| --- | Log | opened Tue Nov 10 00:00:32 2009 |
| --- | Day | changed Tue Nov 10 2009 |
| 00:00 | <goodger> | I have never heard of anyone complaining about iptables, so I shall have to take your word for it |
| 00:00 | <goodger> | damn it, my system load is above 8 again |
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| 00:01 | <goodger> | at least it's not up in the 20s like it was last week |
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| 00:01 | <kop> | goodger: Last time that happened to me it was the ssh brute-forcers. |
| 00:02 | <PovAddict> | 02:01:55 up 13 days, 10:41, 8 users, load average: 2.65, 2.68, 2.62 |
| 00:02 | <faheem> | kop: brute-forcers? |
| 00:02 | <kop> | faheem: Password cracking by trying all the possibilities/common passwords. |
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| 00:02 | <goodger> | kop: that's not happening here; I'm just doing five concurrent mv operations to an NFS share over 802.11g |
| 00:03 | <PovAddict> | haha |
| 00:03 | <kop> | goodger: No worries then. |
| 00:03 | <goodger> | I doubt my housemates have ever heard of SSH |
| 00:03 | * | kop is pissed off I can't even figure out another approach to diagnosing my problem. |
| 00:04 | <faheem> | kop: oh right. see a lot of that. |
| 00:04 | <goodger> | kop: I am entirely unable to help, sorry |
| 00:05 | <kop> | I wonder if it has anything to do with having a serial console setup? I should get all the messages on all the consoles.... |
| 00:05 | <faheem> | kop: can't you just downgrade temporarily? |
| 00:05 | <faheem> | or boot another kernel |
| 00:07 | <kop> | faheem: I've a backup. But that won't solve my problem. I'd like to be able to report the problem but that's hard when I can't get the box to boot. I suppose a restored kernel would boot it, but what a pain just to file a bug report. I've tried booting the 486 version and it suffers from the same problem. I suppose it's possible there's something wrong with the hd, but what would lock up the kernel with no console message? |
| 00:07 | <kop> | It's hard to tell how wedged it is, but it does not respond to ctrl-alt-del. |
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| 00:09 | <goodger> | ctrl-alt-del doesn't really qualify |
| 00:09 | <goodger> | does it respond to altgr-sysrq-b? |
| 00:09 | <kop> | I've tried disabling all the probing with a kernel parameter of ide.probe_mask=0x00, but that did not seem to do anything and I frankly can't tell if any of the kernel parameters I've tried are even valid. |
| 00:10 | <kop> | goodger: Dunno. I han't thought of the sysreq stuff. What does that do? |
| 00:10 | <kop> | goodger: Good idea. |
| 00:10 | <goodger> | kop: it issues an instant ACPI reboot signal |
| 00:11 | <faheem> | kop: you could just point grub to an external kernel, say on a cd or a usb stick and boot of that |
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| 00:11 | <faheem> | off, sorry |
| 00:11 | <faheem> | then you could install another kernel |
| 00:11 | <goodger> | (usually given as the last in R-E-I-S-U-B, not all of whose components I understand, but it gives the lovely expansion of "reboot even if system utterly broken") |
| 00:12 | <faheem> | though it seems to me some kind of hardware problem is also a possibility |
| 00:12 | <kop> | faheem: It seems to be booting the kernel, or else the initramfs would not load etc. |
| 00:12 | <faheem> | kop: yes, but it gets stuck, right? |
| 00:12 | <kop> | faheem: I've switched the drive to another box and the problem persists. |
| 00:13 | <kop> | goodger: I'll try using sysreq to bump up the console log level |
| 00:13 | <faheem> | kop: hmm. ok, missed that. |
| 00:13 | <goodger> | that's E or I, if I recall |
| 00:14 | <faheem> | if there is some corruption problem with the kernel, then that wouldn't help |
| 00:14 | <kop> | This will take a while. I have to physically switch the monitor if I'm to do irc while in front of the box (which is not right here). |
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| 00:16 | <faheem> | kop: is there some reason you don't want to try installing another kernel, or you think it won't help? |
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| 00:22 | <kop_> | Well, it responds to alt-sysrq-b. But alt-sysrq-9 does not seem to do anything for the verbosity of the messages. (Anyone say anything helpful while I was gone?) |
| 00:22 | <goodger> | faheem: best repeat your last message |
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| 00:32 | <kop_> | The conclusion I reach is that it must be doing some ide probing and never coming back. |
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| 00:34 | <kop_> | The sysreq 't' command prints out gobs. (But it all scrolls off the screen. :-P |
| 00:40 | <noz> | hi, i'm conecting a gps on my laptop but I don't know wich interfaz is using.... It's bluetooth |
| 00:40 | <noz> | dmesg does n't work |
| 00:40 | <PovAddict> | !doesn't work |
| 00:40 | <dpkg> | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 00:41 | <kop_> | Well, well. I got rid of all the serial console stuff in the kernel command line and now it boots. |
| 00:42 | <kop_> | Which is ok for the box I moved the drive to but the usual box is headless. (It barely has vga output, via some strange connector and custom cable.) |
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| 01:51 | <EmleyMoor> | My main system has stopped recognising my scanner (USB). What is the likelihood of this being the PSU? If not, it's likely to be the motherboard... |
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| 01:51 | <git-hi9h> | what kind of all in one / scanner is it? |
| 01:52 | <EmleyMoor> | Epson Perfection 2400 |
| 01:52 | <EmleyMoor> | Still works on my laptop |
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| 01:54 | <git-hi9h> | i have an hp all in one - i found proprietary driver from hp that works real well with it... maybe there is something like it for epson. |
| 01:54 | <EmleyMoor> | It's not a driver problew |
| 01:54 | <EmleyMoor> | problem |
| 01:54 | <EmleyMoor> | It won't even show on the bus |
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| 01:55 | <git-hi9h> | have you tried booting with it plugged in? |
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| 01:55 | <EmleyMoor> | lsusb takes ages with it plugged in and does not show it |
| 01:56 | <EmleyMoor> | Normal for me to do so |
| 01:56 | <EmleyMoor> | (has same effect in lsusb whether plugged in at boot or later) |
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| 02:01 | <git-hi9h> | there seems to be other reports of the same problem you are having with epson with desktop vs laptop. possibly with the amount of data sent causing the problem. |
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| 02:03 | <EmleyMoor> | It used to work just fine. I don't see how this can be anything to do with amounts of data. Please point me to one of these reports |
| 02:03 | <git-hi9h> | i am looking at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2008-May/021965.html |
| 02:04 | <jm_> | it's probably best to capture usb trace (usbmon.txt) and contact LKML |
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| 02:04 | <EmleyMoor> | That was me, and ages ago. That was dodgy backends |
| 02:05 | <EmleyMoor> | It is not even a similar problem this time |
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| 02:07 | <EmleyMoor> | This time, the scanner is never recognised |
| 02:08 | <EmleyMoor> | jm_: Not sure how that will help - this appears to be a hardware fault that has developed |
| 02:09 | <jm_> | EmleyMoor: how do you know it is a hardware fault? |
| 02:10 | <EmleyMoor> | Because (a) it has worked fine for the last year (b) it still does work fine on the laptop which has near identical software |
| 02:12 | <jm_> | so you didn't change a single thing in one year? |
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| 02:12 | <jm_> | does it have the same USB controller? etc. |
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| 02:14 | <EmleyMoor> | jm_: Likely not. Other USB devices generally still work. Also, I would at least expect it to show in lsusb |
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| 02:14 | <jm_> | EmleyMoor: well as you wish |
| 02:16 | <EmleyMoor> | I'll do anything you like to attempt to prove it one way or the other but in the absence of any other information I consider it proven |
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| 02:18 | <kop> | EmleyMoor: lsusb gives different results for root than for regular users, fyi. |
| 02:18 | <jm_> | the problem is USB is such a shit standard there are so many intricacies, so unless you're deeply familiar with it you have no way of figuring out why something doesn't work - heck, even if you are familiar you may resort to hardware anlysers - I am just helping you send a useful report, that's what kernel folks will ask for |
| 02:18 | <kop> | EmleyMoor: I've an epson, what sort do you have? |
| 02:19 | <EmleyMoor> | kop: Perfection 2400 |
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| 02:19 | <EmleyMoor> | In order for usbmon to be of use it seems to need the device recognised |
| 02:19 | <kop> | EmleyMoor: Nope, stylus cx3810. a cheapie |
| 02:20 | <EmleyMoor> | (device is not being recognised at all) |
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| 02:22 | <EmleyMoor> | I am absolutely sure it's not a kernel issue as the kernel has not changed significantly since it last worked |
| 02:25 | <EmleyMoor> | I have taken usbmon output - have no idea how to analyse it of course but what I need is a quick analysis by someone who does know so that I can get parts ordered quickly if, as I suspect, it is the hardware |
| 02:27 | <kop> | EmleyMoor: I would not be so sure. I just updated my kernel to 2.26-19lenny2 from 2.26-19lenny1 and now if I try to have a serial console the system hangs at boot. There's nothing in the security team's page that indicates to me any sort of change to the serial processing or the console, but then I don't consider myself cluefull. |
| 02:28 | <jm_> | no it can be used to trace what happens when you plug stuff in |
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| 02:29 | <jm_> | kop: do you have bootlog enabled? |
| 02:29 | <EmleyMoor> | jm_: Indeed, I tried it. Just looking for guidance as to what to do with it next. |
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| 02:29 | <jm_> | EmleyMoor: I am affraid post on LKML is the best I can come up with |
| 02:29 | <kop> | jm_: Probably not, because I don't know what it is and /var/log/boot is "empty". |
| 02:29 | <faheem> | kop: is there some reason you don't want to try installing another kernel, or you think it won't help? |
| 02:30 | <jm_> | kop: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 02:30 | <kop> | faheem: I want to use the stable kernel put out by the security team. They fixed something and I want the fix. And, I want to be able to continue to follow the security team's work in the future without things breaking. |
| 02:30 | <kop> | jm_: I've filed a bug and have been working all day to get the thing to boot. So I'm going to stop now and wait for a response to the bug. |
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| 02:31 | <kop> | jm_: Any reason that bootlogd is not on by default? It sounds useful. |
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| 02:33 | <stefano> | buongiorno a tutta la comunita |
| 02:33 | <faheem> | kop: possibly the stable kernel issue will get fixed eventually, but was just talking about dealing with the problem for now. |
| 02:33 | <faheem> | ie. unbootable machine |
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| 02:35 | <kop> | faheem: Yeah. But I've been cracked before and don't want to go through that ever again. |
| 02:35 | <kop> | faheem: And now, after poking it with a stick long enough, it boots. :-/ |
| 02:36 | <kop> | !tell stefano about it |
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| 02:37 | <kie27> | greetings all, making progress solving problems thanks to your help. current problem, trying to print out a double sided landscape pdf which displays nicely in xpdf, whether I print from xpdf with the command "lp -d epson" or "lp -d epson -o sides=two-sided-short-edge" it always gives me long edge binding, but i need short edge binding. any advice please? |
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| 02:39 | <jm_> | kop: there's a known bug with it that prevents it from being enabled by default, and serial console is another reason (isutf8 hangs) |
| 02:40 | <jm_> | kie27: tried using xpp? |
| 02:40 | <kie27> | jm_: i haven't heard of that before, will check it out, thanks. |
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| 02:41 | <kop> | kie27: FWIW, pdfjam and pdftk will let you mung the pdf -- which probably is the wrong thing to do. |
| 02:42 | <jm_> | kop: http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (for the bootlogd default thing) |
| 02:42 | <jm_> | if BTS works that is |
| 02:42 | <kie27> | kop: thanks that's a good idea I could just turn every second page upside down. |
| 02:43 | <kie27> | kop: if I can't get short-edge binding to work |
| 02:44 | <kie27> | jm_: changing the binding on the printer with xpp -> segmentation fault! |
| 02:45 | <kop> | jm_: Thanks. |
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| 02:48 | <jm_> | kie27: what's a binding? |
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| 02:49 | <kie27> | jm_: it is just when you print in duplex whether you turn paper over on the long edge or the short edge. |
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| 02:51 | <jm_> | kie27: works fine for me |
| 02:52 | <dbldtx> | PalmPre working seamlessly with Debian! THANK YOU DEBIAN COMMUNITY! |
| 02:52 | <kie27> | kie27: unfortunately not for me :( |
| 02:52 | <kie27> | jm_: unfortunately not for me though |
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| 02:55 | <jm_> | should be easy to figure out which option to pass to lp if xpp fails |
| 02:56 | <kie27> | jm_: yes i thought it would be "-o sides=two-sided-short-edge", but that seems to make no difference |
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| 03:04 | <adri> | Can you tell me how to remove ipv6 module which I loaded with modprobe? |
| 03:05 | <Yoda`Taff> | rmmod |
| 03:06 | <adri> | was not |
| 03:06 | <adri> | ? |
| 03:06 | <adri> | ERROR: Removing 'ipv6': No such file or directory |
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| 03:08 | <adri> | ahaa ERROR: Module ipv6 does not exist in /proc/modules thanks |
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| 03:10 | <kie27> | kop: thanks the pdftk solution works great. |
| 03:10 | <kie27> | jm_: thanks for your help too! |
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| 03:35 | <leo> | hi all |
| 03:36 | <leo> | would like to install haskell, which package should i get that doesn't screwup my libs plz? |
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| 03:39 | <leo> | what's sid? |
| 03:39 | <leo> | can i use those packages in stable? |
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| 03:39 | <Yoda`Taff> | !sid |
| 03:39 | <dpkg> | i heard sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 03:40 | <Yoda`Taff> | leo using sid packages in stable is highly *not* recommended |
| 03:40 | <leo> | wicked thanks yoda! |
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| 03:45 | <franki^> | leo: "aptitude search haskell" might help |
| 03:46 | * | franki^ knows nothing about haskell though |
| 03:46 | <leo> | it looks pretty good |
| 03:46 | <leo> | a very functional orientated programming language supposedly |
| 03:46 | <leo> | i only just heard of it today |
| 03:47 | <franki^> | yeah, i'm vaguely aware of its existence, but i've never read/written any |
| 03:47 | <franki^> | i'd like to one day though, when i have more time :) |
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| 03:48 | <Yoda`Taff> | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=haskell it seems that lenny (stable) has already haskell packages |
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| 03:49 | <vishnu> | recently i have deleted my home folder completly, and i have to install lennty from start. to avoid this situation how should i backup the system ? |
| 03:49 | <leo> | i'm looking for ~/.gnomerc file |
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| 03:50 | <leo> | but i only have .gnome2 and .gnome2_private |
| 03:51 | <leo> | are they the same as .gnomerc? |
| 03:51 | <franki^> | vishnu: deleting your home folder shouldn't mean that you have to reinstall, you'd just lose your data, and any confug files that it contained |
| 03:51 | <vishnu> | <franki^> ok |
| 03:52 | <franki^> | vishnu: but, for general help backing up you could try looking here http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/backup.htm |
| 03:52 | <franki^> | or asking google :) |
| 03:53 | <vishnu> | franki^ i am looking into it |
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| 03:59 | <vishnu> | so if i backup home folder, all my movies and mp3's unnecessarily backs up. how should i avoid it. |
| 04:00 | <franki^> | well, if they are in your home folder that will always happen :P |
| 04:01 | <franki^> | but, i'm not sure if there's a way to exclude folders from your backup, how are you doing it? |
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| 04:04 | <vishnu> | franki^ where should i place files and folders other than home ? |
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| 04:05 | <franki^> | vishnu: you might be able to exclude folders from your backup, such as ~/music or whatever, how are you making your back ups? |
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| 04:06 | <vishnu> | franki^ i don't have internet connection at my home. so i am gathering information and saving them, so that i can backup my system. |
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| 04:08 | <franki^> | vishnu: ah, okay, well, if you use "tar" to make your backups for example, you can exclude subfolders like this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-194938.html |
