| --- | Log | opened Mon Jan 25 00:00:00 2010 |
| 00:01 | <ml|> | the dev will set you straight if you are wrong, but I file a bug when I'm pretty certain on the cause or try to atleast |
| 00:02 | <ml|> | also checking bts before filing a new bug report |
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| 00:07 | <cesurasean> | ml|, my vbox doesn't. :( |
| 00:09 | <ml|> | cesurasean: you can look thru bts for any similar issue and/or start from scratch http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 00:11 | <ml|> | also http://forums.debian.net/ might be of help |
| 00:11 | <cesurasean> | yuck |
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| 00:11 | <cesurasean> | it seems this may be the reason the machine was so cheap. |
| 00:11 | <cesurasean> | it's a compaq prolient, with a weird bios unlike most machines. |
| 00:12 | <cesurasean> | proliant* |
| 00:12 | <ml|> | cesurasean: and what did you mean by ... < cesurasean> for some odd reason the computer locked up without virtualbox, i believe. :/ |
| 00:12 | <cesurasean> | i think this is hardware related, honestly. |
| 00:12 | <twb> | cesurasean: that's a pretty old series |
| 00:12 | <cesurasean> | yes |
| 00:12 | <twb> | cesurasean: are you sure it has the grunt to virtualize anything? |
| 00:12 | <cesurasean> | dual p3's |
| 00:12 | <cesurasean> | twb, no. |
| 00:12 | <twb> | For virtualization it'd be better to just go out and buy something that can do hardware virtualization |
| 00:13 | <ml|> | oh, maybe that is the cause |
| 00:13 | <cesurasean> | compaq proliant DL360 |
| 00:13 | <sney`> | it's just a modified intel bios with a special splash |
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| 00:13 | <sney`> | compaq dl360 used to be a great workhorse |
| 00:13 | <twb> | Intel don't make BIOSes |
| 00:13 | <sney`> | it's from the days before virtualization |
| 00:14 | <cesurasean> | sney`, what about the windows boot disks it requires. ive read that was an odd feature. |
| 00:14 | <Nemoder> | you might want to file a bug report anyway, it can be helpful for anyone else crazy enough to run that hardware :) |
| 00:14 | <ml|> | yes and use vbox, kvm, whatever that supports hardware virtualization |
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| 00:14 | <sney`> | excuse me, whatever bios intel used in the reference design, compaq changed it moderately and put their splash on |
| 00:14 | <sney`> | that's what they do. |
| 00:14 | <sney`> | cesurasean: what, the smartstart or whatever? iirc that is optional |
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| 00:15 | <ml|> | companies tend to do that |
| 00:15 | <cesurasean> | yes, smartstart. |
| 00:15 | <cesurasean> | I was afraid that is the reason it won't work. :/ |
| 00:15 | <sney`> | later smartstart was just a linux livecd |
| 00:15 | <cesurasean> | probably why it was so cheap, too. |
| 00:15 | <cesurasean> | ;0 |
| 00:15 | <sney`> | earlier smartstart is a collection of utilities for setting the raid arrays and whatnot |
| 00:15 | <ml|> | you get what you pay for ;) |
| 00:16 | <sney`> | I can't remember which generation the dl360 came with |
| 00:16 | <sney`> | the reason for it being cheap, on the other hand, is because it's old. |
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| 00:16 | <cesurasean> | why does old matter much? |
| 00:16 | <sney`> | lacks the oomph for modern applications. but it'd make a great fileserver. |
| 00:16 | <cesurasean> | whoever sold it to me wasn't very smart about pricing it. |
| 00:17 | <ml|> | yep |
| 00:17 | <sney`> | last time I deployed one of those was in 2006, and even then it was getting kinda crusty. that was also as a file server. |
| 00:17 | <cesurasean> | it's still a powerful 1U |
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| 00:17 | <ml|> | cesurasean: why about the pricing but? |
| 00:17 | <sney`> | how much did you pay for it? |
| 00:17 | <cesurasean> | $50 |
| 00:17 | <ml|> | s/but/bit/ |
| 00:17 | <cesurasean> | :) |
| 00:17 | <sney`> | that is a good deal. |
| 00:18 | <cesurasean> | ebay rocks. |
| 00:18 | <cesurasean> | without HD's, of course. |
| 00:18 | <sney`> | just don't expect it to be a modern server, because it isn't |
| 00:18 | <cesurasean> | hd's cost me 50 as well. |
| 00:18 | <ml|> | yeah 50 is not bad, now get something more up to date ;) |
| 00:18 | <sney`> | I think they stopped making the white-front proliants in 2002 or so |
| 00:18 | <cesurasean> | i have better machines than this.. |
| 00:19 | <ml|> | then use vbox on them |
| 00:19 | <sney`> | dl360 spans both bezel designs so I'm guessing yours is about 7 years old. |
| 00:19 | <sney`> | just use it for software tests and compiles and file hosting |
| 00:19 | <cesurasean> | sney`, i need to see how old it is. it's amazing they last so long. |
| 00:19 | <sney`> | gimme the model number |
| 00:20 | <sney`> | 6 digits - 3 digits (usually 001) |
| 00:20 | * | ml| loves his T23 from the late 90's :) |
| 00:20 | <sney`> | oh yeah the t23 was bombproof |
| 00:20 | <twb> | Ugh. Why does cups use gif images for its buttons |
| 00:20 | <cesurasean> | 6J2CJNT160s6 |
| 00:20 | <cesurasean> | S |
| 00:20 | <twb> | The package is full of localized .gif files |
| 00:20 | <cesurasean> | whoops |
| 00:21 | <ml|> | sney`: is ;) |
| 00:21 | <sney`> | heh fair enough |
| 00:21 | <cesurasean> | 6J2CJNT160S6 |
| 00:21 | <sney`> | that's a serial number but close enough |
| 00:22 | <sney`> | ooh, tualatin P3s. nice. |
| 00:22 | <cesurasean> | yeah that's all i can get to right now. :( |
| 00:22 | <ml|> | hopefully my T23 will last me another ~10 years |
| 00:23 | <cesurasean> | how long do you think mine will last? |
| 00:23 | <cesurasean> | it' |
| 00:23 | <cesurasean> | it's not really not that nice of a machine |
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| 00:24 | <cesurasean> | powerful, maybe. poorly designed though. |
| 00:24 | <ml|> | depends what your purpose will be for it and if the hardware does not fail |
| 00:24 | <cesurasean> | this one has some numbers wrote on it, etc, probably tons of usage. |
| 00:24 | <sney`> | looks like 2002 or 2003. to get the actual build date you'll have to flip it over and look at the stickers. there'll also be manufacturing dates on the motherboard pcb |
| 00:25 | <cesurasean> | im amazed it's actually running. |
| 00:25 | <sney`> | they're built to last |
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| 00:25 | <javi> | org |
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| 00:26 | <sney`> | I found an old PPro server in a datacenter once, running netware and plugged into nothing |
| 00:26 | <Adaniel> | Hi fellows I have a Intel T5200 Processor with IntelĀ® 64 architecture feature, would you be so kind to help on which Debian pack I need to install (AMD64, x386 or Ia64)? |
| 00:26 | <TCW> | cesurasean, apart from the harddisk, I guess the rest can last for ages |
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| 00:26 | <sney`> | Adaniel: i386 and amd64 will both work, amd64 is recommended to utilize the 64-bit cpu features and high memory limits |
| 00:26 | * | allu2 has debian running on pentium 2 300mhz ~360mb ram... |
| 00:26 | <TCW> | T5200? What kind of CPU is that? |
| 00:27 | <sney`> | fits with their new desktop naming scheme |
| 00:27 | <sney`> | probably new |
| 00:27 | <TCW> | i7 / i5 is out again? |
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| 00:27 | <TCW> | s/out/obsolete/ |
| 00:27 | <sney`> | no idea |
| 00:28 | <altaira> | Hi there. I've just finished network installing squeeze. How can I fetch the remaining packages? |
| 00:28 | <Adaniel> | Its a Intel Core2Duo as detailed http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27252 |
| 00:28 | <allu2> | btw what is version number of squeeze? |
| 00:29 | <ml|> | Adaniel: if you are not going to use more than ~3.3gb of ram or do dev work I'd use i386 |
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| 00:29 | <TCW> | Adaniel, ahh... thanks |
| 00:29 | <TCW> | ml|, altaira wants to know, not Adaniel :) |
| 00:29 | <sney`> | no he had it right |
| 00:30 | <ml|> | TCW: look again ;) |
| 00:30 | <sney`> | altaira: tasksel |
| 00:30 | <altaira> | sney: I've already tried tasksel I guess I need to set up the repositories |
| 00:31 | <TCW> | ml|, oops... how could that happen? *blushes* |
| 00:31 | <ml|> | it happens np |
| 00:31 | <sney`> | altaira: yep, I figured you already had |
| 00:31 | <TCW> | altaira, what are rhe "remaining packages"? |
| 00:31 | <ml|> | yeah ^ |
| 00:31 | <TCW> | the even |
| 00:32 | <altaira> | sney: where can I find the URL's? |
| 00:32 | <sney`> | he was in here earlier, I figure he means the desktop environment stuff |
| 00:33 | <TCW> | sney`, as in apt-get install gnome? |
| 00:33 | <ml|> | that should be fine with installed sources.list |
| 00:33 | <sney`> | installed sources.list doesn't include network sources if no network was detected during install |
| 00:34 | <altaira> | sney: :) |
| 00:34 | <sney`> | anyway |
| 00:34 | <sney`> | !repos |
| 00:34 | <dpkg> | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<;cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:34 | <Adaniel> | What's means IA64 arquitecture regarding Debian packs, because I tought that will be in my case... |
| 00:34 | <icebrain> | !ia64 |
| 00:34 | <dpkg> | [ia64][ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 00:34 | <sney`> | Adaniel: ia64 is for itanium, which is an older cpu architecture used for servers. it is unrelated to your computer and would not work if you tried it. |
| 00:35 | <ml|> | < altaira> Hi there. I've just finished network installing squeeze., then ? |
| 00:36 | <sney`> | as i recall, he installed the base system from the netinst disc, because netinst doesn't support wpa |
| 00:36 | <Adaniel> | Oh Thank You very much to clarify me regarding it... best regards |
| 00:36 | <ml|> | ok, but that's not what he just said tho ;) |
| 00:37 | <sney`> | fair enough. I'm just working from memory and the understanding that his english might be a little shaky |
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| 00:37 | <TCW> | Adaniel, IA64 == Itanium, a complete new 64bit redisign, amd64 is the more casual approuch to 64bit and a complete different story. To make it short, IA64 was to expensive, to most folks did buy amd64 boxes from amd (which is just an enhanced 64bit arch based on i386), so intel decided to licence the amd stuff and built amd64 capable CPUs as well |
| 00:37 | <ml|> | just trying to understand the logic is all |
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| 00:38 | <TCW> | that means almost ever, if you do not know what arch you have there... it is amd64 :) |
| 00:39 | <TCW> | because you KNOW when you had to pay the high prices for itanium servers :) |
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| 00:42 | <altaira> | sney: thanks a lot |
| 00:42 | <sney`> | no problem |
| 00:43 | <Adaniel> | Another question, is it possible to install a vmware into debian? |
| 00:43 | <sney`> | there are a few virtual machine programs available, like virtualbox |
| 00:44 | <ml|> | dpkg: vmware |
| 00:44 | <dpkg> | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. |
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| 00:45 | <twb> | That entry should also link to #vmware on Freenode |
| 00:46 | <twb> | Oh, via <vmware support> |
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| 00:49 | <ml|> | allu2: btw, there is no version number for squeeze, but once it is stable it should be 6.0 |
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| 01:23 | <kaziem> | is there an alternative for tsmmc (windows) for linux? Basically tsmmc is a program to manage multiple remote desktops, one screen in each tab... check this to get a picture of what I mean http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Image:Windows_server_2008_remote_desktops_sessions.jpg |
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| 01:34 | <philipwn> | how to see how much HZ is my kernel running at? |
| 01:35 | <twb> | philipwn: probably looking at the governor in /sys/ |
| 01:35 | <twb> | philipwn: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/ |
| 01:36 | <cahoot> | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
| 01:36 | <jm_> | philipwn: do you mean kernel config option? are you using a debian kernel? |
| 01:37 | <ml|> | if it's config option debian uses 250 iirc |
| 01:38 | <philipwn> | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq's output is 2000000. What that means? 200? |
| 01:40 | <twb> | philipwn: I imagine that's in Hertz. |
| 01:40 | <sney`> | 200 kh |
| 01:41 | <sney`> | kHz? |
| 01:42 | <jm_> | 2M |
| 01:42 | <sney`> | oh yeah |
| 01:42 | <sney`> | disregard |
| 01:42 | <philipwn> | I guess I need 1000hz for 1ms latency so I wanted to check out how much is it running right now |
| 01:43 | <twb> | philipwn: latency of what? |
| 01:43 | <ml|> | grep CONFIG_HZ_ /boot/config-* |
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| 01:43 | <twb> | The CPU's cycle frequency is a pretty useless metric for anything |
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| 01:44 | <philipwn> | ml|, it's 250, thank you |
| 01:45 | <philipwn> | have a nice day or night |
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| 02:00 | <diggy> | good morning guys |
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| 02:08 | <aacha> | oooo |
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| 02:20 | <kamal> | how can I activate bluetooth on debian gnome for sending files? |
| 02:21 | <kamal> | I have gnome-bluetooth installed. |
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| 02:24 | <Internat> | !sid |
| 02:24 | <dpkg> | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 03:21 | <hackel> | I'm trying to debootstrap sid into a user directory using fakechroot...anyone managed to accomplish this? My biggest issue is that when I run "ldconfig" it seems to run *outside* the chroot for some reason... |
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| 03:23 | <EmleyMoor> | My TV card loses frame sync ofter a few minutes, whether in xawtv or tvtime. How do I fix that? |
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| 03:24 | <EmleyMoor> | after a few minutes, that shoulrd be |
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| 03:27 | <EmleyMoor> | It does not do it if the system uptime is low. |
| 03:27 | <EmleyMoor> | (up to about 16 days seems OK) |
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| 03:31 | <ansgar> | hackel: I have never use fakechroot, but if it uses LD_PRELOAD it will probably not work with statically linked libraries. |
| 03:31 | <ansgar> | hackel: ldconfig has a -r option to specify an alternative root though. |
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| 03:32 | <hackel> | ansgar: Yes, if I do that it will run, but is there a way to tell dpkg to also use the -r option when it runs ldconfig? |
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| 03:34 | <kamal> | I want to know about implementation of selinux in debian. there is a blank selinux folder in / |
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| 03:39 | <jm_> | !selinux |
| 03:39 | <dpkg> | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:48 | <ansgar> | hackel: One idea would be to use dpkg-divert and replace /sbin/ldconfig with a script adding the -r parameter. |
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| 03:49 | <kubyz> | buenos dĆas :)) |
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| 03:50 | <twb> | !tell kubyz -about es |
| 03:50 | <kubyz> | good morning everybody from Spain! :)) |
| 03:50 | <jmm> | hi. |
| 03:50 | <cesurasean> | howdy |
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| 03:53 | <jmm> | eww monday mornings are not fun. |
| 03:54 | <jmm> | who's that stupid guy who said we have to wake up to go to works ? |
| 03:54 | <kubyz> | xD |
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| 03:56 | <ml|> | your boss? ;) |
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| 03:56 | <jmm> | I'm pretty sure the original idea come from somewhere else. |
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| 03:57 | <kamal> | does setting up selinux restrict software choice? |
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| 05:02 | <twb> | jmm: I do not wake up to go to work |
| 05:02 | <twb> | I leave the coffee and cereal AT work, so that I will have an incentive to go |
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| 05:03 | <twb> | kamal: it depends if you set up selinux to work, or to just sit there in permissive mode, allowing everything |
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| 05:03 | <twb> | kamal: ISTR that executables built by GHC don't yet play nice with selinux. |
| 05:03 | <twb> | (As an example.) |
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| 05:57 | <philipwn> | I have intel dual core e1280 cpu and I'm wondering which architecture exactly is the one that will do the job if I want my release to be 64-bit? Because there is AMD64 and Intel IA-64 and I'm not so sure what is IA-64. |
| 05:57 | <jm_> | !ia64 |
| 05:57 | <dpkg> | [ia64][ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
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| 05:57 | <philipwn> | thank you, so amd64 it is |
