| --- | Log | opened Sun Nov 15 00:00:14 2009 |
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| 00:00 | <xanavi> | backtrack install, schweet |
| 00:00 | <xanavi> | its a pretty decent base for a basic debian install |
| 00:00 | <Gaartboom> | no vnc at this moment, butt you couls use putty |
| 00:01 | <venger> | Gaartboom, are you just talking about the panel items ie Applications, Places, System, etc not responding? |
| 00:01 | <Gaartboom> | yes indeed, |
| 00:01 | <venger> | have you tried killall gnome-panel |
| 00:02 | <Gaartboom> | no, |
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| 00:05 | <Gaartboom> | I just did it now, the killall gnome-panel. no change. |
| 00:05 | <DarkPurpose> | ? |
| 00:06 | <Gaartboom> | i gues to see if there was something hanging |
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| 00:07 | <Gaartboom> | is it possible that xserver brings the problem? because my xserver don't work |
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| 00:10 | <sney> | !doesn't work |
| 00:10 | <dpkg> | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 00:11 | <vadim> | i like debian |
| 00:12 | <sney> | me too |
| 00:12 | <Gaartboom> | No error messages, when i hover to one of those top menu items, its like just an image. It don't react at all. none of the bar's react. every |
| 00:13 | <sney> | Gaartboom: still no reason to believe it's an X issue. you've said your xserver "doesn't work" a few times already but with no supporting evidence other than some gnome issues. Have you tried another (non-GTK) window manager to see if it could be caused by gnome or gtk? |
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| 00:14 | <Gaartboom> | no, its a fresh install, and don't want to bloat it more. I use gdm with gnome |
| 00:14 | <vadim> | Is it possible to organize translation of messages in xchat to another language on the fly? |
| 00:15 | <KingKong2009> | Had a play around with rsnapshot, rdiff-backup and duplicity, I have chosen rdiff-backup as my backup solution |
| 00:15 | <Gaartboom> | could i generate a log that would be usefull for you? |
| 00:16 | <goodger> | vadim: it would be relatively trivial to write an xchat plugin to do that, but it would be very slow indeed |
| 00:17 | <goodger> | well, I say relatively trivial assuming that google translate has a python API |
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| 00:18 | <vadim> | Thank you for your reply. |
| 00:18 | <vadim> | My English is too bad so I am looking for the solution |
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| 00:19 | <faheem> | vadim: what locale are you using? |
| 00:21 | <vadim> | in the sense? |
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| 00:22 | <vadim> | utf |
| 00:22 | <Gaartboom> | the xserver fault i have, is this one look : http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0901.2/00705.html |
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| 00:24 | <Gaartboom> | and this would be the fix look: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=19720&action=view |
| 00:24 | <yuri_i> | Anyone know where debian keeps the global configuration for dircolors? /etc/DIR_COLORS does not exist and I see no options being set in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 00:25 | <faheem> | vadim: my understanding is that if you set your locales appropriately, the messages you see may be translated. what is your language/location? |
| 00:26 | <venger> | Gaartboom, if the xserver failed to start you would not be able to use gnome, so are you working two different issues? you can always use pastebin to provide logs or some evidence as to why you think this is your problem |
| 00:28 | <faheem> | vadim: see http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 00:28 | <vadim> | I live in Ukraine. |
| 00:28 | <vadim> | Avail speak Ukrainian (native) and Russian |
| 00:29 | <venger> | or [file|image]bin for screenshots |
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| 00:30 | <faheem> | vadim: i assume setting your locale to something suitable would help. anyone feel like clarifying |
| 00:30 | <faheem> | you could talk to people in a russian channel |
| 00:30 | <faheem> | !ru |
| 00:30 | <dpkg> | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:31 | <faheem> | vadim: try there |
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| 00:33 | <faheem> | yuri_i: to answer your question, dircolors -b outputs the value |
| 00:33 | <faheem> | it is not set in a file |
| 00:33 | <faheem> | as you can see in your .bashrc |
| 00:34 | <vadim> | en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 00:34 | <faheem> | ie eval "`dircolors -b`" |
| 00:34 | <faheem> | vadim: right. that is not going to help you. again, consider changing your locale |
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| 00:35 | <faheem> | talking to the people in a russian channel will probably be helpful |
| 00:37 | <Gaartboom> | venger: my xserver gives a fatal error look at: http://pastebin.com/d5b16c171 |
| 00:37 | <vadim> | for me it is difficult |
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| 00:39 | <leo> | hi ppl |
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| 00:40 | <leo> | i've got 2 dvds for lenny 5.03 and i just got squeeze netinstall and about to proceed with the 6 install - can i use the packages from the lenny dvds in squeeze? |
| 00:40 | <faheem> | vadim: what is difficult? |
| 00:41 | <sney> | nope |
| 00:41 | <leo> | thanks sney |
| 00:41 | <faheem> | leo: no |
| 00:41 | <leo> | and faheem |
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| 00:43 | <leo> | where can i find package dvds for 6? |
| 00:44 | <faheem> | leo: go to debian.org and click on links |
| 00:44 | <vadim> | I Founded link |
| 00:44 | <vadim> | http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=182303 |
| 00:44 | <sney> | it won't be called 6 until it's released though, for now it's just 'testing' and/or 'squeeze' |
| 00:45 | <leo> | ok thanks |
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| 00:46 | <Gaartboom> | ok I found out that I can't start a gui-application as root. I get this error: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1006.0 |
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| 00:47 | <faheem> | Gaartboom: you can if you set the appriate env variables |
| 00:47 | <vadim> | I want this to using it. |
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| 00:47 | <faheem> | Gaartboom: eg. -> export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority in .bashrc |
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| 00:48 | <Gaartboom> | faheem: thank you i will try this. |
| 00:49 | <faheem> | the point if that root does not own your display, so you need to give it some kind of permission (i think) |
| 00:49 | <faheem> | i forget the details |
| 00:49 | <faheem> | that's the users .bashrc, not roots |
| 00:49 | <faheem> | can anyone give a more precise description? |
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| 00:58 | <Gaartboom> | faheem: I fixed it like this: sudo -i |
| 00:58 | <Gaartboom> | xauth merge my-username/.Xauthority |
| 00:58 | <Gaartboom> | export DISPLAY=:1006.0 |
| 00:59 | <Gaartboom> | faheem: thank you! |
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| 01:05 | <faheem> | Gaartboom: that DISPLAY variable looks a bit fragile |
| 01:05 | <faheem> | assuming you have saved it in a file |
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| 01:07 | <sney> | the 'sux' command has the ability to let the superuser start X applications |
| 01:07 | <sney> | it's not sudo, but you can sudo sux |
| 01:09 | <Gaartboom> | sney: I did a reboot and see that i need tho put the fix again. How can i make this persistent? |
| 01:09 | <sney> | I just told you |
| 01:11 | <Gaartboom> | sney: ah ok, i'm new to linux so i need to get the feel with it. Thanks |
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| 01:29 | <DebJay> | anyone know the KDE applet that places a sound mixer in the notification area? |
| 01:30 | <leo> | is it possible to copy openjdk-6-jre downloaded in lenny onto squeeze? |
| 01:34 | <leo> | i guess no because it has lenny2_ in the name |
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| 01:35 | <leo> | but couldn't i just copy everyfile that has openjdk and the locations and put it all in the squeeze fs? |
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| 01:40 | <dbldtx> | IRSSI for the win! I just discovered how to be on multiple IRC servers using the same window... Meat and potatoes: What would be the best way to go about submitting an OpenOffice3 bug involving opening .xls? |
| 01:40 | <faheem> | leo: yikes. why don't you just install openjdk-6-jre from sqeeze? |
| 01:41 | <faheem> | dbldtx: cool. want to share? |
| 01:41 | <leo> | i suppose i could just means downloading 40 mb which i just downloaded last night |
| 01:41 | <faheem> | dbldtx: if it is an upstream bug, then find the oo bug tracker i guess |
| 01:42 | <leo> | just wanted to know if it's the same files in the same locations |
| 01:42 | <faheem> | leo: hard to tell. |
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| 01:42 | <faheem> | in general the same package from different versions of debian are not identical |
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| 01:43 | <leo> | ok i'll play it safe |
| 01:43 | <leo> | installing squeeze now brb |
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| 01:47 | <dbldtx> | Okay, so I tried it again without anything running and was able to recreate the bug. |
| 01:49 | <dbldtx> | Does anybody know how to make a .xls require repairing prior to opening? The crash I'm getting kills everything and spits me out to my xdm login (apparently this isn't supposed to happen in Linux, especially if you're running LAMP or something mission critical)? |
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| 01:50 | <dbldtx> | I tried to open a .xls and it required repairing. Instead of hitting cancel or repair file, I left it pending and attempted to then open a SECOND .xls that I know required repairing... I thought I would just click [repair][repair] and they'd both open... but that first pending one was too much for the second to handle? |
| 01:50 | <dbldtx> | Anyway, I rebooted and then tried, with nothing (almost nothing, at least) running, to open both at the same time. CRASH without even the pending... |
| 01:50 | <dbldtx> | So then I log back in and open one... click repair, and it's open. |
| 01:51 | <dbldtx> | Open the second, click repair, and it's also open. Is this a bug? Debian Squeeze Open Office 3 |
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| 01:52 | <diego> | hi, I'm looking for a graphical ide that does "diff -r dir1 dir2" or a console one that shows estimated time left |
| 01:52 | <diego> | so I dont get bored |
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| 01:53 | <dbldtx> | Looks like he got bored with the channel. |
| 01:54 | <franki^> | heh |
| 01:55 | <dbldtx> | "Do not say that you are bored. Instead, say that you are simply not poet enough to call forth life's riches." |
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| 01:56 | <franki^> | indeed, i don't believe in boredom :) |
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| 02:10 | <simonrvn> | dbldtx: LAMP servers don't a) have x running on them b) wouldn't have wine installed to run microcrap excel on them..., so that statement is a non-sequitur. |
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| 02:14 | <dbldtx> | Simonrvn; wouldn't have Open Office 3? |
| 02:14 | <dbldtx> | I was attempting to open a .xls sent from Vietnam |
| 02:14 | <simonrvn> | !paste |
| 02:15 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 02:15 | <simonrvn> | ^^^ |
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| 02:16 | <dbldtx> | simonrvn; understood. I am sorry - I did not paste though, it was an afterthought which provided more information relevant to the topic; information about the file that was producing the error. I know about paste. |
| 02:16 | <simonrvn> | dbldtx: no, put the file up at a file sharing site |