| 04:09 | <vishnu> | franki^ | i am looking into it. thank u. |
| 04:10 | <franki^> | vishnu: no problem, i hope that it's useful :) |
| 04:12 | <vishnu> | franki^ | thank u. i need to go. bye. |
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| 05:06 | <gotgot> | hi all. i'm on debian 5.0.1 and one of my serial device is not known on boot |
| 05:07 | <gotgot> | i have to unplug & replug while the system is running to be recognized |
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| 05:07 | <gotgot> | how can i fix it ? |
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| 05:09 | <azeem> | gotgot: what kind of device is it? |
| 05:09 | <azeem> | maybe it the kernel driver needs to be included in the initramfs |
| 05:09 | <gotgot> | a dallas key reader |
| 05:10 | <azeem> | hrm, didn't somebody mention a dallas key reader yesterday? |
| 05:10 | <gotgot> | dunno |
| 05:11 | <gotgot> | how can i know which driver handled it ? |
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| 05:12 | <azeem> | gotgot: does it have any documentatinoß |
| 05:12 | <gotgot> | nothing ! |
| 05:12 | <azeem> | documentation+ |
| 05:12 | <azeem> | gotgot: then ask the vendor, maybe |
| 05:12 | <azeem> | or google |
| 05:12 | <gotgot> | but it works if i plug it when the system has started |
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| 05:13 | <gotgot> | hal seems to load something which make it work |
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| 05:13 | <hendry> | i have an odd problem with openssh-server on lenny not respecting 0002 umasks. has anyone experienced this? |
| 05:14 | <gotgot> | cause lsmod show 4 programs depending on evdev and after i pug it, it shows 5 progs but i don't have the list |
| 05:15 | <KjetilK> | Hi folks! I once installed fglrx-driver 9.7 on my Lenny box, and now I'm unable to remove it: |
| 05:15 | <KjetilK> | http://paste.debian.net/51161/ |
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| 05:16 | <KjetilK> | the essence of the problem appears to be this line: |
| 05:16 | <KjetilK> | No diversion `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so by fglrx-driver', none removed |
| 05:16 | <jm_> | hendry: why would openssh server have anything to do with it? |
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| 05:17 | <KjetilK> | the file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so is there |
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| 05:20 | <Garp> | Hi. |
| 05:21 | <jm_> | KjetilK: so fix the script to do the right thing, checking BTS is also a good idea |
| 05:22 | <hendry> | jm_: when i copy across file, i use scp (or ssh for that matter) and the perms change |
| 05:22 | <Garp> | Question: what is the sintax in "sudoers" to restrict parameters to a command? Eg, I want to allow only /sbin/comman but not /sbin/command -a toto? Thanks. |
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| 05:23 | <jm_> | hendry: that's normal |
| 05:24 | <jm_> | Garp: specify "" for args IIRC |
| 05:25 | <Garp> | jm_: OK, thanks. I'll try |
| 05:25 | <Garp> | jm_: (wen i'll found where to specify args) |
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| 05:25 | <jm_> | Garp: /sbin/command "" |
| 05:25 | <Garp> | jm_: thanks :) |
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| 05:26 | <jm_> | hendry: which shell are you using? |
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| 05:27 | <hendry> | jm_: bash |
| 05:28 | <Garp> | jm_: I'm testing it right now... It works ! Thanks. |
| 05:29 | <jm_> | Garp: np |
| 05:29 | <jm_> | hendry: set it in .bashrc |
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| 05:30 | <jm_> | hendry: actually crap, it won't work |
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| 05:32 | <jm_> | hendry: if you can set BASH_ENV it will execute commands from that, where you can put umask command |
| 05:32 | <jm_> | zsh is once again so much saner in this respect |
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| 05:37 | <KjetilK> | jm_, would that be the fglrx-driver.postrm script? |
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| 05:39 | <jm_> | KjetilK: let me check your paste again |
| 05:39 | <jm_> | KjetilK: yup |
| 05:40 | <KjetilK> | ok, I don't really know what the right thing would be in this case... |
| 05:40 | <KjetilK> | aha, actually dpkg-divert --list doesn't list anything that has to do with fglrx |
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| 05:41 | <jm_> | start by adding "set -x" as 2nd line |
| 05:41 | <KjetilK> | BTW, there is a bug that seems similar: http://bugs.debian.org/525328 |
| 05:42 | <KjetilK> | ok |
| 05:43 | <KjetilK> | when I run it, I get |
| 05:43 | <KjetilK> | + case "$1" in |
| 05:43 | <KjetilK> | + exit 0 |
| 05:43 | <KjetilK> | err, wait |
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| 05:44 | <KjetilK> | http://paste.debian.net/51165/ |
| 05:44 | <KjetilK> | forgot "remove" :-) |
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| 05:48 | <jm_> | does bugs.debian.org work for you? |
| 05:48 | <jm_> | ahh it works |
| 05:49 | <jm_> | ok add exit 0 after that grep |
| 05:49 | <jm_> | I think it's worth submitting a bug for this |
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| 05:57 | <KjetilK> | jm_, I didn't see any important difference by adding exit 0 |
| 05:57 | <KjetilK> | since it appears to be the first dpkg-divert that fails |
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| 05:58 | <KjetilK> | Also, this is a rather old fglrx-driver I got from sid at some point, 1:9-7-2, I think it is as 1:9-10-1 now, so it may well be fixed in the latest version |
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| 05:59 | <KjetilK> | come to think of it, perhaps I should try to get the postrm script from the latest version |
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| 05:59 | <jm_> | KjetilK: the exit code from the first one is not the one that's returned to dpkg |
| 05:59 | <jm_> | it's the grep one that is according to your paste |
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| 06:02 | <KjetilK> | ah, ok, I understand |
| 06:04 | <KjetilK> | ok, there it uninstalls cleanly, thanks! |
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| 06:06 | <jm_> | np - it's worht submitting a bug |
| 06:07 | <KjetilK> | ok, even though it was an old package? |
| 06:07 | <jm_> | define old |
| 06:08 | * | KjetilK checks changelog |
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| 06:08 | <jm_> | I mean if the same bug is present in the newest version go ahead, otherwise ignore it |
| 06:08 | <KjetilK> | [2009-08-01][2009-08-01] Accepted 1:9-7-2 in unstable (low) (Patrick Matthäi) |
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| 06:11 | <KjetilK> | right, the stuff after the grep has been removed in the latest version |
| 06:11 | <jm_> | ok so the same bug will remain if grep errors out |
| 06:13 | <KjetilK> | err, I mean, the whole block containing the grep is out |
| 06:13 | <KjetilK> | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk/debian/fglrx-driver.postrm?op=diff&rev=267&sc=0 |
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| 06:14 | <jm_> | ok so it depends on divert now |
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| 06:18 | <KjetilK> | yup |
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| 06:20 | <pletiplot> | hi all |
| 06:21 | <pletiplot> | I have a question with debconf |
| 06:21 | <pletiplot> | I am making some package with template type multiselect |
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| 06:22 | <pletiplot> | I do db_set ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting "Auto" |
| 06:22 | <KjetilK> | so, back to choosing my driver... fglrx 9-10 would need to be backported, fglrx < 9.5 doesn't support kernel 2.6.31, which I need to my wifi card, radeonhd 1.3 isn't in sid yet, and 1.2.5 doesn't support my RV740 card, radeon doesn't support zephyr in accelerated mode... |
| 06:23 | <jm_> | probably try to backport it yourself or check bacjports |
| 06:23 | <pletiplot> | then I do get ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting |
| 06:23 | <jm_> | backports* |
| 06:23 | <jm_> | I do this all the time but with nvidia |
| 06:23 | <pletiplot> | end finaly echo $RET >&2 |
| 06:23 | <KjetilK> | yeah, I was trying to be Saint in the Church of Emacs, though... |
| 06:24 | <pletiplot> | and the result is "true" but should be "Auto" |
| 06:24 | <KjetilK> | not having Zephyr mode would mean quite a lot of changes to the way I work, so perhaps I should... |
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| 06:38 | <beppe> | hi all! |
| 06:38 | <beppe> | maybe someones can help me with make-kpkg? i have used make menuconfig O=/home/beppe/build/linux-2.6.31.5/ but now I can't do the same with make-kpkg!!! |
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| 06:45 | <afurlan> | maybe a dumb question, btw... does anyone know any good dvd player for debian? |
| 06:45 | <afurlan> | I'm not used to watch dvd on computer |
| 06:46 | <beppe> | hi!! someones can help me with make-kpkg? |
| 06:47 | <dr|z3d> | afurlan: VLC works fine. |
| 06:48 | <dr|z3d> | beppe: You'll need to be a bit more specific if you want help. |
| 06:48 | <afurlan> | dr|z3d, ok, I'll try it! thanks :) |
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| 06:49 | <afurlan> | dr|z3d, I'm trying VLC, it looks great! many thanks :) |
| 06:49 | <babilen> | afurlan: look around for libdvdcss (-> videolan) if you want to watch encrypted ones |
| 06:51 | <beppe> | dr|z3d: ok. before i have used this make menuconfig with O option for specify the output directory of the configuration |
| 06:52 | <beppe> | dr|z3d: now i want use that configuration but the O option doesn't exists in make-kpkg |
| 06:53 | <beppe> | dr|z3d: exactly i write so: make menuconfig O=/home/beppe/build/linux-2.6.31.5/ |
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| 06:54 | <beppe> | dr|z3d: and after I try: fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -kenelbep --revision=1 kernel_image O=/home/beppe/build/linux-2.6.31.5/ |
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| 07:03 | <beppe> | dr|z3d: have yuo some idea? |
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| 07:04 | <dr|z3d> | beppe: None whatsoever; you've made clearer your issue, so someone else might be able to help you now. |
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| 07:14 | <watakushi> | Good afternoon; since the latest kde3 update on lenny I have been experiencing quite a few problems with several applications; does anyone happen to undergo any of those: *konqueror crashes often kghostview crashes every 4-5 files kmail refuses to work with gmail services *juk loads 2-3 minutes during startup for some 30 small mp3 files *ktorrent reports no connection to trackers previously acessable and vice versa |
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| 07:17 | <watakushi> | Is it only me with those problems? |
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| 07:18 | <valdyn> | watakushi: any app that works normal? |
| 07:18 | <watakushi> | koffice, mlayer |
| 07:18 | <watakushi> | ksirc |
| 07:19 | <watakushi> | Just the listed in my 1st post are troublesome |
| 07:20 | <valdyn> | watakushi: this is pretty vague and its not possible to see a pattern there |
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| 07:20 | <valdyn> | watakushi: youd best get someone on site |
| 07:20 | <watakushi> | I am asking to see if it is worth to retire KDE3 already |
| 07:21 | <valdyn> | watakushi: worth? |
| 07:21 | <watakushi> | on KDE channel? |
| 07:21 | <valdyn> | i dont think this is a kde issue really |
| 07:21 | <watakushi> | Me neither |
| 07:22 | <valdyn> | watakushi: youre just only using mostly kde stuff i guess |
| 07:22 | <watakushi> | Exclusively kde/qt |
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| 07:22 | <watakushi> | except mplayer and all console utils |
| 07:23 | <watakushi> | Mplayer without GUI however |
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| 07:23 | <watakushi> | So yes, valdyn, you're correct |
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| 07:23 | <valdyn> | watakushi: "dmesg | grep oom" gives anything? |
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| 07:24 | <watakushi> | Nothing |
| 07:24 | <valdyn> | watakushi: have you already tried rebooting to fix the issues |
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| 07:25 | <watakushi> | Have tried creacting other profiles, editing ~/.kde configs and restoring defaults |
| 07:25 | <watakushi> | *creating |
| 07:25 | <valdyn> | watakushi: reboot once and confirm the issues persist |
| 07:25 | <valdyn> | watakushi: i dont want to debug dbus / hal upgrade issues that are easily solved by a reboot |
| 07:25 | <watakushi> | HAve rebooted already several times. |
| 07:25 | <valdyn> | watakushi: ok |
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| 07:27 | <valdyn> | watakushi: whats a "crash" really? a segmentation fault? |
| 07:27 | <watakushi> | Most times, but not always |
| 07:28 | <valdyn> | watakushi: is the prelink package installed? |
| 07:28 | <watakushi> | no |
| 07:28 | <valdyn> | watakushi: good |
| 07:28 | <valdyn> | watakushi: run "debums | grep -v OK", paste the output |
| 07:29 | <watakushi> | It returns bash: debums: command not found |
| 07:29 | <valdyn> | watakushi: installit |
| 07:29 | <watakushi> | I suppose it's not installed |
| 07:29 | <watakushi> | wait a sec |
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| 07:30 | <watakushi> | valdyn, there appears to be no such package |
| 07:30 | <watakushi> | Is it an util, part of a bigger binary? |
| 07:31 | <valdyn> | judd: versions debsums |
| 07:31 | <judd> | valdyn: debsums -- etch: 2.0.30 lenny: 2.0.36 sid: 2.0.39 sid: 2.0.41 sid: 2.0.47 squeeze: 2.0.47 |
| 07:31 | <watakushi> | *debsums |
| 07:31 | <pletiplot> | is some debconf expert here? |
| 07:31 | <valdyn> | watakushi: haha |
| 07:31 | <valdyn> | watakushi: sorry, typo |
| 07:31 | <watakushi> | Never mind, installing it |
| 07:32 | <watakushi> | Does debsums require root? |
| 07:32 | <valdyn> | watakushi: no |
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| 07:33 | <watakushi> | OK, running... |
| 07:33 | <valdyn> | watakushi: is this a clean debian/lenny install or did you add repositories? |
| 07:34 | <watakushi> | It is all clean and lean, upgraded from etch sonn after Lenny was released |
| 07:34 | <watakushi> | Only main repos |
| 07:34 | <valdyn> | watakushi: ok |
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| 07:34 | <watakushi> | The output is impressive in size |
| 07:34 | <pletiplot> | is some debconf expert here? |
| 07:35 | <valdyn> | watakushi: it is? grep -v OK should have cought most of it |
| 07:35 | <watakushi> | I'll give you the link every second... |
| 07:35 | <slush> | pletiplot: just ask your question |
| 07:36 | <watakushi> | valdyn, here it is: |
| 07:36 | <watakushi> | http://paste.debian.net/51173/ |
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| 07:37 | <watakushi> | Why isn't there anything? |
| 07:37 | <valdyn> | watakushi: why isnt there what? |
| 07:37 | <watakushi> | The sums, I mean |
| 07:38 | <valdyn> | watakushi: no idea |
| 07:38 | <valdyn> | watakushi: but theres no obvious problem in there |
| 07:38 | <valdyn> | judd: versions netbase |
| 07:38 | <judd> | valdyn: netbase -- etch: 4.29 lenny: 4.34 sid: 4.34 sid: 4.37 squeeze: 4.37 |
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| 07:39 | <Tarential> | good evening everyone |
| 07:39 | <Tarential> | or morning/afternoon/night wherever you are |
| 07:39 | <valdyn> | watakushi: can you paste your ~/.xsession-errors too please |
| 07:40 | <valdyn> | watakushi: one that was written while you had apps crash or fail |
| 07:40 | <Tarential> | I'm having trouble getting sendmail running on sid |
| 07:40 | <valdyn> | Tarential: why would you want to get sendmail running on sid? |
| 07:40 | <Tarential> | dev testing |
| 07:41 | <valdyn> | what would that be useful for? |
| 07:41 | <Tarential> | testing code I write that uses sendmail |
| 07:41 | <valdyn> | sid being permanently broken, sometimes more and sometimes less |
| 07:41 | <valdyn> | Tarential: use postfix |
| 07:41 | <valdyn> | Tarential: or even better stick to the default that is already installed, aka exim4 |
| 07:41 | <Tarential> | yes, I've been running sid for a long time |
| 07:42 | <Tarential> | do they interact the same way sendmail does? |
| 07:42 | <valdyn> | Tarential: no one needs sendmail who is not a serious expert with mailers |
| 07:42 | <valdyn> | Tarential: yes |
| 07:42 | <Tarential> | ah excellent |
| 07:42 | <Tarential> | thank you for the advice |
| 07:42 | <watakushi> | valdyn, pastedebian doesn't allow more than 70 kb |
| 07:43 | <watakushi> | Can you suggest a better place? |
| 07:43 | <valdyn> | !paste |
| 07:43 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 07:45 | <watakushi> | valdyn, this is the link: http://pastebin.com/m623b3db |
| 07:46 | <valdyn> | watakushi: ls -ld /tmp |
| 07:47 | <watakushi> | valdyn: drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 2009-11-10 14:32 /tmp |
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| 07:47 | <Tuplad> | is it a bad idea to add getdeb.net repository to my sources.list ? |
| 07:47 | <valdyn> | watakushi: you were trying to restart ktorrent while it was running |
| 07:47 | <pletiplot> | slush: I did but no one replied |
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| 07:48 | <watakushi> | valdyn: I see, but ktorrent and juk aside; what about the instability issues? |
| 07:48 | <slush> | !ask |
| 07:48 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:49 | <pletiplot> | I am making some package with template type multiselect. I do db_set ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting "Auto"; get ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting; echo $RET >&2 . The result should be "Auto" but I got "true". |
| 07:49 | <Tuplad> | is it a bad idea to add getdeb.net repository to my sources.list ? I'm running debian squeeze. |
| 07:49 | <valdyn> | watakushi: i cant see something really useful |
| 07:49 | <valdyn> | watakushi: maybe your upgrade is incomplete |