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| 06:08 | <vinicius> | how can i request to get a specific ip address to my dhcp server? |
| 06:09 | <vinicius> | oops... FROM my dhcp server |
| 06:09 | <fred1> | configure the dhcp server to assign you that address |
| 06:09 | <fred1> | most support being able to do so based on your ethernet address |
| 06:09 | <fred1> | or, if you want a particular machine to have a fixed address, just set it to that specifically, and ignore dhcp |
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| 06:10 | <fred1> | most dhcp servers will do an arp check before assigning an address, so you should be reasonably safe from that address being assigned to something else |
| 06:11 | <fred1> | most safest would be to use an address outside of the range that the dhcp server is configured to manage |
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| 06:13 | <vinicius> | fred1, i can't do that... my router don't support ip assignment by mac address or anything |
| 06:13 | <vinicius> | fred1, i need the machine to be internet connected |
| 06:13 | <vinicius> | i can't do that... my router don't support ip assignment by mac address or anything |
| 06:13 | <vinicius> | fred1, i need the machine to be internet connected |
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| 06:15 | <vinicius> | fred1, humn... ok |
| 06:15 | <fred1> | seems unusual |
| 06:15 | <fred1> | most routers do.. but, like I said, you could instead just use a fixed assignment |
| 06:15 | <vinicius> | do you mean doing things like ifconfig eth0 address x.x.x.x ? |
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| 06:15 | <fred1> | is this a normal 'home' router doing NAT? |
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| 06:16 | <jorge> | hi |
| 06:16 | <vinicius> | fred1, yes |
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| 06:16 | <fred1> | ok, so its using something like 192.168.1.x |
| 06:16 | <fred1> | it should have some sort of configuration, where you tell it what range of addresses to manage with dhcp |
| 06:16 | <fred1> | perhaps 2-32, or 33-64, something |
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| 06:17 | <fred1> | check that, and assign this box a fixed IP, within the range of the LAN, but outside the dhcp range |
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| 06:17 | <fred1> | if the 'mask' is 255.255.255.0, then the range of the lan is 1-254, exluding whatever address the router itself is using |
| 06:17 | <fred1> | usually .1 |
| 06:17 | <vinicius> | fred1, will that work even if its out of the range? |
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| 06:18 | <Nabilou> | Hi all, I installed a local debian mirror... But it doesn't want to install dependencies with apt-get. Btw it works fine with aptitude |
| 06:18 | <Nabilou> | Do you have any ideas please? |
| 06:18 | <fred1> | so use aptitude |
| 06:18 | <fred1> | it can do everything apt-get can, and often better |
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| 06:19 | <fred1> | fyi it can work from the cli with the same arguments apt-get does, there is no need to launch its interactive mode |
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| 06:19 | <themill> | Nabilou: you'd need to pastebin the commands you gave and the entire output if you want help with that. |
| 06:19 | <fred1> | themill, morning |
| 06:20 | <themill> | hi |
| 06:20 | <fred1> | !coffee themill |
| 06:20 | * | dpkg decants a fine brew of organic Peruvian for themill, courtesy of fred1 |
| 06:20 | <fred1> | ah that does work |
| 06:20 | <vinicius> | fred1, well... if i try arbitrarily to set an ip internet wont work |
| 06:20 | <vinicius> | fred1, even if noone has this ip |
| 06:20 | <fred1> | vinicius, it cant be *arbitrary*. it needs to be in the range that the router expects to be on the lan |
| 06:20 | <fred1> | you also need to set the default route |
| 06:20 | <fred1> | netmask, dns, etc |
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| 06:21 | <vinicius> | fred1, ok |
| 06:21 | <fred1> | vinicius, lets try this with specifics |
| 06:21 | <fred1> | what ip address is the router at? |
| 06:21 | <fred1> | and what netmask is this lan using? |
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| 06:21 | <msin> | hello |
| 06:21 | <jmm> | hi. |
| 06:22 | <msin> | could you tell me which is the best irc client for debian |
| 06:22 | <msin> | with scripting capabilities? |
| 06:22 | <petemc> | irssi |
| 06:22 | <klando> | there is no *best* |
| 06:22 | <fred1> | "best" is highly subjective |
| 06:22 | <klando> | but irssi is good :) |
| 06:22 | <fred1> | what is the "best" brand of car? or softdrink? |
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| 06:23 | <jmm> | the best is the on I use. |
| 06:23 | <fred1> | heh |
| 06:23 | <jmm> | stay in windows msin . |
| 06:23 | <jmm> | :) |
| 06:23 | <vinicius> | fred1, well.. i used /etc/network/interfaces to set everything |
| 06:23 | <msin> | i would like to have good scripting capabilities |
| 06:23 | <klando> | msin, you might want to try quassel, perhaps |
| 06:23 | <fred1> | vinicius, what ip is the router at. what netmask is the lan using |
| 06:23 | <fred1> | msin, so try some out |
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| 06:24 | <klando> | msin, I think that pretty all irc client have sript capa |
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| 06:24 | <fred1> | msin, peruse your choice of 'list of debian packages', pick one that looks promising, install it, and see if it works for you. if its perfect, then great, if not, then try an.... |
| 06:25 | <vinicius> | fred1, the router is configured to assign 192.168.1.2 to .50.. |
| 06:25 | <fred1> | vinicius, what is the ip address of the router itself |
| 06:25 | <fred1> | .1 ? |
| 06:25 | <vinicius> | fred1, the pc i want to have fixed ip is set up to .200 on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:25 | <fred1> | vinicius, what is the ip address of the router itself |
| 06:25 | <vinicius> | the router is .1 |
| 06:25 | <fred1> | ok |
| 06:25 | <fred1> | and what netmask is it using |
| 06:25 | <vinicius> | 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:26 | <philipwn> | let's say i have a /dev/sda4 partition, that makes it hd(0,3 or 4)? |
| 06:26 | <fred1> | ok.. then the first step, would be to assign .200 with the same netmask, to your PC. |
| 06:26 | <fred1> | then restart networking, and see if it can ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:26 | <fred1> | if so, then that part worked |
| 06:26 | <vinicius> | ok... wait some |
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| 06:26 | <vinicius> | fred1, the other pc is in another room =D |
| 06:26 | <fred1> | ok, if that works, come back, there is more |
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| 06:27 | <fred1> | hurry, i have to leave in 10 minutes |
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| 06:28 | <vinicius> | fred1, well.. it is on .200 and can ping .1 |
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| 06:28 | <vinicius> | fred1, but has no internet |
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| 06:28 | <fred1> | ok, like I said there is more |
| 06:29 | <fred1> | you need to do two more things: |
| 06:29 | <fred1> | 1. set a default route to the router (192.168.1.1) |
| 06:29 | <fred1> | 2. set dns (most often the router itself does dns too) |
| 06:29 | <vinicius> | fred1, humn.. ok... i thing only the default route is missing |
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| 06:29 | <fred1> | in ./interfaces |
| 06:29 | <vinicius> | fred1, dns is ok on resolv.conf |
| 06:29 | <fred1> | add |
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| 06:30 | <fred1> | for the eth interface that you put .200 on |
| 06:30 | <fred1> | add: gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:30 | <vinicius> | fred1, ok... |
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| 06:30 | <vinicius> | fred1, just that? |
| 06:30 | <Nabilou> | themill, Here is the message : http://pastebin.com/d693717b9 |
| 06:31 | <xororand> | is there a way to list all installed packages including the repository they are from? (e.g. debian-multimedia stable, debian sid, lamaresh sid, ...) |
| 06:31 | <vinicius> | fred1, ill see if that works |
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| 06:31 | <perk> | xororand, apt-cache policy |
| 06:31 | <xororand> | thank you perk |
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| 06:32 | <themill> | !which repo |
| 06:32 | <dpkg> | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 06:32 | <themill> | xororand: ^^ |
| 06:32 | <vinicius> | fred1, that worked... awesome... thanks! |
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| 06:32 | <themill> | Nabilou: the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy openoffice.org" would be handy too. |
| 06:32 | <fred1> | vinicius, have fun |
| 06:32 | <vinicius> | fred1, =D |
| 06:33 | <vinicius> | fred1, have to work... no fun at all |
| 06:33 | <xororand> | themill: great script. added it on all my debian boxes |
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| 06:35 | <vinicius> | is there any way of making the computers of this network to get the hostnames from one computer? |
| 06:36 | <Nabilou> | themill, http://pastebin.com/d1e41ca9e for apt-cache policy |
| 06:36 | <vinicius> | i mean... line an index of hostnames |
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| 06:37 | <Nabilou> | themill, http://pastebin.com/d705272cc for apt-cache policy openoffice.org |
| 06:37 | <petemc> | vinicius: thats called dns |
| 06:37 | <vinicius> | petemc, o lmpw |
| 06:38 | <vinicius> | petemc, i want only local hostnames |
| 06:38 | <vinicius> | petemc, a router can do that? |
| 06:39 | <petemc> | sure |
| 06:39 | <themill> | Nabilou: the output of "apt-cache policy openoffice.org-calc" would be good too |
| 06:41 | <vinicius> | petemc, well... ill try to learn more about that |
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| 06:41 | <fred1> | vinicius, in most cases, your router does dns resolution |
| 06:42 | <fred1> | oh.. local |
| 06:42 | <vinicius> | fred1, but can i add local machines there? |
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| 06:42 | <fred1> | depends on the router |
| 06:42 | <vinicius> | fred1, humn... i think you get it now |
| 06:42 | <vinicius> | fred1, i dont think my router can do that |
| 06:42 | <fred1> | you cvould run a local dns. |
| 06:42 | <vinicius> | fred1, humn... nice.. |
| 06:42 | <fred1> | of coursr you'dpresumable want it to be able to look up outside as well |
| 06:43 | <fred1> | might be simpler just to use old-style /etc/hosts replication ;) |
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| 06:43 | <vinicius> | fred1, i have windows machines too |
| 06:43 | <fred1> | also, depends on how often they will be changing, and wether you want to 'dynamic' assigned ones to have names too |
| 06:43 | <vinicius> | fred1, i dont want to instruct every user to change their hosts tab |
| 06:43 | <fred1> | what router do you have |
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| 06:44 | <vinicius> | fred1, its a dlink2610 |
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| 06:45 | <fred1> | hrm.. ok.. i dunno |
| 06:45 | <fred1> | you could setup a WINS server |
| 06:45 | <fred1> | for the windows machines, anyway |
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| 06:46 | <fred1> | your windows machines are probably using either your router, or your isp's DNS anyway, and you'd have to change that |
| 06:46 | <vinicius> | fred1, humn... ok |
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| 06:46 | <fred1> | anyway, i gotta run |
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| 06:48 | <Nabilou> | themill, here it is http://pastebin.com/d3251e897 |
| 06:50 | <themill> | Nabilou: that's really weird. I can't explain why apt-get was unhappy, unless you ran "aptitude update" in between (or you have aptitude configured to automatically update) |
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| 06:59 | <Slydder1> | hey all |
| 07:00 | <Slydder1> | have a bit of a problem with dh_shlibdeps while rebuilding a package. I issue the following in the rules file and still get a packaging error that the lib can't be found. dh_shlibdeps -Llibmysqlclient16 -ldebian/libmysqlclient16/opt/planetic/mysql51/lib but libmysqlclient.so.16 is there and found by the other packages. any ideas? |
| 07:00 | <OdyX> | Slydder1: why are you linking with things in /opt ? |
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| 07:02 | <Slydder1> | because it's a build just for our servers which is completely installed in /opt. along with a special build of PHP5 as well. |
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| 07:06 | <zeev> | could somebody, please, help me to configure my wifi (intel)... |
| 07:07 | <themill> | zeev: precisely what card is it? "lspci -nn | grep -i net" will tell us |
| 07:07 | <zeev> | I have "device not ready" in my network manager (squeeze) |
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| 07:08 | <zeev> | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4229] (rev 61) |
| 07:08 | <themill> | !iwlwifi |
| 07:08 | <dpkg> | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:08 | <themill> | zeev: at a wild guess, you don't have the "firmware-iwlwifi" package installed. |
| 07:09 | <zeev> | i'll check... |
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| 07:13 | <zeev> | themill: how do I add non-free to the synaptic package manager? |
| 07:15 | <themill> | zeev: I've not touched synaptic for over 5 years.... I'd edit /etc/apt/sources.list to do so, adding "contrib non-free" to the end of the mirror and security lines that currently end in "main". You can put your sources.list in a pastebin if you want someone to check them for you. /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 07:15 | <themill> | !non-free sources |
| 07:15 | <dpkg> | rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 07:20 | <zeev> | themill: you were right, it wasn't installed |
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| 07:21 | <themill> | zeev: installing that package and then "modprobe -r iwl4965; modprobe iwl4965" should be all that's needed then. |
| 07:22 | <zeev> | do I have to do it only once or allways after restart? |
| 07:23 | <themill> | just once should be enough. |
| 07:23 | <zeev> | right now I see my access point, thank you |
| 07:23 | <zeev> | just another question... |
| 07:24 | <zeev> | rigth now I'm connected through my N900 using gsm connection |
| 07:24 | <zeev> | and the network manager doesn't determine speed of the connection, why? |
| 07:24 | <gsimmons> | themill: The iwl4965 module doesn't exist anymore, it's now handled by iwlagn (since 2.6.30, probably earlier). |
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| 07:25 | <zeev> | I think I have problems with the speed jumping between 300B and 300KB |
| 07:25 | <themill> | gsimmons: oh? There we go then. That will be useful to know when I upgrade mrs themill's laptop to squeeze :) |
| 07:25 | <zeev> | and I don't know what is the reason for this... |
| 07:26 | <zeev> | is it provider's technical problem? |
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| 08:14 | <solar_sea> | Hello. I've installed lenny-amd64 on a machine with a 6200 nvidia graphics card. I'm able to download/compile/use the prebuild module, however any of those options results in "The NVIDIA GPU at PCI:1:0:0 is not supported by the 173.14.09 NVIDIA Driver" What version should I install ? As a side note, X doesn't work either with the "nv" driver, apparently due to the lack of explicitly defines screens in xorg.conf. It works with Driver "vesa" though. Thanks for |
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| 08:23 | <jm_> | solar_sea: interesting, README.txt.gz for 173.14 says 6200 is supported |
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| 08:31 | <friedl> | hi |
| 08:32 | <solar_sea> | My bad, It has a sticker saying GF-GT220 |
| 08:32 | <solar_sea> | I guess 6200 was my old card, it defected and got replaced |
| 08:33 | <solar_sea> | Does the nvidia driver in testing support gt220 ? |
| 08:34 | <jm_> | you need a newer driver, from sid |
| 08:35 | <jm_> | testing has the same version as stable |
| 08:35 | <solar_sea> | Is there a backported version ? |
| 08:35 | <jm_> | it's rather trivial to do so yourself |
| 08:36 | <solar_sea> | I'll be using this machine for coding @ work, I'm somewhat afraid of sid :D |
| 08:36 | <solar_sea> | by pinning ? |
| 08:36 | <jm_> | you just need nvidia packages from sid - i recommend downloading by hand with the help of packages.debian.org |
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| 08:41 | <ktdr> | you can install nvidia-kernel-source 190.53-1 from sid and install on stable with module-assistant |
| 08:43 | <solar_sea> | I suppose I need the nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-module and nvidia-settings ? |
| 08:44 | <solar_sea> | I've got build-essential & m-a, I'll try to follow the wiki article for compiling it |
| 08:45 | <ktdr> | you need first of all nvidia-kernel-source, and after compiling it you have to install corresponding nvidia-glx... if you need you can install alsa nvidia-settings |
