35 | <z3rograv1ty> | still no go |
| 13:35 | <z3rograv1ty> | then i went back to debug shell |
| 13:35 | <z3rograv1ty> | and did dmesg |
| 13:35 | <z3rograv1ty> | i apologize to rik_ i went off from his instructions |
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| 13:37 | <rik_> | z3rograv1ty: no problem |
| 13:37 | <z3rograv1ty> | i went back to rik_'s instructions |
| 13:37 | <z3rograv1ty> | reload the drivers |
| 13:37 | <rik_> | after reloading the driver you'll have to configure an ip address on the interface |
| 13:37 | <z3rograv1ty> | then load the modules with 'modprobe tlan speed=100 duplex=2 debug=1 |
| 13:38 | <z3rograv1ty> | did dmesg |
| 13:38 | <z3rograv1ty> | still same output |
| 13:38 | <z3rograv1ty> | still with TLAN: DEVICE eth0, Unmanaged PHY |
| 13:38 | <rik_> | what does ip link show eth0 |
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| 13:39 | <rik_> | does it say UP or NO-CARIER ? |
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| 13:40 | <z3rograv1ty> | i don't see UP or NO-CARRIER |
| 13:40 | <z3rograv1ty> | it shows |
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| 13:41 | <rik_> | run "ip link set eth0 up" |
| 13:41 | <z3rograv1ty> | eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop qlen 1000 link/ether 00:00:24:24:67:c3 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff |
| 13:41 | <rik_> | wait a few seconds and run "ip link show" |
| 13:41 | <rik_> | it should then show "UP" for eth0 |
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| 13:41 | <rik_> | and the light should come on |
| 13:41 | <z3rograv1ty> | okay i get an UP |
| 13:42 | <rik_> | good |
| 13:42 | <rik_> | now we can configure an IP address |
| 13:42 | <z3rograv1ty> | etho <BROADCAST, MULTICAST,UP,10000> |
| 13:42 | <rik_> | is the light on ? |
| 13:42 | <z3rograv1ty> | yep |
| 13:42 | <rik_> | run "dmesg" and see if you get an eth0: link up message |
| 13:42 | <rik_> | let me lookup the correct command to set an ip using the ip command |
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| 13:43 | <z3rograv1ty> | i don't have UP from dmesg |
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| 13:43 | <z3rograv1ty> | i get TLAN: eth0: Link forced |
| 13:43 | <rik_> | hmm we |
| 13:43 | <rik_> | we'll configure an ip and hope it works |
| 13:43 | <rik_> | just a moment |
| 13:43 | <z3rograv1ty> | okay tnx |
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| 13:48 | <rik_> | ip addr add dev eth0 local 192.168.1.1/24 (replace IP address with a free ip) |
| 13:48 | <rik_> | sorry should be |
| 13:48 | <z3rograv1ty> | okay |
| 13:48 | <rik_> | ip addr add local 192.168.1.1/24 dev eth0 |
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| 13:49 | <rik_> | you can then configure the default gateway: |
| 13:49 | <z3rograv1ty> | already assigned ip |
| 13:50 | <rik_> | ah ok |
| 13:50 | <z3rograv1ty> | i did ip link show eth0 |
| 13:50 | <z3rograv1ty> | and then still same output |
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| 13:50 | <rik_> | type "ip addr show" to see addresses |
| 13:50 | <gerryok> | ip addr show |
| 13:51 | <z3rograv1ty> | okay |
| 13:51 | <z3rograv1ty> | how do i assign gateway? |
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| 13:52 | <rik_> | route add default gw 192.168.1.254 |
| 13:52 | <rik_> | but use the correct address for your situation |
| 13:53 | <z3rograv1ty> | okay |
| 13:53 | <z3rograv1ty> | already did that |
| 13:53 | <z3rograv1ty> | i can test with wget ?? |
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| 13:54 | <z3rograv1ty> | or is anything else i have to set prior to using wget? |
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| 13:54 | <rik_> | yes or try to ping your pc from your laptop |
| 13:55 | <z3rograv1ty> | i ping from laptop to PC |
| 13:55 | <z3rograv1ty> | i did get destination unreachable |
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| 13:55 | <rik_> | then the link isn't up :-( |
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| 13:55 | <z3rograv1ty> | i did wget http://192.168.1.90 from PC and i got connection refused |
| 13:56 | <locklace> | !connection refused |
| 13:56 | <dpkg> | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 13:56 | <z3rograv1ty> | same with wget://127.0.0.1, connection refused |
| 13:56 | <rik_> | and is that ip running a web server |
| 13:56 | <z3rograv1ty> | so my PC NIC is up right? |
| 13:57 | <z3rograv1ty> | not a webserver, but just the IP of the PC |
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| 13:57 | <rik_> | if you can't ping it from your laptop, and both are in the same network I would say no since debian-installer doesn't configure a firewall |
| 13:57 | <z3rograv1ty> | i read somewhere i can use wget to use like ping |
| 13:57 | <rik_> | try wget http://134.58.56.170 |
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| 13:58 | <rik_> | it's a web server on the internet |
| 13:58 | <z3rograv1ty> | i get No route to host |
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| 13:59 | <rik_> | I think you link is still not up ... |
| 13:59 | <z3rograv1ty> | btw i read from debian installer FAQ |
| 13:59 | <z3rograv1ty> | host exists (IP address resolved), but cannot be reached: 'No route to host' |
| 14:00 | <z3rograv1ty> | since host is an IP already |
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| 14:00 | <rik_> | yes, it says it's not reachable |
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| 14:00 | <locklace> | z3rograv1ty: you might as well at least try a backport installer image. there's a chance the driver's been fixed in the newer kernel. http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:00 | <z3rograv1ty> | so my NIC is still not UP? |
| 14:00 | <rik_> | i would say no |
| 14:01 | <rik_> | I have to go now, bye |
| 14:01 | <z3rograv1ty> | okay |
| 14:01 | <z3rograv1ty> | tnx for your time |
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| 14:03 | <aguitel> | anyone use squeeze? |
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| 14:04 | <sney> | !anyone |
| 14:04 | <dpkg> | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 14:04 | <aguitel> | what is this kernel :2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 14:05 | <sney> | it's the default squeeze kernel currently |
| 14:05 | <z3rograv1ty> | what is eth0, Unmanaged PHY |
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| 14:06 | <z3rograv1ty> | what is Unmanaged PHT |
| 14:06 | <sney> | it's just information about your NIC's hardware, the unmanaged phy isn't causing your problem |
| 14:06 | <aguitel> | sney, i have 2.6.32-686 too |
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| 14:07 | <sney> | aguitel: do you also have sid sources? |
| 14:07 | <aguitel> | sney, i had but i delete the line in source,list |
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| 14:08 | <aguitel> | sney, why? |
| 14:08 | <sney> | there are other 2.6.32 kernels available in sid |
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| 14:09 | <sney> | if you installed one of them, it would stay even if you removed sid from sources.list |
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| 14:10 | <aguitel> | sney, i follow this guide to install nvidia driver :/msg dpkg nvidia squeeze and it install sid in the sources.list |
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| 14:12 | <sney> | yes, that's how that works because the nvidia driver in testing is broken. what issue are you having exactly? |
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| 14:13 | <aguitel> | sney, i installed nvidia driver from another guide and what supose to do with this kernel? |
| 14:14 | <sney> | with which kernel? |
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| 14:14 | <aguitel> | sney, trunk |
| 14:14 | <sney> | you're supposed to use it |