| 02:17 | <simonrvn> | dbldtx: or a web site you can put it up to easily |
| 02:17 | <dbldtx> | simonrvn; sensitive data and is no longer in disrepair. I'm currently reading about it and trying to figure out how to make a file need "repairing" -- I get you now, thought you were just being a dick but I understand. |
| 02:18 | <simonrvn> | haha |
| 02:18 | <simonrvn> | @ the being a dick |
| 02:18 | <simonrvn> | dbldtx: mm ok. 'cause i do have ooo 3 installed |
| 02:18 | <dbldtx> | :) Yes, I am working on it but other things taking my time at the present... will file this and bring it back up when I have the facts if need be. |
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| 02:20 | <simonrvn> | dbldtx: there might be some util in the repo that can convert the thing to something more sane |
| 02:21 | <simonrvn> | dbldtx: i *was* a bit hard you before with the non-sequitur stuff.. |
| 02:22 | <dbldtx> | simonrvn; It's sane now, I'm editing it just fine - opened it three times earlier today and only once of those it needed repairing... the bug arose when I tried to open it's sister-file which needed repairing also, when the first REPAIR FILE? option was still pending. |
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| 02:23 | <dbldtx> | simonrvn; It's okay, I've gotten far worse, and I just misunderstood your paste reference for you telling me to not say two lines when it could be said in one - I agree with that anyway. You're not a dick regardless and you actually contribute well. I can be a pain and am very annoying and I talk ENTIRELY too much for how much I know about Debian.. |
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| 02:27 | <simonrvn> | dbldtx: heh, well i try not to be a dick :P. |
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| 02:52 | <Gaartboom> | ok when i do a reboot when i'm in gnome, those top menus(applications, places and system) suddenly begin to work. Butt then offcourse the server restart. |
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| 02:53 | <dbldtx> | nick doubledutch |
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| 04:04 | <draconis> | is it possible to install from a live-disk? |
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| 05:07 | <EmleyMoor> | After all that, it looks like it's the motherboard |
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| 05:14 | <hingwah> | I just find that ia32-apt-get seem to be removed from debian, is there an alternative? |
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| 05:56 | <nk3> | dsl |
| 05:56 | <nk3> | :s |
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| 06:01 | <Nemoder> | grr why does udev set /def/fuse ownership to root:root |
| 06:01 | <Nemoder> | *dev |
| 06:02 | <Gathond> | Nemoder: becaus that is the default and you have not told it to do otherwise? |
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| 06:02 | <Nemoder> | I thought it used to be root:fuse |
| 06:02 | <Gathond> | I can't actually remember at the moment where it is you tell it differently though:) |
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| 06:03 | <Nemoder> | I know where I just don't know how, udev rules and docs are really confusing |
| 06:03 | <Gathond> | actually it may remember it |
| 06:03 | <Gathond> | so if you just change it manually then restart I think the permissions may be kept |
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| 06:03 | <Nemoder> | hm |
| 06:04 | <Nemoder> | looks like that worked, thanks |
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| 06:38 | <RexKiller> | evey (: |
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| 06:51 | <pepito> | hola, alguien que hable español para ayuda ?? |
| 06:51 | <azeem> | !es |
| 06:51 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:51 | <pepito> | gracias |
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| 07:02 | <janke> | Добрый день |
| 07:02 | <janke> | Можете подсказать как мне настроить интернет и сеть через хаб в дебиан? |
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| 07:21 | <hmh> | anyone rebooted an up-to-date unstable box in the last two days? |
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| 07:50 | <marcel> | moin |
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| 07:57 | <valdyn> | !tell hmh -about ask |
| 07:57 | <hmh> | valdyn: that WAS a direct question |
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| 07:59 | <hmh> | valdyn: but if you'd rather pester me with something this stupid, here is it again: did anyone manage to coldboot successfully an ia32 2.6.27 box with udev 147-* ? |
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| 08:39 | <jmut> | hi folks. I have memcached installed. But when PC starts only one instance of it will start. Should I create copy of /etc/init.d/memcached like /etc/init.d/memcached2 and force it to use another config or what is recommended approach? |
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| 09:08 | <Juanjo> | alguien español |
| 09:08 | <Juanjo> | ???? |
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| 09:15 | <cahoot> | !es |
| 09:15 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:16 | <abrotman> | he's gone |
| 09:16 | <cahoot> | ok back to nirvana |
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| 09:20 | <Lethalman_> | I need libGL.so.1 for 32-bit |
| 09:20 | <Lethalman_> | I have mesa drivers for ati |
| 09:20 | <Lethalman_> | what to do? |
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| 09:21 | <Lethalman_> | ah yes ia32-libs |
| 09:21 | <khalaf> | i can use google talk for video chat |
| 09:21 | <khalaf> | ? |
| 09:22 | <khalaf> | can i use google talk for video chat? |
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| 09:34 | <damiank> | hi |
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| 10:13 | <gernot> | Hi. What could be the reason that my CPU temperatur sensor (/sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/temp1_input) suddenly stopped working (only reporting 0)? |
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| 10:27 | <oorah> | there are a couple big bugs in ubuntu karmic, would it be a better idea to downgrade to jaunty or to get debian? |
| 10:29 | <noflash> | oorah, you're on a debian support channel..what do you think would be said ? |
| 10:29 | <cahoot> | oorah: considered the possible outcomes of that question in #debian? |
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| 10:29 | <oorah> | just askin for advice sorry |
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| 10:32 | <khalaf> | which program i can use for video chat on ubuntu |
| 10:32 | <khalaf> | which program i can use for video chat on ubuntu ? |
| 10:32 | <khalaf> | which program i can use for video chat on ubuntu |
| 10:32 | <khalaf> | which program i can use for video chat on ubuntu |
| 10:35 | <azeem> | khalaf: ask #ubuntu |
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| 10:44 | <leo> | hello, i need heaps of help |
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| 10:45 | <leo> | i'm trying to rescue squeeze and reinstall grub 2 over lilo but have rescued a corrupt lenny on a different partition |
| 10:45 | <leo> | and i have a non bootable grub 2 atm |
| 10:46 | <leo> | i can't seem to rescue the squeeze partition because "EXT4-fs: Update your userspace programs to mount using ext4" |
| 10:46 | <leo> | how do i do that please? |
| 10:47 | <leo> | problem being not mounting |
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| 10:48 | <leo> | "/target failed: Invalid argument" |
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| 10:49 | <leo> | also i see a "FATAL: Module lvm_mod not found" |
| 10:49 | <leo> | i think this all has something to do with the logical volume i setup and then deleted in the partitioning process |
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| 10:56 | <leo> | my main issue is ext4 not being recognised by installer / rescue / grub |
| 10:56 | <leo> | if anyone has some ideas i'd be much obliged |
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| 11:00 | <leo> | and grateful |
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| 11:08 | <Xeross[sick]> | What other locations then ~/.bashrc are ran similiarly |
| 11:09 | <Xeross[sick]> | I have a script I put somewhere that shows the current git branch but I have no clue which file and it aint ~/.bashrc |
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| 11:11 | <bighornram> | I'm trying to use reportbug to submit a bug but not getting an email confirmation nor is the report appearing in the list of submitted bugs. I can send mail from commandline successfully. |
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| 11:14 | <weasel> | bighornram: how long ago did you send it? |
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| 11:16 | <bighornram> | I sent one within the last 15 minutes but was unsuccessful in submitting about a week ago. I was on the road and connected from a different location then, am home now and thought possibly was a firewall issue. |
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| 11:16 | <weasel> | if it isn't there after an hour or so tell us again? |
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| 11:17 | <bighornram> | weasel: will do. :D thanks |
| 11:17 | <bighornram> | should I be able to see a log entry if an email was sent? |
| 11:18 | <weasel> | reportbug might have sent mail using your sendmail, or it might have connected to bugs-master directly |
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| 11:21 | <leo> | nevermind proceeding to reinstall with ext3 |
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| 11:28 | * | EmleyMoor had better start putting money aside for future repairs, once this one is out of the waf |
| 11:28 | <EmleyMoor> | way |
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| 11:40 | <EmleyMoor> | One of the parts of a raid6 I have is offline - how do I bring it back? (I've forgotten how I did it before) |
| 11:42 | <EmleyMoor> | Found it... |
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| 11:45 | <MSameer> | any idea why loading pcspkr disables the console beep (testing) ?? |
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| 11:47 | <cahoot> | conflicting with already loaded snd-pcsp perhaps? |
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| 11:47 | <MSameer> | both are not loaded |
| 11:48 | <MSameer> | when I load one of them, the beep disappears |
| 11:48 | <MSameer> | T61 if that makes a difference |
| 11:48 | <MSameer> | and lost the beep under X completely :( |
| 11:49 | <cahoot> | biss |
| 11:49 | <cahoot> | meh |
| 11:49 | <MSameer> | yeah odd :) |
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| 11:51 | <patrikf> | MSameer: at least on some systems, you can disable the system speaker using alsamixer. I'm not entirely sure how that works concept-wise, but you might check that. |
| 11:52 | <MSameer> | but I want to enable it not to disable it |
| 11:52 | <MSameer> | I can't live without it |
| 11:52 | <MSameer> | sort of :) |
| 11:52 | <patrikf> | MSameer: I mean that it might be disabled through alsa. |
| 11:52 | <MSameer> | mmm |
| 11:52 | <MSameer> | now I have the beep when I press C-G |
| 11:53 | <MSameer> | but not under X |
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| 11:53 | <MSameer> | with pcspkr and snd-pcsp unloaded |
| 11:53 | <MSameer> | which makes me wonder... What's X/Gnome doing in the background |
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| 11:54 | <jharr> | Is there anything I can do to apt to have it automatically install -dev packages along with the normal packages? |
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| 12:02 | <zas> | hi somebody use debian with kernel 2.6.30 with driver nvidia? |
| 12:02 | <zas> | i have problems with module-assistant, whent that try compile |
| 12:04 | <Yoda-BZH> | zas with testing ? |
| 12:04 | <zas> | Yoda-BZH, yeah |
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| 12:05 | <Yoda-BZH> | use nvidia-kernel-source from unstable |
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| 12:06 | <zas> | Yoda-BZH, that packet is th eproblem, when module-assistant try compile make an error |