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| 08:45 | <ktdr> | i can explain how to install nvidia from sid on stable |
| 08:45 | <jm_> | good, so I won't have to do it ;) |
| 08:46 | <ktdr> | :) |
| 08:46 | <ktdr> | i'm using testing, but my nvidia driver and my kernel are from unstable) |
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| 08:48 | <ktdr> | here -- http://tldp.org/LDP/LG/issue86/tougher.html -- is a very good howto |
| 08:48 | <ktdr> | it explains how to install deb-packages from any debian distro using apt |
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| 08:59 | <mixter_> | hi! i've just expanded the raid-system on a server with a new disk. could i get the kernel to detect the new, larger, size of the disk without rebooting? |
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| 09:01 | <jm_> | mixter_: doesn't it do that automatically? you mean you want to resize fs? |
| 09:02 | <mixter_> | jm_: no, if i run fdisk or parted, the "disk" itself is still missing the extra space i've added |
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| 09:02 | <jm_> | mixter_: what kind of disk is it? |
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| 09:05 | <mixter_> | jm_: it's a ibm serveraid controller (adaptec based raid controller i think) and i've just added another disk and resized the array |
| 09:06 | <mixter_> | jm_: the array was resized using a cli tool from ibm/adaptec so the server hasn't booted yet with the new size |
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| 09:07 | <mixter_> | jm_: previously i've just rebooted to get the kernel to see the new space, but it would be better if one could get the kernel to detect the new size without a reboot (more sleep for me instead of getting up at night and rebooting the server ;-) ) |
| 09:07 | <jm_> | mixter_: try using /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
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| 09:10 | <mixter_> | jm_: nope :-/ didn't work... |
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| 09:11 | <jm_> | mixter_: hmm maybe one needs to use a tool specific for this controller, sorry out of my league |
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| 09:12 | <mixter_> | jm_: i got a new command to use with google :-) thanks! i'll search some more |
| 09:12 | <jm_> | mixter_: that's just echoing to some files in sys or proc, I forgot which |
| 09:13 | <jm_> | there's also scsiadd, but I assume it will be the same |
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| 09:14 | <solar_sea> | after installing those from sid + some dependencies it works fine, thanks :) |
| 09:14 | <mixter_> | jm_: ok... thanks! |
| 09:15 | <ambuli> | Hi all, for the testing purpose i am trying to create two different set of binaries from dput source code for different methods. Could someone help me out ? |
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| 09:21 | <adm> | hello |
| 09:21 | <adm> | can anybody help me ? |
| 09:22 | <edhunter> | adm: it depends on the problem |
| 09:22 | <adm> | hablais espaƱol ? |
| 09:22 | <OdyX> | !es |
| 09:22 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:22 | <adm> | I configured a dancer-ircd server |
| 09:22 | <adm> | to connect users in a localhost |
| 09:23 | <adm> | and when the server go to authentificate me |
| 09:23 | <adm> | i can't identificate |
| 09:23 | <adm> | with root |
| 09:23 | <adm> | you know edhunter |
| 09:23 | <adm> | ? |
| 09:24 | <locklace> | !slap adm |
| 09:24 | * | dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across adm's face |
| 09:24 | <locklace> | !space bar |
| 09:24 | <dpkg> | The space bar is the correct way to separate connected sentences on IRC. Please use it. The Return/Enter key is not a substitute. |
| 09:24 | <edhunter> | adm: sorry. i dont even know what a dancer-ircd server is |
| 09:24 | <locklace> | adm: and for the love of god: "authenticate" and "identify" |
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| 09:24 | <adm> | lock |
| 09:25 | <adm> | how ? |
| 09:25 | <adm> | in a command line of mirc ? |
| 09:25 | <locklace> | what version of debian are you using |
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| 09:26 | <adm> | 5 |
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| 09:27 | <Ajurna> | s'up |
| 09:28 | <edhunter> | hi Ajurna |
| 09:29 | <edhunter> | TUD i see ;) |
| 09:29 | <Ajurna> | are you in my network ? ^^ |
| 09:30 | <Ajurna> | no you aren't ... greetings still |
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| 09:30 | <edhunter> | Ajurna: too lazy to go to uni :p |
| 09:31 | <Ajurna> | question concerning dm_crypt: is the password kept in ram after the disk is decrypted ? I've seen a presentation about "cold booting", they claimed to have found the keys in RAM after shut-down, but they also said it would be fixed. Anyone with insight into this ? |
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| 09:32 | <edhunter> | Ajurna: first time i hear of this but would be interested to learn more.. |
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| 09:35 | <Ajurna> | there's a video from a talk at 25C3 convention http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/congress/25C3/video_h264_720x576/25c3-2922-en-advanced_memory_forensics:_the_cold_boot_attacks.mp4 |
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| 10:05 | <hakanbey> | how can i check drivers that i should install on my debian? |
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| 10:06 | <dr|z3d> | hakanbey: First identify what drivers you think are missing. |
| 10:06 | <petemc> | hakanbey: you may not need to install anything, but if you do, a good clue is non functioning hardware |
| 10:07 | <dr|z3d> | Test your hardware, in other words.. webcams, scanners, printers, soundcard, network, wifi etc. |
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| 10:10 | <hakanbey> | i understand but for example i installed display driver how can i check it? was it installed? |
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| 10:12 | <Ajurna> | do you have functionality ? |
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| 10:15 | <hakanbey> | what is functionality :( |
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| 10:16 | <petemc> | you can check the xorg log to see which driver it used |
| 10:17 | <hakanbey> | how i do it? sorry, i am new. |
| 10:17 | <ambuli> | hi all, i am creating two binary package b1 and b2 from source package s1, and how can i make sure at any given point of time either of b1 or b2 can be installed ? |
| 10:18 | <petemc> | kaziem: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:18 | <petemc> | there may be more direct ways to check.. |
| 10:18 | <OdyX> | ambuli: what are you trying to do ? |
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| 10:19 | <OdyX> | ambuli: avoiding the install of b1 AND b2 ? |
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| 10:19 | <ambuli> | No, if b1 is installed already then it should not allow to install b2. |
| 10:19 | <ambuli> | and vice versa. |
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| 10:20 | <OdyX> | and how is it different to avoid the installation of both together as I told ' |
| 10:21 | <OdyX> | ambuli: you could use the Conflicts: field |
| 10:22 | <ambuli> | I mentioned that, also i have mentioned in Replaces: field also. ie. in b1 -> conflcts: b2 replaces: b2, in b2 -> conflicts:b1 replaces:b1 |
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| 10:22 | <ambuli> | but if i install b2 after b1 it simply installs. |
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| 10:39 | <Teow> | I'm trying to compile the 2.6.27 kernel but it gives a lot of errors in scripts/basic/fixdep.c |
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| 10:40 | <koollman> | you must be doing something wrong |
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| 10:41 | <ambuli> | why dpkg -r pkgname is not removing certain configuraiton files also ?? |
| 10:41 | <ambuli> | why do i have to run dpkg --purge pkgname to remove that ? |
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| 10:42 | <rjent> | Greetings, if a user wants to rsync on login against a master data server documents and home dir contents is there a package in the repositories specifically for this OR is rsync and a custom logon currently what a person would have to use? |
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| 10:43 | <Teow> | hmm |
| 10:43 | <themill> | ambuli: that's quite deliberate. "man dpkg" is quite explicity about the difference between "deinstall" and "purge". |
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| 10:44 | <Teow> | is there a way to automatically download all dependencies? |
| 10:44 | <Teow> | the server i'm installing it on has no internet |
| 10:44 | <Teow> | so i keep walking back and forward with an USB stick.. |
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| 10:45 | <Teow> | i got gcc.dep, then i need to walk back for some lib, then the lib has dependencies too, it's like an infinite loop |
| 10:45 | <Teow> | isn't there a tool that add everything to one .tar.gz? |
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| 10:45 | <themill> | !apt-zip |
| 10:45 | <dpkg> | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
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| 11:01 | <Nabilou> | Hi, I've a problem starting tftpd-hpa on boot |
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| 11:03 | <Nabilou> | RUN_DAEMON is set to "yes" in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa |
| 11:03 | <Nabilou> | but doesn't want to start$ |
| 11:03 | <petemc> | are there symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ ? |
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| 11:20 | <rjent> | I have a user account on a system with shell set to /bin/false, can I allow them to run sudo commands? |
| 11:21 | <rjent> | s/commands/commands only/ |
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| 11:23 | <BlackFate> | rjent, if its set to false... then how will they be able to execute anycommands in the first place? |
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| 11:24 | <rjent> | BlackFate: Yes I understand, but the application is a running daemon with a web interface. I want to add a cli to config some files then build a web interface to the cli, but I want to take all security precautions I can so that is why I am asking. |
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| 11:25 | <rjent> | I figure I am going to have to set a shell and I do not want to do that |
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| 11:26 | <rjent> | So I suppose I should write the web interface and in the daemon code add the edit features I want. Unless someone has a magic idea I can use. |
| 11:26 | <BlackFate> | rjent, you can disable the ttys |
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| 11:27 | <BlackFate> | rjent, you can just reject every login from ttys just by editing /etc/security/access.conf |
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| 11:27 | <rjent> | BlackFate: looking mom |
| 11:28 | <rjent> | Interesting |
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| 11:31 | <Alpha_x> | Hello, i was wondering wheter anyone could give me some information on what kind of app or program you need to: Login in on a windows klient and authenticate it with username and password, get acess to the files you have permission to acess and print. |
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| 11:32 | <Alpha_x> | does openLDAP do the thing? |
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| 11:35 | <musca> | smbclient - a comandline-SMB/CIFS-Clients for Unix |
| 11:35 | <Alpha_x> | so all i need is samba then? |
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| 11:36 | <musca> | Alpha_x: don't mix up server and client |
| 11:37 | <Alpha_x> | i have only played with clients so far, im trying to figure out how to get a linuxserver with windwosclients working |
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| 11:38 | <Alpha_x> | samba is used to acess files on the linux server? But how do I get the login that i log on to windows with to me being able to print thru the printserver and acess my files. |
| 11:40 | <musca> | samba is capable of building windows-domains |
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| 11:40 | <Alpha_x> | okay, thanks |
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| 11:45 | <kop> | Alpha_x: Or use the winbindd package. I found the samba wiki very helpful in getting that going (don't forget to restart your daemons.) |
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| 11:48 | <Alpha_x> | its says its to resolve user and group information from NT servers. I planned on going the other way.. Can i do that to? |
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| 11:49 | <petemc> | yes |
| 11:50 | <Alpha_x> | ok, tanks. |
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| 12:00 | <xente> | hi..is there a package that contains the java api documentation? |
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| 12:07 | <themill> | xente: classpath-doc, perhaps? |
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| 12:07 | <xente> | themill: indeed. I will try it |
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| 12:09 | <vvas> | openjdk-6-doc might be a better choice; depending on which implementation you're actually using, obviously |
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| 12:10 | <themill> | yeah, was just looking at that |
| 12:10 | <xente> | me too... |
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| 12:12 | <ambuli> | how can i remove the package even though some dependent package is available ? |
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| 12:15 | <ambuli> | could someone help me ? |
| 12:15 | <themill> | !wayttd ambuli |
| 12:15 | <dpkg> | What Are You Trying To Do, ambuli? |
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| 12:16 | <ambuli> | i am trying to remove a package and on which other 2 packages are depend on. |
| 12:17 | <ambuli> | but somehow i would like to remove irrespective of dependencies !!! |
| 12:17 | <vvas> | why? |
| 12:17 | <themill> | how do you think that will work? |
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| 12:18 | <ambuli> | would like to install new package which have a conflict with the package which i am supposed to replace. |
| 12:19 | <themill> | ahh... so "aptitude install packageyouwant packagetoremove_" |
| 12:19 | <ambuli> | (p1,p2) -> depends on (p3) and would like to replace (p3) with (p4) and (p3) and (p4) have conflicts each other. |
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| 12:20 | <ambuli> | themill, 'packageyouwant' i have it as .deb file. |
| 12:20 | <themill> | but that won't work unless p1's dep was "p3|p4" (or done through virtual packages) |
| 12:20 | <vvas> | or provides |
| 12:20 | <kop> | themill: Wouldn't "aptitude install packageyouwant packagetoremove-" be safer? |
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| 12:20 | <themill> | kop: depends if you like conffiles being left behind or not |
| 12:21 | <kop> | ambuli: Unless you're feeling like you know what you're doing you should be using packages from the debian repositories, not .deb files. |
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| 12:22 | <ambuli> | kop, true, but it is a new package with same functionality of the existing one. Still not in the repo. |
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| 13:39 | <adisonline> | suppose that i have this file http://pastebin.ca/1765458 . what is the sed command to replace globaly the caracter <a> to <q> and the caracter <e> to <o> AND THEN print the new modified file to a file eg test.txt |
| 13:39 | <adisonline> | is soething like sed -i 's/{a}/q/g;s/{e}/o/g;' /pathtoinputfile > test.txt ????? |
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| 13:47 | <fred1> | if you want to globally replace individual characters, 'tr' might be simpler |
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| 13:47 | <fred1> | echo "ABC" | tr "A" "Z" |
| 13:47 | <fred1> | ZBC |
| 13:48 | <fred1> | but sed can work: echo "ABC" | sed 's/A/Z/g' |
| 13:48 | <fred1> | ZBC |
| 13:48 | <fred1> | echo "ABC" | sed 's/A/Z/g' | sed 's/B/Q/g' |
| 13:48 | <fred1> | ZQC |
| 13:49 | <fred1> | as far as files, simpler to say: |
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| 13:49 | <fred1> | cat file | sed 'sed commands here' > output |
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| 13:53 | <adisonline> | fred1: let me explain what i want to make |
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| 13:53 | <adisonline> | i have a greek spelling language and want to make it a greeklish spelling language |
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| 13:54 | <adisonline> | greeklish= greek words written with latin caracters |
| 13:54 | <fred1> | you want to change individual characters in a file, i thought |
| 13:54 | <fred1> | as long as it one char for one char, 'tr' might be more appropriate |
| 13:54 | <adisonline> | i m thinking something like that with sed http://pastebin.ca/1765487 |