| 07:50 | <watakushi> | Tuplad, getdeb is a site for Ubuntu, if I am correct |
| 07:50 | <Tuplad> | watakushi: you are correct. |
| 07:50 | <watakushi> | valdyn: Well, since the latest KDE update it ra fine |
| 07:50 | <valdyn> | watakushi: you mean "before" |
| 07:50 | <pletiplot> | I am making some package with template type multiselect. I do db_set ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting "Auto"; db_get ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting; echo $RET >&2 . The result should be "Auto" but I got "true". |
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| 07:51 | <watakushi> | valdyn: Yes, sorry |
| 07:51 | <slush> | pletiplot: try also #debconf btw |
| 07:51 | <valdyn> | watakushi: what "kde" upgrade? theres no kde upgrades in debian stable |
| 07:51 | <valdyn> | watakushi: you mean as part of the debian minor releases? |
| 07:51 | <pletiplot> | slush: thanks I did know that chanel |
| 07:51 | <watakushi> | valdun: Exactly, I meant the updates |
| 07:51 | <motyk> | connect krakow.irc.pl |
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| 07:52 | <pletiplot> | slush: I did NOT know that channel :-) |
| 07:52 | <slush> | ah ok:) |
| 07:52 | <Tuplad> | watakushi: it is indeed a debian repo, but would it be a bad idea ? :p |
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| 07:53 | <valdyn> | Tuplad: getdeb.org is not recommended |
| 07:53 | <watakushi> | valdyn: I was trying to type upDates, the lenny releases |
| 07:53 | <Tuplad> | valdyn: roger that. |
| 07:53 | <watakushi> | Tuplad, if you can afford a broken system |
| 07:53 | <Tuplad> | watakushi: can't do, sir :p |
| 07:54 | <watakushi> | Tuplad: your best option is to use mixed testing + unstable till squeeze becomes stable |
| 07:54 | <watakushi> | Or you could install 'manually', compile |
| 07:55 | <Tuplad> | watakushi: using squeeze, can't be arsed to complie :p |
| 07:55 | <Tuplad> | compile* |
| 07:55 | <watakushi> | valdyn: Anyway if I switch to KDE4 the glitches will probably go |
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| 07:55 | <valdyn> | watakushi: yes, if this is a kde issue |
| 07:56 | <pletiplot> | slush: the channel is for debian conference |
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| 07:56 | <slush> | ahw |
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| 07:57 | <watakushi> | valdyn: Thank you for the assistance |
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| 08:00 | <pletiplot> | I am making some package with template type multiselect. I do db_set ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting "Auto"; db_get ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting; echo $RET >&2 . The result should be "Auto" but I got "true". |
| 08:01 | <jm_> | did you check what debconf-show returns? |
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| 08:16 | <pletiplot> | I am making some package with template type multiselect. I do db_set ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting "Auto"; db_get ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting; echo $RET >&2 . The result should be "Auto" but I got "true". Thanks for asistence. |
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| 08:21 | <shayx> | greetings folks |
| 08:22 | <shayx> | I'm looking for resources (documentation, books, etc) on high-performance, scalable systems (specifically based on Linux systems - most of them Debian) |
| 08:23 | <shayx> | looking for information regarding tuning of Apache/PHP mod/ MySQL mostly, replication, backups, monitoring, how to predict when to scale up, planning ahead |
| 08:23 | <shayx> | anyone can help me or direct me to the right place to get this kind of information? |
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| 08:25 | <peej> | defaults in lenny give me dn: dc=nodomain in slapcat output. How do I change that to mydomain? Editing slapd.conf and restarting ldap didn't do it for me. |
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| 08:36 | <eightwt> | #moblin at irc.freenode.net |
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| 08:50 | <pletiplot> | I am making some package with template type multiselect. I do db_set ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting "Auto"; db_get ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting; echo $RET >&2 . The result should be "Auto" but I got "true". Thanks for assistence. |
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| 08:56 | <rjent> | Greetings, I am getting device offline on a 3ware 8006-2lp controller with lenny. I just installed on this system last week and I have used the like hardware but with earlier builds from back in march. Is there something simple I am missing? |
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| 08:56 | <rjent> | It will only run for a day at most and sometimes only hours before going in to the sd 0 0 0 offline stuff |
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| 09:26 | <pletiplot> | I am making some package with template type multiselect. I do db_set ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting "Auto"; db_get ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting; echo $RET >&2 . The result should be "Auto" but I got "true". Thanks for assistence. |
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| 09:32 | <Titan8990> | pletiplot, #debian-mentors |
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| 09:42 | -!- | themill changed the topic of #debian to: /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
| 09:42 | <@themill> | (removing "/msg dpkg rred died" since that seems to be all fixed now) |
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| 09:45 | <nubis> | Alo |
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| 09:54 | <rixutin> | Hi |
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| 10:01 | <pletiplot> | I am making some package with template type multiselect. I do db_set ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting "Auto"; db_get ${THIS_PACKAGE}/setting; echo $RET >&2 . The result should be "Auto" but I got "true". Thanks for assistence. |
| 10:02 | <OdyX> | pletiplot: your question might have a more specialised audience on #debian-mentors |
| 10:04 | <pletiplot> | OdyX: thanks |
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| 10:05 | <pletiplot> | OdyX: someone adviced me #debconf but it was for conference :-) |
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| 10:12 | <leo> | hi all |
| 10:13 | <leo> | i'm trying to kill metacity so i can give xmonad i shot |
| 10:13 | <leo> | but i can't find it in the process list |
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| 10:14 | <Titan8990> | leo, you sure xmonad doesn't have a --replace option? |
| 10:15 | <leo> | i just tried to do that |
| 10:15 | <leo> | but got "(unrecognized flags)" |
| 10:17 | <leo> | i'm trying to get xmonad to work |
| 10:17 | <leo> | but it keeps throwing an X11 error |
| 10:18 | <leo> | sometimes it loads and i get a massive white window on top of everything |
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| 10:24 | <leo> | how do i edit my $PATH file? |
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| 10:26 | <leo> | does debian lenny 5.03 use nautilus? |
| 10:26 | <leo> | (gnome) |
| 10:28 | <Titan8990> | leo, if you install it |
| 10:28 | <Titan8990> | leo, $PATH is a environment variable, not a file |
| 10:28 | <Titan8990> | you can change it with you ~/.bashrc |
| 10:29 | <leo> | thanks Titan8990 ! |
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| 10:29 | <leo> | hmm says permission denied |
| 10:29 | <leo> | and i am su |
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| 10:30 | <leo> | brb |
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| 10:38 | <alephnull> | I want to generate address labels that are suitable for printing on a free-size A4 label sheet that will be cut manually later. |
| 10:38 | <alephnull> | Would anyone have any recommendations ? |
| 10:39 | <peej> | glabels |
| 10:39 | <alephnull> | Thanks, peej |
| 10:39 | <peej> | even works with address label sheets. |
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| 10:40 | <terietor> | hi |
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| 10:41 | <terietor> | i want to install virtualbox 3.0,but i cannot find the source even in the official site. |
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| 10:43 | <Titan8990> | terietor, deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lenny non-free |
| 10:43 | <terietor> | thanks,but i have debian squeeze |
| 10:44 | <terietor> | this source is for lenny |
| 10:46 | <azeem> | terietor: that's the problem with running testing I'm afraid |
| 10:47 | <azeem> | not much support by ISVs |
| 10:47 | <terietor> | ok,thanks |
| 10:48 | <azeem> | that said, did you try installing the lenny package on squeeze? |
| 10:48 | <azeem> | maybe it works |
| 10:48 | <OdyX> | terietor: virtualbox is in Debian … |
| 10:48 | <OdyX> | terietor: virtualbox-ose |
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| 10:52 | <terietor> | @azeem, squeeze doesn,t have lenny packages? |
| 10:52 | <azeem> | terietor: squeeze has squeeze packages |
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| 10:52 | <azeem> | otherwise, I don't understand your question |
| 10:52 | <terietor> | how do i install them? |
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| 10:53 | <azeem> | install what? |
| 10:53 | <terietor> | lenny packages |
| 10:53 | <azeem> | are you talking about the lenny packages from download.virtualbox.org? |
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| 10:54 | <terietor> | because i confused you,look how it goes |
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| 10:55 | <terietor> | i have squeeze on my pc and i want to install virtualbox in order to do that i need to put a link in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:56 | <terietor> | i see the links but it hasn't got a link for squeeze |
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| 10:56 | <azeem> | what is "it"? |
| 10:57 | <terietor> | it the list from the official site of virtualbox |
| 10:57 | <azeem> | ok |
| 10:57 | <azeem> | so what is your question? |
| 10:58 | <terietor> | is there a link for squeeze or the latest is for lenny? |
| 10:58 | <azeem> | sorry, I don't work for virtualbox, I have no ide |
| 10:58 | <azeem> | a |
| 10:58 | <azeem> | you just said there wasn't a link for squeeze, I believed you |
| 10:58 | <terietor> | ok thanks and sorry for bothering u |
| 10:59 | <azeem> | as I said, add the lenny link and see whether it installs fine |
| 10:59 | <azeem> | if not - bad luck |
| 10:59 | <terietor> | ok i will try it |
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| 11:00 | <oliva> | hi there ... where do I set an environment variable for the apache processes? |
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| 11:07 | <Titan8990> | oliva, shouldn't need to |
| 11:07 | <Titan8990> | oliva, whats the problem? |
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| 11:15 | <oliva> | Titan8990: I need to run some application that need the environment variables set |
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| 11:29 | <dkr> | oliva: in the apache config file, SetEnv |
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| 11:40 | <otosaxel> | msg dpkg lenny |
| 11:40 | <otosaxel> | hy all |
| 11:40 | <otosaxel> | i have 1 qustion |
| 11:41 | <otosaxel> | i have P2 bazed system with 32 mb. of ram and SCSI disk, i wich run on the system LAMP + SSH and torretns |
| 11:41 | <otosaxel> | wich debian bazed distro is bettert? |
| 11:41 | <otosaxel> | i wisch small kernel + not gnu utils, busy box and etc |
| 11:41 | <Titan8990> | you know... you typically find the same people in both channels |
| 11:41 | <Titan8990> | we told you our answer |
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| 11:42 | <otosaxel> | but i muss run the server |
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| 12:01 | <oliva> | dkr: thanks |
| 12:02 | <sney> | that guy is going to be in a world of hurt running mysql-server on a machine with only 32MiB |
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| 12:03 | <cahoot> | even with the 'right distro'? |
| 12:03 | <sney> | also, coming in here and asking which debian-based distro to get is like walking into a Ford dealer and saying "so what should I get, a mazda or a volvo?" |
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| 12:04 | <sney> | mysql would be in swap every time it went to write to the db |
| 12:05 | <l1nUx1z3r> | anyone know a rar password recovery program that work? |
| 12:05 | <Gathond> | sney: probably depends on the dataset |
| 12:06 | <Titan8990> | l1nUx1z3r, rarcrack |
| 12:06 | <Gathond> | although for any meaningful amount of data these days you are essentially right |
| 12:06 | <cahoot> | in #warez perhaps? |
| 12:06 | <l1nUx1z3r> | Titan8990, does it work? i tried a few and they just wasted my time |
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| 12:07 | <Titan8990> | l1nUx1z3r, depends on the complexity of the password |
| 12:07 | <l1nUx1z3r> | Titan8990, what can it recover? |
| 12:07 | <Titan8990> | e.g. if the password is fapRuzEYEs4A7He, your not getting in |
| 12:07 | <Titan8990> | l1nUx1z3r, passwords found in dictionaries, rainbow tables, or less than 8 chars |
| 12:08 | <sney> | it's just a scripted bruteforce |
| 12:08 | <l1nUx1z3r> | Titan8990, what if it is: wh3r3th3h3ll1smYp4ssw0rD |
| 12:08 | <Titan8990> | sney, pretty sure rarcrack can use a wordlist too |
| 12:08 | <themill> | !nickometer l1nUx1z3r |
| 12:08 | <dpkg> | 'l1nUx1z3r' is 57.000% lame, themill |
| 12:08 | <sney> | only 57? |
| 12:08 | <l1nUx1z3r> | what the hell |
| 12:08 | <l1nUx1z3r> | !nickometer themill |
| 12:09 | <dpkg> | 'themill' is 0.000% lame, l1nux1z3r |
| 12:09 | <Titan8990> | l1nUx1z3r, that would take a standard pc approx 34856377305871204 years to crack |
| 12:09 | <Titan8990> | according to my password brute force calculator |
| 12:09 | <l1nUx1z3r> | Titan8990, damn |
| 12:09 | <l1nUx1z3r> | ok, so this rarcrack, how'd i get it? |
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| 12:10 | <sney> | typically by googling |
| 12:10 | <sney> | and then clicking on things |
| 12:10 | <Titan8990> | or by using aptitude.... |
| 12:11 | <l1nUx1z3r> | sney, funny guy/girl... |
| 12:11 | <l1nUx1z3r> | Titan8990, thanks mate |
| 12:11 | <cahoot> | *if* using debian at all |
| 12:11 | <sney> | im uzin ubuntu thats the zame thing |
| 12:11 | <sney> | rite?! |
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| 12:12 | <sney> | Titan8990: it's not in any repo I've got. |
| 12:15 | <Titan8990> | sney, your right, i thought it was there |
| 12:15 | <oliva> | I have added SetEnv in the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but I can't see the variable defined in the process environment |
| 12:16 | <l1nUx1z3r> | Titan8990, i got rarcrack but im having difficulties installing it |
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| 12:16 | <sney> | if you have a source package, aptitude install build-essential |
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| 12:17 | <Titan8990> | l1nUx1z3r, did you read the INSTALL or README file that it came with? |
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| 12:18 | <l1nUx1z3r> | Titan8990, yep...followed the instructions...make runs and gives me 1 error |
| 12:18 | <l1nUx1z3r> | installing build-essentials now |
| 12:18 | <sney> | no s |
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| 12:19 | <l1nUx1z3r> | ok, yeah...sorry...installing build-essential |
| 12:19 | <l1nUx1z3r> | !nickometer sney |
| 12:19 | <dpkg> | 'sney' is 0.000% lame, l1nux1z3r |
| 12:20 | <sney> | oliva: not sure how apache handles it exactly, but if it's a user variable, it'll only show for www-data |
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| 12:24 | <l1nUx1z3r> | sney, got build-essential installed...still getting an error at make |
| 12:24 | <l1nUx1z3r> | xml2-config not found |
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| 12:24 | <Titan8990> | sounds like you should install it |
| 12:24 | <themill> | dpkg: tell l1nUx1z3r about apt-file |
| 12:24 | <sney> | aptitude install libxml2-dev |
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| 12:24 | <sney> | if it's a make error, it wants a -dev package. |
| 12:25 | <sney> | or rather if it's a "not found" make error. |
| 12:25 | <oliva> | sney: what do you mean? |
| 12:26 | <l1nUx1z3r> | sney, thanks...let me try tht |
| 12:26 | <sney> | if it's defining variables for the current user/session, they'll get defined, but you won't see them when logged in as yourself |
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| 12:26 | <DarkxXx26> | ciao a tutti |
| 12:26 | <sney> | !it |
| 12:26 | <dpkg> | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:27 | <l1nUx1z3r> | Titan8990, does rarcrack work with parts of a rar file |
| 12:27 | <l1nUx1z3r> | sney, thanks...i think it worked |
| 12:27 | <sney> | unlikely |
| 12:28 | <icwiener> | Is it possible to find out what grub2 is missing if it throws an Error 15? |
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| 12:30 | <Titan8990> | icwiener, in grub1 that was usually an unable to find configuration file (menu.lst) |
| 12:30 | <Titan8990> | so i guess grub.cfg in grub2 |
| 12:30 | <icwiener> | /boot/grub/grub.cfg is there. |
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| 12:34 | <oliva> | sney: I checked the /proc/<pid>/environment |
| 12:34 | <oliva> | sney: I haven't set it nowhere for the user www-data |
| 12:34 | <sney> | ah. well maybe it's being overridden somewhere else, check all of the various apache2 config files |
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| 12:42 | <oliva> | ok thanks |
| 12:42 | <oliva> | bye all |
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| 12:47 | <ferris> | I am having an issue with installing a package. (make error 2) I think I need compiler packages... but I am not sure what packages those would be... though I have installed g++... google gave me very little. Is there a package that contains everything I need to " make clean make ./configure"? |