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| 12:07 | <Yoda-BZH> | zas use the one from unstable, not testing |
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| 12:07 | <zas> | Yoda-BZH, can you tell me the respository? |
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| 12:08 | <Yoda-BZH> | http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:10 | <zas> | Yoda-BZH, thanks i will try now to install |
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| 12:13 | <runev> | I've tried setting up my wireless on two machines now using wpa_supplicant. One with ndiswrapper drivers, and one with kernel-shipped drivers. In both cases i get "Bit Rate = 1 Mb/s" and very slow download speeds. Trying to set "iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M" manually doesn't help either. Anyone with ideas on what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 12:17 | <cahoot> | nothing useful in dmesg/logs? |
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| 12:20 | <runev> | cahoot, only thing i see in dmesg is CTS protection enabling and disabling itself after i first associated with my AP |
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| 12:21 | <runev> | nothing in messages of relevance |
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| 12:21 | <cahoot> | runev: what kind of device is this? |
| 12:23 | <runev> | one is a dlink dwl-g510 pci card set up with ndiswrapper from XP drivers, and the other is a bcm4317 where i had to manually download new firmware from wirelesslinux.org |
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| 12:23 | <cahoot> | so it's two different wlan devices (mis)behaving ? |
| 12:23 | <runev> | yeah |
| 12:24 | <runev> | so i'm guessing i'm the weak link |
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| 12:24 | <runev> | bad configuration or something |
| 12:24 | <cahoot> | the router being the root of the problem? |
| 12:24 | <sney> | or possibly the router itself. how long has it been since you last power cycled it |
| 12:24 | <sney> | mine tends to get a little bit of gunk in the tubes if I leave it on constantly for more than 6 months or so |
| 12:24 | <runev> | it's not a problem on my two win7 workstations, so i've ruled that out .. but i've tried that a few times already |
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| 12:28 | <runev> | pastebin.ca/1672316 |
| 12:28 | <runev> | could anything i've done there be the root of my problem? |
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| 12:33 | <cahoot> | runev: debian kernel - not a custom? |
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| 12:40 | <runev> | cahoot: yes, 2.6.26-2-686 on both machines |
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| 12:57 | <MSameer> | got my bill back! |
| 12:57 | <MSameer> | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551590 |
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| 13:17 | <kapeed> | gdeepk: Hi |
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| 13:31 | <stopkin> | Ку |
| 13:31 | <bighornram> | weasel: still no success with reportbug |
| 13:32 | <stopkin> | oi |
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| 13:32 | <weasel> | bighornram: what's your email address? |
| 13:32 | <bighornram> | jwolf+2uk8h3iy@doemail.org |
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| 13:33 | <weasel> | don't see that in the mail log |
| 13:33 | <bighornram> | and I can send mail from commandline successfully |
| 13:33 | <bighornram> | what else can I check? |
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| 13:34 | <weasel> | just send a regular email and don't use reportbug? |
| 13:34 | <weasel> | (/me not a huge fan of reportbug) |
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| 13:35 | <weasel> | bighornram: see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting - the gist is that you send mail to submit@bugs.debian.org, with Package: and Version: pseudo headers |
| 13:35 | <EmleyMoor> | Experience suggests that there's fewer problems changin the motherboard of a Debian box than doing the same to a Windows box - but are there any points I should watch for? |
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| 13:42 | <faheem> | bighornram: what do your mail logs say about the reportbug mail? |
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| 13:43 | <faheem> | EmleyMoor: same motherboard or different? |
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| 13:43 | <EmleyMoor> | faheem: Different. |
| 13:45 | <faheem> | EmleyMoor: i assume your installation is making assumptions about what kernel modules to load and so forth. so it might not boot properly with the new mb |
| 13:45 | <faheem> | but i have no experience with this |
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| 13:46 | <bighornram> | faheem: Which file would contain that info? mail.log? |
| 13:47 | <faheem> | bighornram: what is your mta? if exim4, then /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 13:47 | <faheem> | possibly with a number after it, like mainlog.1 |
| 13:47 | <faheem> | postfix would be similar, i assume |
| 13:47 | <EmleyMoor> | The last time I had do to a motherboard change (in fact, even more than the motherboard), it went far better than I expected |
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| 13:47 | <faheem> | EmleyMoor: maybe the system has got smarter. |
| 13:47 | <faheem> | EmleyMoor: you got it to boot, then? |
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| 13:49 | <EmleyMoor> | faheem: Yes - and I expected trouble there but it just worked straight away. This time I don't expect any trouble but you never know when Murphy is waiting in the wings. |
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| 13:50 | <faheem> | EmleyMoor: well, the debian installer has improved dramatically in the time i've been using Debian |
| 13:51 | <faheem> | the potato installer couldn't detect anything. you had to tell it what kernel modules to use and so forth |
| 13:51 | <EmleyMoor> | Wish it wasn't necessary but USB has gone horribly flaky on this one |
| 13:52 | <faheem> | EmleyMoor: what is the mb? |
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| 13:53 | <bighornram> | faheem: I dont' see any entries for reportbug in mainlog |
| 13:54 | <EmleyMoor> | New is Asos M3A79-T Deluxe |
| 13:54 | <EmleyMoor> | Asus |
| 13:54 | <EmleyMoor> | Not sure what old is... will see if I can find box or book |
| 13:55 | <faheem> | bighornram: grep for 'debian' |
| 13:55 | <faheem> | bighornram: the entry looks like - 2009-11-14 21:39:55 1N9V1u-0008JX-IG => submit@bugs.debian.org ... |
| 13:55 | <faheem> | that's a bug i sent yesterday |
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| 13:57 | <faheem> | bug report, i mean |
| 13:58 | <bighornram> | the whole file is only 20 lines long and only shows test messages I sent to myself and start queue runs and end queue runs. |
| 13:58 | <bighornram> | doesn't appear that reportbug is attempting to send |
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| 14:04 | <faheem> | bighornram: strange. should be fixable, though |
| 14:04 | <faheem> | do you have any other mtas installed? not sure debian would allow that, but anyway... |
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| 14:04 | <bighornram> | faheem: no only exim |
| 14:04 | <faheem> | you just have a mainlog, no mainlog.1 or anything? |
| 14:05 | <bighornram> | have others |
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| 14:05 | <faheem> | wonder if reportbug needs to be configured |
| 14:05 | <faheem> | wrt the mta i mean |
| 14:05 | <faheem> | bighornram: did it ask you questions about the mta when you first ran it? |
| 14:06 | <cahoot> | a bugreport on reportbug? |
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| 14:06 | <faheem> | cahoot: yes, his report didn't get sent |
| 14:06 | <bighornram> | faheem: just did reportbug --configure and it simply asks if i have an mta and then asks about a proxy. that's it |
| 14:06 | <faheem> | apparently not getting to exim |
| 14:06 | <bighornram> | also my email address and name etc. which it correctly identifies |
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| 14:07 | <faheem> | bighornram: weird |
| 14:08 | <faheem> | bighornram: if you type mailq does it show anything? |
| 14:08 | <faheem> | it should return nothing |
| 14:08 | <bighornram> | nothing |
| 14:09 | <bighornram> | how do i check the permissions that reportbug has? |
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| 14:09 | <faheem> | bighornram: what is your exim config, smarthost? |
| 14:09 | <bighornram> | maybe a permissions issue |
| 14:09 | <faheem> | bighornram: how do you mean? |
| 14:09 | <bighornram> | yes |
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| 14:10 | <bighornram> | well i can send mail from commandline but reportbug can't seem to |
| 14:10 | <bighornram> | maybe permissions of some kind? |
| 14:10 | <bighornram> | i know exim is working |
| 14:10 | <bighornram> | and not blocked |
| 14:10 | <faheem> | bighornram: don't think it is a permissions issue. but could be wrong |
| 14:10 | <faheem> | might be a routing issue |
| 14:11 | <weasel> | bighornram: have you verified that reportbug sends mail using your MTA? |
| 14:11 | <faheem> | like your return headers are screwed up. but should get to exim regardless |
| 14:11 | <bighornram> | weasel: that is what I think the issue might be. how can i check that? |
| 14:12 | <weasel> | as I told you, I don't know reportbug. why don't you just avoid it? |
| 14:12 | <faheem> | weasel: what else could it be trying to use? |
| 14:12 | <faheem> | weasel: because it is convenient? |
| 14:12 | <weasel> | faheem: smtp to bugs-master. |
| 14:12 | <faheem> | also it includes necessary info for packagers |
| 14:12 | <weasel> | most of which is almost always crap |
| 14:12 | <faheem> | they like that. and it is customizable, so they can say what info they want |
| 14:13 | <faheem> | weasel: the packagers don't seem to think so |
| 14:13 | <weasel> | I think so |
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| 14:13 | <weasel> | and I am one of them |
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| 14:13 | <weasel> | never yet has all this crap been useful to me |
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| 14:13 | <faheem> | there was a heated discussion with the reportbug-ng guy once, because he wouldn't cooperate on that front |
| 14:13 | <faheem> | weasel: depends what you package i suppose |
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| 14:13 | <weasel> | anyway, reportbug doesn't work for him |
| 14:14 | <weasel> | so changing to something else would be a valid strategy |
| 14:14 | <weasel> | if only to get more data |
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| 14:14 | <faheem> | weasel: it should be fixable |
| 14:14 | <faheem> | i admit i don't have any ideas right now how to do so |
| 14:14 | <weasel> | it no doubt is |
| 14:14 | <weasel> | but it's just not time effective |
| 14:15 | <faheem> | bighornram: if you have some bugs to file right now, i suggest you do so using regular mail, and perhaps see if you can find a more specialized forum to ask in |
| 14:15 | <faheem> | bighornram: must be annoying. sorry. |
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| 14:16 | <bighornram> | faheem: is ok, will report via email. |
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| 14:28 | <faheem> | bighornram: random thought. try with reportbug-ng and see if that works |
| 14:28 | <faheem> | it is a different program |
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| 14:51 | <bighornram> | faheem: reconfigured reportbug to use text interface and not gtk and seems to have submitted successfully. |
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| 14:52 | <Lethalman> | bighornram, what problem did you encounter using reportbug gtk? |
| 14:52 | <bighornram> | Lethalman: doesn't send |
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| 14:53 | <Lethalman> | bighornram, you hit "Send" and it doesn't? |