| 13:55 | <chealer> | does xul-ext-firebug 1.5.0-1 work for others? |
| 13:55 | <fred1> | ive got to admit im not familar with the use of {} |
| 13:55 | <fred1> | ive never used that, not sure what purpose it serves |
| 13:55 | <adisonline> | append a characher |
| 13:56 | <adisonline> | airolib-ng |
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| 13:57 | <adisonline> | fred1: there is no greek dictionaries for airolib-ng so decie to make one |
| 13:57 | <adisonline> | :) |
| 13:57 | <fred1> | you are using it where you are matching characters, not where you are changing them |
| 13:57 | <fred1> | normal syntax to change one character is |
| 13:57 | <fred1> | sed 's/X/Y/g' |
| 13:57 | <fred1> | change X into Y |
| 13:57 | <fred1> | not sure why you'd need to add {} |
| 13:58 | <adisonline> | but if x is in a word?? |
| 13:58 | <adisonline> | is it recognised?? |
| 13:58 | <fred1> | why wouldnt it be? |
| 13:58 | <adisonline> | dont know |
| 13:58 | <adisonline> | just assume |
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| 13:59 | <fred1> | id suggest testing.. in fact, you might want to make a file with just a few words.. and then try transforming just some of the characters, and check the result |
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| 13:59 | <adisonline> | it takes too much time |
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| 13:59 | <adisonline> | in that way |
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| 14:00 | <fred1> | what does? testing? |
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| 14:00 | <fred1> | just do it once, do test it.. see if/how it works as you expect |
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| 14:00 | <adisonline> | fred how can accomplish that with tr??? |
| 14:00 | <fred1> | if it does, then use the whole file with the whole transformations |
| 14:00 | <fred1> | man tr |
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| 14:01 | <adisonline> | thanks |
| 14:01 | <fred1> | echo AAABBBCCC | tr "AC" "GD" |
| 14:01 | <fred1> | GGGBBBDDD |
| 14:01 | <adisonline> | go to try it |
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| 14:13 | <ultras> | Š·Š“ŃŠ°Š²ŃŃŠ²ŃŠ¹ŃŠµ |
| 14:15 | <fred1> | !en |
| 14:15 | <dpkg> | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
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| 14:15 | <fred1> | !ru |
| 14:15 | <dpkg> | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:15 | <Jawka> | eh |
| 14:15 | <fred1> | eh what? |
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| 14:25 | < | \3TATUK> How can I lookup which package provides /usr/bin/totem ? |
| 14:26 | < | \3TATUK> Will change descriptions for the currently available updates ever likely be provided? (libc6/libc6-dev/libc6-i686/locales) |
| 14:26 | <themill> | \3TATUK: dlocate $(readlink -f /usr/bin/totem) ; (use dpkg -S if you don't have readlink) |
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| 14:27 | < | \3TATUK> thanks |
| 14:27 | <fred1> | hrm |
| 14:28 | < | \3TATUK> how comes packages.debian.org doesn't return results though? |
| 14:28 | <themill> | descriptions other than what's in the package changelog? |
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| 14:28 | < | \3TATUK> I mean the description available in the update-manager GUI... |
| 14:28 | <themill> | \3TATUK: totem is managed by the alternatives system (hence the readlink in there) |
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| 14:28 | <gdb> | \3TATUK: You can also use http://packages.debian.org/ to look up information like that. |
| 14:28 | <themill> | gdb: no you can't in this case. |
| 14:28 | <gdb> | Oh, well, if it's managed by alternatives, then that won't work. |
| 14:28 | <gdb> | heh yes |
| 14:28 | < | \3TATUK> It just says 'The list of changes is not available yet. Please try again later.' for those four packages. |
| 14:29 | <fred1> | ok, so I recently picked up a new dvd writer, and neither wodim nor k3b want to play nice with it.. wodim says 'unable to load media' (even though ive already loaded it). and k3b, seems to cycle finding and then losing the fact that theres a disk in |
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| 14:29 | <themill> | \3TATUK: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.3.6.ds1-13etch10/changelog ? |
| 14:29 | <fred1> | ive tried with both 8x and 16x media.. lets see if a cdr makes it happy |
| 14:30 | < | \3TATUK> themill: i said libc6 not glibc? |
| 14:30 | <fred1> | ok, it seems happy with a cdr |
| 14:30 | <themill> | \3TATUK: libc6 is a binary package provided by the glibc source package. |
| 14:31 | < | \3TATUK> `update-manager` is saying it wants to upgrade from 2.7-18 to 2.718lenny2 |
| 14:31 | < | \3TATUK> Maybe you need a screenshot? |
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| 14:32 | < | \3TATUK> Also for the future I'll make sure to follow through all symlinks before searching for a provider of a binary on packages.debian.org |
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| 14:32 | <themill> | \3TATUK: ahh... security updates take a while to appear on changelogs. http://pastebin.ca/1765561 |
| 14:32 | <themill> | You can always download the .deb and look inside a the changelog yourself (e.g. with mc). Or install apt-listchanges. |
| 14:33 | < | \3TATUK> Yeah, the latest updates came in a wake of 12 together I guess and all 12 started out without logs, then 8 of them got them in a few days and now I'm waiting on these last four, heh. |
| 14:33 | < | \3TATUK> Right, right.. but I just like to see the changelog in the standard GUI before I apply an update. Heh. |
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| 14:35 | <themill> | so use aptitude with apt-listchanges? |
| 14:36 | < | \3TATUK> aptitude isn't really GUI? heh |
| 14:36 | < | \3TATUK> The `update-notifier` and `update-manager` combination is nice. ;x |
| 14:37 | <themill> | xterm -e aptitude safe-upgrade? |
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| 14:37 | < | \3TATUK> Well let's just say update-manager is much more graphically interactive than aptitude, which I believe is ncurses-based. |
| 14:38 | <themill> | I suspect that doesn't really make much difference for a safe-upgrade |
| 14:39 | < | \3TATUK> Why would apt-listchanges be more responsive than update-manager as far as the changelog? |
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| 14:40 | <themill> | apt-listchanges grabs the changelog from the downloaded .deb. nfc what update-manager does, but it probably uses p.d.o |
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| 14:40 | < | \3TATUK> p.d.o? |
| 14:40 | < | \3TATUK> It seems to try grabbing info real-time through the Internet. |
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| 14:41 | < | \3TATUK> says 'Downloading list of changes...' then comes back that it's not available. |
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| 14:41 | <leoXX> | ciao |
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| 14:47 | < | \3TATUK> Will squeeze give the option of selecting either kFreeBSD or Linux from GRUB? |
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| 14:49 | <mase> | \3TATUK wha should that depend on squeeze? do you mean because of grub2 instead of grub1? |
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| 14:50 | <fred1> | squeeze isnt released yet, is it? |
| 14:50 | <chealer> | \3TATUK: not unless kFreeBSD is installed... |
| 14:50 | <chealer> | !tell fred1 about squeeze |
| 14:50 | <fred1> | heh.. yeah, that'd a new feature.. it offers to boot OS's that you havent installed ;) |
| 14:50 | < | \3TATUK> mase: Because squeeze is the first to ship with kFreeBSD. I'm talking about regardless of which version GRUB is. |
| 14:51 | < | \3TATUK> Seems like a good way to start out adding an entirely different kernel to Debian, though. Just in case some things that regularly worked in Linux don't work in kFreeBSD.. having the ability to easily switch between the two would be nice. |
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| 14:52 | <mase> | \3TATUK just asked because grub2 is a complete redesign of grub1; complete new configuration etc ... |
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| 14:52 | <fred1> | squeeze is going to include a freebsd kernel?! |
| 14:53 | < | \3TATUK> It probably already does. Heh. |
| 14:53 | <mase> | ? |
| 14:53 | < | \3TATUK> http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20091007 |
| 14:53 | <mase> | oh, but kfreebsd's-squeeze... |
| 14:54 | <fred1> | Hrm.. somehow I dont think it will be a single installation that you can boot either kernel.. i suspect which system you want to use will be something you choose at install |
| 14:54 | <fred1> | possibly by selecting which .iso to download |
| 14:54 | < | \3TATUK> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/kfreebsd-image-7-686 |
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| 14:55 | <mase> | so you are going to install kfreebsd and linux? |
| 14:55 | < | \3TATUK> And if you just upgrade an existing lenny system to squeeze, when it's stabilized? |
| 14:55 | < | \3TATUK> Linux is *already* installed. I hope a dist-upgrade will automatically grab kFreeBSD so I can try it out. I'm not really planning on manually installing it. |
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| 14:55 | <mase> | \3TATUK but linux and kfreebsd are different systems... |
| 14:56 | < | \3TATUK> And? |
| 14:56 | < | \3TATUK> Debian runs on both. |
| 14:57 | <mase> | yes, but i understand you want to upgrade a linux-lenny to kfreebsd-squeeze... i'm wron, right? |
| 14:57 | < | \3TATUK> Not exactly. |
| 14:57 | < | \3TATUK> Eventually I will upgrade my lenny SYSTEM to a squeeze SYSTEM. |
| 14:57 | < | \3TATUK> Currently, lenny only supports Linux. |
| 14:57 | <fred1> | i dont think you can have both kernels install in the same system, and be able to choose either.. either you have a linux system, or a kfreebsd system |
| 14:57 | < | \3TATUK> squeeze, though, supports both Linux AND kFreeBSD. |
| 14:58 | <fred1> | i think more accurate would be 'supports _either_ linux or kfreebsd' |
| 14:58 | <mase> | \3TATUK you need them in a parrallel way; can't use a debian-linux system with a kfreebsd kernel |
| 14:58 | < | \3TATUK> fred1: It supports *both*. |
| 14:58 | <fred1> | sure, and you choose which you want when you install |
| 14:58 | <mase> | \3TATUK but they are still different |
| 14:58 | < | \3TATUK> I've run GNU/Linux systems with multiple versions of the kernel and GRUB had no problem letting me choose between thome. |
| 14:58 | <fred1> | multiple versions of the *linux* kernel |
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| 14:59 | <mase> | \3TATUK debian is a kind of 'organization', providing both systems |
| 14:59 | < | \3TATUK> Look, are either of you running or helping develop squeeze? |
| 14:59 | <themill> | \3TATUK: Debian supports powerpc and amd64 but that doesn't mean you can upgrade your lenny amd64 system to support a powerpc kernel |
| 14:59 | <mase> | \3TATUK so the kfreebsd system is a different one than the linux system |
| 14:59 | < | \3TATUK> If not, then you likely can't truly answer my question of whether GRUB will support booting either. |
| 15:00 | <themill> | \3TATUK: you might want to go off and find out what kfreebsd really is. |
| 15:00 | <mase> | \3TATUK it probably will, but you need both systems, quite seperetated on partitions |
| 15:00 | < | \3TATUK> themill: powerpc and amd64 are CPU architectures ... kFreeBSD is an entire kernel, heh. |
| 15:00 | <themill> | !kfreebsd |
| 15:00 | <dpkg> | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:00 | <themill> | \3TATUK: and that kernel has a different userspace |
| 15:00 | <mase> | \3TATUK and the kfreebsd kernel will not work on a linux system |
| 15:01 | <themill> | or more precisely, a linux userland won't work on a kfreebsd kernel |
| 15:01 | <mase> | \3TATUK it still needs a kfreebsd system(installation) |
| 15:01 | <mase> | hey, many people, same opinion... |
| 15:02 | < | \3TATUK> themill: What's this about a ''linux userland''? Debian provides a *GNU* userland, which theoretically should run atop either Linux OR kFreeBSD. Maybe I'll take this to #debian-kbsd |
| 15:02 | <fred1> | basically, you'd have to recompile all the system libraries and binaries.. somehow I dont see grub offering that ability |
| 15:02 | <fred1> | the system binaries/libraries are compiled to work with a specific kernel |
| 15:03 | <mase> | \3TATUK just parrallel installations of the whole OS |
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| 15:03 | <mase> | \3TATUK parrallel installations of LINUX and KFREEBSD, not "just" the kernel |
| 15:03 | <themill> | \3TATUK: have a look at a random package written in C like perl on p.d.o: http://packages.debian.org/sid/perl notice that there are separate kfreebsd-i386 etc packages just like there are different ones for each architecture? |
| 15:05 | < | \3TATUK> fred1: GNU binaries are compiled for specific architecture targets. Who's to say you can't run a specific GNU binary on *either* Linux or kFreeBSD, assuming the same CPU architecture? |
| 15:05 | <mase> | \3TATUK don't be confused; linux is an OS, freebsd is an OS |
| 15:05 | < | \3TATUK> LINUX and KFREEBSD are "just" kernels. |
| 15:05 | <themill> | \3TATUK: that is, you have to select kfreebsd or linux at installation time (or more precisely, when you download the ISO). You can't have one on top of the other any more than you can run things compiled for macos under windows even though they're all x86 chips |
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| 15:05 | <mase> | \3TATUK GNU tools has to be compiled for either windows, linux, freebsd, hurd... |
| 15:05 | < | \3TATUK> Linux is not an OS. It's an OS kernel. |
| 15:05 | * | themill thinks this has run its course... |
| 15:06 | <sney> | grub could probably support booting both of them, but having them share a file structure would make both running systems mega confused |
| 15:06 | <fred1> | ok, then take a random linux binary, and copy it over to a freebsd machine. see if it runs. |
| 15:06 | <sney> | FreeBSD does have some ELF support, as I recall |
| 15:06 | <fred1> | yes, it has a linux-compat you can add. |
| 15:06 | <fred1> | but without that, it wont work |
| 15:07 | <mase> | i'm out |
| 15:07 | <fred1> | and even with it, its spotty |
| 15:07 | < | \3TATUK> themill: I'm pretty sure I could manually grab kfreebsd through apt if I wanted. I need to make a fresh install from an ISO. Heh. |
| 15:07 | <themill> | \3TATUK: you go right ahead and let me know how it goes |
| 15:08 | < | \3TATUK> Like I said, I'm not interested in manually installing kFreeBSD at this point. I'm just saying I *hope* it's automatically installed when squeeze is stabilized. Heh. |
| 15:08 | <themill> | \3TATUK: repeat after me "that's not the way it works" |
| 15:08 | <fred1> | \3TATUK, sure, if you download th3e squeeze-freebsd iso |
| 15:09 | <fred1> | if you download the squeeze-linux iso, then you'll get linux |
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| 15:09 | < | \3TATUK> I'm not talking about ISOs at this point. I'm talking about existing apt packaging. Why are you so hung over about ISOs? |
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| 15:09 | <fred1> | if you upgrade lenny to squeeze, you'll get linux |
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| 15:10 | < | \3TATUK> I already *have* Linux, so, no, I won't. |
| 15:10 | <themill> | \3TATUK: please shit up now and go and find out how the debian kfreebsd port works |
| 15:10 | <fred1> | as to whether you could upgrade in place from lenny to squeeze-kfreebsd, then ive no idea. perhaps themill does |
| 15:10 | <mase> | there are linux-squeeze AND kfreebsd-squeeze |
| 15:10 | <sney> | heh. shit up! |
| 15:10 | <sney> | I enjoy your typo, themill |
| 15:10 | <themill> | heh |
| 15:10 | <themill> | fred1: not a chance. You can't even do that from i386 to amd64 and they're at least compatible userspaces |
| 15:10 | < | \3TATUK> themill: No need to be a fucking asshole. I'm trying to find out about the port by asking. If you don't fucking know yourself maybe you need to shit the fuck up! |
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| 15:11 | <sney> | man, I think that guy was probably rolling from the get go |
| 15:11 | <themill> | \3TATUK: please take a break from #debian and go and read some of the links people have given you. |
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| 15:12 | <ialefe17> | oie |
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| 15:12 | <ialefe17> | tem alguem aqui? |
| 15:12 | <fred1> | anyone have any ideas on how I could figure out why neither wodim nor k3b seems to be able to recognize dvd blanks in a new burner i just got? |
| 15:12 | <fred1> | !es |
| 15:12 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:12 | <themill> | \3TATUK: please take a break from #debian and go and read some of the links people have given you. You are deeply mistaken about how it works and don't seem prepared to listen to the information you are being given. |
| 15:13 | <ialefe17> | alguem fala portugues? |
| 15:13 | <fred1> | !pr |
| 15:13 | <fred1> | er |
| 15:13 | <fred1> | !pt |
| 15:13 | <dpkg> | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 15:13 | <ialefe17> | um? |