| 12:47 | <ferris> | I have googled this and haven't found much |
| 12:47 | <ferris> | oh... this is a fresh install |
| 12:47 | <Titan8990> | ferris, what are you triying to install? was there not an available deb? |
| 12:47 | <ferris> | i am running the latest stable version |
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| 12:48 | <ferris> | no deb |
| 12:48 | <ferris> | I am trying to install hybrid_wl from broadcom (wireless driver) |
| 12:49 | <ferris> | when I make i get a kbuild nopendantic=1 |
| 12:50 | <ferris> | KBUILD_NOPEDANTIC=1 make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` clean |
| 12:50 | <ferris> | make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build' |
| 12:50 | <ferris> | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. |
| 12:50 | <ferris> | make[1]: Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build' |
| 12:50 | <ferris> | make: *** [clean] Error 2 |
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| 12:51 | <ferris> | sorry about the paste |
| 12:51 | <ferris> | i didn't realize i would get kicked |
| 12:51 | <ferris> | that is the error I get when attempting to make |
| 12:53 | <ferris> | d standard user |
| 12:53 | <ferris> | i have ran this as both super and normal user |
| 12:53 | <Titan8990> | did you read the debian documentation for broadcom drivers? |
| 12:54 | <themill> | !wl |
| 12:54 | <dpkg> | [wl][wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-Id 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB"). To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. See also <bcm4312>. |
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| 12:55 | <Titan8990> | ferris, basically, you shouldn't need to manually compile things |
| 12:55 | <ferris> | I have the broadcom documentation for debian... but it may be different than the debian documentation for broadcom drivers |
| 12:55 | <Titan8990> | I'm sure it is |
| 12:55 | <ferris> | thanks... i will check it out |
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| 13:01 | <ferris> | Titan8990 I still have to compile the driver... but I can't because of the make error |
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| 13:20 | <icwiener> | Titan8990: Solved the grub: error 15 problem. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Error%2015%20-%20File%20not%20found |
| 13:20 | <icwiener> | :) |
| 13:20 | <Titan8990> | icwiener, what version of debian are you using? |
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| 13:20 | <icwiener> | Titan8990: testing |
| 13:21 | <Titan8990> | you can still opt for grub-legacy in testing if you don't want to deal with grub2 |
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| 13:21 | <icwiener> | Titan8990: Well, no. grub2 is ok. Now that I actually installed it to the mbr, I think it might be of better service than today. :D |
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| 13:54 | <ferris> | it looks like i need to install the linux headers source.... but I cannot find the header source... is it included in a different header package? |
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| 13:55 | <Titan8990> | ferris, aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:55 | <ferris> | thanks |
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| 14:01 | <ferris> | I am having the same errors |
| 14:03 | <Titan8990> | and you are following the steps for wl on the wiki? |
| 14:03 | <ferris> | yes i am |
| 14:03 | <ferris> | and as soon as i get to make i get the error |
| 14:04 | <Titan8990> | ferris, and its same as before? |
| 14:04 | <ferris> | yes |
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| 14:05 | <Titan8990> | ferris, I am think you missed a step |
| 14:05 | <Titan8990> | since the guide shows exactly how to install the headers but you still need to ask... did you miss #1 where you also install build-essential? |
| 14:05 | <Titan8990> | aptitude update && aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) wireless-tools |
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| 14:11 | <abe> | I am running debian squeeze and for some reason aisle riot is extremely slow. any idea why? |
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| 14:16 | <Titan8990> | abe, is that a debian package? |
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| 14:17 | <abe> | yes both are |
| 14:17 | <abe> | they are both for gnome |
| 14:18 | <ferris> | Titan8990 I went back through the debian page and now the error is "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." |
| 14:18 | <Titan8990> | ferris, sounds like your in the wrong directory |
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| 14:18 | <Titan8990> | ferris, find . -name "Makefile" |
| 14:19 | * | EmleyMoor is bringing some packages up to date before trying his scanner again |
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| 14:22 | <hgrover> | #sugar |
| 14:22 | <hgrover> | whoops |
| 14:23 | <abe> | so does anyone know why I'm having this problem? |
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| 14:28 | <ferris> | should there be something in my /lib/modules/'uname -r' /build folder? |
| 14:29 | <ferris> | it is empty |
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| 14:30 | <abe> | anyone? |
| 14:30 | <EmleyMoor> | Looks like the updates I just did fixed my scanner |
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| 14:30 | <ferris> | the find -name "Makefile" returned ./Makefile |
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| 14:31 | <ferris> | Titan8990... I really appreciate your help. |
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| 14:32 | <cahoot> | ferris: IIRC you want a kbuild package for you kernelversion |
| 14:32 | <cahoot> | s/you/your/ |
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| 14:34 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... now saned won't start |
| 14:34 | <Titan8990> | ferris, uhh, yeah it should have stuff in it |
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| 14:35 | <Titan8990> | ferris, sec |
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| 14:36 | <ferris> | cahoot, synaptic shows that i have kbuild and linux-kbuild-2.6.26 installed |
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| 14:36 | <ferris> | is it safe to uninstall the packages and then reinstall them? |
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| 14:36 | <dr|z3d> | ferris: Sure it is. |
| 14:37 | <dr|z3d> | ferris: You may/may not wish to purge settings. |
| 14:37 | <kop> | I'm opening an old skencil file (was sketch at the time) and get a message saying that the -adobe-times-medium-r-normal-.... font is not available, and indeed the font is messed up. Does that font still exist or what else can I do about this to just get something working quickly? |
| 14:37 | <dr|z3d> | You can aptitude reinstall <package> if you want to uninstall/reinstall in one foul swoop. |
| 14:37 | <ferris> | drjz3d... not sure how to 'purge settings'.... |
| 14:38 | <dr|z3d> | kop: Substitute for Times New Roman.. sounds like it's essentially the same font. |
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| 14:39 | <dr|z3d> | ferris: aptitude purge or similar. |
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| 14:39 | <kop> | dr|z3d: I'll give it a try, thanks. |
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| 14:41 | <client> | ie |
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| 14:41 | <luca_> | OverMe ..riapparsa riavviando!!! -1 .....rimane il kernel!! :-) |
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| 14:43 | <ferris> | ok removing kbuild, linux-kbuild, linux-headers and then reinstalling them allowed me to make |
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| 14:48 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmm... even if the scanner can be seen, trying to use it breaks practically all the USB |
| 14:48 | <EmleyMoor> | PSU or motherboard, it looks like |
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| 14:54 | <EmleyMoor> | If it is PSU or motherboard, which is the more likely? |
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| 14:57 | <cahoot> | no help in dmesg? |
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| 14:58 | <kop> | EmleyMoor: Slashdot claims PSU, FWIW. |
| 14:58 | <runev> | I'm curious. I'm experiencing extremely slow bit rate speeds when connection to the net using a wireless PCI card in one of my workstations. Feels like I'm back on a 28.8k modem, when in reality I'm on a 20 mbit cable. |
| 14:58 | <runev> | /var/log/messages shows "Nov 9 23:50:16 iridium kernel: [374916.781466] __ratelimit: 1 messages suppressed" |
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| 14:59 | <runev> | Could this "__ratelimit" be relevant? |
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| 15:00 | <runev> | I'm guessing thats harddrives related though, and has nothing to do with my wireless |
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| 15:01 | <_noise> | ok can i be flamebait for one second? |
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| 15:02 | <PovAddict> | sure |
| 15:02 | <PovAddict> | ok your second is over |
| 15:02 | <_noise> | lol |
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| 15:03 | <_noise> | hell i'm gunna do it anyway, but bear in mind i'm an experienced linux user who is about to change distro when asking this |
| 15:03 | <_noise> | can anyone give me a list of good reasons to go with debian over ubuntu? |
| 15:03 | <cahoot> | !why debian |
| 15:03 | <dpkg> | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 15:04 | <PovAddict> | you know, that last part was actually significant in my choice (among many other things) |
| 15:04 | <PovAddict> | #ubuntu is a pain to be in |
| 15:04 | <cahoot> | NB no promise of answers |
| 15:04 | <_noise> | lol i don't use ubuntu |
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| 15:07 | <kop> | _noise: I use it beause it's stable, so I play on the computer instead of playing around with it. |
| 15:07 | <kop> | _noise: (And it's got about any package I want.) |
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| 15:08 | <_noise> | kop: yeah that's why i prefer proper (aka "newbie") distros rather than self-certified expert distros like "arch linux" :) |
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| 15:09 | <_noise> | is the alternate install disk for ubuntu a debian installer? |
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| 15:10 | <godlanier> | _noise, what distro were/are you using? |
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| 15:11 | <hybrid> | hiya, please help to install shared bluetooth in squeeze, it dont runs or whats happening |
| 15:11 | <rgouveia> | hi ... I'm using x86_64 lenny but it seems my system has a 32bit /usr/sbin/grub so it doesn't run. Is this normal? |
| 15:11 | <_noise> | i've used: arch linux, ubuntu, fedora, slackware, debian, RHEL and centos currently i am using fedora but i don't like rpm |
| 15:12 | <_noise> | it's overly complicated |
| 15:12 | <_noise> | and i end up having to install to many custom packages for an overly complicated packing system |
| 15:12 | <PovAddict> | I used Fedora once |
| 15:12 | <PovAddict> | and CentOS at work |
| 15:13 | <PovAddict> | yum makes apt look like it was written by God |
| 15:13 | <_noise> | yes i like debians simple ar archive and apt system its much saner |
| 15:13 | <PovAddict> | yum is so slow to even check dependencies it makes apt look like it's written in assembly |
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| 15:15 | <godlanier> | anyone knows something about this new Hal stuff in squeeze? is there any manually configuring? |
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| 15:20 | <_noise> | yum is poorly written though to be a little bit fair to rpm |
| 15:21 | <_noise> | i can do queries that take 10 seconds via yum in less than 1 just by grepping the dump of the bdb |
| 15:21 | <_noise> | still i dont like rpm |
| 15:21 | <_noise> | so i want an apt based system |
| 15:21 | <_noise> | but i don't know if i should go with debian or ubuntu |
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| 15:22 | <hybrid> | noise, lenny, lenny, lenny |
| 15:22 | <hybrid> | the best |
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| 15:23 | <EmleyMoor> | Definitely Debian if you ask me |
| 15:23 | <cahoot> | _noise: the territory sort of defines the answer here |
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| 15:24 | <_noise> | cahoot, is that like arch linux saying their territory excludes newbies, when i'd submit only a newbie would bother to subject themselves to the pain it takes to configure an arch linux system to usable and submitting the bug reports to fix all the problems you encountered in the interim? |
| 15:24 | <_noise> | cahoot, i know thats a bit jaded but thats what sales speak does to the world :( |
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| 15:27 | <_noise> | desktop its not for a server, i don't know how debian and ubuntu support SELINUX but after fedora i'm pretty comfortable with it so good support for that would be nice |
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| 15:34 | <gesichtslos> | _noise, I couldn't agree more by the way. I installed and ran gentoo/arch/slackware for a good while to force myself to learn Linux. That being said, now that I'm more knowledgeable of Linux I'm settling happily with Debian. |
| 15:35 | <gesichtslos> | Once it's not longer education it ventures into tedious. |
| 15:35 | <_noise> | gesichtslos, funny isn't it :) |
| 15:35 | <gesichtslos> | yea |
| 15:35 | <_noise> | btw some guy on #perl just sold be on debian by pointing out it is stronger than ubuntu in the exact same reason i switched to fedora from ubtuntu in the first place |
| 15:35 | <_noise> | package qa |
| 15:36 | <gesichtslos> | Anybody know the ratio of Debian:RedHet servers in the business world? |
| 15:37 | <gesichtslos> | RedHat* |
| 15:37 | <jackyf> | many:many |
| 15:37 | <gesichtslos> | :3 |
| 15:37 | <azeem> | gesichtslos: this is off-topic here |
| 15:37 | <gesichtslos> | right, sorry. |
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| 15:39 | <tony> | okay, got debian installed and running great, usb issue resolved, but need a little help with wireless please |
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| 15:41 | <gesichtslos> | tony: Could you better describe your problem? |
| 15:41 | <kop> | azeem: Offtopic because this is just support? I sorta thought that generic debian related talk was accepted. Better to go where? |
| 15:41 | <gesichtslos> | kop: azeem is right. This is just for support. |
| 15:42 | <gesichtslos> | !ot |
| 15:42 | <dpkg> | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 15:42 | <tony> | ibm thinkpad t40 2373-72u wireless not recognized, see this link: http://planet-geek.com/archives/2005/02/ibm-thinkpad-t4.html |
| 15:42 | <kop> | gesichtslos: Thanks. |
| 15:42 | <tony> | in the followup |
| 15:42 | <azeem> | tony: which chipset? |
| 15:42 | <tony> | Intel |
| 15:42 | <azeem> | I'm not going to lookup the model on the lenovo site |
| 15:42 | <azeem> | tony: you need to the proprietary firmware |
| 15:42 | <azeem> | !ipw2100 |
| 15:42 | <dpkg> | ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets, included in kernels since 2.6.14. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package. Etch: Download firmware v1.3 from http://ipw2100.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:43 | <azeem> | !ipw220 |
| 15:43 | <azeem> | !ipw2200 |
| 15:43 | <dpkg> | ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets, included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package. Etch: Download firmware v3.0 from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:43 | <tony> | it says I need to install ipw2100 but I do not know how |
| 15:43 | <azeem> | tony: firmware-ipw2x00 it is |
| 15:43 | <azeem> | tony: what is "it"? |
| 15:43 | <tony> | the link abouve |
| 15:44 | <azeem> | tony: what version of Debian do you run? |
| 15:44 | <tony> | I installed that package, do I need a restart? |
| 15:44 | <tony> | 5.0 |
| 15:44 | <_noise> | gesichtslos, btw i ran gentoo too, and probably other distros i forgot |
| 15:44 | <azeem> | so what does it say about lenny? |
| 15:44 | <azeem> | "Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package." |
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| 15:44 | <azeem> | tony: do you have a ipw2100 or ipw2200? |
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| 15:45 | <tony> | I'm not sure, but I beleive ipw2100 |
| 15:45 | <azeem> | tony: run lspci |
| 15:46 | <tony> | 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04) |
| 15:46 | <azeem> | ok |
| 15:46 | <azeem> | tony: so try this: "rmmod ipw2100; modprobe ipw2100" |
| 15:46 | <azeem> | as root |
| 15:46 | <azeem> | or via sudo |
| 15:47 | <tony> | I installed the firmware-ipw2x00 package, will run suggested command |
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| 15:47 | <tony> | ran commands |
| 15:48 | <EmleyMoor> | Is there a good way to estimate what rating of PSU I need? |
| 15:48 | <tony> | system, administration, network settings now shows wireless. Thank you azeem! |
| 15:48 | <azeem> | cheers |
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| 15:49 | <tony> | do I need roaming mode? |
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| 15:51 | <kop> | I'm using apt-cacher, and cacheing security.debian.org. Is this stupid? I just tried going straight to security.debian.org and got updates. Lots. That were not in cache. Maybe I should clear out the cache and start over? |
| 15:52 | <hybrid> | does anyone know how to implement bluetooth on debian squeeze? |
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| 15:53 | <azeem> | hybrid: "implement"? |
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| 15:53 | <Pupuser402> | anyone know of a typing tutor program for linux? |
| 15:53 | <azeem> | it's already implemented |
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| 15:54 | <hybrid> | azemm, and shared bluetooth that in lenny is in system tools? |