| 14:53 | <bighornram> | yes |
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| 14:53 | <bighornram> | Lethalman: acts as if it completes the submission but it doesn't and there is no entry in mail logs |
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| 14:54 | <bighornram> | I reconfigured to use text instead and it completed and sent |
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| 14:54 | <urbinek> | hi |
| 14:54 | <urbinek> | how to burn CD image in .iso file on DVD disk ? |
| 14:54 | <Lethalman> | bighornram, does it say "you will receive an email blabla..." at the end of the submission? |
| 14:54 | <urbinek> | k3b says that i cant |
| 14:54 | <bighornram> | yes |
| 14:54 | <urbinek> | or i cant find an option |
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| 14:55 | <bighornram> | but never get a confirmation |
| 14:55 | <Lethalman> | bighornram, how did you reconfigure reportbug? maybe you used some different policies for mail sending? like smtp, etc.? |
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| 14:55 | <Lethalman> | could retry sending a test bug report (using --debug) with --ui gtk option? |
| 14:55 | <faheem> | bighornram: weird. sounds like a bug |
| 14:56 | <faheem> | did you report the reportbug issue? |
| 14:56 | <Lethalman> | faheem, looks like it changed the smtp configuration to me |
| 14:56 | <Lethalman> | *he |
| 14:56 | <Lethalman> | usually "send report" in the gtk interface falls back to the reportbug engine to send email, doesn't change between text and gtk |
| 14:56 | <faheem> | bighornram: with no input from you? that really sounds funny |
| 14:56 | <bighornram> | Lethalman: I ran reportbug --configure and it went through the setup questions again, I changed to text instead of gtk2 |
| 14:57 | <Lethalman> | bighornram, ok could you do what I said please? |
| 14:57 | <faheem> | well, no different input from you, presumably... |
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| 14:57 | <faheem> | Lethalman: are you a reportbug maintainer? |
| 14:57 | <Lethalman> | faheem, the gtk part |
| 14:57 | <faheem> | Lethalman: ah, that's good |
| 14:58 | <faheem> | bighornram: i'd follow his instructions |
| 14:58 | <Lethalman> | yes I have to do update the gtk part lately :) |
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| 14:58 | <faheem> | bighornram: you are running sid? |
| 14:58 | <bighornram> | faheem: I'm running squeeze |
| 14:58 | <bighornram> | testing |
| 14:59 | <bighornram> | Lethalman: what did you say to do? |
| 14:59 | <faheem> | bighornram: ok. |
| 14:59 | <Lethalman> | bighornram, run reportbug --debug --ui gtk |
| 14:59 | <Lethalman> | create a fake bug report and send it |
| 14:59 | <bighornram> | K |
| 14:59 | <Lethalman> | it should mail the bug to your mailbox |
| 14:59 | <Lethalman> | errr --ui gtk2 |
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| 15:09 | <bighornram> | Lethalman: this time it went through to a couple other prompts and completed. I got a confirmation email this time also. mainlog also indicates it sent. |
| 15:10 | <Lethalman> | bighornram, good, then there were some differences between your first configuration and the second configuration |
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| 15:10 | <Lethalman> | I think you can replace text with gtk2 in your ~/reportbugrc if you want to keep using gtk interface |
| 15:10 | <Lethalman> | thanks for your help bighornram :) |
| 15:11 | <bighornram> | awsome thanks! |
| 15:11 | <drbombay> | hello all, could some provide me a link on installing debian onto a raid0 running lvm2 |
| 15:12 | <EmleyMoor> | drbombay: The installer lets you set up RAID and LVM "as you go" |
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| 15:20 | <faheem> | Lethalman: what was the problem? |
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| 15:21 | <Lethalman> | faheem, he re-run the configuration to switch to text, in the while he would have changed smtp configuration too |
| 15:22 | <faheem> | Lethalman: i see, you mean if he changed the smtp config, that would have broken reportbugs setup? |
| 15:22 | <Lethalman> | faheem, the problem was in "sending the mail", so yes that caused the problem |
| 15:23 | <faheem> | Lethalman: right, i meant the smtp/sending part of reportbug's setup |
| 15:23 | <faheem> | funny, my reportbug setup is basically blank |
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| 15:28 | <leonardo> | st |
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| 15:28 | <leonardo> | list |
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| 15:40 | <sdsdsd> | hello guys, if i make a backup of my partition (partimage), format my partition, and put my backup on computer again, errors on my partition will stop? |
| 15:41 | <sdsdsd> | im getting a lot of 'segmentation faults' these days |
| 15:41 | <sdsdsd> | (btw, im using Squeeze AMD64, 2.6.31-6) |
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| 15:42 | <Gathond> | I would guess not if partimage does what I think it does, i.e. makes an image of the whole thing including filesystem |
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| 15:43 | <Gathond> | what makes you think the segmentation fault is related to the partition and not the actual disk or memory/CPU/motherboard |
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| 15:44 | <sdsdsd> | humm, so i was thinking... there is a way to get a list of my packages and then format my partition and install all packages again? |
| 15:45 | <sdsdsd> | Well, after some segmetation faults, i get some errors and i have use fsck manually.... |
| 15:46 | <faheem> | sdsdsd: segfaults often mean hardware problems. first thing i would do is run some hardware checks |
| 15:46 | <faheem> | particularly RAM |
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| 15:48 | <sdsdsd> | and it is a Laptop, with hard disk... and I bring with me all the time... which indicates that I may have shocked him with something, and lost part of HD ... |
| 15:49 | <sdsdsd> | well, how to do a RAM test? |
| 15:49 | <sdsdsd> | How to do a complete hardware check? |
| 15:49 | <faheem> | memtest86+ for example |
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| 15:50 | <faheem> | for RAM, that is |
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| 15:51 | <sdsdsd> | humm, i know memtest86+, but this way i'll have to restart computer... |
| 15:51 | <sdsdsd> | another checks, like processor and motherboard, how to do they? |
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| 16:05 | <dzielny> | ss |
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| 16:13 | <Aleric> | Is there a vuze toolbar for linux? |
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| 16:14 | <valdyn> | thank god no |
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| 16:15 | <Aleric> | I found one.. but don't trust them... |
| 16:15 | <Aleric> | they want to directly install something on my machine |
| 16:15 | <Aleric> | http://vuze.ourtoolbar.com/ |
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| 16:16 | <valdyn> | Aleric: thats not for linux |
| 16:16 | <Aleric> | oh well.. says System requirements "windows, Mac, Linux" at the bottom :/ |
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| 16:20 | <doubledutch> | You don't want vuze anything. |
| 16:20 | <valdyn> | vuze is trash too, sure |
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| 16:22 | <Aleric> | What do you use then? |
| 16:22 | <valdyn> | Aleric: transmission is fine and neat |
| 16:22 | <valdyn> | Aleric: rtorrent is the best |
| 16:22 | <Aleric> | ... to download torrents |
| 16:23 | <valdyn> | Aleric: ( but its a text interface ) |
| 16:23 | <Aleric> | k |
| 16:23 | <Aleric> | huh |
| 16:23 | <valdyn> | Aleric: if you have used vuze you might want to try transmission |
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| 16:24 | <titi_linux> | hi, I(and my friends) extended the game glest a lot by making a very big new data package for it. ( megapack at http://www.titusgames.de ) |
| 16:24 | <titi_linux> | Its all with proper licenses ( GPL ) |
| 16:24 | <titi_linux> | Is this package an option to be included in debian? |
| 16:24 | <titi_linux> | Who and where do I have to ask if someone is willing to maintain/include it in debian? |
| 16:24 | -!- | titi_linux was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
| 16:24 | <valdyn> | !wnpp |
| 16:24 | <dpkg> | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 16:25 | <valdyn> | oo |
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| 16:27 | <titi_linux> | hi, I(and my friends) extended the game glest a lot by making a very big new data package for it. ( megapack at http://www.titusgames.de ) |
| 16:27 | <sdsdsd> | i used memtest86+ 4.0, and it found about 500000 errors, but when it comes at 25% my computer halt. |
| 16:27 | <titi_linux> | Is this package an option to be included in debian? |
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| 16:28 | <titi_linux> | Who and where do I have to ask if someone is willing to maintain/include it in debian? |
| 16:28 | <sdsdsd> | i think that may be an error on memtest86+ itself so ill try again with a older and stabler version |
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| 16:30 | <sdsdsd> | btw, it solves the error by itself? (like skiping bad blocks?) |
| 16:30 | <sdsdsd> | \ |
| 16:31 | <enderst> | the only wat to solve the error is to replace the bad stick of ram |
| 16:31 | <valdyn> | sdsdsd: more likely your ram is just broken |
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| 16:32 | <valdyn> | !tell titi_linux -about wnpp |
| 16:32 | <valdyn> | titi_linux: find tarzeau on here or somewhere |
| 16:32 | <sdsdsd> | broken like "ill have to buy a new one" or like, "ill have to fix it with something" |
| 16:32 | <sdsdsd> | ? |
| 16:33 | <enderst> | replace |
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| 16:34 | <sdsdsd> | oh no... |
| 16:34 | <sdsdsd> | well, but the OS can just skip the broken parts? |
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| 16:34 | <enderst> | nope |
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| 16:35 | <enderst> | welllll yes, after you remove the bad stick ;) |
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| 16:36 | <enderst> | try reseating it, maybe different slot |
| 16:36 | <silvering> | got a problem guys, fresh installed lenny doesnt mount usb on startup.. last week it mount it on /media/disk with shortcut on desktop and in the sidepane in thunar, now its nowhere |
| 16:37 | <enderst> | silvering: unplug/plug it in while watching dmesg |
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| 16:38 | <sdsdsd> | i have two 1GB modules.. 2 slots... i belive that on linux i never used the other module |
| 16:38 | <silvering> | enderst thanks, but i'll have to go now in emergency case.. i`ll deal with this later |
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| 16:42 | <titi_linux> | valdyn who is tarzeau? |
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| 16:45 | <titi_linux> | ok, I'll try to find a forum where I can ask . byby |
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| 16:47 | <valdyn> | ooo, /whois tarzeau |
| 16:47 | <valdyn> | goner.. |
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| 16:51 | <T_X--> | hi there, I just shrinked my encrypted ext3 partition with resize2fs. ehm, how can I determine the number of blocks for cryptsetup resize? |
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| 16:52 | <box02> | hello, I would like to know how many packages available for Debian GNU/Linux? |
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| 16:52 | <abrotman> | !dstats lenny |
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| 16:53 | <dpkg> | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22971 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59051 MB installed size, 20844 MB compressed size. |
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| 16:53 | <abrotman> | box02: as a rough guess ^^^ |
| 16:53 | <abrotman> | and that's stable .. unstable would have more |