| 14:15 | <aguitel> | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 14:15 | <sney> | if you have some other kernel that you got from somewhere else that's not supported here |
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| 14:18 | <fredz> | Is there a utility that will allow me to copy an entire server to another server including installed applications and services? |
| 14:19 | <sney> | there's clonezilla |
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| 14:24 | <mari> | hola |
| 14:25 | <mari> | hello |
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| 14:25 | <mari> | hola a todos |
| 14:26 | <mari> | bonjog |
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| 14:26 | <mari> | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 14:26 | <azeem_> | !es |
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| 14:26 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:26 | <locklace> | !es-social mari |
| 14:26 | <dpkg> | mari: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 14:27 | <mari> | ok |
| 14:27 | <mari> | hello |
| 14:28 | <mari> | hola |
| 14:28 | <mari> | hello |
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| 14:29 | <babilen> | mari: Read what you've just been told. ^^^^ |
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| 14:29 | <mari> | ?? |
| 14:29 | <sney> | it's amazing that you can be illiterate in IRC, but these españoles estúpidos seem to have it mastered |
| 14:30 | <sney> | escribir y lo leer |
| 14:30 | <mari> | tu ser gilipoyas |
| 14:30 | <mari> | quieres que te lo repita? |
| 14:30 | <OdyX> | !es |
| 14:30 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:31 | <OdyX> | mari: don't be insultant. |
| 14:31 | <mari> | ni tu ami ok |
| 14:31 | <sney> | analfabeto |
| 14:31 | <mari> | los mismo te digo |
| 14:32 | <mari> | oye tu de donde eres? |
| 14:32 | <babilen> | mari: Stop it please |
| 14:32 | <mari> | ok |
| 14:32 | <babilen> | !tell mari -about ubuntu-es |
| 14:32 | <mari> | ?? |
| 14:33 | <babilen> | !ubuntu-es |
| 14:33 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
| 14:33 | <babilen> | mari: ^^^^ |
| 14:33 | <sney> | maybe "soporte tecnico" and "no es social" are too hard concepts |
| 14:33 | <sney> | for all we know we could be dealing with a 12-year-old |
| 14:33 | <babilen> | hehe |
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| 14:33 | <mari> | yo tengo 11 años |
| 14:34 | <sney> | dios mio |
| 14:34 | <mari> | normal que no os entienda |
| 14:34 | <babilen> | or 11-year-olds :) |
| 14:34 | <mari> | ?? |
| 14:34 | <babilen> | But let's stop it. Totally off-topic |
| 14:34 | <mari> | ?? |
| 14:35 | <mari> | que pasa? |
| 14:35 | <babilen> | mari: stop it |
| 14:35 | <mari> | que pare que? |
| 14:35 | <sney> | que pasa es este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores |
| 14:36 | <sney> | necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador? no? entonces vaya a otro lugar |
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| 14:36 | <mari> | ok chao |
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| 14:36 | <sney> | wow |
| 14:36 | <sney> | I... I can't believe that worked |
| 14:37 | <babilen> | that took quite some time. We really need some patches against every IRC client in Ubuntu that changes the default IRC channel. |
| 14:37 | <babilen> | sney: Good that you speak spanish :) |
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| 14:38 | <sney> | is it really the client? I downloaded ubuntu's xchat deb a few months back and there was nothing in the shipped xchat.conf to make it come here |
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| 14:38 | <sney> | it had the debian servers as an option but just shows the server list like debian's does when you run it for the first time |
| 14:39 | * | babilen shrugs |
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| 14:40 | <hellyeah> | hey |
| 14:40 | <sney> | hi |
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| 14:42 | <hellyeah> | how chow can i fix this error http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16069 m-a clean doesnt work |
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| 14:44 | <sney> | !nvidia squeeze |
| 14:44 | <dpkg> | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
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| 14:49 | <aguitel> | /msg judd kernels |
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| 14:58 | <z3rograv1ty> | !tlan lenny |
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| 15:08 | <z3rograv1ty> | !help |
| 15:08 | <locklace> | did you try the backport installer image yet or not |
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| 15:54 | <karme> | c |
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| 15:56 | <kerin> | my lenny install seems to hang on "waiting for headers" when i update |
| 15:56 | <kerin> | any tips? |
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| 15:57 | <cesurasean> | I'm having trouble getting an ethernet card working. |
| 15:57 | <cesurasean> | doesn't seem to want to ping. :( |
| 15:57 | <zem> | what does it say? |
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| 15:58 | <cesurasean> | i can ping the ip address from the box itself, but not any other boxes. |
| 15:58 | <cesurasean> | yet, it's able to ping other boxes fine. |
| 15:58 | <cesurasean> | From 172.16.1.100 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 15:59 | <kerin> | could be an iptables thing |
| 15:59 | <zem> | sounds like route problem to me |
| 15:59 | <cesurasean> | i removed iptables. |
| 15:59 | <cesurasean> | zem, how do i check the route? |
| 15:59 | <zem> | ip ro sh |
| 16:00 | <zem> | shows the routes |
| 16:01 | <cesurasean> | looks fine to me |
| 16:01 | <zem> | what is at 172.16.1.100? |
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| 16:02 | <cesurasean> | a box? |
| 16:02 | <zem> | check routes on that box? |
| 16:02 | <cesurasean> | 172.16.1.99 is the one having problems. it can ping itself, and ping 172.16.1.100 |
| 16:02 | <cesurasean> | 172.16.1.100 can ping every other box, except .99. |
| 16:02 | <cesurasean> | the routes look fine |
| 16:03 | <cesurasean> | there must be some kind of firewall installed or something. how do i make sure the link is active? |
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| 16:03 | <cesurasean> | i mean, it must be active if i can ping itself |
| 16:03 | <cesurasean> | seems like firewall since it can't be accessed outside the box. |
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| 16:03 | <cesurasean> | what other firewall softwares are there besides iptables? lol |
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| 16:06 | <zem> | what do you ping when you get "From 172.16.1.100 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable"? |
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| 16:08 | <Zomb> | hi |
| 16:09 | <Zomb> | are any kms user around? |
| 16:09 | <Zomb> | I have a problem with hibernation and resume from that (nouveau framebuffer) |
| 16:09 | <Zomb> | the screen remains garbled, I see lots of fragments covering the actual picture |
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| 16:11 | <hellyeah> | /msg judd kernels) |
| 16:11 | <hellyeah> | judd, |
| 16:12 | <cesurasean> | Mar 7 15:09:57 backup kernel: [ 5596.656209] eth1: 21140 transmit timed out, status ffffffff, SIA ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff, resetting... |
| 16:12 | <cesurasean> | Mar 7 15:09:57 backup kernel: [ 5596.657650] 0000:04:04.0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed (CSR5 0xffffffff CSR6 0xffffffff) |
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| 16:12 | <lantizia> | Hey hey hey boys and girls |
| 16:12 | <Zomb> | hey dude |
| 16:12 | <lantizia> | Squeeze getting freezed! well well... any due date set at all? |