| 15:54 | <spazztic665> | hello mates....anyone can help me getting lenny to accept a wired connection? |
| 15:54 | <Pupuser402> | spazztic665: what do you mean accept? |
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| 15:54 | <Pupuser402> | recognize? |
| 15:54 | <Pupuser402> | see? |
| 15:55 | <spazztic665> | well....to explain it in a nutshell |
| 15:55 | <tony_> | okay, had to reconnect... azemm, what is the best flash plugin and how do I change the default desktop environment |
| 15:55 | <spazztic665> | only time i can connect to the internet is to unplug...then replug in the ethernet |
| 15:55 | <spazztic665> | for 2 min at most |
| 15:55 | <spazztic665> | then unplug n replug |
| 15:55 | <spazztic665> | and it continues...none stop |
| 15:55 | <Pupuser402> | how long can you connect for? |
| 15:55 | <spazztic665> | 2min |
| 15:55 | <spazztic665> | tops |
| 15:56 | <Pupuser402> | then what? |
| 15:56 | <Pupuser402> | what happens after 2 mins? |
| 15:56 | <spazztic665> | the lil red X box of no connection appears |
| 15:56 | <azeem> | hybrid: sorry, I don't understand |
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| 15:56 | <Pupuser402> | spazztic665: what are you doing during that two minutes? |
| 15:56 | <hybrid> | what you prefer awn or gnome-do? |
| 15:56 | <spazztic665> | and if i click on it...it shows "wired connection" but its grayed out n i cant do jack |
| 15:56 | <spazztic665> | those two min ive been internet google to solve the problem |
| 15:56 | <spazztic665> | or |
| 15:57 | <tony_> | azeem: what is the best flash plugin and how do I change the default desktop environment? |
| 15:57 | <cahoot> | using network-manager? |
| 15:57 | <spazztic665> | looking at the ip n domain n trying to run commands while connected to internet |
| 15:57 | <Pupuser402> | spazztic665: are you running any internet apps during that time besides surfing the web? |
| 15:57 | <DarkPurpose> | gotta be fast |
| 15:57 | <spazztic665> | nope nothing |
| 15:57 | <azeem> | tony_: please ask the channel, not me |
| 15:57 | <Pupuser402> | nothing that takes up alot of bandwidth? |
| 15:57 | <spazztic665> | nothing is running |
| 15:57 | <spazztic665> | desktop is blank |
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| 15:57 | <spazztic665> | i jus installed last night |
| 15:58 | <Pupuser402> | installed what? |
| 15:58 | <spazztic665> | since then...nada |
| 15:58 | <spazztic665> | debian lenny |
| 15:58 | <Pupuser402> | what was your previous OS? |
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| 15:58 | <spazztic665> | i installed the updates n then poop |
| 15:58 | <spazztic665> | xp |
| 15:58 | <tony_> | all: what is the best flash plugin and how do I change the default desktop environment |
| 15:58 | <Pupuser402> | what about before the updates? |
| 15:58 | <spazztic665> | b4 updates no prob |
| 15:59 | <hybrid> | just in lenny I need 2 tools, 1) aplications/system tools/ for share 2/in system/preferences/bluetooth, just in squeeze i the 1) dont runs |
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| 15:59 | <hybrid> | azeem |
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| 15:59 | <EmleyMoor> | I've ordered a PSU 10% more powerful - don't think I actually need it but may as well |
| 16:00 | <hybrid> | sorry by my english |
| 16:00 | <Pupuser402> | spazztic665: are you attached to anything you have installed right now? |
| 16:00 | <spazztic665> | what do you mean..attached? |
| 16:00 | <Pupuser402> | can you reinstall? |
| 16:00 | <spazztic665> | reinstall deb? |
| 16:00 | <Pupuser402> | yeah. |
| 16:01 | <spazztic665> | yea sure |
| 16:01 | <Pupuser402> | or rollback the updates, but i dont think you can do that |
| 16:01 | <spazztic665> | rollback...how do i go about that? |
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| 16:02 | <Pupuser402> | spazztic665: yeah. dont think you can rollback. ask some other ppl first. try #networking on freenode or efnet before you go and reinstall. i haven't used lenny for a while |
| 16:02 | <spazztic665> | ok thanks |
| 16:02 | <Pupuser402> | maybe your isp doesn't like you using linux /shrug |
| 16:02 | <Pupuser402> | good luck |
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| 16:02 | <spazztic665> | lol fucking timewarner/roadrunner |
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| 16:02 | <DarkPurpose> | spazztic665: what desktop are you using? |
| 16:02 | <EmleyMoor> | meep meep! |
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| 16:03 | <ferris> | help |
| 16:03 | <spazztic665> | i hav 3 desktops |
| 16:03 | <Pupuser402> | ... |
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| 16:03 | <Pupuser402> | what WM? kde, gnome? |
| 16:03 | <Pupuser402> | xfce? |
| 16:03 | <spazztic665> | the one im on right now is windows vista sp2 |
| 16:03 | <spazztic665> | other one is the same |
| 16:03 | <spazztic665> | and the other one is debian lenny |
| 16:03 | <DarkPurpose> | those are os'es |
| 16:03 | <spazztic665> | uhm....i think gui? |
| 16:03 | <Pupuser402> | no. in lenny. what graphical interface are you using. do you know what a window manager is? it's probably Gnome or Kde |
| 16:04 | <DarkPurpose> | in debian |
| 16:04 | <spazztic665> | gnome |
| 16:04 | <spazztic665> | sorry |
| 16:04 | <spazztic665> | lol |
| 16:04 | <Pupuser402> | np |
| 16:04 | <DarkPurpose> | lol |
| 16:04 | <jack> | xfce |
| 16:04 | <hybrid> | gnome, gnome, gnome |
| 16:04 | <Pupuser402> | jwm |
| 16:04 | <hybrid> | the best |
| 16:04 | <spazztic665> | it was right there in system > about gnome |
| 16:04 | <jack> | xfce faster =) |
| 16:04 | <Pupuser402> | yeah. it is |
| 16:04 | <Pupuser402> | cleaner, too |
| 16:04 | <Pupuser402> | hmm |
| 16:04 | <jack> | & no gnome network manager =) |
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| 16:05 | <DarkPurpose> | timeout values set too low?? |
| 16:05 | <ferris> | how do i register my nick? |
| 16:05 | <hybrid> | jack, CPU and sensors-applet work in xfce |
| 16:05 | <spazztic665> | i wudnt no |
| 16:05 | <hybrid> | my lapis too special |
| 16:06 | <tony_> | what is the best flash plugin and how do I change the default desktop environment |
| 16:06 | <ferris> | the help page did not say how to do it |
| 16:06 | <jack> | i didn't try it... |
| 16:06 | <jack> | lets check it out... |
| 16:06 | <hybrid> | just I need always to know how is the temperature of my lap |
| 16:06 | <achury> | I have just installed debian 5.0 on an old laptop with faxmodem and no ethernet card. Why debian CD 1 dont includes ppp dialup? |
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| 16:07 | <achury> | I have not broadband here :-s |
| 16:07 | <hybrid> | if it goes up 60 degrees finito |
| 16:07 | <achury> | the computer has cd unit (cant read dvd) |
| 16:07 | <DarkPurpose> | bummer |
| 16:07 | <Gathond> | achury: probably because everyone else has and they are generally ordered by popularity |
| 16:08 | <tony_> | screw it thanks anyway |
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| 16:08 | <achury> | cd 1 is supossed to install a basic system so you can connect and download the remaining apps you want |
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| 16:09 | <achury> | so I now have 2 graphic web browsers and dont have dialup connection, have not sense |
| 16:10 | <achury> | What packages are needed to add ppp dialup to the base system ? |
| 16:10 | <DarkPurpose> | spazz you need to look at your network settings and check for timeout values |
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| 16:10 | <DarkPurpose> | i use kde so i dont know how to find it in gnome |
| 16:11 | <spazztic665> | timeout values in linux or router? |
| 16:11 | <DarkPurpose> | in linux |
| 16:11 | <spazztic665> | ok |
| 16:11 | <DarkPurpose> | im guessing |
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| 16:15 | <spazztic665> | ok my netwrok device is "loopback interface (lo)" |
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| 16:15 | <spazztic665> | my ethernet interface gets no info watso ever if i make it connect to the internet |
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| 16:17 | <DarkPurpose> | loopback is not your network connection |
| 16:18 | <DarkPurpose> | are you getting that from ifconfig? |
| 16:18 | <spazztic665> | ifconfig? |
| 16:18 | <spazztic665> | im using device - network tools |
| 16:18 | <kop> | achury: I've used wvdial. |
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| 16:19 | <DarkPurpose> | go to a shell and type ifconfig |
| 16:19 | <kop> | spazztic665: ping -n the address assigned to your card. Then the router, then an ip on the net (4.2.2.2 will do). |
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| 16:19 | <kop> | spazztic665: If that works then do it without the -n to test dns.) |
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| 16:20 | <spazztic665> | ok that has to b while connected to internet....cuz then im gonna hav to become l33t typer in less than 5 min |
| 16:20 | <spazztic665> | dark: i got a lot of info |
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| 16:21 | <DarkPurpose> | you should see one that starts with eth0 or eth1 |
| 16:21 | <achury> | In the past I added wvdial to a debian based install but was impossible to use the gnome net manager, and get the ppp0 device added there |
| 16:21 | <spazztic665> | yes i do |
| 16:21 | <DarkPurpose> | that is....you said you are using an ethernet card right? |
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| 16:21 | <achury> | allways needed to begin conections from the console |
| 16:21 | <spazztic665> | and when i ping the time is .064ms |
| 16:21 | <spazztic665> | ethernet card yes |
| 16:22 | <achury> | This happens to me on Canaima distro (debian based) |
| 16:22 | <spazztic665> | ping dies out eventually becuz it gets booted off ethernet cable somehow |
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| 16:23 | <spazztic665> | wen i ping router i get .35 ms |
| 16:23 | <jack> | hybrid are you still there? |
| 16:23 | <spazztic665> | ping gone and ethernet dead |
| 16:24 | <jack> | ive installed xfce4-sensors-plugin |
| 16:24 | <spazztic665> | when i ping 4.2.2.2 i get 13.7 ms |
| 16:25 | <jack> | and i run sensors-detect now on my dell xps M1330 works fine |
| 16:25 | <spazztic665> | kop...do i ping my dns (pri or sec)? |
| 16:25 | <DarkPurpose> | spazztic665: you lose connection even when ping running continuously?? |
| 16:25 | <spazztic665> | yes |
| 16:25 | <DarkPurpose> | weird |
| 16:25 | <spazztic665> | it pinged 52 times and then it dies |
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| 16:26 | <spazztic665> | ima reboot lenny while leaving it connected if that fixes it ima b annoyed at some developers |
| 16:26 | <DarkPurpose> | did you find any timeout settings when you were in gnome? |
| 16:26 | <spazztic665> | nope |
| 16:26 | <spazztic665> | i dont no how |
| 16:26 | <cahoot> | using network-manager? |
| 16:26 | <spazztic665> | google aint helping |
| 16:26 | <spazztic665> | i dont have network manager |
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| 16:27 | <spazztic665> | i only have "Network" |
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| 16:27 | <DarkPurpose> | anyone more familiar with gnome can tell spazz where network settings are? |
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| 16:28 | <jack> | use ifconfig... |
| 16:28 | <spazztic665> | i did |
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| 16:28 | <spazztic665> | ill do it again one sec.. it 99% done booting |
| 16:28 | <DarkPurpose> | what does ifconfig say after the connection dies? |
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| 16:30 | <jorzo> | hello |
| 16:30 | <spazztic665> | wat exactly am i looking for? |
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| 16:31 | <jorzo> | apt-listbugs confuses me. Is it telling me about fixed bugs that are fixed in the package I'm installing? |
| 16:31 | <jorzo> | here's an example: |
| 16:31 | <jorzo> | serious bugs of gstreamer0.10-plugins-good (0.10.8-4 -> 0.10.16-4) <done> #515836 - gstreamer0.10-plugins-good: 0.10.8-4.1 unistallable due to .mo (Fixed: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good/0.10.8-4.1) |
| 16:31 | <DarkPurpose> | run ifconfig when the connection is up; then when it is dead and look for a change in info |
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| 16:32 | <jorzo> | I'm installing 0.10.16-4 i think.. that output indicates so, right? But it says there's a bug in 0.10.8-4 that was fixed in 0.10.8-4.1, but... so? |
| 16:32 | <spazztic665> | ok |
| 16:32 | <spazztic665> | inet addr: |
| 16:32 | <spazztic665> | bcast: |
| 16:32 | <spazztic665> | mask: |
| 16:32 | <spazztic665> | inet6 addr: |
| 16:33 | <spazztic665> | those things i hav wen i run with conn....wen conn gone..those things disappear |
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| 16:33 | <spazztic665> | scope: link disappears |
| 16:33 | <spazztic665> | it looks to me lik theres not even an ethernet connected at all |
| 16:34 | <DarkPurpose> | this card is plugged directly to a router? |
| 16:34 | <cahoot> | checked the cable/connector? |
| 16:34 | <spazztic665> | i changed the ethernet cable jus to check for consistancy |
| 16:35 | <spazztic665> | well |
| 16:35 | <spazztic665> | inside the desktop thees a network card plugged in pci |
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| 16:35 | <spazztic665> | and pci has ethernet cable....ethernet cable on the other end is connected to a Linksys N type router |
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| 16:35 | <spazztic665> | router has ethernet in internet port going from the router to the modem |
| 16:36 | <spazztic665> | and right now im on my laptop connected wirelessly |
| 16:36 | <DarkPurpose> | okay |
| 16:36 | <spazztic665> | nope...ethernet wire is not the problem |
| 16:36 | <DarkPurpose> | something got misconfigured in linux when you updated |
| 16:36 | <DarkPurpose> | is my guess |
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| 16:37 | <DarkPurpose> | not sure where to look..i'm in another os right now |
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| 16:38 | <spazztic665> | *sigh* |
| 16:38 | <spazztic665> | looks lik my internet is nvm |
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| 16:38 | <jorzo> | have you verified the driver is loaded and the card is recognizerd? |
| 16:38 | <spazztic665> | device manager? |
| 16:39 | <spazztic665> | Ethernet controller (shows ethernet card picture) |
| 16:39 | <spazztic665> | model: 21x4 DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet |
| 16:40 | <jorzo> | lspci will tell what network card, google will tell what driver, lsmod will tell if the driver is loaded, ifconfig -a will tell if the driver recognized the hardware and registered an eth0 device |
| 16:40 | <spazztic665> | Vendor: davicom semiconfuction, inc. |
| 16:40 | <jorzo> | lsmod | grep tulip |
| 16:40 | <spazztic665> | shell? |
| 16:41 | <DarkPurpose> | yes |
| 16:41 | <jorzo> | anybody use apt-listbugs? |
| 16:41 | <spazztic665> | i typed "lsmod | grep tulip" |
| 16:41 | <spazztic665> | and i got |
| 16:42 | <spazztic665> | "tulip 44096 0" |
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| 16:42 | <jorzo> | dmesg | grep tulip |
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| 16:43 | <spazztic665> | ok uhm |
| 16:43 | <jorzo> | do you know what name the os gives the ethernet device? eth0 ? |
| 16:43 | <spazztic665> | yes |
| 16:43 | <spazztic665> | eth0 |
| 16:43 | <jorzo> | what does ifconfig report for eth0? |
| 16:43 | <spazztic665> | cuz in network device theres lo and eth0 |
| 16:43 | <DarkPurpose> | thanks for the helping spazz jorzo; i've had mostly good luck networking in linux, openbsd |
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| 16:44 | <spazztic665> | ifconfig reads me alot of stuff |
| 16:44 | <jorzo> | ifconfig eth0 |
| 16:44 | <spazztic665> | rx packets, errors, dropped, overruns , frames |
| 16:44 | <jorzo> | does it report an ip address? |
| 16:44 | <spazztic665> | no |
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| 16:44 | <spazztic665> | cuz im not in internet |
| 16:44 | <spazztic665> | if i unplug the ethernet and plug it back in |
| 16:45 | <spazztic665> | if i run the command fast enough within 2 min i get an ip ip6 broadcast |
| 16:45 | <spazztic665> | but after 2 min |
| 16:45 | <spazztic665> | the ethernet is "unplugged" by debian |
| 16:46 | <spazztic665> | HWaddr: |
| 16:46 | <jorzo> | do you run gnome? |
| 16:46 | <spazztic665> | how do i run "gnome" |
| 16:46 | <jorzo> | ps ax | grep NetworkManager |
| 16:46 | <DarkPurpose> | he is running gnome |
| 16:46 | <DarkPurpose> | using gnome |
| 16:47 | <jorzo> | there's basically two ways to run a configured network in debian |
| 16:47 | <jorzo> | NetworkManager or ifupdown |
| 16:47 | <spazztic665> | 2742? Ssl 0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --pid-file/var/ run etc etc |
| 16:47 | <jorzo> | you are using the NetworkManager |
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| 16:48 | <spazztic665> | ifupdown command doesnt work |
| 16:48 | <spazztic665> | failed to parse pipline |
| 16:49 | <spazztic665> | why is linux so damn complicated -.- |
| 16:49 | <jorzo> | well teh NetworkManager is suppsed to be all easy and just work |
| 16:49 | <jorzo> | but if you want my help here, i dont really want to deal with that gui stuff over chat |
| 16:49 | <DarkPurpose> | you are learning something |
| 16:49 | <spazztic665> | ok jorzo |
| 16:50 | <spazztic665> | im learning how many tries does it take to succeed on a "supposedly" failproof thing |
| 16:50 | <jorzo> | do you know where the NetworkManager icon is? |
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| 16:50 | <jorzo> | i t hink it will look like a little computer somewhere on your gnome panel |
| 16:51 | <DarkPurpose> | everything in *nix can be configured........wrong or right |
| 16:51 | <spazztic665> | 2 computer with a lil x under it? |
| 16:51 | <jorzo> | if you know whwere it is, rigth click it and uncheck "Enable Networking" |
| 16:51 | <spazztic665> | it is enabled |
| 16:51 | <jorzo> | oh, wait |