| 16:53 | <box02> | wow .. amazing .. thank you very much :-) |
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| 16:54 | <abrotman> | !dstats sid |
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| 16:55 | <dpkg> | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 27280 packages, 2088 maintainers, 80581 MB installed size, 29777 MB compressed size. |
| 16:55 | <T_X--> | I read in a tutorial, that the the size for cryptsetup would have to be determined by trial and error with (g)parted, but I'm wondering if I could break anything if choosing it too small |
| 16:55 | <box02> | wow OMG .. :-) |
| 16:56 | <box02> | @abrotman Thank you so much. I'm very proud of being Debian user. :-) |
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| 17:11 | <box02> | hello abrotman, one more please, those all packages are under GNU license? |
| 17:11 | <box02> | All are Open Source? |
| 17:11 | <abrotman> | box02: the GPL? or open source licenses? |
| 17:11 | <abrotman> | box02: not sure if those numbers include non-free or not, but i'd guess they do |
| 17:12 | <box02> | yes GNU GPL or some other Open Source License? |
| 17:12 | <box02> | yeah abrotman, thanks |
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| 17:12 | <eightyeight> | hmm. i'm stuck. i grabbed the latest devel installer, as it supports putting down an ext4 filesystem, and it has the kernel with my lan card driver, but it won't boot |
| 17:12 | <eightyeight> | any ideas? |
| 17:13 | <eightyeight> | i _really_ would like to get ubuntu off this netbook |
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| 17:14 | <abrotman> | it won't boot? |
| 17:14 | <abrotman> | as in? it never even prompts you? |
| 17:14 | <eightyeight> | at the 'boot:' prompt, i should mention |
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| 17:15 | <eightyeight> | 'expert' 'linux' or just plain <enter> bounces me back to "boot:" |
| 17:15 | <eightyeight> | so, i'm not loading the kernel |
| 17:16 | <abrotman> | eightyeight: perhaps ask #debian-boot |
| 17:16 | <eightyeight> | ok |
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| 17:23 | <fgh> | any good rssfeed with debian news? |
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| 17:23 | <pup_user____> | hi. what's wrong with this line in a scrip? |
| 17:23 | <pup_user____> | "/usr/bin/mplayer -gui" |
| 17:24 | <pup_user____> | are my quotes in the wrong place? |
| 17:24 | <weasel> | there is no program called '/usr/bin/mplayer -gui' |
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| 17:25 | <weasel> | you probably just want to get rid of the quotes, since there might be an mplayer that takes an argument -gui |
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| 17:27 | <pup_user____> | yeah. |
| 17:27 | <pup_user____> | got it already thx |
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| 17:29 | <Nazcafan> | hi |
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| 17:29 | <Nazcafan> | I wanted to report a bug, but reportbug also crashes |
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| 17:30 | <Nazcafan> | this is quite discouraging |
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| 17:35 | <abrotman> | Nazcafan: you can use your email |
| 17:35 | <Nazcafan> | I'll try that |
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| 17:36 | <Nazcafan> | abrotman, it is quite ironic that the very tool that is supposed to help users to send bug reports is to a certain extent not usable |
| 17:37 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 396] by debhelper |
| 17:37 | <abrotman> | Nazcafan: are you using unstable ? |
| 17:37 | <Nazcafan> | testing |
| 17:37 | <Nazcafan> | which is the same, when it comes to reportbug (same version) |
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| 17:46 | <peej> | what do the curly brackets mean in the response to aptitude -s safe-upgrade? eg: libgpod4{a} linux-headers-2.6.26-2-486{a} |
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| 17:49 | <peej> | oh, {a} for automatically installed (man aptitude, -W option) |
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| 17:57 | <faheem> | Nazcafan: you could also try reportbug-ng |
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| 17:58 | <Nazcafan> | faheem, I just sent an email, hoping it will work |
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| 17:58 | <faheem> | Nazcafan: are you also reporting the reportbug bug? :-) |
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| 17:59 | <Nazcafan> | faheem, there are so many bug reports for bug report that I am unsure it hasn't already been reported |
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| 18:00 | <Nazcafan> | !paste |
| 18:00 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 18:00 | <Nazcafan> | faheem, http://paste.debian.net/51630/ |
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| 18:03 | <confused1> | hello, i have a problem with my source list i think. When i tried to install any software like apt-get install xchat , its giving me many dependencies. Also when i tried to apt-get update , its stucking at somewhere. Any suggestions ? |
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| 18:05 | <Nazcafan> | abrotman, I sent the bug report but never received any acknowledgement, how long is it supposed to take? |
| 18:05 | <gsimmons> | dpkg: tell confused1 -about bat |
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| 18:06 | <faheem> | Nazcafan: looks nasty. i |
| 18:06 | <faheem> | would still report it |
| 18:07 | <faheem> | this is the gtk2 version, yes? |
| 18:07 | <Nazcafan> | yes it is |
| 18:07 | <abrotman> | Nazcafan: can take up to an hour |
| 18:07 | <faheem> | the gtk reportbug maintainer was here earlier |
| 18:07 | <gustux> | hi! I'm having problems with sarg |
| 18:07 | <gustux> | can anyone help? |
| 18:07 | <faheem> | apparently not any longer |
| 18:08 | <faheem> | Nazcafan: is can take a while, depending how backed up the system is |
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| 18:08 | <faheem> | Nazcafan: you could use the text version |
| 18:08 | <faheem> | i think the gtk2 version is not so stable |
| 18:09 | <Nazcafan> | abrotman, I sent one many hours ago, and didn't receive anything, so I assumed reportbug had crashed, and sent another one by email |
| 18:09 | <gustux> | hum... |
| 18:09 | <gustux> | I installed on aptitude on the fly |
| 18:09 | <gustux> | =/ |
| 18:09 | <Nazcafan> | gustux, sarge is quite outdated, and I am not sure it is still supported |
| 18:09 | <faheem> | gustux: are you actually using sarge? |
| 18:09 | <gustux> | aptitude search sarg ... and I install |
| 18:09 | <Nazcafan> | sarg |
| 18:10 | <Nazcafan> | aaah |
| 18:10 | <faheem> | Nazcafan: oh. sarg is a package? |
| 18:10 | <gustux> | sim |
| 18:10 | <gustux> | yes |
| 18:10 | <gustux> | sarg |
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| 18:10 | <Nazcafan> | good evening |
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| 18:10 | <faheem> | Sarg is a Squid Analysis Report Generator ...? |
| 18:10 | <gsimmons> | gustux: You still need to define your problem. |
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| 18:10 | <gustux> | Apache created the squid-reports, only that there is nothing |
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| 18:11 | <gustux> | I do not think the sarg.conf, has nothing in the / ETC |
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| 18:12 | <mase> | gustux this might be ok (no /etc files) in the case sarg is just a application which you give the log files to |
| 18:13 | <gustux> | then he is running normal? |
| 18:14 | <confused1> | hello, i have a problem with my source list i think. When i tried to install any software like apt-get install xchat , its giving me many dependencies. Also when i tried to apt-get update , its stucking at somewhere. Any suggestions ? # http://paste.debian.net/51633/ |
| 18:14 | <gustux> | q told me there is a configuration file sarg, the better I get the source code and install |
| 18:14 | <gustux> | thank's mase |
| 18:15 | <faheem> | gustux: installing from source is unlikely to help you, unless the debian package is really broken |
| 18:15 | <faheem> | this is lenny? |
| 18:15 | <gustux> | you all |
| 18:15 | <mase> | confused1 and whats "apt-get -f install" telling? |
| 18:16 | <gustux> | the reality is that I'm with the distribution backtrack, I'll change the etc / apt / sources to the debian lists |
| 18:16 | <gustux> | you all, thank's |
| 18:16 | <confused1> | mase: WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version 2.6.8 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it before installing glibc. |
| 18:17 | <confused1> | more detailed : http://paste.debian.net/51634/ |
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| 18:18 | <mase> | confused1 wow, what kernel do you have? still an 2.4.xx? i had such an problem to, was very difficult to resolve... |
| 18:19 | <faheem> | confused1: what release are you running? |
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| 18:19 | <confused1> | sorry im not good at debian, how can i learn my release ? |
| 18:20 | <dr|z3d> | uname -a |
| 18:20 | <faheem> | confused1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:20 | <mase> | well, either "cat /etc/debian_version" which is not very reliable |
| 18:20 | <dr|z3d> | Try that from a terminal/console |
| 18:20 | <confused1> | Linux doby 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:21 | <mase> | confused1 i had this problem too, by the need of uprading kernel 2.4.xx to 2.6.xx |
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| 18:21 | <confused1> | how can i upgrade it without cd |
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| 18:22 | <mase> | cant remember how i solved it because there were always conflicts (with initrd-tools etc) |
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| 18:22 | <confused1> | better i install from beginning right ? |
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| 18:22 | <faheem> | confused1: over the network. no, don't need to reinstall |
| 18:23 | <faheem> | confused1: what is cat /etc/debian_version? |
| 18:23 | <confused1> | cat: /etc/debian_version?: No such file or directory |
| 18:24 | <faheem> | confused1: ok, that's a bit scary |
| 18:24 | <faheem> | confused1: no, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:24 | <streuner__> | confused1: without questionmark... |
| 18:24 | <faheem> | no question mark :-) |
| 18:24 | <confused1> | ups 5.0 |
| 18:24 | <faheem> | confused1: ok, lenny then |
| 18:25 | <mase> | but lenny should not use a 2.4.xx kernel... |
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| 18:25 | <faheem> | confused1: paste the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 18:25 | <confused1> | http://paste.debian.net/51635/ |
| 18:26 | <mase> | you did an upgrade from etch to lenny sometime? |
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| 18:27 | <faheem> | confused1: does http://paste.debian.net/51634/ correspond to apt-get -f install? |
| 18:27 | <confused1> | actually i started to work for some company, the old guy leave after i start. I mean already system was installed |
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| 18:27 | <confused1> | yes faheem |
| 18:28 | <faheem> | confused1: this looks a bit of a mess. your installation of libc6 is failing, and the old version still reports as installed |
| 18:29 | <faheem> | is may be worth trying to downgrade to the etch version of libc6 |
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| 18:29 | <confused1> | what i have to do , any suggestion ? |
| 18:29 | <faheem> | apt-get install libc6=2.3.6.ds1-13etch |
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| 18:30 | <confused1> | E: Version '2.3.6.ds1-13etch' for 'libc6' was not found |
| 18:30 | <faheem> | this might break your system, but you've got major problems alredy |
| 18:30 | <abrotman> | he's using lenny ? |
| 18:30 | <confused1> | 5.0 lenny i think |
| 18:30 | <faheem> | abrotman: with a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:30 | <faheem> | and libc6 is not upgraded properly |