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| 16:13 | <lantizia> | hey Zomb |
| 16:13 | <babilen> | !tell lantizia -about wwsr |
| 16:14 | <cesurasean> | what is the nonfree drivers? |
| 16:14 | <cesurasean> | the package name? |
| 16:14 | <babilen> | !non-free |
| 16:14 | <dpkg> | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:14 | <hellyeah> | apt-get -t sid install foo |
| 16:14 | <lantizia> | !tell lantizia -about squeeze bet |
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| 16:14 | <hellyeah> | what does this command mean |
| 16:14 | <babilen> | !tell lantizia -about selftell |
| 16:14 | <cesurasean> | I need the non-free ethernet drivers. what is the package's name? |
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| 16:15 | <babilen> | you probably need some firmware from non-free |
| 16:15 | <cesurasean> | firmware-nonfree? |
| 16:15 | <babilen> | no |
| 16:16 | <cesurasean> | no? |
| 16:16 | <babilen> | follow the steps outlines above to enable the non-free component and install the suitable firmware-???? package |
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| 16:16 | <cesurasean> | what is the package name though? firmware-nonfree? |
| 16:17 | <babilen> | you could give me the result of "lspci -nn | grep -i ether" |
| 16:17 | <cesurasean> | what is watchdog? a firewall? |
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| 16:18 | <cesurasean> | nevermind |
| 16:18 | <cesurasean> | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82566DC Gigabit Network Connection [8086:104b] (rev 02) |
| 16:18 | <cesurasean> | 04:04.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140 [FasterNet] [1011:0009] (rev 20) |
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| 16:20 | <babilen> | ,pciid 8086:104b |
| 16:20 | <judd> | [8086:104b][8086:104b] is '82566DC Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000e' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:104b |
| 16:21 | <babilen> | .pciid 1011:0009 |
| 16:21 | <babilen> | ,pciid 1011:0009 |
| 16:21 | <judd> | [1011:0009][1011:0009] is 'DECchip 21140 [FasterNet]' from 'Digital Equipment Corporation' with kernel modules 'tulip', 'lmc' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1011:0009 |
| 16:21 | <cesurasean> | judd, im using squeeze. |
| 16:21 | <cesurasean> | Mar 7 15:19:31 backup kernel: [ 98.913761] NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out |
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| 16:21 | <cesurasean> | Mar 7 15:19:31 backup kernel: [ 98.913815] eth1: 21140 transmit timed out, status ffffffff, SIA ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff, resetting... |
| 16:21 | <cesurasean> | Mar 7 15:19:31 backup kernel: [ 98.915291] 0000:04:04.0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed (CSR5 0xffffffff CSR6 0xffffffff) |
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| 16:22 | <babilen> | cesurasean: probably firmware-linux-nonfree (try aptitude search "~n^firmware-") |
| 16:22 | <cesurasean> | babilen, i already installed that. i don't think it's a driver issue... |
| 16:22 | <cesurasean> | ifconfig is showing the link is up, etc |
| 16:23 | <cesurasean> | and im able to ping myself from that box, just not outside |
| 16:23 | <babilen> | cesurasean: reinsert your module and take a look at "dmesg | tail -n 10" |
| 16:23 | <cesurasean> | well, it pings yahoo, per say |
| 16:23 | <cesurasean> | but it won't ping a local box |
| 16:23 | <babilen> | It's your network configuration and unrelated to firmware/modules then |
| 16:24 | <cesurasean> | how do i turn off ipv6? |
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| 16:24 | <cesurasean> | yeah, it's most likely some kind of network config problem |
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| 16:24 | <adema> | hey i have a problem |
| 16:24 | <adema> | i disconnect an usb drive |
| 16:24 | <adema> | but the /dev/sdc still remains |
| 16:25 | <adema> | so when i plug the usb drive back |
| 16:25 | <adema> | nothing happens |
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| 16:25 | <zem> | you have the unmount it first |
| 16:25 | <adema> | it's weird and annoying |
| 16:25 | <babilen> | !tell cesurasean -about noipv6 |
| 16:25 | <adema> | it's already unmount(the disk does not appear when i do a "mount" cmd) |
| 16:25 | <cesurasean> | http://pastebin.com/Tn7vY8QC |
| 16:26 | <cesurasean> | this is the output of that command you told me to run. |
| 16:26 | <hellyeah> | hey |
| 16:26 | <adema> | and zem i can't umount it because the partitions devices are gone |
| 16:26 | <cesurasean> | dmesg | tail -n 10 |
| 16:26 | <adema> | there is just /dev/sdc left |
| 16:26 | <adema> | the /dev/sdcX are gone |
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| 16:26 | <hellyeah> | hey |
| 16:26 | <hellyeah> | how can i solve that |
| 16:27 | <hellyeah> | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16070 |
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| 16:27 | <babilen> | cesurasean: ok - try "dmesg | tail -n 30" - there seems to be something wrong with your card |
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| 16:28 | <cesurasean> | http://pastebin.com/eiBa6Efe |
| 16:28 | <babilen> | cesurasean: dpkg already told you |
| 16:28 | <babilen> | cesurasean: disregard that :) |
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| 16:28 | <cesurasean> | lol |
| 16:28 | <r0nin> | Have any of you used lm_sensors? Have you found the temps to be correct? |
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| 16:29 | <babilen> | cesurasean: Could you try to "modprobe -r tulip && modprobe tulip" (or lmc) and paste the dmesg output again? |
| 16:29 | <rpetre> | r0nin: highly dependent of the hardware, on some machines it's accurate, on others wildly off |
| 16:30 | <cesurasean> | babilen, http://pastebin.com/W3Vj1Ghd |
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| 16:32 | <babilen> | cesurasean: hmm |
| 16:33 | <babilen> | cesurasean: What about removing tulip and trying lmc? |
| 16:33 | <cesurasean> | how do i do that? |
| 16:33 | <babilen> | cesurasean: That does not look good .. |
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| 16:33 | <cesurasean> | please help me make this work. :( |
| 16:33 | <babilen> | cesurasean: "modprobe -r tulip && modprobe lmc" |
| 16:35 | <cesurasean> | ok, i ran that, and then did dmsg again - http://pastebin.com/FFWP91h4 |
| 16:37 | <adema> | what about my usb device problem oO , |
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| 16:38 | <babilen> | cesurasean: That's all there is? |
| 16:38 | <z3rograv1ty> | hi |
| 16:39 | <z3rograv1ty> | my NIC is up, but lsmod tags the module 'Unused' |
| 16:39 | <z3rograv1ty> | can't ping a pc on the network |
| 16:40 | <simonrvn> | what about ifconfig? |
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| 16:41 | <z3rograv1ty> | it's a base system yet |
| 16:41 | <z3rograv1ty> | ip addr show |
| 16:41 | <z3rograv1ty> | says link is up |
| 16:41 | <zem> | can you ping localhost? |
| 16:41 | <simonrvn> | show an ip? |
| 16:41 | <simonrvn> | shows* |
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| 16:41 | <z3rograv1ty> | is it normal the NIC is up but the module is unused? |
| 16:42 | <cesurasean> | babilen, yes that's all it says. |
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| 16:42 | <babilen> | And the device if up an running, but you just can't ping local hosts? |
| 16:42 | <z3rograv1ty> | 192.168.1.90/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global eth0 |
| 16:42 | <babilen> | all other hosts work well? |
| 16:43 | <z3rograv1ty> | no hosts |
| 16:43 | <simonrvn> | likely because it's using another driver, or something's odd. |
| 16:43 | <z3rograv1ty> | pinging address in LAN always states 'no route to host' |
| 16:43 | <zem> | ip ro sh |