| 16:51 | <jorzo> | are you using wifi on the computer we're troubleshooting? |
| 16:52 | <spazztic665> | no |
| 16:52 | <spazztic665> | wired |
| 16:52 | <spazztic665> | ethernet |
| 16:52 | <jorzo> | so completely disconnecting it wont cause you to lose touch with us |
| 16:52 | <jorzo> | right? |
| 16:52 | <spazztic665> | [modem][modem]---[router]---[debian lenny] |
| 16:52 | <jorzo> | you are using another internet enabled computer to chat |
| 16:52 | <runev> | Anyone with ideas on why my "iwconfig wlan0" shows Bit Rate as "1 Mb/s", after I've set up the connection with wpa_supplicant. The overall speed is terribly slow compared to my other machines. "iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M" changes the rate when doing "iwconfig wlan0" to check if it worked, but doesn't change the "actual" speed. I've even posted more details at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=46774 |
| 16:52 | <spazztic665> | no |
| 16:52 | <spazztic665> | im on my laptop |
| 16:53 | <spazztic665> | i can stay connected |
| 16:53 | <jorzo> | okay, disable the network manager |
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| 16:53 | <jorzo> | there should be a checkbox |
| 16:53 | <spazztic665> | network disabled |
| 16:53 | <jorzo> | okay |
| 16:53 | <jorzo> | ps ax | grep NetworkManager |
| 16:53 | <jorzo> | it's probably still running, and it's sort of a variable i dont want to deal with |
| 16:54 | <spazztic665> | ok |
| 16:54 | <jorzo> | so lets just kill it altogether |
| 16:54 | <spazztic665> | ok |
| 16:54 | <jorzo> | do you know how to do that? |
| 16:54 | <jorzo> | is it killed? |
| 16:54 | <spazztic665> | kill NetworkManager? |
| 16:55 | <jorzo> | well, killall NetworkManager should work |
| 16:55 | <spazztic665> | operation not permitted |
| 16:55 | <spazztic665> | no process killed |
| 16:55 | <spazztic665> | i gotta log in as root? |
| 16:55 | <jorzo> | yes |
| 16:55 | <spazztic665> | ok let me logout n log back in |
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| 16:56 | <DarkPurpose> | sudo |
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| 16:56 | <DarkPurpose> | if permitted |
| 16:57 | <jorzo> | yes, sudo -s should give you an instant root login after prompting for your normal user password |
| 16:57 | <spazztic665> | killall in shell gave me "No Outpu |
| 16:57 | <spazztic665> | t |
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| 16:57 | <jorzo> | You earlier showed me that the process id for Network manager was 2742 |
| 16:57 | <spazztic665> | yes sir |
| 16:58 | <jorzo> | so as root, kill 2742 |
| 16:58 | <spazztic665> | there was more but that was the first one |
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| 16:58 | <jorzo> | the ps ax | grep NetworkManager should eventually show it isn't running anymore |
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| 16:59 | <spazztic665> | ok theres two more wen i do ps ax| |
| 16:59 | <spazztic665> | 2750 (network dispatcher) |
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| 16:59 | <jorzo> | i dont know what that is |
| 16:59 | <spazztic665> | 3816 pts/2 (/bin/grep NetworkManager) |
| 16:59 | <spazztic665> | kill them ? |
| 16:59 | <jorzo> | that 3816 is normal and expected |
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| 16:59 | <jorzo> | no need to kill it, it's already done |
| 17:00 | <jorzo> | that was the grep command |
| 17:00 | <spazztic665> | shud i kill network disapatcher? |
| 17:00 | <spazztic665> | its in the same dir as network manager |
| 17:00 | <jorzo> | yeah, go ahead |
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| 17:01 | <jorzo> | really, there should be some GUI clicky click way to disable network manager, but i dont know it off hand and you can find it eventually if you decide you want to permanently disable that part of your gnome desktop |
| 17:01 | <spazztic665> | ok done |
| 17:01 | <jorzo> | okay |
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| 17:01 | <spazztic665> | only thing open wen i do ps ax| is 3834 |
| 17:02 | <spazztic665> | which u sed is the command we ran |
| 17:02 | <jorzo> | now, your computer is plugged to a router that is supposed to give it an ip address, right? |
| 17:02 | <DarkPurpose> | clicky click........lol |
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| 17:02 | <spazztic665> | ummmm |
| 17:02 | <spazztic665> | yes |
| 17:02 | <jorzo> | okay |
| 17:02 | <jorzo> | well lets see if that works |
| 17:02 | <jorzo> | without setting up your network permanently or anything |
| 17:03 | <jorzo> | lets just tell the device to go request an ip address NOW |
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| 17:03 | <spazztic665> | how so? sorry |
| 17:03 | <spazztic665> | -_- |
| 17:03 | <jorzo> | dhclient eth0 |
| 17:04 | <DarkPurpose> | <----also learning |
| 17:04 | <spazztic665> | ok and now? |
| 17:04 | <spazztic665> | <---- is lik O_O |
| 17:04 | <spazztic665> | <----hails jorzo and dark |
| 17:04 | <jorzo> | you should see some nice reassuring output that eventually ends with a statement indicating your newly assigned ip address |
| 17:04 | <spazztic665> | WHOA WHOA WHOAAAA |
| 17:04 | <jorzo> | ping google.com |
| 17:04 | <spazztic665> | BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH WTFFFF |
| 17:05 | <jorzo> | ahahah |
| 17:05 | <spazztic665> | oh fucking nvm |
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| 17:05 | <spazztic665> | my brother is a dickhead |
| 17:05 | <jorzo> | well |
| 17:05 | <spazztic665> | he yells across the room...theres numbers...and the inernet..nvm blue screen |
| 17:05 | <dr|z3d> | !ops awful smell of troll in here. |
| 17:05 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: awful smell of troll in here. |
| 17:05 | <jorzo> | i dont know what's going on |
| 17:06 | <jorzo> | if all worked out, your computer should be on the internet now |
| 17:06 | <spazztic665> | im going back and forth from one comp to the other |
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| 17:06 | <spazztic665> | well the internet opened up n has the debian.org page |
| 17:06 | <spazztic665> | i typed in google.com and its stuck in the "Loading "google.com" |
| 17:07 | <jorzo> | what aobut the dhclient output |
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| 17:07 | <jorzo> | did it show you were being awarded an ip address by the router? |
| 17:07 | <spazztic665> | internet died |
| 17:07 | <spazztic665> | it did but then it dies again |
| 17:07 | <DarkPurpose> | he loses connection shortly after connecting |
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| 17:08 | <jorzo> | maybe that gui stuff is still running |
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| 17:08 | <jorzo> | dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 17:08 | <jorzo> | see any error messages there? |
| 17:08 | <spazztic665> | shell or terminal? |
| 17:09 | <DarkPurpose> | either |
| 17:09 | <jorzo> | i dont understand the terminology |
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| 17:09 | <jorzo> | gnome-terminal is fine |
| 17:09 | <jorzo> | you should just keep your root session |
| 17:09 | <spazztic665> | ok uhm |
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| 17:10 | <spazztic665> | net devup: link is not ready |
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| 17:10 | <spazztic665> | net devup: link is not ready |
| 17:10 | <spazztic665> | net dev_change: link becomes ready |
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| 17:10 | <spazztic665> | eth0 no IPv6 routers present |
| 17:11 | <jorzo> | IPv6 is irrelevent |
| 17:11 | <jorzo> | the internet is IPv4 and you can ignore all the ipv6 information |
| 17:11 | <spazztic665> | theres no ipv4 info on here |
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| 17:12 | <jorzo> | when the device is up and you are on the internet, you should have something like "inet addr: 192.168.0.2" |
| 17:12 | <spazztic665> | yea |
| 17:12 | <jorzo> | on the second line of the "eth0" entry |
| 17:12 | <jorzo> | that's ipv4 info |
| 17:12 | <mentor> | spazztic665: Do the link messages keep on appearing? |
| 17:13 | <spazztic665> | ok ok one at a time |
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| 17:13 | <jorzo> | do you see an inet addr: line? |
| 17:13 | <spazztic665> | wen im connected i get ipv4 info |
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| 17:13 | <spazztic665> | the link messages come come come come come and then cease |
| 17:13 | * | Hydroxide paying attention now though not seeing trollishness atm |
| 17:14 | <mentor> | I think your network cable is probably dodgy |
| 17:14 | <jorzo> | spazztic665: does it work in windows? |
| 17:14 | <spazztic665> | the ethernet cable itself? |
| 17:14 | <mentor> | yes |
| 17:14 | <mentor> | If the link keeps on going up and down |
| 17:14 | <spazztic665> | cant b...i hav 4 ethernet cables...and they all dodgy? |
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| 17:14 | <jorzo> | is the NetworkManager stuff all completely gone? |
| 17:15 | <spazztic665> | ayes and and yes to the windows |
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| 17:15 | <mentor> | Well, then maybe the ethernet card or ethernet switch |
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| 17:15 | <spazztic665> | my laptop goes onto the internet wired and wireless no prob |
| 17:15 | <spazztic665> | my desktop connects only thru ethernet...no prob.... |
| 17:15 | <spazztic665> | debian...acts lik the thernet gets ripped out |
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| 17:16 | <spazztic665> | every 2 min and wont auto connect unless i manually rip it out n reconnect |
| 17:16 | <spazztic665> | do you guys suggest i reinstall? |
| 17:16 | <mentor> | So are there lots of link messages, or not? |
| 17:16 | <mentor> | No |
| 17:16 | <spazztic665> | 6 link messages |
| 17:16 | <spazztic665> | link becomes ready x3 |
| 17:16 | <ichdasich> | soo |
| 17:17 | <spazztic665> | link is not ready x2 |
| 17:17 | <ichdasich> | er... sry.. wrong channel. |
| 17:17 | <spazztic665> | link becomes ready x1 |
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| 17:17 | <spazztic665> | then |
| 17:17 | <mentor> | spazztic665: And do these relate to you pulling the cable? |
| 17:17 | <jorzo> | mentor, ever use apt-listbugs? |
| 17:17 | <spazztic665> | eth0 no ipv6 routers present |
| 17:17 | <spazztic665> | no they do not |
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| 17:17 | <spazztic665> | i disconnect n reconnect it and then leave it alot |
| 17:17 | <spazztic665> | alone* |
| 17:18 | <mentor> | Your hardware is dodgy somewhere |
| 17:18 | <spazztic665> | i managed to get cponnection ONE time without the manual..by doing the dhclient eth0 |
| 17:18 | <spazztic665> | but if i run that again....no joy |
| 17:18 | <jorzo> | oh? |
| 17:18 | <jorzo> | dhclient eth0 doesnt always work theN? |
| 17:18 | <spazztic665> | it did |
| 17:18 | <spazztic665> | one time |
| 17:18 | <spazztic665> | then internet jus died |
| 17:19 | <jorzo> | that all seems pretty consistent with the faulty hardware theory |
| 17:20 | <jorzo> | modprobe -r tulip ; modprobe tulip ; dmesg | grep tulip |
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| 17:22 | <spazztic665> | no output |
| 17:22 | <jorzo> | you could try completely shutting down gnome and X and just trying the dhclient stuff from teh command line and using ping to verify the connection |
| 17:22 | <spazztic665> | how do i shutdown gnome |
| 17:22 | <spazztic665> | ? |
| 17:22 | <jorzo> | as root, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 17:23 | <jorzo> | ultimately you should have a linux console login screen |
| 17:23 | <spazztic665> | oh wtf |
| 17:23 | <jorzo> | you can login that way and get a command prompt |
| 17:23 | <spazztic665> | ok |
| 17:23 | <DarkPurpose> | i wonder if it always shuts down after the same length of time? |
| 17:24 | <spazztic665> | yes |
| 17:24 | <spazztic665> | same length everytime |
| 17:24 | <spazztic665> | without fail |
| 17:24 | <spazztic665> | ok im on the black screen and only commandprompt type writingt |
| 17:24 | <spazztic665> | i logged in as root |
| 17:24 | <jorzo> | okay |
| 17:24 | <spazztic665> | entered password n im in i guess |
| 17:24 | <jorzo> | dhclient eth0 |
| 17:24 | <DarkPurpose> | you are now entering a more powerful realm of computing |
| 17:24 | <jorzo> | heh |
| 17:25 | <spazztic665> | no such decvice when i ran dhclient eth0 |
| 17:25 | <jorzo> | oh really |
| 17:25 | <jorzo> | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 17:25 | <spazztic665> | this is the realm i figured i wud become l33t in but as its evident...im not worthy |
| 17:25 | <jorzo> | if that gives an error, modprobe tulip |
| 17:26 | <spazztic665> | ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 17:26 | <DarkPurpose> | you must have the strenght to continue your journey |
| 17:26 | <spazztic665> | OMFGGGG |
| 17:26 | <jorzo> | okay, tulip probably isnt loaded |
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| 17:26 | <jorzo> | i told you to unload it earlier |
| 17:26 | <DarkPurpose> | strength |
| 17:26 | <spazztic665> | unload tulip? |
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| 17:26 | <jorzo> | no |
| 17:26 | <jorzo> | run "modprobe tulip" |
| 17:26 | <spazztic665> | i did |
| 17:26 | <jorzo> | at the command line |
| 17:26 | <jorzo> | lsmod | grep tulip |
| 17:26 | <spazztic665> | it gave me a fulll screen of info |
| 17:26 | <jorzo> | that should show it is loaded |
| 17:27 | <jorzo> | oh really |
| 17:27 | <jorzo> | what info? |
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| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | i think i froze |
| 17:27 | <jorzo> | does it look bad or good? |
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| 17:27 | <jorzo> | heh |
| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | modules linked in |
| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | pid |
| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | eip |
| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | eip |
| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | eac |
| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | esi |
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| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | process rsysload |
| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | stack |
| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | call trace |
| 17:27 | <PovAddict> | pastebin! |
| 17:27 | <jorzo> | haha |
| 17:27 | <spazztic665> | code |
| 17:28 | <spazztic665> | end trace |
| 17:28 | <jorzo> | that's bad |
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| 17:28 | <jorzo> | do you still have control of the computer? |
| 17:28 | <jorzo> | alt-f2 |
| 17:28 | <spazztic665> | setting fullduplex based on mii#1 link partner capabilty of cde1 |
| 17:28 | <spazztic665> | no control |
| 17:28 | <jorzo> | try holding alt and hitting the F2 button |
| 17:29 | <jorzo> | anything happen? |
| 17:29 | <spazztic665> | nada |
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| 17:29 | <spazztic665> | coldboot? |
| 17:29 | <jorzo> | okay, well, you really did hit the linux equivelent of the blue screen of death |
| 17:29 | <spazztic665> | ok |
| 17:29 | <jorzo> | congrats |
| 17:29 | <spazztic665> | thank you |
| 17:29 | <jorzo> | yeah, coldboot i guess |
| 17:29 | <spazztic665> | it takes a special sort of person to acheive this |
| 17:29 | <DarkPurpose> | heh |
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| 17:31 | <PovAddict> | kernel panic? |
| 17:31 | <jorzo> | it's looking likely to be a hardware problem or a bug in the tulip driver (which has been around a long time and supports a whole bunch of cards and has a whole bunch of users...) |
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| 17:31 | <spazztic665> | ok im back in as root |
| 17:31 | <jorzo> | yeah kernel panic |
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| 17:32 | <jorzo> | i'm tempted to do the same thing all over again |
| 17:32 | <spazztic665> | lets do this |
| 17:33 | <jorzo> | if you get a kernel panic again, then its time to google your network card adn see if theres some issue with the tulip driver or if maybe you arent even supposed to be using tulip |
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| 17:33 | <DarkPurpose> | what would make the network drop in 2 minutes every time?? |
| 17:33 | <spazztic665> | ok |
| 17:33 | <spazztic665> | if im not supposed to b using tulip...wats the medicine doc? |
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| 17:34 | <jorzo> | use lspci to identify your pci id for your hardware and then google to find what linux drivers support that card |
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| 17:34 | <spazztic665> | ok im at the command prompt looking thing...and im in as root |
| 17:34 | <spazztic665> | next command? |
| 17:34 | <jorzo> | you killed X and Gnome and such? |
| 17:34 | <jorzo> | with taht /etc/init.d/gdm stop ? |
| 17:34 | <spazztic665> | yes mam |
| 17:34 | <jorzo> | alrighty |
| 17:34 | <jorzo> | lsmod | grep tulip |
| 17:35 | <jorzo> | ifconfig | grep -A1 eth0 |
| 17:35 | <spazztic665> | idk if i killed x but i did the /etc/ini.d only |
| 17:35 | <jorzo> | ifconfig -a | grep -A1 eth0 |
| 17:35 | <spazztic665> | ok lsmod | grep tulip |
| 17:35 | <jorzo> | that /etc/init.d/gdm stop command will kill X, Gnome, and the loathsome NetworkManager |
| 17:35 | <spazztic665> | 44896 8 |
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| 17:36 | <spazztic665> | capital A? |
| 17:36 | <jorzo> | yes |
| 17:36 | <spazztic665> | that did nothing |
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| 17:37 | <jorzo> | this "ifconfig -a | grep -A1 eth0" does nothing? |
| 17:37 | <jorzo> | Note the -a after ifconfig |
| 17:37 | <spazztic665> | ok didnt see the ifconfig part |
| 17:37 | <jorzo> | oh |
| 17:38 | <spazztic665> | ok |
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| 17:38 | <spazztic665> | Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr:00:etcetc |
| 17:38 | <jorzo> | ifconfig -a shows all network devices whether they are currently active or not |