| 18:30 | <abrotman> | so .. aptitude install linux-image-<arch> libc6 ? |
| 18:31 | <faheem> | confused1: yes, give that a try |
| 18:31 | <faheem> | downgrading may be too risky |
| 18:31 | <abrotman> | is this a productino machine ? |
| 18:31 | <confused1> | i tried but gave me this error , E: Version '2.3.6.ds1-13etch' for 'libc6' was not found |
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| 18:32 | <abrotman> | confused1: what does uname -r say ? |
| 18:32 | <faheem> | apt-get install libc6=2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 18:32 | <confused1> | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:32 | <faheem> | missing the final 5 |
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| 18:32 | <faheem> | but maybe abrotman's approach is better, dunno |
| 18:32 | <abrotman> | confused1: aptitude install linux-image-486 libc6 |
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| 18:33 | <confused1> | abrotman its running right now |
| 18:33 | <confused1> | Remove the following packages: webmin Score is -301 Y/n/q ? |
| 18:33 | <confused1> | yes ? |
| 18:33 | <abrotman> | if you're not using it .. sure |
| 18:33 | <dr|z3d> | webmin.. the entire channel will tell you "yes!" remove. |
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| 18:33 | <dr|z3d> | !webmin |
| 18:33 | <dpkg> | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 18:34 | <faheem> | dr|z3d: funny quote |
| 18:35 | * | dr|z3d smirks. |
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| 18:35 | <dr|z3d> | -301 is the karma points you won't get if you don't remove.. |
| 18:35 | <dr|z3d> | Go figure. |
| 18:35 | * | dr|z3d winks. |
| 18:39 | <mase> | is it possible to have two servers with mysql-servers, syncronising each other. the db-servers should have the same content. one of the server may get powered off some time and should get updated when he is up again |
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| 18:40 | <abrotman> | mase: mysql can do clustering ... see the documentation or ask #mysql on freenode |
| 18:41 | <confused1> | abrotman, i did aptitude install linux-image-486 libc6 . and i get error http://paste.debian.net/51637/ |
| 18:42 | <abrotman> | confused1: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 18:42 | <confused1> | http://paste.debian.net/51638/ |
| 18:43 | <faheem> | confused1: you can use paste.lisp.org, which has the advantages of allowing paste annotations |
| 18:43 | <abrotman> | so does paste.debian.net ? |
| 18:43 | <faheem> | abrotman: news to me |
| 18:44 | <confused1> | http://paste.lisp.org/+1XSL |
| 18:44 | <faheem> | confused1: have you tried running - apt-get -f install repeatedly? |
| 18:44 | <abrotman> | confused1: add "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main" to your sources.list |
| 18:44 | <faheem> | sometimes that can help |
| 18:44 | <abrotman> | this is going to be ugly |
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| 18:44 | <confused1> | abrotman i add it |
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| 18:45 | <faheem> | is seems to want the etch 2.6 kernel for some reason |
| 18:45 | <abrotman> | confused1: aptitude update ; aptitude -t oldstable install linux-image-486 |
| 18:45 | <confused1> | ok its running |
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| 18:47 | <peteinlux> | hello, im in a post aptitude update & upgrade situation. Nmap on localhost shows multiple services I never asked for, rcconf shows everything on. Is there a place where I can get a translation for these daemons? |
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| 18:48 | <peteinlux> | this is a vps, and I do not want a situation where the system does not boot, but also it would be nice to see if any of theses services could be usefull |
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| 18:54 | <confused1> | abrotman , now it gave me this # http://paste.debian.net/51639/ |
| 18:55 | <abrotman> | confused1: did it install the kernel or not ? |
| 18:55 | <confused1> | its installed many things , how can i be sure ? |
| 18:55 | <faheem> | confused1: run - apt-get -f install |
| 18:55 | <faheem> | if everything is ok it will do nothing |
| 18:56 | <abrotman> | that won't work probably .. |
| 18:56 | <abrotman> | he'll probably have to say a very long prayer .. reboot the mahcine .. then finish the dist-upgrade |
| 18:56 | <confused1> | apt-get -f install giving me http://paste.debian.net/51640/ |
| 18:56 | <faheem> | confused1: looks ok to me |
| 18:57 | <faheem> | confused1: yes, i'd reboot into the new 2.6.18 kernel now |
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| 18:57 | <confused1> | ok be right back , im going to disconnect probably |
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| 18:59 | <confused1> | rebooted |
| 19:00 | <faheem> | confused1: well, you can get online, that's good |
| 19:00 | <confused1> | Linux doby 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sat Dec 27 08:57:46 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:00 | <faheem> | i'd now do an apt-get upgrade, followed by a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:00 | <faheem> | or use aptitude if you prefer |
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| 19:00 | <confused1> | oh thanks its good now |
| 19:00 | <confused1> | thank you guys for share ur time for me |
| 19:00 | <faheem> | confused1: you haven't finished your upgrade |
| 19:01 | <faheem> | unless you want more problems, suggest you do that now |
| 19:01 | <confused1> | do i have to apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 19:01 | <abrotman> | confused1: remove that line i gave you earlier |
| 19:01 | <abrotman> | confused1: then we'll continue from there |
| 19:02 | <themill> | (s/stable/lenny/ should be on the todo list) |
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| 19:02 | <confused1> | ok the chat history deleted, what i have to do now abrotman |
| 19:02 | <faheem> | themill: i think he has that commented out |
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| 19:03 | <abrotman> | confused1: edit /etc/apt/sources.list .. delete the line that has the 'etch' in it .. and change everywhere that says 'stable' to say 'lenny' |
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| 19:08 | <confused1> | abrotman http://paste.debian.net/51641/ is this good ? |
| 19:08 | <abrotman> | confused1: comment out the 'oldstable' line |
| 19:08 | <abrotman> | and change everywhere it says 'stable' to 'lenny' |
| 19:09 | <themill> | and don't use ftp.debian.org |
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| 19:09 | <faheem> | confused1: take out or replace the ftp:// |
| 19:09 | <abrotman> | confused1: actually .. let me fix it for you |
| 19:10 | <confused1> | would be better |
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| 19:11 | <abrotman> | confused1: http://paste.debian.net/51642/ |
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| 19:12 | <confused1> | im going to clear everything and im going to paste ur link |
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| 19:12 | <abrotman> | the contents .. yes |
| 19:13 | <confused1> | ok done |
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| 19:13 | <abrotman> | confused1: aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude dpkg && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 19:13 | <nadjan> | ola a todos |
| 19:13 | <nadjan> | algum brasileiro aqui |
| 19:14 | <abrotman> | !br |
| 19:14 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:14 | <abrotman> | judd: info zabbix --release lenny |
| 19:14 | <nadjan> | nao sei como usar isso aqui |
| 19:14 | <nadjan> | estou aprendendo |
| 19:14 | <abrotman> | nadjan: #debian-br |
| 19:14 | <nadjan> | tem canal de ubuntun |
| 19:14 | <abrotman> | nadjan: #ubuntu-br on irc.freenode.net |
| 19:14 | <confused1> | is aptitude update mean same with apt-get update ? |
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| 19:15 | <abrotman> | confused1: please use aptitude |
| 19:15 | <confused1> | aptitude: command not found |
| 19:15 | <nadjan> | esta dizendo q nao existe ou esta errado o endereço |
| 19:15 | <abrotman> | confused1: apt-get update && apt-get install aptitude && aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude dpkg && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 19:15 | <abrotman> | nadjan: english ehre |
| 19:15 | <abrotman> | here |
| 19:16 | <nadjan> | alguem ai pode me ajudar |
| 19:16 | <abrotman> | nadjan: english here |
| 19:16 | <themill> | nadjan: /server irc.freenode.net ; /join #ubuntu-br |
| 19:17 | <nadjan> | deu a mesma mensagem |
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| 19:17 | <nadjan> | bom aqui serve |
| 19:17 | <abrotman> | nadjan: /server irc.freenode.net |
| 19:18 | <themill> | nadjan: É no irc.freenode.net. Não é sobre este servidor. |
| 19:18 | <nadjan> | bom ja coloquei esse ai de cima e diz q esta errado |
| 19:19 | <nadjan> | Endereço desconhecido. Enganou-se no endereço? |
| 19:19 | <abrotman> | !br |
| 19:19 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:22 | <confused1> | abrotman its seems going to take long time, still running . Do i need to do after these process finish ? |
| 19:22 | <abrotman> | depends how well it goes |
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| 19:23 | <TERRIVELBR> | ola tudo |
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| 19:27 | <RobbieThe1st> | Hi all |
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| 19:38 | <confused1> | abrotman, am i going to lose any of my configuration ? like iptables , squid ? |
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| 19:39 | <abrotman> | hopefull ynot |
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| 20:03 | <gesichtslos> | Has anyone experienced issues with their Compiz's 3D Desktop Cube's rotation keys not working? |
| 20:04 | <gesichtslos> | I have <ctrl><alt>Button1 but when I do it it just drags the blue selection box on my desktop. If I click the plugin on that off it will work for one rotation then get stuck again. |
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| 20:32 | <inkbottle> | Hi, I want gnome applet 'fortune' to call fortune with LANG=C; but if i put that in the preferences it doesn't work |
| 20:32 | <inkbottle> | it is the same with .desktop file (in case the two problems are related) |
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| 20:39 | <faheem> | abrotman: good job on fixing that upgrade |
| 20:39 | <faheem> | you have experience with such things? |
| 20:39 | <abrotman> | faheem: you mean totally breaking machines and rescuing them? |
| 20:40 | <abrotman> | faheem: personally i don't think so, but i've seen it often enough here |
| 20:40 | <faheem> | abrotman: well, you didn't do any of the breakage :-) |
| 20:40 | <faheem> | abrotman: no, i meant the rescue part |
| 20:40 | <abrotman> | well, he never said if it was successful |
| 20:40 | <faheem> | after someone else screwed up |
| 20:40 | <faheem> | abrotman: looked successful to me |
| 20:40 | <abrotman> | faheem: right .. i've helped others that had done the same thing |
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| 20:42 | <confused1> | its done , last message is Current status: 1 update [-250], 12842 new [-2]. |
| 20:42 | <abrotman> | confused1: how is it working out ? |
| 20:42 | <confused1> | just finished |
| 20:42 | <abrotman> | confused1: you'll probably want to reboot |
| 20:42 | <abrotman> | !bless confused1 |
| 20:42 | <dpkg> | O $DEITY, bless your child confused1, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 20:42 | <confused1> | i hope i can get online again, lets see |
| 20:43 | * | abrotman thinks the humor got lost somewhere |
| 20:43 | <faheem> | amen to that |
| 20:43 | <faheem> | good luck, confused1 |
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| 20:44 | <confused1> | here i am |
| 20:45 | <confused1> | where i have to look now |
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| 20:46 | <confused1> | Linux doby 2.6.26-2-486 #1 Wed Nov 4 20:19:07 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:47 | <faheem> | confused1: looking good. upgrade complete? |