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| 15:14 | <ialefe17> | oie? |
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| 15:14 | <Ganneff> | ialefe17: english only |
| 15:14 | <Ganneff> | !br |
| 15:14 | <dpkg> | Este canal Ć© apenas em inglĆŖs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:14 | <ialefe17> | gente me ajudem eu nem sei dar nĆ³ na gravata |
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| 15:15 | <ragnarok> | themill: Fuck you! |
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| 15:15 | <fred1> | perhaps those canned messages should have the appropriate translation of 'nothing personal, we just dont understand your language' |
| 15:15 | <sney`> | man, some people just get too cranked up |
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| 15:16 | <sney`> | if he already quit he's not going to have the same mibbit mask again if he rejoins |
| 15:16 | <sney`> | if you want to keep him out you'll need to give all of mibbit a time out |
| 15:16 | <maciek> | can i get some help here? |
| 15:16 | <sney`> | !ask |
| 15:16 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:16 | <maciek> | okej |
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| 15:18 | <maciek> | I installed non-free nividia drivers and everyting was ok. but after reboot my Lenny didn't find Realtek Audio card. |
| 15:18 | <maciek> | i used alsa |
| 15:18 | <ialefe17> | sock me |
| 15:19 | <mase> | sock me? |
| 15:19 | <ialefe17> | rs |
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| 15:19 | <ialefe17> | kkkk |
| 15:19 | <maciek> | it was to me? |
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| 15:19 | <ialefe17> | nooo |
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| 15:20 | <mase> | maciek i don't think that has anything to do with the nvidia-stuff |
| 15:20 | <maciek> | in my HOWTO thats all... |
| 15:20 | <mase> | maciek before rebooting, have you upgraded to new kernel? |
| 15:20 | <ialefe17> | hy |
| 15:21 | <retrospectacus> | ialefe17: please ask a question about Debian in English or leave |
| 15:21 | <maciek> | no i didnt upgrade. before reboot I wasn't on X |
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| 15:21 | <mase> | maciek does alsa-mixer show up any sound card? (terminal) |
| 15:22 | <maciek> | it only finds my camera-microfon on USB |
| 15:22 | <mase> | maciek tried alsa-conf? (in the case you are still on lenny) |
| 15:23 | <maciek> | i didnt tried - im new in linux and that was shock for me |
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| 15:23 | < | \3TATUK\> Does anyone have a Linux/kFreeBSD dual boot setup? |
| 15:23 | <mase> | maciek don't be shocked; everythink has a reason... ;D |
| 15:23 | <maciek> | i know ;] |
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| 15:24 | <mase> | \3TATUK\ never giving up, heh? |
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| 15:24 | <maciek> | wait im tring alsaconf. thanks! |
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| 15:25 | <fred1> | \3TATUK\, if you're so positive it can work, go do it yourself and see. |
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| 15:25 | <fred1> | themill is one of the veterans here, if he says it cant be done then its unlikely you are going to find anyone else here that can help you |
| 15:26 | <kenyon> | and post documentation about it |
| 15:26 | <fred1> | kenyon, lets not get our hopes up _too_ high now |
| 15:26 | <fred1> | :P |
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| 15:27 | <mase> | puh, but its strange for a person to have multiple "grub" installation managed,... for a person not knowing the difference between linux and kfreebsd |
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| 15:27 | <themill> | \3TATUK\: if you think it's going to work, why not just download one of the kfreebsd packages from packages.debian.org and extract things out of it to get it to work. Or since you believe you can install kfreebsd on linux machine with apt, why don't you go ahead and do so. |
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| 15:28 | <fred1> | well until he came in i wasnt even aware of squeeze being ported to it at all. |
| 15:28 | <themill> | It's obvious that you're not going to believe what we say, you need to try it yourself first. |
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| 15:33 | <ialefe17> | ooooooooooooooiiiiiiiiii |
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| 15:33 | <mase> | thanks |
| 15:33 | <fred1> | !tranq ialefe17 |
| 15:33 | <fred1> | oh sure, dpkg hands out beer and coffee but no tranquilizers |
| 15:34 | < | [Jason][Jason]> lol |
| 15:34 | <mase> | hehehe |
| 15:34 | < | \3TATUK\> Please look into supporting Linux/kFreeBSD dual-booting in squeeze! |
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| 15:34 | * | fred1 boggles |
| 15:35 | <mase> | oh man... |
| 15:35 | <maciek> | mase: thanks! alsaconf worked. ;) |
| 15:35 | <mase> | maciek oh really, but is the realtec-soundcard a ISA-card? |
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| 15:35 | <fred1> | ISA?! |
| 15:35 | <kenyon> | dual booting should work just like dual booting any other OSes. what's his problem. |
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| 15:36 | <maciek> | something about ISA was in console... |
| 15:36 | <fred1> | he wants to be able to switch between the kf kernel and the linux one, but boot the same system |
| 15:36 | <kenyon> | fred1: ah, well that seems highly unlikely. |
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| 15:37 | <mase> | fred1 because alsaconf is (was) the last step to get ISA cards working... |
| 15:37 | <fred1> | try telling him(her?) that |
| 15:37 | <mase> | maciek how old is your system? |
| 15:38 | <maciek> | my system? this means my PC or debian? |
| 15:38 | <fred1> | mase, I'm just surprised anyone would still be using an ISA system.. I mean, even PCI is getting dusty |
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| 15:39 | <mase> | fred1 We had this debate some time ago...; i still have some in my "thin-clients", 300Mhz |
| 15:39 | <mase> | maciek PC |
| 15:39 | <maciek> | my PC has 1 year. |
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| 15:39 | <mase> | maciek ? |
| 15:39 | <fred1> | mase, wow |
| 15:39 | <sney`> | probably no isa then |
| 15:39 | <mase> | no... |
| 15:39 | <sney`> | fred1: a lot of pci systems kept legacy isa slots for many years even after it was officially obsolete |
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| 15:39 | <fred1> | true, true.. but... ugh |
| 15:39 | <sney`> | and a 300mhz PII is plenty to just serve a screen and some input |
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| 15:40 | <sney`> | why get new hardware when you can reuse what you already have |
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| 15:40 | <fred1> | hey yer talking to a man with a closet full of hardware |
| 15:40 | <sney`> | got any vintage systems still in use? |
| 15:40 | <fred1> | old hardware.. I have a box of 2G scsi hard drives |
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| 15:41 | <maciek> | my Realtek is on MOBO ;) |
| 15:41 | <fred1> | the oldest thing I have running, at least that I can think of, is a PIII |
| 15:41 | <sney`> | pft |
| 15:41 | <fred1> | in use as a wintendo machine |
| 15:41 | <sney`> | that's practically modern |
| 15:41 | <fred1> | heh |
| 15:41 | <fred1> | I have some older stuff, but not currently in use |
| 15:41 | <mase> | maciek strange, maybe a upgrade would have also solved the problem... |
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| 15:42 | <fred1> | well, thats if we're talking just actual system |
| 15:42 | <fred1> | *s |
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| 15:42 | <fred1> | as far as hardware in general, my keyboard is probably older than any of you ;) |
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| 15:42 | <maciek> | i dont know. but it works... i have debian since yesterday |
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| 15:43 | <maciek> | my Keyboard is my first... 8 years ;P |
| 15:43 | <fred1> | if it works then thats all ya need |
| 15:43 | <sney`> | agreed |
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| 15:43 | <mase> | fred1 thin-clients with 300Mhz and above are still enough to watch DVD or hardly work via "remote" to an multicore-system |
| 15:43 | <sney`> | so why are you so disgusted by mase keeping his ISA boards :P |
| 15:43 | <fred1> | i wasnt disgusted |
| 15:43 | <maciek> | fred1: exacly |
| 15:43 | <fred1> | just surprised |
| 15:43 | <kamal> | I am able to mount my external usb hd using mount command as root but I can't access it from gnome using normal user. |
| 15:43 | <sney`> | kamal: what filesystem? |
| 15:44 | <fred1> | probably fat |
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| 15:44 | <kamal> | sney`: ntfs |
| 15:44 | <sney`> | !user accessible ntfs |
| 15:44 | <dpkg> | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 15:44 | <fred1> | same issue.. |
| 15:44 | <sney`> | hardly. ntfs is way more of a pain in the ass |
| 15:44 | <fred1> | true, but the ownership issue is the same with fat or ntfs |
| 15:45 | <fred1> | my ext HD, I put two partitions.. one small fat one at the beginning, the rest of it ext2 |
| 15:45 | <kamal> | sney`: yeah, I know the fstab method but I can't create an fstab entry for it every time I use it. |
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| 15:45 | <fred1> | and put windows ext2 drivers on the fat partition ;) |
| 15:45 | <sney`> | I just run ntfs-3g setuid root |
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| 15:45 | <sney`> | because it's my computer only so security holes are not really an issue |
| 15:45 | <fred1> | for the occasional windos-user that might want to share files with me |
| 15:46 | <sney`> | kamal: if you do the fstab entry by uuid instead of device name it'll associate properly every time |
| 15:46 | <maciek> | okey mates ;) i have to go! cya |
| 15:46 | <fred1> | another option would be to not mount it as root |
| 15:46 | <fred1> | but give non-root user permission to mount it |
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| 15:46 | <sney`> | right, chown the device to the user and run ntfs-3g setuid root. it works well but is not recommended for shared systems |
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| 15:47 | <fred1> | didnt mention if he was using gnome or not, but if so, gnome will automount removable drives in /media as the current user |
| 15:47 | <edbian> | Is there a way to set the permissions on a folder so that when files are placed inside (or created inside it) that the permissions are rw for everybody? |
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| 15:48 | <sney`> | that sounds like something I forgot from my LPI exam, edbian ;) |
| 15:48 | <fred1> | you can do setgid on a directory, but that will only set what group the files are, not what the actual perms are |
| 15:48 | <sney`> | something to do with masks |
| 15:49 | <fred1> | currently effective umask is what sets permission of any files created, and its not folder-specific |
| 15:49 | <kamal> | sney`: well how do I configure my friend's system who rarely takes my hd. |
| 15:49 | <fred1> | kamal, friend is windows or linux? |
| 15:50 | <fred1> | if its linux, then he should edumacte himself on the issue and configure it himself. |
| 15:50 | <edbian> | fred1: So is there no way to set the permissions based on what folder it's placed in? |
| 15:50 | <kamal> | fred1: linux |
| 15:50 | <fred1> | edbian, not with normal unix permission system |
| 15:50 | <edbian> | fred1: Ok thanks |
| 15:50 | <fred1> | perhaps an acl setup supports that |
| 15:50 | <fred1> | but im not familiar with that |
| 15:50 | <edbian> | fred1: I'll make a cron-job then I supposed |
| 15:51 | <edbian> | fred1: Can I umask based on user that created the file? |
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| 15:51 | <fred1> | umask is set on login |
| 15:51 | <mase> | fred acl with ntfs? does that work? |
| 15:51 | <fred1> | its like ulimit, etc.. |
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| 15:52 | <fred1> | mase, eh? i dont think the ntfs question and the umask question were related |
| 15:52 | <fred1> | different questioners |
| 15:52 | <mase> | fred1 oh, sorry |
| 15:52 | <k1lumin4t1> | is there any debian work on netbooks? |
| 15:52 | <mase> | fred1 missed some lines ;) |
| 15:52 | <sney`> | k1lumin4t1: tons |
| 15:52 | <kamal> | sney`, fred1 : in kde, these disks are mounted and ready to access through file manager. anything similar in gnome? |
| 15:52 | <sney`> | k1lumin4t1: mostly on the Asus EEE though |
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| 15:53 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney, hmm..what about dell inspiron mini? |
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| 15:53 | <sney`> | k1lumin4t1: not sure, but I think there was a page on the debian wiki |
| 15:53 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney, what I'm looking for is some netbook optimized debian port, if such |
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| 15:53 | <fred1> | kamal, gnome has 'gnome-volume-manager' that normally automatically mounts remavable drives, or media in ie cdrom drives |
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| 15:53 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney, something like ubuntu netbook remix |
| 15:54 | <fred1> | kamal, its normally running by default, unless someone has disabled it intentionally |
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| 15:54 | <fred1> | eg a stock debian lenny install, with someone logged in using gnome, if you plug a usb flash stick in, it will automount it in /media (and it will show up in nautilus) automatically |
| 15:54 | <fred1> | assuming it has a known/supporting fs |
| 15:54 | <fred1> | supported* |
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| 15:55 | <giuseppe_> | ciao |
| 15:55 | <sney`> | k1lumin4t1: well you're not going to get that, the goal of debian is to have the core debian system run equally on everything. But it's very customizable so you can make it just as netbook-optimized as you want yourself. |
| 15:55 | <fred1> | and for non-unix fs (eg [v]fat, ntfs), i beleive it sets the 'fake ownership' to the currently logged in user |
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| 15:56 | <fred1> | crimin its late.. i gotta go |
| 15:56 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney`, you're right |
| 15:56 | <fred1> | l8r all |
| 15:56 | <mase> | what is the name for traditional "COM" ports again? was it RS232? |
| 15:56 | <sney`> | yep mase |
| 15:56 | <mase> | sney` and parallel port was? |
| 15:56 | <giuseppe_> | list file |
| 15:56 | <sney`> | db-something |
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| 15:57 | <sney`> | DB-25. |
| 15:57 | <sney`> | giuseppe_: no lista |
| 15:57 | <bja> | mase: serial ports on mac used another standard, i just can't recall the number |
| 15:57 | <sney`> | mac serial was some kind of mini-DIN |
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| 15:58 | <tlyu> | RS-422 done in some weird way, as i recall |
| 15:58 | <bja> | bingo |
| 15:58 | <giuseppe_> | list file music |
| 15:58 | <sney`> | giuseppe_: vattene via |
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| 15:58 | <pipou> | Slt |
| 15:59 | <pipou> | Iam Pipou |
| 15:59 | <pipou> | Hacker |
| 15:59 | <sney`> | k1lumin4t1: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini9 anyway |
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| 15:59 | <k1lumin4t1> | sney`, thanks a lot. I'm going to have a read on that |
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| 16:16 | <freestyler> | !de |
| 16:16 | <dpkg> | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:17 | <locklace> | !tell freestyler about selftell |
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| 16:19 | <freestyler> | !tell |
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| 16:30 | <dominique> | how do I install gnome in init 2 only and kde in init 3? |
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| 16:30 | <andrew> | hi guys! |
| 16:31 | <dominique> | *i meant in the runlevels |
| 16:32 | <andrew> | hi dominique |
| 16:33 | <dominique> | hey andrew... |
| 16:34 | <andrew> | :) |
| 16:34 | <retrospectacus> | dominique: just create or delete the symlinks in /etc/rc* or use the update-rc.d command |
| 16:34 | <andrew> | guys, you can't imagine |
| 16:34 | <andrew> | I've always used winzozz |
| 16:35 | <andrew> | but I wanted to learn using linux |
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| 16:35 | <andrew> | but it was too difficult to me |
| 16:35 | <retrospectacus> | dominique: if you have both installed, you should be able to choose which you want to use at the login screen with xdm |
| 16:35 | <andrew> | some months ago I barely managed installing it |
| 16:35 | <andrew> | and now I'm using a BT distro live :D For me it's a revolution |
| 16:36 | <andrew> | you can't imagin how much i'm happy |
| 16:36 | <sney`> | did it make you into a pro haxxor? |
| 16:36 | <sney`> | I hear that's what happens when you run bt4. |
| 16:36 | <sney`> | also, |