| 17:38 | <spazztic665> | BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric: 1 |
| 17:39 | <jorzo> | grep filters out all of the outpt except lines with "eth0" in them and the -A1 causes one more line after the one with "eth0" in it to be printed as well |
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| 17:39 | <spazztic665> | ok |
| 17:39 | <spazztic665> | ipconfig -a | grep -A1 eth0 |
| 17:39 | <jorzo> | well |
| 17:39 | <spazztic665> | things me |
| 17:39 | <spazztic665> | gives me* |
| 17:40 | <massmc> | Hi, How do I add multiple users in tight vnc server |
| 17:40 | <PovAddict> | vnc has no notion of "users" |
| 17:40 | <spazztic665> | link encap:ethernet hwaddr:00.00.ad.86.97.c1 |
| 17:40 | <jorzo> | well, i think you can go ahead and say "dhclient eth0" and brace yourself for a kernel panic |
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| 17:40 | <spazztic665> | BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 17:40 | <spazztic665> | *holds breathe* |
| 17:41 | <massmc> | PovAddict, I have a box set up running fluxbox and tightvnc.. I just want to make it so multiple users are able to vnc into it at any given time |
| 17:41 | <PovAddict> | run multiple servers, from different user accounts and listening on different ports |
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| 17:41 | <spazztic665> | slow pinging |
| 17:42 | <jorzo> | you have it online? |
| 17:42 | <massmc> | how do i add ports to tightvnc? it's only 1 port atm.. I can surely assign diff ports to diff users right? |
| 17:42 | <spazztic665> | its pinging the subnetmask |
| 17:42 | <jorzo> | oh |
| 17:42 | <spazztic665> | ok i think its done |
| 17:42 | <spazztic665> | no kernal panic |
| 17:42 | <PovAddict> | massmc: there is a command line switch to make it listen on a different port |
| 17:42 | <spazztic665> | i still have control |
| 17:42 | <massmc> | PovAddict, how do I run it in as other users? |
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| 17:43 | <massmc> | thats my best option I think PovAddict |
| 17:43 | <jorzo> | does ifconfig eth0 show an ip address on teh second line of output? |
| 17:43 | <spazztic665> | no joy |
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| 17:45 | <jorzo> | well, i guess i'd want to look at the outputs of "ifconfig -a" and "dmesg" and "route -n" and "lsmod" and "lspci" ... |
| 17:45 | <jorzo> | if you could get all that to a pastebin |
| 17:46 | <spazztic665> | copy paste? |
| 17:46 | <jorzo> | http://debian.pastebin.com/ |
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| 17:46 | <jorzo> | you would use that to host a link to your output |
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| 17:47 | <jorzo> | you're probably screwed tho, it's probably your hardware |
| 17:47 | <spazztic665> | but i need internet dont i? |
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| 17:47 | <jorzo> | unless it's a driver bug |
| 17:47 | <dr|z3d> | massmc: run tightvncserver as many times as you need. |
| 17:47 | <jorzo> | uname -a |
| 17:47 | <dr|z3d> | each new instance will create a new desktop. |
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| 17:47 | <dr|z3d> | no need to specify ports. |
| 17:48 | <dr|z3d> | it will automatically increment. login via ip:desktop |
| 17:48 | <jorzo> | spazztic665: yes, you would need internet... |
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| 17:48 | <spazztic665> | cripes |
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| 17:48 | <jorzo> | you're sure this works in windows? |
| 17:48 | <spazztic665> | the ethernet card? |
| 17:50 | <spazztic665> | ok i cannot type all that tonight lol |
| 17:50 | <spazztic665> | jorzo...think if i reinstall it might fix the prob |
| 17:50 | <jorzo> | lspci -vns `lspci | grep Ethernet | cut -d' ' -f1` |
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| 17:51 | <spazztic665> | one line? |
| 17:51 | <jorzo> | note the forward and backword apostrophies |
| 17:51 | <spazztic665> | tilde is ` |
| 17:51 | <spazztic665> | nvm |
| 17:51 | <jorzo> | that shoudl dump info on your network card |
| 17:51 | <jorzo> | the -d' ' has a space in quotes |
| 17:51 | <spazztic665> | oh ok |
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| 17:52 | <jorzo> | if all goes according to my plan, the first line of output will show us the pci id |
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| 17:53 | <doggydaddy> | pew pew |
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| 17:53 | <spazztic665> | ok |
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| 17:54 | <jorzo> | the first line should say two 4-digit hex numbers with a colon between them somewhere |
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| 17:54 | <jorzo> | that is the pci id |
| 17:54 | <jorzo> | the second line should have a similar looking id labeled "Subsystem" that is also relevent sometimes |
| 17:54 | <spazztic665> | 0z00; 1z8z;910z (rev31) |
| 17:54 | <spazztic665> | sub is 4554; 434e |
| 17:55 | <jorzo> | those zs must be 2s |
| 17:55 | <spazztic665> | oh lol |
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| 17:55 | <themill> | judd pciid 1282:9102 |
| 17:55 | <judd> | themill: [1282:9102] is '21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet' from 'Davicom Semiconductor, Inc.' with kernel modules 'tulip', 'dmfe' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1282:9102 |
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| 17:56 | <jorzo> | aha |
| 17:56 | <jorzo> | lsmod | grep dmfe |
| 17:56 | <spazztic665> | we need dmfe |
| 17:56 | <jorzo> | do not run tulip and dmfe together |
| 17:57 | <jorzo> | they'd likely interfere |
| 17:57 | <jorzo> | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=236928 |
| 17:57 | <spazztic665> | 1668 0 |
| 17:57 | <DarkPurpose> | good luck folks; going to work |
| 17:57 | <jorzo> | so you have both dmfe and tulip |
| 17:57 | <spazztic665> | 16688 |
| 17:57 | <jorzo> | that's probably your issue |
| 17:57 | <spazztic665> | later darkpurpose |
| 17:57 | <DarkPurpose> | later, thanks |
| 17:57 | <jorzo> | modprobe -r dmfe |
| 17:57 | <jorzo> | get rid of that sucker |
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| 17:57 | <spazztic665> | yes it says kernal module: tulip, dmfe |
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| 17:58 | <spazztic665> | modprobe -r dmfe |
| 17:58 | <jorzo> | does that work? |
| 17:58 | <spazztic665> | wtf...wrong keyboard |
| 17:58 | <jorzo> | after you run it, verify dmfe is not loaded |
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| 17:58 | <spazztic665> | no joy |
| 17:58 | <jorzo> | maybe you should unload and reload tulip as well |
| 17:58 | <jorzo> | well |
| 17:58 | <jorzo> | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 17:58 | <jorzo> | modprobe -r tulip |
| 17:59 | <jorzo> | modprobe -r dmfe |
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| 17:59 | <jorzo> | lsmod |
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| 17:59 | <jorzo> | we want tulpi and dmfe gone if we can do it |
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| 17:59 | <spazztic665> | uhm....where do i read in the 3 pages that came up if they r gone |
| 18:00 | <jorzo> | heh |
| 18:00 | <jorzo> | lsmod | grep dmfe |
| 18:00 | <spazztic665> | i did ifconfig eth0 down and nothing happened |
| 18:00 | <jorzo> | lsmod | grep tulip |
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| 18:00 | <spazztic665> | then modprobe for tulip n dmfe n nothing happened |
| 18:00 | <jorzo> | no output is okay |
| 18:01 | <jorzo> | lsmod will show if the modules are loaded |
| 18:01 | <spazztic665> | nothing happened and nothing happened |
| 18:01 | <jorzo> | if nothing happens on the lsmod | grep * commands i listed, then we are good to go |
| 18:01 | <jorzo> | now |
| 18:01 | <spazztic665> | good |
| 18:02 | <spazztic665> | yea i gots a good feeling about this |
| 18:02 | <spazztic665> | or i cud b starving |
| 18:02 | <jorzo> | i'm not sure which of tulip or dmfe you should use and maybe you have your choice |
| 18:02 | <jorzo> | so just try tulip |
| 18:02 | <jorzo> | modprobe tulip |
| 18:02 | <jorzo> | ifconfig eth0 |
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| 18:02 | <spazztic665> | its telling me to cut s"here" |
| 18:03 | <spazztic665> | end trace.... |
| 18:03 | <jorzo> | dunno what you are saying |
| 18:03 | <spazztic665> | kernal panic |
| 18:03 | <jorzo> | lol |
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| 18:04 | <spazztic665> | ok redo? |
| 18:04 | <spazztic665> | but this time modprobe dmfe? |
| 18:04 | <jorzo> | okay, cold boot and edit the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add the single line "tulip" to the file |
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| 18:05 | <jorzo> | then reboot again and probably it will load dmfe and things will work |
| 18:05 | <spazztic665> | but didnt tulip jus crash us? |
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| 18:05 | <spazztic665> | ohhhhh nvm |
| 18:05 | <jorzo> | yes, adding "tulip" to that file will tell it to stay the hell away from tulip |
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| 18:05 | <spazztic665> | yea jus understood |
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| 18:05 | <spazztic665> | modprobe = kill _name here_ |
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| 18:07 | <spazztic665> | blacklist tulip |
| 18:07 | <spazztic665> | jus lik that? |
| 18:07 | <jorzo> | on my system, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist doesnt exist and i think you'd want to add "blacklist tulip" to the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 18:07 | <spazztic665> | ok |
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| 18:07 | <spazztic665> | it exists on mine and i added it |
| 18:08 | <spazztic665> | reboot? |
| 18:08 | <jorzo> | okay, reboot and use lsmod | grep tulip to see that tulip isnt loaded |
| 18:08 | <spazztic665> | ok |
| 18:08 | <jorzo> | also your network should work |
| 18:09 | <jorzo> | you could probably enable the gui thing if you want |
| 18:09 | <spazztic665> | uhm....lsmod | grep tulip as root in normal desktop or on the command prompt looking thing? |
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| 18:10 | <gasull> | Hi. After some automatic updates with the Update Manager I got an error upgrading udev and now X Window doesn't start. I'm not sure if both problems are related. I don't know where to start for fixing this. Please help. |
| 18:10 | <jorzo> | lsmod | grep tulip anywhere you have a command prompt |
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| 18:10 | <spazztic665> | ok |
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| 18:10 | <jorzo> | it should have no output |
| 18:10 | <peej> | not blacklist.conf. Just /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist at least on lenny. |
| 18:10 | <themill> | gasull: what's the output of "aptitude -f install"? And are we talking lenny? squeeze? sid? |
| 18:10 | <jorzo> | if it has output: oops. |
| 18:11 | <gasull> | themill: lenny |
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| 18:12 | <spazztic665> | tulip is on |
| 18:12 | <jorzo> | oops. |
| 18:12 | <spazztic665> | tulip 44096 0 |
| 18:12 | <jorzo> | peej, can you help him blacklist tulip? |
| 18:12 | <spazztic665> | i had high expectations |
| 18:12 | <themill> | !blacklist |
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| 18:12 | <dpkg> | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 18:14 | <jorzo> | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:14 | <dpkg> | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 18:14 | <spazztic665> | do i run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 18:15 | <spazztic665> | on terminal? |
| 18:15 | <jorzo> | yes |
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| 18:15 | <spazztic665> | i understand |
| 18:15 | <jorzo> | as root |
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| 18:15 | <gianluca> | !it |
| 18:15 | <dpkg> | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:15 | <spazztic665> | running depomod |
| 18:15 | <spazztic665> | depmod* |
| 18:16 | <gasull> | thimill: It says libmail-box-perl is broken and it wants to install a lot of programs including g++ python2.5, some latex packages and a some more. it also says "The following partially installed packages will be configured: udev". But last time I did aptitude safe-upgrade it failed to configure udev. It suggest leaving libmail-box-perl in its current version. Should I go ahead and press "Yes"? |
| 18:16 | <spazztic665> | ok its running a load of useful stuff |
| 18:16 | <jorzo> | probably it was techincally more debian-kosher for you to add teh blacklist line to blacklist.local.conf rather than blacklist.conf or blacklist |
| 18:16 | <spazztic665> | wheres blacklist.local.conf |
| 18:17 | <jorzo> | you would create it |
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| 18:17 | <peej> | spazztic665, what does grep tulip /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist* give you? |
| 18:17 | <spazztic665> | i added it to /etc/modprobe.d/bracklist |
| 18:17 | <jorzo> | bracklist really... |
| 18:17 | <spazztic665> | blacklist* |
| 18:17 | <jorzo> | there's your problem ;P |
| 18:17 | <spazztic665> | O.o where? |
| 18:17 | <themill> | gasull: it would be a lot easier for me to be able to read it myself. can you pastebin "aptitude --show-versions -f install" |
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| 18:18 | <jorzo> | spazztic665: i was teasing over the typo |
| 18:18 | <spazztic665> | i did lsmod after the dpkg command and tulip still on...reboot? |
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| 18:19 | <gasull> | themill: I cannot copypaste in terminal mode, only in X Windows. What program should I install for copypasting between tty's? |
| 18:19 | <jorzo> | spazztic665: i think what you've done will probably work with teh dpkg-reconfigure line, but i think its technically better to follow the bot's advise and put the line in a new file called blacklist.local.conf... otherwise i suppose it's conceivable your blacklist will not be remembered accross some routine upgrade |
| 18:20 | <spazztic665> | oh ok |
| 18:20 | <spazztic665> | same dir? |
| 18:20 | <jorzo> | yes |
| 18:20 | <gasull> | themill: BTW, I use Lenny with apt-pinning to other repos |
| 18:20 | <spazztic665> | ext is .conf? |
| 18:20 | <themill> | gasull: which other repos? |
| 18:20 | <jorzo> | that's what the bot said |
| 18:21 | <gasull> | themill: sid and even Ubuntu por packages not in Debian |
| 18:21 | <themill> | gasull: oh ffs... Now you know why your apt is broken. |
| 18:21 | <jorzo> | try it and run teh dpkg-reconfigure command again and then reboot and if you still have tulip, try some more permutations like putting it that otehr file you originally had it and so on until you get a fresh boot without tulip |
| 18:22 | <spazztic665> | no need to ma nikka ....internet running smoother than a baby bottom |
| 18:23 | <spazztic665> | jorzo and bot ..you ared my gods |
| 18:23 | <spazztic665> | are* |
| 18:23 | <jorzo> | well |
| 18:23 | <gasull> | themill: OK. What can I do? Any program for copypasting in terminal mode? |
| 18:23 | <themill> | gasull: do you have netcat installed? aptitude -f -s -V install | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
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| 18:23 | <jorzo> | now that ive put in so much time helping you solve your issue, you must promise to continue as a loyal linux user for life |
| 18:23 | <spazztic665> | hell fucking yea |
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| 18:23 | <spazztic665> | that was too much work to say fuck that |
| 18:24 | <themill> | gasull: but you've made some sort of frankenbuntu here and I don't know that anyone will actually be interested in unbreaking your box. |
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| 18:24 | <spazztic665> | u guys r gods ....windows is for amateurs u r l33t |
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| 18:24 | <furtano> | hi |
| 18:24 | * | spazztic665 hails eternally |
| 18:24 | <furtano> | if i open my keyboard input is very delayed, why ? |
| 18:24 | <furtano> | i mean terminal |
| 18:24 | <EmleyMoor> | It's because Debian is so good and consistent I'm sure my scanner problem is hardware |
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| 18:25 | <furtano> | if i open the terminal my keyboard input delays 5 sec or so |
| 18:25 | <gasull> | themill: http://paste.debian.net/51240 |
| 18:25 | <EmleyMoor> | furtano: Is it slow in anything else? USB or keyboard port? |
| 18:26 | <furtano> | no in chat here its normal |
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| 18:26 | <EmleyMoor> | furtano: Which terminal are you using? |
| 18:27 | <spazztic666> | linux up n running ^_^ |
| 18:27 | <furtano> | gnome-terminal |
| 18:27 | <furtano> | EmleyMoor, ubuntu 9.10 |
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| 18:27 | <jorzo> | i bet the keyboard issue has something tot do with dbus and hal, the source of all ills in the universe |
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| 18:27 | <EmleyMoor> | !ubuntu |
| 18:27 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 18:28 | <gasull> | themill: A lot of people use apt-pinning with Lenny and Sid. I don't think I have more than 5 packages installed from the Ubuntu repos. How can I see that? |
| 18:28 | <jorzo> | shouldn't that bot tell ubuntu users to add sid sources to sources.list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:28 | <themill> | gasull: no.... mixing lenny and sid is most definitely *not* supported. |
| 18:29 | <themill> | gasull: what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6 perl udev ; apt-cache policy" |
| 18:29 | <furtano> | hmm i dont know before some days it worked perfectly |
| 18:30 | <gasull> | themill: http://paste.debian.net/51241/ |
| 18:30 | <jorzo> | !grml |
| 18:30 | <dpkg> | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:30 | <gasull> | themill: http://paste.debian.net/51242/ |
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| 18:30 | <furtano> | iam gonna restart maybe it fixes it |
| 18:30 | <furtano> | but this problem got from a fresh start |