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| 16:44 | <z3rograv1ty> | dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 16:44 | <z3rograv1ty> | uses thunderlan is detected (tlan) |
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| 16:44 | <z3rograv1ty> | lsmod states tlan is loaded but unused |
| 16:44 | <cesurasean> | babilen, if i install another network card, will debian automatically install the drivers for it? |
| 16:45 | <babilen> | they are probably already installed |
| 16:45 | <z3rograv1ty> | ip ro sh 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.1.90 default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 |
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| 16:45 | <babilen> | (i.e. the kernel will already have a module for them) |
| 16:47 | <z3rograv1ty> | ip addr show eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,10000) mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:00:24:24:67:c3 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff |
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| 16:47 | <z3rograv1ty> | inet 192.168.1.90/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global eth0 |
| 16:48 | <z3rograv1ty> | NIC can ping loopback |
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| 16:48 | <z3rograv1ty> | any tips? |
| 16:48 | <zem> | can you ping 192.168.1.90? |
| 16:49 | <z3rograv1ty> | can ping |
| 16:50 | <z3rograv1ty> | anychance tlan driver is broken ? |
| 16:51 | <z3rograv1ty> | btw , dmesg shows TLAN: eth0: Link forced |
| 16:51 | <z3rograv1ty> | is that bad? |
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| 16:54 | <cesurasean> | babilen, how do i fix my problem? |
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| 17:02 | <cesurasean> | babilen, you gonna leave a brotha hangin like that? |
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| 17:04 | <cesurasean> | [ 622.672742][ 622.672742] eth1: Digital DS21140 Tulip rev 32 at Port 0xdc80, 00:c0:f0:16:4a:ee, IRQ 16. [ 623.623212] irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option) |
| 17:05 | <cesurasean> | is this the problem? |
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| 17:05 | <cesurasean> | both are using irq16? |
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| 17:05 | <cesurasean> | should i try using the iraqpoll option? |
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| 17:10 | <pishguy> | Equivalent software can write their names? netsupport ? |
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| 17:11 | <pishguy> | MoDaX : Equivalent software can write their names? netsupport ? |
| 17:11 | <MoDaX> | pishguy: sorry? |
| 17:12 | <geckos> | answer T or F.. awesome can bind what ever key I want to run what ever command I want? |
| 17:12 | <geckos> | Y or N if you prefer |
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| 17:15 | <ra> | hello |
| 17:15 | <ra> | hello |
| 17:16 | <ra> | hola |
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| 17:16 | <ra> | ola ?¿ |
| 17:16 | <babilen> | !ubuntu-es ra |
| 17:16 | <dpkg> | ra: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
| 17:16 | <ra> | q |
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| 17:17 | <ra> | ola hay alguien ?¿ |
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| 17:17 | <ra> | hola hay alguien hay ?¡ |
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| 17:17 | <ra> | contstame |
| 17:18 | <paro> | anyone know how i install mpeg4 decoder debian lenny? apt-get install w32codecs not found...i get package w32codecs.deb and already install but...i cant see videos mpeg and avi |
| 17:18 | <ra> | hello |
| 17:18 | <babilen> | ra: Stop it please |
| 17:18 | <babilen> | !es-social |
| 17:18 | <dpkg> | Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 17:19 | <paro> | ok |
| 17:19 | <ra> | hola quienes sois ?¿ |
| 17:19 | <paro> | this channel is english ? |
| 17:19 | <ra> | yes |
| 17:20 | <ra> | PORFAVOR RESPONDEERME QUIENES SOIS |
| 17:20 | <babilen> | ra: You are speaking Spanish and you use Ubuntu - go play somewhere else |
| 17:20 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ |
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| 17:20 | <cesurasean> | fixed. for some reason the cable was not plugged in. lol |
| 17:20 | <paro> | anyone know how i install mpeg4 decoder debian lenny? apt-get install w32codecs not found...i get package w32codecs.deb and already install but...i cant see videos mpeg and avi |
| 17:20 | <babilen> | cesurasean: seriously? |
| 17:21 | <cesurasean> | yes |
| 17:21 | <cesurasean> | apparently |
| 17:21 | <cesurasean> | i can ping back and forth now just fine |
| 17:21 | <cesurasean> | who knows |
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| 17:21 | <babilen> | cesurasean: ok - i'll remember that. 1. Are you sure that the computer is turned on? 2. Yes? Ok, please turn it off - problem solved? |
| 17:22 | <cesurasean> | yeah well i had powered it down, then realized the cable was not attached, |
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| 17:22 | <cesurasean> | but i swear it wasnt working when it was either |
| 17:22 | <cesurasean> | so im not sure |
| 17:22 | <cesurasean> | works now though |
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| 17:22 | <babilen> | paro: You might want to install mplayer/vlc from debian-multimedia (/msg dpkg dmm) to get access to non-free codecs with these players |
| 17:24 | <paro> | i already have vlc, realplayer,and others video players installed |
| 17:24 | <babilen> | paro: And w32codecs is not in Debian |
| 17:24 | <babilen> | paro: From debian-multimedia ? |
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| 17:25 | <babilen> | paro: Could you try to run the movie from the command line and paste the output/errors ? |
| 17:25 | <paro> | yes...i cant found w32codecs |
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| 17:26 | <usuario_> | hello |
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| 17:26 | <paro> | babilen how i run video from console? you can dime plz? |
| 17:26 | <babilen> | usuario_: stop it please |
| 17:26 | <usuario_> | these? |
| 17:26 | <babilen> | paro: "vlc <movie>" ? |
| 17:26 | <usuario_> | heeloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:26 | <paro> | ty i will try |
| 17:26 | <usuario_> | helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:27 | <usuario_> | hello |
| 17:27 | <babilen> | !ops usuario_ spanish/ubuntu troll |
| 17:27 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: usuario_ spanish/ubuntu troll |
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| 17:27 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 17:27 | -!- | usuario_ was kicked from #debian by azeem [you should know better] |
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| 17:27 | <babilen> | azeem: thanks :) |
| 17:28 | <paro> | babilen: debian:/mnt/backup/Show# vlc Luan\ Santana\ -\ AO\ VIVO.avi |
| 17:28 | <paro> | bash: vlc: command not found |
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| 17:29 | <babilen> | paro: install vlc or try "mplayer <movie>" |
| 17:29 | <paro> | i have both already installed bro |
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| 17:31 | <paro> | i reinstall vlc...look this; |
| 17:31 | <paro> | debian:/mnt/backup/Show# vlc Luan\ Santana\ -\ AO\ VIVO.avi |
| 17:31 | <paro> | VLC media player 0.8.6h Janus |
| 17:31 | <paro> | starting VLC root wrapper... using UID 0 (root) |
| 17:31 | <paro> | *************************************** |
| 17:31 | <paro> | * Running VLC as root is discouraged. * |
| 17:31 | -!- | paro was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
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| 17:31 | <babilen> | :) |
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| 17:31 | <babilen> | !tell paro_ -about paste |