| 16:36 | <sney`> | !bt4 |
| 16:36 | <dpkg> | BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:36 | <dominique> | ty retrospectacus.. am reading about runlevels, dunno nothing actually. |
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| 16:38 | <retrospectacus> | dominique: I'm wondering why you are looking at runlevels... what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:39 | <dominique> | retrospectacus, i'm an amateur linux. I just wish to install both GNOME and KDE and be able to switch the desktops quickly. I don't need to preserve sessions... |
| 16:39 | <sney`> | there's nothing wrong with reading even if it doesn't fix your problem |
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| 16:41 | <andrew> | guys, where are you from? |
| 16:41 | <andrew> | I'm from Italy, and right now it's a quarter to eleven pm |
| 16:41 | <dominique> | andrew, guys here reply to technical queries readily... save ur energy. |
| 16:41 | <retrospectacus> | dominique: just install both, then when you are logging in you can choose which to use |
| 16:41 | <andrew> | hahaha sorry then :) |
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| 16:42 | <dominique> | retrospectacus... err... iz dat all!? lol... k. i'll try it out now... |
| 16:43 | <andrew> | guys, I'm going, hello everybody ;) |
| 16:43 | <andrew> | have a nice day! |
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| 16:44 | <retrospectacus> | ciao! |
| 16:44 | <andrew> | ciao a tutti! ;) |
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| 16:45 | <retrospectacus> | dominique: dat iz all... click the "Session" button on the login screen |
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| 16:46 | <dominique> | ty retrospectacus... and i wish to know where exactly runlevels come into play, other than rebooting and turning off... |
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| 16:47 | <bja> | dominique: man runlevel will give you a hint on where to start looking for stuff :) |
| 16:47 | <retrospectacus> | !runlevel |
| 16:47 | <dpkg> | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>. |
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| 16:49 | <dominique> | ty bja... |
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| 17:04 | <adisonline> | is there any way to detect the diferents words included between to txt files??? |
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| 17:04 | <bja> | diff |
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| 17:06 | <adisonline> | diff compire line by line |
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| 17:06 | <adisonline> | it possible same word to be in defferent lines |
| 17:06 | <bja> | adisonline: adisonline yes diff compares line by line, if there is a difference in one line it will show you that line |
| 17:07 | <bja> | diff compares line one of file1.txt with line one of file2.txt |
| 17:07 | <bja> | it has lots of options to format the output |
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| 17:08 | <bja> | adisonline: Sorry, i misinterpreted your question, sed might be a better option |
| 17:09 | <adisonline> | i want to every word of text 1 to be compared with every word of second one and report all new words in second tetx |
| 17:09 | <adisonline> | i compire wordlistw |
| 17:09 | <adisonline> | wordlists |
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| 17:09 | <adisonline> | tring to make one for ailolib-ng |
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| 17:11 | <adisonline> | bja: any idea |
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| 17:12 | <adisonline> | ?? |
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| 17:13 | <bja> | adisonline: i was recalling a program that checks what words a file has, it is fairly easy to adapt it to your needs, it just escapes my mind |
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| 17:13 | <kop> | adisonline: wdiff |
| 17:14 | <adisonline> | thank you very much both |
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| 17:14 | <adisonline> | kop: any advise |
| 17:14 | <adisonline> | ?? |
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| 17:16 | <adisonline> | kop: i want to compire large dictionaries each one of them has aboot 400000 words |
| 17:16 | <adisonline> | is possible to accomplish the task?? |
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| 17:18 | <bja> | adisonline: try it if it doesn't work you will have to search for another solution |
| 17:20 | <adisonline> | man wdiff |
| 17:20 | <bja> | 400,000 words each having some 6 characters that makes around 2.3 MB i don't think is that big that with a modern hw you will not have any problems |
| 17:20 | <adisonline> | and show that only report if are deferencies |
| 17:21 | <adisonline> | but not specify them |
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| 17:21 | <adisonline> | 400000 x 400000 |
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| 17:22 | <adisonline> | its a huge enough to be coulcoulated |
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| 17:23 | <bja> | adisonline: believe me modern hw can do wonders, in the range of 1 e300, you will not notice any delay |
| 17:24 | <adisonline> | you are right |
| 17:24 | <adisonline> | :) |
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| 17:25 | <adisonline> | thinking the problem i have to solve |
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| 17:25 | <adisonline> | believe it is easier using comm |
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| 17:26 | <bja> | adisonline: There are a thousand ways to skin a cat |
| 17:26 | <adisonline> | yaaa |
| 17:27 | <adisonline> | tring to specify what pattern is better to use |
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| 17:29 | <adisonline> | goodnight |
| 17:29 | <bja> | rest |
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| 17:38 | <mercutio22> | gnome-do is causing me problems |
| 17:38 | <mercutio22> | it consumes my cpu cycles |
| 17:39 | <azeem> | then shut it down |
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| 17:43 | <mercutio22> | azeem: yeah... I did. I was just wondering if people have the same issue. |
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| 17:44 | <azeem> | mercutio22: most applications consume CPU cycles when they are running |
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| 17:45 | <mercutio22> | azeem: yeah, thats right. I mean its consuming 100% of my processing power and the pc gets real sluggish |
| 17:45 | <mercutio22> | azeem: ok, it seems to be a known bug |
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| 17:48 | <mercutio22> | look, changing subject, I can't mount an external HD via nautilus or by clicking on it in the "places" menu. What can I do to fix that? Here's my fstab: http://debian.pastebin.com/m4a45ab99. The filesystem is ntfs. |
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| 17:48 | <nteon> | hi folks, im having a very interesting problem |
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| 17:49 | <locklace> | nteon: we'll be the judge of that |
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| 17:51 | <nteon> | locklace: of course. I have a server running Lenny in a VM under esxi. I did a hard reset of it this morning because I couldn't ssh in, and our Jira issue-tracking system wasn't responding. Even the esxi console had locked up for me. |
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| 17:51 | <nteon> | upon reboot, there are no files modified after last tuesday |
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| 17:51 | <locklace> | before or after lunch |
| 17:52 | <nteon> | locklace: hm? |
| 17:52 | <nteon> | the last message (in /var/log/kern.log) dated before today (I rebooted it this morning) is: |
| 17:52 | <nteon> | se I couldn't ssh in, and our Jira issue-tracking system wasn't responding. Even the esxi console had locked up for me. |
| 17:52 | <nteon> | * hw has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) |
| 17:52 | <nteon> | <nteon> upon reboot, there are no files modified after last tuesday |
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| 17:53 | <bja> | nteon: You also have mouse trouble :) |
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| 17:55 | <nteon> | /var/log/kern.log shows this: http://pastie.org/794303 |
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| 17:55 | <nteon> | (well, and more after boot) |
| 17:55 | <nteon> | bja: heh, yea im also having typing issues today |
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| 17:58 | <locklace> | nteon: when was the vm last in a known-good state |
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| 18:00 | <nteon> | locklace: it was in use all of last week; the issue-tracker seemed to be working (Jira), but the last known-good state was the evening of the 18th (which seems to be the last time the backup cron scripts ran...) |
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| 18:02 | <locklace> | nteon: so it could have frozen on the 19th in a way that left the jira working, possibly from cache |
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| 18:02 | <nteon> | locklace: what do you mean by frozen? |
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| 18:03 | <locklace> | nteon: could be almost anything. more interested in what operations were actually verifiably working after that time, based on what you were using it for |
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| 18:03 | <locklace> | for example, were you doing things that required good reads and writebacks to disk |
| 18:04 | <locklace> | and how are you determining that no files were modified since the 19th |
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| 18:05 | <ialefe17> | oi |
| 18:05 | <locklace> | !br |
| 18:05 | <dpkg> | Este canal Ć© apenas em inglĆŖs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:05 | <mercutio22> | Hi I am posting one last time in case someone who can help hasn't seen my previous message: I can't mount an external HD via nautilus or by clicking on it in the "places" menu. Can something be done to fix that? Here's my fstab: http://debian.pastebin.com/m4a45ab99. The filesystem is ntfs. |
| 18:05 | <ialefe17> | hy |
| 18:05 | <locklace> | ialefe17: fail |
| 18:05 | <nteon> | locklace: my current feeling is that files were modified after the 19th, but written to disk with the modification time of tuesday nigth |
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| 18:06 | <locklace> | nteon: so do some basic checks to find out whether it's the data or just the metadata that's missing |
| 18:06 | <nteon> | locklace: over 30 tickets were created and many modified; upon reboot mysql complained of tables in a crash state with extra columns |
| 18:06 | <nteon> | locklace: sure, will do. |
| 18:07 | <kenyon> | mercutio22: can you mount it from command line? can you get any error messages or debugging output from nautilus? |
| 18:07 | <locklace> | nteon: either way, sounds like you had a vm or block subsystem failure |
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| 18:07 | <nteon> | locklace: yea, its definitely got me nervous about running vms on this machine... |
| 18:08 | <locklace> | nteon: or possibly a more localised filesystem bug. if you have more than one fs, compare across them |
| 18:08 | <locklace> | nteon: vm above = virtual memory |
| 18:09 | <mercutio22> | kenyon: yes, I can mount it from the command line. I get a broken popup message from nautilus:" Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:" and thats all. How should I get more debug info? |
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| 18:09 | <locklace> | nteon: and obviously, if the host is running other vms, comparing their behaviour over the same time period will be useful |
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| 18:11 | <kenyon> | mercutio22: I don't know, I don't use nautilus, but that would help someone debug your problem. also, maybe the fstab entry should be simplified by not having a space or whatever that \040 is. |
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| 18:12 | <ialefe17> | pink gout |
| 18:13 | <ml|> | mercutio22: you need to use UID= for the ones using UUID |
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| 18:13 | <ml|> | *UUID= |
| 18:13 | <kenyon> | you mean UUID= |
| 18:13 | <mercutio22> | kenyon: that \040 is a space indeed. it was put there by the disk manager application. I am afraid the disk came labeled from factory as "Iomega HDD", but that should not be a problem should it? |
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| 18:14 | <kenyon> | mercutio22: I don't know, it could be. just rename the directory. |
| 18:14 | <mercutio22> | ml|: Hi, last time I tried that. Thats works for automounting during but |
| 18:14 | <mercutio22> | kenyon: the problem is all my torrents already use that path... |
| 18:15 | <kenyon> | mercutio22: so make a symlink |
| 18:15 | <bja> | mercutio22: last time i used an Iomega external hd it was fat32, not ntfs |
| 18:15 | <mercutio22> | kenyon: good idea |
| 18:15 | <ml|> | or just rename the directory and ajust you bt client |
| 18:16 | <ml|> | *adjust ;0 |
| 18:16 | <mercutio22> | hmmm |
| 18:16 | <mercutio22> | The symlink option would probably be easyer right? |
| 18:16 | <mercutio22> | easier |
| 18:16 | <mercutio22> | * |
| 18:17 | <kenyon> | mercutio22: try getting mounting to work first. I'm just speculating, the space might not even be a problem. |
| 18:18 | <sylar> | anyone know how to shut down the network? |
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| 18:18 | <sylar> | and make sure it stay that way? |
| 18:18 | <ml|> | mercutio22: might want to check bts |
| 18:18 | <sylar> | (something bring it up, and it isn't networkManager, whic I have killed) |
| 18:19 | <bja> | sylar: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 18:19 | <mercutio22> | ml|: what do you mean by "bts"? |
| 18:19 | <mercutio22> | bittorrents? |
| 18:19 | <ml|> | mercutio22: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 18:20 | <kenyon> | sylar: service networking stop && update-rc.d networking remove |
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| 18:21 | <sylar> | bja, that I did,. and a few minutes later it was up again |
| 18:21 | <sylar> | kenyon, I'll try |
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| 18:23 | <bja> | sylar: you can allways watch ifconfig whenever it it brought up, check syslog to see who brought it up |
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| 18:25 | <mercutio22> | ml|: Hmmmmm I've been there. Now I remember. |
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| 18:25 | <mouahid> | salut |
| 18:26 | <ml|> | mercutio22: should fix the UUID lines |
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| 18:27 | < | [Jason][Jason]> I'm trying to compile and install 2.6.32.4 on Lenny. It compiles fine and then when booting, gives me a bunch of EXT3-fs errors (ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block) and can't find the inittab. I've checked the fs options during config. ext2 and ext3 are both compiled into the kernel. |
| 18:27 | < | [Jason][Jason]> Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to fix that? :P |
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| 18:28 | <locklace> | [Jason][Jason]: might as well go with .32.6 instead |
| 18:28 | < | [Jason][Jason]> Ah, ok. Just the one I've been messing with since I started :P |
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| 18:30 | <mercutio22> | ml|: oh, I now I remember I was having issues getting the right uuid for that device. Here's the output of blkid: http://debian.pastebin.com/d690a1c3d. If I replace /dev/sdc1 with 804CD8C74CD8B95C in fstab, I get a different error message when mounting: ntfs-3g: Failed to access volume '804CD8C74CD8B95C': No such file or directory. |
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| 18:32 | <mercutio22> | ml|: so maybe I the UUID is wrong... how can I find the right one? |
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| 18:32 | <mercutio22> | ml|: I mean, the one that trully relates to the external HD, /dev/sdc1 |
| 18:33 | <kenyon> | mercutio22: you aren't using UUID for that device, you have it as /dev/sdc1 |
| 18:33 | <ml|> | mercutio22: I was talking about the others, can't say about nfs drive I don't use one |
| 18:34 | <mercutio22> | kenyon: I replaced it |
| 18:34 | <kenyon> | mercutio22: did you try removing the space from the mountpoint? |
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| 18:35 | <ml|> | mercutio22: also you where not using UUID= just the UUID |
| 18:35 | <ml|> | ? |
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| 18:36 | <ml|> | for the ntfs drive when you got that error? |
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| 18:39 | <mercutio22> | ml|: yeah, that was it |
| 18:39 | <mercutio22> | ml|: inserting UUID= solved it |
| 18:40 | <kenyon> | apparenly nautilus fails at parsing fstab |
| 18:41 | <ml|> | so it mounts now with nautilus? |
| 18:41 | <mercutio22> | ml|: yes |
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| 18:41 | <ml|> | !congratulate mercutio22 |
| 18:41 | <dpkg> | Hugs & Puppies mercutio22, you did it! |