| 20:47 | <confused1> | yes seems completed |
| 20:47 | <faheem> | !thank abrotman |
| 20:47 | <dpkg> | de rien, faheem |
| 20:47 | <faheem> | !thanks abrotman |
| 20:47 | <dpkg> | de rien, faheem |
| 20:47 | <faheem> | bugger |
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| 20:48 | <confused1> | thank you very much faheem & abrotman |
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| 20:49 | <faheem> | confused1: you can now change your nick :-) |
| 20:50 | <confused1> | :) yes you are right |
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| 20:51 | <abrotman> | confused1: hold up a moment |
| 20:51 | <abrotman> | confused1: you'll want to look for packages that are left over from etch .. and you'll probably want a kernel more suited to your CPU |
| 20:53 | <confused1> | what i have to do |
| 20:53 | <faheem> | dpkg -l | grep etch |
| 20:53 | <dpkg> | No packages found matching | grep etch |
| 20:53 | <faheem> | would be a start |
| 20:53 | <faheem> | $ dpkg -l | grep etch |
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| 20:54 | <eightyeight> | or you could 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 20:54 | <eightyeight> | hmm. nm |
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| 20:54 | <crazyb0y> | anyone using dependency-based boot system? |
| 20:55 | <eightyeight> | solaris is |
| 20:55 | <crazyb0y> | squeeze too =) |
| 20:55 | <faheem> | crazyb0y: what is a dependency-based boot system? |
| 20:55 | <crazyb0y> | i'm having problems with migrating to dependency-based boot system |
| 20:55 | <crazyb0y> | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 20:55 | <crazyb0y> | heh =) |
| 20:56 | <eightyeight> | crazyb0y: you may be interested in upstart, if you're not already |
| 20:56 | <abrotman> | crazyb0y: what about it isn't working ? |
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| 20:57 | <crazyb0y> | http://pastebin.com/m11c0f345 |
| 20:57 | <crazyb0y> | http://pastebin.com/m3521ee84 |
| 20:59 | <crazyb0y> | abrotman: i can't migrate, there's something wrong what i can't understand =) |
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| 21:00 | <abrotman> | crazyb0y: it's telling you that your init scripts aren't up to par |
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| 21:01 | <crazyb0y> | abrotman: i have to rename them to 20firewall? 20openvpn? 20qmail.firewall? |
| 21:01 | <abrotman> | i don't think so |
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| 21:02 | <crazyb0y> | what is an LSB tag? |
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| 21:03 | <crazyb0y> | The /etc/init.d/X script is lacking the LSB fields. Adding them to the script header or as a override file in /etc/insserv/overrides/X would solve it. |
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| 21:04 | <alex__> | good morning guys and gals |
| 21:04 | <alex__> | anyone about? |
| 21:04 | <alex__> | i'm pulling my hair out |
| 21:04 | <crazyb0y> | abrotman: but i dunno what is a correct LSB tag =) |
| 21:05 | <abrotman> | i'd guess the stuff at the top of the normal init scripts ? |
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| 21:42 | <tonyd> | Maybe this is a show of extreme linux ignorance, but does anyone know how to install a compiz theme in debian 5.0 using the xfce desktop? |
| 21:42 | <sney> | I found a howto online a while ago, but the fact of the matter is that compiz only likes gnome and kde, and the others you have to hack to make it work |
| 21:43 | <sney> | hopefully they will fix that in a future release |
| 21:43 | <tonyd> | What themes can I get? I was on an xfce site. What about beryl? |
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| 21:44 | <tonyd> | The themes with xfce are okay, but I want a better one. Maybe I should change desktop environments? Is there a better one? I did not care for kde it was kinda slow |
| 21:46 | <tonyd> | I like the windows transparency in xfce, does any of the others have that feature? |
| 21:46 | <tonyd> | **do |
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| 21:53 | <tonyd> | noone can offer their opinion? lol |
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| 21:59 | <tuzi> | ? |
| 21:59 | <tonyd> | That's what I said lol |
| 21:59 | <sney> | tonyd: I don't think a lot of people here use compiz |
| 21:59 | <sney> | I tried it once, couldn't get it to work properly with xfce, forgot about it |
| 21:59 | <tonyd> | Well, It is a compiz/beryl theme. |
| 22:01 | <tonyd> | I just want some opinions on the various desktop environments. I like xfce better than gnome and kde, but I cant find any themes? if I did wouldn't be able to install them. I have compiz installed, but don't even know what it is or if it is doing anything at all other than taking up space |
| 22:03 | <sney> | compiz is a set of software for using your graphics accelerator to make the desktop. It's basically a bunch of eye candy. the most famous thing is the 'rotating cube' desktop switcher |
| 22:03 | <goodger_> | tonyd: compiz is a window manager that adds a large quantity of resource-intensive special effects to windows, most of which are implemented in order to make Ubuntu look cooler than Windows Vista |
| 22:06 | <Nemoder> | tonyd: install/run compizconfig-settings-manager to see all the stuff you can do with it |
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| 22:08 | <leo> | got grub 2 (squeeze) to recognise vista but when try boot into vista i get GRUB and nothing happens |
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| 22:11 | <leo> | i just have a blinking underscore |
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| 22:14 | <abrotman> | did you install os-prober too ? |
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| 22:26 | <int_80h> | hi guys |
| 22:28 | <leo> | abrotman, yes |
| 22:28 | <leo> | i'm going to have to give up unfortunately and use vista to control booting |
| 22:29 | <leo> | need to repair vista by tonight |
| 22:29 | <sney> | does vista do the same 2-partition thing as 7? |
| 22:29 | <Krazyesko> | anyone play quake live and dont have any issues ? |
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| 22:31 | <int_80h> | hope it's not rude to ask, but why do you say that leo? |
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| 22:32 | <leo> | i need to use vista tonight for a recording and have a job interview now so time is critical |
| 22:33 | <leo> | once i repaired vista, i don't know how to restore linux |
| 22:33 | <int_80h> | i boot vista and 7 from grub, no problems |
| 22:33 | <int_80h> | you can use a rescue cd or an emergency boot floppy... |
| 22:33 | <leo> | grub 2? |
| 22:33 | <int_80h> | im sure people have already gone over this with you, i'm late to the discussion (: |
| 22:33 | <int_80h> | i dont use grub 2 |
| 22:33 | <rjent> | leo: Not sure what you need but you should consider a live cd to boot and do your work then take your time on the repair |
| 22:33 | <int_80h> | havent had time to learn the new syntax/havent had a reason to upgrade |
| 22:33 | <rjent> | live cd of flavor linux |
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| 22:34 | <int_80h> | yes, rjent has a good suggestion...you can kill two birds with one stone that way sometimes |
| 22:34 | <rjent> | I like debian-live but I am biased |
| 22:34 | <leo> | the install cd recognises vista when reinstalling grub but then it's not on the list |
| 22:34 | <leo> | until i go 'osprober' |
| 22:35 | <rjent> | forget all the problems and just use a live cd if time is of the essance |
| 22:35 | <int_80h> | i do not use osprober, i manually manage my grub entries |
| 22:35 | <int_80h> | booting vista or win7 is as easy as root, makeactive, chainloader +1 usually |
| 22:36 | <leo> | i think makeactive i could try on the grub2 win entry |
| 22:36 | <leo> | i would use a livecd but i don't have one |
| 22:37 | <leo> | unfortunately have a job agency interview to goto now |
| 22:38 | <int_80h> | good luck |
| 22:38 | <leo> | thanks rjent, i may download a live cd when i get back |
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| 22:38 | <int_80h> | aw, no thanks for me |
| 22:38 | <int_80h> | :P |
| 22:38 | <int_80h> | okay guys, here's a question i've been mulling for a while |
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| 22:38 | <int_80h> | has anyone ever wanted to install something through apt that has unnecessary dependencies? |
| 22:39 | <abrotman> | such as ? |
| 22:39 | <rjent> | yes example please |
| 22:39 | <int_80h> | how do YOU get around them? you can force it to install but apt will not work after, or you can create a virtual package to fool apt into thinking the dependencies are there |
| 22:39 | <abrotman> | are you sure you don't mean Recommends ? |
| 22:39 | <int_80h> | no, i have recommends disabled |
| 22:39 | <int_80h> | i should be more clear |
| 22:39 | <int_80h> | i am sure the dependency is there |
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| 22:39 | <int_80h> | but it will run without |
| 22:40 | <int_80h> | e.g. i wanted to install kpat just now, and it wants esound, arts support, libavahi, etc |
| 22:40 | <rjent> | If a package has dependency that should be recommends then you should file issue with the maintainer |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | because it probably depends on kdelibs .. which wants all that stuff |
| 22:40 | <int_80h> | right, so it is a multi-level dependency on stuff that the individual app does not strictly need |
| 22:40 | <int_80h> | i have had this issue before |
| 22:41 | <int_80h> | i wanted to install something the other day that wanted to install swsusp! which is clearly Not Necessary |
| 22:41 | <int_80h> | my point was not to start a discussion on the dependency system per se, but ask if anyone ever has the need to work around it that i perceive (: |
| 22:43 | <Nemoder> | you would have to rebuild the package from source to not use those dependencies |
| 22:43 | <int_80h> | yes, that is an option |
| 22:43 | <int_80h> | albeit a somewhat tedious one |
| 22:44 | <int_80h> | kpat runs fine without, for example, libavahi being on the system. although kdelibs wants it, it's not necessary for kpat |
| 22:44 | <int_80h> | so i can get around this with virtual packages MUCH easier than installing from source |
| 22:44 | <Nemoder> | in that case you would have to rebuild kdelibs to not require avahi |
| 22:45 | <int_80h> | i disagree with your use of 'have to', nemoder :P |
| 22:45 | <int_80h> | but i recognise this is your recommendation |
| 22:46 | <tonyd> | what is beryl is it better than compiz? |
| 22:46 | <abrotman> | beryl is dead |
| 22:47 | <int_80h> | beryl re-merged with compiz a while ago, tonyd |
| 22:47 | <int_80h> | you can read about it on wikipedia |
| 22:47 | <Nemoder> | afaik beryl was a fork of the original compiz that merged back into compiz fusion |
| 22:47 | <tonyd> | oh. is there a better alternative to compiz or is the alternative to do without? |
| 22:47 | <int_80h> | what's your problem with compiz? |
| 22:47 | <int_80h> | is it not doing something you need? |
| 22:48 | <tonyd> | nothing really a problem just don't know how to set it up and I am using xfce, |
| 22:48 | <int_80h> | xfce does not have a manager that can be replaced by compiz atm, afaik |
| 22:48 | <tonyd> | Is there a desktop environment better than xfce? |
| 22:49 | <int_80h> | everyone uses what is best for them (: |
| 22:49 | <int_80h> | i use fluxbox, many MANY people use gnome, or KDE |
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| 22:49 | <int_80h> | so 'better' is too relative for me to say |
| 22:49 | <rjent> | Is gome smaller in footprint wrt memory than kde4? |
| 22:50 | <int_80h> | i dunno. check the 'size' field for kdelibs and kde-data vs gnome-core maybe? |
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| 22:51 | <tonyd> | I did not care for kde or gnome, I am a 24 year windows user so I need something close to familiar and easy for the novice to figure out. It seems like rocket science to do the simplest things to me. Like finding where my porograms are installed so I can add a shortcut to my panel, lol |