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| 17:32 | <babilen> | paro_: And don't run it as root use *your* account |
| 17:33 | * | sney half expects "naw bro I always use root" |
| 17:33 | <babilen> | paro_: And first and foremost: Don't /msg people |
| 17:33 | <sney> | (unless they say it's ok) |
| 17:34 | <babilen> | ((exactly)) |
| 17:34 | <babilen> | paro_: hello? stop it please ... |
| 17:34 | <paro_> | ok sry |
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| 17:34 | <babilen> | paro_: Could you paste that to a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) and don't run it as root |
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| 17:35 | <babilen> | paro_: I also told you how you would probably solve that problem (/msg dpkg dmm) by installing vlc/mplayer from debian-multimedia |
| 17:35 | <paro_> | i have vlc installed |
| 17:35 | <paro_> | i have the error in line comand |
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| 17:36 | <babilen> | not from debian-multimedia |
| 17:36 | <babilen> | !dmm |
| 17:36 | <dpkg> | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 17:36 | <babilen> | paro_: ^^^^^^^^ |
| 17:36 | <paro_> | i can past error here? |
| 17:36 | <babilen> | paro_: nuff said |
| 17:36 | <babilen> | paro_: no |
| 17:36 | <adb> | paro_, paste 'uname -r' too |
| 17:37 | <paro_> | adb my kernel is 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:37 | <paro_> | vlc error: [00000281] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'. |
| 17:37 | <paro_> | VLC probably does not support this sound or video format. |
| 17:38 | <babilen> | paro_: pastebin! |
| 17:38 | <paro_> | pastebin! [00000281] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'. |
| 17:38 | <paro_> | VLC probably does not support this sound or video format. |
| 17:38 | <babilen> | *sigh* |
| 17:38 | <zp> | Hi, is it ok that -r and -O - in wget do not work together? like: wget -r -l 7 -q -O - http://web.de ? (it remains hanging after fetching several files...) |
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| 17:39 | <ml|> | !lose paro_ |
| 17:39 | <dpkg> | paro_: You Lose. |
| 17:39 | <babilen> | paro_: one last time (and i'm super patient now) - install vlc and/or mplayer from DEBIAN-MULTIMEDIA |
| 17:39 | <adb> | paro, install 'vlc-nox' too |
| 17:40 | <paro_> | i already have vlc installed from debian-multimedia repository bro... |
| 17:40 | <ml|> | !beer babilen |
| 17:40 | * | dpkg pours a pint of Gulden Drak for babilen |
| 17:40 | <babilen> | ml|: thanks |
| 17:40 | <ml|> | np :) |
| 17:41 | <babilen> | paro_: what about mplayer? |
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| 17:43 | <adema> | how can i reload usb devices ? |
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| 17:44 | <babilen> | adema: What do you mean? |
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| 17:44 | <adema> | sometime when i unplugged an usb drive |
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| 17:45 | <adema> | the partitions device disappear but not the main hard drive device |
| 17:45 | <adema> | /dev/sdc is still here |
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| 17:45 | <adema> | so when i plug it back, the partition device are not created |
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| 17:45 | <adema> | so i can't mount anything |
| 17:46 | <paro> | mplayer <video> crash my X =/ |
| 17:46 | <adema> | the only way is to reboot my computer ... |
| 17:46 | <adema> | babilen, what should i do ? |
| 17:46 | <paro> | i need install codecs for avi and mpeg =/ |
| 17:46 | <babilen> | adema: I just decided to take a break. sry |
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| 17:57 | <andrew1618> | is there any reason why an install on a ibm x31 from a usb stick would stall after it says that it's detecting network hardware? |
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| 17:58 | <andrew1618> | I dled boot.img.gz and zcat > usb device then copied the netinstall iso to the stick and it starts the install fine it's just when it reaches the network detection stage, it seems to run through it fine but then gives me a blue screen and no activity (ie the background) |
| 18:01 | <adb> | lenny install ? what arch ? |
| 18:01 | <sney> | x31 is i686 |
| 18:01 | <sney> | mobile pentium 4 as I recall |
| 18:01 | <sney> | should be all intel network hardware |
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| 18:02 | <sney> | pro100 and 2200bg |
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| 18:02 | <andrew1618> | yup that is it. |
| 18:02 | <sney> | andrew1618: those motherboards have been known to have odd issues with their USB ports, but I guess you don't have a cd drive handy |
| 18:03 | <andrew1618> | sney: uhh just great :| |
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| 18:03 | <sney> | heh at least it isn't the x40, with those you could occasionally fry the motherboard just by unplugging a thumbdrive and plugging it into a different port |
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| 18:03 | <andrew1618> | sney: but the method of creating the usb install device is not incorrect is it? I will try a diff usb port |
| 18:03 | <sney> | yeah that is the correct method |
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| 18:05 | <andrew1618> | I picked it up for $150au |
| 18:05 | <andrew1618> | nice little upgrade from the a22e |
| 18:05 | <sney> | that's a good deal |
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| 18:05 | <andrew1618> | I like the ibm x series, I really want to get my hands on an x60s someday soon |
| 18:06 | <andrew1618> | ok so i've just changed usbport |
| 18:06 | <andrew1618> | and it has done it agian |
| 18:06 | <andrew1618> | can i drop to a console somehow? |
| 18:06 | <sney> | c-a-f4 |
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| 18:07 | <sney> | or f2, etc, I think they all work now |
| 18:07 | <sney> | if you're doing the netinstall over wired ethernet one thing to try would be to disable the wifi in bios for now |
| 18:07 | <andrew1618> | ok my capslock key light is flashing |
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| 18:07 | <andrew1618> | it wouldnt let me goto a consolse |
| 18:08 | <sney> | try disabling wifi |
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| 18:08 | <andrew1618> | doing it right now |
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| 18:09 | <andrew1618> | argh it was the wifi, how annoying |
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| 18:10 | <andrew1618> | ok I will install over network then most likely try and figure out this problem |
| 18:10 | <andrew1618> | by the way I love debian, finally I have found a distribution I like. |
| 18:11 | <andrew1618> | I have gone through mandrake, fedora, suse, ubuntu (yuck) and gentoo. |
| 18:11 | <andrew1618> | I shall be back later |
| 18:11 | <andrew1618> | thankyou |
| 18:12 | <ml|> | andrew1618: the install guide should help /msg dpkg install guide |
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| 18:13 | <Onepamopa> | andrew1618 debian rulez ! |
| 18:13 | <Onepamopa> | I use it in all my servers |
| 18:13 | <Onepamopa> | ;) |
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| 19:17 | <amir> | هاى |
| 19:17 | <amir> | السﻻم عليكم |
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| 19:20 | <bremner> | um arabic? farsi? |
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| 19:25 | <abrotman> | but was it spam ? |
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| 19:29 | <snogglethorpe> | مي هوفيرسرافت إس فول أف يلس. |
| 19:29 | <snogglethorpe> | (courtesy offby1 on #emacs) |
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| 19:44 | <lantizia> | If you've got a lot of servers in a data centre at your disposal... would you say it's wise to keep your namesevers separate from your web servers? |