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| 18:41 | <mercutio22> | thanks doods |
| 18:42 | <ml|> | mercutio22: when using UUID have to use UUID= |
| 18:42 | <mercutio22> | ml|: yeah. Learned another one |
| 18:42 | <sylar> | kenyon, I did what you said, and it was brought up again |
| 18:42 | <kenyon> | yet somehow he managed to boot without UUID= |
| 18:43 | <mercutio22> | kenyon: yes, it seems UUID= is only needed for ntfs filesystems |
| 18:43 | <ml|> | or /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 18:43 | <ml|> | yeah that seems wierd |
| 18:43 | <mercutio22> | ml|: for the linux partitions I don't need UUID= |
| 18:44 | <ml|> | you can use what you like |
| 18:44 | <mercutio22> | ml|: yeah, cool. |
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| 18:44 | <mercutio22> | ml|: I wonder why the differet behavior though... |
| 18:44 | <mercutio22> | *different |
| 18:44 | <ml|> | mercutio22: /msg dpkg UUID to understand better |
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| 18:45 | <sylar> | I have avahi-autoipd, and dhclient running |
| 18:46 | <mercutio22> | ml|: alright, I will reboot with UUID= now to see how it goes |
| 18:46 | <mercutio22> | brb |
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| 18:50 | <trank> | hi |
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| 18:59 | <sentor> | hi |
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| 19:01 | <sentor> | how can i identify the appropriate ssh public key in the authorized_keys after a login |
| 19:04 | <retrospectacus> | define "appropriate" |
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| 19:05 | <sentor> | retrospectacus: i want to know who is log in (which public key is used) |
| 19:05 | <mercutio22> | I am back. Now nautilus shows two external devices =P |
| 19:05 | <mercutio22> | well |
| 19:05 | <mercutio22> | ok |
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| 19:06 | <weasel> | sentor: ssh doesn't tell you. |
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| 19:08 | <sentor> | weasel: hm, can the `command="log user .."' in the authorized_keys a help to log the key? |
| 19:09 | <ml|> | sentor: ssh-add -l or -L might be what you are after |
| 19:09 | <l3ek> | how come flash doesnt work... i have backtrack 4 its probably something stupid according to synaptic it is installed by default |
| 19:09 | <locklace> | !backtrack |
| 19:09 | <dpkg> | BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:10 | <l3ek> | the bottom also says scripts currently forbidden |
| 19:10 | <retrospectacus> | l3ek: we cannot help you with that OS |
| 19:10 | <l3ek> | that sucks |
| 19:11 | <themill> | l3ek: try #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:11 | <l3ek> | ok |
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| 19:12 | <sentor> | ml|: thx i will give it a try :) |
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| 19:13 | <l3ek> | there is only one person in #backtrack..? |
| 19:14 | <ml|> | #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net |
| 19:14 | <mercutio22> | ok, so now I want to try and solve the torrent problem by linking. How exactly should I do that? I relabeled the external HD to Iomega-HDD. Transmition will look for torrents in /media/Iomega HDD, but they really are at /media/Iomega-HDD. |
| 19:14 | <l3ek> | ooo |
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| 19:15 | <ml|> | mercutio22: change it in transmission |
| 19:15 | <mercutio22> | ml|: that would involve more work.. right? |
| 19:15 | <ml|> | how? |
| 19:15 | <meowcats> | adobe flash crashes iceweasel on testing :| |
| 19:15 | <ml|> | meowcats: not here |
| 19:16 | <meowcats> | x64? |
| 19:16 | <sylar> | how to stop dhclient, and avahi-autoipd ? |
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| 19:16 | <sylar> | anyone know who to shut down the network? |
| 19:16 | <ml|> | no i386 |
| 19:16 | <mercutio22> | ml|: I would have to change the path of every single torrent in transmission |
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| 19:17 | <trank> | how can i see what process is paging in the linux memory ? |
| 19:17 | <bja> | mercutio22: a simlink will work faster for the moment |
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| 19:17 | <ml|> | oh, there is not a main section base dir = /path/ that sucks |
| 19:18 | <trank> | vmstat -s , but how can i see the process/ |
| 19:18 | <mercutio22> | bja should I make a hardlink or a symbolic link? |
| 19:18 | <meowcats> | ml| maybe its just x64 then |
| 19:19 | <ml|> | mercutio22: if it's not a lot I would change them now |
| 19:19 | <ml|> | meowcats: perhaps, have you checked bts? |
| 19:19 | <meowcats> | i havnt checked anything :o |
| 19:19 | <mercutio22> | ml|: why do you dislike the symlink option? |
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| 19:20 | <ml|> | meowcats: it would help if you did ;) |
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| 19:23 | <ml|> | mercutio22: no, but why use it when you can change that in transmission; just preference |
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| 19:23 | <meowcats> | !bts |
| 19:23 | <dpkg> | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 19:23 | <ml|> | meowcats: /msg dpkg selftell |
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| 19:24 | <cwood> | Evening. Any recommendations for Debian-compatible, scriptable MUD clients? |
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| 19:26 | <mercutio22> | ml|: its just that... it would give me a lot of work... |
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| 19:28 | <meowcats> | it looks like a bug is filed already :) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=553060 |
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| 19:30 | <locklace> | cwood: aptitude search '~dmud' |
| 19:30 | <cwood> | locklace: thanks, I'll browse. |
| 19:31 | <ml|> | meowcats: would not hurt if you added to that bug report |
| 19:31 | <retrospectacus> | mercutio22: symlinking will work but is not the cleanest or "correct" way to do it |
| 19:34 | <retrospectacus> | I would certainly go for it if you have a lot of references to the old location, rather than change all of them |
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| 19:36 | <bja> | mercutio22: i would simlink the dirs, and any new torrents, i would directly apoint to the new dir |
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| 19:37 | <mercutio22> | yeah, I will do that, thanks guys |
| 19:37 | <meowcats> | ml| i try to reproduce the error |
| 19:38 | <meowcats> | now videos play, but no sound :p |
| 19:38 | <cwood> | meowcats: at least you have subtitles. |
| 19:38 | <meowcats> | OH i try to navigate away from page, then crash |
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| 19:39 | <meowcats> | i wonder if it has anything to do with pulseaudio |
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| 19:52 | <meowcats> | im trying to file bug report, but how to get information like posted here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=25;bug=553060 |
| 19:54 | <ml|> | use reportbug to generate, copy and paste to email you will send |
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| 19:56 | <meowcats> | :) |
| 19:57 | <ml|> | make sure not to send with reportbug ;) or maybe reportbug has an option to add to bug already reported? |
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| 20:02 | <vagn> | So I'm poking around and I find this: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/5.0.2-live/i386/web/debian-live-502-i386-kde-desktop.squashfs |
| 20:02 | <vagn> | is there any documentation on how to set that up? |
| 20:02 | <vagn> | I have pxelinux.o and that working |
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| 20:03 | <meowcats> | looks like it is a known problem already :p http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2009/12/flash_player_10_security_updat.html#comment-2113801 |
| 20:05 | <vagn> | never mind, debina-live project ... duh! |
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| 20:07 | <sylar> | I hope that someone here knows how to shut donw the network |
| 20:07 | <sylar> | if someone knows, please let me know |
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| 20:08 | <bja> | sylar: what have you done since the last time you posted anything? |
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| 20:09 | <meowcats> | definitely a flash problem, it crashes google chrome too |
| 20:09 | <ml|> | shouldn't /etc/init.d/networking stop work? |
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| 20:10 | <sylar> | bja, stopped and remved networking, network-manager , network-manager-dispacher |
| 20:10 | <sylar> | bja, looked at syslog |
| 20:10 | <sylar> | syslog say that the kernel say that eth0 is not ready, and then dhclient, and avahi-autoipd are bringing the network up |
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| 20:10 | <sylar> | tried to issue a stop on avahi-autopid |
| 20:10 | <sylar> | or rather it was a kill |
| 20:11 | <sylar> | it still is resurecting |
| 20:11 | <sylar> | like a champ |
| 20:11 | <sylar> | I stopped avahi-daemon too |
| 20:11 | <sylar> | didn't elp |
| 20:11 | <sylar> | what else? |
| 20:12 | <sylar> | reading some man pages |
| 20:12 | <ml|> | !enter |
| 20:12 | <dpkg> | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 20:13 | <sylar> | ml|, thanks for the info |
| 20:13 | <bja> | ok, whenever i want eth0 really down i run the following script http://www.pastie.org/794453 |
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| 20:13 | <sylar> | ml|, please add to dpkg that some people think in chunks, without ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' |
| 20:13 | <bja> | sylar: ^^ |
| 20:14 | <sylar> | k |
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| 20:15 | <ml|> | sylar: take a second and collect your thoughts? :P |
| 20:15 | <bja> | it actually stops all the daemons that i have connected to eth0 so it also saves some battery when i am on the go |
| 20:15 | <ml|> | bja: a bit overkill? ;) |
| 20:15 | <sylar> | did you do ifconfig afterwards to see if it is really down/ |
| 20:15 | <sylar> | ? |
| 20:16 | <bja> | sylar: yes |
| 20:16 | <bja> | ml|: actually when i make the network card sit really idle it will give me some 30 mins extra of battery power :) |
| 20:16 | <ml|> | :) |
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| 20:17 | <sylar> | I don't see how it would help me |
| 20:18 | <sylar> | though, I don't mind to try |
| 20:18 | <sylar> | tried everything so far |
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| 20:18 | <bja> | sylar: did you tried everything at the same time? |
| 20:19 | <sylar> | I meant everything that was suggested |
| 20:19 | <sylar> | which is lines 4,5,6,16 |
| 20:20 | <bja> | line 13 is a must unless you have bind or something similar running |
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| 20:21 | <sylar> | k, I'll try 13 |
| 20:21 | <bja> | hope it works |
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| 20:22 | <cesurasean> | which mail system is installed when you click on mail system when installing lenny? |
| 20:22 | <meowcats> | on a plus note, you can try flashplayer 10.1 in x86 |
| 20:22 | <meowcats> | just not in x86_64 |
| 20:22 | <bja> | cesurasean: afaik exim |
| 20:22 | <meowcats> | :| |
| 20:22 | <cesurasean> | thx |
| 20:22 | <meowcats> | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 20:22 | <sylar> | bja, I don't heven have that dameon |
| 20:23 | <meowcats> | 10.1 is the first version to support hardware acceleration |
| 20:23 | <meowcats> | its about damn time they bring that |
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| 20:28 | <matt__> | HIIIII |
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| 20:29 | <meowcats> | one more update, there is an alpha of 10.1 for x86_64 versions available: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html |
| 20:29 | <bja> | sylar: if i recall correctly i used one command to see what programs where using eth0, i just can't recall which one was :( |
| 20:29 | <bja> | i also used it to see what open files i had |
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| 20:32 | <kop> | bja: lsof |
| 20:32 | <bja> | kop: sounds like it, thx |
| 20:32 | <meowcats> | im unsure of how to install it though |
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| 20:39 | <bja> | kop: no, it wasn't lsof, but thx anyway |
| 20:39 | <bja> | sylar: let me do some checking and if i get everything correctly i'll post you a note |
| 20:41 | <meowcats> | apperently the "alpha" on x86_64 linux is actually still 10.0 code |
| 20:41 | <meowcats> | not 10.1 |
| 20:41 | <meowcats> | :| |
| 20:41 | <meowcats> | laaaame |
| 20:41 | <ml|> | meowcats: better to wait untill it's in debian; but if you want to do it anyways it's explained on that site |
| 20:42 | <meowcats> | ml| i did, but its not the fixed code |
| 20:42 | <meowcats> | adobe has given x86_64 users the middle finger again |
| 20:45 | <bja> | sylar: I just remembered, i used powertop to get everything to the minimum power demand, and a byproduct was that the network card became completely disabled :) |
| 20:45 | <bja> | sorry it took me so long to remember |
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| 20:48 | <sylar> | I just killed dhclient |
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| 20:49 | <sylar> | and so far eth0 stay down |
| 20:49 | <bja> | great |
| 20:49 | <sylar> | I wonder who started dhclient |
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| 20:49 | <sylar> | (and how to make it not start in the future); sorry ml| |
| 20:50 | <ml|> | hmm, thought you tried that already? |
| 20:50 | <sylar> | no, I was trying to be nice, and issue stop and stuff |
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| 20:51 | <ml|> | sylar: it's just easier to follow what you are saying :) |
| 20:51 | <sylar> | and , also, I didn't know if dhclient may not be resurrected just like eth0 is |
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| 20:53 | <sylar> | ml|, I guess, but I'll need some coherency circuit transplant for that into my brainz, .. which may be possible, if I'll find a coherent hero, and eat his/her's brainz |
| 20:54 | <ml|> | it seems you don't need that see :) |
| 20:54 | <sylar> | You are right ; I am cured :D |
| 20:55 | <sylar> | I now need to find what triggers dhclient |
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| 20:56 | <sylar> | it isn't in the init.d script |
| 20:56 | <sylar> | s |
| 20:56 | <ml|> | if you reboot it start again; not sure but maybe having "auto ethx" in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:56 | <sylar> | I have commented out everything but lo in there, ml| |
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| 20:57 | <cwood> | For interest's sake, kildcient seems to do 95%+ of what I used to do with xpertmud, and it's recently developed and in Debian besides. |
| 20:57 | <ml|> | /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ? |
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| 20:58 | <sylar> | ml|, that looks like a good place to look |
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| 20:59 | <sylar> | though it is annoying to read such a long man page , just to kill something |
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| 21:00 | <fmiser> | I just tried to file in a form with acroread installed from the multi-media repository on my Lenny system. It complains about "plugin not available in current configuration". |
| 21:00 | <fmiser> | Looked through preferences and didn't see anything that seemed to apply. |
| 21:00 | <fmiser> | Ideas? |
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| 21:01 | <sylar> | ml|, almost everything is commented out in that conf, and the part that aren't look like module lookup, and not a configuration |
| 21:02 | <ml|> | yeah, looks like that is wrong also; it was just a wild guess |
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| 21:09 | <sylar> | hmm; i'll continue tomorrow then; night ml| |
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| 21:13 | <ml|> | sylar: good night/luck |
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| 21:25 | <cesurasean> | yuck. - http://pastebin.com/f593976d5 |
| 21:25 | <cesurasean> | on squeeze. bind9 is crapping out while adding a bind group. |
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| 21:26 | <cesurasean> | 'anyone have a solution? is there newer than version 9 currently out? |
| 21:26 | <cwood> | cesurasean: bind9 is the current stable version. Enable/increase logging, see what that tells you. |
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| 21:27 | <cesurasean> | cwood, how do i enable/increase logging? |
| 21:27 | <tp43> | alright, anyone very familiar with hdaps, it is too high tech for me. I can manage suspend to disk and ram with these two commands echo -n mem > /sys/power/state and echo shutdown > /sys/power/disk; echo disk > /sys/power/state, so how can I change it so when lid is closed it just runs those commands |
| 21:28 | <cwood> | cesurasean: you can read the bind9 docs to figure that out. The package to install is "bind9-doc". |