| 18:30 | * | jorzo notes the difference between the bot's response to ubuntu and grml |
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| 18:31 | <Nemoder> | iceweasel segfaults on me whenever I click browse on a file upload site :( |
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| 18:31 | * | Xenguy wonders how grml compares to SystemRescueCD... |
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| 18:32 | <jorzo> | i've not use systemrescuecd |
| 18:32 | <gasull> | themill: it says http://localhost because I use apt-p2p |
| 18:32 | <themill> | yeah, figured that |
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| 18:33 | <jorzo> | i've used grml as my primary sytem, not just a rescue cd |
| 18:33 | <themill> | gasull: i386 or amd64, btw? |
| 18:33 | <jorzo> | it's debian + grml packages |
| 18:33 | <gasull> | themill: amd64 |
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| 18:33 | <jorzo> | and lots of custom configurations |
| 18:33 | <furtano> | diddnt work, terminal is still ultra slo |
| 18:33 | <furtano> | w |
| 18:34 | <furtano> | on boot he said something with stab couldnt load ... something swap |
| 18:34 | <themill> | gasull: congratulations, you have a funky mixture of lenny and sid who knows what else. Your udev and libc6 is from sid while perl is from lenny. Any prizes for guessing why this isn't working atm? |
| 18:34 | <themill> | gasull: oh, and udev in sid has some horrid bugs atm. |
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| 18:35 | <themill> | gasull: your best approach is to "/msg dpkg reinstall" and not mix repositories. Just install stable and maybe backports.org until you know why it was such a bad move to do what you did. |
| 18:36 | <gasull> | themill: OK. Thanks. |
| 18:36 | <gasull> | themill: Thanks a lot. |
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| 18:37 | <gasull> | themill: first time using irssi. How do I read the input from /msg dpkg reinstall ? |
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| 18:38 | <themill> | no idea. I don't use irssi |
| 18:38 | <EmleyMoor> | gasull: Look at the status line - it will say [Act: and some numbers... |
| 18:38 | <jorzo> | i use irssi, use /query dpkg |
| 18:38 | <EmleyMoor> | Esc and the numbers switches window |
| 18:39 | <jorzo> | control-n and control-p might be useful to |
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| 18:40 | <jorzo> | themill: i'm somewhat confused by apt-listbugs. Does it tell me about bugs that occured and were fixed in versions of packages between the version i have and the version i'm installing? |
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| 18:40 | <jorzo> | if the bug is fixed in the version i'm installing, it shouldnt be bothering me about it, right? |
| 18:42 | <themill> | that's my understanding. I only run stable on machines I care about though so I don't have it installed |
| 18:43 | <EmleyMoor> | It depends how up to date the "fixed in" information is |
| 18:43 | <EmleyMoor> | Often, in stable, the fix is done in a version that appears to be earlier |
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| 18:44 | <jorzo> | #515836 - gstreamer0.10-plugins-good: 0.10.8-4.1 unistallable due to .mo (Fixed: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good/0.10.8-4.1) It tells me this when i believe I am installing version 0.10.16-4 |
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| 19:03 | <furtano> | guys did find the solution why gnome terminal had so big delay :) |
| 19:03 | <furtano> | swap partition was deactivated ^ |
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| 19:14 | <KTL> | can anyone here add something usefull at http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Sound ? |
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| 19:16 | <KTL> | macbook pro 5.2 sound works with kernel 2.6.32-1-amd64 if you put the line "options snd_hda_intel model=mb5" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
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| 19:21 | <minces> | HI, WHEN I HIDE 'PS AUX' FROM NORMAL USERS? ONLY ROOT VIEW ALL PROCESS ? |
| 19:22 | <faheem> | minces: what's with the capitals? |
| 19:22 | <abrotman> | minces: turn off the capslock |
| 19:22 | <KTL> | screaming |
| 19:22 | <minces> | sorry |
| 19:22 | <minces> | poor english |
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| 19:23 | <abrotman> | !br |
| 19:23 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:23 | <minces> | wait.. |
| 19:23 | <minces> | abrotman dont help... em br.. ;/ |
| 19:23 | <minces> | only this |
| 19:23 | <KTL> | minces, chmod go-x /bin/ps |
| 19:23 | <minces> | wait a minute |
| 19:23 | <KTL> | maybe |
| 19:23 | <minces> | i go translate |
| 19:23 | <minces> | ktl no.. |
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| 19:24 | <faheem> | minces: you want only root to be able to see the output of 'ps aux'? |
| 19:24 | <vimpulse> | panthera: hey. Thanks for maintaining dosfstools. I had no idea that certain vfat filesystems can never be bootable, so I used mkfs.vfat. Then I couldn't start Windows until I found the right words to type into Google to find out what the problem was. Could you please make mkfs.vfat print a warning message to prevent people from running into problems like I did? |
| 19:24 | <minces> | faheem yes |
| 19:24 | <faheem> | minces: that's not easy |
| 19:24 | <abrotman> | KTL: don't tell him that |
| 19:24 | <KTL> | :D |
| 19:24 | <faheem> | without screwing with the system |
| 19:24 | <faheem> | which is not really recommended |
| 19:24 | <faheem> | why did you want to do this? |
| 19:25 | <themill> | KTL: "ls /proc", that doesn't really help. |
| 19:25 | <faheem> | i assume some security reason? |
| 19:25 | <minces> | normal users only see the process of it.. |
| 19:25 | <minces> | faheem yes security |
| 19:25 | <vimpulse> | minces: *which* security reason? :) |
| 19:26 | <minces> | vimpulse .. |
| 19:26 | <faheem> | minces: not letting users see their own processes running sounds like a violation of the bill of rights or something :-) |
| 19:26 | <faheem> | minces: personally i |
| 19:26 | <faheem> | would not try to do that |
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| 19:27 | <minces> | faheem |
| 19:27 | <KTL> | maybe putting the user in a virtual machine to keep him from fiddling with the system is what he wants... |
| 19:27 | <abrotman> | isn't this what grsec is for ? |
| 19:28 | <faheem> | KTL: mm. not really sure what he wants |
| 19:28 | <minces> | the using anger to see its proper process. not see the others process of machine |
| 19:28 | <faheem> | i don't see how you could easily stop people from seeing their own processes. for one i would be quite upset if a sysadmin tried to do that to me |
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| 19:28 | <faheem> | minces: don't follow |
| 19:28 | <minces> | exactly giving ' ps aux' it will only see its process |
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| 19:29 | <faheem> | minces: oh, i see |
| 19:29 | <faheem> | you want users to only see their own processes, unless the user is root? |
| 19:29 | <minces> | faheem yeessssss |
| 19:29 | <vimpulse> | faheem: do you know?: why does minces want users to only see their own processes? |
| 19:30 | <faheem> | vimpulse: dunno |
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| 19:30 | <minces> | only root see all process of machine |
| 19:30 | <minces> | normal users only see its process |
| 19:31 | <minces> | faheem can u help-me ? |
| 19:31 | <minces> | poor english sorry man |
| 19:31 | <faheem> | minces: no idea how to implement this, sorry. i think that it would have to involve low level messing with the system, possibly at the kernel level |
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| 19:32 | <faheem> | unless something like selinux could help. but i've no idea what that does |
| 19:32 | <minces> | hum ok.. |
| 19:32 | <minces> | faheem tkz man |
| 19:32 | <minces> | for attention |
| 19:33 | <faheem> | minces: sure. sorry i couldn't help |
| 19:33 | <minces> | key.. tks |
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| 19:36 | <vimpulse> | minces`out: why do you want users to only see their own processes? |
| 19:36 | <faheem> | minces`out: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux |
| 19:36 | <faheem> | from the description, it might do what you want, but you'll need to try a different channel, probably |
| 19:37 | <faheem> | vimpulse: privilege issue. other users commands are private information? |
| 19:37 | <faheem> | mplayer porn_clip.mp4 etc. |
| 19:37 | <faheem> | not unreasonable, really |
| 19:38 | <faheem> | anyone here use selinux? |
| 19:38 | <vimpulse> | faheem: good point. I have CentOS, and that OS comes with SELinux preinstalled. I think Fedora does too. |
| 19:38 | <vimpulse> | faheem: How many users will be logged onto your system at the same time? |
| 19:39 | <faheem> | vimpulse: not a lot of people use it, though, afaik? |
| 19:39 | <faheem> | faheem: no idea. why are you asking me? :-) |
| 19:39 | <vimpulse> | faheem: I think that many Fedora/CentOS users use it. |
| 19:39 | <faheem> | vimpulse: ^^ |
| 19:39 | <vimpulse> | faheem: is it more than 1? |
| 19:39 | <faheem> | vimpulse: really? |
| 19:40 | <vimpulse> | faheem: if I didn't think so, I wouldn't've said so. |
| 19:40 | <faheem> | re Fedora/Centos system |
| 19:40 | <faheem> | vimpulse: ok, sorry |
| 19:40 | <vimpulse> | faheem: :) |
| 19:40 | <faheem> | anyway, don't understand your question. you are asking about what system? |
| 19:40 | <vimpulse> | faheem: you want to install Linux on your machine and disable "ps" of other users. How many users will use your machine at once? |
| 19:41 | <vimpulse> | faheem: One? Or more than one? |
| 19:41 | <faheem> | vimpulse: you are confusing me with minces :-) |
| 19:41 | <vimpulse> | ah. |
| 19:41 | <vimpulse> | sorry |
| 19:41 | <faheem> | minces is currently minces_out |
| 19:41 | <faheem> | i assume he has left his client running |
| 19:41 | <faheem> | so you could address questions to it/him. |
| 19:42 | <vimpulse> | faheem: you mean him/her :) |
| 19:42 | <faheem> | vimpulse: whatevef |
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| 20:47 | <hachi> | anyone know how to get network-manager on debian (any version) to connect to 3G GPRS/UMTS with a tethered cell phone? |
| 20:47 | <hachi> | I've been looking for docs for this, but can't find any showing how to set it up |
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| 20:53 | <malaka> | test test |
| 20:53 | <vimpulse> | hachi: what is the most recent Google search string you tried? |
| 20:53 | <vimpulse> | malaka: please restrict your testing to #test instead. |
| 20:54 | <vimpulse> | malaka: that way 385 people don't have to receive your message :) |
| 20:54 | <hachi> | 'debian network-manager phone' |
| 20:54 | <hachi> | or 3G |
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| 20:55 | <hachi> | one of those got me to the debian wiki, which had nothing I could see for using it |
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| 20:56 | <malaka> | vimpulse, then why are all the irc configs pointing to this server and channel.. |
| 20:56 | <malaka> | nothing wrong with typing test test |
| 20:56 | <vimpulse> | hachi: try leaving out the word [ debian ]. Also try making some other changes to your search. Like this: [ linux "network manager" OR networkmanager tether OR phone OR cellphone OR "mobile phone" ]. Maybe the document you would like exists, maybe not. If it doesn't, please write one yourself on the wiki :) |
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| 20:57 | <hachi> | ahh |
| 20:57 | <vimpulse> | hachi: do you insist on using network-manager? |
| 20:57 | <hachi> | I see |
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| 20:57 | <hachi> | well, pidgin is compiled to use NM in debian |
| 20:57 | <hachi> | so is firefox |
| 20:57 | <hachi> | and the webkit browser that I have insalled, x-www-browser |
| 20:57 | <hachi> | not even sure if it has a name |
| 20:57 | <hachi> | basically, everything seems to want to use NM in debian |
| 20:58 | <vimpulse> | actually, [ linux "network manager" OR networkmanager tether OR umts OR gprs OR 3g ] might be better. What does NM do? Is its purpose to either dial up the internet or connect to Wi-Fi, whichever you wish? |
| 20:58 | <hachi> | I haven't seen anything else that handles wired DHCP stuff/ wireless WPA yet |
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| 20:59 | <hachi> | in this case, nm is telling the apps that there is a connection up, and that's what's getting in my way |
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| 20:59 | <vimpulse> | malaka: Debian xchat-gnome defaults to here because many xchat users would like Debian support. If you don't want Debian support, please go elsewhere. |
| 20:59 | <hachi> | I use NM for wifi, but if I dial up to UMTS, then none of the apps are aware that I'm connected, and I have to force them to connect EVERY single time |
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| 21:00 | <vimpulse> | hachi: what you need is a way to get those apps not to prompt you to connect, right? |
| 21:01 | <hachi> | that's not the best option I'm after... that's a workaround that I've been using for the last 1.5 years to the fact that I can't find docs or any information on how to set this up |
| 21:02 | <vimpulse> | hachi: ah. Try asking again here, or try asking on the debian users' mailing list, if what you want exists. If nobody replies "yes" on the mailing list, then file a feature request. |
| 21:03 | <hachi> | I know the feature exists, people report bugs against it in the bug trackers |
| 21:03 | <vimpulse> | hachi: maybe ask those people how to use the feature? |
| 21:03 | <hachi> | bug trackers aren't forums, I'm not gonna do that |
| 21:03 | <vimpulse> | hachi: private mail them? |
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| 22:16 | <micmaster> | hi, how to check what ports i have open in shell? |
| 22:16 | <abrotman> | netstat -plunt |
| 22:17 | <micmaster> | ty |
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| 23:02 | <inkbottle> | Hi, first, is there a active irc channel to have general information about what is concerning windowing, X, etc? (I give an example: with new 'lxde', when I launch 'mplayer -fs sth' in a term, sometimes (50% of the time), the mplayer window is behind the one of the term: where can I look for solution to tis kind of questions?) (long... :/ ) |
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| 23:03 | <sney> | inkbottle: erm, you're either looking for lxde support or Xorg support, I guess? |
| 23:04 | <sney> | lxde has #lxde on this network, X has #xorg on irc.freenode.net |
| 23:04 | <inkbottle> | sney, :) |
| 23:04 | <inkbottle> | thanks |
| 23:05 | <inkbottle> | I am on #xorg |
| 23:05 | <inkbottle> | I give a look at lxde right now |
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| 23:34 | <JuNix> | hello, how to debug manpages ? |
| 23:35 | <JuNix> | manpage-has-errors-from-man |
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| 23:36 | <JuNix> | I need fix this manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man8/sshguard.8.gz 145: warning: macro `.' not defined |
| 23:39 | <simonrvn> | look at your source file on that line |
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| 23:41 | <faheem> | JuNix: you'll probably need to gunzip it first. :-) |
| 23:42 | <JuNix> | simonrvn: thanks, how can I see this error ( manpage-has-errors-from-man ), with what command ? |
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| 23:42 | <faheem> | you'll also need to know a little about groff/troff |
| 23:42 | <JuNix> | simonrvn: lintian does not show me |
| 23:42 | <simonrvn> | with a pager/editor ... |
| 23:43 | <simonrvn> | sshguard.8 line 145. that's what that means ... |
| 23:43 | <faheem> | someone mentioned a similar program the other day, wonder what it was |
| 23:43 | <simonrvn> | thus, it *did* show you |
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| 23:43 | <JuNix> | simonrvn: yeah I understand this, but I want to know how debug manpages :) ! |
| 23:43 | <faheem> | blocking brute force attacks... |
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| 23:44 | <simonrvn> | like faheem said, you need to know some *roff |
| 23:44 | <faheem> | JuNix: you could start by pastebinning line 145 :-) |
| 23:44 | <faheem> | maybe someone here knows *roff |
| 23:44 | <JuNix> | faheem: ok |
| 23:44 | <faheem> | you could also try #debian on freenode which is larger |
| 23:44 | <simonrvn> | i bet it's a period that got put on a line by itself or something... |
| 23:45 | <faheem> | actually the few lines around it |
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| 23:45 | <faheem> | and mark the one with error |
| 23:45 | <simonrvn> | yes, please, a bit of context lines too |
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| 23:46 | <JuNix> | line 145: .\" |
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| 23:46 | <Pupuser402> | hi. what's the current version of libc in debian ? |
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| 23:47 | <simonrvn> | JuNix: pastebin some context lines including the error ... |
| 23:47 | <simonrvn> | JuNix: 1 or 2 lines above and below the line with the error |
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| 23:47 | <faheem> | Pupuser402: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 23:47 | <Pupuser402> | faheem: sorry? |
| 23:47 | <faheem> | i think the bot will also tell you |
| 23:48 | <faheem> | Pupuser402: i thought you wanted the version of libc |
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| 23:48 | <Pupuser402> | i'm not on a debian system. i'm just asking |
| 23:48 | <simonrvn> | !pdo |
| 23:48 | <dpkg> | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 23:48 | <faheem> | Pupuser402: oh, ok |
| 23:48 | <JuNix> | ok thanks :D |
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| 23:56 | -!- | hazard2 [~hazard@smi28-129-63-28-61.dhcp.uml.edu] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] |
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