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| 20:12 | <Onepamopa> | lantizia, in my opinion, it's always best to keep separate name server |
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| 20:14 | <lantizia> | my question was more of a poll... on if people believe it's better to have dedicated nameservers for a group of web servers... or use the nameservers on the web servers themselves. |
| 20:14 | <lantizia> | Onepamopa, are you the former then? |
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| 20:18 | <Onepamopa> | lantizia well, I prefer to have separate named server |
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| 20:24 | <jamieleshaw> | hey, how do i change the default browser for debian? which file do i edit? |
| 20:26 | <gsimmons> | dpkg: tell jamieleshaw -about www-browser |
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| 20:27 | <Rembrandt> | Hi, I'm a Debian 5 newbie. May someone assist me with answering my newbie questions? |
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| 20:27 | <lantizia> | Rembrandt, fire awwwway... |
| 20:27 | <Rembrandt> | Sweet. |
| 20:27 | <ikarus> | ask, don't ask to ask :) |
| 20:28 | <Rembrandt> | I just installed Debian 5. I wanted to take away the root ssh remote login |
| 20:28 | <Rembrandt> | but before I do that, I want to know how to add a new user |
| 20:28 | <Rembrandt> | and set proper permission |
| 20:28 | <Rembrandt> | so I can run sudo |
| 20:28 | <Rembrandt> | I dunno if this is standard stuff. |
| 20:29 | <XONE|Callum> | hi - i was wondering if anyone has experienced grub "ignoring" the savedefault command in debian 5.04 (grub vers 0.97) it doesnt work on both my debian net installs yet the same grub vers on other distros works |
| 20:29 | <jamieleshaw> | gsimmons, It says there is only 1 browser but I donwloaded firefox 3.6 |
| 20:30 | <ikarus> | Rembrandt: sure, just adduser the user, though, groups to also add to the user depends on what rights you want to grant |
| 20:30 | <gsimmons> | jamieleshaw: That would not be part of the Debian alternatives system. |
| 20:30 | <Rembrandt> | ikarus: are my groups in /etc/group? |
| 20:30 | <jamieleshaw> | gsimmons, How do I make it default then? |
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| 20:31 | <ikarus> | Rembrandt: yes, but use adduser to add a user to a group aswell |
| 20:31 | <ikarus> | adduser <user> <group> |
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| 20:31 | <Rembrandt> | I don't know if I want to add my new user to the "root" group though. |
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| 20:31 | <Rembrandt> | I just want to have a root account, and the a regular user to run sudo when doing root things |
| 20:33 | <Rembrandt> | Heh, I feel goofy not figuring this stuff out |
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| 20:33 | <Rembrandt> | I'm not sure if I need to set up a group to "run" sudo |
| 20:33 | <Rembrandt> | or can anyone run sudo? |
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| 20:34 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: It takes some strategy, because there are different ways you can do things. |
| 20:35 | <jhutchins_lt> | One is "only root has privilages, but people know the root password". That requires a lot of trust. |
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| 20:36 | <jhutchins_lt> | Open sudo is next most common - you can run any command as a user via sudo, including sudo bash, but it will be logged that YOU did sudo bash. |
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| 20:36 | <Cheryl> | Hello, anybody can give me a quick answer to a dumb question? |
| 20:36 | <jhutchins_lt> | From there you can tighten it down a bit, restrict running bash, restrict some commands, or have a limited list of available commands. |
| 20:37 | <Rembrandt> | well, I just did "adduser Fernando" |
| 20:38 | <jhutchins_lt> | You can also mess with a psedo acl scheme where there's a set of commands that can be run by anyone in the admin group (forinstance), and certain parts of the filesystem are open to them. |
| 20:38 | <Rembrandt> | so I created a user |
| 20:38 | <Rembrandt> | I'm going to try to ssh with this account. |
| 20:38 | <jhutchins_lt> | Then there's an actual acl scheme that you can implement, but I don't know much about that. |
| 20:38 | <jhutchins_lt> | It's more like Microsoft's ACL scheme. |
| 20:39 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: Yeah, you want a user to run normal stuff, to personalize with your own name in the email and the word processor, etc. |
| 20:39 | <Rembrandt> | "[sudo] password for Fernando: Fernando is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 20:39 | <Rembrandt> | so, I guess I have to modify the sudoers file, right? |
| 20:40 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: Right. Debian leaves sudo with zero permissions. You have to set up your own commands, users, and/or groups. |
| 20:40 | <paggas> | Cheryl: Go on :) |
| 20:41 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchin_It: I use visudo now? |
| 20:41 | <Cheryl> | I am attempting to make multiboot system. Never iinstalled or maintained Linux. Used to Solaris. Abandoned windows. Debian installer would not let me create the partitions I wanted so I resized and moved them, and now the cevice names are all out of order. Will this confuse the bootloader or the mounting? |
| 20:41 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_It: I use visudo now? |
| 20:41 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: Yes. |
| 20:41 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_It: I use visudo now? |
| 20:41 | <Rembrandt> | heh, I keep typing sort of the same thing |
| 20:41 | <jhutchins_lt> | Sorry, checking some things for you. http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 20:41 | <jhutchins_lt> | http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 20:42 | <paggas> | Cheryl: Can you still boot Solaris? |
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| 20:43 | <jhutchins_lt> | Cheryl: Chopping your drive up into partitions is bound to end up with the space you need on the wrong partition. One of the partitioning programs has the ability to re-order the partitions, not sure if it's fdisk, cfdisk, or parted. |
| 20:43 | <Cheryl> | By 'used to' what I mean is, I know how to use Solaris and it is very similar to Linux, but I am doing my first instaol of Debian. It was working just a little while ago but now I moved the partitions. I put a 100MB partition at sector 0 for a boot loader (not installed yet). |
| 20:43 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_lt: I'll read through those |
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| 20:44 | <Cheryl> | But the 'first' partition shows up as sda3 because Debian origially installed root as sda1 and swap as sda2 in an extended partition. |
| 20:44 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: I'm from the "trusted users have the root password but run as themselves unless they're doing admin stuff, un-trusted users call a trusted user when they need admin stuff done" school. |
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| 20:45 | <jhutchins_lt> | Ferinstance, I'm running as normal user me here, but I have konsole windows open as root on four systems. |
| 20:45 | <paggas> | Cheryl: Not sure, but how can you put a partition at sector 0? Where does the partition table go? |
| 20:45 | <Cheryl> | So, if Linux reads the mbr ans sees the partitions listed there, and the boot record is in sda3, does that confuse it, since it starts at sector 0? |
| 20:46 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_lt: well, that's what I want to implement :D |