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| 21:34 | <cesurasean> | yuck. bind has crashed on two machines when lenny>>squeeze . looks like i will have to work around, instead of reading as cwood has suggested. |
| 21:37 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: uh... what architecture is this? |
| 21:38 | <cesurasean> | 386 |
| 21:38 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: running on what hardware? |
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| 21:38 | <cesurasean> | one is that hp proliant dl360, the other is an older HP desktop, not quite sure what motherboard is has on it. |
| 21:38 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: basically, groupadd is failing because it's triggering an invalid opcode, which shouldn't be happening unless you're doing something really od |
| 21:39 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: which dl360? |
| 21:39 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: also, which kernel are you running? |
| 21:39 | <cesurasean> | newest kernel via aptitude update |
| 21:39 | <cesurasean> | what do you mean by which dl360? |
| 21:39 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: uname -a; there are a few dozen kernels you can run |
| 21:40 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: there are at least 7 variants of the dl360 |
| 21:40 | <tp43> | how do you specify to use backports? |
| 21:40 | <cesurasean> | perhaps you missed the convo yesterday. |
| 21:40 | <dondelelcaro> | tp43: using the -t option |
| 21:41 | <cesurasean> | honestly, i don't know too much about these machines. |
| 21:41 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: then run dmidecode on them, and find out? |
| 21:41 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: basically, the error that you're seeing is most likely a kernel bug, or some issue with the hardware, and has nothing to do with bind |
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| 21:41 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: if groupadd is failing, you've got rather large problems |
| 21:42 | <tp43> | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 21:42 | <cesurasean> | dondelelcaro, what do you mean by rather large problems? |
| 21:42 | <tp43> | dondelelcaro, so I have to apt-get remove purge apci, and then apt-get install -t apci? |
| 21:43 | <tp43> | cesurasean, basically groupadd should not fail |
| 21:43 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: you've got a really basic opcode which isn't being handled by the underlying hardware. Presumably that's a kernel bug, but it's hard to say |
| 21:43 | <dondelelcaro> | tp43: no, you want apt-get -t lenny-backports install acpi; or similar. Or you could use the curses aptitude interface to select that precise version |
| 21:43 | <cesurasean> | perhaps it's related to the processor. |
| 21:43 | <cesurasean> | pentium 3's on both machines... |
| 21:44 | <tp43> | dondelelcaro, thanks so much |
| 21:44 | <dondelelcaro> | cesurasean: and which specific kernel are you running? |
| 21:44 | <cesurasean> | dondelelcaro, give me a second to get one of them booted up. whatever the standard i386, newest is. |
| 21:44 | <ml|> | tp43: /msg dpkg bpo for more info and also to search for available packages, link on that page |
| 21:44 | <cesurasean> | give me a second and i will tell you |
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| 21:48 | <cesurasean> | now i can't even log in. perhaps it is hardware related.... |
| 21:48 | <ml|> | cesurasean: same machine you where having vbox crashing? |
| 21:49 | <cesurasean> | no |
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| 21:49 | <cesurasean> | well, it is one that is having groupadd problems with bind, but it is responsive still.. |
| 21:54 | <cesurasean> | eh looks like both are crashed now.. |
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| 21:57 | <dondelelcaro> | heh; yeah, I bet for kernel or similar issues |
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| 22:01 | <cesurasean> | seems its a kernel problem |
| 22:01 | <cesurasean> | i got bind installed running an older kernel |
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| 22:02 | <cesurasean> | 2.6.32-trunk-686 is the one with issues on both machines... |
| 22:03 | <cesurasean> | 2,6.26-2-686 works fine... |
| 22:03 | <cesurasean> | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 22:05 | <cesurasean> | now it's just getting stuck while booting. |
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| 22:06 | <tp43> | how do you apt-cache search for backports? |
| 22:07 | <abrotman> | do ypou have backports in your sources ? |
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| 22:07 | <tp43> | abrotman, yep |
| 22:07 | <abrotman> | apt-cache search bpo ? |
| 22:07 | <tp43> | oh, thanks |
| 22:07 | <cesurasean> | no, no backports. |
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| 22:08 | <abrotman> | cesurasean: that wasn't for you |
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| 22:09 | <tp43> | how do I disable lid close events for my laptop, or specify the command it should run |
| 22:10 | <ml|> | tp43: btw, how many packages got installed from testing when trying to move to testing or did it just fail without anything being installed from testing? |
| 22:10 | <tp43> | cause, its not working the way its configured, but if I manually enter echo -n mem > /sys/power/state, its fine |
| 22:11 | <tp43> | ml|, its was some crazy dependency cycling going on for a long while so I just hit control+C |
| 22:12 | <ml|> | oh, so did not notice what aptitude did before that |
| 22:13 | <tp43> | ml|, well, it was trying to solve dependencies, and it was stuck at about 300 of them, and there was another number that kept increasing to about 14000, and then there was 69 number that kept coming up, but the number 300 left stayed the same...dunno what the heck |
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| 22:16 | <ml|> | ok, just wondering; probably nothing happened |
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| 22:17 | <mmejia27> | hello...another noob here looking for a little help on some resources |
| 22:17 | <mmejia27> | I am looking into getting a bit more into the developing world of GNU/Linux |
| 22:17 | <mmejia27> | but everything that I find is usually too outdated, basic, or too specific |
| 22:18 | <mmejia27> | I don't know if you guys had any recommendations for projects? |
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| 22:18 | <mmejia27> | Maybe something I can join that will let me do some simple development |
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| 22:31 | <jmarsden> | mmejia27: Look through Launchpad. Find a bug in a package you know. Fix it. Get your fix included upstream, or create a debdiff. Repeat :) |
| 22:31 | <jmarsden> | Ditto for bugs.debian.org or any other bugtracker of your choice, really. |
| 22:33 | <abrotman> | !rc bugs |
| 22:33 | <dpkg> | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html , also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 22:35 | <abrotman> | mmejia27: more specifically, what kind of coding can you do? or is there some other way you'd like to contribute? perhaps writing man pages? |
| 22:35 | <mmejia27> | What would you recommend for learning things that are more to the core of gnu/linux |
| 22:35 | <sney`> | dissect the kernel |
| 22:35 | <cwood> | Where do you think the core is? |
| 22:35 | <mmejia27> | the kernel/drivers etc |
| 22:35 | <sney`> | I hear rt2x00 needs work |
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| 22:36 | <abrotman> | mmejia27: could you write an "Advanced Options" interface for FF/IW that gives options and descriptions for all the stuff in prefs.js |
| 22:36 | <tp43> | mmejia27, hehe you sure about that |
| 22:36 | <matts> | can some one helo me connet my i phone to ubuntu |
| 22:36 | <sney`> | !ubuntu |
| 22:36 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:37 | <abrotman> | matts: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.nte |
| 22:37 | <abrotman> | .net |
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| 22:37 | <tp43> | mmejia27, check out the acpi scripts, and let me know which one can change the lip close event for laptops, cause mine isn't working so good |
| 22:37 | <tp43> | mmejia27, look in /etc |
| 22:38 | <mmejia27> | well, I need some guidance to getting to that level |
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| 22:38 | <abrotman> | tp43: /etc/acpi.d/lid.sh or something like that |
| 22:38 | <matts> | thanks |
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| 22:38 | <abrotman> | eh .. maybe not |
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| 22:38 | <abrotman> | tp43: i vaguely recall a lid.sh somewhere |
| 22:38 | <mmejia27> | that's why i was asking...what are some projects that will help in learning some of the internals and build on the c/c++ required skills |
| 22:38 | <tp43> | abrotman, I am scared to mess things up, all those scribs run other scripts, and back and forth ... |
| 22:38 | <abrotman> | so? |
| 22:39 | <abrotman> | tp43: maybe try an 'exit 0;' at the top of the lid.sh .. |
| 22:39 | <tp43> | abrotman, it would take me a week of intense study, with a possible fail. Very dangerous endevour, I am not gonna start it today. I already racked too many hours |
| 22:39 | <tp43> | abrotman, ok, since you said it, I am gonna go for it |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | great plan ... |
| 22:40 | <tp43> | abrotman, I don't have acpi.d |
| 22:40 | <jmarsden> | mmejia27: If you are certain you want to play in the land of the kernel, check out the Kernel Janitors project as one way to get started with kernel stuff... http://janitor.kernelnewbies.org/ |
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| 22:41 | <ExCaLiBuR||> | hola |
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| 22:41 | <tp43> | action=/etc/acpi/actions/lm_lid.sh %e, whats this %e business? |
| 22:41 | <mmejia27> | That looks really interesting...thanks jmarsden |
| 22:41 | <jmarsden> | mmejia27: You're welcome. |
| 22:42 | <tp43> | mmejia27, I recommend you read qt4 book for now |
| 22:43 | <mmejia27> | any recommendations? I've looked all over Amazon, but most of the books on Linux are 4+ years old |
| 22:43 | <tp43> | mmejia27, thats the best way to use your current skills and get somewhere soon |
| 22:43 | <mmejia27> | I've been looking at qt4 and wxWidgets I think was the other one |
| 22:43 | <tp43> | how do you transfer files here again? |
| 22:44 | <jmarsden> | !tell tp43 about pastebin |
| 22:44 | <tp43> | mmejia27, do you want the book? you can find it online. There is another one too, about linux programming |
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| 22:44 | <tp43> | jmarsden, I never pasted more than two lines |
| 22:44 | <JoseMiguel> | humm |
| 22:44 | <JoseMiguel> | how do i add the non-free rep? |
| 22:45 | <abrotman> | mmejia27: if the book is cheap enough, and well reviewed, it's still useful .. you'll have to augment what it shows you, but it won't be completely unuseful |
| 22:45 | <abrotman> | !tell JoseMiguel about non-free |
| 22:45 | <jmarsden> | tp43: pastebin is how we can xfer (text) files around here... |
| 22:45 | <JoseMiguel> | !tell about non-free |
| 22:45 | <abrotman> | !tell JoseMiguel about non-free |
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| 22:45 | <abrotman> | JoseMiguel: see wha tthe bot told you |
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| 22:45 | <jmarsden> | tp43: You asked: <tp43> how do you transfer files here again? |
| 22:45 | <mmejia27> | i am wary of buying them since there are always mixed reviews about them |
| 22:46 | <tp43> | jmarsden, ooooooooooh, no it was a pdf file |
| 22:46 | <mmejia27> | It's kind of frustrating |
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| 22:46 | <tp43> | jmarsden, I was thinking of ctcp or something like that |
| 22:47 | <JoseMiguel> | and about the nvidia driver, can someone help me? i tryied to install it from the nvidia web (nvidia-foo.run) but i couldnt :/, installed gcc and the other package... |
| 22:47 | <abrotman> | !tell JoseMiguel about nvidia |
| 22:47 | <JoseMiguel> | isnt there a "build-essentials" package like Ub~? |
| 22:47 | <JoseMiguel> | ok thanks xD |
| 22:48 | <tp43> | ok abrotman I am gonna replace /etc/acpi/actions/lm_lid.sh with echo -n mem > /sys/power/state |
| 22:48 | <abrotman> | if you say so .. i dont know what that script does |
| 22:48 | <abrotman> | make sure oyu make a backup |
| 22:49 | <tp43> | abrotman, yep |
| 22:50 | <mmejia27> | what do you guys think of the Linux From Scratch project? |
| 22:50 | <mmejia27> | Good way to learn some of the basics of working on the Kernel? |
| 22:51 | <sney`> | LFS is a great way to learn how the OS is put together |
| 22:52 | <tp43> | how do I restart acpid? |
| 22:52 | <sney`> | probably /etc/init.d/acpid restart |
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| 22:52 | <tp43> | sney, ok, I am gonna test it now, hopefully I am back sooner than later, |
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| 23:13 | <mmejia27> | well, while the kernel source downloads, what's up? |
| 23:14 | <mmejia27> | the kerneljanitor irc seems to be very neglected |
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| 23:31 | <cesurasean> | fixed my issue. reinstalled lenny, installed bind9, then >> squeeze |
| 23:31 | <cesurasean> | bind9 restarts fine now, no kernel panic. |
| 23:31 | <cesurasean> | i assume thats how it was tested, anyway. |
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| 23:35 | <cesurasean> | both consoles look very familiar as well. they must be similar boards. |
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| 23:41 | <goodger> | incidentally, does anyone have any rule of thumb for calculating a swappiness value for a particular RAM size? |
| 23:42 | <goodger> | I have noticed that my system effectively crashes due to the I/O load of dumping stuff to swap when a process suddenly starts eating RAM |
| 23:42 | <goodger> | so I thought I ought to try and increase the amount of real memory available |
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| 23:45 | <raylu> | some people recommend 1x physical memory, some people recommend 2x |
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| 23:46 | <sney`> | some people don't use swap at all |
| 23:46 | <goodger> | does anyone who knows what swappiness is have an opinion? |
| 23:47 | <cesurasean> | goodger, the install should determine that info for you. |
| 23:47 | <sney`> | !swappiness |
| 23:47 | <dpkg> | rumour has it, swappiness is A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3660 |
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| 23:49 | <goodger> | hmm... none of those are much use, as my system doesn't have enough RAM to just avoid the use of swap at all, unfortunately |
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| 23:51 | <goodger> | I suppose setting it to 100 wouldn't hurt it, but I'd like to keep free about 200M of real RAM without buggering my system's performance under lower RAM usage |
| 23:51 | <tp43> | I have kernel bpo 2.6.28, I am installing linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686, is it a good idea? |
| 23:51 | <sney`> | yes, 2.6.30 is great |
| 23:52 | <tp43> | also, I can't get acpid to run it says, acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: No such file or directory |
| 23:52 | <tp43> | sney, you think this new kernel will me with this problem? |
| 23:52 | <tp43> | sney, how do I get rid of my old kernels, cause now I will have three in grub |
| 23:52 | <sney`> | I don't know if it will, but it's generally better, and more people are using 2.6.30 than 2.6.28 so you will get more support |
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| 23:53 | <sney`> | with aptitude remove. once you're sure you don't need it anymore, tell apt to take it away, and the grub config will follow automatically |
| 23:53 | <tp43> | sney, cool, will I have to re-install other stuff, like kde? |
| 23:53 | <sney`> | not kde |
| 23:53 | <sney`> | if you had to build any drivers with module-assistant you will need to do that again |
| 23:53 | <sney`> | but most things will just work |
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| 23:53 | <tp43> | sney, oh yeah, maybe wireless eh |
| 23:54 | <sney`> | what wireless do you have |
| 23:54 | <tp43> | sney, I can't even remember, the last time I did it was over a year ago |
| 23:54 | <sney`> | lspci | grep -i net |
| 23:55 | <tp43> | 04:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 23:55 | <tp43> | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3 |
| 23:56 | <sney`> | I can never remember the name of that module |
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| 23:57 | <tp43> | what does that mean? |
| 23:57 | <sney`> | if something says W: it's a warning |
| 23:57 | <sney`> | and if nothing is visibly broken, then it's probably not a warning you need to worry about |
| 23:58 | <tp43> | sney, thanks, I am gonna boot into this new kernel, see you in a few |
| 23:58 | <sney`> | ok, tp43, when you upgrade to 2.6.30 it should automatically update to the new firmware-ipwx2200 package |
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