| 22:51 | <int_80h> | i don't think most people use gnome or kde if they care about footprint |
| 22:51 | <int_80h> | imo |
| 22:51 | <int_80h> | tonyd, windows is not natural to use. you spent 24 years using it |
| 22:51 | <int_80h> | nothing will be as easy to you immediately as windows is now |
| 22:52 | <int_80h> | but gnome is probably as easy to use for a complete noob as windows is |
| 22:52 | <int_80h> | they are quite similar in some respects |
| 22:52 | <int_80h> | i hope that made sense, haha |
| 22:53 | <tonyd> | I am not computer illiterate by any means, but I just don't know how to do the things I want to do in linux. Can anyone suggest a good guide online to teach myself? |
| 22:53 | <tonyd> | and yes it made sence |
| 22:53 | <tonyd> | sense |
| 22:54 | <tonyd> | sorry got a baby in one arm typing with the other |
| 22:55 | <int_80h> | tonyd, i learned originally but learning one task at a time. figure out something simple you can't do yet, and learn it |
| 22:56 | <int_80h> | the more of these tasks you figure out the broader your knowledge will become, as you learn the 'linux way' of doing things |
| 22:56 | <int_80h> | you may also start to be able to discern between those tutorials written for the gui and those for the cli, and i find the cli tutorials to be more explanatory |
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| 23:16 | <spazztic665> | sorry to bother again guys but...is it possible to lan Debian with a windows vista and if so...can linux connect to the internet using the windows vista internet connection? |
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| 23:24 | <itsosimpo> | hello friends! just got a new laptop and i want to install debian in one partition. what distro is best for these specs: Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo (2.2 GHz) ? |
| 23:25 | <itsosimpo> | err, here: http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-a505-s6980/4507-3121_7-33776110.html?tag=psum |
| 23:26 | <sney> | good choice, toshibas are usually pretty good for driver support |
| 23:26 | <itsosimpo> | yeah that's what i hear too |
| 23:26 | <itsosimpo> | i'm on a compaq presario right now |
| 23:26 | <itsosimpo> | the driver support is okay |
| 23:26 | <itsosimpo> | great for my wireless |
| 23:26 | <sney> | wireless is such a grab bag |
| 23:27 | <itsosimpo> | haha i hear that toshiba's internal wireless is supported in some linux distros |
| 23:27 | <itsosimpo> | i hope it works fine with mine |
| 23:27 | <sney> | lately toshiba has been using some little realtek USB wifi adapters inside the case, which is a supported device |
| 23:27 | <itsosimpo> | the only problem i've had with this distro on my compaq is my ipod shuffle |
| 23:27 | <itsosimpo> | but that was resolved easily with a python script |
| 23:27 | <itsosimpo> | nice |
| 23:28 | <sney> | so what do you mean by "which distro?" debian is only one |
| 23:28 | <sney> | if you're talking about debian-based stuff they have their own channels and are not supported here :P |
| 23:29 | <itsosimpo> | err i mean.... i'm confused about the architecture |
| 23:29 | <sney> | ahh |
| 23:29 | <itsosimpo> | this is intel core2 duo, is it i386? |
| 23:29 | <sney> | i386 and AMD64 will both work |
| 23:30 | <itsosimpo> | hm, it's interesting that AMD64 will work |
| 23:30 | <sney> | amd got there first so they get the architecture name. Debian amd64 is for any x86_64 cpu |
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| 23:31 | <itsosimpo> | i thought intel always releases stuff first |
| 23:31 | <sney> | not every time |
| 23:32 | <sney> | Intel still downplays x86_64's advantages, and will probably continue to do so until 4GB+ ram amounts are more common |
| 23:32 | <spdupee> | is there any good sit to see how to config apache2 to allow user directories? |
| 23:32 | <int_80h> | may i take this moment to recommend, while we're on the topic, that new users not run amd64, as you may (will) have some issues that have complicated workarounds |
| 23:33 | <sney> | spdupee: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ |
| 23:33 | <itsosimpo> | hm i'm guessing i386 is 32 bits? |
| 23:33 | <sney> | int_80h: heh, it seems to vary from machine to machine, but yes. i386 is better supported. |
| 23:33 | <sney> | itsosimpo: bingo |
| 23:34 | <itsosimpo> | how about ia64? |
| 23:34 | <sney> | ia64 is not for yours |
| 23:34 | <sney> | it's for a different kind of CPU that intel makes for high-end servers |
| 23:34 | <sney> | completely unrelated to i386/amd64/etc |
| 23:35 | <int_80h> | the itanium :D :D |
| 23:35 | <itsosimpo> | oh that sounds fancy. okay well i'm going to take advantage of 64 bits computing |
| 23:35 | <int_80h> | flash probably won't work for you |
| 23:35 | <int_80h> | if you're using a desktop |
| 23:35 | <itsosimpo> | i'm going with the amd64 |
| 23:35 | <int_80h> | that's the most immediate issue |
| 23:36 | <itsosimpo> | int_80h: why won't flash work for me? |
| 23:36 | <sney> | int_80h: he may need backports/squeeze for wifi support anyway. Toshiba likes the RTL8187B for wireless and that's only supported by 2.6.27 and later |
| 23:36 | <itsosimpo> | oh |
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| 23:36 | <itsosimpo> | hrm. |
| 23:37 | <sney> | itsosimpo: if you have a wired network connection available, don't worry about it. get the base system installed and come back. helping with wifi is one of the things #debian is great at |
| 23:37 | <int_80h> | see, this is why i recommend 32bit for desktops at this time |
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| 23:37 | <int_80h> | i run 64 on my servers |
| 23:38 | <itsosimpo> | oh it's not a desktop, it's a laptop: http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-a505-s6980/4507-3121_7-33776110.html?tag=psum |
| 23:38 | <sney> | itsosimpo: if you don't have more than 3.5GB of ram, you won't notice a difference between i386 and amd64, so you migh as well go with i386 for the better software support/fewer bugs |
| 23:38 | <itsosimpo> | i have 4 gigs |
| 23:38 | <faheem> | sney: he might add more ram later, though |
| 23:39 | <itsosimpo> | and i might add more :) :) |
| 23:39 | <sney> | and he already has 4 gigs |
| 23:39 | <faheem> | itsosimpo: what is your mb ram capacity? |
| 23:39 | <faheem> | sney: not that much these days |
| 23:39 | <faheem> | the machines i regularly work on have 64 gig |
| 23:39 | <sney> | faheem: yeah. I'm still chugging along with 2G here |
| 23:39 | <faheem> | depends what you are doing, i suppose |
| 23:39 | <sney> | definitely |
| 23:40 | <int_80h> | itsosimpo: it's up to you, just be aware of the challenges you will face. flash doesn't run natively in 64 (there is a plugin, but it's alpha) |
| 23:40 | <int_80h> | so you'll need to run a 32bit browser |
| 23:40 | <faheem> | itsosimpo: flash works fine on 64bit |
| 23:40 | <int_80h> | which means maintaining a 32bit library setup |
| 23:40 | <faheem> | i use it |
| 23:40 | <faheem> | on lenny at least |
| 23:40 | <int_80h> | it is alpha. it crashes a lot on my boxes. which are lenny |
| 23:40 | <sney> | works in squeeze too |
| 23:40 | <siskulous> | I run that 64 bit flash plugin....It's a real PITA. |
| 23:40 | <int_80h> | so you see, there is a mixed reception |
| 23:40 | <sney> | ok, so it's a "maybe works" as opposed to a "doesn't work" |
| 23:40 | <itsosimpo> | yeah i've been on debian for less than a year |
| 23:40 | <faheem> | int_80h: flash crashes all the time anyway, where 32b or 64 :-) |
| 23:40 | <sney> | maybe is much better |
| 23:41 | <int_80h> | haha I am not telling anyone not to use 64, I just want the poor fellow to know he may have some troubles! |
| 23:41 | <int_80h> | it IS harder, unquestionably, to run 64bit |
| 23:41 | <faheem> | int_80h: fair enough |
| 23:41 | <itsosimpo> | i'm on compaq 32-bits, 3 gigs ram |
| 23:42 | <faheem> | personally, not that big a deal either way i think. my home machine is 32b, office machine 64b |
| 23:42 | <itsosimpo> | that's okay i'll atleast have other partitions to run applications if i need them |
| 23:42 | <faheem> | i haven't noticed much difference in usability at all |
| 23:42 | <sney> | and you can always bounce back to windows if you get completely lost |
| 23:42 | <sney> | brb, rebootin' |
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| 23:42 | <siskulous> | I will say this: I run 64 bit Squeeze on 2 machines and the only trouble I have is with Flash. |
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| 23:43 | <siskulous> | One of those machines is a Toshiba Satellite, though not the model you linked to. |
| 23:43 | <sney> | I changed my mind |
| 23:43 | <sney> | I got lenny running on a satellite a210 without too much trouble a while ago |
| 23:46 | <faheem> | when people say flash here, are they talking embedded in a web browser (which is the only way I use it) or something else? |
| 23:46 | <faheem> | i think embedded flash is the major reason my web browsers crash. |
| 23:47 | <siskulous> | Bah....my GoogleFu sucks tonight....Anyone know where I can find the changelogs for the radeonhd driver? |
| 23:47 | <faheem> | siskulous: changelogs.debian.net or just go to packages.qa.debian.org and follow links |
| 23:47 | <siskulous> | Thanks |
| 23:48 | <itsosimpo> | oh boy i just realized that this is the server channel |
| 23:48 | <faheem> | i think there is a link to the changelog from packages.qa.debian.org from every source package page |
| 23:48 | <faheem> | itsosimpo: ? |
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| 23:51 | <sney> | itsosimpo: this is the general #debian channel, but probably more people run linux on servers than on desktops/laptops |
| 23:52 | <itsosimpo> | oh okay, thank you |
| 23:52 | <int_80h> | itsosimpo yeah but all the desktop people come here anyway, don't worry about it |
| 23:52 | <sney> | it's only bad when they're actually running ubuntu and expecting us to help :| |
| 23:53 | <int_80h> | hahaha i cannot understand why they would do that, ubuntu has about three times the user-level support debian does |
| 23:53 | <int_80h> | still happens, though |
| 23:53 | <itsosimpo> | yyeah i'm not exactly sure why i like debian better than ubuntu |
| 23:54 | <itsosimpo> | i think i actually learn more using debian |
| 23:55 | <faheem> | itsosimpo: ubuntu is a snapshot of debian. they are not different things |
| 23:55 | <faheem> | the fact that people think this is a triumph of marketing |
| 23:56 | <itsosimpo> | faheem: what's wrong with that? |
| 23:57 | <faheem> | itsosimpo: what's wrong with what? |
| 23:57 | <itsosimpo> | that i think ubuntu is a triumph of marketing |
| 23:57 | <faheem> | itsosimpo: um, not sure i follow |
| 23:57 | <faheem> | maybe i was being unclear |
| 23:57 | <siskulous> | Bah, it's a snapshot of the unstable branch with junk added that makes it less stable. At least that was my experience with it. |
| 23:57 | <itsosimpo> | yeah, could you clarify? |
| 23:58 | <itsosimpo> | if it's less stable why does it look so much flashier? |
| 23:58 | <faheem> | what i meant to say was, the fact that people think Ubuntu is different from Debian is a triumph of marketing |
| 23:58 | <faheem> | itsosimpo: flashiness and stability have little to do with each other |
| 23:58 | <itsosimpo> | oh, i see. |
| 23:58 | <siskulous> | stability != flashiness. |
| 23:58 | <itsosimpo> | yeah, um. |
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| 23:59 | <siskulous> | Admittedly, my experience with Ubuntu is way out of date though. They may have improved in the three years or so since I last loaded it up to look at. |
| 23:59 | <faheem> | actually, if the whole Ubuntu business has shown anything, it is how important marketing is |
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| 23:59 | <faheem> | for years you couldn't get people to review the new Debian release |
| 23:59 | <Xenguy> | absolutely agreed. they are pushing the envelope, and that necessarily entails less stability - it's just common sense (and also my own experience) |
| 23:59 | <siskulous> | Yeah, they've got the marketing aspect down, which is good for Linux in general. |
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