| 20:46 | <Cheryl> | Sorry, I know not the technical details. I am using gparted graphical inbterface from Knoppix to move/rresize the partitions. This is an experiment so it is OK if it does not work first time, but intent is to test several flavors of Linux |
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| 20:46 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_lt: although, I am going to be the only one doing that |
| 20:47 | <Rembrandt> | http://wiki.debian.org/sudo seems incorrect though |
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| 20:47 | <Rembrandt> | It adds "User_Alias MYADMINS = jdoe" in the Host Alias specification line |
| 20:47 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: That's a lot of work to set up sudo then, unless you want to learn the system. |
| 20:47 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_lt: I do want to learn the system |
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| 20:48 | <jhutchins_lt> | If you're the only one allowed to execute commands through sudo, and you're the one who's going to be checking the log, there's no point. |
| 20:48 | <paggas> | Cheryl: You already had Solaris installed before moving the partitions? Does it boot now? |
| 20:48 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_lt: Plus, I don't like using "root" for remotely login into my vps |
| 20:48 | <Cheryl> | No, there is no Solaris on this machine, never was. I started with a blanked hdd |
| 20:48 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_lt: I just don't want to use the "root" account. |
| 20:48 | <jhutchins_lt> | Cheryl: I recommend a single partition plus swap, and backups. |
| 20:49 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: There's no reason not to if you are the sysadmin. |
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| 20:49 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: Just don't use gui tools as root. |
| 20:49 | <Cheryl> | all I have on it now is Debian, swap, and a few os and data partitions that I created using gparted. |
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| 20:49 | <Rembrandt> | Guess I'm confused now. |
| 20:49 | <Rembrandt> | lol |
| 20:49 | <jhutchins_lt> | There is ONE good reason to partition a single-disk filesystem, and I'm still waiting for someone else to mention it. |
| 20:50 | <paggas> | Cheryl: So you want some fixed partitions to reformat them all the time in order to try different distros? :) |
| 20:50 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: What system did you use prior to debian. |
| 20:50 | <Cheryl> | Yes, I know the installer likes to do it that way, but I am test-driving several flavors of Linux to see which one I like. |
| 20:50 | <Cheryl> | The installer would crash when I told it to create a dozen partitions. |
| 20:50 | <jhutchins_lt> | Cheryl: So you want a common /home then? |
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| 20:50 | <paggas> | Cheryl: You want to have all distros installed at the same time? |
| 20:50 | <Cheryl> | Actually there are 6 home1 home 2 etc. |
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| 20:51 | <jhutchins_lt> | Cheryl: Just put the home partition in the root partition of each distro if you're keeping seperate homes. |
| 20:51 | <Cheryl> | Yes all distros installed and bootable from a menu |
| 20:52 | <Cheryl> | The next question is, what about installing the boot loader for chain loading? Never done that and every time I start reading I get confused. |
| 20:52 | <paggas> | Cheryl: Maybe best have one partition per installation, plus one swap. Then you install the bootloader in the MBR, and configure it (at install time) so it knows where to read its configuration file. |
| 20:52 | <paggas> | Cheryl: And you have all your distros listed in the configuration file. |
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| 20:53 | <paggas> | Cheryl: You don't really need chainloading :) |
| 20:53 | <Cheryl> | I have no configuration file, no boot loader. I just moved debian out of the way because I could niot get it to make a separate 100mb partition for the boot loader |
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| 20:54 | <paggas> | Cheryl: Why do you want a separate partition for that? |
| 20:55 | <Cheryl> | probably the system does not boot at this time, but I have not tried it yet. I am chatting from a live CD to see if I can get help with the process to install grub or lilo or whatever on the boot recorb/first partition since right nnow it is blank |
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| 20:55 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_lt: I've never used a linux distro before. I'm a Windows guy. |
| 20:55 | <Cheryl> | 6the reason for the separate partition is the intallers like to overwrite the boot record and I am trying to keep it disposable. I want each distribution I install to be immune from damage, incuding the first one I installed. |
| 20:56 | <paggas> | Cheryl: As I know it, the boot record and the first partition are different things. |
| 20:56 | <Cheryl> | yes I know that the boot record and the first partition are different, but the thing is, the physical address did nto change but the location and size of each partition was altered when I moved them out of the way. |
| 20:57 | <jhutchins_lt> | Rembrandt: Ok, so go with the model that you run the system as a normal user, and you admin logged in as Administrator - root in this case. |
| 20:57 | <paggas> | Cheryl: I don't think you can do that, you'll have to circumvent many installer procedures... |
| 20:57 | <Cheryl> | Maybe I am just not understanding the details. I studied electronics, not computers. |
| 20:57 | <jhutchins_lt> | You have the option of opening an admin console from a normal login. |
| 20:58 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_lt: right now, I have a VPS with Debian 5. I ssh in with "root". |
| 20:58 | <Rembrandt> | jhutchins_lt: this is not a preferred method, correct? |
| 20:58 | <jhutchins_lt> | Cheryl: Moving partions isn't like moving files. It's at best a kludge. If you want to restructure a drive, the proper method is to update your backups, repartition the drive, and restore. |
| 20:58 | <paggas> | Cheryl: You could have a USB stick or whatever to back up the MBR and restore it again after every installation. |
| 20:58 | <jhutchins_lt> | Cheryl: The tools that give you the illusion of moving and resizing do so at great expense of time and potential data loss. |
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| 20:59 | <jhutchins_lt> | Cheryl: You have to have backups anyway, since they're likely to trash your data. Might as well just resize and restore, it's much faster. |
| 21:00 | <Cheryl> | Well, keep in mind this is just a test for now. I am expecting to zero out the hdd again later when I pick my favorite flavors. |
| 21:00 | <paggas> | Cheryl: Or just don't resize at all. Create all your partitions beforehand, and instruct each installer to use one for itself. |
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| 21:01 | <Cheryl> | I will do it that way, later... |
| 21:01 | <Cheryl> | this is just a test. |
| 21:01 | <paggas> | Anyway, good luck, I'm getting outa here :) |
| 21:01 | <Cheryl> | I cannot figure out how to tell the installers what to do. They have a mind of their own. I need time to learn that and the only way to learn it is to start using a system. |
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| 21:02 | <Cheryl> | So anyway, when I go to install the boot loader, what is the difference between boot from menu and chain load? |
| 21:02 | <Cheryl> | thks paggas |
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| 21:05 | <Cheryl> | Hello? got quiet in here all of a sudden... |
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| 21:16 | <othor1> | Hello, I have a quick question, how to install apt-file when aptitude doesn't find it in the default repositories? Should I just download the deb package and install it manually using dpkg or is there a way to get it to work, because according to http://packages.debian.org/lenny/apt-file this package is very much available on "all" architectures |
| 21:17 | <abrotman> | othor1: you're probably missing something from your sources |
| 21:17 | <abrotman> | othor1: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 21:20 | <othor1> | pastebin as in pastebin.org ? http://pastebin.org/104491 |
| 21:21 | <gsimmons> | othor1: You don't have "main" referenced in line 10 of your paste. |
| 21:22 | <othor1> | just noticed that myself |
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| 21:23 | <abrotman> | or 11 |
| 21:23 | <abrotman> | or 6/7 |
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| 21:27 | <othor1> | Works fine now thank you all |
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| 21:31 | <Cheryl> | Hello, I have a general question. I am new to Linux installation and only a former user of Solaris. I just did my first Debian install this week. I am haveing difficulty understanding the terms and finding the procedures to do basic things like installing a bootloader. My question: how/where di you all learn Linux administration? Do ou have a special reference (other than the web sites of the distributions) to learn the language and |
| 21:31 | <Cheryl> | architecture of the OS? |
| 21:31 | <abrotman> | the installer should have installed a bootloader |
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| 21:31 | <abrotman> | !tell Cheryl about grounding |
| 21:31 | <abrotman> | !tell Cheryl about reference |
| 21:31 | <Cheryl> | yes it did and it will be re-installed every time I add another OS to the multiboot system... |
| 21:32 | <Cheryl> | I am EE so I understand electrostatics. |
| 21:32 | <abrotman> | or you can tell whatever other OS you install not to install a bootloader .. (except windows that doesn't care) |
| 21:32 | <Cheryl> | I did see that Debian had a line-by-line install in the graphical/manual install... but it failed when i trie dto use it (not sure why) so I had to use the auto install. |
| 21:33 | <Cheryl> | Then I ended up with the whole drive dedicated to one OS. |
| 21:33 | <sney> | I learned Debian by tinkering with it in my spare time |
| 21:33 | <Cheryl> | So, when you need to do manual interventi0n, disk partitioning etc... what reference do you refer to, as a first-timer? |
| 21:34 | <sney> | there are books for linux administration but the best way is just to try it a few times and read all the prompts carefully |
| 21:34 | <sney> | eventually you become good at it. I also learn a lot of things just by hanging out here and helping when I can |
| 21:34 | <abrotman> | you learn things in here? |
| 21:34 | * | abrotman hides |
| 21:34 | <sney> | !confuse abrotman |
| 21:34 | <dpkg> | Yes, how are our gouda today, abrotman? Breeches of the Republic of Tibet with extra cream. |
| 21:35 | <abrotman> | dpkg: i have some chipotle lime gouda |
| 21:35 | <dpkg> | abrotman: are you smoking crack? |
| 21:35 | <abrotman> | dpkg: all signs point to yes ... |
| 21:35 | <dpkg> | abrotman: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:36 | <sney> | Cheryl: there is also a lot of information (though a lot of it is outdated) on www.tldp.org |
| 21:36 | <Cheryl> | sney: thanks for the response. What bootloader should I use for the multiboot menu? lilo seems more tested but grub seems more recent? |
| 21:36 | <abrotman> | the debian reference and docs/manuals are pretty good |
| 21:36 | <Cheryl> | thks for the link, checking it out now... |
| 21:36 | <sney> | grub is the standard these days. |
| 21:36 | <abrotman> | Cheryl: the dpkg bot msged you a few other links |
| 21:37 | <Cheryl> | I am familiar with man pages and yes they are far better than solaris man pages were, to my recollection. Actually I like Linux alot compared to what I was used to on Solaris. |
| 21:38 | <Cheryl> | so what is the difference between chain load and boot from menu? |
| 21:38 | <sney> | yes, linux is more of an OS for humans than solaris is |
| 21:38 | <sney> | chainloading loads another bootloader which then loads the OS, it's necessary for proprietary nonsense like windows and is also useful for upgrading from one bootloader to another |
| 21:39 | <Cheryl> | how do I retrieve the mesaged links? this is my first itime using xchat |
| 21:39 | <abrotman> | Cheryl: click on the 'dpkg' tab |
| 21:39 | <sney> | it'll just show you another tab or name in the tree called 'dpkg' which should be lit up red |
| 21:40 | <sney> | (an engineer who's never used IRC or linux, will wonders never cease) |
| 21:40 | <abrotman> | at least solaris was involved :) |
| 21:40 | <sney> | slowaris, you mean? I always just installed linux on my sun hardware |
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| 21:41 | <abrotman> | i liked solaris, haven't used it in years |
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| 21:42 | <sney> | 8 annoyed me to no end, I tried to install OpenSolaris at one point and it refused |
| 21:42 | <sney> | I probably could have tried harder but there it is. |
| 21:43 | * | sney goes back to cooking dinner and/or watching the oscars |
| 21:43 | <andre_> | o |
| 21:43 | <andre_> | nmap |
| 21:45 | <Cheryl> | I was raising a family. Had no time to play with computers. My only chat was simple windows messaging stuff. I spent most of mi time driving a simulator. |
| 21:47 | <sney> | I guess I'm used to a certain kind of engineer. no judgements. |
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| 21:49 | <Cheryl> | I would have, if I had the opportunity. I was highly focused on circuit design and just used vnc to access my workstation remotely. |
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| 21:53 | <Cheryl> | regarding chainload: I decided to put Windows on its own drive, gave it its own sandbox. Hope it does not get lonely. I not poanning to visit it very often any more. |
| 21:54 | <Cheryl> | or update it either. |
| 21:55 | <Cheryl> | So how do we go about nominating Linus Torvalds for a Nobel Peace Prize, for his contributions to humanity> |
| 21:56 | <abrotman> | sney: i agree about 8 .. that was just an awful version |
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| 22:26 | <redlance> | How important is CPU power to a file server? |
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| 22:31 | <abrotman> | redlbah |
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| 22:37 | <User_007> | hello guys, i have a problem with radeon driver after full-upgrade on Squeeze AMD64. It shows "direct rendering = yes" but it's using a lot of CPU and have just 200fps |
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| 22:46 | <andrew1618> | so I am installing debian5.04 via flashdrive, And now it is asking for the disc labelled 'debian GNU/linux 5.0.4....' to be inserted into the drive '/cdrom/' and then for me to press enter. Now I am installing on an ibm x31 so there is no cdrom drive. I mounted the iso which is on my flash drive into the /cdrom directory however when I select continue it doesnt seem to like it. Any ideas? |
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| 23:01 | <dondelelcaro> | andrew1618: you just stick the iso on the flashdrive; if you follow the instructions in the install guide, it'll work |
| 23:05 | <andrew1618> | dondelelcaro, the install guide says to just copy it to the flashdrive |
| 23:05 | <andrew1618> | so no it hasnt worked |
| 23:05 | <andrew1618> | becuase I did that. |
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| 23:05 | <andrew1618> | It installed fine until it reached this point |
| 23:06 | <dondelelcaro> | andrew1618: and how did you copy it to the flash drive? |
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